How to turn your E-bike into a hill climbing beast. Dual motor Lectric Xp. No more range anxiety.
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2021
- #lectricxp #upgrade #ebikevlog #urbangrizzly
In this video I show you how to turn your ebike into a torque monster and get rid of range anxiety. Upgrade at your own risk.
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I just completed this upgrade last night (actually at 3AM this morning LOL). ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!! I truly appreciate your video for passing the idea and know-how to do this mod. Thank you very much!
Niiice, no problem! I haven't had any issues with this upgrade, just a good time👍🏾
I have had my XP for a week now, you were right the bigger hills are challenging to get up.
This is a nice setup, once I get bored with mine I might copy you.
The bike is a beast now, it gets up to speed pretty quick now.
@@urbangrizzly3709 I've got the EAhora 7 ebike. I had the same problem with not enough power for the steep hills. I installed an AW hub kit off Amazon with a 1000 watts. Now this bike will literally climb any hill. Best money spent.
@@phillee8257 best upgrade hands down, its a new bike now.
This is awesome Grizz !!! ✊ Great way to start my morning checking this out.
Cheers to you Mike 🍻
The joint is a beast now. You got the fastest XP on UA-cam 💪🏽
A guy in New York had one awhile back, he had the 3000w cyclone direct drive on his! If he's retired I might be #1 😆. I'll send you the link.
@@urbangrizzly3709 you know what I might’ve watched that already. I think he took it off his Lectric. I haven’t seen post anything since. You might have the crown.
@@DavidBrandNew he ended up upgrading to a new faster bike. My wife wants to upgrade now so I might end up with a higher voltage battery we'll see
@@urbangrizzly3709 nice! After watching your video I think imma upgrade mine.
@@DavidBrandNew Its a whole new bike now, that kit changed the game!
This is going to be a Hill Climbing BEAST. Good video.
Love your video!
Thanks for sharing this video!
Can’t wait for the next video!
Good upgrade Grizzly! Gotta see these test!
Stay tuned!
Just got my kit and battery in the mail. Now just waiting for a day to get it together
Cool and easy to do. Thank you dude for sharing. 👍😎👍
This is really cool might do it to my GFs XP to keep up with my sur ron better. Great job!👍
Dope! It’s a tank now, crazy torque
The town car in the garage made my day.
Great job my brother fantastic job wow that look beastly.
💪🏾👊🏾
Can’t wait for next video
Really well done video here.
Looks like a solid upgrade 👍
Its a whole new bike now
This is Dope 👍🏾
I was going to add a battery to my XP until I saw your FWD video here. Now I'm convinced to go this route instead. I just need to know exactly how to configure the throttle. I'm fine with pedal assist to rear only. Great job.
Since this video I installed a second throttle, the right throttle controls the front and left throttle controls the rear.
Nice thanks !! Great job !!!! Im upgrading mine today !! in a different way. My son is getting my Duel battery lectric Xp ..... My upgrade is a new Lancer aka Eunarou fat HS Duel battery 19" IT COMES
TODAY !!! Im stoked !!!!! I would love to ride w/you grizzz.
Nice! Are you doing a video on your new bike? Maybe one day can format a group ride 👊🏾
@@urbangrizzly3709 I suc at vids ...Hehehe .. So no, no vids. Ill post some of me in mid air on fb !!!! Its usually nice in Wichita ks w/a 50 degree average today- but we have freezing weather ..Id love to ride with ya !!!
Make sure to set the speed controller to highest speed setting. Most controllers have 3 speeds & the preset is the middle speed. Look for the plug labelled speed setting it should have 3 wires. Usually black in middle with a brown & blue/purple. The blue needs connecting to the black to enable highest speed.
I gotta look more into this, good info👍🏾
@@urbangrizzly3709 Another tip, If your controller is one with just the 2 white wires for the speed limiter then you need to go inside the controller to enable high speed. The white wires toggle between low & mid. The high speed jumper wire is missing so you will need to solder one on the board. Look for the pad labled K2 or high speed. K1 is low speed 👍
@@urbangrizzly3709 How is the bike since? I notice the back is a gear hub and the front a gearless hub. How do they work together and is there an off sync or rotation at times of both being used? That is where Im at of the thought of 2 different hubs being one with gears( too much stress on certain gear will damage but you can replace )
@@user619tlsdca5 Still runs fine, no stress on either motor as they help each other when both are running.
I will be copying your Lectic upgrade on my xp 2.0 just waiting for the parts. My question is what seat is that and where do I get one?
