A perfect theme song, "I got it right and I've got it wrong, I learned my lesson by hanging on.." Words of wisdom. Great that you can come back and say you got it wrong and why. I can appreciate that.
I absolutely love that the fridge is not sitting on the sole. I absolutely hate having to bend over to dig around in a mini-fridge. Makes so much more sense to put it where you can better view and utilize. Brilliant small touch. Nice boat.
Sailing Ruby Rose have bought the new Seawind 1370 (I think) 45foot version. They have been working with Seawind on the design. I really like this boat, the 1160. The fact it has 3 fridges 2 top load and 1 " bar" type fridge is really great but I would make at least one of the another freezer. I also love the owners side of the cat. The bedroom is in the right place and the fact you can get to both sides of the bed to make it is a big plus. The one minus I can see is all the electrical stuff under the seats in the "lounge" dinning area, taking up valuable storage spots, maybe they could be put someplace else. Great cat , thanks for the tour.
More and more impressed with SeaWind, every video I see. 8:57 - Excellent grill location, as well. Electric sail drives are an obvious and necessary upgrade.
Roger Wilco - Not at all. You still have solar, and regenerative capabilities, as well as a backup diesel gen set. The gen set is key. Fountain-Pajot has a configuration that allows 40+ knots (distance, of course) of electric motoring. It all depends on battery capacity.
@@RogerWilco1 I guess all those tall ships that sailed around the world in the early days must have had a lot of problems with passage making then. It's a SAIL boat...
@@C_R_O_M________ Yup, lots of people went to sea and were just never heard from again. I'm currently reading Slocum... He may have sailed around the world without an engine, but he also got towed in and out of quite a few anchorages along the way. 😗 And then later disappeared at sea.
Seawind is getting a big thumbs up from me! And getting great reviews. They’re on the list for Cats when we set sail in a few days years time. Well appointed, quality build without the massive price tag. What is there not to love. Thanks guys.
Wow- I sure can relate! We were wrong about our initial impression of this fabulous vessel too! We had a last-minute opportunity to do a bareboat charter of it in Morten Bay (Queensland, Australia) for ten days, and this was the only vessel available at the time, so I signed up somewhat begrudgingly. It turned out to be a blast to sail and very functional too, even with a crew of four adults and three children. As a life-long sailor, and long-term live-aboard with a Yachtmasters, I had a lot of pre-conceived expectations that proved to be just prejudicial. Indeed it was crying out to be converted to electric outboards, although the petrol engines weren't as bad as expected, and lifting them out of the water often gave a bonus knot or so! The galley below was massive, and we did a lot of the prep work on the saloon table, and most of the cooking on the aft deck BBQ too. Here's an action video of the trip; vimeo.com/316529361 However, just after that, I heard about the next version, the 1190 sport, and it looks even better again...
Thanks for keeping an open mind. The more I see, the more I'm really starting to like Seawinds as a current production cat. Very sensible and practical designs, decent performance, great visibility, etc. They're simple. but have really well thought out design and details. Very cruising oriented, there's tons of storage even on the 1160. The 1370 is going to sell very well. Being quite a bit larger, it has galley up, which I think makes a lot of sense as a social space with the salon as great room. On land, many people gather around food in the kitchen. P.S. Seawind has an electric outboard option on the 1160.
Hi Jordan! Great video (but a little odd seeing it 3rd person)!! I just wanted to clarify a few things: the saloon unit is a refrigerator - we use it for beverages and snacks. The in-counter storage in the galley is the freezer. The breaker box in the port side settee is a primary DC breaker. The electronics forward/port side are AIS gear, and then an on-board computer and networking gear. It's also worth pointing out that the hot water is on-demand propane. Electric options can also be installed.
I have to say I was a bit surprised at your original views on the Seawind. Dollar for dollar this is the best cruising cat on the market. Well made, well designed, more performance than all but the Outremere's and other racing pedigree million dollar+ cruisers at a much lower price point. And the new Ruby Rose II will intrduce the 1300 series Seawinds, even more closely aligned to cruising needs. I'm buying one within the next 5 years and setting off!
I agree with you for the Seawind up to the 1260, nothing comparable to them on the market if you look for something different from a condomaran at that price range. For the 1300 series a possible competitor is the smallest Balance, both for now exist only on paper, but they should both have very good performance and building quality, at a similar price tag. The Balance has the very clever helm, while i personally have some doubt on the Seawind choice as at night you have to shut down the lights in the central cabin to see trough its windows, and has dagger boards so can probably go better upwind, but the Seawind has some other clever perks to balance it. I think that the choice between the 1370 and the 442 is more a matter of personal taste, but in each case you can not go wrong (luckily i don't have to chose as i can not afford them :) ...).
Ruby Rose 2 is worth a look. They just picked a Seawind as their best pick. Though I think that for long term you'll find the bigger boats more suited to live aboard.
I just bought a 1983 SeaWind 24 catamaran in very good condition. The delivery sail from Tampa bay to Okeechobee city was a great 3 days. It's apparent to me why this company is still in business.
Wow. Never saw propane tanks mounted outside like that. A great idea. Though I hate the whole gas "thing". I just don't do anything other than a grill outside. Im retired from the Fire Department. There are just images of RV's and Boats explosions I can't get out of my head. I sleep better off without them on a boat. Great video you two and I like this boat more the second time around.
When I went to the boat show in Annapolis and looked around, the only production catamaran that came across as a boaters boat was the Seawind. The rest just reminded me of cheap Winnebago's attempting to attract the female half of the buying decision.
