SAILING the BEST Catamaran Under 40' [Seawind 1160 Lite Sailing Review/Vlog #2] Learning the Lines
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2020
- This is the second video in a multi-part sailing/cruising review of the Seawind 1160 Lite. We had the opportunity to cruise aboard a Seawind 1160 Lite for three days alone to really get a feel for if this boat will be right for us. We vlogged about our trip and we'll be sharing what our thoughts are about the boat as much as possible.
We're seriously considering the Seawind 1160 Lite for our next boat because of the long list of positives this catamaran has to offer. Here's just a few of the most important ones to us:
Size - We don't want a huge cat.
Seaworthiness - Plenty of Seawinds have circumnavigated.
Performance - The Seawind 1160 lite is designed to sail well first and foremost.
Livability - She's got a lot of accommodation and room for a 38' boat.
Price point - At a $310,000 base price for a new boat, the Seawind 1160 lite is the most affordable performance cruising catamaran in existence.
All of that combined with the fact that we can set one up with electric outboards, daggerboards, and lifting rudders means we think that the Seawind 1160 Lite might be the best boat possible for our budget and lifestyle.
What do you think?
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Well done, ignore the judgements of others...your honesty and humility are refreshing..
Seawind 1160 is a brilliant solution for Florida and Caribean cruising. When you see one at a boat show you tend to think it is cheap because it is clearly a sparse open deck cat with an enclosure added. It's like looking down on a friend who only has aluminum patio furniture in their home until one day when you go to a party there, have an absolute riot, and the next morning it's cleaned and reset in 20 minutes with no more effort than hosing off some puke. Dude, you're a genius!
Thanks for posting and sharing. Nice to see both of you sailing, instead of at a marina as you said. Looks like a beautiful sail, and nice conditions, nice sunset.
I have been a mono hull lover for many many years but watching that cat sail has changed my mind. That boat is a lot more practical than many other cats you toured in the past.
i love the boat reviews but, this was the best. a sailing review is the best one can do. great lob.
Great video! Can’t wait to see you guys test the 1190. It was easy to see you loved being on the water
sailing again.
Thanks for explaining things about how you are sailing and showing working with the sails
I never thought much of catamarans until I saw this and the previous video from you. The space in that cockpit and living accommodation is amazing. I'm glad I watched these videos!
It's sadly unlikely I'll ever own a boat, being retired and well away from coasts. But I can get a taste of the life watching your boat tours and this catamaran has been a treat.
I hope you get the boat you are looking for. Meanwhile, all the best to you, and to Randi and the upcoming baby! Take care!
Great Vid !!!.....sailing action is always entertaining. And, I really like your technical shares re- sail trim and actions. The SW 1160 would be a great fit for my family.
Thanks for the update. I was getting a little concerned about how you and the boat would do with the Tropical Storm/Hurricane Isaias, I'm glad to see doing well. Congratulations on your upcoming family addition. You two have a wonderful situation where you can check out your best options at minimal expense, and I'm sure you will love the final result. God Bless and stay safe.
Really enjoyed this review. Great video
Awesome video!
So glad that you got to enjoy the boat in the real world that’s how we live all
The time on our Australian boat ours is a terrific machine too thanks for doing this review it’s a good review of real world sailing and living great work .
love you guys! great job!
That's what I've been looking at. Nice boat. I like the outboard motor layout they have.
Speaking of the Miami Boat Show, I had a very nice conversation with you both at the show. Glad to see your back out sailing again and congratulations regarding the pregnancy! All the best from way up North in Palm Beach County. 🏝
Glad you got to experience a Seawind in her element, under sail in fair winds. 15kts and comfortable seas are nearly perfect conditions and gave you a great day on the water. Add a screacher or code zero headsail and pickup another 2kts of boat speed but the tradeoff is that once you exceed 10kts over water there will be some spray off the bows. Not necessarily a bad thing and she will still feel very stable and under control. Cheers from SoCal and best wishes to the expecting parents!
For shure the baby will like it a lot. Thanks for the video and good luck.
A new cat even a budget one... is a baby maker !!!
Seawind is on fire lately! Good on ‘em.
Nice selection of music. Great video, too.
You guys have finally sold me on this Cat. Maybe in 20 more years I will upgrade. lol Nice job!
Looks like fun!
A nice looking boat and a well done video as usual. Good luck in the home straight with the little un, although with the video delay they may be here by now ! 😎
Very nice vessel!! Again, great videos and congratulations on Randy’s increasing nap sessions 😂, I understand all too well, expecting our baby girl in October!
Its interesting that both you and RubyRose have ended up falling in love with the Aussie Seawind catamarans.
Looks like a fun day,
Buy one. Then your channel will be about your family exploring and growing with your seawind.