I wish the front hub was as clean looking as the rear hub drive motor. But hey it’s just the manufacturer style. Nice set up!
There we go!
Urban Grizzly don't know why I never found you before. What a fantastic idea this is! You don't need the pedal assist. Gonna see if you made the hill climbing video yet!
Oh yeah hills are no problem on this thing now.
damn, am checking every day to see the next video of this newly re birthed 1500 watt monster bike :)....soon please!
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Nice conversion. Just so everyone knows
Watts=amps x voltage
Therefore a 1000 watt motor will need a 48v battery with a 20amp controller minimum to get to the 1000w motor rating. Everyone overlooks this. 99% of bike manufacturers do not tell you what amperage their controllers are rated for. Then you have 2 different controller ratings
Continuous and peak to confuse you further lol.
I want to do this with the xp lite but hope it’s not going to be hard to find right front size wheel?
as soon as i can find a 48v 20ah battery in stock youll start to see me at those meet ups XDDD
Hey brother I am a new subscriber and waiting on my XP for delivery now but I am a big guy and I think I'm going to want more power so I am excited to see your video showing off how well this conversion went. Question can't you in the controls switch the XP to a class 3 bike which UPS the power and does not require pedal assist? That is my understanding is there is a way to change it, of course it eats up more battery but I ordered an extra battery and will carry the extra one in my backpack to keep it nice and warm and ready to roll. Looking forward to your next video bro.
Glad you're enjoying the content, you can turn the bike into a class 3 by changing the settings on the display. If you find that hills are a problem this mod is for you, instead of buying a whole new bike. Glad you're enjoying the content.
Been Grizzly, looking forward to the video of this one on the roads. I am jealous, wanting a 2x2!
You're gonna see real world performance from the bike coming soon, its niiice.
hey grizzly. do you lose a lot of top end not connecting the PAS sensor to the front tire controller? i saw a youtube video of wiring 2 controllers and all you need to do is tie the yellow wire only from the existing sensor to the new controller and it should work.
I like it THATS dope does the bike go faster then 28mphs???
That's an hell of a power upgrade. I need to go ahead and break down and get seat like yours. Even the new el cheapo seat I bought kills my butt. Can't wait to see that thing in action. Bike super heavy now I'm sure.
The bike gained a few for sure but it was worth it for torque and range. Definitely gotta get that saddle right mane 😆. Can't be out here on long trips with the tender back side.
@@urbangrizzly3709 mannnn... you ain't ever lying. I was thinking about adding an auxiliary battery. Never considered another motor though. Can you still hop curbs ok with the heavier front hub?
@@StrillLife i can but I try to avoid it when I can.
@@urbangrizzly3709 yeah I figured as much. Lol. Me too with the stock setup but sometimes I have to because of traffic or just uneven sidewalks.
Sorry if I missed it, what’s the all-in cost of the kit and battery?
I'm sold!
Nice mod! I'm doing a similar upgrade to a 26" beach cruiser bicycle. Nice to meet you! I'm Glenn. New sub :)
Looking forward to the lectric xp 2.0 step through, I would like a ftont wheel drive but the 3" tires?
Great idea 💡👍🏼👏 Quick Question is the front hub also a freewheel so you can ride with just the back wheel? Thx
Yeah the front is a freewheel and you can use rear the rear hub motor independently.
Beast mode , like a boss , easy and straightforward well made video … fire 🔥
Maybe this a crazy question.
Looking for a 16” wheel conversion kit ,
Trying to build a mini beast my joint goes straight 19 -20 mph full throttle rear motor
Any ideas ? Appreciated it in advance
Hi bro so you don't need to install the break levers do you so it's just controller and battery you using from that pack
Does this work for the XP 2.0 given the smaller tires??
I watched your group tide video first snd kept wondering how you did that mid. Now I found this one. It’s easier than I thought. Anything you would do different now that it’s been a while? cuz I’m thinking of doin this too. Thanks for the how to vid.
Wouldn't do anything different only because I still ride that bike and still haven't had any real issues other than flats. Maybe just grab some bmx bars.
Thanks for the video! I’m going to install this on my Lectric ASAP. I’ve got like 3 miles of hills I have to go through when I get back home.
Hills will be a thing of the past 👊🏾
@@urbangrizzly3709 exactly! Question for you, since the front motor came with a thumb throttle, can you control the power you give it or does it just give 100% power when you push the red button?
