The more people that get their hands on this camera, the more people will understand just how good it is. Plenty of room to complain about the lack of native lenses, but everything you need is there for creative photography - maybe just not "professional" photography. But, as a walk around and travel camera, the EOS-M series stays true to the original beneficial claims of mirrorless being smaller and lighter. All of it's lenses are extremely compact and the 11-22, 22, and 32mm are -in my opinion- essential lenses for this camera. I wish Canon had at least considered weather sealing on some of the lenses and bodies, however.
Weather sealing plus a wide zoom lense (10-18mm) and a telephoto lens (55-250mm) both with constant aperture of at least f4, both IS and weather sealed. And, one 85mm f/1.8 prime (since Sigma has released 3 ef-m primes already). There is no reason why one could not take professional photos with Canon M series.
Kevin DiOssi The lack of image stabilization in-camera (or in any of the Canon or 3rd party) primes would be a dealbreaker for me-especially given the really high MP sensor in this. The lack of an EVF and a standard f/2.8 zoom lens (and just a lack of lenses in general) make this not something I’d want to invest $1,000s of dollars in. Canon clearly wants you in the RF ecosystem if you need a fully capable camera system-which doesn’t make this camera seem like the revolution in thinking it’s purported to be here. Canon’s is always taking two steps forward and one step back. 🙄
You forget the 15-45 lens, it sticks 50% most of the time on my m5 regardless having other better lens haha, size just motivate me to bring it wherever i go
@@marknathan7744 you'll find how incredibly irrelevant that is when you actually take photos. A photo captured on a 32mp sensor versus a 24mp sensor will still look better when normalized. People act like a lens becomes useless on 32mp! LOL
@@tyroney2 A gimbal would solve the need for IBIS. The EF-M was probably started as a part-time baby project to dabble and test the mirrorless market. The RF was their real serious attempt. If they had better foresight, they would have made RF-S system and RF. Just like what Sony and Nikon are doing. The right way. But the RF system is extremely anti-beginner friendly though. Not a single affordable budget lens at the moment. Still, this camera is a good upgrade for someone like me who's trying to move up from entry level DSLRs but can't afford a $10,000 full frame kit yet. Afterall it's just about $1200 with the adapter and you get access to all the pre-owned EF glass. No merit to buying native M glass imo. This system is probably deader than M43.
What I really like about this review is that it gives a very real-world focused perspective on it. I really don't like the "no IBIS, literally unusable, canon sucks" attitude that some people seem to have nowadays, where it's more about comparing stats than actual usage. Glad you enjoy your new camera, you certainly earned it!
Yeah.. The camera make very good photos.. I'm not interested in video or youtube, so what? Most people hate the m50 or new m6 because crop 4k or soft image quality.. Im a photographer, not video maker
I wish I could upvote this comment more than just once. It's fine if UA-camrs want to tell us how they the miss in-body stabiliser, C-log and whatever, but I am sick and tired of hearing them complain as if the world had come to an end.
A F IBIS is a feature that almost all photographers (who shoot more than one genre) rely on-especially on such a high MP crop sensor. Also, because Canon’s EF-M primes lack IS as well, getting sharp photos is made meaningfully more difficult for many. I’d hate to forgo an EVF, but that doesn’t make the camera “literally unusable.” Canon finally come out with a great sensor that beats out the competition in resolution, and they ignore a couple key features. It’s too bad, IMHO. They also have the same problem that Sony did for almost 8 long years... no f/2.8 standard zoom lens. Fuji is the only manufacturer that truly takes APS-C seriously (and even they have yet to offer IBIS in their top models). I’m sure this Canon would be fun to own, but it’d be hard to justify investing ~$2K in a system with these issues and not much expected lens support.
You have made my day right now. For some reason, I didn't realise that was a feature on my EOS R, too. You're right - it's there, and it works. Thank you so much!
Even the old M3 had it! Always found it great and missed it when I moved to Fuji. It was awesome to actually be able to take sharp pictures from bugs on moving leafs with a sigma 105mm macro and the very very very slow M3!!!
I highly recommend this camera to everyone. I brought the m6 mkii as a 2nd (b) cam on a shoot and ended up using it over my EOS R camera. Real world usage is crazy good and pisses me off because of how good it is. I shot a few underexposed shots and both raw and jpg files held up very well.
I bought this camera and put the kit lense in the cupboard and have been using the 32mm exclusively. Will now take it out for a spin as your photos are excellent.
Given the apparently killer IAF of the Sony a6400 ( not to mention the FF siblings), excellent to see Canon staying relevant to the camera market. Everyone differs in their shooting, but the IAF of this Canon , notably for people type shooting ( unlike Chris and his landscape penchant) is a huge appeal.
I use the canon M6 since a couple of years for landscape and milky way photography and I do not miss the viewfinder. About lenses, third manufacturers are covering the void that Canon can not, like Rokinon ( 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, 35mm and 50mm), Tamron (the all in one 18-200mm AF and stabilized) and Sigma with 16mm, 30mm and 56mm, 9 lenses for the m-mount, plus the native canon lens (7+9=16 options).
I used to scream at my TV every time you'd bring out the M3 for an aps-c format test with lenses, "Chris, get RID of that piece of JUNK!!!!" (I actually used a stronger word than junk). Thank you for the replacement.! Rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice! Happy Christmas, Chris!
I was completely and utterly sick and tired of my M3 by the end. It didn't age well with use. I sold it for like, £120, or something - I was glad just to get that, hehe
awesome review. Many of us don't need in depth review, we are too lazy for that. Your type or review here is just perfect. Review more cameras, please.
