New South - "It wasn't a war for slavery, it was a war for state's rights." Thinking person - "The state's right to own people as slaves". New South - "Shut up".
There were people one being my ancestor Robert E. Lee who fought for the South despite not owning a single slave for some it was about defending their home state.
AnotherStatsGuy First, the North abolished slavery not because it believed blacks and whites were equal, but because 1) slavery had almost destroyed the Union, and 2) slavery was an obvious moral wrong even if black people were inferior. The average Northern racist viewed black people as perpetual children. Just because you think it's wrong to force children to do backbreaking unpaid labor, whip the skin off their backs, and sell them away from their families, does not mean that you think children should vote, hold political office, and go to the same schools as grown-ups. Southern whites had accepted the end of slavery, and many (like Andrew Johnson) were happy to see the planter elite ruined by abolition, but from top to bottom they were overwhelmingly opposed to black equality. Since neither Northern whites nor Southern whites were much interested in black civil rights, the movement was left largely to black Americans, who disagreed on how to go about it; the Booker T. Washington faction believed that industrial education and black economic progress would be needed to secure civil rights, while the W.E.B. Dubois faction believed civil rights, particularly the vote, had to come first. The Dubois faction helped found the NAACP in 1909, which vigorously attacked segregation in the courts, but up until the 1940s this was like trying to chop down a giant redwood with a pocketknife; years of litigation always ended with the courts saying, "OK, that particular separate school isn't equal" and ordering relief for one schoolful of black students, but "separate but equal" as a principle remained the law in the rest of the land. The three big things that started the Civil Rights movement going again were 1) the first Great Migration, 2) World War II, and 3) the Cold War. The Great Migration: From 1910 to 1930, over 1.6 million blacks moved out of the South to take industrial jobs in Northern cities. While the North was still no paradise of racial equality, it generally did allow blacks to vote, and thus for the first time Northern white politicians had an incentive to play for the black vote by taking up the cause of civil rights. World War II: This was the most important of all. Racism was completely morally discredited by Nazism; racial bigotry became inextricably linked with political tyranny, worldwide aggression, and death camps. The contribution of black soldiers to America's victory was also greater than ever before, and discredited both Nazi racial ideology and that of American racists. Whites in the North overwhelmingly began to reject overt racism; many in the South did too, and those who did not became increasingly embarrassed by the obvious parallels evoked by claiming that they were the master race. It was the World War II generation, Truman and Eisenhower and Earl Warren, that integrated the military, ruled school segregation unconstitutional, and showed they were ready to enforce it on a reluctant South. When Branch Rickey integrated Major League Baseball, it was the service of black soldiers that was most often mentioned to justify it; Jackie Robinson himself was a U.S. Army veteran. The Cold War: Much of the Cold War was an ideological competition between the democratic capitalist West and the Communist East. As the largest and most powerful of the democratic capitalist powers, America tried to win followers and converts by showing itself as richer, freer, more religiously tolerant, and generally a better place to live than the Communist countries. Communist claims to be a fairer and better place for the workers were undercut by the clear preference of most workers given a free choice to live in the West. But the Communists had one trump card; America's oppression of blacks. Lynching victims hanging from trees, openly rigged voting laws, squalid segregated facilities, police dogs and clubs used on peaceful demonstrators - all these were a propaganda gold mine for the Communists. World War II had already changed white Americans' moral view of racism, but the Cold War gave an extra urgency to solving the problem. Black Americans had been fighting for their civil rights from the end of the Civil War onward, but it took the Great Migration, World War II, and the Cold War to make the white majority receptive enough to civil rights for their struggle to bear fruit. Booker T. Washington, W.E.B Dubois, and Charles Hamilton Houston were just as dedicated to civil rights as Thurgood Marshall and Martin Luther King. They simply had the bad luck to live in a country where their ideas' time hadn't come yet.
TheTruthIsRacist wrong his mom was catholic as his father was. Please dont make up your own facts. She is an atheist now. Because all religion is a fairy tale
AllGuts NoGlory: Gee, you poor white trailer trash seem a LITTLE bit bitter & obsessed with something that ended OVER 150 YEARS AGO!! Get OVER it!! Get a life! Have fun! Learn more! Travel! Get friendly with people outside YOUR race! Live AND Love a little!
Traitors. By definition. Read the Constitution. There must be a Reader's Digest Condensed large type edition out there. Just because Lincoln pardoned y'all don't mean ya warn't guilty of treason. You're the ones who wanted to leave. So leave. You're a waste of bandwidth and seem to have more trouble with the English language than many of the immigrants I work with. Ooo I'm a grammar Nazi... that's better than being an ignorance Nazi. When someone is intolerant of traitors, slavers, anyone-but-me-phobes it *is* OK because it's intolerable behavior to civilized people. Calling people like Maher haters who are simply *reacting* to your hate is the ultimate projection. Killing a bunch of people in a church is bad. Executing the killer, not so much. Since the south is filled with so many righteous xians, I'm sure you are happy that I am doing unto you as you have done unto others. It was the least I could do. Now turn the other cheek and leave the US, traitorous scum. Now that'll help make America truly great again.
My biggest problem with the "southern pride" / "confederate flag" crowd is that they are celebrating treason. I simply think that it is reprehensible to celebrate the actions of traitors.
It is indeed a shame that so many died to protect the economic interests of the southern planation oligarchy. To obfuscate this reality, many have tried to concoct and disseminate alternate root causes of the Civil War and the Confederacy's reason for fighting it. Glorifying, or worse fictionalizing, the reasons behind the rebellion only serves to increase the risk that of history repeating itself.
I am sure they know the history of how the southern confederate traitors enslaved African-Americans and waged a war against the Union so they would keep on enslaving them but then they lost that war. The thing is, these terrorists do not give a hoot about the history of this nation and about the constitution. All they care about is keeping white supremacy alive and well and shoved up on our throats.
+Beachman1966 yeah, he should run back to a major metropolitan city where history and cultural shaped the world. He doesn't deserve the greatness of a trailer park fly over shithole no one cares about.
As a Brit, I understand little about what the U.S.A is about. This this guy is one of the best satirists around and helps me understand through great humour.
Honestly, I don’t have any problem with southerners flying the confederate flag. I just think they should fly the most historically accurate version: 🏳️
Then you shouldn’t have a problem with people flying the nazi flag. They’re both equal in my opinion. They represented nations that LOST the war to the USA.
When I lived in South Carolina, the daily paper - the State - would have at least one editorial a day which mentioned "the War between the States". Time to move on?
I was born in Georgia and raised in Georgia and Tennessee. I have always wondered why people stay stuck in the past around here. The Confederacy is over. I support a fully United America.
Fascinating, since one of your Congresswomen wants to "separate by red states & blue states" since "we're done." Sad part is, I agree with her. I don't want to see the south go. I just don't see a way we can live together. And I'm writing this from my desk in Texas. And when the south does go, I have to leave it, despite living in the south my entire adult life: Houston, Ft. Jackson, Miami, Austin, Ft. Hood.
