Run dual battery on Lectric XP part 2
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Here is how to route wiring on your Lectric and run dual batteries simultaneously.
No on off switches and no stopping to swap out batteries.
Increase range.
Check out this link on how to mount your battery on the center beam on top of the stock battery. / 3283599485299140
If you need a harness made for a small fee shoot me an email @ Dnxservo@gmail.com
The Polar Bear blender is also a good option. I am now running it with good results. They also sell one with two outputs so you can run two controllers if you want to upgrade and run 2 motors.
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Bolton E-bikes parallel connector is out of stock for 3-4 months. I am now running the Electromotive FBC device which I highly recommend. Its Made in USA and works great. It takes Xt60 connectors instead of XT90s. Everything else is just like the videos. Airflow is important on the FBC. Here is a link to Electromotive Mods. You'll need the 50Amp dual. I do not get a commission but please tell him I recommended you.
www.electromotivemods.com/sho...
Dual battery parallel connector: area13ebikes.com/products/dua...
For links on what to purchase for a true plug and play setup without soldering watch my first video and links will be under the video description.
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Industrial automation and robotic servo motor repair
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Any time you would with multiple wire like this the best thing to do is number label them just in case they come apart. 😊
This is awesome I've been wanting to learn how to add another battery onto my e-bike
These are the best two videos on the subject. Thanks!
Thank you!
I loved both of your videos and am extremely interested in possibly pursuing a mod like this. Thanks for the information and looking forward to your next video.
Thanks Roy. Will be making more soon just need to find free time. I've been really busy with my servo motor repair business. But more are coming.
This is a great video for only your second ever made!
Thank you!!
Nice informative video Juan! Thanks
I have been researching this for some time and this is by far the best video I have seen on adding a second battery in parallel to the Lectric XP. Thank you!
Thank you Dana!
I think you've made a fabulous video. I especially appreciate your tips for the inexperienced, like be careful not to pinch and don't force it. I also appreciate that you showed the reinstall instead of assuming the viewer will remember. Thoughtfully done. Thanks!
Very easy to understand - thanks.
This is awesome. I have a "Biocycle Rhonda" and it looks very similar as it folds and uses a reention battery system
I had an xp sold it but now I have scrambler “ I’m using an aftermarket Walmart battery for it , working fine now juice have lowered the price of their new stock battery I’m going to run it parallel. Nice video
Your doing a great job Thank you so much excellent
I like your style good teacher .
Thank you! It's my first video but I'll get better. If you have any questions please feel free. I will have another video up soon with a different device that is much smaller and can easily fit in the compartment along with the controller. Happy riding!!
Thank you Juan. I think I’m going to do this to my XP. 👍👏
Good luck. If you don't have the Bolton E-bikes parallel connector it's out of stock for 3-4 months. I have found a great substitute and it's made in Arizona USA. I'm running it in my bike now. The only difference is it takes Xt60 connectors instead of XT90. Everything else is just like the videos. Here is the link.
www.electromotivemods.com/shop/p/s1fmuuaawo86hdw5gduhknspnoks37
Thank you Juan. Which one should I get. There’s 4 or 5 listed.
@@georgeharvey3062 50Amp dual is good enough for Lectric. I don't think he has blemished ones in stock which are $60 so the $80 dual 50Amp will do. But if he does have a $60 blemished one then go for that one. It'll just be a small imperfection but he gives you warranty.
@@georgeharvey3062 I don't get a commission but in the comments let him know I recommended you. TIA
Stellar Job! Juan, thank you. 😁👍
Thank you for watching!!
@@juanescorza2984 l build gasoline powered bikes. My 2.0 is my sweetheart bike. I have done some work to mine. Saddletramp1200 on youtube.
@@Saddletramp1200 awesome I'll check them out.
Good job
Subscribed! Epic dude!
Juan,
You should consider commercializing this modification. Consider what the kit would cost, what battery you recommend along with the adapter module and set a price. You may be pleasantly surprised with the response you get.