Great little review and same as you I love this camera. Yust bought one second hand, as new, for just 400 euros including the kit lens, great deal. Bought 2 second hand lenses, again as new, for 300 euros: 55-200mm and 28mm macro. Great travel and walkarround kit.
i think canon has two audiences in mind, people who are pretty new to cameras and wont need super sofisticated technologies or lenses, or old stand by photographers that would just need an adapter to get their precious lenses on these cameras. so they have upgrades in new products but barely ever they are absolute beasts of high resolution, new technology and performance, as long as they keep consistent with their well known qualities, these audiences will stay glad of getting a canon camera every time... for the most part at least. this is just a guess of mine though...
I still have the original M6 and love it. The 15-45mm lens is awesome and sharp. I don't think they will ever waste time trying to make a 2.8 zoom for this series though.
Canon's D+2 Highlight Tone Priority isn't double Highlight Tone Priority. It's not like Fuji's DR400. D+2 is still the same as D+, just with a slightly different tone mapping. The minimum Iso is still 200, not 400 in D+2 mode. By the way, the jpgs can capture a much higher dynamic range at the lowest contrast setting, which I combine with D+2. Canon's lower contrast settings are not like contrast settings from other cameras. You get far fewer blown out highlights with the lowest contrast setting. Therefore the lowest contrast setting also looks the best in my opinion. At the lowest contrast setting the results are more similar to the high dynamic range of Apple, Google cameras. The default contrast setting looks very unnatural.
Most APS-C sensors like that of Sony, Nikon, Pentax, Fujifilm etc have an area of 370 mm² and a crop factor of 1.5X. However Canon APS-C sensors of dSLR and mirrorless cameras are a little smaller with a surface area of 330 mm² and a crop factor of 1.6X. The full frame sensors have an area of 860 mm². So a full frame sensor is 2.6 times larger than the Canon APS-C sensor (860/330mm²). A full frame sensor with the pixel density of the Canon EOS M6 Mark II would be 86.6 MP (2.6X32.5MP). Much more than the impressive full frame e-mount Sony α7r IV 60MP.
... and that is what Canon should really do, only full frame cameras in all price classes from the 200 dollar plasticky consumer model to the high-end and pro models, and then continue optimizing one of the best lens ranges in the market. I don't care if the camera is small, I believe a certain substance benefits me.
I tell ya what the processor in this camera is nothing short of insanely fast!. I was shooting at the 200mm end through a doorway at my local camera shop & it was detecting faces side on through a small as hell time frame.
@@Aksunkuvat That's not a Sony censor. Plus a small Aps-C censor with that high of a resolution won't give you the best dr. If you want dynamic range then choose bigger sensor with lower resolution.
Nice review Chris. I am a longtime fan of the EOS M system, I have 3 of them. I have hopes that Canon will at least make a 17-55 2.8 lens in EOS M mount. The little prime lenses are great. I like the viewfinder on my M5 better than the X-T3 I use at work, it is the closest to replicating an optical viewfinder I have ever used. Have a merry Christmas!
fantastic video Christopher, Ive been wanting to upgrade from my original EOS M! im glad I held out as this camera looks incredible! I had recently spoken to Canon through their live chat and they brought me up to speed with what's changed since my EOS M and that led me to your video, I think im going to go for it!
Every EF and EFS Lens I tested on the Canon EOS 6M mark 2 is sharper than the lenses that come with this camera. So I advise everybody to buy the original canon adapter and use your old lenses. You will get way better images with less grain. Regarding the IS, the kittens has build in IS, but you have to turn the IS in the camera menu to on too for filming.
Actually I am looking forward to pair the EOS M6 Ii with Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD G2 Lens for Canon EF, of course using the adapter. Thanks for the comment.
2:12 - If you downscale the Canon cam pics to the same resolution as the Sony cam pics, you can see how much noise is due to smaller pixel area and what is due to sensor technology itself.
Get the EVF. It's excellent and keeps your nose away from the screen. I leave mine on the camera all the time. The original M6 model is a great deal at the current holiday prices. The Canon EF-S 18-135mm lens works great via the adapter.
I really like your review of this camera. Same quality as a lens review! I have the older Canon M6 and I do agree with all your pros and cons. I also agree that Canon's image sensor is a bit noisier than Sony (I had a Sony A6000 and it has a bit cleaner image overall). Anyway I like it, especially with the Viltrox speedboster and Canon EF lenses I don't feel the lack of lenses for the Canon M mount.
The lack of lenses has sort of been the go-to dismissal for the M series, but what are we really lacking now? With the Sigma trio and the Canon 22mm, you have a great set of wideish to longish primes, and the zooms are decent enough for what they are: Affordable walkaround lenses for daylight use. I guess I might feel differently if I were a pro, but I've never quite understood the appeal of fast zooms. They are big, expensive and usually much slower than primes anyway. If I were recommending a camera to a beginner today, I'd definitely consider the EOS M50. Along with the Lumix GX80, I'd say it's the best choice in the price range. M6 though, I don't know. The X-T30 a very compelling camera, and the X-E3 is seriously cheap these days.
Thank-You for this Christmas Present review Chris . I'm so curious about getting this Camera because I currently use the Canon M6 on my channel . I'm thinking about the Canon M50 or this M6 mark ii also others in consideration .
Thank you very much, Christopher, there is nothing to shame about your "mini review", and I did not enjoy it less than the DPReview's and Gordon's. About the viewfinder: I wonder, do you actually possess an EVF-DC2, and where do you have it when you are on tour with the Canon M6 Mark II?
hello again Chris. Well, I purchased mine a while ago and I'm really happy with it. I got the kit with viewfinder and lens. I also bought the adapter and I'm using all my EF lenses with it. Would be interested to hear how you are getting on having had it for a while now. Maybe a min review update using a good lens. I use mine with the EF 40mm pancake lens a lot. I have also used it with my Sigma 100 - 400 which as you cam imagine dwarfs it! I can't honestly say I've really used it a lot yet due to all the terrible weather!