@@r.c.auclair2042so because 1 congresswomen from GA is an asshole that’s the whole state’s fault. Georgia also saved the senate from republican hands in 2020 too.
When I lived in South Carolina, the daily paper had at least one editorial a day which mentioned "the War between the States". These clowns aren't allowed to move on.
Brian Battles if several states decide they have absolutely nothing in common with the rest of the country, pay most of the taxes, receive less of the benefits, and constantly have moral, social, and economic policies forced on them which they strongly disagree with, secession should take place. The tenth amendment was designed to stop this type of thing. but the federal government has overstepped its power and has become entangled in too many local matters and issues which can be handled at the state level.
Brian Battles If a portion of the United States breaks off from the union, and instills a system of limited government, low taxes, less regulation/spending freer society, you will see ALL of the wealth, production, and jobs flow like a river out of our union and into the newly formed territory. Anyone who wants to work and keep what they own would find a much better life there. There would be no tax base left in the original union to cover all of the entitlements, grants, handouts, welfare, and government programs. It would literally just be a bunch of poor liberals who would eventually be forced economically to migrate into the newer territories
As a yankee currently living in ‘jojah’, A. Men. ESPECIALLY the Germany comparison. The Nazis lost. They don’t get to ‘celebrate their cultural heritage’, or display their flag. What’s especially ironic is how fervently southerners claim to support ‘OUR’ military. The military of the ‘U’! s of a. Not the ‘C’ s of a. But doing so by, or at least at the same time as, celebrating the culture and flag of the nation that lost the war their ancestors waged against the ‘U’ s of a. Can you say ‘cognitive dissonance’?
Bill Maher will call it like he sees it and doesn't care who likes it or not. I agree that reenacting the Civil War is a bad idea in this day in time. That's like reenacting the Japanese internment camps or the Trail of Tears. I'm not saying forget what happened in the Civil War, but to relive it as if it was some kind of fantasy, is kind of disturbing to me.
The Confederate reenacters aren't "preserving" the past, they're "rewriting" the past. ALL the secessionist legislatures cite slavery as their main cause for seceding--they HAD no economy without slaves--and the war was, as Maher says, a horror in which most of the boys died of diarrhea. What sane, emotionally mature adult reenacts such literal shit?
Loganstone, this is how i've always understood this topic. As a black man, i feel that NEITHER side really cared about the wellbeing of the slaves - they only cared about the expansion of the institution itself. No one talks about Bleeding Kansas, which was the REAL opening salvo of the Civil War.
Monuments and place names glorifying Confederate heroes are all over the South, and only recently have Southerners started thinking about changing them.
Washington State is about as far from the South that you can get while still being in CONUS. Two days ago while in school in Walla Walla, a fellow student showed me a flag that she was going to buy for her son. It's half of a U.S. Flag and half of a Confederate flag. It blew me away that anyone could possibly think that's okay. Does no one remember what actually happened in the Civil War?
They say the best way to tell unpleasant truths is through humour, well Bill Maher has got that one in the bag! He cracked me up with this and I'm not even an American!
Lyndon Johnston, "I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
i'm from new jersey and stayed in texas for 7 months. holy backwards. they hated me just because i was from the north and called me yankee all the time. they were still fighting the civil war and were very isolated. they never seemed to have left texas. it was a dissapointing experience
I wish everyone knew that the Confederacy was extremely diverse. African Americans, Hispanics, Latinos, Irish, Jews, Native Americans, French Algerians, and Cubans fought for the Confederacy. Like Stand Watie, Loretta Velasquez, Santos Benavides, Moses Ezekiel, Marlboro Jones, and W.S Lewis.
As a Southerner myself, I agree with everything Bill says here. And to those that celebrate our greatest embarrassment, listen to Wanda Sykes. There’s so much great stuff from our region. Why celebrate the stupid and hideous?
A poster on a blog I was active on wrote that Gone with the Wind was an ACCURATE portrayal of the south during slavery. And how slaves were treated. All I could do was cringe.
you obviously haven't traveled there or do not come from families south of the Mason Dixon Line. Southerners are a sub-human branch of anthropoid hominid from years of inbreeding and Societal Mind Control from Baptist Pulpits. they Are All the Same. and noticeably so when removed from The South.
@@RIXRADvidz Many Southerners during and after the slavery years also thought of blacks as sub-human and treated them as so. You have that in common with them it seems.
The U.S. Civil War in 1 sentence: A 4 year war between the Union North against the Confederate South over the issue of state's rights to own slaves, with a Union victory yet a former Confederacy still unwilling to admit defeat/slavery (and its impacts) were wrong 150 years later.
@@Nathan-gd7xq So, Dr. Phil, everyone who has a strong opinion and isn't afraid to express it is "stupid" like Forrest and a "meth head"? I bet you are a real turd in the punchbowl at parties.
thumbs up for the normal southerns. to the others: you cannot go back to the 19th century... just cope with it. Fight a winnable battle for a better life BERNIE 2020
This clip should be daily mandatory viewing in every classroom in every public school across not only the states of the Old Confederacy, but also in some of the border states, such as Kain-tuk-ee, Miss-urr-ah, and Oklahoma.
I lived in southern Maryland as a damned Yankee for 30 years. Trust me, it WAS the slaveowning south and some of them would still like to be. Only thing that kept them in the Union was tens of thousand of Federal troops stationed around the capital.
As a northerner, I believe the reenactment of Civil War battles is important. It provides viewers the opportunity to realize the enormity of the conflict, the idiocy of the tactics used, and the resulting horror. If viewers gather nothing else, they begin to appreciate the absolute folly of a war that cost half a million lives.
I agree with everything you said, except for the importance of reenactments… I’m not really sure that anybody witnessing these reenactments (or participating in them) fully appreciates all the horror and waste of life, and divisions and RACISM that still prevail today - so that a handful of rich plantation owners could get fat off the backs of slaves! Poor people (read: non-slave owners) didn’t want to fight this war… But they were conscripted into it. Sound familiar? Fighting a rich man’s war FOR them… A story as old as time…
The North had slaves well into the Civil War. Contrary to popular belief, the North did not free slaves overnight. It was done on a state by state basis and took years of ratification. For example, PA started freeing slaves in 1778 but didn't abolish slavery until 1847. In 1861 the Constitution still included the Fugutive Slave Clause. The 13th Amendment wasn't passed until after the war in 1865. Which is the amendment that cancelled out the Fugitive Slave Clause. That raises the question why didn't Congress pass the 13th Amendment before the Civil War or decades beforehand. What is not talked about is the Black Codes. Yes, those were found in the South, but the North was implementing Black Codes years before the Confederacy came into existence. For example, MA passed laws that segregated the schools in the 1840's and 1850's. The South wasn't doing anything illegal or unconstitutional by having slaves or seceding. Because of provisions such as the 3/5ths and Fugutive Slave Clauses, slavery was allowed under the Constitution in 1861. Likewise, the Constitution makes no mention of secession nor does it prohibit states from seceding. The Supreme Court even chimed in on this issue. I think it was a case involving TX where it concluded that a single state may not secede, but if enough states got together as a collective whole that secession was possible. However, the Supreme Court did not conclude doing so was as an act of treason or necessarily unconstitutional.
