Oh wow! an Urza and a Thassa's Oracle deck, those are some new and creative decks for sure!. What a crappy comment for people who actually bring something different to the table.
@@kylehill "competitive" also doesn't mean using the same decks everytime. It's nice to see people try to tune non tradicional cedh commanders to play.
@@esalfaro Competitive has a much more narrow definition, because the strategies and lines involved are the most efficient and least interactable within their respective colours. You can run a lot of commanders in their respective colours competitively, but rarely cast them because you'll be leaning heavily on the 99. It's not that creativity isn't good, it's just not efficient enough in Competitive. Plus cedh players prefer to duel decks of similar levels or it'll essentially be a pubstomp, not fun for any player and generates feels bads.
This game is perfect example that strong EDH decks and cEDH decks are actually two different worlds that don't really have the abilities to interact with one another's game plans. Anyway: Great content as always!
I’d love to hear an argument to the contrary but hitting someone for damage because “I haven’t hit you yet” is some casual shit. The stax player needs to remove Urza for exactly the reason Cam said-the stax pieces in play weren’t really stopping Urza at all.
@@paulmcclain642 Yeah I definitely enjoyed watching decks you typically don't see. While they may not have been as powerful they did manage to kill the naus player and ~almost~ kill the Urza player before they could go off.
@@richardtarbell946 that is more like cam did all the work to stop Dylan there and they just took credit for the group project at the end imo. All the other guy did was swing for damage
@@MegaBsterling the order doesn't matter in this case, because both creatures did hit Dylan: The trigger of Kediss does damage to every OTHER opponent, so it doesn't matter when you put it on the stack. The trigger of Ragavan doesn't deal damage, just exiles a card and creates a treasure, so it doesn't matter when you put it on the stack. The only trigger relevant is that of Quietus and no matter the order it would resolve at the time when Dylan was at 2 life.
Usually pretty stoked for any Play to Win video, but got kinda dissapointed when the game felt 1 v 1 between Cam and Dylan while the other 2 piloting high powered non cedh decks are just there and not really interacting that much
not the best episode since two out of the four decks felt pretty casual but still loving the content you guys bring to the cedh community. happy new year guys 🎆🎇
Man that was nuts. When no one counter the consult I thought he had it. Then urza just steps in and takes the win. Never a dull game! Well played everyone!
its so funny how damping sphere was used for and lop of casting spells when thats the exact thing its supposed to stop. if you do the math and i'm just going to say that you have to activate shredder 170 times, also keep in mind there where 8 spells cast before the loop and at only every second iteration damping sphere is out to make spells more expensive but also only every second time you get to mill, you would have to pay a casual amount of 29560 mana which is the equivalent in the non infinite world of having sasaya orochi ascendent flipped, the most absurd mana double in existence, and 172 lands.
You guys are my favorite gameplay channel by a mile-wide margin. Still are. But I'm gonna echo other voices in here saying that the power level discrepancy was too big here. This might come out as overly pessimistic, but the cEDH community has put a ton of effort into curbstomping the "pubstomping stamp" these last few years, and when I see this I feel like I can hear certain redditors linking this going "SEE?? EVEN THE CONTENT CREATORS DO IT!!!" To clarify, I don't believe this is an example of pubstomping at all. And I don't think you guys should have your freedom to put your own content out there infringed upon, but like... What happened here? What about pre-game conversations? PtW is clearly a cEDH channel and YDomNT is very clearly not. Looking forward to your next video, when the "c" in "cEDH" hopefully stands for "competitive". Edit: "curbstomping" correctly edited to "pubstomping"! Wow
I'd say that if you purposely bring a deck into a cEDH pod to see if you can win with it, and it winds up not being strong enough, that was simply you playing low tier and not you getting pub stomped.
That isn't a "Rule 0" conversation, that's called "Maintaining the game state". You can't miss those counters because the rules say they are there. To imply that you could miss them by forgetting is as absurd as saying that forgetting to untap your lands at the start of the turn means you don't get to. Additionally, the counter on blast zone is not a benefit, it's a drawback to prevent you from being able to blow up tokens. By "forgetting" to put the counter on against any deck utilizing tokens, you could create a huge advantage by Cam and Dylan's logic.