Congrats one the new addition
i really set my mind on 1190. it seems to be an amazing catamaran !
don't even mind that you've basically become a Seawind channel - you two are cool
I absolutely love Cameron's you did a great job with the video it looks like it's very easy to sail by the way my family used to own half of Stock Island and the house directly across the street from Hemingway's now known as lighthouse court
Looks like the perfect boat for you guys
awesome vid. very very nice couple.
Most importantly, congratulations on a new family member . Maybe it's just me but 310 grand is a lot of coin . I know I have to compare apples to apples so yes it's priced right compared to other cats. It would probably take the average sailor a couple of mono-hull upgrading trades to move up to a boat like this so I'm thinking the market age over 45 at least. The beauty here is the single handed ease of sail, speed and stability. The more I look at her the better she gets. Fair winds.
Great to see you three out sailing! Have you been watching the sailing channel RAN? They have a baby as well. Wishing you all the very best. Cheers from Juneau Alaska.
Greg Chaney
Wow. I can charter this cat? Cool. I'd say that's now on the bucket list, but it's actually a higher priority then some day. Thanks.
Sounds like you're sold. Happy for you! Keep that sailing kitty growing!
That's the plan!
Learning the Lines that’s awesome dude, look forward to see some more of these videos, This maybe a stupid question but is this a boat that you could sail around the world? Or is more of a coastal cruiser?
Seawinds are built to cross oceans, so yes! Many have already circumnavigated.
Learning the Lines it’s just I read somewhere that under 40 ft would be tough to circumnavigate but it looks like seawind is a step above most other boats
respect for respecting...
good choice a tunes
Really enjoy your more traditional cruising videos. And really miss your boat repair videos. Y'all really need to get a boat and with the wee one on the way really love to see you in a cat.
Unfortunately you're in the minority there. We'd love to do more cruising videos but boat tours always perform 10x better.
Love your show. I hope you have a healthy wonderful baby. Be safe and have fun. GOD bless ya’ll.
Congrats on the baby you two!! I like your videos and will be following. (Mike or Michelle) Just saying...
I didn't know you were going to have a little Popeye! Awesome! Sorry for being ignorant. God Bless your little family!
After looking at the specs, I think I would also prefer the 1190. Good video. Thanks!
Best 1190 dagger rudder and dagger board, 100% the best one, plus upper and lower stays
that is (is) a great boat
Nice review. Did the dinghy have electric start and tilt
I was on the 1160 Lite last weekend in Sydney. Beautiful boat. I had the same thoughts about the rear benches. I want to be able to lie down somewhere in the cockpit for a snooze. They have addressed this with the Seawind 1260 which has a nice rear lounge and table with the BBQ on the side. I’m not sure why you want to go faster with the 1190? That has been designed for racing and would be more difficult to sail single handed. The 1160 is no slouch and with a young family, safety and ease of sailing is more important. Like you say with a screecher and an Asymmetric on the 1160 you’d be laughing!
This was a really great video. Your insights were very informative. I am thinking of purchasing a boat for the family (4 w/two teens) and sailing the world, what would you consider a minimum size catamaran for bluewater sailing?
Yup 1190 is on my dream list...
Ignore those who proclaim you can't change your minds after a real world experience. Big difference between a boat show and the ocean. I know people who bought a car at a car show and hated it a month later. Stay safe and healthy.
Self tacking jib is awesome to have, almost as good as auto pilot
Nice.. I'll be looking at how far the price comes down on used SeaWinds in 5-10yr..
I really like this boat. One of the features that I like is the outboard engines that tuck away when under sail.
It's one of the best features. You can really feel the boat pick up another knot or so when they come out of the water. The Seawind 1160 Lite is faster than the 1160 with diesels because of this.
Exactly!. I searched far and wide for an older smaller cat with a outboard. I finally got it. I was so sick of boats and engine problems and the problem of working on inboard engines. Not to mention the cost. When I saw this boat and the two tucked away outboards. I smacked my face and thought. ... ok maybe down the road. lol
Ya, I like the ease of maintenance of an outboard but you need to change those fule filters every 40-50hours... Not convinced that I can get a 25HP Yamaha around the world.
@@michaelzietlow280 I am pretty sure I haven't put 5 hours on my engine in a year. I only use it to dock/anchor. So I am convinced you can. lol even if you could not make a circumnavigation on one engine, the repair or maintenance is pennies! I don't know Marina in the world that can't outboards serviced. Then again my 30 ft cat is so light and has a 48 foot mast. IT literally can haul butt in 1 knot of wind. Seriously interesting little boat. But I do like this 1160 for its size and comforts. Definitely a new contender. Will have to charter one and see for myself. Before knowing about this one I favored the Gemini 105's
@@michaelzietlow280 outboard filters are cheaper than diesel filters. You can get fuel line filters cheap- and 40-50 hours is a long time with a sailboat- if that is even the change interval..
