I've been playing Prosper since the deck release, and it can be extremely resilient or competitive, depending on how much money you want to feed him. haha
I thought it was nuts that Madison didn't sac her 3 treasures to deny the creation of 3 treasures and 3 damage to the table. I'm also really surprised how they play Tempting Contract, live I've never seen anyone take that deal because free mana is dangerous.
@@MTGMuddstah Buy them in Europe ;) After listening to your comment I went straight to cardmarket, and you can definitely buy it foil there. I'm not sure about the shipping fees though!
It's a very unique card with a game altering effect for just you. Sometimes you forget because that's very different from how the game is normally played.
The correct Tempting Contract play is to always not create a treasure token and if all other opponents do the same then the person that played it literally spent 4 mana on nothing
In theory. But when one other person _really_ wants that one more mana for their haymaker, it hurts to be left behind. Then the tragedy of the commons / prisoners' dilemma begins.
Hey Andrew, Gyruda is one of my absolute favorite decks to pilot. Some advice if you wanna keep it: Try and only run even cmc creatures, with only maybe 2 or 3 not being even cmc. The only non-even cmc ones in my deck are Agent of Treachery and Peregrine Drake. The former is just a silly effect to get multiple clones of and the latter is part of an infinite combo to close out long games.
I'll defend Gyruda a little bit - I do think that playing him as clone tribal does get a little repetitive, but someone else below mentioned the real perk is that he fills graveyards. If you focus on reanimation/graveyard shenanigans, he's a great enabler. One fun line of play I did once was play Gyruda, mill a clone, repeat 2-3 times, then Spelltwine a removal card from my graveyard and someone else's milled Rise of the Dark Realms. Toss in a lot of reanimator effects and things that let you play instants/sorceries from graveyards and you'll have some good soup I think.
@@thyronebennett1170 Yeah, I've currently got him as a demon tribal build and Living Death is just gas in that deck. Nothing like reanimating 8 or 9 high cmc demons to slap face with.
Reckless Fireweaver is already a fun feature in my Daretti deck. I'm working on Prosper; I'll have to throw one in there as well. Thank goodness I hold onto my draft chaff.
I would also suggest adding in Academy Manufactor as well. The extra value of generating a Food and Clue with very Treasure is nice, and if you can get all three on the board; it triples the Fireweaver's ping damage with each Prosper treasure.
Loved the video! Especially the Breena deck, I really love him as a commander. I was wondering if that deck list is going to be published as well? The stax-y lifegain really made me want to build something similar!
I've been playing Gyruda in historic brawl for a couple months and I absolutely love it. I have been working on making an EDH version. Sucks you don't enjoy it :(
I feel that on not being able to find foils of cards. I have one deck that I plan to foil out, but it has commander-only cards in it, so that's likely never going to happen :(
I want to thank everyone in this games ,was very spicy, I love it ..damage flying everywhere, I'll get a casual 24 thresure lol..gg everyone..now that was a ending ..close one there
Reckless Fireweaver is the nuts. it actually made me take apart my Pirates, him, Malcom, and any type changing effect was game, and i wasnt a fan of how easy it was. same with the Mintaur pirate.
With all of the treasure token making effects nowadays, Reckless Fireweaver is one of those common cards that will be hard to find and everyone will need to dig through their bulk piles to track down.
I run gyruda and in my opinion you didn't use the graveyards enough. Gyruda and clones are the engine for filling graveyards and your other spells should be getting value out of someone's grave. Geth mills opponents more and let's use their grave. Lazav becomes nasty creatures. Wrexial gains value. Dreadhound is an even costed Konrad (Edit: Primordials are good too but cost 7)
I'm very confused by John's treasure math at the end. After casting the commander's sphere, he has 12. He then spends 2 plus 2 lands (4) to activate the theater. Then he takes 9 treasures off and taps two mana rocks to cast Marionette Master, which should only cost 6, not 11. I don't know if that wins, but it should have been a total of 28 damage to pass around with the Master, no?
Breena triggers when a player attacks one of your opponents that has more life than another. Daniel attacking John and Andrew (both had more life than Madison) triggers Breena twice.