Yeah, I don't run Ghostly Prison or Propaganda in my Zur deck. I did use Web of Inertia, which works well with RiP to just make you unattackable, but the number of decks that helped vs wasn't very high, and most decks that need to attack don't especially need to attack me in order to win, just be able to swing to generate resources. It can slow down Najeela or Zur or whatever, but Web is really good vs Godo, and that's why I said 'I'm putting Malevolent Hermit in instead' and was happier. I think you need better cards than that usually, but I guess if you play in an all Tymna, Edric and Najeela pod why not? Even then though, I think I'd rather run a wipe over Ghostly Prison, White has really good wipes. You could even run Inkshield in Orzhov if you're really worried about big swings, that's a funny card I guess? I got ahold of a 2016 K+T deck not too long ago, so I am trying out the package from the deck in a Sisay build, but this is still it's Shrines phase, so we'll see. I wish it didn't take +5 turns to get a whole pile of shrines out, they'd be a lot of fun, as is I'm mostly hoping to avoid aggro, or at least Tramplers (Green Shrine makes tokens! woo!). I'm trying to figure out how fast I can get out all (or even just most) of the Shrines, the hard part is the first WUBRG, and getting it by turn 3 or 4 at the very latest, at which point I'm grabbing something to find bigger stuff, which feels bad, because all I have out is ramp/lands. AFAIK, if I can get Zur out, he can find a Haste effect, and then I can grab Jeggy and copy the elk a few times, eventually grabbing enough stuff to (unfortunately!) set up next turn, at which point I need to wait until my upkeep for my shrines to do anything. It feels terrible if you're targeted early, but it's interesting anyways. There are a few ways to copy Jeggy, but I suspect having to wait another cycle is just too slow to ever matter. Still, that'd be a cool high power deck maybe? I sort of like Heartless Hidetsugu and Vito, that seems considerably lower to the ground. In Casual I like War Tax a lot, but I almost wish they'd make a better Flood. Not because they should, but it would be handy!
Just a heads up: "The damage the commander deals as a result of Kediss’s triggered ability isn’t combat damage. It isn’t tracked with combat damage dealt by commanders and won’t cause Kediss’s ability to trigger again." So that means Ragavan would not exile the top card of every players library.
Not to be that guy but what are those deck boxes behind you in the commentary! Super sick! I need more storage for my decks and collection that isn’t paper or cardboard haha
Question about the Rule 0 rule regarding counters: neither Wishclaw or Blast Zone have a "may" ability regarding their counters, so even if the player forgets to add the counters don't they have to be there as far as the game is concerned? It's always great to establish ahead of time that little mistakes like that are no big deal, but once a player points out that the counters should be there it feels like legit game rules would dictate that yes, indeed they are. It isn't like a missed optional trigger or taking back a play.
I find the amount of comments complaining about deck power level a little disappointing, and many of those comments provide examples as to why members of the EDH the community have a problem with the cEDH gatekeeping that goes on. Sure they may not be "cEDH" decks, but high powered decks can still occasionally punch above their weight class and provide interesting games in cEDH. To me, the main issue was that some of the decision making was a bit too casual for a cEDH table. Regardless, it was a fun game to watch and it added a little spice to the same old played out cEDH strategies.
@@gutsbadguy50 I don't disagree on that point. Both those decks could've been more optimized, though I think the Ragavan deck could've done more damage had the pilot been more aggressive. Regardless, my initial comment is more focused on some of the comments on the video which perpetuate the elitism/gatekeeping stereotype that much of the larger EDH community holds towards cEDH. All that does is hurt the format.
@@TheBalogna7 Is it gatekeeping if people want to play a particular style of game? Sure, you can bring a casual deck to a competitive table or vice versa, but I dont see how that makes for a fun experience for anyone.
How often do you restock your skull playmats? They're awesome and I'd love to pick one up. I've been checking everyday for about 2 or 3 weeks now. Best looking playmat I've seen in years.