Thank you John. That was a thought to be honest with you. I now run an industrial servo motor repair business and it takes a lot of my time. I just did this to help the e-bike community. I love motivational comments like yours. I might just pursue it.
@@juanescorza2984 please make this kit and I will buy it. Please
@@xquan416 If you purchase your battery I can provide everything else for you. Shoot me an email @ dnxservo@gmail.com
Wow !!! Dam !!!! I already order the long rang battery from Lectric :(
I enjoyed both of your videos it was very informative to learn and I'm just about ready to approach the setup finally got all my cables, parallel connector, and the case for the external battery. My question to you I purchased an additional toggle switch for the rear battery it wouldn't hurt to add it on? Please advise again great job on the helpful videos. Thanks, Dan
Thank you. Adding a toggle switch won't hurt anything but you don't need one. Adding a toggle switch will also add more clutter to your bike. If you ever need to remove the second battery you can just unplug it from the parallel connector and run the single stock battery. The parallel battery blender can run just one battery without issues. I do recommend running both batteries simultaneously. It will maximize your overall range even more vs running them single. The distribution of available power will be shared by more than twice as many cells. This will stress your cells less extending the overall battery pack lifecycle. You will also notice your bike a little more powerful at takeoff and struggle less on hills. You're going to love the way your bike performs running dual batteries. When you charge your batteries you can leave your ignition key on and everything plugged in. Just charge them without any worries.
I appreciate the quick reply back. As soon as I finish the installation, I'll let you know how it went. By the way, when you usually do your charging, do you leave the batteries on the bike and charge them on the bike? That's a personal preference? I did receive another charger when I purchased the external. Thanks again
@@dlet90210 I always leave then on the bike and plugged in. I also have the key in the "ON" position. I just plug the chargers to each battery at the same time and let them charge. If for some reason the batteries are not finished charging and I have to ride I just ride. The parallel connector takes care of balancing the different state of charge from both batteries.
I have added two batteries to my 1.0 and 2.0. I have mine connected to I use one battery at a time. Both batteries have their own key. When the XP battery dies I then turn on the key to the second battery. Works the same as your idea but uses two keys.
That's awesome. There is added benefits in running them simultaneously over individually. Your distribution of power will be shared by more than twice the cells vs running single batteries. This stresses the cells a lot less and extends the overall life expectancy of your batteries. It also increases your overall range over running them individually.. You will also have a lot less voltage sag and will experience quicker acceleration, more available power specially going up hills. Your bike will feel stronger.
@@juanescorza2984 I thought about doing that, but I like to see what each battery is doing by itself. I know the new XP Premium has a dual battery which does what you showed. I have the new XP Premium bike on the order because I like the mid-drive motor versus the rear hub motor.
@@rolandgadue4351 Congratulations on your purchase. I hope you enjoy the XPremium it looks very nice.
make more sense than trying to stuff the balancer into the battery compartment!!
You cannot fit any blender into the battery compartment there's just not enough space. The "controller" compartment does have enough space for some balancers like Date-X blender or the cheaper Amazon blender but the Bolton blender does not fit into the regular XP but maybe it will on the ST. Some blenders like Electromotive Mods FBC which I am using now need airflow for cooling therefore not recommended to be inside the compartment without airflow.
Thank you Juan. Very helpful. I wonder if there are any external batteries that also have USB ports for keeping your cell phone charged. That would be so helpful.
Thank you! Yes there's plenty in the market with USB charging port. If I was to buy another battery I would go for this 19Ah. I've never owned one so can't review on it's quality.
Joyisi 36V 48V 52V Ebike Battery 10Ah/13Ah/15Ah/19Ah Ebike Lithium Battery for 250W 500W 750W 1000W 1500W Electric Bicycles Motor and Bike Motor Conversion Kit a.co/d/8d3S36Y
I have also mounted my battery on the center beam on top of the stock battery. Check out this link to see how I did it.
m.facebook.com/groups/3281545675504521/permalink/3283599485299140/
So I have the xp 3.0 and it doesn’t have the same battery or plate as your 2.0 and it’s only 9.6 ah.. I think that’s interesting as now I have to replace it… how does this happen? Did they originally have the old batteries in the 3.0?