Million dollar question and my big dilema: I cant choose. Help with arguments and reasons why are highly welcome. I dont do video, just images of landscape, travel and occasional macro. I dont care about which way screen tilts. All whats important to me is sharp, clean images with great dynamic range. Im not sure if its better to grab M6 mk2 body only with few lenses, OR M5 for a bargain price, actually almost 45% cheaper than M6 mk2. Will images on M6 mk2 be vastly better or less noisy than M5? Will it justify the almost double price now? Secondly, will the image quallity on them be better with EF-M or EF-S via adapter? I am into EF-M 11-22/EF-S 10-18 and EF-M 55-200/EF-S 55-250 and EF-M 28 macro/EF-S 35 macro. Which will do better quallity stills? EF-Ss are cheaper a bit too, but in case of a big image quallity difference, then price is not the important parameter. Thanks
Great review Christopher as always! But i'd prefer much cheaper m43 body like gx80 with stabilization and great 4k image (plus viltrox ef-m1 for canon glass) Have a great day!
Hi Chris. The new 32meg sensor is a good performer. There are however some great lenses out there that are now not so great with a 90D attached, and a red ring of L series doesn't offer you ant guarantees either. I'm taking pictures at hyperfocal settings that now have a visible DOF envelope. A lot of normals we have become familiar with like hand holding shooting speeds as a reciprocal of the focal length will need a rethink.
I think having a EVF that is removable is FAR FAR better than one that is permanently fixed. Not only that, you have the choice of two and the upgraded one can be found here: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IGHG774/ref=ewc_pr_img_5?smid=A3AG088RLZBPA&psc=1 One con I have not heard anyone mention is that the screen is always exposed and that lends itself to far more scratches. Other cameras like the X-S10 with it's fully articulating screen can fold in on itself which will self protect it as well as automatically turning the camera off when you do close it which is speedy and nice.
As I understand it, the Canon 4K is infact about 2.7K upscaled where as the Sony is 6K downsampled - the difference is night and day from what you've shown here
@@smaakjeks if it's true then yes it's entirely marketing because a lot of the consumer base would see be inclined to choose a different system that has 4K Vs 2.7K
Smaakjeks K it’s a consumer aimed camera, not one aimed at hobbyist or professional hybrid shooters. So 4K is something to put on the box, no matter how they get there.
I want a m50 mark ii with a viewfinder, same new sensor and the flip screen.. But most important New lenses!!! New zooms with 2.8 or maybe f 2.0 the 32mm f.1.4 shows, how great a ef - m lens could be
Hey Chris, I recently bought a 24mm 1.4 G Master lens, and I would love to send it over if you were interested in doing a review of the lens for your channel!
Dominick To be honest first gen CDAF a7 cameras don’t compare to the AF in this Canon. They might both show a box but that’s where the similarities end.
Dominick I’m not saying the AF in the a7 isn’t useful or reliable within its range of capabilities. I think the a7 is a great camera. I’d just have to say that its AF can’t really be compared to the current phase detect AF systems in most new mirrorless cameras. But-to the extent that matters for each person is very different. (I use far more manual focus glass on my a6300 and a7II, so bleeding edge AF performance isn’t a big deal to me either-even with AF glass.)
Hi Chris, first happy new 2020.i love your rewues of Canon equipment. Keep going as y do. Now have an question about 6 mark ii. What do you thing about this camera just for macro photography with ef adapter. I mean, I can't see the difference between dslr and thus small monster.
Hi Chris, thank you for the great reviews. I have just bought an EOS M6 Mark 2 with the 15-45 Kit lense. My previous camera for years has been the 5D Mark 2 with the 24-105 F4 Lense.I want to upgrade my kit lense; I would appreciate your opinion on what will be a better choice when it comes to sharpness. The EF S 17-55 F2.8 V/S EM 18-150 F3.5-6.5. I realise that the zoom range are different, and the greater range will be better for travel, but I don’t mind sacrificing range for sharpness if it is more than marginal and a much greater improvement on the kit lense. Thank you.
Thaaks for tbe mini review as always Chris, I thi k thr M6 MKii is a great camera, PS any chance you can get your hands on that new Samyang RF 14mm AF lens for a review
Hi Christopher , in addition to the kit lens on this camera what would be your next 5 lens in order to purchase. Used for video and stills, no ef glass as it is a lightweight B cam for my use. Can't decide whether 22mm or 11-22 is better. 35mm appears to be great. Then 55-200 or the 18-150.? Thanks appreciate your feedback if you get time. Cheers Chris
Great post Cristopher, does the tracking still lock on as well, when using the electronic view finder? Thanks for all you work , I wish you and your family a very merry Christmas and very prosperous New Year. all the very best.
Hello everyone, can anyone please confirm: Initial AF pt set for tracking is not available on the M50 Mark 1 & 2 ? It's too sad that it seems like the Canon Cripple Hammer is real :( I would really like to use the M50 for sports action, but I can't find any useful AF setting. Touch and drag is just not realistically working in the field when you have quick moving action...my thumb is just not precise and not quick enough. Thanks !
Hello Christopher. Nice video as usual. Do you know if the 3 lenses from Sigma in EF-M mount are ok ? There are 16mm, 30mm and 56mm. All of them in f1.4
You forgot to mention "Touch AF"..? Which I heard of it quite useful. But you have to find an EVF to try it. I got an old one (EVF-DC1, which can tilt it's head, but short eye-relief, what a shame), but my camera body's an quite ol' M6, a 24MP one. And it doesn't have that mode.
