Thank you 🙏 dear Julian for another great video. Your presentations are always very exciting and even a non-professional can follow them well. Especially me with almost 6 decades on my shoulders. I never thought twice about the iPhone so another lesson learnt. Keep up your fantastic work. Take care and a Servus from an otherwise very quiet long-time subscriber here in Bavaria
Definitely surprising behavior. Excellent summary of preferred ISOs and zebra settings! Now I just need a good way to mount a variable ND to the phone.
The value of Julian as a teacher is greater to me than my distaste for Apple products. Posting this comment to get those algorithms noticing you! 💪💜 Keep it up brother!
Thank you very much for the donation!! I sadly don’t have an iPhone 16 to verify but I have the feeling the behavior is similar. You can compare the iso values and will easily spot if the image behaves the same as in the video.
Fantastic video, Julian, thank you so much. As a newbie though, other videos suggest using ND filters at 1250 ISO when shooting in bright situations. Do you recommend stopping down to 200/100/55 or use an ND at 1250/1600?
This is a very clear deep dive on a very confusing topic ! I’m a profesional videographer, and I just got myself an Iphone 15 Pro. I didn’t know it would be that confusing to get the best out of it… We would really need Blackmagic give us the option to personalize the available ISO, kind of like Cine EI from Sony. And to have Zebras defined per ISOS steps 🤔 Then this camera would be fully equiped for run and gun ☺️
This is very informative. Since iphone 16 pro and Pro Max cameras are literally the same, do those settings apply to it as well? Also if i dont shoot in HEVC but 422 HQ i should not worry about microblocking? Do the same settings apply? As i was thinking choosing 1250 iso for daylight is ideal, but looking at the footage you provided it looks horrible, and iso 55 looked best in the final comparison
Interesting findings Julian and appreciate all your work and I have not heard this anywhere else. Personally I found from quick tests, the noise levels at 1600 iso far too high for my liking for daytime with nd filters that some insist on due to Geralds findings. Also interesting you mention ETTR when some are saying you need to expose to left for iPhone 15 pro/max. After fiddling too much with the iPhone I decided to return to my Sony A1 as it seems more fun.
What you missed from his video was to only use ISO 1600 indoors and at low light. For bright daylight use ISO 55, 100, and or 200 max. Julian is spot on.
Thanks for the video. I had similar observations. Btw, have you "secured" your recommended zebra settings with extra range? Because in my findings for 55-400 ISO (on main 1x camera) absolute clipping point is ~ 82%, and for 1600 ISO ~ 96,5%, so a little bit higher than yours. What I've also found - is when using Shutter closer to 360 degrees (i.e. 1/24 or 1/25 for 24 fps), DR and clipping point breaks drastically, independently from iso.
Not sure of what you mean here… But no, a ND filter does’t change ISO’s number per se… It just reduce the light coming, mostly allowing you to use the ISOS you want, while still maintaining the 180 degree shutter rule 🙄
@@danquattro6662 Hey, it‘s purely convenience. 1600 you can easily select with a button in the app and 1250 you have to use the dial to precisely set it. As the have functionally the same image quality, 1600 ist the way to go.
I bought a variable ND filter for my 15 pro. I'd like to ask if 1600 iso is the most ideal iso for most conditions whilst I manipulate the ND filter for exposure adjustments
I guess I will stick to recording in ProRes (I use the LT 'flavor' as it seems to have the best compromise between IQ and storage space) to an external SSD- so much easier to start editing with the footage already on an external drive anyway...
Probably not unless you really need 4k 120. Video quality is going to be the same, and the ultra wide camera "upgrade" is shit. I expected better results in my low light tests, but it's about the same as 15.
Not sure of what you mean here… But no, a ND filter does’t change ISO’s number per se… It just reduce the light coming, mostly allowing you to use the ISOS you want, while still maintaining the 180 degree shutter rule 🙄
Strictly "team Android" here, but watching & liking anyway in support of Julian! 😅 (As well, i'll forward this video to two family members who recently bought the iPhone 15. 🙃)
I prefer 1250, it’s also one of the easy to reach values. I didn’t see why you said that value was worse than 1600, isn’t it identical? It almost acts like a dual iso system, I try to use 1250 when possible, outdoors, 55. I prefer ProRes 422 LT, and avoiding conversion lut’s and using cst’s or color management also helps with banding and artifacts.