Oh man...don't give up on Gyruda! He's one of my all time favorite (and strongest) decks. You really have to ramp tho...gotta mulligan out of any opening hands that have no ramp with him. If you just play 1 land per turn and wait until T6 to start popping off with him, it's probably too late. Man though...when that deck pops off it goes HARD
@@joegarcia9729 yup, totally agree. Turn 3 is optimal, turn 4 at latest, and counterspells & flicker spells.are very important. My main playgroup fear the deck big time & know all about it, so the counterspells are important. I love playing at an LGS or with new people with it though who've never faced it & underestimate it, haha. They're like "ok, no big deal, a 6 cmc vanilla 6/6 with a decent etb...what's the worst that could happen". Then after his first cast & ETB trigger, everyone's libraries are half milled & they're staring at like 3 gyruda's (him, spark double, sakashima, etc) and a Jin-Gitaxis 😆. So fun...
Hey Muddstah. Great video as always! Tempting contract is a may ability, so why was everyone taking the treasure or was there a misunderstanding? My friend and I discussed this card when it was released, and get like it would never get a hit since if no opponent takes it, then you get 0. So it’s basically a dead card at that point.
Is breena able to draw more then once a combat? The wording is "whenever a player attacks another player vs whenever a creature attacks a player " so im not sure it triggers per creature vs per attack step
If you attack two opponents who have more life than the third one, it's possible to get two triggers in a single combat. Obviously, this is only possible for Breena's controller.
Since Breena reads "Whenever a player attacks one of your opponents" and not "attacks one or more opponents", it would potentially trigger for each defending player as long as those defending players each meet the requirements. So in a typical 4 player game, it can trigger up to twice per combat. I say 2 triggers in a 4 way game, because it only triggers if the defending player(s) have more life than at least one of your opponents, so it won't trigger for your lowest life opponent being a defending player. It also doesn't count you, the controller of Breena, at all, so really it can trigger twice in your combat and only once during your opponents'.
I'm pretty sure there were about 3-4 Breena misplays, but other than that great video. Breena is super hard to pilot and you have to pay attention to so much
it's too bad there is no breena decklist. I have a Breena deck myself, I have decided to go pillowfort with a little group hug. so long as they keep attacking each other they can draw.
Why is everyone making treasures on tempting contract? It's a may and really only just accelerates the one play way to much for my liking. I immediately pulled in from Breen's for that reason
Hold on shouldn't making the first copy of Gyruda invoked the Legend Rule?? Spark double says the copy isn't legendary, but the first one doesn't say that
Ok going back to the video he did it right. Casted Glasspool targeted Gyruda it died milled 4 and got Spark Double which targeted Gyruda and both stay on field.
@@MTGMuddstah lol no you good. You actually have very clear enunciation! Magic has a bunch of weird fantasy nonsense words that you nail. I remember it by imagining that Mom uses rune magic to protect her children 😊
my wife does not pronounce the I in the word "ruin", making it sound like "rune". listening to you call mother of runes "mother of ruins" this game was the first time I heard it done the other way around, though. I feel like I ought to add that this is a little thing and does not significantly detract from my enjoyment of this video.
You didn’t like it because it wasn’t gigan. If it was gigan, it’d do better things lol. Also I have the same deck before and you really need a lot of even clone cards. I ran each one and it still felt not enough. What’s even crucial is trying to give them haste and having mirror gallery out just so you can have the army.
Why is when I play tempting contract the entire table always agree to never take a treasure, to make me waste 4 mana. But every time I see other people play it, people always take the treasure.
A few days ago I was tinkering on a Rakdos colored deck (not prosper) with artifact tokens. Yep, Fireweaver was already on this list 😂. Can't wait to try him myself I really liked Breena in this game. I think she is better than most people realize.
Actually if you run a phantasm image or the phyrexian metamorph you loop garuda and the metamorph you could infanately loop the mill always targeting the copy creature and the garuda in ur graveyard to return and finally casting thasa or lab maniac to win the game.
