How Episode 1: Echoes (and Act 1) works (& some very quick thoughts).
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- i know we're still in the frenzy of the final shape and being and all, but we also had the first episode launch this week and there's definitely some confusion as to what you should be doing. so, you know, i'll just tell you i guess. first impressions/review of final shape as soon as sponsor approves the ad in the video.
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>On nessus
>Midnight Coup
>Failsafe
Welcome back, Red War
Talk about deja vu 😂
there IS A PURPLE RARITY for the resources. I think they give 400 but they are rare as hell
there sure is and they sure are, i just got one this evening. was doing Expert, not sure if that influences anything. its unreal how much loot a run of Expert (so 3x chests), 1 purple datafruit (2x more chests), on top of whatever remaining datafruit was left in the bank gets you.
@@mvrk4044been telling everyone. Attempted it solo(private) and it wasn’t so fun. Definitely a nice little 15 min loot farm on Expert
Makes me wonder if there is gonna be a exotic rarity for the exotic weapon
@@mvrk4044You mean Radiolite?
_"You remember how you dunked fish into the aquarium?"_
Yes, and I want my fish back.
You probably should have mentioned, in the Enigma Protocol activity, when you get to the hold/pause/reset room, there are 3 vex spires that have ghost-scan icons on them. Scanning them gives a purple data item. When 1 is scanned, there is a little pause and then the other 2 can be. So take the 30 seconds and scan all three :)
Are the spires shared with the team? I know one person scanned one and it didnt come back. The second person left without scanning one and I could grab the last two
Had a teammate take all 3 before I could even get one. Are they shared? I didn't get any
Finally I will understand how this very complicated activity works! Thanks Datto!
🙄
While I don't think its necessarily complicated, I fail to see why I would do half of it. It's not that interesting imo, just feels like season of the splicer 2 currently
@@flufkyn8150totally agree this season is really weak(especially compared to last season coil was actually a good activity and it’s a shame it’s just gone), seems all of bungies resources got pumped into the dlc content and the season was an afterthought. Also enigma protocol sucks idk why they doubled down on the timed lightfall missions I didn’t hear anyone raving about that “oh yeah the lightfall sorry sucked but man those timed missions more of that please”
@@alexwilliamson9562well that is nothing new. First season that drops with the DLC is always bad. For BL it was season of the hunt, for witch queen was chosen, for lightfall was defiance and for this is this echo
@@spajki001WQ was Season of the Risen which was better than Plunder imo
I hope the Planet actually changes and its not restricted to the activity.
What do you mean? Nessus is the episode planet, Vex and so on
@@DerLuukee Basically outside of the current activity the original comment is hoping that we can see the changes to the planet and it won't just be tied to the seasonal content, for example how in destiny 1 the edz/cosmodrome changed after the siva events happened
@@DarkChibiWeebie exactly, like what they did with Proving Grounds. Actually changing the patrol space.
It definitely is, I was walking around & noticed you can find holograms of that new vex from the trailer and after standing in a circle it tells you to go somewhere but I couldn’t find where it told me to go. Something for a hidden quest I’m sure
@thunder5026 there's holograms yh. But none of the new plant life etc. The hologram leads you to the second seasonal activity. Enigma Protocol
The biggest annoyance with the echoes activity is there is always one player that rushes to the next objective not giving any time to harvest samples. I mean half of the loot from the activity is turning in samples at the end, and most people just can't be bothered with it.
it’s an annoying mechanic that is poorly explained in-game. bungie shouldn’t rely on outside sources to teach their players how to play
If I see a fellow guardian looking for samples I'll wait at the portal gate but yeah then you have the third guardian rushing in
@@jeremykeen7515it’s not poorly explained at all. It has its own dedicated mission and is impressed upon you multiple times. But destiny players are averse to accountability. They get confused easily but it’s also never their fault.
My favorite part about the samples and the piston is how if your teammates continue to the next area, it gives you a joining allies timer and pulls you away from looting them.
I remember them saying episodes are meant to be more cinematic and such with more cutscenes but given the nature of how episodes are structured we won’t see how it’ll turn out until act 2 I guess
Also looking at the roadmap they released like a year ago when they first announced episodes we do get a new activity each act
@@tromar5758it’s not “new” per se more like probably being 3 man activity, some battleground and 6 man activity prolly
@@DEADtoRISE08 so new activities
@@fleepdeep1706 if that what you want your narrative to be
@@fleepdeep1706I don’t consider battlegrounds new activities lol. They all play nearly the same just in different locations.