For me it is between the Balance 442 and the Seawind 1260. The Balance has daggerboards and has the versa helm...but I love the galley down in the 1260, the quality of the build, their warranty policy and the value for money.
Looks good. As a live aboard would it be big enough and how would a marina berth cost compare to say renting?
1:56 My guess is that the beaches are closed for sea turtle nesting areas.
Thank you, the Seawind looks like a good option. If that price point is in your budget, wouldn't a used boat in a different brand make more sense?
With the outboards, how was the engine controlled steering in marina and docking? Also, did you try some single-engine while cruising?
I'm personally a bit more inclined to the 1260 mainly because I like the cockpit more and those 3 extra feet for just a bit more speed, though the 1190's daggerboards and lifting rudders are awfully tempting. I was really excited about the 1370 since a 45 foot lwl would be great, but it's following in the FP/Leopard/Lagoon "floating apartment" style that I'm just not totally sold on.
I think Ideally, I would have a 1260 that's got daggerboards and lifting rudder, stretched to 45 feet with a dual SD20 oceanvolt system and 4kW of solar on top.
Great series of videos on a great boat. Can you please flesh out your idea of repowering with electric outboards and batteries? How much battery storage do you think you’ll need for an acceptable range under power, and do you plan on a diesel generator to add to your range? Thx and good luck.
I haven't done the actual calculations because I'd need to talk to an engineer for that, but just from experience with our own electric conversion and using the Seawind 1160's numbers, I'm thinking two 10 kW outboards with around 20 kW of lithium batteries would be ideal. That would most likely give a range of around 40-60 NM without any other input. Max speed would be the same as gasoline, but the range would be much less. I'd rather not go with a generator as that would add a ton of weight and complication, and smaller performance cats are very weight-sensitive. If we were building a 50 footer I'd probably go with the genny because the payload capacity of a bigger cat is much more.
A 1190 electric is the cats meow. Induction oven, max solar with lithium batteries, diesel generator for backup power, electric outboards and SCUBA air compressor. Coastal cruiser and Bahama's. Agree with ditching the bench barbie and got with rail mounted. Check out Evan Dick's testimonial on Sea Wind web site blog on his very customized 1190 with 140hp (not sure if that's diesels or outboards and if he kept the dagger boards or went with mini keels)?
Love your videos, particularly this one. I've been researching the 1160/1190 for a while also and, while I appreciate the benefits of the outboards, here's my biggest concern (and this applies double to electric OB's): I live in the US and would want to be able to take the boat to the Caribbean. I really don't like week-plus passages (and my wife likes them even less), so I'd want to take the "Thorny Path" (which I've done in reverse, but not upwind). If you've read Van Sant's book "Passages South", making this route "thornless" involves a pretty decent amount of motorsailing or even flat out motoring. I just don't think the OB's would be up to it, and the range would be too limited (with a higher fuel burn rate and only 72 gallons). Other than that, I think the 1160 is an ideal boat for us and seems like for you two (three) also. Just something to think about.
they both have diesel options, with that in mind, I wouldn't do the thorny path on a catamaran, especially a smaller one, the bridge slap beating into the easterly trades would be torture.
Drop down outboards certainly make maintenance and repair way easier and less expensive. Did those outboards have alternators to charge the batteries?
Nice video guys , how much is the price of that catamaran in particular ?
Randy is getting BIG (something I am sure she does not want to hear.. LOL)! There are some women who seem to be made to be pregnant (none of the changes seem to affect them (I have friend who could not have WALKED on that boat without getting sick (she got sick in Norfolk HARBOR alongside the pier (on a 545 foot destroyer!)). Looks like you are homing in on what you want and expect from you next boat. While I love the tour videos I am eagerly awaiting to see (sea) what boat you guys get, how you make it yours, and starting your journey...
I'd like to think that any intelligent person updates their opinions as more information becomes available. You are awesome and never stop doing you. Thanks for keepin' it real, mateys! Much love to your budding family and I hope to see you both one day, out on the seas, arghh. #truthpirate
Did you miss having a table in the cockpit? Some of the best times I’ve had on charter cats were evening meals dining in the cockpit.
Not really, the saloon table is right there and with the door wide open it's almost the same as being in the cockpit.
I enjoy your videos. Also congratulations on the baby coming.The one thing I would not do is electric power.It leaves you dead in the water too much.Plus the thousands of dollars and battery weight would not be for me.The help with Green Earth I support and understand, but the 2 small 4 stroke outboards are not doing much harm.In life or death sailing give me an internal combustion engine.....I have 50 years in the auto industry and can say the worst dependable and highest maintenance vehicles are full electric and hybrid vehicles.That would hold true on the water...The danger is also there with high voltage electric engines with sea water such as flooding. A shock from a 300 volt DC system is pretty much the end....Fire departments are not allowed close to a flooded electric cars.I have seen the training and the car has to stop sizzling before ,as the car company said" Probable body removal".