Useful mini review with the kit lense. I am looking to upgrade my 750D. I plan to use my Canon and Sigma efs lenses with the VILTROX EF-EOS M Lens adapter. Question is how well will these original lenses work on the higher resolution sensor? Would you be able to let us know your opinion. Thanks and great work!
Hi Steve, please be advise that the speedbooster, for its own nature, works only with full frame lens so it doesn't make any sense to use with efs lens.
Greetings! Great and informative video. I have a question and I would be grateful if you helped me. I am an aspiring filmmaker that would like to buy a new camera. I am thinking of a smartphone or a dedicated camera. What camera do you recommend for me to buy? Should I buy a used one maybe? My budget is less than a thousand dollars. I want my films to me cinematic looking so keep that in mind. If you would help me i would be very grateful! Thank You!
Merry Christmas Christopher ! Sorry I am not an English speaker so what does « Longing for lenses » means ? I understand your point about that the EF-M lens doesn’t have a proper telephoto lens, but with the adaptor you can mount the cheap EF-S 55-250mm, it can do the work. I’m a big fan of the Canon’s mirrorless APS-C system, all the EF-M are cheap enough, and quite good. Have a good night.
If you need to choose between your Sony A7r ii and this M6 ii? I know it's very different. But I though of upgrading my A5100 to the A7r ii. But the Canon cameras are becoming a good upgrade option.
I honestly wish Canon could just bolt an RF mount onto their APS-C cameras. Granted, it's easier for Sony to do it because the E mount isn't huge, but Nikon managed to fit their Z mount on the Z50. Then again, maybe they just haven't come up with any cheap enough lenses yet to warrant doing that.
if its a lot sharper than a 24MP camera but a little noiser you can trade some sharpness for noise reduction ..however i think if you look at other 24MP cameras at the same viewing size nios will be comparable ..also when it comes to IBIS remember there is NO other APS-c MILC that has it at this price point ,and ,,only one top end Fuji and one top end sony
M3 noisy image quality? I don't see any difference with the pictures in your video and the pictures I take with my M3 using the 22mm lens which is so much better than the 15-45. Slow autofocus? I use the touchscreen to focus and as soon as I've touched it it's focussed and makes the picture. What I don't like : the focussing is noisy! And with the 15-45 lens I hate the lock system, you have to unlock the lens before use, why?
The more people that get their hands on this camera, the more people will understand just how good it is. Plenty of room to complain about the lack of native lenses, but everything you need is there for creative photography - maybe just not "professional" photography. But, as a walk around and travel camera, the EOS-M series stays true to the original beneficial claims of mirrorless being smaller and lighter. All of it's lenses are extremely compact and the 11-22, 22, and 32mm are -in my opinion- essential lenses for this camera. I wish Canon had at least considered weather sealing on some of the lenses and bodies, however.
Weather sealing plus a wide zoom lense (10-18mm) and a telephoto lens (55-250mm) both with constant aperture of at least f4, both IS and weather sealed. And, one 85mm f/1.8 prime (since Sigma has released 3 ef-m primes already). There is no reason why one could not take professional photos with Canon M series.
Kevin DiOssi The lack of image stabilization in-camera (or in any of the Canon or 3rd party) primes would be a dealbreaker for me-especially given the really high MP sensor in this. The lack of an EVF and a standard f/2.8 zoom lens (and just a lack of lenses in general) make this not something I’d want to invest $1,000s of dollars in. Canon clearly wants you in the RF ecosystem if you need a fully capable camera system-which doesn’t make this camera seem like the revolution in thinking it’s purported to be here. Canon’s is always taking two steps forward and one step back. 🙄
You forget the 15-45 lens, it sticks 50% most of the time on my m5 regardless having other better lens haha, size just motivate me to bring it wherever i go
@@marknathan7744 you'll find how incredibly irrelevant that is when you actually take photos. A photo captured on a 32mp sensor versus a 24mp sensor will still look better when normalized. People act like a lens becomes useless on 32mp! LOL
@@tyroney2 A gimbal would solve the need for IBIS. The EF-M was probably started as a part-time baby project to dabble and test the mirrorless market. The RF was their real serious attempt. If they had better foresight, they would have made RF-S system and RF. Just like what Sony and Nikon are doing. The right way. But the RF system is extremely anti-beginner friendly though. Not a single affordable budget lens at the moment.
Still, this camera is a good upgrade for someone like me who's trying to move up from entry level DSLRs but can't afford a $10,000 full frame kit yet. Afterall it's just about $1200 with the adapter and you get access to all the pre-owned EF glass. No merit to buying native M glass imo. This system is probably deader than M43.
That honesty, that mild music in the background and that amazing, soothing voice... I love this channel so much.
What I really like about this review is that it gives a very real-world focused perspective on it.
I really don't like the "no IBIS, literally unusable, canon sucks" attitude that some people seem to have nowadays, where it's more about comparing stats than actual usage.
Glad you enjoy your new camera, you certainly earned it!
Yeah.. The camera make very good photos.. I'm not interested in video or youtube, so what? Most people hate the m50 or new m6 because crop 4k or soft image quality.. Im a photographer, not video maker
I wish I could upvote this comment more than just once.
It's fine if UA-camrs want to tell us how they the miss in-body stabiliser, C-log and whatever, but I am sick and tired of hearing them complain as if the world had come to an end.
