I think a big reason a lot of the older processors sound much better is, in those days DSP was limited, so they routed all the dry signal through analog paths instead of today most processors digitize everything including the dry signal, and it is definitely noticeable especially with high gain. Today it actually costs more to have a pure analog dry path because most companies simply digital everything through the processor.
A very important point indeed. This is why the dry signal through many of today's digital effect processors gets impoverished, pushed into artificial resonance.
The old units converted to digital. But I think quality for dollar was better back then. Thanks to steady inflation. Our dollars is worth less and less. 1000 dollars today was like 200 back then. So if you spend 3 thousand back then. It would be closer to spending 10k today.
Today H9 max is unbeatable.. But if u are working in a +4db professional audio standard, that means u most often use hard wired to patch bay and/or balanced XLR type connection which can run +4db the unbalanced 1/4 connectors on all guitar 1/4 devices is -10 db..so yes H9 sounds very close and u can adjust higher than +4. However, some studios need the 3000 for the +4 connection which matches all their other +4 machines. It's about signal to noise ratio
The H3000 has an analog crunchyness to it that‘s really cool and that the H9 has not. The algorithms may be comparable, but the H3000 totally has it‘s place.
Finally someone , match the classic h3000 with the H9’series , thanks Michael . Both Eventide rock but now we can get , eventide power in the pocket with the H9
@@geezberry8889 I could barely afford a Boss pedal . I’ve got the H3000 Factory plugin now and the tricerachorus Got them in a sale for literally a steal & the presets are awesome
Hi there!! Firts I really love the tones you achieve man, and of course the way you play. About the devices, H9 is amazing for the price but I don´t know why the 3000 has something better to my wooden ears that beats the others. Fantastic video as always
Differences matter! A LOT! It doesn't matter where something is being used. On UA-cam audio is really badly mangled down to poor MP3 quality. I can hear a TON of difference between the 3 units in this video. In person it would be way bigger than that. H9 panorama is squeezed, not wide open as the Eclipse and the H3000. The "doubling" quality of any H3000 preset is amazing, thanks to the analog MURATA filters it sports in the analog input section. Mind folks... that's the same exact filter used in the Lexicon 480! The stereo spread on Eclipse and H3000 is vastly wider and larger. No comparison. Tone? well... the H9 sounds thin, anemic, tipically pedal... a technology without much analog technology which builds a character. Eclipse and H3000? Much warmer, full of personality. Strong. Levels? Gee... big difference! Not even comparable... an instrument level thing vs. true line level dudes, with an headroom even over +20dBu? Black Hole? The one in the H9 doesn't even sound like Black Hole! Who knows what they did to it. Listen to the original one on the 2U Eventides and you'll hear a big difference. Don't stop at names! Eclipse has a Black Hole 2 and that means it's not exactly made as the original one, but it's much closer to it. Listen to the H3000 Black Hole 3 I programmed on it and you now know why people go crazy for an H3000 and are willing to pay that kind of money! www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventide_and_other_stuff/eventide_h3000.asp#audioclips
@@BigHairyGuitars I have an H3500 from Kulka’s shop. It has the kitchen sink mod, and the extra card. Loaded to the teeth in really good condition. Not sure how to get a hold of you, but if you’re serious about acquiring one, let me know.
For Amsterdam, the eclipse sounded like it had a little bit more slap back delay in the setting. I’m sure it’s the same settings just seemed pre delay was set higher.
Awesome video. I have 2 H9‘s and I like that I could add additional CORE units if I choose to, since one is MAXed. These are idea generators, it’s hard not to write a new riff as you scroll through presets. Sometimes it feels like eventides official demos are not musical or that they are just repackaging their work from decades ago, but I love how they packaged this. If you want another algorithm bust out a 20, if you don’t want to buy it, then just don’t buy it! Well played marketing to repackage their preexisting offerings.