Great Video and incredible timing: I just uploaded a 2h in depth Guide to cEDH Urza yesterday. Check it out, if you are interested in building Urza or improving your existing list. ✌
I'm in really excited to see Ragavan. Ragavan is my pet edh deck and I've been waiting for someone to crack how to make it cedh. Urza is my bling cedh deck so I'm just happy with this video overall.
with the codex shredder couldnt you have just cast every card in your graveyard an infinite amount of times and just milled/drew out everyone with drown in dreams
Question for the class: what is the purpose of having fetch lands in a mono color deck? For example, what if someone has an opp agent or a blood moon out? You’d be much better off drawing into a basic than a fetch. The only thing I can think of our certain utility lands that have basic land types, but does it go anywhere beyond that? Thanks for the info, I’m new to cEDH👌🏼
This Urza lists runs brainstorm so fetches help maximize the value there. It also runs that blue land from Eldraine that gets an instant or sorcery from yard on top of your library.
@@CamToWin mystic sanctuary. Fetches also useful for thinning lands, worst thing to have when activating urzas ability to topdeck play any card is for it to be a land.
Hullbreaker bounces a permanent, codex shredder, but before the bounce he taps to mill an opponent. Then he plays codex bouncing damp sphere. With his large amount of mana he can pay for the damp tax and do this loop until both player’s libraries are empty. He used the copy artifact to bounce the leyline giving one of his opponents hexproof. Then his opponents go to draw from empty libraries and die.
There are 100.2. To play, each player needs his or her own deck of traditional Magic cards, small items to represent any tokens and counters, and some way to clearly track life totals. and 121.1. A counter is a marker placed on an object or player that modifies its characteristics and/or interacts with a rule, ability, or effect. Counters are not objects (edit: in the sense of 109: Objects) and have no characteristics. Which in any setting would get you into trouble for refusing to use counters. Apart from having to represent the board state clear to all players
Well, well, well... here we are again--EDH at a high level. Thanks for the video. It gets a 2/3 bacon strips. Also! It's 2022 and as a New Year's resolution, may I suggest a "best enchantress deck in cEDH" video?
Submerge puts Thassa's Oracle on top of it's owner's library, so when the TO trigger checks for devotion equal to or less than cards in the deck, devotion = 0, deck size = 1
That's a pretty fair rule 0 for counters; there's so much going on in a match and in your head, I'm not going to want to hold it against someone for not physically putting the counters on a wishclaw or blast zone.
I think “power level disparity” is more accurate than pub stomp. There’s no such thing as pub stomping when a game is explicitly cEDH-it’s not the fault of the players playing top tier decks when the other people don’t bring the appropriate heat
@@paulmcclain642 you're 100% right, I used the wrong description. Also a very good point that hey it's made clear that this is cedh and people bring non cedh decks that's their fault.
Guests brought knives to a gun fight…
Oh wow! an Urza and a Thassa's Oracle deck, those are some new and creative decks for sure!. What a crappy comment for people who actually bring something different to the table.
@@esalfaro “Different” and “competitive” are not always the same thing
@@kylehill "competitive" also doesn't mean using the same decks everytime. It's nice to see people try to tune non tradicional cedh commanders to play.
@@esalfaro Competitive has a much more narrow definition, because the strategies and lines involved are the most efficient and least interactable within their respective colours. You can run a lot of commanders in their respective colours competitively, but rarely cast them because you'll be leaning heavily on the 99. It's not that creativity isn't good, it's just not efficient enough in Competitive. Plus cedh players prefer to duel decks of similar levels or it'll essentially be a pubstomp, not fun for any player and generates feels bads.
@@esalfaro sometimes it does though
So funny Dylan kept basically saying "These dudes weren't playing cedh decks."
This game is perfect example that strong EDH decks and cEDH decks are actually two different worlds that don't really have the abilities to interact with one another's game plans. Anyway: Great content as always!
I’d love to hear an argument to the contrary but hitting someone for damage because “I haven’t hit you yet” is some casual shit. The stax player needs to remove Urza for exactly the reason Cam said-the stax pieces in play weren’t really stopping Urza at all.
I did enjoy seeing some off meta decks though, it’s nice to see innovation
Yes it is casual. Both Rag and Ob are high powered casual lists and less cedh. Still fun though.
@@paulmcclain642 Yeah I definitely enjoyed watching decks you typically don't see. While they may not have been as powerful they did manage to kill the naus player and ~almost~ kill the Urza player before they could go off.