Thanks for review and can wait for the sailing one. Please get some numbers (read speed, wind speed and angle). Don't feel too bad about your opinion change. I actually agree with your first impression as I had the same. Very small boat, galley down, low bridge deck, helm in the cockpit where you need to look through the bridge (saloon). It is a weird and unusual design. The more I learn about them, the more I appreciate their qualities. I learn that the visibility through the bridge is great because they use glass not plastic. Big opening window makes for great ventilation. High construction quality. Amazing use of the small space. The galley down offer a lot more counter space than any galley up in a 38 feet catamaran and has a nice view with a big opening window. Ok, it is on my list of potential buy now. it is still small with no large storage for bulky item like inflating paddle board or Kayak, diving tank and compressor. Compare to a Lagoon 380, it probably sail better but it is cramp. I would get the diesel version. Something, you need to motor for more then 24 hours.
You’re right about the build quality, overall design and execution. I’m not so sure about you’re near obsession with going electric, adding weight to a ‘performance’ cat is simply a bad idea. Good Tube 👍
The weight of going electric and a traditional diesel motor and diesel tank is about the same if you go with lithium batteries. It can actually be less of you design it right.
Good video. I notice the boat has both lower and upper stays. I have always felt it was a little precarious to use a single stay run aft on each side - the tricycle arrangement. One wire parts and you loose the rig. I encountered a couple aboard a dismasted catamaran in Quepos Costa Rica about 5 years ago. They lost their rig about 600 miles west of Galapagos. Fortunately, they had enough fuel aboard to limp back to Golfito, Costa Rica using one engine. They had the three-wire standing rigging and it showed the dangers inherent in it. Their insurance company covered the whole thing and brought down a rigging crew and loaded shipping container from Lauderdale to rerig the boat, but it all took a few months to arrange and complete. I will rig forestay, baby stay, two shrouds to each side, and probably a backstay or two on my Gemini.
You guys do a fantastic job of showing boats! I will be buying a boat in the next few years and I appreciate your channel. Congrats with your new addition. Keep up the good work. BTW I really like the large windows on this boat. Price is also good.
Strange people say this boat is small as Project Atticus is a 30' monohull live aboard. I'm looking at a 32' Macwester myself, so a 38' catamaran seems enormous. Looks like a nice one: functional, tidy. All these things are a compromise, just had to match your requirements to work. Nice review and good luck with the little one 👍
Love the Galley Down. Wish they offered a 1600 with a galley down! I’m not a fan of the gasoline, would prefer diesel and a generator but that’s just me. You missed highlighting the awesome opening salon windows forward!
I will be looking forward to the video under sail. I have always thought this boat seemed to be well layered out, practical and it looks like it would be maintainable. Very under rated aspect for folks that want to sail rather than maintain a boat in paradise. I do like the idea of the electric outboards. Could you explore that possibility some.
One thing no-one mentions regarding cats, is that when a couple need a little time apart, there’s separate hulls to sulk in. Which might save a marriage, LOL
Love seawinds myself. the are for sailors by sailors, and not for the inexperienced buyers that seem to control the cat market. they are no frills and all thrills.
Would you consider buying brand new and outfitting as you see fit, or looking for the right deal on a used one that may not be set up exactly as you want??
With the way the catamaran market is now, it makes more sense to buy new and outfit it exactly the way we want it. New boats are very close in price point to gently used, preowned boats. I think it has to do with the fact that it takes 1-2 years to build a new boat and some people dont want to wait that time period so they buy used.
Electric outboard lift-able engines and batteries are now ALMOST the best viable option... (difference between Retired and no real time limits, - and the all too brief holiday charter)... A boom for cruising is not my choice... I prefer the Hitch Hiker rig, of flat cut genoa, roller reefed to each bow and dual sheets on each genoa set well aft... A small self tacking blade, used when the wind gets up & both genoa are fully furled (when +20 knots over the deck)... Tack downwind, (never wing on wing), and also upwind, setting for best VMG... This is my choice, for live aboard in retirement: simple, fast and easy...
👍 you do good reviews and tour videos. Hope you two can get back on the water in the future. We know you can live abroad with a baby and sail the world.
My dads fishing boat is docked next to this boat I know the owners we give them fish sometimes it’s crazy to stumble across this video and seeing this boat
Yeah!!! Good to see you. Lots of room for building out your power system. For me, a water maker is crucial, as that is a survival item, never mind convenience. Having more solar capacity, including LiFePO 4 batteries, makes a water maker possible. If its raining, you can collect water. If its not raining, you can make water. Okay, I'm Captain Obvious. :-)
Interesting. My wife and I live on a Corsair 3600 (it’s a cat) and there are a lot of similarities. There are a lot of differences too. The cockpit is huge as is the saloon relative to the Corsair but the tramp, deck, transoms, etc are all sacrifices for the interior. Ours is a light boat at 5ton dry and we probably have too much weight in it as is. With that extra room I could really horde some stuff! I hope they build them with the same care our Corsair was constructed with. I love our boat more every time I dig into it. She’s 27 years old and nothing creaky even offshore in relatively rough seas. No stress cracks no blisters, nothing. Vacuum bagging is wonderful, the parts most never see are still nice. No glass splinters here.
I really liked this little boat and it's the first Cat that is this small that I've liked. I really like galley down though and especially for this size and even a little larger. Would have been great if they could have fit a small forward facing Nav station in the salon and I'd be willing to give up a little of the settee to get one. Being as I'd use it as a personally family boat I wouldn't need that big of a settee and could live with just the part around the table as you have it positioned. That would leave the room needed to add the Nav station. Only thing missing is a washer/dryer and honestly it's really not that important. Great tour thanks guys...
I think your first impression was right, I think the owners did a good job getting you to change you r true thoughts by their offerings , in other words bought you..
Great detailed review - as always! Jordan, any luck spear fishing with Soulianis? :) Been "shopping" for a cat for a while now and Seawind is definitely on the short list. That new 1370 looks amazing, but I'm sure out of my price range. Been a 1260 fan from the start, but the more I look at the 1160/1190 the more impressed I am by the overall design compromises. Many thanks to Bob for offering you the charter - can't wait until we see it in action!