@@MTGMuddstah most of them are pretty simple spoonerisms where you’re just switching letters. Like when you say Ravagan instead of Rag-a-van. Or mother of ruins instead of mother of roons
I agree that Gyruda clones is boring and linear. Same reason why Zannifar and others are "under"played. I had a Yidris with Gyruda as the companion "turbo" clones deck and it got used once maybe twice and then I took it apart. The eye rolls/ animosity isn't worth it as well. Although I do love a "free" Sire of Stagnation. Good game.
That's got to be one of the most effective reckless fireweavers I have ever seen!
I've been playing Prosper since the deck release, and it can be extremely resilient or competitive, depending on how much money you want to feed him. haha
I had him along with academy manufactor . Played a dockside extortionist. Won the game.
I thought it was nuts that Madison didn't sac her 3 treasures to deny the creation of 3 treasures and 3 damage to the table.
I'm also really surprised how they play Tempting Contract, live I've never seen anyone take that deal because free mana is dangerous.
Dang, the Breena list is the one missing. I loved what I saw of it.
Loved that Breena deck. Seemed like a deck that can go the game into many different direcions.
I'm always happy to see some Prosper game play, it's one of my favorite decks.
Fireweaver is AMAZING. My Prosper deck is somewhat optimized, and Fireweaver and Marionette Master are both houses in it.
I just can’t find a foil version anywhere. It’s insane!
@@MTGMuddstah Buy them in Europe ;) After listening to your comment I went straight to cardmarket, and you can definitely buy it foil there. I'm not sure about the shipping fees though!
Same!
I see Gyruda, I hit like - that's the rules.
That Kambal really put in work late game. Would love to see that updated Breena deck
Can’t wait to see the breyna list!!! Mine needs work
What a game! I was both at the edge of my seat, and relaxed at the same time!
Gyruda has been one of my favorite commanders I ever made. Whether or not you keep the deck, I was really happy see you try it out.
SAME
Agree, it's so fun to play. But seeing him keep a hand with no ramp hurt so much. I like Gyruda out by turn 3-4.
Prosper looked fun! Just bought that deck too, looking forward to playing it with some new players as is before adding some bells and whistles
Would love to see the Breena list! Please !!!
what is it with leyline of anticipation making its controller forget about it xD
Mudd likes to forget all the cards in play. Ever see rhystic study? It's his bane.
It's a very unique card with a game altering effect for just you. Sometimes you forget because that's very different from how the game is normally played.
The correct Tempting Contract play is to always not create a treasure token and if all other opponents do the same then the person that played it literally spent 4 mana on nothing
In theory. But when one other person _really_ wants that one more mana for their haymaker, it hurts to be left behind. Then the tragedy of the commons / prisoners' dilemma begins.
This collab was so awesome! So great to hang and slang with y'all in Montreal!
Hey Andrew, Gyruda is one of my absolute favorite decks to pilot. Some advice if you wanna keep it: Try and only run even cmc creatures, with only maybe 2 or 3 not being even cmc. The only non-even cmc ones in my deck are Agent of Treachery and Peregrine Drake. The former is just a silly effect to get multiple clones of and the latter is part of an infinite combo to close out long games.
Always excited to see Kambal hit the field :D
I'll defend Gyruda a little bit - I do think that playing him as clone tribal does get a little repetitive, but someone else below mentioned the real perk is that he fills graveyards. If you focus on reanimation/graveyard shenanigans, he's a great enabler. One fun line of play I did once was play Gyruda, mill a clone, repeat 2-3 times, then Spelltwine a removal card from my graveyard and someone else's milled Rise of the Dark Realms. Toss in a lot of reanimator effects and things that let you play instants/sorceries from graveyards and you'll have some good soup I think.
Yeh I was thinking it would make a great living death list.
@@thyronebennett1170 Yeah, I've currently got him as a demon tribal build and Living Death is just gas in that deck. Nothing like reanimating 8 or 9 high cmc demons to slap face with.
Dockside extortionists were both so good. Great win, and your turn 5, Danial, was fantastic!!! That's when I figured you were a threat.
Another amazing game from Mr muddstah
Glad to see your Ended up making the Gyruda deck. I love him and his chains can be insane.