A F IBIS is a feature that almost all photographers (who shoot more than one genre) rely on-especially on such a high MP crop sensor. Also, because Canon’s EF-M primes lack IS as well, getting sharp photos is made meaningfully more difficult for many. I’d hate to forgo an EVF, but that doesn’t make the camera “literally unusable.” Canon finally come out with a great sensor that beats out the competition in resolution, and they ignore a couple key features. It’s too bad, IMHO. They also have the same problem that Sony did for almost 8 long years... no f/2.8 standard zoom lens. Fuji is the only manufacturer that truly takes APS-C seriously (and even they have yet to offer IBIS in their top models). I’m sure this Canon would be fun to own, but it’d be hard to justify investing ~$2K in a system with these issues and not much expected lens support.
You have that same autofocus mode on the Eos r, I've been using it on weddings and it is amazing!
You have made my day right now. For some reason, I didn't realise that was a feature on my EOS R, too. You're right - it's there, and it works. Thank you so much!
@@christopherfrost thank YOU! For all the high quality videos testing all this cameras and lenses! Have a nice one!
I wonder if it’s on the RP too 🤔
@@benharris3949 that I don't know but it might be
Even the old M3 had it! Always found it great and missed it when I moved to Fuji. It was awesome to actually be able to take sharp pictures from bugs on moving leafs with a sigma 105mm macro and the very very very slow M3!!!
I highly recommend this camera to everyone.
I brought the m6 mkii as a 2nd (b) cam on a shoot and ended up using it over my EOS R camera. Real world usage is crazy good and pisses me off because of how good it is.
I shot a few underexposed shots and both raw and jpg files held up very well.
My eyes went wide when you mentioned the initial autofocus tracking.
Thanks, Chris. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Thanks for this great video. 4 years later from the release of this review I want to get one as my travel and edc
I have been using Canon M50 for over a year and I love everything about it. I'm really looking forward to get M6 ii, as my next cam.
I bought this camera and put the kit lense in the cupboard and have been using the 32mm exclusively. Will now take it out for a spin as your photos are excellent.
The 32 mp match perfectly with the EF-M 32 mm 1.4. Sharp and wonderful images. The M6ii will become a Canon best seller soon.
4:26 damn its a machinegun
Given the apparently killer IAF of the Sony a6400 ( not to mention the FF siblings), excellent to see Canon staying relevant to the camera market.
Everyone differs in their shooting, but the IAF of this Canon , notably for people type shooting ( unlike Chris and his landscape penchant) is a huge appeal.
I use the canon M6 since a couple of years for landscape and milky way photography and I do not miss the viewfinder. About lenses, third manufacturers are covering the void that Canon can not, like Rokinon ( 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, 35mm and 50mm), Tamron (the all in one 18-200mm AF and stabilized) and Sigma with 16mm, 30mm and 56mm, 9 lenses for the m-mount, plus the native canon lens (7+9=16 options).
I used to scream at my TV every time you'd bring out the M3 for an aps-c format test with lenses, "Chris, get RID of that piece of JUNK!!!!" (I actually used a stronger word than junk). Thank you for the replacement.! Rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice! Happy Christmas, Chris!
Aww, I like(d) my M3.
I was completely and utterly sick and tired of my M3 by the end. It didn't age well with use. I sold it for like, £120, or something - I was glad just to get that, hehe
perfect fit for ef 1200/5.6 handheld..
awesome review. Many of us don't need in depth review, we are too lazy for that. Your type or review here is just perfect. Review more cameras, please.
Great little review and same as you I love this camera. Yust bought one second hand, as new, for just 400 euros including the kit lens, great deal. Bought 2 second hand lenses, again as new, for 300 euros: 55-200mm and 28mm macro. Great travel and walkarround kit.
i think canon has two audiences in mind, people who are pretty new to cameras and wont need super sofisticated technologies or lenses, or old stand by photographers that would just need an adapter to get their precious lenses on these cameras. so they have upgrades in new products but barely ever they are absolute beasts of high resolution, new technology and performance, as long as they keep consistent with their well known qualities, these audiences will stay glad of getting a canon camera every time... for the most part at least.
this is just a guess of mine though...
Still true in 2023
Looking forward to seeing more ef and efm lens reviews with your new camera! Love your vids Chris, and I really enjoy using my m50.
I still have the original M6 and love it. The 15-45mm lens is awesome and sharp. I don't think they will ever waste time trying to make a 2.8 zoom for this series though.
Canon's D+2 Highlight Tone Priority isn't double Highlight Tone Priority. It's not like Fuji's DR400. D+2 is still the same as D+, just with a slightly different tone mapping. The minimum Iso is still 200, not 400 in D+2 mode. By the way, the jpgs can capture a much higher dynamic range at the lowest contrast setting, which I combine with D+2. Canon's lower contrast settings are not like contrast settings from other cameras. You get far fewer blown out highlights with the lowest contrast setting. Therefore the lowest contrast setting also looks the best in my opinion. At the lowest contrast setting the results are more similar to the high dynamic range of Apple, Google cameras. The default contrast setting looks very unnatural.
Thanks you... I often find the shadows too extreme, I test it with very little contrast in camera settings..
This camera plus the Sigma 30mm 1.4 is a little powerhouse. Add the Sigma 16mm 1.4 and you got a solid kit.
Most APS-C sensors like that of Sony, Nikon, Pentax, Fujifilm etc have an area of 370 mm² and a crop factor of 1.5X. However Canon APS-C sensors of dSLR and mirrorless cameras are a little smaller with a surface area of 330 mm² and a crop factor of 1.6X. The full frame sensors have an area of 860 mm². So a full frame sensor is 2.6 times larger than the Canon APS-C sensor (860/330mm²). A full frame sensor with the pixel density of the Canon EOS M6 Mark II would be 86.6 MP (2.6X32.5MP). Much more than the impressive full frame e-mount Sony α7r IV 60MP.