That`s great Juan . What are your thoughts on simply strapping a second battery 48 volt , 10 to 15 Mah with a 5mm plug to the charging port to keep the Primary battery charged for extended range ? Would be like a charger while running , would it need to be stepped down to 2 amp like the charger and how? Keep sharing your ideas , you`re now our group electrical Guru expert !!
Thanks Chris. I just answered you question on Facebook.
So it can be done easily. It acts like a booster. It should extend your range X2. Good luck.
You don't have to open anything. I put male spade connectors on the terminals that are inside when the bike is unfolded. You have to do the polarity correctly. There are fat tabs, so the spade connectors have to be bent up slightly. There are 5 tabs on mine, but only two carry power, plus and minus. I have big batteries, and I really dislike the key on the XP bettery. I just run one big battery that sits in a bike bag, in back. So, two spade connectors to an XT 60 female, run it out through existing hole on the side. Watch the wiring as you fold it back out for riding.
I appreciate the look at the inside of the controller side of things. Weird they use a T connector in there. I could hook a T connector to my XT60 and run the XT outside. I can see several ways to do things, with and without the OEM pack. I don't want to parallel different batteries. I've hacked the XP battery, outside the bike, with fat tabs I made to plus into the end. I'll probably take it apart, but I ran capacity tests with a watt hour meter. I really do not like that key hanging down, and removing the battery is kind of nasty.
What brand/size of external battery?
Can you provide any pictures of this wiring, please?
Juan - Can you tell me if this operates the same as the Electric All Wheel dual battery unit or differently?
Yes. Matthew @ EAW got the idea from these videos. The only difference is the battery discharge balancer they use. You have to stick with a 48V 2nd battery. All else is basically the same. Their kit is plug and play and no need to fabricate your wiring. Good luck.
I can bike for some while until battery teach 3 out of 5 bars, and if i use assistant 2 of 3 up a road, power cuts. It turns back on after some while and then it shuts down again and battery is completely dead. Got any tips?
You do not need that big connection box. That is why he has to mount it outside the bike. With just a wire "Y" connector, you can leave it in the frame and just run the wire for the rear battery outside the frame.
That was my setup at first but I would sometimes forget about my stock battery key being in the "ON" position and ride. I couldn't just flip the key back on in the middle of my trip due to batteries not being balanced. I would have to wait to charge both batteries independently to balanced then back up. This gave me piece of mind and now If I forget my stock battery not being in the "ON" position in the middle of my ride I can just flip it back on without a y potential issues.
*not being in the on position*
great presentation, which battery would you recommend to use as a second one? it seems pretty difficult to adapt the back rack to it
A lot of people are running the CAO MM 20Ah battery from eBay with good reviews. They store it inside a rear rack bag. And if you run a battery like mine it was actually very simple to mount. I will soon mount it on the front beam on top of the stock battery. Just have to figure out how.
Juan can you update us how you mounted the second battery on top of original battery/ front beam. Thank you!
@@R0BUSTTV take a look at this FB post. Read my comments under "Guarav Joshi" comment. On those comments I have an explanation and pictures. facebook.com/groups/electricbikeriders/permalink/1234978757244582/
Looks like you did the same thing as me covering the "Lectric" name while leaving the striping.
Use video editor Davinci Resolve. There is a free version that is perfect. I just started using it with the ATEM Mini Extreme ISO (which is how I found out about the software). Today I edited my first clip. There are many videos on how to use the software.
Thanks Dennis. I appreciate you.
How do get the wire fro the 2 battery
Great presentation. Is this setup for using or draining the main battery first, then using the second battery on the rack for distance? If so, Is there a switch to change the batteries?
This setup is used to use both batteries at the same time. You will drain both batteries simultaneously causing less stress on batteries and increasing your range even more than running them separate. The batteries can have different state of charge. This setup will use the power from the battery with more charge first until both batteries even out then it will use power from both.