GG! Fireweaver + Dockside = DAMAGE!
Is there a decklist for the breena? Bought the precon and am thinking about upgrading cause I like the archetype
And of course the one deck I was interested in seeing a list for is the one that doesn’t have a link lol
Can.. can I have the Breena decklist please? I bought the precon and would love someone’s upgraded take on it.
Reckless Fireweaver is already a fun feature in my Daretti deck. I'm working on Prosper; I'll have to throw one in there as well. Thank goodness I hold onto my draft chaff.
I would also suggest adding in Academy Manufactor as well. The extra value of generating a Food and Clue with very Treasure is nice, and if you can get all three on the board; it triples the Fireweaver's ping damage with each Prosper treasure.
The card is impossible to find in foil
@@Urzarel I had a game with Reckless Fireweaver and Academy Manufactor out, needless to say my opponents quickly ganged on me haha
Great game, lots happening, loved the music
Loved the video! Especially the Breena deck, I really love him as a commander. I was wondering if that deck list is going to be published as well? The stax-y lifegain really made me want to build something similar!
I've been playing Gyruda in historic brawl for a couple months and I absolutely love it. I have been working on making an EDH version. Sucks you don't enjoy it :(
Great game. Garuda has a lovey home in my Araumi deck.
I feel that on not being able to find foils of cards. I have one deck that I plan to foil out, but it has commander-only cards in it, so that's likely never going to happen :(
Gyruda does amazing with even cost creatures that have ETB effects since you will be cloning, blinking, and reanimating.
I want to thank everyone in this games ,was very spicy, I love it ..damage flying everywhere, I'll get a casual 24 thresure lol..gg everyone..now that was a ending ..close one there
Reckless Fireweaver is the nuts. it actually made me take apart my Pirates, him, Malcom, and any type changing effect was game, and i wasnt a fan of how easy it was. same with the Mintaur pirate.
With all of the treasure token making effects nowadays, Reckless Fireweaver is one of those common cards that will be hard to find and everyone will need to dig through their bulk piles to track down.
Where is the Brenn deckles? I need this asap :D
said breena deck had a snowcovered swamp in starting hand but showed a snowcovered plains. love the vids
I run gyruda and in my opinion you didn't use the graveyards enough.
Gyruda and clones are the engine for filling graveyards and your other spells should be getting value out of someone's grave.
Geth mills opponents more and let's use their grave. Lazav becomes nasty creatures. Wrexial gains value. Dreadhound is an even costed Konrad
(Edit: Primordials are good too but cost 7)
I’d love to see the deck list for breena.
At 6:24 shouldn't Madison have paid 3 for that blasphemous meaning she couldn't have played the monument without treasures
Came to say the same thing
Is there a decklist for Breena?
I'm confused how did Andrew's creature have haste with the spark double? didn't the creature come in on his turn?
Any words on that Breena decklist ??? :(
Unless Danial sees this game and emails it to me, I have no way of getting a hold of him.
Is there an Update in the Breena-Decklist? :)
I'm very confused by John's treasure math at the end. After casting the commander's sphere, he has 12. He then spends 2 plus 2 lands (4) to activate the theater. Then he takes 9 treasures off and taps two mana rocks to cast Marionette Master, which should only cost 6, not 11.
I don't know if that wins, but it should have been a total of 28 damage to pass around with the Master, no?
I looked at the commanders being played and knew it would be a fun game lol
Could you please get the Breena list in the description?
Breena only triggers once right since its when an opponent attacks and you only make the one attack step declaration?
Breena triggers when a player attacks one of your opponents that has more life than another. Daniel attacking John and Andrew (both had more life than Madison) triggers Breena twice.
Oh man...don't give up on Gyruda! He's one of my all time favorite (and strongest) decks. You really have to ramp tho...gotta mulligan out of any opening hands that have no ramp with him. If you just play 1 land per turn and wait until T6 to start popping off with him, it's probably too late. Man though...when that deck pops off it goes HARD
Yep I like mine out by turn 3-4 usually. It gets hated out so much though protection and counterspells are important in it.