There was some opposition in the North by vested interest to abolish slavery, so it had to go slowly. The South would have blocked that Amendment. But the main reason was that it would have precipitated a secession. This was an established fact. The battle was over the new states not covered yet by the Constitution.
***** well if the leaders say they're bad who are the working class to question it. lets not forgot that there wasn't exactly any form of widespread education back then, especially not in the south which was pretty rural compared to the industrious north
First Intidada, in a house in Hebron Hamas was founded. Soviet war in Afghanistan, in a room, A'lkaidat founded. End of the civil war, the KKK was founded. Remarkable similarity.
Nonsense! you act like everyone in the south owned slaves which is bullshit and you know it! You won't admit how you treated them when they came up north will you? You shit all over them and thousands practically starved! A lot of them were in a hell of a lot better shape than immigrants !
doggies00 ...and what the fuck do you mean "that's mostly where the second amendnent comes in..."? You do realize the 2nd amendment was ratified in 1791, right?
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geo fraz So im right, they fought for the right to own slaves... Im sure you were trying to make a point you just forgot to make it & instead made my point valid even more... They fought to keep their slaves.... Its ok mate thats how it was, YOU didnt do it, im sure if i was alive back then & was from the south i'd have done the same thats how it was back then.. But dont try to make excuses, they fought for the right to own slaves its as simple as that, the slaves didnt make the rules...
+doggies00 No. It was ratified in 1791. And the fact that I've explained twice now that the south couldn't have cared less about having slaves or not, but simply not being impoverished by decree from the very same government who legalized it decades before (3/5 human) and STILL you don't get it means you're a fucking idiot. I'm done here.
People that say this stuff is over don't understand humans,or flat out history.It's the arrogance of living in the present that makes us forget the past.
I love him and there were some pretty good laughs in this clip but I cant help but think Bill was in his prime about 3-4 years ago. the jokes and delivery arent quite as sharp as they were a few years ago imo. I almost wonder if there has been some turnover among his writing crew.
That's funny because this is the second time this week I've had to call AT&T to reconnect internet. You got them there Bill LOL It's no fun to talk to their help line operators that have too much damn attitude.
The Confederacy was extremely diverse. 50,000 blacks fought for the Confederacy like black Confederate sailor W. S Lewis from CSS Alabama www.navyandmarine.org/ondeck/1862blackCSN.htm, Cuban Woman Loretta Velasquez dressed as a man to fight for the Confederacy www.battlefields.org/learn/biographies/loreta-janeta-velazquez, Cherokee and Choctaw tribes fought for the Confederacy. The last Confederate General to stop fighting was Cherokee General Stand Watie www.battlefields.org/learn/biographies/stand-watie. 10,000 Jews fought for the Confederacy, like Moses Ezekiel. The war was fought against Northern oppression and the tariff of 1828, called the Tariff of Abominations in the South. It was the worst exploitation of the South. The North shot first at Harpers Ferry and invaded the South. The North also killed 50,000 civilians and destroyed cities like Atlanta, Vicksburg, Richmond, Nashville, and so on.
White Privilege: Getting to treat the civil war like it's Dungeons and Dragons. "Stephen shoots Cletus with his musket; roll for damage... 20. Cletus' head gets shot clean off his body; it rolls and trips the guy behind him; that man skips his next turn."
Most Southerners aren't like Bill thinks. Bill Maher lives in California and people in that state think the South is like that. In fact I talked with one man from California who asked me if everyone here has a Confederate flag on their truck and if segregation goes on here. I told him no and in California fashion he responded "Wow! That's how it looks on the TV!" Its not just California most of the urban west coast locals have preconceived beliefs about Southerners whom they never visited or seen. I know that because I was in Seattle and was asked by 3 black people if we still had segregated businesses down here. I thought they had to be joking but they really believed that because like Bill Maher, they lived their entire life inside the Liberal bubble of The West Coast.
The Waffenhut! Ach du lieber . . . They don't want to re-enact the defeat, Bill. They hope the nightmare has a different ending, and they are seriously seeking it. I lost a pretty decent friend when he got all Dixie on me and I told him to go sit someplace quiet and rewrite Pickett's charge. This whole riff is playing with fire, I tell ya.
MYSTERY READER (the original) Is it too extreme to say, even in exasperation: Let the buggers secede already, better late than never? They have already appointed themselves a Chancellor.
Conservatives always say 2 things about the civil war. It's either A) The civil war was NOT about freeing the slaves/not about slavery. It was about states rights. U have been lied to by liberal indoctrination. Or (when it suites their argument) B) African-Americans need to stop always complaining about slavery because no other democracy has done more to end slavery and white people mobilized 100s of thousands of white men and troops to end slavery and 100s of thousands died fighting to end slavery and no one else in history has done so. -- They r so twisted that they make both arguments as long as they r on different days of the week and depending on which one suites their needs at that time.
"because no other democracy has done more to end slavery" This statement is not correct. It couldn't be. When the Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863. 1834: The British Slavery Abolition Act, Legally frees 700,000 in West Indies, 20,000 in Mauritius, and 40,000 in South Africa. The exceptions, territories controlled by the East India Company and Ceylon, were liberated in 1843 when they became part of the British Empire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline To "reenact" is to act out a past event. Acting out these events, only further reminds people of those terrible times. Especially black people. I agree it was about "states rights" but the state's right to do what? Own slaves. It was a moral issue to other countries like France and UK, who remained neutral threw the civil war, but all the while considering joining the fight in favor of the US over the Confederacy. We have to completely understand what we are saying by reacting this time period. Like it was the good ol' days.
Gary Lupinacci You can debate whether Haiti ever was a "democracy" of any kind, but roughly half a million slaves won their freedom there. And the French Republic even put freeing all slaves into more than one constitution. But then Bonaparte came and fucked it all up. When he sat in St. Helena thinking about what he did wrong, he put "selling out Louverture and betraying Haiti" right on the top of the list. In that at least he was right.
What about the Mexican-American war? The Americans that came into Texas had to free any slaves they had by treaty, but they decided since their Americans they are "free" to ignore this edict. When the Mexican government decided to enforce their slavery ban they rebelled captured the Mexican leader and decided that he (not the Mexican congress) had the power to grant America Mexican land. Read what Ulysses S Grant and David Thoreau said about the Mexican war...
aoeu256 Mexican-American war? That sounds more like the war for Texas's independence. Mexican American war was fought much later, and not for those reasons.
I heard Mr. Mahr sing about her.....I heard ole Bill put her down.... I hope Bill Mahr will remember a southern man don't need him around any how..... Sweet Home Alabama....