Great Episode. Well. Guess you just pushed the price of the H3000 through the roof. Outstanding playing and sounding. H9 is really cool and the eclipse falls behind in my opinion. Your playing is so tight. Love it Brother
The Eclipse at 3:44 sounds great too. Always had one in mind after I sold a H-3000 SE years ago which I regret to this day. BTW, Always love your videos, sound & playing is Spot On.
Thanks for this video. I am a newly converted Eventide fan. I bought a H9 Max around Christmas. I got the plugins for free with it and that's a lot of fun to play around in the DAW. The H9 did a lot of great things: It filled the Blackhole shaped hole in my rig and gave me a lot of strange sounds for all kinds of purposes. Right now I am building a drawer with my essentials (Boss DD-500, Torpedo CAB, NUX Monterey Vibe - cheap but sounds awesome to me - and of course the H9) which gives me all the things I need to jam and fool around with my guitar sounds, including acoustic guitars.
Very interesting comparison! Thanks a lot. To my ears the H3000 sounds so much better (much more than I expected). Funnily I prefer the H9 to the eclipse. Next surprise... 👍
Michael, This video is incredible. I have an H90 on order but was thinking of going for a H800 , Orville or similar. Reminder that ease of use and practicality are crucial when things are close.
Nice comparison! Have considered the H9 (and now the H90) but I still have an H3000/SE that I bought back when it was released so it's fine for me in the studio. I can augment that with a few pedals if I need or a couple of other rack-mounts (Roland Dimension D / Bricasti Reverb / Lexicons etc.) . . . that said the H9/ H90 seem to be getting great reviews all over the place - I liked the clarity and slight edge it had in presence on a couple of your setting and would certainly consider for live use! 😀
It's crazy how good the H9 sounds. I feel like I'm underusing it. I definitely need to start trying out that micropitch delay. Pete Thorn and Tim Peirce interviewed a guy on their old guitar show years ago. He showed off the micropitch as a longer delay, and that sound always blew me away. I haven't been able to replicate it though.
I loves me some H3000... and some Eclipse....and the h9. Yep I dig all 3, for different applications, and situations. Really I just dig the company’s algorithms.
I had an H3000 back in 2000-01. I had an H9 Max in 2016-17. The same 3 patches I used in the H3000 (EVH pitch/chorus, Trevor Rabin/Steve Vai 5th harmonizer and Andy Summers chorus) I could get in the H9 Max with less trouble and more portability. I don’t have either anymore but I would get another H9 Max before I’d get an H3000 due to ease of use and portability. The H3000 was definitely a head-turner, though.
Excellent video! This was exactly the comparison I have been waiting for. For Eventide's next successor to the H9, I would like to see a more fully featured user interface. I agree having to break out the Ipad can get a little clunky when you just want to tweak something on the fly.
Eventide effects presets are really wet and usually too much for my liking. But once you dial the mix down to 20 to 30% or so, they sound fantastic! I think the H9 has some good presets. But I don't like the iPhone/iPad interface. The H9 omission of true analog bypass is a big issue. Having said that, I love Eventide!
Don't sleep on the 'PitchFactor' pedal either...I love mine for that stereo pitch detune thing. Know what else does that really well too?... the Keeley 30ms pedal. Hey Michael, what year is your gold es335? I really like that guitar!
I just got an H90, but I am ok with it. Some stuff is good. But that Eclipse sounds amazing. I liked the Eclipse better than all. I will get and Eclipse and a Lexicon PCM96 someday
i get your point with the iphone. but: if you have an ipad on a k&m stand in front of you, it is as convenient as it gets. i love the h9 since i bought it shortly after it was available and it is my most used effects unit, ever! the large screen makes it much more comfortable to dig into the effects and understand what you’re doing.
I've never been able to get my H9's delays to sound as good as the Eclipse or H3000. IMHO it's because the filtering on the H9 isn't the same.Depending on the Algo it’s very on or off sounding, it’s never as subtle as the Eclipse. On the rack units you can specify the exact hicut and lowcut frequencies. Also the modulation on the delays is different with just the knob instead of precise values like on the Eclipse. The H9 is a great utility pedal tho for Micro pitch and bread and butter effects. MicroPitch still sounds better on the Eclipse to my ears, but the H9 packs a lot of value.