I've now seen Datto, Byf, and myself fail that jump at 04:20. It’s even funnier knowing that everyone who has attempted that jump will reposition themselves when picking up that exact material. Gotta love niche pointless details.
There is another Radiolite dunk spot that spawns at the end of the 'Breach Executable' activity as well, especially for those on the red border grind.
Isn't that exactly the same as the one in the helm though? What difference does it make?
I've always seen the piston spawn after the first encounter. Thank you for including this in your video. It feels like I'm the only person who knows about collecting radiolite. Maybe now everyone will start to catch on and not immediately rush to the next encounter or boss. I'm tired of leaving free easy loot on the table because of ill informed teammates.
Type in chat your going for them. My teams listen
@@MrHealingmonk I would but it takes an hour to type a sentence on the PS5 on screen keyboard
Wish we could get a private normal version so we can get the radiolite in peace, without having to deal with randoms ignoring them and rushing to the next encounter so you get teleported away.
Deep dives were worse but agreed
That would be a good solution. They do have an experts mode with zero match making. So you have that option as well. The radiolite farmers vs people who just want to farm the loot are not a good mix.
@@isaiahkelly8955 But Radiolite = more loot. People are just lazy
my issue with episodes being "time gated" is that it was my main complaint about seasons, i understand acts being timegated, so theres a reason to come back.
but if i want to bang out an act in 1 sitting and have the time/drive to do so, let me.
No one is stopping you from doing just that.
Wait 20/21 days for all of act 1 to release and then play it all in one sitting.
@@voltus20
The Point---------------------------------------WHOOSH
Youre Head
@@voltus20 this one of the dumbest replies I've ever seen.
The armor for the season is actually pretty crazy. The hunter ronin hat and sword on the back is awesome.
Bungie shouldn't have gone out of their way to ambiguously describe how episodes were different from seasons, otherwise 🤷♂️
How it works: pretty much like seasons
The time it’s taking for the raid thoughts is making me hyped for the raid thoughts (no rush, love you datto)
fun fact: the area in Enigma Protocol is also the Splicer area in some of the missions from Season of the Splicer. was definitely happy to be returning here, i love that season
1:31 holy shit thats a really good analogy
Played a few of these missions thus far, so thank you Datto, or else I'd keep missing those pistons.
Hopefully we get opinions for act 2 as well otherwise ill have no idea what to think
You obviously do or wouldn’t be here watching the video commenting
Get your own joke
The new gl is so nice can’t wait to try it out in gms to see how viable it is
The interaction between the GL frame and it's foundry perk definitely makes it strong, especially if you also have the reverberations perk
So good to see the Well of Flame getting used again.
Couple of things of note. If you clear ALL the security nodes in a givien area, the yellow text will say area cleared. And the higher difficulty seasonal (sorry, "episodic") activity pinnalce is currently not working as far as i can tell, and completions are not granting progress towards either the powerful engram reward for just running it or the pinnacle for 3 higher difficulty runs
For whatever reason the private fireteam option works for progress but not match-made on expert.
@@Fateless wild. Will test later. Thanks
Piston has always spawned after the first encounters for me, but it can also spawn after the second, meaning there’s a chance you can drop 2 charges in a run. The standard resource nodes seem to always spawn after completing an encounter, usually in groups of 4.
Banking data also gives Failsafe reputation
IDK if Datto has said it here, but in the Breach Executable activity, on the encounter where you're getting Arc Craniums, Void Crystals *also* work for the little data points.
I'm waiting to see the transitions between act 1 and 2 to have a major opinion on this. Week one was fun and i like the activity so im not very irked or anything.
Enigma Balls
Somehow we paused the time in the Enigma Protocol and had 6:30 left while fighting the boss. Got the triumph for a fast clear aswell. No clue how to replicate this…
I enjoy the new breach activity, reminds me of gambit but actually fun and with a few additional mechanics. My only gripe is how oblivious people are when it comes to pistons. They will just go and immediately start the fight, completely ignoring the fact that collecting as many nodes as possible gives you even more rewards. I’ve wasted a bunch of charges on my hammer because they start the activity right after I activate the piston.
Some actually find the piston, activate it, then just rush to the objective without picking up anything. The activity is not too bad, the auto-teleport is the worst thing about it...
I'm fine if Episodes just become slightly larger scale Seasons. But I would like Bungie to clarify that. If we are supposed to expect a larger shakeup of the model, week 1 doesn't show it.
There's so much I don't know about this season. I'll need to watch this again..
FYI, the piston can be after the first and/or second. I had a run with one after the first and one after the second.
I hope you’ve gotten some rest since launch!