What type of electric outboards would you consider for this cat? How much solar would you need and what type of range do you think you'd get. I've seen discussions about other electric motors, but never outboards. I'm wondering how they compare. Thanks!
Concerning the lines. They could run them over the roof? Gives an emergency hand hold. Or even along the side since it doesn’t bother the windows or step to the roof. Both removes trip hazard. .02 cents.
Running them over the coach roof wouldn't work because the helms are down, not up. Running them along the side of the cabin would cut into the window area and since they wouldn't be flat on deck would tend to tangle if you gave them slack. I've thought about this a lot, lol I really think they're in the best place possible without any huge boat design changes.
Everyone is missing the point by saying the lines are a trip hazard. This boat is setup so ALL lines run back to the cockpit, meaning you can do everything from the cockpit. So you shouldnt have to go forward unless somthing goes wrong.
You should update information about your channel on various social media and patreon. DIY was something you were doing, channels focus has changed nice to let newer viewers know about it.
At 4:07 you said there are 2 trampolines. Are these real trampolines, like kids could jump up and down and play on them? Or are they just called that but you're not supposed to jump on them?
What is the water tank size? Im usually iffy about outboards for cats but that seems pretty well done and cash friendly at 3500$ for a brand new motor.
175 gallon water tank. We've done a total of seven passages back and forth from Maryland and Abacos/Key West and the outboards have never let us down or left us feeling under powered, and that includes having to motor some days when there was no wind.
From the angle that you used to show the propane tank for the grill, it looked like it would be very exposed to a following sea. The tank even looked a bit corroded to me. I also didn't see a life raft? I'm glad you had the opportunity to take a closer look at this boat and realized that it's okay to change your minds about some of the things you thought before. I think for its size the layout is well thought out and for a cat, the price seems much more doable. I also like the idea of going with electric motors since the smell of diesel turns my stomach! Don't worry about the folks calling you sell-outs since they obviously don't listen or read very well and get most of their exercise jumping to conclusions. Personally, I've only ever sailed monohulls but that doesn't mean I don't have opinions about what I THINK I'd want in a catamaran, subject to change if I got the chance to sail one and found out some things were not what I expected to like/dislike. It's a bit like admiring a bikini on someone, then when you try it on yourself you realize it just doesn't fit the way you'd hoped! LOL That's why they have fitting rooms.
Myrick, it was a Honda generator. A reliable gas powered portable with a 2000 watt rating. The A/C unit is the biggest draw on a boat, the fact that the little Honda can power the A/C is great. All of it's output went to powering the A/C. I happen to use a comparable Generac 2000 watt unit.
Congratulations on ur baby to come!! You 2 will be fine parents luv's! So this boat yes hearing u say u like the kitchen down made all the difference.... I still feel a lil lost when I see all that boat 2 seemingly small outboards... do u feel that's enough hp. for the job? Idk newbie hoping to get back on the water an stay there. But at moment on lock down stuck on the hard...so goal 1
In my opinion is that a lack of experience on the first video was why you were so critical of this cat, until you have spend some time on a certain vessel it’s hard to judge any boat, I’ve been sailing for a living and recreational over 30 yrs and still far from knowing it all once you get some sea time under ur belt you’ll learn to know what you like and don’t like and what works for you doesn’t mean it works for the next person
I wish Seawind would make some smaller boats again in the 8-10 meter range like they used to. Their lineup is really strong right now and the boats are unique compared to most other catamarans.
I've never sailed on a cat so I can't wait for that video. I wonder how badly it would have to sail to keep me from considering a cat as the cockpit alone is a huge selling point to me (considering the 90% at anchor theory).
Would it be electric outboards or those regen motors that go through the bottom of the hullthos also rotate 90⁰ left and right to act as thrusters to make it even more maneuverable than a ship with just two separate rearward facing motors
@@LearningtheLines I was one of those who critiqued your earlier review, and felt that you were missing the strengths of the boat and instead, saw them as weaknesses. I also thought the 1160 would be perfect for you two, once you understood why the boat surpasses many larger boats in quality and features, and is also much more affordable. Glad you both are open minded and gave it a 2nd look. I think this review is spot on. I will be retiring onto a 1260 in a few, but I would not hesitate to do so onto an 1160 as well. These are blue water performance boats with very smart/comfortable layouts. If you like electric outboards, the lite should be easy to set up. Well done.
I was curious what your heights are? I can see that it looks just barely tall enough to stand in below deck. I am asking as a 6' 6" person who always has to think about head space in what I buy.
Hi in your opinion being on the boat if you have sailed it how is it operating it? I’m thinking about buying one but I am concern about the helm station because it seems like you don’t have much of a POV to look through a window looking through the living room to drive forward seems like a giant blind spot. What is your opinion on it? I would love to know thank you.
Have you thought about using a mil.surplus parachute from the anchor winch. Very high above the bow to catch more stable wind. For downwind sailing ? I have been trying to get someone to try this.
As a newbie to sailing I just recently found out about Seawind and this more affordable catmaran. Does the offboard motors make it better than internal diesels for maintenance if intended for coastal cruising?
This tours that you do normally are great but just scratch the surface. You really need to spend some time on a boat to give it a real evaluation. Yes, I like this boat too. Have sailed a few of them they are good quality.
If you watch their other videos you will discover they had a boat before, two actuall (monohulls), gave up trying to restore the last one and gave it away. Now they are saving up to buy an newer boat.