Bill Maher's careful use of language kept him on the side of historic accuracy without actually going to the painful truth. Just as the South recast the Civil War into their "Lost Cause" nonsense, so did the North recast its role in the Civil War as noble emancipators. Let's be honest with the facts, most Northern Whites were either neutral or active enablers of slavery. The abolitionists were a noisy minority, despite being on the right side of history. Most Northern states supported a second class citizen status for "freedmen". Lincoln expressed his willingness to accept slavery in some form or another to keep the nation (we will assume "White nation") together, and only after the war went on for almost two years under the battle cry of "Hey, you can't leave" did we take on abolition. Ending slavery screwed the economy of the Southerners, whom the North hated; more than it did anything to really promote equality. It would take another century and witnessing Hitler's horrors for most Whites to question their notions of white supremacy...kind of.
It's true, the only reason the northern states abolished slavery (locally) any earlier was because they had embraced industrialization and didn't need the labor force - and were not primarily agricultural states. It's a lot less heroic than the North likes to portray it since then.
Robert Gadfly all true, but there really was this brief window of opportunity during Reconstruction. President Grant defeated the first kkk, there were African American people in all manner of public office and it really could have worked... But by 1876 it was all over and we got a century more of racist white dominance. Reconstruction is one of the great missed opportunities of history where you can only wonder "what if...?"
I don't know, laws were passed to get the Northerners to help slave catchers. If only a few Northerners were against slavery, surely entire towns wouldn't chase off slave catchers.
And the allies firebombed Hamburg and Dresden. Germany was still on the wrong side. Tough luck. History is written by the winners and none-slave owners.. Move on.
I think it's funny for anyone who says the South lost the Civil War that had a hundred years of segregation Jim Crow laws because of the federal government that was afraid to send troops back down they might have lost the battle but they won the war and I don't see anything wrong with someone celebrating their ancestors slavery is a scar that America will never get rid of but we stopped it and we should be proud of that and we should be proud of all the free black men who fought to liberate their fellow countrymen and paid horrible prices for it
Kaeben yeah, the identity and history of owning people as property. You can't celebrate the good parts that you like, and ignore the parts of history that make you uncomfortable
New South - "It wasn't a war for slavery, it was a war for state's rights."
Thinking person - "The state's right to own people as slaves".
New South - "Shut up".
@Harry Lee oh poor baby
Astroanthropoid thank you
Harry Lee fuck you traitor/coward. Confederates were worse than Al qaeda
@Harry Lee we got a degenerate here bois
There were people one being my ancestor Robert E. Lee who fought for the South despite not owning a single slave for some it was about defending their home state.
This monologue should be played to all those who still glamorizes the "southern" life of the past...
Especially the diarrhea part. That's what secession was . . . diarrhea.
As a Southerner, I have to agree with the disconnect comment. It's Amazing.
AnotherStatsGuy First, the North abolished slavery not because it believed blacks and whites were equal, but because 1) slavery had almost destroyed the Union, and 2) slavery was an obvious moral wrong even if black people were inferior. The average Northern racist viewed black people as perpetual children. Just because you think it's wrong to force children to do backbreaking unpaid labor, whip the skin off their backs, and sell them away from their families, does not mean that you think children should vote, hold political office, and go to the same schools as grown-ups. Southern whites had accepted the end of slavery, and many (like Andrew Johnson) were happy to see the planter elite ruined by abolition, but from top to bottom they were overwhelmingly opposed to black equality.
Since neither Northern whites nor Southern whites were much interested in black civil rights, the movement was left largely to black Americans, who disagreed on how to go about it; the Booker T. Washington faction believed that industrial education and black economic progress would be needed to secure civil rights, while the W.E.B. Dubois faction believed civil rights, particularly the vote, had to come first. The Dubois faction helped found the NAACP in 1909, which vigorously attacked segregation in the courts, but up until the 1940s this was like trying to chop down a giant redwood with a pocketknife; years of litigation always ended with the courts saying, "OK, that particular separate school isn't equal" and ordering relief for one schoolful of black students, but "separate but equal" as a principle remained the law in the rest of the land.
The three big things that started the Civil Rights movement going again were 1) the first Great Migration, 2) World War II, and 3) the Cold War.
The Great Migration: From 1910 to 1930, over 1.6 million blacks moved out of the South to take industrial jobs in Northern cities. While the North was still no paradise of racial equality, it generally did allow blacks to vote, and thus for the first time Northern white politicians had an incentive to play for the black vote by taking up the cause of civil rights.
World War II: This was the most important of all. Racism was completely morally discredited by Nazism; racial bigotry became inextricably linked with political tyranny, worldwide aggression, and death camps. The contribution of black soldiers to America's victory was also greater than ever before, and discredited both Nazi racial ideology and that of American racists. Whites in the North overwhelmingly began to reject overt racism; many in the South did too, and those who did not became increasingly embarrassed by the obvious parallels evoked by claiming that they were the master race. It was the World War II generation, Truman and Eisenhower and Earl Warren, that integrated the military, ruled school segregation unconstitutional, and showed they were ready to enforce it on a reluctant South. When Branch Rickey integrated Major League Baseball, it was the service of black soldiers that was most often mentioned to justify it; Jackie Robinson himself was a U.S. Army veteran.
The Cold War: Much of the Cold War was an ideological competition between the democratic capitalist West and the Communist East. As the largest and most powerful of the democratic capitalist powers, America tried to win followers and converts by showing itself as richer, freer, more religiously tolerant, and generally a better place to live than the Communist countries. Communist claims to be a fairer and better place for the workers were undercut by the clear preference of most workers given a free choice to live in the West. But the Communists had one trump card; America's oppression of blacks. Lynching victims hanging from trees, openly rigged voting laws, squalid segregated facilities, police dogs and clubs used on peaceful demonstrators - all these were a propaganda gold mine for the Communists. World War II had already changed white Americans' moral view of racism, but the Cold War gave an extra urgency to solving the problem.
Black Americans had been fighting for their civil rights from the end of the Civil War onward, but it took the Great Migration, World War II, and the Cold War to make the white majority receptive enough to civil rights for their struggle to bear fruit. Booker T. Washington, W.E.B Dubois, and Charles Hamilton Houston were just as dedicated to civil rights as Thurgood Marshall and Martin Luther King. They simply had the bad luck to live in a country where their ideas' time hadn't come yet.
TheTruthIsRacist wrong his mom was catholic as his father was. Please dont make up your own facts. She is an atheist now. Because all religion is a fairy tale
I agree. I love the south, but some of our fellow southerners just, I don't even know man. They're out there, I guess is what I'm saying.
AllGuts NoGlory: Gee, you poor white trailer trash seem a LITTLE bit bitter & obsessed with something that ended OVER 150 YEARS AGO!! Get OVER it!! Get a life! Have fun! Learn more! Travel! Get friendly with people outside YOUR race! Live AND Love a little!
That is what everyone says, until the go into combat which I'm sure you will never see except on your PS4 which isn't the same.