@@joegarcia9729 yup, totally agree. Turn 3 is optimal, turn 4 at latest, and counterspells & flicker spells.are very important. My main playgroup fear the deck big time & know all about it, so the counterspells are important. I love playing at an LGS or with new people with it though who've never faced it & underestimate it, haha. They're like "ok, no big deal, a 6 cmc vanilla 6/6 with a decent etb...what's the worst that could happen". Then after his first cast & ETB trigger, everyone's libraries are half milled & they're staring at like 3 gyruda's (him, spark double, sakashima, etc) and a Jin-Gitaxis 😆. So fun...
Is there a breena deck list?
where can i find breena decklist?
Isn't Tempting Contract a may? Or did every player choose to take one every turn?
Yeah they definitely knew they didn't have to lol I think they were just feeling generous. (or confident with their board positions!) - Madison
That was a fun game!
Hey Muddstah. Great video as always! Tempting contract is a may ability, so why was everyone taking the treasure or was there a misunderstanding? My friend and I discussed this card when it was released, and get like it would never get a hit since if no opponent takes it, then you get 0. So it’s basically a dead card at that point.
John should have killed Madison by sacking treasures in response to the mirage mirror activation.
Yuuuup! 😅
I'm happy he didn't though, NGL :P :P
CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME THAT LIST ITS THE ONLY CEDH DECK WITH BREENA I CAN FIND QwQ
I need that Breena list now!
Oh joy breena and prosper : D
I love watching your videos. Just curious tho for OMA is it 5% off or 10% just curious since you say 5 but the video shows 10.. sorry to be a pain.
It's 10%. Sorry for the confusion!
@@MTGMuddstah thank you so much.
Hey Andrew, love your content bro. Can you get ahold of that Breena list?
No Breena deck list 😢
Where did Madison get the playmat?
I'll ask her!
can we get the Breena deck list?
I always hope you win in these videos because you seem to be one of the few people who tap their lands to the left
So wait. Did the Windfall actually happen (per the rules of a player losing causing their spells and abilities to cease existing on the stack)?
Is breena able to draw more then once a combat? The wording is "whenever a player attacks another player vs whenever a creature attacks a player " so im not sure it triggers per creature vs per attack step
If you attack two opponents who have more life than the third one, it's possible to get two triggers in a single combat. Obviously, this is only possible for Breena's controller.
Since Breena reads "Whenever a player attacks one of your opponents" and not "attacks one or more opponents", it would potentially trigger for each defending player as long as those defending players each meet the requirements.
So in a typical 4 player game, it can trigger up to twice per combat. I say 2 triggers in a 4 way game, because it only triggers if the defending player(s) have more life than at least one of your opponents, so it won't trigger for your lowest life opponent being a defending player. It also doesn't count you, the controller of Breena, at all, so really it can trigger twice in your combat and only once during your opponents'.
@@LadyTsunade777 wouldn't it trigger twice for your lowest health opponent attacking each of the other 2 opponents?
@@greatbrandini3967 Ah, yea, it would. I forgot that situation.
Ah okay, thanks for the clarification :)
still no chance of breena decklist?
I'm pretty sure there were about 3-4 Breena misplays, but other than that great video. Breena is super hard to pilot and you have to pay attention to so much
Can you timestamp the mistakes? It helps to show us where to improve.
Nice game!
Too bad you didn't like your deck that much Andrew. I hope to see your mistform deck again soon :)
Mistform is coming back soon enough!
it's too bad there is no breena decklist. I have a Breena deck myself, I have decided to go pillowfort with a little group hug. so long as they keep attacking each other they can draw.
No breeda deck list so sad
So no Breena list?
Awesome game! Dockside is a disgusting card though, sooo pushed
FINALLY A GYRUDA GAME!!
People are dying for this breena list. #contactdanial :(
Love ur vids, from brazil
Get that breena list!!
Tempting Contract is a may ability
Why is everyone making treasures on tempting contract? It's a may and really only just accelerates the one play way to much for my liking. I immediately pulled in from Breen's for that reason
Hold on shouldn't making the first copy of Gyruda invoked the Legend Rule?? Spark double says the copy isn't legendary, but the first one doesn't say that
Spark Double isn't a legend so it can come out it doesn't trigger the legend rule. Same goes for Sakashima from Commander Legends.