@@richardtarbell946 that is more like cam did all the work to stop Dylan there and they just took credit for the group project at the end imo. All the other guy did was swing for damage
@@jaredbobier2844 True
The damage from Ragavan and Kediss happens simultaneously and *then* the Quietus Spike trigger resolves, which would've left Dylan at 1 hp.
Yes they maybe confused his dash with first strike, or thoght his equipment gave deathtouch and first strike
And to be fair he would have just died in his next draw step anyway
Yeah luckily in the end it probably didn’t really matter if he died then or on his draw step
This is not true, as the controller of both triggers, he can choose what order to put them on the stack.
@@MegaBsterling the order doesn't matter in this case, because both creatures did hit Dylan:
The trigger of Kediss does damage to every OTHER opponent, so it doesn't matter when you put it on the stack.
The trigger of Ragavan doesn't deal damage, just exiles a card and creates a treasure, so it doesn't matter when you put it on the stack.
The only trigger relevant is that of Quietus and no matter the order it would resolve at the time when Dylan was at 2 life.
Those games were maybe high power, but I don't think cedh
*edit: I mean the other two players who were on as guests
It was great playing with you guys! Will have to do it again soon.
I thought the red deck was super cool
Wouldn’t the kids from Stranger things actually be gen Xers since they’re growing up in the 80s?
I am pretty sure an experimental cEDH list and two very casual decks just sat down against Urza.
Those guys didn't hear it was cEDH I guess
@@petereremeev then gave it to the urza player... wowza
@@gutsbadguy50 when people dont know how urza works and just ignore him lol
Unless ragavan had firststrike and I missed it Dylan should have lived when attacked by kediss and ragavan
Yeah I was just seeing that too
Yeah didn't end up mattering because would have just died when he drew from empty library but important to know
@@austinolet3507 Thassa's Oracle was in his library due to submerge; so Dylan would have won (if cam didn't attack him, which is unlikely).
@@JG1075 thassa's oracle was exiled by rag; he had no cards in library
@@jfb- was Dylan able to scroll rac to save oracle?
Dylan with the 1 lander really channeling Tyler's spirit in this game.
Decks were off, but what really hurt was the casual mindset of apologetic targeting and purposely mistargeting
Usually pretty stoked for any Play to Win video, but got kinda dissapointed when the game felt 1 v 1 between Cam and Dylan while the other 2 piloting high powered non cedh decks are just there and not really interacting that much
The power level disparity was a little unfortunate, I'm all for brewing in the cEDH space, but that isn't what this looked like.
Ah yes, cEDH staple: Ghostly Prison!
not the best episode since two out of the four decks felt pretty casual but still loving the content you guys bring to the cedh community.
happy new year guys 🎆🎇
I can't believe Dylan missed to shout "You're dead on my next turn!" after having Thassa on top!
the decks from YOU'RE DEAD ON MY NEXT TURN are so casual, fringe at best .-.
Yea, I think the same. I love equipments and enchantments, but with Urza and Rings of Brightheart in the table you know who is gonna win.
Man that was nuts. When no one counter the consult I thought he had it. Then urza just steps in and takes the win. Never a dull game! Well played everyone!
2 cEDH decks against 2 EDH decks. Nice
its so funny how damping sphere was used for and lop of casting spells when thats the exact thing its supposed to stop. if you do the math and i'm just going to say that you have to activate shredder 170 times, also keep in mind there where 8 spells cast before the loop and at only every second iteration damping sphere is out to make spells more expensive but also only every second time you get to mill, you would have to pay a casual amount of 29560 mana which is the equivalent in the non infinite world of having sasaya orochi ascendent flipped, the most absurd mana double in existence, and 172 lands.
So when are you guys adding that giant Play to Win wall mount to your merch?
I see Ragavan as Commander, I watch video. Simple as that.
This is me with urza
You guys are my favorite gameplay channel by a mile-wide margin. Still are. But I'm gonna echo other voices in here saying that the power level discrepancy was too big here. This might come out as overly pessimistic, but the cEDH community has put a ton of effort into curbstomping the "pubstomping stamp" these last few years, and when I see this I feel like I can hear certain redditors linking this going "SEE?? EVEN THE CONTENT CREATORS DO IT!!!"