Hi there I’m relatively new to the scene. I have an 2.0 and I’m considering doing this in the future. But I wanted to know if the same technique can work on the letric Lite as I might get that one since it fits my weight and height more. Thank you in advance
Yes it will work on the Lite and any bike. You just have to use the right connectors for the controller, 2nd battery and blending device you'll be using. Blending devices I recommend are Electromotive Mods FBC and I am now running Polar bear blending device. These device helps increase my range a couple more miles vs Electromotive Mods FBC. . Here is the
link. facebook.com/marketplace/item/1009541233241252/
Either blending device you decide on using please let them know I recommended you. I don't get a commission. I just like to help small American businesses.
@@juanescorza2984 what 2nd battery do you recommend for the lite ? Another 300watt?
@@humbertoreza4200 the watt rating is just for what the battery can handle. You can go with a 2000W battery if you wish. The Ah which is the capacity matters for range. The higher the Ah rating the more range you'll get. So being a Lite where did you want to mount you're spare battery? Check this link out to show you where I mounted my battery. facebook.com/groups/3281545675504521/permalink/3283599485299140/
If this is the way you'll go then you'll have to measure the length of the center beam on top of your stock battery to find one that will fit and still have enough clearance to fold and allow the stem to turn freely due the folding latch. If you will carry it in the rear rack than for the price the 48V CAO MM 20AH battery from eBay is very popular. Determining where you'll mount the battery will determine what type of battery is best.
@@juanescorza2984 awesome thank you so much for the information. Your a beast at this. I appreciate it
Whare is i can buy connector batteray to controller ?
Silicone wire, Deans wire is best IMO.... high strand count, high conductivity very flexible... electric grease non-conductive just about any automotive store, using the batteries in Parallel ( both at the same time ) will make it easier on your batteries, they wont heat up as much on discharge... Liquid electrical tape, be careful using it, stains everything, do not use around children or pets...
Agree!
Thanks for posting! Are you in NYC? Do you have an IG?
Hi Kate. I'm in TX. My IG is i.will.fix.it
Question. Can you parallel batteries with different Amp hours?
Yeas absolutely. Capacity doesn't matter. You can add a 50Ah if you want. Just make sure they are both 48v.
Send me a link where you bought that battery from.
I actually bought it new from eBay for $185.00. I got really lucky. The seller received two batteries by mistake with her bike from HPC and they told her to keep it so she decided to sell it.
hpcbikes.com/products/48v-14-ah-usa-made-high-performance-hard-case-battery-system
what are them circle holders for on your bars
I use them for my Tactacam 5.0 and my COAST HP7R flashlight . Here is a link to them. COSOOS 2 Pack Flashlight Mount Holder, Universal Bicycle Led Light Mounting Holder 360° Rotation Clip Clamp for Flashlight, Cycling, Riding a.co/d/bcwd3Gh
Excellent and thanks! But, how to connect a second battery with similar to or the same as the original Lectric XP Battery connector?
You want to run a Lectric XP spare battery? You'd have to make a box similar to Sonny Whitehurst. Here is the link to his video.
ua-cam.com/video/hIS3FRVQHXc/v-deo.html
Thanks Jaun....A big help with your extremely helpful videos!
@@tedmallen3139 No worries. If you have any further questions you can always reach out. My email is under video description.
@@juanescorza2984 Thank you, Juan. I have noted and will stay in touch. And I really appreciate the huge help and info you have provided.
Do you need 2 battery chargers,or with the original charger on the bike charge both batteries?
Thanks
You have to charge batteries independently.
@@juanescorza2984 can you charge each separately in the bike? I know original can but can the extra one be charged with the stock charger while connected to the bike?
@@mikevr29 if you use Bolton device or Electromotive Mods FBC you'll have to charge then independently. You can use Date-x2 device which offers one with a charging option so you can charge them together.
Great video. What is the total cost for this modification including the extra battery?