Semper Fi
Slavery lasts 250 years: GET OVER IT!
Confederacy lasts 5 years: NEVER FORGET!
slavery is thousands of years old..
Traitors. By definition. Read the Constitution. There must be a Reader's Digest Condensed large type edition out there. Just because Lincoln pardoned y'all don't mean ya warn't guilty of treason.
You're the ones who wanted to leave. So leave. You're a waste of bandwidth and seem to have more trouble with the English language than many of the immigrants I work with. Ooo I'm a grammar Nazi... that's better than being an ignorance Nazi.
When someone is intolerant of traitors, slavers, anyone-but-me-phobes it *is* OK because it's intolerable behavior to civilized people.
Calling people like Maher haters who are simply *reacting* to your hate is the ultimate projection. Killing a bunch of people in a church is bad. Executing the killer, not so much.
Since the south is filled with so many righteous xians, I'm sure you are happy that I am doing unto you as you have done unto others. It was the least I could do. Now turn the other cheek and leave the US, traitorous scum. Now that'll help make America truly great again.
Nigel Straw you can very literally use that same argument the other way around
My biggest problem with the "southern pride" / "confederate flag" crowd is that they are celebrating treason. I simply think that it is reprehensible to celebrate the actions of traitors.
It is indeed a shame that so many died to protect the economic interests of the southern planation oligarchy. To obfuscate this reality, many have tried to concoct and disseminate alternate root causes of the Civil War and the Confederacy's reason for fighting it.
Glorifying, or worse fictionalizing, the reasons behind the rebellion only serves to increase the risk that of history repeating itself.
Damn, wish the capitol terrorists had heard this bit . . . .
I am sure they know the history of how the southern confederate traitors enslaved African-Americans and waged a war against the Union so they would keep on enslaving them but then they lost that war. The thing is, these terrorists do not give a hoot about the history of this nation and about the constitution. All they care about is keeping white supremacy alive and well and shoved up on our throats.
As a person living in Alabama. .. this is pretty much spot on
John Kochen The fate of....?
Hey Javi, you're just another scumbag Yankee carpetbagger. Go back to New York where you belong. Spanish Harlem is calling your name!
+Beachman1966 yeah, he should run back to a major metropolitan city where history and cultural shaped the world. He doesn't deserve the greatness of a trailer park fly over shithole no one cares about.
Must not be a southerner lol
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Bill's "Gone with the Wind" joke was the perfect closer for this segment.
As a Brit, I understand little about what the U.S.A is about. This this guy is one of the best satirists around and helps me understand through great humour.
He always cuts right through the bullshit, peals it back and exposes the point to the glare of sunshine it needs and deserves.
That was an awesome comment you made and spot on I agree 100% 💯
"Lucius Meriwether Cornpone fought bravely at the Battle of Who Gives a Shit." LMAO
This chap is brilliant!
Kmsl
And so they elected "Beauregard Trump." This is a drowning South, going down for the third time. (1850, 1965 and now.)
Honestly, I don’t have any problem with southerners flying the confederate flag. I just think they should fly the most historically accurate version: 🏳️
Ninja Please eat shit dingleberry brain
Genghis Khan - It’s a joke, not a dick. Don’t take it so hard.
Then you shouldn’t have a problem with people flying the nazi flag. They’re both equal in my opinion. They represented nations that LOST the war to the USA.
Jay Brodrick - Perhaps you should read my comment again. Based on your response, I don’t think you caught the joke.
@ ninja please: my apologies
When I lived in South Carolina, the daily paper - the State - would have at least one editorial a day which mentioned "the War between the States". Time to move on?
😂
I was born in Georgia and raised in Georgia and Tennessee. I have always wondered why people stay stuck in the past around here. The Confederacy is over. I support a fully United America.
Fascinating, since one of your Congresswomen wants to "separate by red states & blue states" since "we're done." Sad part is, I agree with her. I don't want to see the south go. I just don't see a way we can live together. And I'm writing this from my desk in Texas. And when the south does go, I have to leave it, despite living in the south my entire adult life: Houston, Ft. Jackson, Miami, Austin, Ft. Hood.
@@r.c.auclair2042so because 1 congresswomen from GA is an asshole that’s the whole state’s fault. Georgia also saved the senate from republican hands in 2020 too.
It’s the lost cause myth …
As a southern, I can whole heartily say that I agree with this.
*southerner
As a southern? What? A southern what?
@@uglyfrog7263 american southerner
About the Civil War battle reenactments, George Carlin said: "Use live ammunition, assholes"
And not at people at DC who want nothing to do with that bullshit!! X DDDD
I love George,he was so wonderful!!!!
A conversation between George and Bill.. that would have been epic.
@@matthewxuereb7707 George Carlin was a guest on Bill's show for a couple of times.
@@Jason31251 are they on UA-cam?
Thanks Bill, every time i am having a tough day, I put on one of your videos and laugh. Thanks for being brutally honest and keep it up!
“Winked so much his wife thought he was sexting her with Morse code.” Brilliant!
When I lived in South Carolina, the daily paper had at least one editorial a day which mentioned "the War between the States". These clowns aren't allowed to move on.
I do find myself wishing that the South would just get over it already.
Well, maybe Bill Maher isn't the fellow to be expressing the same sentiment. After all, "Never forget!' isn't the Dixie rally-cry.
I have southern friends who completely seriously call it The War Of Northern Aggression!
Brian Battles it was. the south left the union. they wanted out. the north started it. imagine if france and germany invaded england for brexit?
AroundSun Very different. Those are sovereign nations, leaving a political/economic alliance, not a single country.
Brian Battles if several states decide they have absolutely nothing in common with the rest of the country, pay most of the taxes, receive less of the benefits, and constantly have moral, social, and economic policies forced on them which they strongly disagree with, secession should take place. The tenth amendment was designed to stop this type of thing. but the federal government has overstepped its power and has become entangled in too many local matters and issues which can be handled at the state level.
And I say if they hate America that much, let'em go.
Brian Battles If a portion of the United States breaks off from the union, and instills a system of limited government, low taxes, less regulation/spending freer society, you will see ALL of the wealth, production, and jobs flow like a river out of our union and into the newly formed territory. Anyone who wants to work and keep what they own would find a much better life there.
There would be no tax base left in the original union to cover all of the entitlements, grants, handouts, welfare, and government programs. It would literally just be a bunch of poor liberals who would eventually be forced economically to migrate into the newer territories
As a yankee currently living in ‘jojah’, A. Men.
ESPECIALLY the Germany comparison. The Nazis lost. They don’t get to ‘celebrate their cultural heritage’, or display their flag.
What’s especially ironic is how fervently southerners claim to support ‘OUR’ military. The military of the ‘U’! s of a. Not the ‘C’ s of a. But doing so by, or at least at the same time as, celebrating the culture and flag of the nation that lost the war their ancestors waged against the ‘U’ s of a. Can you say ‘cognitive dissonance’?