And He Recommends ETTR When ISO Set Low Such As 55, 100, 200. But Many Videographers Such As Patrick Tomasso & Christian Maté Strongly Recommend ETTL - １ 〜 -２ in Any Situation ❗️ Which Do YA Think is Correct ❓ And When We Use CST WHICH ONE DO YA PREFER ❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓ Input Color Space : Rec.2020 Input Gamma : Apple Log Output Color Space : Rec.709 Output Gamma : Gamma 2.4 Input Color Space : Rec.2020 Input Gamma : Apple Log Output Color Space : DaVinci Wide Gumut Output Gamma : DaVinci Intermediate Input Color Space : Rec.2020 Input Gamma : Apple Log Output Color Space : Arri Wide Gamut 4 Output Gamma : Arri LogC 4 Input Color Space : ACES AP1 Input Gamma : Apple Log Output Color Space : Rec. 709 Output Gamma : Tec.709 Gamma 2.4 Lastly When ISO 1250 or 1600 is Adopted We Take it Understood Noise Occurs Horribly Is it Tolerable Range When We Apply Denoise Software Such as Neat Video ❓
@@xisanadu1 I always sandwich CST’s and go to DWGI, then I go out to Rec2100 (I care more about HDR) I try to expose correctly, using 1250 and VND, then I can tweak in Resolve.
No, we are talking about sensor here, regardless of what you put in front for the glass 🤷🏽♂️ But it will change depending in what camera you use (« Zoom lvl »)
Same rules apply. For the sharpest results I would stick to ISO 55, 100 and 200 with ND. If it gets too dark, I would take the ND off before jumping to ISO 1600.
Hi, Julian, sorry for asking a question unrelated to the video. Does Audient ID14 mkii have a different sound from Audient ID24? Your ID14 review was 3 years old and ID24 was 1 year old. Listening to both, they did sound extremely different. However, Audient said they should sound exactly the same. Were there any changes in recording?
very good tests, but I will say the same I said on Geralds video about the DR. All this data is very compromised because on Iphones you cant turn off noise reduction at all, so most of this data and Geralds data is based on the noise levels, which makes no sense since you dont know how much chroma denoise or even spatial noise reduction has been applied (I believe by the "oil Painting" look iphone footage has that they use spatial noise reduction but who knows) there is no way to make sense of all this data without having no way to turn all that off. "I see X amount of noise on the video X or Y" is very very relative when you don't know how much noise reduction was applied, maybe there is less noise but faces pores are all gone because of the NR for example. Gerald Also based the DR on footage with "acceptable noise levels" using the very expensive DR chart, but this chart wont show him how much NR got applied and if he lost X amount of details because of NR. Resuming, in my opinion all those tests on Iphones are compromised and the data is contaminated. This could only make sense on android that can turn off sharpening, Noise reduction and even record RAW DNGs and show you the real deal.
whats bugs me the most is that the phone designers KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING. it's no accident. Why are we as the end consumer always getting served a pile of "hidden gotcha's" with every new product that comes out?
Thank you 🙏 dear Julian for another great video. Your presentations are always very exciting and even a non-professional can follow them well. Especially me with almost 6 decades on my shoulders. I never thought twice about the iPhone so another lesson learnt. Keep up your fantastic work. Take care and a Servus from an otherwise very quiet long-time subscriber here in Bavaria
Very. Very useful information. Thanks a lot!
Very complete video, but easy to understand. Thanks man!
Definitely surprising behavior. Excellent summary of preferred ISOs and zebra settings! Now I just need a good way to mount a variable ND to the phone.
The value of Julian as a teacher is greater to me than my distaste for Apple products. Posting this comment to get those algorithms noticing you! 💪💜 Keep it up brother!
Fascinating. You took a complex topic and made it very clear!
Thanks! It's not much but I hope it adds up :) Also, I wonder if this changed with the new iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max, which I have in my hands :)
Thank you very much for the donation!! I sadly don’t have an iPhone 16 to verify but I have the feeling the behavior is similar. You can compare the iso values and will easily spot if the image behaves the same as in the video.
@@JulianKrause Sure thing! It was my pleasure. Ok, I will try! Thank you : )
Like we say in french, MERCI BEAUCOUP !
Format, narrative and relating style as clearly coherent as the information is relative, thx for applying your analytical art to the visual realm.
Just WOW! Thank you for the detailed and thorough analysis:)
Much better than just looking at some measurements like all the others
Your channel has become incredibly valuable to our community!! Great video!
Thank you. This was informative and to the point. I got my Iphone 15 promax last week and feel like I just got a huge upgrade.
Fantastic video, Julian, thank you so much.
As a newbie though, other videos suggest using ND filters at 1250 ISO when shooting in bright situations. Do you recommend stopping down to 200/100/55 or use an ND at 1250/1600?
This is a very clear deep dive on a very confusing topic !
I’m a profesional videographer, and I just got myself an Iphone 15 Pro.
I didn’t know it would be that confusing to get the best out of it…
We would really need Blackmagic give us the option to personalize the available ISO, kind of like Cine EI from Sony.
And to have Zebras defined per ISOS steps 🤔
Then this camera would be fully equiped for run and gun ☺️
Wonderful video! Thank you.