@@FrankiesWorld It comes with a half twist throttle and its easy to modulate. The red button is just the power on/ off button.
@@urbangrizzly3709 hell yeah! Thanks bro. I just have to wait, the eBay seller has none in stock right now.
@@FrankiesWorld there are other vendors on eBay that sell the kit and battery for around the same price. Just make sure they're shipping out of the US if you want it fast.
What is the model name and brand for that saddle ?
Looks so comfortable for my big ass
Urban Griz how is the torque now with the additional front Hub motor? I’m thinking it must be a beast for climbing hills now. Great job and thank you for taking the time to video. 👍
Good torque, hills are easy and range anxiety goes away.
Just finished the front wheel motor install. Oh yeah. Crazy acceleration. My question is about a thumb throttle for the left to operate the rear motor. Is there one out there that is wired correctly with the plug needed or is it a splice job? I don't want to use the existing throttle upside down. Or are you still running it backwards?
Yeah one throttle up and one down
I want to use my XP for Uber eats and door dash but range has always been a concern of mine, but this looks like it could really stretch your range! I'll be trying this
I did doordash for months with this setup, it gets the job done 👍🏾
Dude, you need a work bench! Gonna scratch up your car 🚘
I was thinking the same. At least put a blanket over the trunk. Nice Lincoln 👍
Do you get more speed with just throttle now
can i swap my 20x3 tire on that hub?
Now I'm gonna have to get out my wallet and start shopping for an upgrade. Can't wait to see the ride video. Too bad we're not closer, I'd film for ya!
That woulda been dope! This upgrade so far is money well spent 👍🏽
Did you have to buy new rotors?
Stock is 160mm, new hub motor states 180mm. I'm confused by this.
Great update and video! What type of seat is that? Looks pretty comfortable 😉
YLG bike seat from Amazon.
Im totally doing this! The battery you suggested is out of stock, any other recommendations?
Super dope man. I wonder if I can do a setup like this with the mid drive bbshd motor 🤔
It can be done, somebody did it with a 3000w cyclone mid drive.
Have you obtained a new controller? You use the supplied throttle? But it turns UPWARDS right? Can one get a left side thumb throttle or is wiring and other features an issue? Battery to controller requires splice/crimp? Any issues/danger? Thanks Griz
I have another controller but am avoiding installing it because of splicing, might save it for a future project. You can get a left thumb throttle but not sure about the twist throttle for the left side that won't twist upwards.
Hi, great vid buddy. The throttle that you're showing at the end of the vid is that the new one or the xp? And how did you hook up both throttle together? Not sure im getting this. Are u cancelling the xp motor all together or are u using them at the same time?
The rear runs on PAS only, the front runs throttle only. Both throttles are connected, the one dangling is the xp throttle. I'll post a follow up video for clarity.
@@urbangrizzly3709 ok thanks that makes more sense now!
Yes Sir I See You..Told You I’ll Be The 1st To Pop Out💯
My guy!💪🏾
Have you had this happen: Cruising with front throttle and pedaling on PAS 5 then coast and resume pedaling ONLY and it doesn't kick in until going slow. Wondering if I'm doing harm to the rear motor by using both or something else.
Happens a lot when I roll aggressive
The kit isn’t available? The link doesn’t work.
Great video! What brand/style seat is yours? Looks comfortable
YLG from Amazon
Nice work, that should get you up the hills! Ride safe and stay out of trouble as your bike is technically no longer an ebike legal for road use. The illegality is inconspicuous thus doubtful you will be hassled, but you want to stay clear of any incidents/accidents/liabilities.
Like you, my cars are also being neglected since I got my Zooz last August. I have been converted, and I'll never buy internal combustion engine again, but I am seriously considering purchase of the new Black Tea electric motorbike, and as soon as Tesla or someone makes an electric van with solar roof and retractable solar wings/awnings, I will be AMPed to buy it!
Keep up the good content!
Still tops out at 28mph (until my new controller arrives). Its a new bike now tho.
The black tea bike is clean too, what's the price?
@@urbangrizzly3709 Black Tea is currently about $3700 for delivery in June-ish. Unlike many comparables, designers seem committed to ensuring street legality of the bike.
Can you provide the name of the companies you used since the links no longer work please thx.
I plan on doing this at some point a few things.Do you need torque arms--I see videos on them--but I do not see how this motor could produce enough torque to bend or break the forks--especially since most ebikes are also for off road use and videos of folks jumping them pretty far?. The other thing--I also plan on throttle only--is it feasible to just cut all the wires from the controller that you are not using to clean it up.