Thanks for another thorough boat tour. Could you please try to incorporate some headroom figures in main areas in following episodes? It's a topic that not a lot of people cover in their reviews even though it is an issue of interest with many taller individuals. I am certainly one. P.S. When I wrote this comment I haven't watched the video to the end to notice that you did mention headroom this time. Thanks again, it seems like a very nice well-designed boat with ample space, especially for its size.
@@snafufubar I've watched them but I don't recall them getting a lot more specific on headroom figures. The Seawind they ordered is in the 700K $ range way above my budget.
Your anxieties about access to the cabin top are unfounded if you use standard practice of wearing life line harnesses and use them in sketchy weather or on solo watch. A trailing lifeline when under passage should always be paid out for safety purposes in case the harness line fails. This cat is very well laid out and finished. My only quibbles are the lack of a washing machine for longer passages, I didn't see a wind turbine for Aux charging, and I would change out the molded in sheet pockets for open weave bags for each sheet. As is the lines could tangle. The Propane tank hung aft is a potential failure in rough or following sea conditions for mine. Cheers Eric
As a sailing couple, how often do you use those extra bedrooms? If it was just the two (soon three!) of you, would you convert those berths to other uses (workshop, art room, whatever)?
Well, in the future if we become a family of four, those berths are perfect for the kids, but until then, yes, that aft berth on the starboard side could definitely be a workshop.
@@LearningtheLines the aft berth is probably the best place to sleep, together with the berth in the cockpit, when you are sailing in rough weather, is also the better place for your baby as you can easily close it with some kind of net and is near the galley, you will need a place where to "park" the baby when you are cooking or sailing and it seems to be the perfect place for it, much better then the high berths forward. I don't suggest you to transform it in a workshop or at least, if you actually buy the boat, don't do it too soon, before you find out how it can be useful. those queen size berths forward are great at anchor, but far from perfect when you are cruising, you feel more the pitching and the slamming of the waves, that even in a boat with good deck clearance like that are something unavoidable.
@@Guvrunner, After fixing up Freebee they were sailing all the time. I would say that maybe a year ago they docked their boat at a private site - with the intention of doing more upgrades, but the place was under construction. That interfered with that process, so, . . . Then it was only about 8 months ago that they decided to give Freebee away. I would guess that they were actively sailing for at least a couple years. I think the plans for a baby made a big difference. Their idea to build or buy a catamaran has been going on for almost a year(?). But sailing has certainly been on hold for a while, with the boat tours substituting.
Based on a couple years cruising the South Pacific on a Searunner 37' trimaran, I always felt the boat was a bit on the "small" side in heavy weather. Sailing across tradewind belts (American Samoa to Tonga, for instance) makes one feel very vulnerable to capsize. For what it's worth, I think multihulls should be at least 40' and probably wouldn't cruise on one myself unless it was 44 or larger. A big 46' Piver trimaran capsized (with all 5 hands lost) while crossing from New Zealand to Fiji back in the mid 1970s. Size does matter.
Looks like there is enough room for a washer/dryer combo. That down galley was nice, it's just food down and food up all the time (no vomit jokes please). Needs a dumbwaiter.
I prefer to have a wet head or locker within a yard of the companionway, so wet foulies can be stripped off and hung to dry without traipsing them through the boat. I'd also like to see a nav table that still allows me to spread out charts. That one is sized for laptops only.
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A perfect theme song, "I got it right and I've got it wrong, I learned my lesson by hanging on.." Words of wisdom. Great that you can come back and say you got it wrong and why. I can appreciate that.
I absolutely love that the fridge is not sitting on the sole. I absolutely hate having to bend over to dig around in a mini-fridge. Makes so much more sense to put it where you can better view and utilize. Brilliant small touch. Nice boat.
Sailing Ruby Rose have bought the new Seawind 1370 (I think) 45foot version. They have been working with Seawind on the design. I really like this boat, the 1160. The fact it has 3 fridges 2 top load and 1 " bar" type fridge is really great but I would make at least one of the another freezer. I also love the owners side of the cat. The bedroom is in the right place and the fact you can get to both sides of the bed to make it is a big plus. The one minus I can see is all the electrical stuff under the seats in the "lounge" dinning area, taking up valuable storage spots, maybe they could be put someplace else. Great cat , thanks for the tour.
More and more impressed with SeaWind, every video I see. 8:57 - Excellent grill location, as well. Electric sail drives are an obvious and necessary upgrade.
Roger Wilco - Not at all. You still have solar, and regenerative capabilities, as well as a backup diesel gen set. The gen set is key. Fountain-Pajot has a configuration that allows 40+ knots (distance, of course) of electric motoring. It all depends on battery capacity.
@@RogerWilco1 I guess all those tall ships that sailed around the world in the early days must have had a lot of problems with passage making then.
It's a SAIL boat...
@@goulash75 They HAD a lot of problems and the ocean depths are filled with them.
Apparently electric is an option from Seawind! Way to go Seawind.
@@C_R_O_M________ Yup, lots of people went to sea and were just never heard from again. I'm currently reading Slocum... He may have sailed around the world without an engine, but he also got towed in and out of quite a few anchorages along the way. 😗 And then later disappeared at sea.
Seawind is getting a big thumbs up from me! And getting great reviews. They’re on the list for Cats when we set sail in a few days years time. Well appointed, quality build without the massive price tag. What is there not to love. Thanks guys.
I'm glad you two got to reprise your review. BTW Brandy is looking radiant. I'm happy for both of you.
Wow- I sure can relate! We were wrong about our initial impression of this fabulous vessel too! We had a last-minute opportunity to do a bareboat charter of it in Morten Bay (Queensland, Australia) for ten days, and this was the only vessel available at the time, so I signed up somewhat begrudgingly. It turned out to be a blast to sail and very functional too, even with a crew of four adults and three children. As a life-long sailor, and long-term live-aboard with a Yachtmasters, I had a lot of pre-conceived expectations that proved to be just prejudicial. Indeed it was crying out to be converted to electric outboards, although the petrol engines weren't as bad as expected, and lifting them out of the water often gave a bonus knot or so! The galley below was massive, and we did a lot of the prep work on the saloon table, and most of the cooking on the aft deck BBQ too. Here's an action video of the trip;
vimeo.com/316529361
However, just after that, I heard about the next version, the 1190 sport, and it looks even better again...