It all depends what battery you get. Most people are using CAO MM 20Ah battery which costs around $300. Bolton ebikes parallel connector is $60.00 but they are out of stock. You can use Date-x2 but it's over $100.00 and ships from UK. I just came across another device called FBC from Electromotive Mods @90.00 made in USA . I will have a video a video on that device soon. I just have to install and test before I can recommend. Connectors will be around $30.00 for a plug and play setup.
@@juanescorza2984 Thanks very much!
What happens once it start raining will that affect the battery
It depends what battery you'll use. The battery I'm using is IP-65 rated. It should be ok with rain. Most people use CAO MM 20ah batteries and store then in a waterproof bag on mounted on the rear rack. I wouldn't recommend riding the bike in heavy rain or deep puddles anyway. The motor on Lectric is not rated IP-65 like Lectric claims.
I need to do this and where do I get the new wire that I need to get a new battery
I used 14AWG stranded wire. I usually order rolls of wire for my business through Mouser Electronics. I'm not sure but Home Depot/Lowes should carry it. Most home extension cords or appliances use 14AWG wire so if you have some laying around you can repurpose the wire.
Ok
@@juanescorza2984 can you send me some if you can please and how much will you charge me
Hi Juan
Could you please add a link where to buy the battery?
Thanks!
Anyone know how to run one of these without the key hanging out of the bottom?
OK, the way this is wired the bike would still power up with the key removed. Could you add a relay using the original battery leads as the trigger to switch the second battery off/on with the key?
Yes you can but I don't see it necessary. I always leave the key on the on position anyways. And yes the way it's wired the display will always turn on. If you happen to forget to turn your key to the "ON" position and somehow ride depleting one battery, it's totally safe to just flip the key to the "on' position. The parallel connector is designed to stabilize the batteries. One can be 50% charged and the other can be fully charged and the parallel connector will do it's job by using power from the fully charged battery until they are both balanced then use power from both. Totally safe without a relay.
@@juanescorza2984 I'm thinking more for anti-theft reasons.
@@briansterken6269 I didnt even think of that, your absolutely right . But if someone is going to steal it, they can always pedal away. Not that quick but they can. I just saw a video talking about E-bike thefts in NY being on the rise.
If they want mine, they're going to work for it. It's true all you can do is keep honest people honest but if you make it more work there's a chance they move on.
@@briansterken6269 I use two good locks on mine. And try not to loose sight of it. I live next to a border town and my bike can easily end up across the border in less than 20 minutes.
Where can I get a hold on these components
Hi Luis . Most of the links for components will under video description on this link ua-cam.com/video/Bycmpm1ZzSM/v-deo.html Connectors from Amazon or eBay.
Hey, Juan can I use a different type of battery.
The battery composition and voltage need to be the same so you have to use a 48v lithium ion battery. The capacity(Ah) can be whatever is available ex. 14Ah, 17Ah, 20Ah or higher.
Is there a limiter wire on these controllers?
There's a limiter on your bike controller. There's no limiter on the battery blender. Bolton E-bikes parallel battery blender can handle up to 30amps but does not limit the amps. Amps are limited by bike controller. Electromotive FBC can handle 50amps or they have an option for a 90amp one.
@@juanescorza2984 thx a lot😎😎😎
Bro I bought one of these bikes last week I see a lot of people off roading with this bike. I went down a low level trail and blew out the back tire thought it was weird that this happened. Have you heard of this?
The tire bead came off the rim? Or you just got a flat? If the tire bead came off the rim. Make sure you have good air pressure and tire is seated good all the way around. Also maybe going with a 20x4 inner tube if you don't have it already. The 20x3 inner tube seems a little too narrow and I see that possibly being a problem. Has never happened to me and I do go through some rough gravel roads sometimes.
How much range do you get now?
I'm at 45-50 miles on PAS-3 and PAS-4 bursts. I used to only get around 16 miles with the same riding style on stock 10.4Ah battery. My setup now is stock 10Ah + 14Ah second battery.