I like how fast the activity is but it’s so boring honestly and I’ve only done the other activity one time but I can’t get progress towards my powerful engrams by completing it on harder difficulty
so pretty much the last mission. is just there if you want extra stuff....
During the Enigma Protocol activity, the power level of the enemies for me was 2020 (I am around 1950s) and they were WRECKING everyone who tried to match in. Minotaurs were taking like 4 rockets, or seemingly a dozen crit hits to die, and could one-hit you. I wonder if we'll get some kind of splicer perk eventually that makes doing that activity easier, like we did when in that wayback season..
It's also worth noting that if you wipe, you have to restart all the way from the beginning again, and it's not clear to me what constitutes a wipe event. The timer is not always visible.
noticed a bug that is possible for the time crystals in the sparrow sections to just not give additional time which is super annoying
Switching to Episodes has truly allowed Bungie to move past the limitations of Seasons and bring us a deep level of content the likes of which have never been seen.
I’ve tried going after the pinnacle rewards for doing the activity on Expert but despite platinum got no progress whatsoever.
I had a run where I had the piston spawn after the 1st encounter AND the 2nd encounter. It was Expert difficulty, but on repeat runs, I did not always have 2 pistons. Not sure if it is just chance regardless of difficulty or not.
Something weird happened the first (and only) time I did Enigma Protocol. After the second wipe to the timer (we were all underleveled) the timer turned off, and when it turned back on after the next encounter we had like 5 minutes left. The timer went back to 1 minute after the first chest (and we wiped soon after), so I don't know if it was a glitch or an intentional "mercy" mechanic. It was pretty convenient, though.
same
You ain't the only one that had a weird glitch
We couldn't add time at all to the timer
Reset multiple times but it never fixed itself to start giving us time
Same here
When this happen to my group we also had double perk rolls on every weapon drop. Then when we got to the boss we couldn't add time to the clock when we shot the yellow things.
It seems to be a bug that happens when you reboot multiple times.
Whether it's an actual bug, or an intentional mechanic, i'm not sure, since the very first prompt to enter the vex network is "glitch" into the net, so it would fit that the net becomes buggy as we tamper with it.
Yeah...still not seeing enough of a shift away from seasons to secure my purchase. I'll keep an eye out for a breakdown of episode 2 and see if things have improved.
Wait the Enigma timer is up at all times? I’ve only ever seen it appear after the first chest
I wasn’t expecting a difference in content delivery but I was expecting… something different? I don’t know what I was expecting in particular, but I’m hoping the other acts change it up some more
Can’t wait to see the “Episode 1: Echoes, the Jumpfail edition, w/ Travel Daniel”.
I wanted to update, the piston hammer part does happen twice. You can get it after both encounters. At least on expert difficulty
The first time I did Enigma Protocol the time was just at 1 minute the entire time. We made it to the room that had a rally banner but then we all hit the reset button not knowing what it did. When we restarted the timer was working correctly.
What does it do exactly? Do we press it just for a wipe, or is it like a forever grind loop every time? We also have the option to continue with the mission do I dont know what is the right thing to do.
@@accountkim6686 it killed all 3 of us and restarted from the beginning. Really don't know what the point is, maybe to get more of the time extensions?
That could be one use, but having a reset button solely for one achievement seems a little odd.
Does it drop splicer weapons too?
I thought a couple of days of this and people would catch on to the mechanics. How wrong I was. There's a reason why Raids don't have public matchmaking. Enigma protocol is even worse.
Hell yeah, new Datto vid, my new opinion is here
I’ve seen double pistons. After the first you can get it and before boss room you can get it. It I think you need the first for the second to spawn. Luckily I was with a team that was hunting for them
Cool to see the return of stuff from Season of the Splicer
Bungie are the masters at reusing
@@omensoffate True, but this is one that I actually enjoyed when it was in the game
i'm not at 2000 power yet should i wait to play Enigma Protocol?
So many reused Splicer areas. That's a kick in the teeth after TFS came out so great
I think it is better to have re-used them, because TFS "re-uses" tons of other familiar bits like the Tower. Re-using them is therefore both consistent, and helps us recognize areas to go because we're already familiar with them since we're on a timer situation =)
@ablestmage the Pale Heart was meant to be a place made of memories, so reusing destinations was expected there. This is the Vex network, which should be different from the last visit, because why would the Vex simulate a situation again in which they already lost?
So i very much have a bad feeling about episodes because why is it that after the amazingness that was final shape we get basically the seasonal model? Wasn’t this supposed to be different? It just feels like weird extra time gated seasons
I've seen the piston spawn at launch of breech executable.