Enjoyed meeting and chatting with you at NAB! Happy to add your channel to my “resources” arsenal!
Glad to hear, was a pleasure to meet you😃
This is very informative. Since iphone 16 pro and Pro Max cameras are literally the same, do those settings apply to it as well? Also if i dont shoot in HEVC but 422 HQ i should not worry about microblocking? Do the same settings apply? As i was thinking choosing 1250 iso for daylight is ideal, but looking at the footage you provided it looks horrible, and iso 55 looked best in the final comparison
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Thank you very much!
Great video. Very informative. Thanks!!!!
for audio videos you have the live waveform in the background, so for video videos you should have a live cam feed over there lol
Great video
Thx very helpful
Do you made the test on other lens to know the clipping limit with log?
I would also love to see this
are you able to do a deep dive into false color when using apple log im finding it difficult to understand how it functions with apple log
by any chance, did you shoot the A-roll of this video with the iPhone 15 Pro, if not i'd love to see how it compares to your usual setup!
I really should have but the A-Roll is actually a Fujifilm X-S20. The iPhone will get close but the depth of field is a straight giveaway.
@@JulianKrause well, comparison for comparison's sake! want to see how close it can get, evem it may look pretty obvious.
Any way we can get rid of the noise in 1600?
Hello do you know what are the smallest ISO on the IPhone 14 Pro?
On my IPad it is 25 ISO
thank you ❤
What about iphone 16 pro?
Thanks you
Thank you so much! Will this be the same for the iPhone 16s??
Interesting findings Julian and appreciate all your work and I have not heard this anywhere else. Personally I found from quick tests, the noise levels at 1600 iso far too high for my liking for daytime with nd filters that some insist on due to Geralds findings. Also interesting you mention ETTR when some are saying you need to expose to left for iPhone 15 pro/max. After fiddling too much with the iPhone I decided to return to my Sony A1 as it seems more fun.
What you missed from his video was to only use ISO 1600 indoors and at low light. For bright daylight use ISO 55, 100, and or 200 max. Julian is spot on.
😮
Hey Julian - have you any idea if the same ISO's work for the Ultra Wide Camera and the Tele Camera?
Thanks for the video. I had similar observations. Btw, have you "secured" your recommended zebra settings with extra range? Because in my findings for 55-400 ISO (on main 1x camera) absolute clipping point is ~ 82%, and for 1600 ISO ~ 96,5%, so a little bit higher than yours.
What I've also found - is when using Shutter closer to 360 degrees (i.e. 1/24 or 1/25 for 24 fps), DR and clipping point breaks drastically, independently from iso.
Brilliant thanks!
Awesome!🎉Thank You
What if you use an ND filter does it cha he the iso numbers ?
Not sure of what you mean here…
But no, a ND filter does’t change ISO’s number per se…
It just reduce the light coming, mostly allowing you to use the ISOS you want, while still maintaining the 180 degree shutter rule 🙄
Thank you for the explanation, I still dont understand the benefit of 1600 over 1250 though.
@@danquattro6662 Hey, it‘s purely convenience. 1600 you can easily select with a button in the app and 1250 you have to use the dial to precisely set it. As the have functionally the same image quality, 1600 ist the way to go.
@@JulianKrause O maybe they updated it. My black magic camera app has 1250 and 1600 now.
Ich dachte so niedrig wie möglich die iso ist am besten?
does anyone know if we should expect the same for iphone 16 pro?
wich better iPhone 15 Pro or blackmagic with virtual productions and green chromakey ?
Can review the Sony Xperia 1 Mark VI too?
I bought a variable ND filter for my 15 pro. I'd like to ask if 1600 iso is the most ideal iso for most conditions whilst I manipulate the ND filter for exposure adjustments
What about the other two cameras? Telephoto at ISO 1600 looks very noisy and unusable
I guess I will stick to recording in ProRes (I use the LT 'flavor' as it seems to have the best compromise between IQ and storage space) to an external SSD- so much easier to start editing with the footage already on an external drive anyway...
so if i shoot on iso 55 and set zebras to 79% i should shoot right under where zebras show up then lower exposure in post ?
Correct, this gives the cleanest image :)
Hi, isn't it better than to always use ISO 1600 with an ND filter
This is actually pretty much what happens with modern dslr and mirrorless where iso just becomes a digital amplification of the signal
Do you think 16 pro is worth the upgrade over the 15 pro 😮or they are too similar 😅
Probably not unless you really need 4k 120. Video quality is going to be the same, and the ultra wide camera "upgrade" is shit. I expected better results in my low light tests, but it's about the same as 15.
@@Deatarus51 🤯
Great! Does this ISO recommendation change when I mount my (variable) ND Filter?