... and that is what Canon should really do, only full frame cameras in all price classes from the 200 dollar plasticky consumer model to the high-end and pro models, and then continue optimizing one of the best lens ranges in the market.
I don't care if the camera is small, I believe a certain substance benefits me.
Told me all I needed to know, in Christopher's usual concise style.
Good effort by Canon and now for some better native glass.
Have to give a like for that lovely picture of the Altar of the Lord.
I can't wait for this sensor to arrive in the M50 mk ii with possibly the next digic chip
I tell ya what the processor in this camera is nothing short of insanely fast!. I was shooting at the 200mm end through a doorway at my local camera shop & it was detecting faces side on through a small as hell time frame.
Sony's sensor doing wonders in that Canon body yet thought dnr is not what it could be. Nice to see canon stepping into 2020.
@@Aksunkuvat That's not a Sony censor. Plus a small Aps-C censor with that high of a resolution won't give you the best dr. If you want dynamic range then choose bigger sensor with lower resolution.
you are gonna be disapointed , human being from the past
Nice review Chris. I am a longtime fan of the EOS M system, I have 3 of them. I have hopes that Canon will at least make a 17-55 2.8 lens in EOS M mount. The little prime lenses are great. I like the viewfinder on my M5 better than the X-T3 I use at work, it is the closest to replicating an optical viewfinder I have ever used. Have a merry Christmas!
fantastic video Christopher, Ive been wanting to upgrade from my original EOS M! im glad I held out as this camera looks incredible! I had recently spoken to Canon through their live chat and they brought me up to speed with what's changed since my EOS M and that led me to your video, I think im going to go for it!
Can’t decide between the silver color or the black color hmm
Your usual concise review Chris, no need for me to say more! However I'd like to wish you and the family a very happy Christmas and a successful 2020
Every EF and EFS Lens I tested on the Canon EOS 6M mark 2 is sharper than the lenses that come with this camera. So I advise everybody to buy the original canon adapter and use your old lenses. You will get way better images with less grain. Regarding the IS, the kittens has build in IS, but you have to turn the IS in the camera menu to on too for filming.
Actually I am looking forward to pair the EOS M6 Ii with Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD G2 Lens for Canon EF, of course using the adapter. Thanks for the comment.
2:12 - If you downscale the Canon cam pics to the same resolution as the Sony cam pics, you can see how much noise is due to smaller pixel area and what is due to sensor technology itself.
Get the EVF. It's excellent and keeps your nose away from the screen. I leave mine on the camera all the time. The original M6 model is a great deal at the current holiday prices. The Canon EF-S 18-135mm lens works great via the adapter.
I really like your review of this camera. Same quality as a lens review! I have the older Canon M6 and I do agree with all your pros and cons. I also agree that Canon's image sensor is a bit noisier than Sony (I had a Sony A6000 and it has a bit cleaner image overall). Anyway I like it, especially with the Viltrox speedboster and Canon EF lenses I don't feel the lack of lenses for the Canon M mount.
Have a merry and creative Christmas 🎄and thank you for all the reviews
Merry Christmas!
The lack of lenses has sort of been the go-to dismissal for the M series, but what are we really lacking now? With the Sigma trio and the Canon 22mm, you have a great set of wideish to longish primes, and the zooms are decent enough for what they are: Affordable walkaround lenses for daylight use. I guess I might feel differently if I were a pro, but I've never quite understood the appeal of fast zooms. They are big, expensive and usually much slower than primes anyway. If I were recommending a camera to a beginner today, I'd definitely consider the EOS M50. Along with the Lumix GX80, I'd say it's the best choice in the price range. M6 though, I don't know. The X-T30 a very compelling camera, and the X-E3 is seriously cheap these days.
Congrats on your new toy! Happy new year 2020!
Thank-You for this Christmas Present review Chris . I'm so curious about getting this Camera because I currently use the Canon M6 on my channel . I'm thinking about the Canon M50 or this M6 mark ii also others in consideration .
Cool camera review Good work Christopher 👍🏻
Thank you very much, Christopher, there is nothing to shame about your "mini review", and I did not enjoy it less than the DPReview's and Gordon's. About the viewfinder: I wonder, do you actually possess an EVF-DC2, and where do you have it when you are on tour with the Canon M6 Mark II?
Probably in a protective pouch in your camera bag somewhere
Thank you I love canon
Nobody tests camera far better than you. Chris you are best.
Thank you for the review. I am looking to upgrade from canon eos m6 to eos m6 ii.
hello again Chris. Well, I purchased mine a while ago and I'm really happy with it. I got the kit with viewfinder and lens. I also bought the adapter and I'm using all my EF lenses with it. Would be interested to hear how you are getting on having had it for a while now. Maybe a min review update using a good lens. I use mine with the EF 40mm pancake lens a lot. I have also used it with my Sigma 100 - 400 which as you cam imagine dwarfs it! I can't honestly say I've really used it a lot yet due to all the terrible weather!
I want the Eos M5 II, NOW! ;)
Christopher are you planning on reviewing the tamron 17 -28 f2.8 ?
Waiting for the EFML lenses.
Fantastic video !