I would be so down if they added more long term content like imagine we got 2 30th anniversary’s every year instead of seasons but that probably wouldn’t happen
The naming is really mouthful. What's next? 2 Episodes 2 Acts?
Episode 1: Echoes: Act 1. how hard is that
it's not really but go off
Cheers 🙃
it can definitely spawn after the first, but im fairly certain that its rng if 1/2/0 spawn during runs, because some runs i only get 1 or 0. Only a couple of my runs have had 2
From what i've played, expert version seems to guarantee 1 and has a pretty decent chance of having 2.
I didnt notice the little messages above the mission objective from various characters like failsafe and ikora basically vanguard group chat
I have seen the piston once after the first encounter. Every other time I have seen it after the second.
Will there be no playthrought of Excission?
Can you make a video on the state of the different classes?
I’ve seen multiple pistons appear, I triggered one before a boss and one of my random teammates had triggered another while I was harvesting. This was on the higher difficulty though
why is there no mention of the timer being bugged?
I like collecting like 10 resource nodes of Radiolite, only to be at 180g/200g at the end. 😂
I feel like my only real complaint about the episode so far is that I was hoping this would be a transition to more content in larger drops as opposed to small bursts every week. I've never really liked having to come back every week to see what's going on and play a tiny bit of content before being done for the week (mainly because some weeks would just be "hey nothing is actually happening in the story come back next week") and would rather have a few hours of new stuff to blow through every month or so instead.
No one is stopping you from doing exactly just that.
Wait for a few weeks and cone back for a chunk of it instead of waiting every week. The episode isn't going anywhere.
@@voltus20rewards, loot, xur. you saying ‘don’t do that’ is ignorant to the fact that we have multiple sources of powerful drops every week.
🤡@@voltus20
The amount of times that I use a hammer charge for more drops, and a random pulls me to the next encounter is unreal. The only private version is Legend. This one will go down as meh, kinda like Plunder's activity.
4:51 good luck with this sentiment in a MM version of the activity.
I'm so excited to find out my opinion, thank you Daddo!
You don’t have to watch if you don’t are of want to know…
@@jimmcmeen761 what?
@@moonwhooperseems like he’s drunk.
@@cwj2733 perhaps
@@jimmcmeen761 This is the second comment I've seen that you've done this under... For your sake I hope there isn't more...
I love DataFruit and the dream team.
Besides the extra cutscene with saint and Osiris wanting to travel this seemed almost if not the same as a week 1 season launch which these episodes were said to be different did they mean different all together or it’s different late into the episode.
Hopefully week 2 and onward are different from a season model cause in the showcase they made it look like these will be a drastic change to how the content works but in execution this is a bad first impression
It's worth noting that while pickups are shared, the rarity is random per player, which kinda sucks
4:17 did you say season?
Rare sample acquired!
Episodes just really feel like longer spread out Seasons tbh. Bungie's business plan to keep players spread out across the year instead of having a large number on launch and spikes only happening every new weekly story and season finale.
oh so i wasnt missing anything in that mid point room. It feels like that room should give us perks like in coil. Enigma Protocall is fun but the other one is boring.
Having the seasonal weapons be time gated is such a major L and you can’t convince me otherwise.
How are they timegated?
@@volks7x 4/10 of the weapons aren’t available currently with the reasoning being 3 will release in act 2 and other 3 will release in act 3. Maybe it’ll be one new weapon a week we’ll have to see on Tuesday
@@SavvyMon4
There's currently 6 seasonal weapons available, not 4.
The gl, the sword, the rocket, the scout, the auto rifle and the handcannon.
There's also 3 reprised weapons.
They'll most likely bring 2 seasonal and 3 reprised each act.
@@voltus20 forget about he scout and the HC that’s how unmoving they are. I’ll be curious to try a heal clip roll of the scout to see if works after reloading a single shot. And I’m pretty sure the only other 2 dawn weapons returning are Martyr’s and perfect paradox
@@SavvyMon4you do realise that we tend to get 6 weapons in a whole season, right?
As a returning player who hasn’t played since witch queen, what are the most important things to catch up on other than campaigns. Would onslaught be worth farming now that focusing isn’t available anymore?