To clarify, I don't believe this is an example of pubstomping at all. And I don't think you guys should have your freedom to put your own content out there infringed upon, but like... What happened here? What about pre-game conversations? PtW is clearly a cEDH channel and YDomNT is very clearly not.
Looking forward to your next video, when the "c" in "cEDH" hopefully stands for "competitive".
Edit: "curbstomping" correctly edited to "pubstomping"! Wow
I'd say that if you purposely bring a deck into a cEDH pod to see if you can win with it, and it winds up not being strong enough, that was simply you playing low tier and not you getting pub stomped.
That isn't a "Rule 0" conversation, that's called "Maintaining the game state". You can't miss those counters because the rules say they are there. To imply that you could miss them by forgetting is as absurd as saying that forgetting to untap your lands at the start of the turn means you don't get to. Additionally, the counter on blast zone is not a benefit, it's a drawback to prevent you from being able to blow up tokens. By "forgetting" to put the counter on against any deck utilizing tokens, you could create a huge advantage by Cam and Dylan's logic.
"Today the 'C' in 'CEDH' stands for 'Curveball'... Because Urza wins... like usual?"
The guest today were not able to win even teaming up. Cheers!
Yeah, I don't run Ghostly Prison or Propaganda in my Zur deck. I did use Web of Inertia, which works well with RiP to just make you unattackable, but the number of decks that helped vs wasn't very high, and most decks that need to attack don't especially need to attack me in order to win, just be able to swing to generate resources. It can slow down Najeela or Zur or whatever, but Web is really good vs Godo, and that's why I said 'I'm putting Malevolent Hermit in instead' and was happier. I think you need better cards than that usually, but I guess if you play in an all Tymna, Edric and Najeela pod why not? Even then though, I think I'd rather run a wipe over Ghostly Prison, White has really good wipes. You could even run Inkshield in Orzhov if you're really worried about big swings, that's a funny card I guess? I got ahold of a 2016 K+T deck not too long ago, so I am trying out the package from the deck in a Sisay build, but this is still it's Shrines phase, so we'll see. I wish it didn't take +5 turns to get a whole pile of shrines out, they'd be a lot of fun, as is I'm mostly hoping to avoid aggro, or at least Tramplers (Green Shrine makes tokens! woo!). I'm trying to figure out how fast I can get out all (or even just most) of the Shrines, the hard part is the first WUBRG, and getting it by turn 3 or 4 at the very latest, at which point I'm grabbing something to find bigger stuff, which feels bad, because all I have out is ramp/lands. AFAIK, if I can get Zur out, he can find a Haste effect, and then I can grab Jeggy and copy the elk a few times, eventually grabbing enough stuff to (unfortunately!) set up next turn, at which point I need to wait until my upkeep for my shrines to do anything. It feels terrible if you're targeted early, but it's interesting anyways. There are a few ways to copy Jeggy, but I suspect having to wait another cycle is just too slow to ever matter. Still, that'd be a cool high power deck maybe? I sort of like Heartless Hidetsugu and Vito, that seems considerably lower to the ground.
In Casual I like War Tax a lot, but I almost wish they'd make a better Flood. Not because they should, but it would be handy!
Love your content the guests were a little too casual for what I'm used to from you guys
Just a heads up: "The damage the commander deals as a result of Kediss’s triggered ability isn’t combat damage. It isn’t tracked with combat damage dealt by commanders and won’t cause Kediss’s ability to trigger again." So that means Ragavan would not exile the top card of every players library.
I'm not sure if everyone knows what cEDH is here.
Casual decks look great against cEDH decks.
Dylan, your voice sounds higher pitched than usual in this video. Did you become a vegan or something?
Whats the wincon with the Obzedat deck? It did seem like 2 cedh vs two mid tier decks. I mean props for trying I suppose.
Just curious, what kind of deck boxes are you using at 5:15?
I have not watched all of your videos but that is the first time I saw Urza won.
Not to be that guy but what are those deck boxes behind you in the commentary! Super sick! I need more storage for my decks and collection that isn’t paper or cardboard haha
Ragavan equipment deck? I'm listening, deck looks sweet might have to build one
The deck stacking is so aggregious I can't even stand it. I hAvE tWo LeYlInEs!