Great video, thanks for posting.
Thanks for your sharing. I've been secretly fawning over the 1160 lite.
Thanks for keeping an open mind. The more I see, the more I'm really starting to like Seawinds as a current production cat. Very sensible and practical designs, decent performance, great visibility, etc. They're simple. but have really well thought out design and details.
Very cruising oriented, there's tons of storage even on the 1160.
The 1370 is going to sell very well. Being quite a bit larger, it has galley up, which I think makes a lot of sense as a social space with the salon as great room. On land, many people gather around food in the kitchen.
P.S. Seawind has an electric outboard option on the 1160.
Hi Jordan! Great video (but a little odd seeing it 3rd person)!! I just wanted to clarify a few things: the saloon unit is a refrigerator - we use it for beverages and snacks. The in-counter storage in the galley is the freezer. The breaker box in the port side settee is a primary DC breaker. The electronics forward/port side are AIS gear, and then an on-board computer and networking gear. It's also worth pointing out that the hot water is on-demand propane. Electric options can also be installed.
Thanks for the clarification Bob!
@@LearningtheLines When you said I'd let you know, I felt obligated :D
I have to say I was a bit surprised at your original views on the Seawind. Dollar for dollar this is the best cruising cat on the market. Well made, well designed, more performance than all but the Outremere's and other racing pedigree million dollar+ cruisers at a much lower price point. And the new Ruby Rose II will intrduce the 1300 series Seawinds, even more closely aligned to cruising needs. I'm buying one within the next 5 years and setting off!
I agree with you for the Seawind up to the 1260, nothing comparable to them on the market if you look for something different from a condomaran at that price range. For the 1300 series a possible competitor is the smallest Balance, both for now exist only on paper, but they should both have very good performance and building quality, at a similar price tag.
The Balance has the very clever helm, while i personally have some doubt on the Seawind choice as at night you have to shut down the lights in the central cabin to see trough its windows, and has dagger boards so can probably go better upwind, but the Seawind has some other clever perks to balance it.
I think that the choice between the 1370 and the 442 is more a matter of personal taste, but in each case you can not go wrong (luckily i don't have to chose as i can not afford them :) ...).
@Konstantin Ridaya Daggerboards should make for better performance, particularly upwind, but if you don't want them, they're optional.... :)
Ruby Rose 2 is worth a look. They just picked a Seawind as their best pick. Though I think that for long term you'll find the bigger boats more suited to live aboard.
I just bought a 1983 SeaWind 24 catamaran in very good condition. The delivery sail from Tampa bay to Okeechobee city was a great 3 days. It's apparent to me why this company is still in business.
Seawind are on fire at the moment!
They are!
It must be "climate change" again.
Wow. Never saw propane tanks mounted outside like that. A great idea. Though I hate the whole gas "thing". I just don't do anything other than a grill outside. Im retired from the Fire Department. There are just images of RV's and Boats explosions I can't get out of my head. I sleep better off without them on a boat. Great video you two and I like this boat more the second time around.
When I went to the boat show in Annapolis and looked around, the only production catamaran that came across as a boaters boat was the Seawind. The rest just reminded me of cheap Winnebago's attempting to attract the female half of the buying decision.
Thanks for review and can wait for the sailing one. Please get some numbers (read speed, wind speed and angle). Don't feel too bad about your opinion change. I actually agree with your first impression as I had the same. Very small boat, galley down, low bridge deck, helm in the cockpit where you need to look through the bridge (saloon). It is a weird and unusual design. The more I learn about them, the more I appreciate their qualities. I learn that the visibility through the bridge is great because they use glass not plastic. Big opening window makes for great ventilation. High construction quality. Amazing use of the small space. The galley down offer a lot more counter space than any galley up in a 38 feet catamaran and has a nice view with a big opening window. Ok, it is on my list of potential buy now. it is still small with no large storage for bulky item like inflating paddle board or Kayak, diving tank and compressor. Compare to a Lagoon 380, it probably sail better but it is cramp. I would get the diesel version. Something, you need to motor for more then 24 hours.
love Seawinds. Practical, value for money & they sail well.. Hard to beat.
You’re right about the build quality, overall design and execution. I’m not so sure about you’re near obsession with going electric, adding weight to a ‘performance’ cat is simply a bad idea. Good Tube 👍
The weight of going electric and a traditional diesel motor and diesel tank is about the same if you go with lithium batteries. It can actually be less of you design it right.
Good video. I notice the boat has both lower and upper stays. I have always felt it was a little precarious to use a single stay run aft on each side - the tricycle arrangement. One wire parts and you loose the rig. I encountered a couple aboard a dismasted catamaran in Quepos Costa Rica about 5 years ago. They lost their rig about 600 miles west of Galapagos. Fortunately, they had enough fuel aboard to limp back to Golfito, Costa Rica using one engine. They had the three-wire standing rigging and it showed the dangers inherent in it. Their insurance company covered the whole thing and brought down a rigging crew and loaded shipping container from Lauderdale to rerig the boat, but it all took a few months to arrange and complete. I will rig forestay, baby stay, two shrouds to each side, and probably a backstay or two on my Gemini.
Awesome Boat 👍 and awesome that you got to use it 😎 your future child can watch this 20 years for now and say "Hey; I'm in the video too" LOL
You guys do a fantastic job of showing boats! I will be buying a boat in the next few years and I appreciate your channel. Congrats with your new addition. Keep up the good work. BTW I really like the large windows on this boat. Price is also good.