I’d say try and get a good roll of “the call” from pale heart engrams(or craft it if you can), you could try farm onslaught for an endgame edge transit but I don’t think it’s very easy now you can’t focus. I’ve heard the new HELM rocket is decent with a good roll just UA-cam that if you want that
If you want an easy to run loadout that wipes pretty much everything try The Call, Sunshot & a DPS heavy. I’ve been almost exclusively running this and is great for everything
@@Keedz yeah i’ve been running the call, sun shot and a threaded needle on prismatic warlock and it’s so good
Farm onslaught, best weapons in the game
You should probably farm onslaught. Although you missed its prime (being able to target farm specific weapons, as well as bonus drops and shiny weapons (second row of perks and special ornament)), you should still run it. There’s a lot of good weapons worth getting from it.
There’s a chance to get two pistons per activity for expert I believe I’ve only ever seen one in normal
Damn this episode seems mighty similar to a season
It’s to be expected as it launched alongside the expansion. Similar to seasons that launch with expansions, they tend to be lackluster because all their time and effort is put into said expansion. The season (in this case episode) is the “after thought” but here’s hoping things get better in the following acts
Bungie said episodes were an evolution of the seasonal formula. Not a replacement for it.
We're 1 week out of 6 (per act) into the 1st act of a 3 act episode, kinda soon to cast judgement.
@@voltus20people already saying that episodes are no different from seasons, when the episode started 6 days ago. people arr actually insane
@@voltus20 ummmm because seasons had the same structure weekly lock out progress, talk to vendor , radio message. Then wait till next week it’s completely obvious it’s the same thing as a season with a different name and longer. What’s the point of “Acts” when everything is weekly progression, and not all dropped in each act?
The nodes stop working after the first part of enigma protocol though??? Game bugged??
I enjoy Datto’s subtle rage for those blueberries that do not know what they do not know.
Soooo were basically Intergalactic Stickup Boys running around strong arming Vex and taking their packs back to Failsafe?? This is starting to sound like The Wire.. I get it now!! 😅
Meteroric does not show up for my second + third characters as Mission, or anything. All went well starting everything and running a few laps on Warlock, but Titan and Hunter can only deposit Extracted samples the Warlock collects. The new Lab section remains walled-off, but one is within reach to deposiit Bio-thing, Failsafe never shows up in Helm. Only the Warlock sees Failsafe to advance ranks. All characters show ‘Ownership” of Echoes I, but no access seen in Map, except Enigma Protocol - which is blocked as both need to complete Mission:Meteoric. I’m writing this out to describe ‘symptoms’ for anyone else stymied, then sending to Bungie.
Have you completed the Final Shape campaign with the other characters?
That is the very first step of the episode's quest. You won't get any seasonal stuff until then.
You didn't go to the boss in Enigma Protocol?
Crap… didn’t know about the double perks. Just tossed em after I saw the perks without inspecting them.
The funny part is bungie saying how they heard feedback of how the seasonal model felt samey and too predictable, and said that big changes would be coming to it... just for it to end up being literally the same thing but now called episodes.
Idk how anyone could be confused on how this works, it's the same seasonal model as the past... 3-4? years.
It's similar but it's not the same.,
@@pftvfc66 I have seen absolutely zero difference outside of the cutscene.
@@pftvfc66 cap it’s still kill stuff, follow white waypoint, do what left quest activity objective says.
@@Westbrook__ You're describing the whole Destiny game in your reply. 😅That said, episodes have one huge difference from seasons, imo - There's no grid to fulfill to get buffs and perks.
I was under the impression the timegates would only be for act 1,2,3
that we could play all of the act 1 content when act 1 dropped, instead of the weekly timegated story stuff we always got
going off the high from TFS, back to the weekly seasonal slop really took the wind out of my sails
When they first announced episodes I though this was going to be like bigger chunks of content rather than the weekly time gate again. So far I don't see what's the difference between the two other than the name.
Still waiting on dattos thoughts on salvations edge worlds first raid and salvations edge in general
The game tells you where to stand for the laser thing btw
that really annoyed me, I just wanted to figure the puzzle out myself, so I spent 5 minutes trying to solve it in a way where I wasn't standing where the game was telling me to, I failed
Thank you father
So all we get are 3 Season split into 3 Acts. I would have prefered if they were more like small Dlcs and i could play through them without being timegated or anything (Within one Act of course). At least for me I can much better follow a story if it isnt split up in 5 weeks or so and i can play through it and know what is going on.
I need the raid thoughts video
A piston tower spawns after each encounter
Fruit mentioned HOUSE FRUIT 🍉🍉🍉🔥
Never will our timer go above 1:20 when we fly in from Helm, even if we shoot one that's while timers at 1:10 just goes to 1:20. We beat it but it was annoying, first time I tried time worked fine but yea was weird
It's just a visual glitch, the time still gets added.
Sometimes the timer even dissapears altogether, but it's still counting.