Lose half life trigger would have happened after Kediss hit Dylan. Should have gone to 1 life not 0
Question about the Rule 0 rule regarding counters: neither Wishclaw or Blast Zone have a "may" ability regarding their counters, so even if the player forgets to add the counters don't they have to be there as far as the game is concerned? It's always great to establish ahead of time that little mistakes like that are no big deal, but once a player points out that the counters should be there it feels like legit game rules would dictate that yes, indeed they are. It isn't like a missed optional trigger or taking back a play.
Def need more Gen Z Farm
what are those sick as fck looking lands Jared is using? I want them sooo bad :C
I find the amount of comments complaining about deck power level a little disappointing, and many of those comments provide examples as to why members of the EDH the community have a problem with the cEDH gatekeeping that goes on. Sure they may not be "cEDH" decks, but high powered decks can still occasionally punch above their weight class and provide interesting games in cEDH. To me, the main issue was that some of the decision making was a bit too casual for a cEDH table. Regardless, it was a fun game to watch and it added a little spice to the same old played out cEDH strategies.
Both of those decks were non-interactive speed bumps.
You can definitely build more optimized versions of ragavan and ghost dad, but thats not what they brought.
@@gutsbadguy50 I don't disagree on that point. Both those decks could've been more optimized, though I think the Ragavan deck could've done more damage had the pilot been more aggressive. Regardless, my initial comment is more focused on some of the comments on the video which perpetuate the elitism/gatekeeping stereotype that much of the larger EDH community holds towards cEDH. All that does is hurt the format.
@@TheBalogna7 Is it gatekeeping if people want to play a particular style of game? Sure, you can bring a casual deck to a competitive table or vice versa, but I dont see how that makes for a fun experience for anyone.
@@gutsbadguy50 No it's not, but you miss the point of my original comment. It's the negative and demeaning comments that are problematic.
So, two cEDH-decks and two casual decks with jank in them.
I didn‘t enjoy this game that much. To me this was a great example of „please don‘t bring a high powered casual deck to a cEDH table or vice versa“
By the way big props to you guys still liking my comment, even though it was mainly negative. You guys rock! Looking forward to the next video :)
This shiz smell kinda mid power 🧐🤨😔
Even budget urza is still broken, I dont know who going to win ,
Hey Decklist From
Jared anywhere to find ?
Always wondered, what percentage of the decks placed are proxied?
who cares, its cedh
oh look urza dominating casual decks what a surprise
Would love to see the Stranger Thing deck more
How often do you restock your skull playmats? They're awesome and I'd love to pick one up. I've been checking everyday for about 2 or 3 weeks now. Best looking playmat I've seen in years.
Great Video and incredible timing:
I just uploaded a 2h in depth Guide to cEDH Urza yesterday. Check it out, if you are interested in building Urza or improving your existing list. ✌
@@nathanmoore3866 Nice, happy to hear that. Tweaking your list is the most important part. Adapting is key!
1:22 if ragavan hits all opponents, doesn’t it exile 3 cards and create 3 treasures?
Ragavan reads when he deals combat damage. Kedess says Ragavan does that much damage to other opponents ( non combat damage)
I'm in really excited to see Ragavan. Ragavan is my pet edh deck and I've been waiting for someone to crack how to make it cedh. Urza is my bling cedh deck so I'm just happy with this video overall.
Interesting to see a non-cEDH deck at the table. Not necessarily making the experience better, but interesting, nonetheless.
Did Dylan get a new mic? He sounds a bit more high-pitched this vid.
why does only Dylan seem to be at +025 speed during the commentary compared to normal??
with the codex shredder couldnt you have just cast every card in your graveyard an infinite amount of times and just milled/drew out everyone with drown in dreams
When will the Play to Win Skull Playmat be back in stock? Been waiting such a long time to get one.
Here that deck is called Cluefarm ^^
Can we get a breakdown of YDOMNT’s deck? I’m really curious
Five minutes about counters on lands and land board arrangement..... I love this show!
Is there a ragavan deck list?
Very good games guys..that monkey had a knife no!!!..everyone did the thing ..