Where I live, the Eclipse is $2000-3000, which isn't much of a discount (if any) on an H3000. I thought that some of the delays sounded a little better than the Eclipse (especially on Angelic Voices), but the H9 was pretty good and the Eclipse definitely wasn't 3-4x better. I'm very happy with my H9.
Not related to this excellent video, but I'd love to see you snag an old Eleven Rack and run it through it's paces, I feel like it remains one of the more underrated processors on the market today. (at least if you go by resale value heh)
Great video! Compared to the Eclipse the H9 has less 3D feeling. Especially the Blackhole preset shows that very much. Nevertheless the H9 does a great job for the money.
The app is both great and a pain in the ass. I have 3xH9’s so I often just have my iPad open when I’m using them and it’s much better than the phone. I wish I could use the Mac app on my computer without a cable.
The 3000's The SE like u have there... the best version... are in reality only worth about 500 bucks... make an offer... nobody in theyre right mind is shelling out even anywhere near 1000 dollars for them... they are over 30 + years old ... the components for them arent even made anymore... if something fails inside... all you have is a cool looking paper weight.... I just bought two pcm80's and a 90 for 11 hundred when the asking price was 8 and 9 hundred a piece... it is an awesome piece of gear.... but dont get yourself ripped off
So you are going guitar - ps100 (silent/line out) - interface - wall of sound to record? Then post you are sending a mono track out to the H9 and returning in stereo? Then bouncing that out for the audio? If we were to do this live would a wet/dry be the same? Or are you processing both Left and Right? Or is one side dry?
Easy to hear the quality of the H3000. Proper rack unit, power supply, high headroom, beefy analog pathway. H9 cant sound like that. Rack gear is expensive for a reason. Wide open, defined and solid with massive clarity etc.
great comparison vid , just curious how much do you feel/think the differences are down to converters/bit depth or more the algorithms at play ? given the units are from 3 different decades
Hi Michael! Have you tried the Micropitch pedal - I'm tempted, for the 5150 vibe, and a bit of Zakks NRFTW-chunk....cannot really justify the cost of an H9 for that sound alone. Cheers!
i've the feeling that h9 sound is a little bit less good than the old eventide unit i can mistake.... why haven't you tested the harmonizer which are a big part of eventide products??
Great video Michael! I actually preferred the sounds out of the H9. My fave preset is the EVH style micro pitch and I honestly? Couldn't hear a difference between the H3000 and the H9.
I liked the eclipse best.....for my needs and budget, I don’t think I’d pay the extra for the 3000.....I think the H9 would work great....all were killer
Why everybody complain about H9 edit? It so easy to edit on unit in very similar manner as eclipse. You have to know algorithms to be sure but it same for Eclipse as for H9 as well. Surprisingly Eventide is pretty consistent. Manual for Eclipse is great in comparison with H9 but still same ideas in form what is Algorithm and how setup them. Expert mode on H9 is pretty straightforward IMHO.
I really don’t know what to do or say when a piece of digital gear from 86 allegedly outperforms everything released today, you’d think even last gen multi effects could do everything and then some that the h3000 did
The issue I see with using these old rack units is what do you do if they fail or break down? Repairing them is difficult to impossible. Sadly, as much as I love them, they are a novelty and not something I'd want to use unless I knew how to duplicate the sound live with other gear readily available now.
To my ruined ears the Eclipse sound thin compared to the H9 and the H3000! I mean... not "bad" ... maybe more "Hi-Fi" and so... thin! I love the "dirt" and the "lo-fi" in the 80/90 digital ear of rack Fxs (i mean: hi-end rack fxs!)
Too close to care in my book. This isn't an analog circuit, it's digital- so the algorithms which Eventide holds copyright on are identical. Any variance would be accounted for the quality of the digital to analog converter for the output, DAC technology in the early 1980s was not nearly as good as it is today. So you can subjectively say one sounds better to your ears, that is to say, you can prefer the sound of lesser quality DAC because that's what you are use to hearing, but objectively the H9 should have a accurate signal output because of the more modern digital to analog conversion... It's amazing what people will spend on vintage technology/gear just to cover maybe a 3% gap difference.