Bill Maher will call it like he sees it and doesn't care who likes it or not. I agree that reenacting the Civil War is a bad idea in this day in time. That's like reenacting the Japanese internment camps or the Trail of Tears. I'm not saying forget what happened in the Civil War, but to relive it as if it was some kind of fantasy, is kind of disturbing to me.
The more you dismiss the past, the more likely the past will come back and dismiss your future.
The Confederate reenacters aren't "preserving" the past, they're "rewriting" the past. ALL the secessionist legislatures cite slavery as their main cause for seceding--they HAD no economy without slaves--and the war was, as Maher says, a horror in which most of the boys died of diarrhea. What sane, emotionally mature adult reenacts such literal shit?
How is the reenacting of battles even remotely comparable to that?
Loganstone, this is how i've always understood this topic. As a black man, i feel that NEITHER side really cared about the wellbeing of the slaves - they only cared about the expansion of the institution itself. No one talks about Bleeding Kansas, which was the REAL opening salvo of the Civil War.
Melvin Harris Jr. nj
That name he makes up at 3:32 gets me every time. LOL Lucius Merryweather Cornpone. hahaha ;)
The fact that he says it without flinching makes it even funnier!
Not that original. Al Capp's cowardly southern colonel was Jubilation T. Cornpone. Bill stole good material.
Ikr hilarious
And this clip has only become MORE relevant over the past few months. SAD. BIGLY.
Monuments and place names glorifying Confederate heroes are all over the South, and only recently have Southerners started thinking about changing them.
“More disconnects than AT&T “🤣🤣🤣
These are also the same ppl that scream, "Trump won, get over it".....
Drew Drewski “...because Hillary screamed ‘Universal Healthcare isn’t going to happen! Get over it!’ “
Yeah, just like they got over Obama being elected.
Brad Galloway “their bad behavior justifies my bad behavior! Because reasons!
@@PlayaSinNombre So you aren't allowed to call anyone out for being a hypocrite?
Brad Galloway of course you are. That’s why I did it.
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" -Plato
"And I'm not trying to offend my Southern friends, mostly because you're on meth and packing heat." LMFAO!!!! Get some,
Maher.
Washington State is about as far from the South that you can get while still being in CONUS. Two days ago while in school in Walla Walla, a fellow student showed me a flag that she was going to buy for her son. It's half of a U.S. Flag and half of a Confederate flag. It blew me away that anyone could possibly think that's okay. Does no one remember what actually happened in the Civil War?
+Aardvark892 - Nope. Not many can read. Well, some can read at kindergarten level, but they don't like to read.
AllGuts NoGlory
boy you got it wrong.
They say the best way to tell unpleasant truths is through humour, well Bill Maher has got that one in the bag! He cracked me up with this and I'm not even an American!
Lyndon Johnston, "I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
"You just do it slower. That's all."
Not quite true. You also sweat up a storm.
i'm from new jersey and stayed in texas for 7 months. holy backwards. they hated me just because i was from the north and called me yankee all the time. they were still fighting the civil war and were very isolated. they never seemed to have left texas. it was a dissapointing experience
infoguy1978 😒Yankees are horribly condescending. Try being less bitchy next time😘
I went to Richmond VA from NJ and had the same experience. And that's the beginning of the South.
Try eating at a restaurant just off of an interstate in the South. They spot you right away and stare at you the whole time.
I wish everyone knew that the Confederacy was extremely diverse. African Americans, Hispanics, Latinos, Irish, Jews, Native Americans, French Algerians, and Cubans fought for the Confederacy.
Like Stand Watie, Loretta Velasquez, Santos Benavides, Moses Ezekiel, Marlboro Jones, and W.S Lewis.
As a Southerner myself, I agree with everything Bill says here. And to those that celebrate our greatest embarrassment, listen to Wanda Sykes. There’s so much great stuff from our region. Why celebrate the stupid and hideous?
Bill always tells it like it is. He is a national treasure ♥️
Once again, Bill Maher proves he has pretty good writers.
Now the Confederacy states have their Jefferson Davis again: Donald Trump. Jeez.
Amen. MAGA
TRUMP'S
A LOSER
THAT ONLY CARES ABOUT
MONEY AND POWER
THAT'S HOW
RUSSIA AND ISRAEL
BOUGHT HIM
ANDREW KNIGHT yeah no
I love it: "They have more disconnects than AT&T"
A poster on a blog I was active on wrote that Gone with the Wind was an ACCURATE portrayal of the south during slavery. And how slaves were treated. All I could do was cringe.
I didn't know all southerners were exactly the same. Thanks Bill
you obviously haven't traveled there or do not come from families south of the Mason Dixon Line. Southerners are a sub-human branch of anthropoid hominid from years of inbreeding and Societal Mind Control from Baptist Pulpits. they Are All the Same. and noticeably so when removed from The South.
@@RIXRADvidz Many Southerners during and after the slavery years also thought of blacks as sub-human and treated them as so. You have that in common with them it seems.
Mr Maher, you’re quite something!
Quite something, indeed!
Great job! What an incredibly righteous atheist!
I understand that the alt right is responding to their perception that yankees are calling them stupid ... but damn its hard not to sometimes
The U.S. Civil War in 1 sentence: A 4 year war between the Union North against the Confederate South over the issue of state's rights to own slaves, with a Union victory yet a former Confederacy still unwilling to admit defeat/slavery (and its impacts) were wrong 150 years later.
Yea i am a southerner i don't get the celebrating a war that was lost
Well, you little turd, you probably didn't have an ancestor in that war who was willing to lay down his life for everything, including YOUR sorry ass!
Mermaid We It's folks like you that give me hope. Thank you for your common sense.
@@pmurray8065 Go easy on the meth, Forrest.
@@pmurray8065 ahhh....I love reading such degenerates!!
@@Nathan-gd7xq So, Dr. Phil, everyone who has a strong opinion and isn't afraid to express it is "stupid" like Forrest and a "meth head"? I bet you are a real turd in the punchbowl at parties.
I love how Southerners celebrate a war they lost.
Celebrating stupid loser tradition, huh!?
Perhaps we all can learn something from war? And that is not to repeat it - than expect "God" to bless 🤔🤔🤔🤔😒🙏
thumbs up for the normal southerns. to the others: you cannot go back to the 19th century... just cope with it. Fight a winnable battle for a better life
BERNIE 2020
The Gone with the Wind joke at the end_ absolute killer 😅
No Bill, to every American:
“DEMOCRACY IS OVER!”
That was a really good one!
"Someone else was picking it"_, claimed. 😀
This clip should be daily mandatory viewing in every classroom in every public school across not only the states of the Old Confederacy, but also in some of the border states, such as Kain-tuk-ee, Miss-urr-ah, and Oklahoma.
You should just stay in your bubble instead of recommending a leftist hack be added to the curriculum.
The number of sick burns is too damn high.
If it weren't for comedians like Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert, much of life would be dryly dull, but still scary.