Can you do a review on a 1260? I'd love to see your opinion on it.
Strange people say this boat is small as Project Atticus is a 30' monohull live aboard. I'm looking at a 32' Macwester myself, so a 38' catamaran seems enormous. Looks like a nice one: functional, tidy. All these things are a compromise, just had to match your requirements to work. Nice review and good luck with the little one 👍
Keep up the good work... i imagine after this, you will be doing more of these bare boat charters =)
Love the Galley Down. Wish they offered a 1600 with a galley down! I’m not a fan of the gasoline, would prefer diesel and a generator but that’s just me. You missed highlighting the awesome opening salon windows forward!
I will be looking forward to the video under sail. I have always thought this boat seemed to be well layered out, practical and it looks like it would be maintainable. Very under rated aspect for folks that want to sail rather than maintain a boat in paradise. I do like the idea of the electric outboards. Could you explore that possibility some.
One thing no-one mentions regarding cats, is that when a couple need a little time apart, there’s separate hulls to sulk in. Which might save a marriage, LOL
Love seawinds myself. the are for sailors by sailors, and not for the inexperienced buyers that seem to control the cat market. they are no frills and all thrills.
Would you consider buying brand new and outfitting as you see fit, or looking for the right deal on a used one that may not be set up exactly as you want??
With the way the catamaran market is now, it makes more sense to buy new and outfit it exactly the way we want it. New boats are very close in price point to gently used, preowned boats. I think it has to do with the fact that it takes 1-2 years to build a new boat and some people dont want to wait that time period so they buy used.
I like that the kitchen range had fiddles to hold pots in place while underway
Electric outboard lift-able engines and batteries are now ALMOST the best viable option... (difference between Retired and no real time limits, - and the all too brief holiday charter)... A boom for cruising is not my choice... I prefer the Hitch Hiker rig, of flat cut genoa, roller reefed to each bow and dual sheets on each genoa set well aft... A small self tacking blade, used when the wind gets up & both genoa are fully furled (when +20 knots over the deck)... Tack downwind, (never wing on wing), and also upwind, setting for best VMG... This is my choice, for live aboard in retirement: simple, fast and easy...
People no longer drive model Ts with the first gear pedal to push to get up a hill. Make sure the arm rests on your chair are secure.
👍 you do good reviews and tour videos. Hope you two can get back on the water in the future. We know you can live abroad with a baby and sail the world.
My dads fishing boat is docked next to this boat I know the owners we give them fish sometimes it’s crazy to stumble across this video and seeing this boat
If you converted this to e-propulsion with dual e-outboards, how much battery storage do you think you would need and how much solar?
Yeah!!! Good to see you. Lots of room for building out your power system. For me, a water maker is crucial, as that is a survival item, never mind convenience. Having more solar capacity, including LiFePO
4 batteries, makes a water maker possible. If its raining, you can collect water. If its not raining, you can make water. Okay, I'm Captain Obvious. :-)
Love you guys. So happy to hear about your new addition. May the best of everything be yours. Smooth sailing. Peace;
Interesting. My wife and I live on a Corsair 3600 (it’s a cat) and there are a lot of similarities. There are a lot of differences too. The cockpit is huge as is the saloon relative to the Corsair but the tramp, deck, transoms, etc are all sacrifices for the interior. Ours is a light boat at 5ton dry and we probably have too much weight in it as is. With that extra room I could really horde some stuff! I hope they build them with the same care our Corsair was constructed with. I love our boat more every time I dig into it. She’s 27 years old and nothing creaky even offshore in relatively rough seas. No stress cracks no blisters, nothing. Vacuum bagging is wonderful, the parts most never see are still nice. No glass splinters here.
Seawind bought Corsair Marine if it's the same Corsair.
The Seawind 1600 is based on the Corsair 51 www.yachtworld.com/boats/2012/corsair-51-2655325/)
I really liked this little boat and it's the first Cat that is this small that I've liked. I really like galley down though and especially for this size and even a little larger. Would have been great if they could have fit a small forward facing Nav station in the salon and I'd be willing to give up a little of the settee to get one. Being as I'd use it as a personally family boat I wouldn't need that big of a settee and could live with just the part around the table as you have it positioned. That would leave the room needed to add the Nav station. Only thing missing is a washer/dryer and honestly it's really not that important. Great tour thanks guys...
Thanks, great review. 😎👍🏻
that is a nice smaller cat; i love those outboards how they are arranged and function.
I think your first impression was right, I think the owners did a good job getting you to change you r true thoughts by their offerings , in other words bought you..
Great detailed review - as always! Jordan, any luck spear fishing with Soulianis? :) Been "shopping" for a cat for a while now and Seawind is definitely on the short list. That new 1370 looks amazing, but I'm sure out of my price range. Been a 1260 fan from the start, but the more I look at the 1160/1190 the more impressed I am by the overall design compromises. Many thanks to Bob for offering you the charter - can't wait until we see it in action!
Thanks! The 1260 is nice but personally I think the 1160 is a better value.
I missed the part about Soulianis... Let's just say we've fed them fresh seafood a few times now!
What type of electric outboards would you consider for this cat? How much solar would you need and what type of range do you think you'd get. I've seen discussions about other electric motors, but never outboards. I'm wondering how they compare. Thanks!
Concerning the lines. They could run them over the roof? Gives an emergency hand hold. Or even along the side since it doesn’t bother the windows or step to the roof. Both removes trip hazard. .02 cents.
Running them over the coach roof wouldn't work because the helms are down, not up. Running them along the side of the cabin would cut into the window area and since they wouldn't be flat on deck would tend to tangle if you gave them slack. I've thought about this a lot, lol I really think they're in the best place possible without any huge boat design changes.