@@BigHairyGuitars Yes, I was wondering how the Eventide H9 plugin versions compare to the originals - in the box straight up algorithm without going through the H9 pedal converters. (H9 Max owners benefitted from a free upgrade to the plugin suite late last year :) )
@@mendelrocksstudios Eventide plugins are great. I use them all of the time. The Blackhole plugin is amazing. The H3000 plugin is good. It does a great micropitchshift, but doesn’t have reverb algorithms, it only does pitch and delay. But it’s cool.
🤓EVENTIDE......THE TONE OF THEIR DEVICE'S IS NOT MY TASTE (ECLIPSE WOULD BE THE BEST OF THE BUNCH - 4 the price ) I MUCH PERFER 👍TC ELECTRONICS (more organic / natural) RACK EFFECTS ( NOT THEIR PEDAL DESIGNS )🤓TONE IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT 2ME THAN THE EFFECTS 😁CHEERS
I think a big reason a lot of the older processors sound much better is, in those days DSP was limited, so they routed all the dry signal through analog paths instead of today most processors digitize everything including the dry signal, and it is definitely noticeable especially with high gain. Today it actually costs more to have a pure analog dry path because most companies simply digital everything through the processor.
good point
A very important point indeed. This is why the dry signal through many of today's digital effect processors gets impoverished, pushed into artificial resonance.
The old units converted to digital. But I think quality for dollar was better back then. Thanks to steady inflation. Our dollars is worth less and less. 1000 dollars today was like 200 back then. So if you spend 3 thousand back then. It would be closer to spending 10k today.
Great point.. Do you know if the tc g force can be considered like the others with sort of analog dry path?
So glad you played some Amsterdam! That is my favorite tone of all time!
The 3000 is still the best. The others are good too, but still don't beat the original. Thanks for sharing!
In short: The H9 is close enough for me not to justify the extra 2k for the H3000
@@rodneyarcher4690 hack confirmed HL3
Yea me too.
Today H9 max is unbeatable.. But if u are working in a +4db professional audio standard, that means u most often use hard wired to patch bay and/or balanced XLR type connection which can run +4db the unbalanced 1/4 connectors on all guitar 1/4 devices is -10 db..so yes H9 sounds very close and u can adjust higher than +4. However, some studios need the 3000 for the +4 connection which matches all their other +4 machines.
It's about signal to noise ratio
Opens with Dann Huff - nice choice brother. That album and the tones, awesome
The H3000 has an analog crunchyness to it that‘s really cool and that the H9 has not.
The algorithms may be comparable, but the H3000 totally has it‘s place.
Finally someone , match the classic h3000 with the H9’series , thanks Michael .
Both Eventide rock but now we can get , eventide power in the pocket with the H9
I remember being a kid and seeing pics of the Η3000 Eventide in guitar magazines and dreaming to have one. I would say it is still unmatched!
absolutely. when vai, satriani were using those i was drooling. In those days you literally needed to be rich to afford one
@@geezberry8889 I could barely afford a Boss pedal . I’ve got the H3000 Factory plugin now and the tricerachorus Got them in a sale for literally a steal & the presets are awesome
Hi there!! Firts I really love the tones you achieve man, and of course the way you play. About the devices, H9 is amazing for the price but I don´t know why the 3000 has something better to my wooden ears that beats the others. Fantastic video as always
Differences matter! A LOT! It doesn't matter where something is being used. On UA-cam audio is really badly mangled down to poor MP3 quality. I can hear a TON of difference between the 3 units in this video. In person it would be way bigger than that.
H9 panorama is squeezed, not wide open as the Eclipse and the H3000. The "doubling" quality of any H3000 preset is amazing, thanks to the analog MURATA filters it sports in the analog input section. Mind folks... that's the same exact filter used in the Lexicon 480! The stereo spread on Eclipse and H3000 is vastly wider and larger. No comparison.