Post the deck lists. Only two decks there and it’s awful
Great editing, still watching it rn. The music at about 3 minutes in was a pleasant surprise
It does not seem like all of these decks are cEDH decks…
Aaa finally the highlight of the week, simply the best commander content out there, keep up the amazing work!
perfect example of why i hate playing against cEDH players. which i don’t normally.
This is a cedh game…
Another unexpected video with great players and action! Happy New Year Playing To Win!
Great game and love the content. I just gotta ask what happened to dylans voice in some of the shots?
Question for the class: what is the purpose of having fetch lands in a mono color deck? For example, what if someone has an opp agent or a blood moon out? You’d be much better off drawing into a basic than a fetch. The only thing I can think of our certain utility lands that have basic land types, but does it go anywhere beyond that? Thanks for the info, I’m new to cEDH👌🏼
This Urza lists runs brainstorm so fetches help maximize the value there. It also runs that blue land from Eldraine that gets an instant or sorcery from yard on top of your library.
@@CamToWin mystic sanctuary. Fetches also useful for thinning lands, worst thing to have when activating urzas ability to topdeck play any card is for it to be a land.
A farm deck with no Tymna? Wild
Do you guys proxy?
Man this is jank ahah
dis err dat seaDH isn”t right cedh lulz /s
"Urza is Broken" yeah, you right.
What a wild game and man did those oddball decks do work
@@alexobrien4240 Id say ragavan did. All the Orzhov deck did though was play cards that stopped Ragavan from doing anything to him.
@@naolislight4442 I feel it didn't do anything honestly. Quitous Spike? Yeah that was it. But well. It's alright I guess?
Did you watch the same video I did?
Can someone explain how urza won at the end through all that bouncing and stuff
Hullbreaker bounces a permanent, codex shredder, but before the bounce he taps to mill an opponent. Then he plays codex bouncing damp sphere. With his large amount of mana he can pay for the damp tax and do this loop until both player’s libraries are empty. He used the copy artifact to bounce the leyline giving one of his opponents hexproof. Then his opponents go to draw from empty libraries and die.
There's no rule saying you have to have something on a permanent or player to represent any type of counters
There are
100.2. To play, each player needs his or her own deck of traditional Magic cards, small items to represent any tokens and counters, and some way to clearly track life totals.
and
121.1. A counter is a marker placed on an object or player that modifies its characteristics and/or interacts with a rule, ability, or effect. Counters are not objects (edit: in the sense of 109: Objects) and have no characteristics.
Which in any setting would get you into trouble for refusing to use counters.
Apart from having to represent the board state clear to all players
I want this Ragavan Decklist!
B E G I N
Urza is such a smooth brain commander
Well, well, well... here we are again--EDH at a high level. Thanks for the video. It gets a 2/3 bacon strips. Also! It's 2022 and as a New Year's resolution, may I suggest a "best enchantress deck in cEDH" video?
I do not understand why dylan does not win with thassa's oracle if the card says that he wins if it is less than or equal
Submerge puts Thassa's Oracle on top of it's owner's library, so when the TO trigger checks for devotion equal to or less than cards in the deck, devotion = 0, deck size = 1
@@whalesarefinetoo thanks, I had understood that he puts it in his hand not on the top
Nice to see cam pilot Urza!
Tell Dylan i love his nails
I'd like to see grolnok revisited
Interesting decks!
The monke strikes again
That's a pretty fair rule 0 for counters; there's so much going on in a match and in your head, I'm not going to want to hold it against someone for not physically putting the counters on a wishclaw or blast zone.
Aggro Ragavan is interesting. I like it.
🤘🤘 BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This game was sweet. What a game!!!!!
Urza is a house
Urza go brrrrr
I really love this channel but this episode felt pub stompy. Regardless always glad to see more content.
I think “power level disparity” is more accurate than pub stomp. There’s no such thing as pub stomping when a game is explicitly cEDH-it’s not the fault of the players playing top tier decks when the other people don’t bring the appropriate heat
@@paulmcclain642 you're 100% right, I used the wrong description. Also a very good point that hey it's made clear that this is cedh and people bring non cedh decks that's their fault.
Awesome match as usual... sadly we weren't able to see much of that obzedat deck
I can't be the only one who notices Dylan's voice is a lot higher than it is normally.