Million dollar question and my big dilema:
I cant choose. Help with arguments and reasons why are highly welcome. I dont do video, just images of landscape, travel and occasional macro. I dont care about which way screen tilts. All whats important to me is sharp, clean images with great dynamic range. Im not sure if its better to grab M6 mk2 body only with few lenses, OR M5 for a bargain price, actually almost 45% cheaper than M6 mk2. Will images on M6 mk2 be vastly better or less noisy than M5? Will it justify the almost double price now? Secondly, will the image quallity on them be better with EF-M or EF-S via adapter? I am into EF-M 11-22/EF-S 10-18 and EF-M 55-200/EF-S 55-250 and EF-M 28 macro/EF-S 35 macro. Which will do better quallity stills? EF-Ss are cheaper a bit too, but in case of a big image quallity difference, then price is not the important parameter. Thanks
Great review Christopher as always! But i'd prefer much cheaper m43 body like gx80 with stabilization and great 4k image (plus viltrox ef-m1 for canon glass) Have a great day!
I stay a generation back. Just bought the m6 with the kit, $350.:)
That's a good deal :-)
Hi Chris. The new 32meg sensor is a good performer. There are however some great lenses out there that are now not so great with a 90D attached, and a red ring of L series doesn't offer you ant guarantees either. I'm taking pictures at hyperfocal settings that now have a visible DOF envelope. A lot of normals we have become familiar with like hand holding shooting speeds as a reciprocal of the focal length will need a rethink.
Hi,
Does anybody know if the original M6 has the same incredible autofocus features?
That AF function can be found on most Sony cameras it's called Lock On AF or something like that.
Love the RZIM zoom in 😇👍.
I think having a EVF that is removable is FAR FAR better than one that is permanently fixed. Not only that, you have the choice of two and the upgraded one can be found here: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IGHG774/ref=ewc_pr_img_5?smid=A3AG088RLZBPA&psc=1 One con I have not heard anyone mention is that the screen is always exposed and that lends itself to far more scratches. Other cameras like the X-S10 with it's fully articulating screen can fold in on itself which will self protect it as well as automatically turning the camera off when you do close it which is speedy and nice.
Awesome! Thank you for this mini review 😁😁
As I understand it, the Canon 4K is infact about 2.7K upscaled where as the Sony is 6K downsampled - the difference is night and day from what you've shown here
Dave McKeegan when UA-camrs pop up on each other’s channels 😱😍
Why in the world do they bother upscaling? Why not just put 2.7K on the box and leave it there? Is it just for sake of marketing (aka lying)?
@@smaakjeks if it's true then yes it's entirely marketing because a lot of the consumer base would see be inclined to choose a different system that has 4K Vs 2.7K
Smaakjeks K it’s a consumer aimed camera, not one aimed at hobbyist or professional hybrid shooters. So 4K is something to put on the box, no matter how they get there.
@@benharris3949 and @Dave McKeegan
Well, that's just... not very nice at all.
I want a m50 mark ii with a viewfinder, same new sensor and the flip screen.. But most important New lenses!!! New zooms with 2.8 or maybe f 2.0 the 32mm f.1.4 shows, how great a ef - m lens could be
Will you be doing a review on that sigma 30 1.4 for EF-M? I have it but I want to know if my purchase of it over the canon 32 1.4 native was worth it!
Yup
@@christopherfrost One month past, we are still waiting for your review on sigma 30mm 1.4 on canon m6 ii! Thank you Chris.
@@Justin-vs9gd That review is out already - look on my channel
@@christopherfrost Thank you! What about the efm 32mm 1.4 on m6 ii? Do you have plan for that? Love you Chris!
@@Justin-vs9gd maybe someday - I'll see how many views these videos pick up :-)
Please tell me which used camera should i buy??
192 $ eos m100
368 $ eos m6 mark 2
Hey Chris, I recently bought a 24mm 1.4 G Master lens, and I would love to send it over if you were interested in doing a review of the lens for your channel!
Test it and re-review all ef-m lenses!!! Can't wait
I will be doing some special tests with it, yes
Very happy with mine, bought the kit with the EVF, and add the superb EF-M 32mm 1.4. But also use my EF tele with the adapter.
the first gen sony a7 has that same tracking feature so im sure the newer ones have it too
Dominick To be honest first gen CDAF a7 cameras don’t compare to the AF in this Canon. They might both show a box but that’s where the similarities end.
Tyler Breeden I have a sigma 35 and 135 as well and in good light it’s reliable. In the wide center af-c it’s not bad at all
Dominick I’m not saying the AF in the a7 isn’t useful or reliable within its range of capabilities. I think the a7 is a great camera. I’d just have to say that its AF can’t really be compared to the current phase detect AF systems in most new mirrorless cameras. But-to the extent that matters for each person is very different. (I use far more manual focus glass on my a6300 and a7II, so bleeding edge AF performance isn’t a big deal to me either-even with AF glass.)
Is the kit lense any good?
I used to have the M3; manual focus is faster that auto focus 😅. Never miss it lol
Are you going to review the EF-M version of the Sigma 16mm f1.4?
I'll do a quick test video to show how it performs
@@christopherfrost That's great to hear, I'm looking forward to it! Thank you so much for uploading such high quality content!
how about this setup for videos : canon m6 mark ii + speedbooster (viltrox) + sigma 17-50mm f2.8, thank you for responding me
Hi Chris thanks again for yet another great review! What would be like the combination of a speed-booster + M6 Mk2? Would be interesting!
Omg yay! About time
How come no m50 review? Its so popular?
Hi Chris, first happy new 2020.i love your rewues of Canon equipment. Keep going as y do. Now have an question about 6 mark ii. What do you thing about this camera just for macro photography with ef adapter. I mean, I can't see the difference between dslr and thus small monster.
A channel did some testing and found out there was so much pixel binning going on in 4k that it was essentially shooting 2.5k
It does fire very fast, but how bout the focus of the shots? is the auto focus speed able to keep up with the high burst?