Maryland and Delaware were NORTHERN states, fighting for the UNION, but still made slave owning legal.
I lived in southern Maryland as a damned Yankee for 30 years. Trust me, it WAS the slaveowning south and some of them would still like to be. Only thing that kept them in the Union was tens of thousand of Federal troops stationed around the capital.
Border states
I am definitely not a Bill Maher fan but this stuff is classic!
This guy is brilliant.....
"By Jews", so true.
I hae a great suggestion for all war re-enactments people, ''real amunition'', i'd buy tickets to that one..
lololol, wish Bill Maher said that too.
George Carlin
would make a great reality show...
Don't forget the real dysentery.
Pat Brennan lol
How appropriate this video is in the wake of Charlottesville.
Some of the greatest things originated from the south.
Barbecue
Picante Sauce
Steak
Chile
Country
Jazz
Rock and Roll
NASA
Hospitality
Six Flags
Is Florida really the South?
As a northerner, I believe the reenactment of Civil War battles is important. It provides viewers the opportunity to realize the enormity of the conflict, the idiocy of the tactics used, and the resulting horror. If viewers gather nothing else, they begin to appreciate the absolute folly of a war that cost half a million lives.
I agree with everything you said, except for the importance of reenactments… I’m not really sure that anybody witnessing these reenactments (or participating in them) fully appreciates all the horror and waste of life, and divisions and RACISM that still prevail today - so that a handful of rich plantation owners could get fat off the backs of slaves! Poor people (read: non-slave owners) didn’t want to fight this war… But they were conscripted into it. Sound familiar? Fighting a rich man’s war FOR them… A story as old as time…
I think you mean as a WHITE Northerner. Go ahead. Try that BS out on a Black one and see what happens.
THE SOUTH IS STILL LOSING !!!!
They should bring back lice racing which was their favorite pastime and nobody got killed in the meantime.
The North had slaves well into the Civil War. Contrary to popular belief, the North did not free slaves overnight. It was done on a state by state basis and took years of ratification. For example, PA started freeing slaves in 1778 but didn't abolish slavery until 1847. In 1861 the Constitution still included the Fugutive Slave Clause. The 13th Amendment wasn't passed until after the war in 1865. Which is the amendment that cancelled out the Fugitive Slave Clause. That raises the question why didn't Congress pass the 13th Amendment before the Civil War or decades beforehand. What is not talked about is the Black Codes. Yes, those were found in the South, but the North was implementing Black Codes years before the Confederacy came into existence. For example, MA passed laws that segregated the schools in the 1840's and 1850's. The South wasn't doing anything illegal or unconstitutional by having slaves or seceding. Because of provisions such as the 3/5ths and Fugutive Slave Clauses, slavery was allowed under the Constitution in 1861. Likewise, the Constitution makes no mention of secession nor does it prohibit states from seceding. The Supreme Court even chimed in on this issue. I think it was a case involving TX where it concluded that a single state may not secede, but if enough states got together as a collective whole that secession was possible. However, the Supreme Court did not conclude doing so was as an act of treason or necessarily unconstitutional.
There was some opposition in the North by vested interest to abolish slavery, so it had to go slowly. The South would have blocked that Amendment. But the main reason was that it would have precipitated a secession. This was an established fact. The battle was over the new states not covered yet by the Constitution.
"I don't want to insult our Southern friends, mainly because they're on meth and packing heat."
That was amazing.
"slave owning ancestors" lol what i thought it was only the 1% that owned slaves
***** well if the leaders say they're bad who are the working class to question it. lets not forgot that there wasn't exactly any form of widespread education back then, especially not in the south which was pretty rural compared to the industrious north
***** I'm saying they weren't educated.
And just like that the south cried a thousand Mississippi rivers.
First Intidada, in a house in Hebron Hamas was founded.
Soviet war in Afghanistan, in a room, A'lkaidat founded.
End of the civil war, the KKK was founded.
Remarkable similarity.
Nailed it!!!
"The Confederacy's Over!"
"Well, it shouldn't be."
They are the American Taliban.
Having visited Mississippi, they might actually have a case for speaking a different language.
Nonsense! you act like everyone in the south owned slaves which is bullshit and you know it! You won't admit how you treated them when they came up north will you? You shit all over them and thousands practically starved! A lot of them were in a hell of a lot better shape than immigrants !
doggies00 ...and what the fuck do you mean "that's mostly where the second amendnent comes in..."? You do realize the 2nd amendment was ratified in 1791, right?
geo fraz So im right, they fought for the right to own slaves... Im sure you were trying to make a point you just forgot to make it & instead made my point valid even more... They fought to keep their slaves....
Its ok mate thats how it was, YOU didnt do it, im sure if i was alive back then & was from the south i'd have done the same thats how it was back then.. But dont try to make excuses, they fought for the right to own slaves its as simple as that, the slaves didnt make the rules...
+doggies00 No. It was ratified in 1791. And the fact that I've explained twice now that the south couldn't have cared less about having slaves or not, but simply not being impoverished by decree from the very same government who legalized it decades before (3/5 human) and STILL you don't get it means you're a fucking idiot. I'm done here.
People that say this stuff is over don't understand humans,or flat out history.It's the arrogance of living in the present that makes us forget the past.
Dont you get it, they dont get it.
They just don't get it. Bill should put this on FB so my southern friends can see it when I LIKE it.
be brewer You do know that there's a share button right?
lol - yes although I prefer not to - but thanks.
be brewer An opinion shouldn't be repressed dude.
Newsflash: Your southern relatives may have a point.
Bunny Munro being embarrassed to be Southern is your problem
Bill is the best!!!
I love him and there were some pretty good laughs in this clip but I cant help but think Bill was in his prime about 3-4 years ago. the jokes and delivery arent quite as sharp as they were a few years ago imo. I almost wonder if there has been some turnover among his writing crew.
That's funny because this is the second time this week I've had to call AT&T to reconnect internet. You got them there Bill LOL It's no fun to talk to their help line operators that have too much damn attitude.
The Confederacy was extremely diverse. 50,000 blacks fought for the Confederacy like black Confederate sailor W. S Lewis from CSS Alabama www.navyandmarine.org/ondeck/1862blackCSN.htm, Cuban Woman Loretta Velasquez dressed as a man to fight for the Confederacy www.battlefields.org/learn/biographies/loreta-janeta-velazquez, Cherokee and Choctaw tribes fought for the Confederacy. The last Confederate General to stop fighting was Cherokee General Stand Watie www.battlefields.org/learn/biographies/stand-watie. 10,000 Jews fought for the Confederacy, like Moses Ezekiel.
The war was fought against Northern oppression and the tariff of 1828, called the Tariff of Abominations in the South. It was the worst exploitation of the South. The North shot first at Harpers Ferry and invaded the South. The North also killed 50,000 civilians and destroyed cities like Atlanta, Vicksburg, Richmond, Nashville, and so on.
White Privilege: Getting to treat the civil war like it's Dungeons and Dragons.