Tone? well... the H9 sounds thin, anemic, tipically pedal... a technology without much analog technology which builds a character. Eclipse and H3000? Much warmer, full of personality. Strong.
Levels? Gee... big difference! Not even comparable... an instrument level thing vs. true line level dudes, with an headroom even over +20dBu?
Black Hole? The one in the H9 doesn't even sound like Black Hole! Who knows what they did to it. Listen to the original one on the 2U Eventides and you'll hear a big difference. Don't stop at names!
Eclipse has a Black Hole 2 and that means it's not exactly made as the original one, but it's much closer to it. Listen to the H3000 Black Hole 3 I programmed on it and you now know why people go crazy for an H3000 and are willing to pay that kind of money! www.italodeangelis.com/it/eventide_and_other_stuff/eventide_h3000.asp#audioclips
Agreed on all points.
@@BigHairyGuitars I have an H3500 from Kulka’s shop. It has the kitchen sink mod, and the extra card. Loaded to the teeth in really good condition. Not sure how to get a hold of you, but if you’re serious about acquiring one, let me know.
For Amsterdam, the eclipse sounded like it had a little bit more slap back delay in the setting. I’m sure it’s the same settings just seemed pre delay was set higher.
Awesome video. I have 2 H9‘s and I like that I could add additional CORE units if I choose to, since one is MAXed. These are idea generators, it’s hard not to write a new riff as you scroll through presets.
Sometimes it feels like eventides official demos are not musical or that they are just repackaging their work from decades ago, but I love how they packaged this. If you want another algorithm bust out a 20, if you don’t want to buy it, then just don’t buy it!
Well played marketing to repackage their preexisting offerings.
Great comparison and killer video as always! You truly know your stuff brother!
Great Episode. Well. Guess you just pushed the price of the H3000 through the roof. Outstanding playing and sounding. H9 is really cool and the eclipse falls behind in my opinion. Your playing is so tight. Love it Brother
The Eclipse at 3:44 sounds great too. Always had one in mind after I sold a H-3000 SE years ago which I regret to this day. BTW, Always love your videos, sound & playing is Spot On.
Thanks for this video. I am a newly converted Eventide fan. I bought a H9 Max around Christmas. I got the plugins for free with it and that's a lot of fun to play around in the DAW. The H9 did a lot of great things: It filled the Blackhole shaped hole in my rig and gave me a lot of strange sounds for all kinds of purposes. Right now I am building a drawer with my essentials (Boss DD-500, Torpedo CAB, NUX Monterey Vibe - cheap but sounds awesome to me - and of course the H9) which gives me all the things I need to jam and fool around with my guitar sounds, including acoustic guitars.
Very interesting comparison! Thanks a lot. To my ears the H3000 sounds so much better (much more than I expected). Funnily I prefer the H9 to the eclipse. Next surprise... 👍
Michael,
This video is incredible. I have an H90 on order but was thinking of going for a H800 , Orville or similar. Reminder that ease of use and practicality are crucial when things are close.
Can't wait to see you on ToneTalk :)
When are you going to blow our minds with the H9000?
When they send me one for free! Hahaha. *probably not happening soon* 😭
@@BigHairyGuitars Doesn't Michael Torren have one laying around he could lend you? 🤣 For science!
@@Dejoblue haha. Not YET!
As always, awesome video man! Love that Space Blackhole tone! So deep and lush.
You kill me with Eventide goodness man!!
Nice comparison! Have considered the H9 (and now the H90) but I still have an H3000/SE that I bought back when it was released so it's fine for me in the studio. I can augment that with a few pedals if I need or a couple of other rack-mounts (Roland Dimension D / Bricasti Reverb / Lexicons etc.) . . . that said the H9/ H90 seem to be getting great reviews all over the place - I liked the clarity and slight edge it had in presence on a couple of your setting and would certainly consider for live use! 😀
It's crazy how good the H9 sounds. I feel like I'm underusing it. I definitely need to start trying out that micropitch delay. Pete Thorn and Tim Peirce interviewed a guy on their old guitar show years ago. He showed off the micropitch as a longer delay, and that sound always blew me away. I haven't been able to replicate it though.