Everyone is missing the point by saying the lines are a trip hazard. This boat is setup so ALL lines run back to the cockpit, meaning you can do everything from the cockpit. So you shouldnt have to go forward unless somthing goes wrong.
You should update information about your channel on various social media and patreon. DIY was something you were doing, channels focus has changed nice to let newer viewers know about it.
At 4:07 you said there are 2 trampolines. Are these real trampolines, like kids could jump up and down and play on them? Or are they just called that but you're not supposed to jump on them?
Cool boat......except for the faulty compass. @1:15 - Boca Grande Key is West of Key West :)
Lol oops, It's a wonder that we found our way back home! 🤣
What is the water tank size? Im usually iffy about outboards for cats but that seems pretty well done and cash friendly at 3500$ for a brand new motor.
175 gallon water tank. We've done a total of seven passages back and forth from Maryland and Abacos/Key West and the outboards have never let us down or left us feeling under powered, and that includes having to motor some days when there was no wind.
From the angle that you used to show the propane tank for the grill, it looked like it would be very exposed to a following sea. The tank even looked a bit corroded to me. I also didn't see a life raft?
I'm glad you had the opportunity to take a closer look at this boat and realized that it's okay to change your minds about some of the things you thought before. I think for its size the layout is well thought out and for a cat, the price seems much more doable. I also like the idea of going with electric motors since the smell of diesel turns my stomach!
Don't worry about the folks calling you sell-outs since they obviously don't listen or read very well and get most of their exercise jumping to conclusions. Personally, I've only ever sailed monohulls but that doesn't mean I don't have opinions about what I THINK I'd want in a catamaran, subject to change if I got the chance to sail one and found out some things were not what I expected to like/dislike. It's a bit like admiring a bikini on someone, then when you try it on yourself you realize it just doesn't fit the way you'd hoped! LOL That's why they have fitting rooms.
Which generator were you using? What is the output power rating? Is it gasoline or propane powered? How much of its output had to go to the boats AC?
Myrick, it was a Honda generator. A reliable gas powered portable with a 2000 watt rating. The A/C unit is the biggest draw on a boat, the fact that the little Honda can power the A/C is great. All of it's output went to powering the A/C. I happen to use a comparable Generac 2000 watt unit.
@@stephenk.9344 Thank you, those of us that live in high humidity appreciate the information. The 2KW size would fit on a lot of small boats.
go a step up and get the ie3000 I believe, it has a Honda patented quiet mode, I was able to hold normal conversations standing over the gen
Congratulations on ur baby to come!! You 2 will be fine parents luv's! So this boat yes hearing u say u like the kitchen down made all the difference.... I still feel a lil lost when I see all that boat 2 seemingly small outboards... do u feel that's enough hp. for the job? Idk newbie hoping to get back on the water an stay there. But at moment on lock down stuck on the hard...so goal 1
Nice review!!!
Thanks!
Nice review, love this boat! What about the Aventura 34? I thought this was the best priced cat on the market?
Seawinds is coming up a lot these days!
Very happy you got away for a few days!
Awesome boat.. gorgeous views as well as Randy’s pregnancy glow is perfect! Great vid! 👌🏽😎
You guys are fantastic in this review. Thanks, it’s nice for me to dream. 🙂
Ty for the video. I really like this one . The only question is where I can put the solar panels?
In my opinion is that a lack of experience on the first video was why you were so critical of this cat, until you have spend some time on a certain vessel it’s hard to judge any boat, I’ve been sailing for a living and recreational over 30 yrs and still far from knowing it all once you get some sea time under ur belt you’ll learn to know what you like and don’t like and what works for you doesn’t mean it works for the next person
I should come sailing with you guys sometime I love sailing
Would this be a good bahama boat?
Did not see a watermaker
I wish Seawind would make some smaller boats again in the 8-10 meter range like they used to. Their lineup is really strong right now and the boats are unique compared to most other catamarans.
Hope you guys go for it, love the boat!
Thanks for posting and sharing. Liked this boat better than the Lagoon 440 you reviewed.
I've never sailed on a cat so I can't wait for that video. I wonder how badly it would have to sail to keep me from considering a cat as the cockpit alone is a huge selling point to me (considering the 90% at anchor theory).
Here's a hint: she sails faster and flatter than any mono I've ever sailed.
Would it be electric outboards or those regen motors that go through the bottom of the hullthos also rotate 90⁰ left and right to act as thrusters to make it even more maneuverable than a ship with just two separate rearward facing motors
Glad you now see the quality of a Seawind, a truly innovative boat building company. They will soon own the market.
I think so. They're probably one of the most forward-thinking builders out there.
@@LearningtheLines I was one of those who critiqued your earlier review, and felt that you were missing the strengths of the boat and instead, saw them as weaknesses. I also thought the 1160 would be perfect for you two, once you understood why the boat surpasses many larger boats in quality and features, and is also much more affordable. Glad you both are open minded and gave it a 2nd look. I think this review is spot on. I will be retiring onto a 1260 in a few, but I would not hesitate to do so onto an 1160 as well. These are blue water performance boats with very smart/comfortable layouts. If you like electric outboards, the lite should be easy to set up. Well done.
Brilliant. Have you bought the boat?
I was curious what your heights are? I can see that it looks just barely tall enough to stand in below deck. I am asking as a 6' 6" person who always has to think about head space in what I buy.
The island bed cabin is actually very cramped for adults.
You would suffer, same as I would.
Hi in your opinion being on the boat if you have sailed it how is it operating it? I’m thinking about buying one but I am concern about the helm station because it seems like you don’t have much of a POV to look through a window looking through the living room to drive forward seems like a giant blind spot. What is your opinion on it? I would love to know thank you.