"Stephen shoots Cletus with his musket; roll for damage... 20. Cletus' head gets shot clean off his body; it rolls and trips the guy behind him; that man skips his next turn."
"Nuh uh, I totally saved! Besides, I'm wearing my Tabard of Musket Resistance."
There are Black units which play this game, too, so it's hardly a White "privilege".
Congratulations, southern States, on your second place finish in teh Great war of Northern Aggression.
Wanna try another?
Jiminy Christmas Right on brother!
Most Southerners aren't like Bill thinks. Bill Maher lives in California and people in that state think the South is like that. In fact I talked with one man from California who asked me if everyone here has a Confederate flag on their truck and if segregation goes on here. I told him no and in California fashion he responded "Wow! That's how it looks on the TV!"
Its not just California most of the urban west coast locals have preconceived beliefs about Southerners whom they never visited or seen. I know that because I was in Seattle and was asked by 3 black people if we still had segregated businesses down here.
I thought they had to be joking but they really believed that because like Bill Maher, they lived their entire life inside the Liberal bubble of The West Coast.
brilliantly accurate.
The Waffenhut!
Ach du lieber . . .
They don't want to re-enact the defeat, Bill. They hope the nightmare has a different ending, and they are seriously seeking it. I lost a pretty decent friend when he got all Dixie on me and I told him to go sit someplace quiet and rewrite Pickett's charge. This whole riff is playing with fire, I tell ya.
I didn't think about it like that but it makes sense. And it's already happening.
MYSTERY READER (the original) Is it too extreme to say, even in exasperation: Let the buggers secede already, better late than never? They have already appointed themselves a Chancellor.
I liked your comment but you've gotta let me emigrate north (please).
@u wot m8 please be more original...it's getting boring
at least he didnt say fake news. man is that one ever getting old and lame!
Conservatives always say 2 things about the civil war. It's either A) The civil war was NOT about freeing the slaves/not about slavery. It was about states rights. U have been lied to by liberal indoctrination. Or (when it suites their argument) B) African-Americans need to stop always complaining about slavery because no other democracy has done more to end slavery and white people mobilized 100s of thousands of white men and troops to end slavery and 100s of thousands died fighting to end slavery and no one else in history has done so. -- They r so twisted that they make both arguments as long as they r on different days of the week and depending on which one suites their needs at that time.
"because no other democracy has done more to end slavery" This statement is not correct. It couldn't be. When the Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863.
1834: The British Slavery Abolition Act, Legally frees 700,000 in West Indies, 20,000 in Mauritius, and 40,000 in South Africa. The exceptions, territories controlled by the East India Company and Ceylon, were liberated in 1843 when they became part of the British Empire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline
To "reenact" is to act out a past event. Acting out these events, only further reminds people of those terrible times. Especially black people. I agree it was about "states rights" but the state's right to do what? Own slaves. It was a moral issue to other countries like France and UK, who remained neutral threw the civil war, but all the while considering joining the fight in favor of the US over the Confederacy. We have to completely understand what we are saying by reacting this time period. Like it was the good ol' days.
Gary Lupinacci You can debate whether Haiti ever was a "democracy" of any kind, but roughly half a million slaves won their freedom there. And the French Republic even put freeing all slaves into more than one constitution. But then Bonaparte came and fucked it all up. When he sat in St. Helena thinking about what he did wrong, he put "selling out Louverture and betraying Haiti" right on the top of the list. In that at least he was right.
Gary Lupinacci your a DA. How much time have you spent in the South!
What about the Mexican-American war? The Americans that came into Texas had to free any slaves they had by treaty, but they decided since their Americans they are "free" to ignore this edict. When the Mexican government decided to enforce their slavery ban they rebelled captured the Mexican leader and decided that he (not the Mexican congress) had the power to grant America Mexican land. Read what Ulysses S Grant and David Thoreau said about the Mexican war...
aoeu256 Mexican-American war? That sounds more like the war for Texas's independence. Mexican American war was fought much later, and not for those reasons.
Words fail to describe such depths of depravity...
He's a funny man, thanks Bill
I heard Mr. Mahr sing about her.....I heard ole Bill put her down.... I hope Bill Mahr will remember a southern man don't need him around any how..... Sweet Home Alabama....
Any more childish come backs? How about " I know you are but what am I?"
Bill Maher's careful use of language kept him on the side of historic accuracy without actually going to the painful truth. Just as the South recast the Civil War into their "Lost Cause" nonsense, so did the North recast its role in the Civil War as noble emancipators. Let's be honest with the facts, most Northern Whites were either neutral or active enablers of slavery. The abolitionists were a noisy minority, despite being on the right side of history. Most Northern states supported a second class citizen status for "freedmen". Lincoln expressed his willingness to accept slavery in some form or another to keep the nation (we will assume "White nation") together, and only after the war went on for almost two years under the battle cry of "Hey, you can't leave" did we take on abolition. Ending slavery screwed the economy of the Southerners, whom the North hated; more than it did anything to really promote equality. It would take another century and witnessing Hitler's horrors for most Whites to question their notions of white supremacy...kind of.
It's true, the only reason the northern states abolished slavery (locally) any earlier was because they had embraced industrialization and didn't need the labor force - and were not primarily agricultural states. It's a lot less heroic than the North likes to portray it since then.
Robert Gadfly all true, but there really was this brief window of opportunity during Reconstruction. President Grant defeated the first kkk, there were African American people in all manner of public office and it really could have worked... But by 1876 it was all over and we got a century more of racist white dominance.
Reconstruction is one of the great missed opportunities of history where you can only wonder "what if...?"
I don't know, laws were passed to get the Northerners to help slave catchers. If only a few Northerners were against slavery, surely entire towns wouldn't chase off slave catchers.
True.
And the allies firebombed Hamburg and Dresden. Germany was still on the wrong side.
Tough luck. History is written by the winners and none-slave owners.. Move on.
Who's here watching this 31/08/17 because it seems like a more recent topic?
This was brutal. I love bill
Bill Maher is a goddamned genius! XD
You lost. Get over it.
The South is my home and I love it here, but the whole bitterness over the War Between the States is something I can do without. Let it go, people!!
Re-inactments are so weird on many levels.
I'm a southerner and I find this kind of shit embarrassing 😳
Many are quick to tell Black Americans to get over slavery. It's time for them to get over the confederacy and it's loss.
I think it's funny for anyone who says the South lost the Civil War that had a hundred years of segregation Jim Crow laws because of the federal government that was afraid to send troops back down they might have lost the battle but they won the war and I don't see anything wrong with someone celebrating their ancestors slavery is a scar that America will never get rid of but we stopped it and we should be proud of that and we should be proud of all the free black men who fought to liberate their fellow countrymen and paid horrible prices for it
Southerners to Bill M. " You are not funny."
It's not about slavery, it's about identity and history. People are very confused about this.
Kaeben yeah, the identity and history of owning people as property. You can't celebrate the good parts that you like, and ignore the parts of history that make you uncomfortable