Michael Thompson?
I loves me some H3000... and some Eclipse....and the h9. Yep I dig all 3, for different applications, and situations. Really I just dig the company’s algorithms.
Bingo!!!
I had an H3000 back in 2000-01. I had an H9 Max in 2016-17. The same 3 patches I used in the H3000 (EVH pitch/chorus, Trevor Rabin/Steve Vai 5th harmonizer and Andy Summers chorus) I could get in the H9 Max with less trouble and more portability. I don’t have either anymore but I would get another H9 Max before I’d get an H3000 due to ease of use and portability. The H3000 was definitely a head-turner, though.
Excellent video! This was exactly the comparison I have been waiting for. For Eventide's next successor to the H9, I would like to see a more fully featured user interface. I agree having to break out the Ipad can get a little clunky when you just want to tweak something on the fly.
Nice playing! Cool comparison. Been loving these rack videos you and LT have been doing.
Eventide effects presets are really wet and usually too much for my liking. But once you dial the mix down to 20 to 30% or so, they sound fantastic! I think the H9 has some good presets. But I don't like the iPhone/iPad interface. The H9 omission of true analog bypass is a big issue. Having said that, I love Eventide!
Hi Michael, interesting that you weren't so enamored with the H-8000.
Man, that Hagar-era VH sound is something I've been looking for. Do you have any Kemper packs with that sound?
Don't sleep on the 'PitchFactor' pedal either...I love mine for that stereo pitch detune thing.
Know what else does that really well too?... the Keeley 30ms pedal.
Hey Michael, what year is your gold es335? I really like that guitar!
Difference comes from the connectivity, H9 isn't designed for line levels, only instrument level.
good to compare with new eventide pedal micro pitch
I just got an H90, but I am ok with it. Some stuff is good. But that Eclipse sounds amazing. I liked the Eclipse better than all. I will get and Eclipse and a Lexicon PCM96 someday
i get your point with the iphone. but: if you have an ipad on a k&m stand in front of you, it is as convenient as it gets. i love the h9 since i bought it shortly after it was available and it is my most used effects unit, ever! the large screen makes it much more comfortable to dig into the effects and understand what you’re doing.
3000 had a bigger wider soundstage on the pitch shift but I liked the h9 more for ambient reverbs
I've never been able to get my H9's delays to sound as good as the Eclipse or H3000. IMHO it's because the filtering on the H9 isn't the same.Depending on the Algo it’s very on or off sounding, it’s never as subtle as the Eclipse. On the rack units you can specify the exact hicut and lowcut frequencies. Also the modulation on the delays is different with just the knob instead of precise values like on the Eclipse. The H9 is a great utility pedal tho for Micro pitch and bread and butter effects. MicroPitch still sounds better on the Eclipse to my ears, but the H9 packs a lot of value.
I realize I’m way late to the party, BUUUUUT, that orange guitar at 4:47… what is it? Love that tone.
H9 app for the Mac works great to edit presets on the H9. Works better then the app imo. Great vid!
Damn I thought the Eventide H9 was the pedal I needed but the H3000 clearly sounds better
I have the h3000dsx and I love it .from your video clip here ,I really like the eclipse .
Where I live, the Eclipse is $2000-3000, which isn't much of a discount (if any) on an H3000. I thought that some of the delays sounded a little better than the Eclipse (especially on Angelic Voices), but the H9 was pretty good and the Eclipse definitely wasn't 3-4x better. I'm very happy with my H9.
Great comparison! If a friend had an H3000 I would borrow it to mix/record. If I were BUYING however: the H9!
Great video!!! to me the 3000's width is un matched. It's @ almost 120 percent width. The depth h9 not bad at all.
Not related to this excellent video, but I'd love to see you snag an old Eleven Rack and run it through it's paces, I feel like it remains one of the more underrated processors on the market today. (at least if you go by resale value heh)
same for the Digitech GSP1101.