How do you feel about the outboards vs traditional diesels?
Like seeing Brandy in the video, beautiful catamaran
Have you thought about using a mil.surplus parachute from the anchor winch. Very high above the bow to catch more stable wind. For downwind sailing ? I have been trying to get someone to try this.
There is already such a system that uses a kite sail and it's own computer controlled winch.
What's a 1161 go for ?
Interested in cruising speeds with the outboards (1 vs 2, speed at what rpm, fuel per hour, etc?)
As a newbie to sailing I just recently found out about Seawind and this more affordable catmaran. Does the offboard motors make it better than internal diesels for maintenance if intended for coastal cruising?
This tours that you do normally are great but just scratch the surface. You really need to spend some time on a boat to give it a real evaluation. Yes, I like this boat too. Have sailed a few of them they are good quality.
BUY IT... BUY IT... BUY IT!!!
What do you two own? It’s helpful to know what your point of reference is...
And, why are you doing reviews?
If you watch their other videos you will discover they had a boat before, two actuall (monohulls), gave up trying to restore the last one and gave it away. Now they are saving up to buy an newer boat.
That boat wants a central tether anchor on the coach roof with a tether just long enough to hook on before you climb up.
I agree. It wouldn't be hard to install safety tethers.
Boats are a series of compromises. Glad you were able to spend more time aboard and were not to proud to adjust your opinions.
My wife and I are considering retiring on a trawler, now we have to consider a sea wind cat
Thanks for looking at the sea wind again they’re great boats.
Nice video. Nice Boat. How is it in rough seas? Choppy water? High winds?
Thanks for another thorough boat tour. Could you please try to incorporate some headroom figures in main areas in following episodes? It's a topic that not a lot of people cover in their reviews even though it is an issue of interest with many taller individuals. I am certainly one. P.S. When I wrote this comment I haven't watched the video to the end to notice that you did mention headroom this time. Thanks again, it seems like a very nice well-designed boat with ample space, especially for its size.
Watch the Ruby Rose tube channel. They went round pretty much every cat and have picked a Seawind.
@@snafufubar I've watched them but I don't recall them getting a lot more specific on headroom figures. The Seawind they ordered is in the 700K $ range way above my budget.
I'm looking forward to seeing you guys actually sailing a boat again. 😊👍👍👍👍
Great choice.
How is slapping noise under the bridge of it when underway?
How was the crow?
Does it have a water maker
Best bang for the buck! No doubt.
Your anxieties about access to the cabin top are unfounded if you use standard practice of wearing life line harnesses and use them in sketchy weather or on solo watch. A trailing lifeline when under passage should always be paid out for safety purposes in case the harness line fails.
This cat is very well laid out and finished. My only quibbles are the lack of a washing machine for longer passages, I didn't see a wind turbine for Aux charging, and I would change out the molded in sheet pockets for open weave bags for each sheet. As is the lines could tangle. The Propane tank hung aft is a potential failure in rough or following sea conditions for mine.
Cheers Eric
Love this design!
As a sailing couple, how often do you use those extra bedrooms? If it was just the two (soon three!) of you, would you convert those berths to other uses (workshop, art room, whatever)?
Well, in the future if we become a family of four, those berths are perfect for the kids, but until then, yes, that aft berth on the starboard side could definitely be a workshop.
It’s also nice for family and friends when they join you. It’s like having an extra room at the house they become multi functional
@@LearningtheLines the aft berth is probably the best place to sleep, together with the berth in the cockpit, when you are sailing in rough weather, is also the better place for your baby as you can easily close it with some kind of net and is near the galley, you will need a place where to "park" the baby when you are cooking or sailing and it seems to be the perfect place for it, much better then the high berths forward.
I don't suggest you to transform it in a workshop or at least, if you actually buy the boat, don't do it too soon, before you find out how it can be useful.
those queen size berths forward are great at anchor, but far from perfect when you are cruising, you feel more the pitching and the slamming of the waves, that even in a boat with good deck clearance like that are something unavoidable.
I've never really seen them sail the 3 years I been watching them! Maybe once?
@@Guvrunner, After fixing up Freebee they were sailing all the time. I would say that maybe a year ago they docked their boat at a private site - with the intention of doing more upgrades, but the place was under construction. That interfered with that process, so, . . . Then it was only about 8 months ago that they decided to give Freebee away. I would guess that they were actively sailing for at least a couple years. I think the plans for a baby made a big difference. Their idea to build or buy a catamaran has been going on for almost a year(?). But sailing has certainly been on hold for a while, with the boat tours substituting.
What is the headroom below and up in the salon?
What is Freebie status?
Based on a couple years cruising the South Pacific on a Searunner 37' trimaran, I always felt the boat was a bit on the "small" side in heavy weather. Sailing across tradewind belts (American Samoa to Tonga, for instance) makes one feel very vulnerable to capsize. For what it's worth, I think multihulls should be at least 40' and probably wouldn't cruise on one myself unless it was 44 or larger. A big 46' Piver trimaran capsized (with all 5 hands lost) while crossing from New Zealand to Fiji back in the mid 1970s. Size does matter.
Nice thanks for keeping it real.
Looks like there is enough room for a washer/dryer combo. That down galley was nice, it's just food down and food up all the time (no vomit jokes please). Needs a dumbwaiter.
I prefer to have a wet head or locker within a yard of the companionway, so wet foulies can be stripped off and hung to dry without traipsing them through the boat.
I'd also like to see a nav table that still allows me to spread out charts. That one is sized for laptops only.
Galley down is so much more advantageous.
It certainly makes sense in a cat this size. It's much easier to understand once you've been aboard a few days.
And with probably twice the space than a smaller up galley. An up galley would make the saloon settee smaller also.
It often does on a boat this size but galley up gets better above 38'
What size boat?