@@joegarcia9729 Glasspool Mimic doesn't have that clause though
Ok going back to the video he did it right. Casted Glasspool targeted Gyruda it died milled 4 and got Spark Double which targeted Gyruda and both stay on field.
@@joegarcia9729 ohhhh I see now. I mistook Spark for Glasspool on the field
Madison discarding underworld breach to gamble was comical. Bad luck.
Kambal, Consul of Allocation hit the field and ya'll got destroyed by him.
Is saying mother of ruins instead of mother of runes on this channel an inside joke that I've never seen the origin of?
Nope, I'm just bad at talking.
@@MTGMuddstah lol no you good. You actually have very clear enunciation! Magic has a bunch of weird fantasy nonsense words that you nail. I remember it by imagining that Mom uses rune magic to protect her children 😊
my wife does not pronounce the I in the word "ruin", making it sound like "rune". listening to you call mother of runes "mother of ruins" this game was the first time I heard it done the other way around, though.
I feel like I ought to add that this is a little thing and does not significantly detract from my enjoyment of this video.
You had a leyline but you play spells on your turn.
"Is this planned or is he just an idiot?" - Gotta keep my opponents guessing!
Spark Double cant copy Gyruda if you blink both...
Kismet enchantment is good
You didn’t like it because it wasn’t gigan. If it was gigan, it’d do better things lol. Also I have the same deck before and you really need a lot of even clone cards. I ran each one and it still felt not enough. What’s even crucial is trying to give them haste and having mirror gallery out just so you can have the army.
This is the answer. You are 10000% correct.
Tempting contract is optional. None of you had to take the treasures. Just saying. If nobody takes the treasures its a 4 mana do nothing card.
Quite right! We just got greedy.
She's Alive!??!?!
Always in our hearts.
Why is when I play tempting contract the entire table always agree to never take a treasure, to make me waste 4 mana. But every time I see other people play it, people always take the treasure.
Sounds like you play with people who know how to play the game. Just like you always pay for the one on Rystic Study.
So sad 😭 John was likely 1 turn off from a win with marionette master. It’s my favorite way to win with prosper.
A few days ago I was tinkering on a Rakdos colored deck (not prosper) with artifact tokens. Yep, Fireweaver was already on this list 😂. Can't wait to try him myself
I really liked Breena in this game. I think she is better than most people realize.
Why is prosper looks like hellboy? 🤣
And this is why dockside extortionist is $$$$. Not sure if it's even healthy for the format.
Boy, Dockside with Fireweaver out was something
Honestly it's not lol. I wouldn't cry if it got banned.
Anyone else notice the fact he said ravagan?
I'm pretty sure I had to cut out me saying "Ratigan" from the Great Mouse Detective several times.
@@MTGMuddstah At least you didn't say Ravagag. I have heard that a few times.
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Actually if you run a phantasm image or the phyrexian metamorph you loop garuda and the metamorph you could infanately loop the mill always targeting the copy creature and the garuda in ur graveyard to return and finally casting thasa or lab maniac to win the game.
Ru INS triggering
I love you man but you gotta read these cards more carefully. There’s like 16 mispronunciations a game
Sorry about that! Could you point some of them out and give the proper pronounciation?
@@MTGMuddstah most of them are pretty simple spoonerisms where you’re just switching letters. Like when you say Ravagan instead of Rag-a-van. Or mother of ruins instead of mother of roons
@@edgycircle457 Fair enough, I'll endeavor to do better!
@@MTGMuddstah I’m not trying to be a dick or anything. Just trying to be helpful
@@edgycircle457 and I didn't take it as such. I'm sincere that I'll try to be better about catching those more.
I agree that Gyruda clones is boring and linear. Same reason why Zannifar and others are "under"played. I had a Yidris with Gyruda as the companion "turbo" clones deck and it got used once maybe twice and then I took it apart. The eye rolls/ animosity isn't worth it as well. Although I do love a "free" Sire of Stagnation. Good game.