Great video! Compared to the Eclipse the H9 has less 3D feeling. Especially the Blackhole preset shows that very much.
Nevertheless the H9 does a great job for the money.
Thanks bro i appreciate it..u shd note that it is pronounced as even tide... Like no waves... Get it?
The app is both great and a pain in the ass. I have 3xH9’s so I often just have my iPad open when I’m using them and it’s much better than the phone. I wish I could use the Mac app on my computer without a cable.
The 3000's The SE like u have there... the best version... are in reality only worth about 500 bucks... make an offer... nobody in theyre right mind is shelling out even anywhere near 1000 dollars for them... they are over 30 + years old ... the components for them arent even made anymore... if something fails inside... all you have is a cool looking paper weight.... I just bought two pcm80's and a 90 for 11 hundred when the asking price was 8 and 9 hundred a piece... it is an awesome piece of gear.... but dont get yourself ripped off
So you are going guitar - ps100 (silent/line out) - interface - wall of sound to record? Then post you are sending a mono track out to the H9 and returning in stereo? Then bouncing that out for the audio?
If we were to do this live would a wet/dry be the same? Or are you processing both Left and Right? Or is one side dry?
Correct. Mono in, stereo out. To do it live you would need either 2 amps or a stereo power amp and 2 speaker cabs.
Easy to hear the quality of the H3000. Proper rack unit, power supply, high headroom, beefy analog pathway. H9 cant sound like that. Rack gear is expensive for a reason. Wide open, defined and solid with massive clarity etc.
Anyone know where I could find/buy that orange guitar in the video?
I think he made that one custom from Warmouth or a similar vendor. He has a video where he shows how he made it.
@@chandlerclement1365 Excellent! Thanks so much for the info, I really appreciate it!
Great content as always, thanks 😊 👍🏻
great comparison vid , just curious how much do you feel/think the differences are down to converters/bit depth or more the algorithms at play ? given the units are from 3 different decades
I just bought an H9 I was looking at H3000 and holy crap. So I think it's ok?? I also have a Lexicon M300. And a few other boxes.
Great Video. Thanks for posting
You can hear miniature digital robot sounds in the H9 if you listen. Mine does it too on some presets. It's more noticeable to me if I run it mono.
Hi Michael! Have you tried the Micropitch pedal - I'm tempted, for the 5150 vibe, and a bit of Zakks NRFTW-chunk....cannot really justify the cost of an H9 for that sound alone. Cheers!
I have two H9's and when set to identical settings, I can still hear a slight difference.
Maybe a mixer or eq may be the answer.
I WANT EM ALL!
also why didnt you play the Ballerina by Vai using the 3000?
i've the feeling that h9 sound is a little bit less good than the old eventide unit i can mistake.... why haven't you tested the harmonizer which are a big part of eventide products??
Great video Michael! I actually preferred the sounds out of the H9. My fave preset is the EVH style micro pitch and I honestly? Couldn't hear a difference between the H3000 and the H9.
I liked the eclipse best.....for my needs and budget, I don’t think I’d pay the extra for the 3000.....I think the H9 would work great....all were killer
h3000 hands down. H9 close in some patches as is Eclipse in others
I'm hearing a something special in the 3000. It's kinda like the diff between a modelling amp and a vintage amp.
Big Hairy Guitars needs a signature pedal called Pube Essence.
How about H90 vs H3000?
On the topic of the H8000, did you use VSIG?
Why everybody complain about H9 edit? It so easy to edit on unit in very similar manner as eclipse. You have to know algorithms to be sure but it same for Eclipse as for H9 as well. Surprisingly Eventide is pretty consistent. Manual for Eclipse is great in comparison with H9 but still same ideas in form what is Algorithm and how setup them. Expert mode on H9 is pretty straightforward IMHO.
I really don’t know what to do or say when a piece of digital gear from 86 allegedly outperforms everything released today, you’d think even last gen multi effects could do everything and then some that the h3000 did
The H9 lacks the warmth and bottom end.