I recommend torque arms to help prevent the tire from coming loose. I don't have any but I keep a small wrench just in case.
You could cut them or just use a zip tie.
@@urbangrizzly3709 All good--one thing--I would put some foam in between the controller and battery.My battery actually came inside 2 pieces of foam and I can set the battery in the foam compartment--then bag--then put the controller on top of another piece of foam--that way they are cushioned and seperated and since the controller is on top and I do not plan on riding in the rain if I can help it--I can unzip the bag a little so the controller gets a breeze to stay cool.I am also using spring lever connectors to attach the battery to controller--should check them out--no soledring--just strip the end wires and it plugs and plays. Also the spring connectors can not catch fire--they can melt at 150 plus amps--5 times what these bikes can even produce--but are unable to catch fire--someone blowtorched them also to test them.
Dope
Whose car is that you're using as a workbench, hopefully, yours?
Has there been any issues since its been over a year now? My concern would be over heating the battery and controller since they are enclosed.
No issues, still riding that bike to this day.
Brooo I had this bike for a while first thing I thought was to do this
Did u have to change connectors for the battery or speed control
No, everything was plug and play.
Cool
I have the 2.0 and also the 3.0 they both need power up grades can I send my bikes to you for upgrades? Moneys is no problem!
What's total range miles if u use both front and rear throttle only? Or how many miles total if using up one and the. Using the other? Is it muh stronger going up hills now and is the mph still the same on flat level 28mph? Or more?
I've gotten around 45 miles using both motors throttle only
Them knife skills tho
I’ve had my xp for a few months now and I think I’m gonna copy you. I do a lot of UberEats so it might be worth it. Also I wanna be able to go on long rides. Thanks.
If I do this upgrade I’m gonna have to get hydraulic brakes though because I want to have good stopping power
@@fightcentral9337 its worth it, I do doordash, this setup is perfect for that.
I also installed hydraulic calipers on the bike.
@@urbangrizzly3709 How do you manage to get 60 miles on one charge if the front motor/battery is throttle only? Do you just twist whenever you are pedaling to save some of that battery? Also I appreciate you replying to the comment.
@@fightcentral9337 Yeah I get the best mileage when I use the front motor to help the rear motor get up to speed. Less mileage when dashing tho because I usually stay in PAS 5 most of the time.
yo grizz. can I use a mid drive motor on my xp. ? would that even help?
Yea there is a guy on UA-cam that put a 3000w cyclone mid drive on his xp.
Hey Grizz, Did you ever consider a 48v 1500 watt motor for the front? What kind of problems would you think could happen with the bigger front motor? I wonder what kind of millage you would get with the same 48v 20ah battery and a 1500 watt motor.
The front hub peaks at 1500w, a new controller could get me past 32mph. I would lose range because of it though.
Great stuff, unfortunately I'm still under warranty with my XP. Still saving up for the Onyx, Super 73 or that electric Shopping Cart sporting the 250 watt hub motors on each wheel.
Im still under warranty but I didn't modify anything that would void the warranty. I'm still trying to find that electric shopping cart, is it a diy build?
Hello to you mr. Grizzly from Vermont. I checked out your video upgrading your front hub. I'm planning to do the same upgrade on my XP. I was just like to know if you were happy with this upgrade? Did it give you torque that you wanted? Anything I should know before I dive into this project? Please respond thank you
What size tire is it the 20" 24" or 26?
It's 20" I found online but don't want to buy the wrong one.
Also is PAS possible on the front tire? Think it would have to be rear for the chain.
20" x 4".
You could install the PAS sensor that came with the kit on the other side, running two at once, making it a dual motor PAS
@@urbangrizzly3709 is the old/original battery still being used or are both motors being ran off of the new battery and controller only? I have two of these one for my daughter and we're always running out of power so was wandering if we would have an extra battery until I can get both upgraded. Thanks for the earlier response, great video!
@@urbangrizzly3709 I saw the other video looks like the old battery is still being used 👍
yo i just wanted to ask if u have experience any overheating problems or anything malfunctions i wana do this conversion to my lextricxp lol im also close to LA i never knew of esk8 lol i saw u on davidbrandnews video lol
No problems so far, I don’t zip the bag up all the way when I ride so it can vent
@@urbangrizzly3709 sweet i really wana do this cause i hate those damn hills... lmao
Put the rear motor on PAS 5 then using the throttle on the front you should keep up with most.