Hi Chris, thank you for the great reviews. I have just bought an EOS M6 Mark 2 with the 15-45 Kit lense. My previous camera for years has been the 5D Mark 2 with the 24-105 F4 Lense.I want to upgrade my kit lense; I would appreciate your opinion on what will be a better choice when it comes to sharpness. The EF S 17-55 F2.8 V/S EM 18-150 F3.5-6.5. I realise that the zoom range are different, and the greater range will be better for travel, but I don’t mind sacrificing range for sharpness if it is more than marginal and a much greater improvement on the kit lense. Thank you.
I couldn't really tell you because I've never tested the 17-55 on a 24mp camera. I think they'll both be fairly similar
No EVF?
Thaaks for tbe mini review as always Chris, I thi k thr M6 MKii is a great camera, PS any chance you can get your hands on that new Samyang RF 14mm AF lens for a review
Really looking forward to the review for the SEL 70350G! That tease at 6:15 tho...
Another, wider angle lens is subtly teased in this video...
@@christopherfrost currently a sony apsc shooter so I definitely paid more attention to the telephoto lol
Thank you for the review.
Thanks for a great review (again), You mentioned that the 4K video is soft, but what about 1080p? Same story?
1080p is not bad
Hi Christopher , in addition to the kit lens on this camera what would be your next 5 lens in order to purchase. Used for video and stills, no ef glass as it is a lightweight B cam for my use. Can't decide whether 22mm or 11-22 is better. 35mm appears to be great. Then 55-200 or the 18-150.? Thanks appreciate your feedback if you get time. Cheers Chris
Was the 85 mm sharp enough for the sensor?
Great post Cristopher, does the tracking still lock on as well, when using the electronic view finder? Thanks for all you work , I wish you and your family a very merry Christmas and very prosperous New Year. all the very best.
I haven't tested it, but it certainly should do
Hello everyone, can anyone please confirm: Initial AF pt set for tracking is not available on the M50 Mark 1 & 2 ? It's too sad that it seems like the Canon Cripple Hammer is real :( I would really like to use the M50 for sports action, but I can't find any useful AF setting. Touch and drag is just not realistically working in the field when you have quick moving action...my thumb is just not precise and not quick enough. Thanks !
Hello Christopher. Nice video as usual. Do you know if the 3 lenses from Sigma in EF-M mount are ok ? There are 16mm, 30mm and 56mm. All of them in f1.4
You forgot to mention "Touch AF"..?
Which I heard of it quite useful.
But you have to find an EVF to try it.
I got an old one (EVF-DC1, which can tilt it's head, but short eye-relief, what a shame), but my camera body's an quite ol' M6, a 24MP one.
And it doesn't have that mode.
There are 10,000 things I didn't mention in this review. That's why I called it a "mini-review" :-)
Useful mini review with the kit lense. I am looking to upgrade my 750D. I plan to use my Canon and Sigma efs lenses with the VILTROX EF-EOS M Lens adapter. Question is how well will these original lenses work on the higher resolution sensor? Would you be able to let us know your opinion. Thanks and great work!
Hi Steve, please be advise that the speedbooster, for its own nature, works only with full frame lens so it doesn't make any sense to use with efs lens.
Greetings!
Great and informative video.
I have a question and I would be grateful if you helped me.
I am an aspiring filmmaker that would like to buy a new camera. I am thinking of a smartphone or a dedicated camera.
What camera do you recommend for me to buy?
Should I buy a used one maybe?
My budget is less than a thousand dollars.
I want my films to me cinematic looking so keep that in mind.
If you would help me i would be very grateful! Thank You!
Merry Christmas Christopher !
Sorry I am not an English speaker so what does « Longing for lenses » means ? I understand your point about that the EF-M lens doesn’t have a proper telephoto lens, but with the adaptor you can mount the cheap EF-S 55-250mm, it can do the work.
I’m a big fan of the Canon’s mirrorless APS-C system, all the EF-M are cheap enough, and quite good.
Have a good night.
'Longing for' means to want or to hope for. I long for new Canon EF-M lenses. Merry Christmas :-)
If own several EF-M lenses I would get this camera but I would rather get Fuji X-T30 with a Fringer Pro II adapter if I want to mount EF lenses.
All that resolution, and yet so few of their native m-mount lenses can resolve it.
If you need to choose between your Sony A7r ii and this M6 ii? I know it's very different. But I though of upgrading my A5100 to the A7r ii. But the Canon cameras are becoming a good upgrade option.
The a7R II, of course. But bear in mind it costs twice as much so they're not really comparable
I honestly wish Canon could just bolt an RF mount onto their APS-C cameras. Granted, it's easier for Sony to do it because the E mount isn't huge, but Nikon managed to fit their Z mount on the Z50.
Then again, maybe they just haven't come up with any cheap enough lenses yet to warrant doing that.
Does it also have 'sensor overheated' problem?
Nope
if its a lot sharper than a 24MP camera but a little noiser you can trade some sharpness for noise reduction ..however i think if you look at other 24MP cameras at the same viewing size nios will be comparable ..also when it comes to IBIS remember there is NO other APS-c MILC that has it at this price point ,and ,,only one top end Fuji and one top end sony
Thank you.
M3 noisy image quality? I don't see any difference with the pictures in your video and the pictures I take with my M3 using the 22mm lens which is so much better than the 15-45. Slow autofocus? I use the touchscreen to focus and as soon as I've touched it it's focussed and makes the picture. What I don't like : the focussing is noisy! And with the 15-45 lens I hate the lock system, you have to unlock the lens before use, why?
could you also review the nikon z50 please)