Not sure of what you mean here…
But no, a ND filter does’t change ISO’s number per se…
It just reduce the light coming, mostly allowing you to use the ISOS you want, while still maintaining the 180 degree shutter rule 🙄
Strictly "team Android" here, but watching & liking anyway in support of Julian! 😅
(As well, i'll forward this video to two family members who recently bought the iPhone 15. 🙃)
Could the issues be with the BlackMagic app?
I prefer 1250, it’s also one of the easy to reach values. I didn’t see why you said that value was worse than 1600, isn’t it identical? It almost acts like a dual iso system, I try to use 1250 when possible, outdoors, 55.
I prefer ProRes 422 LT, and avoiding conversion lut’s and using cst’s or color management also helps with banding and artifacts.
And He Recommends ETTR When ISO Set Low Such As 55, 100, 200.
But Many Videographers Such As Patrick Tomasso & Christian Maté Strongly Recommend ETTL - １ 〜 -２ in Any Situation ❗️
Which Do YA Think is Correct ❓
And When We Use CST WHICH ONE DO YA PREFER ❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
Input Color Space : Rec.2020
Input Gamma : Apple Log
Output Color Space : Rec.709
Output Gamma : Gamma 2.4
Input Color Space : Rec.2020
Input Gamma : Apple Log
Output Color Space : DaVinci Wide Gumut
Output Gamma : DaVinci Intermediate
Input Color Space : Rec.2020
Input Gamma : Apple Log
Output Color Space : Arri Wide Gamut 4
Output Gamma : Arri LogC 4
Input Color Space : ACES AP1
Input Gamma : Apple Log
Output Color Space : Rec. 709
Output Gamma : Tec.709 Gamma 2.4
Lastly When ISO 1250 or 1600 is Adopted We Take it Understood Noise Occurs Horribly Is it Tolerable Range When We Apply Denoise Software Such as Neat Video ❓
@@xisanadu1 I always sandwich CST’s and go to DWGI, then I go out to Rec2100 (I care more about HDR)
I try to expose correctly, using 1250 and VND, then I can tweak in Resolve.
@@MaximoJoshua
Thanks ❗️ So YA Use DaVinci's DeNoise Function ❓
@@xisanadu1 haven’t found the shots to be noisy, at all. I’m not really doing low light stuff, so indoors and daytime exterior, basically no noise.
Would that equally apply to the iPhone 16 Pro?
I'd like to know this too
Would these settings change with an anamorphic lens?
No, we are talking about sensor here, regardless of what you put in front for the glass 🤷🏽♂️
But it will change depending in what camera you use (« Zoom lvl »)
So, what ISO should I use when using ND filters in bright conditions?
Same rules apply. For the sharpest results I would stick to ISO 55, 100 and 200 with ND. If it gets too dark, I would take the ND off before jumping to ISO 1600.
@@JulianKrause I've been running some tests, and you are 100% correct. Your channel is a treasure trove, Julian.
Hi, Julian, sorry for asking a question unrelated to the video. Does Audient ID14 mkii have a different sound from Audient ID24? Your ID14 review was 3 years old and ID24 was 1 year old. Listening to both, they did sound extremely different. However, Audient said they should sound exactly the same. Were there any changes in recording?
very good tests, but I will say the same I said on Geralds video about the DR. All this data is very compromised because on Iphones you cant turn off noise reduction at all, so most of this data and Geralds data is based on the noise levels, which makes no sense since you dont know how much chroma denoise or even spatial noise reduction has been applied (I believe by the "oil Painting" look iphone footage has that they use spatial noise reduction but who knows) there is no way to make sense of all this data without having no way to turn all that off. "I see X amount of noise on the video X or Y" is very very relative when you don't know how much noise reduction was applied, maybe there is less noise but faces pores are all gone because of the NR for example. Gerald Also based the DR on footage with "acceptable noise levels" using the very expensive DR chart, but this chart wont show him how much NR got applied and if he lost X amount of details because of NR. Resuming, in my opinion all those tests on Iphones are compromised and the data is contaminated. This could only make sense on android that can turn off sharpening, Noise reduction and even record RAW DNGs and show you the real deal.
Hi, could you try the Presonus Studio 192 26x32 interface? Thank you for your channel is an important support. Greetings from Argentina.
How do I even set ISO setting for video in iPhone?
Same question. Maybe only with 3rd party software like filmic?
@@4ngeekfound it: Blackmagic Cam
whats bugs me the most is that the phone designers KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING. it's no accident. Why are we as the end consumer always getting served a pile of "hidden gotcha's" with every new product that comes out?
That's why I prefer old-school dedicated cameras. At least you know what you are getting in a product that lasts 2-3 times as long as a phone :)
staring at a prompter makes this feel a bit off
No disrespect, good video, but why an iPhone camera video on an audio channel?
the problem is simple - it's an Apple product.
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what other phone is capable of this tho?
Great video - thank you for sharing.
Thanks!