I used to think it was pronounced Eventide too... but every time i called them on the phone they answered and said EEventide lol
I could find use for all, but think that 3000 may sound a bit smoother.
Gone, the voice that used to fill the room is all but gone...
H3000 = monster sound, spaces, H9 more like paper box, Eclipse thinner and more synthetic
The H3000DSE ran on 12 bit right? It hasnmore balls and magic than the H9 and the eclipse.
2:54 Giant!!!
The issue I see with using these old rack units is what do you do if they fail or break down? Repairing them is difficult to impossible. Sadly, as much as I love them, they are a novelty and not something I'd want to use unless I knew how to duplicate the sound live with other gear readily available now.
What's the Les Paul song?
It's EEventide, and if you call them on the phone and say "ehventide," they will correct you as the words exit your mouth.
I wanted this for vocals
To my ruined ears the Eclipse sound thin compared to the H9 and the H3000! I mean... not "bad" ... maybe more "Hi-Fi" and so... thin! I love the "dirt" and the "lo-fi" in the 80/90 digital ear of rack Fxs (i mean: hi-end rack fxs!)
Once and for all, is it “Evan”-tide, or “Even”-tide?
Evan
I think it’s Eeeeeeeeven, but I learned that after I filmed this video
@@BigHairyGuitars send Leon Todd a memo, but he’s Australian, he has an excuse, LOL.
AHHHH SHOW US THE BAND DELAYS AND REVERSE DELAYS
Too close to care in my book. This isn't an analog circuit, it's digital- so the algorithms which Eventide holds copyright on are identical. Any variance would be accounted for the quality of the digital to analog converter for the output, DAC technology in the early 1980s was not nearly as good as it is today. So you can subjectively say one sounds better to your ears, that is to say, you can prefer the sound of lesser quality DAC because that's what you are use to hearing, but objectively the H9 should have a accurate signal output because of the more modern digital to analog conversion... It's amazing what people will spend on vintage technology/gear just to cover maybe a 3% gap difference.
Where can I get me some of the hairy irs? 😜
if your BarefootSound monitors disappear, it was me :)
06:08 alien water kiss sounds like.. 👍
H9 plugins compared to the hardware series?
Are you asking how the Eventide plugins compare?
@@BigHairyGuitars Yes, I was wondering how the Eventide H9 plugin versions compare to the originals - in the box straight up algorithm without going through the H9 pedal converters. (H9 Max owners benefitted from a free upgrade to the plugin suite late last year :) )
@@mendelrocksstudios Eventide plugins are great. I use them all of the time. The Blackhole plugin is amazing. The H3000 plugin is good. It does a great micropitchshift, but doesn’t have reverb algorithms, it only does pitch and delay. But it’s cool.
H9 has better buffering for plugging into a guitar rig... and fits on a pedal board.
I likes the 3000 but I bet if you did a blind test you would get different results from us. :-)
whenever you plug into an H3000 you have to play 316
wow!!!! Poor H9 lol
The H9 almost sounds MONO in comparison, that is odd.
The h3000 is the winner and it is no contest
the H9 sounds very poor compared to the 3000 wow
H3000 was best.
H3000 is 2991 better, right? 😁
haha! Exactly. The problem happens when you A/B things. 😈
@@BigHairyGuitars true! Curiosity question, does mr Toren have a Rocktron Piranha? I recall that being a cool tube preamp after the voodoo valve..
@@MarshallGTV I don't think so. I have a ProGap that i'll demo at some point. But I haven't found a nicely priced Piranha or VV.
🤓EVENTIDE......THE TONE OF THEIR DEVICE'S IS NOT MY TASTE (ECLIPSE WOULD BE THE BEST OF THE BUNCH - 4 the price ) I MUCH PERFER 👍TC ELECTRONICS (more organic / natural) RACK EFFECTS ( NOT THEIR PEDAL DESIGNS )🤓TONE IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT 2ME THAN THE EFFECTS 😁CHEERS