Nicely done, I've been meaning to upgrade my motor and controller. It's lost some power from usage. What's the max speed on the new set up?
Still 28mph but it gets there quick. I ordered a stronger controller for top speed its on the way, I'll post it on here if it works out. I've seen people do 35+ on this same motor and battery.
@@urbangrizzly3709 28 on throttle alone is still impressive. I do imagine it reaching past 30+ mph from small wheel size. On the stock motor it detects and stops when you hit the brake. Is the new motor the same?
@@noone9071 the front motor has no cutoff, only if you install the brakes that come with the kit. I'm still running the stock brakes.
Did you wire the 2 motor to a single twist throttle?
Dual throttle setup.
Hey, I was wondering when do you know or have any suggestions on getting the perfect "Puncture Resistant tires"I have recently been looking for the best All-terrain tires that are like moped/motorcycle gade in toughness, that's out there. I saw one that's on UBCO 2x2, but Idk if there are any fat tires that are as tough and road-ready that you know of for the Lectric XP?👍
That's a good question, wish I knew the answer. I haven't had any issues since I pre-slimed my innertubes.
shinko 244 or sr241 size 3.00-16 available on amazon or ebay around $45 each they will replace a 20x4 ebike tire
What kind of range did that do get before the second motor?
About 16-21 miles per charge, the way I ride.
Yo could I pay you to do the install ? or would you know a shop that would be able to do that for me ?
im looking for distance. plus im big as hell. hills..?I didn't actually get my bike yet
I had same seat on my ebike , had to switch it out for a noseless seat because it was hurting my nuts
What seat are you using now?
@@urbangrizzly3709 Schwinn Comfort Bike Saddle, Noseless Saddle, Foam, Black
Zip tie that hub motor wire coming off the front wheel to the front fork so you don't have the power wire loose with enough slack to turn.
Nc I'm jealous, did the speed of your bike change too? If so whats the top speed?
Max speed i got was 31mph, but on average its still 28.
I wonder if something like this would work on my S73 S-2
I've seen it done.
@@urbangrizzly3709 I think I’m going to give this a shot. On eBay they’re sold out of the Black 1000w motors. You know any other places they sell these? Or does this dude in LaPuente do his stuff independently?
@@DapperDop they have a few vendors on Amazon.
@@urbangrizzly3709 thanks bro! I see you’ve done group rides in Pasadena, that’s right around my neck of the woods. Stay up!
whats the seat that you have on?
YLG seat from Amazon
Video was cool! You lost me a little bit jumping around! So both motors work? Independent and each has its own throttle? Have you made the video of the test run?
Both motors still work, the stock one operates in PAS only, the front runs on throttle only. I can put the bike in PAS 1-5 and crank the throttle and both motors will engage.
I'll redo my test video to answer questions in the comments.
Nice hookup!! So both motors can be operated at the same time with the one twist throttle...correct? If that is so the front wheel has more power than the rear, does that mean the rear motor reaches peak output and stays while the front motor keeps on pushing?
@@RegJonesLilDad the rear operates in PAS only, the front is throttle only, test run vid coming soon.
@@urbangrizzly3709 Thanks for the clarification. I got confused by the statement "I can put the bike in PAS 1-5 and crank the throttle and both motors will engage." Stay Strong & keep doing what you do!
I'm guessing this same set up will work on all the fat tyre bikes?
Should work for pretty much all 20x4 fat tire bikes.
I am doin this to my xp 2.0
What seat is that?
YLG seat from Amazon
I'm doing this but I may add the PAS
How's it holding up? Any problems or issues at all now?
No problems so far 👍🏾.
@@urbangrizzly3709 thanks man
Just for future reference dog... The star pattern is called a "torx" bit... So when u need to buy one, they'll know what your talkin bout
My guy!!👍its time to bring it to lask8 and see how it performs
You already know!👊🏾
Dose it have to be that battery?
Nope, its just a cheaper option, I put 500 miles on it, still holding strong. Not the best option tho
The cheaper option sheesh I thought this would be the cheapest option www.ebay.com/itm/48v-Lithium-Ion-Battery-48v-20ah-1000w-13s3p-For-54-6v-Electric-Bicycle-charger-/353491565525?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286
@@MrDanjgonzo I bought a cheap 52v 25ah battery from ebay for $160 and my 48v 20ah battery gets way better mileage. It'll work but it'll suck if you plan on using long-term.