I haven't tested yet on PAS-2 only but I'm sure I'll be well over 65 miles. Also I haven't tested to dead batteries yet. 45-50 miles range down to 47V and then I recharge batteries. I don't like to drain then too low.
@@danimayb it was a very surprising boost in range. I was not expecting that much the way I ride. The battery I am using is from HPC bikes in California and it's top quality. It retails for $999.00. I got lucky and paid $185 on eBay new.
OO OO OO. I have a question. Mr. Kotter! OO OO OO OO. Mr. Kotter!
Say I wanted to add a front wheel hub motor kit. Is there a way to get both motors to work off of one controller and one battery? Find a controller and battery for a 3000W set up, then run 2 1500W motors off of it?
How much you charge?
How are you? Please send me an email to discuss your setup. DNXServo@gmail.com
Is there anyone in the New York, long Island area willing to help me upgrade lectric xp 2.0? Just assembling everything, i can purchase my own parts!
I can help. You'll just have to tell me what battery you'll be using, where will you mount it? And what model do you have? My email is Dnxservo@gmail.com contact me there.
I need all the parts I need to do this
What is error code 008 ??
Throttle error. Check you cable to throttle and all connections to throttle.
Thank you 🙏
Can you run 3 batteries !!?!!
Absolutely. You can run up to 4 batteries. You would need 50amp quad FBC from Electromotive Mods. Here is the link.
www.electromotivemods.com/shop/p/s1fmuuaawo86hdw5gduhknspnoks37
@@juanescorza2984 one last question! Does your bike’s acceleration and top speed also increase?? Is that something you change In the settings to go faster??
@@rocrocky1668 You will experience quicker acceleration and more available power at all times specially going uphills. It will not make your bike faster. Top speed is limited to 28mph with PAS-5 and class three unlocked. Top speed is limited by controller which controls watts and amps delivered to motor.
You will also experience a lot less voltage sag.
And war I can get it
The battery or what are you asking. Under the video description I have links for the parallel connector and connectors. As for a battery you can use any battery of your choice. A lot of people use CAO MM 20Ah battery from eBay.
@@juanescorza2984 I. Need the parts that I seen in your video
@@jeffcobia8983 area13ebikes.com/products/dual-battery-parallel-connector
AUTOUTLET 10 Pairs XT90 XT-90 Male Female Bullet Connectors Power Plugs with 20Paris Heat Shrink Tube for RC Lipo Battery/Car/Boat www.amazon.com/dp/B08MWC8BDN/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_E4JMWDGA5WSDHA4NNN4E
Hobbypark 10 Pairs T-Plug Connectors Male & Female Deans Style w/Shrink Tubing for RC LiPo Battery Pack ESC Electric Engine Motor Parts www.amazon.com/dp/B01C8NWJ78/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_8KR95P7EX8VF1W16RAAW
@@jeffcobia8983 I can make you the harnesses. You just have to purchase the parallel connector and the battery of you choice.
@@juanescorza2984 ok when can you send me the parts
Save your money it does not fit and if you try to force it, it will screw up wires then when you contact the company he becomes a smart Alec and makes you pay to ship it back, so nothing works and you’re out 30 bucks
You are right m. It does not fit inside the controller compartment. It’s also not recommended to install it inside the compartment. The blender needs airflow for cooling. I recommend you install it where there’s airflow. Not inside the controller compartment.
If you can help me get it I'll pay you
I have a 750 motor with a 48 volt 13AH battery. Will a 54 or 58 volt 13AH battery work and will it go faster.
It all depends on the controller you are using and its limits. For example my stock controller on my Lectric is rated at 48V which means I need a 48v battery. A 48v battery fully charged is 54.6v. I opened up the controller and read the specifications on the internal components which most if not all read 60v. I do run a 52v battery with stock components on my Lectric without issues because a 52v battery fully charged does not exceed 60v. I couldn’t run a 72v battery because I would exceed the 60v rating on my controller components which would burn them out.
@juanescorza2984 thank you very much I appreciate the information. Thanks for your help