Seems like an awesome Cat ...To sail solo to...Thats good to no...Like the whole layout of that Cat.....Yyyyyyeeeeewwwww.....Forgot to ask...How was it motoring with the out boards???.....Can you put bigger outboards on that Cat ??....😎
Motoring was great. There's no need for anything bigger engine-wise.
Check out the Maine Cat 38
Look at an older Gemini. You could change out the inboard with an electric and they only draw 18" with boards up. It is also affordable for a couple with a baby on board.
Although lots of people enjoy their geminis, my biggest problem with them is the narrow beam. They don't perform the best and aren't the safest offshore catamarans out there because of this.
At 4:20'ish if Randi was not onboard would the reef point in the main been eliminated & the main close hauled for better performance? I have sailed many mono, cat & tri hulled vessels that made way like a scalded feline probably at or above its design limits possibly "tip toeing" on the edge of its theoretical limits; I find many of these "modern" electronic sail performance "indicators" to hamper intuitive acumen.
Save up and get it 😊
so a general, "overall" question for my much more experienced sailing friends here....how does a cat (and I'm thinking about this 1160 in particular) handle in rough weather? I've been a single hull sailor all my life, but I have been finding myself feeling tempted by this beautiful boat. But I am wondering how they handle intermediate waves and higher winds. And I'm thinking about on passage, as in crossing the Pacific from LA to Hawaii or across the Atlantic. How would a cat like this compare to a single hull? Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences they might be willing to share? Thanks for taking time to read my comment!
Great video, I would be interested to know what would be the set up for the electric outboards vs the current ones and how will they compare in performance... Speed and range.. like you said with enough batteries but not to much to make it heavy..
I haven't done the actual calculations because I'd need to talk to an engineer for that, but just from experience with our own electric conversion and using the Seawind 1160's numbers, I'm thinking two 10 kW outboards with around 20 kW of lithium batteries would be ideal. That would most likely give a range of around 40-60 NM without any other input. Max speed would be the same as gasoline, but the range would be much less.
That sounds kind of small in terms of the battery. You should only use 70-80% of the range of the lithium batteries too. That size of battery would get my car 40-60 NM (it has a 16 kWh battery), I don't think it will get a catamaran that far though.
I would estimate the amount of battery power to go a certain number of miles in this way. It is about 10 kWh = 1 gallon of gas to travel the same distance in a car. So if it takes 6 gallons of gas to go a certain distance with two outboard engines, it will take 60 kWh to go the same.
I've never been on a catamaran, not even a small Hobie Cat. However I do understand the advantages of a small Hobie Cat in that it's easier to keep them upright since you're weight is further from the mast. Not as much need to hike out as on a small/dingy monohull. But none of this really pertains to a LARGE cat. Since I also watch LaVaga videos I've seen what goes on on a cat. There have been repeated remarks about it being a "house". ? ? ? And it really seems to me that a catamaran is a slick pontoon houseboat with sails.
To their credit cats are stable and often faster than monohulls. But the thing I like about every monohull I've owned is the dynamic nature of sailing them. You feel the character of the wind as well as the sea state. The amount the boat is heeling always tells me so much about many aspects of a day's sail. I would add that due to these things it takes/requires more skill to sail a monohull well.
Now, a large cat typically won't heel very much. And if a cat heels to the ultimate degree (mainsail near horizontal) then the cat is probably on it's way to capsizing. Whereas a monohull will off load the force of the wind and return to (more or less) upright - and continue sailing. And here's something I just realized, a cat, if it is hit with enough wind to take one hull out of the water now not only has the sails catching the wind but also has the large under surface of the boat catching wind. That will aid in the boat going completely over. This isn't possible on a monohull. Wind speed can vary throughout the day and sometimes radically. I'd rather have a boat that, in the worst case, will still be sailing after the worst has passed. I must add, however, that I am not a cruiser. I haven't done any long voyages. Scott W
while all what you say makes sense, it's hardly ever heard of capsized catamarans.
@@HueNarcisWorld You are right. But it is probably more rare that a monohull capsizes. However, large swells broad side to a monohull, plus strong winds with gusts are the most likely to flip a monohull. But I think the same could be said of a cat. In the end there are many differences between monohulls and catamarans. It's up to the perspective buyer to understand those differences and pick the type of sailboat that fits them best.
I have owned a Lagoon 380 and now a Leopard 38. I have a friend that owns a Seawind 1160. Ford Chevy, Doxge? All are about the same. Not a big fan of,the outboards , and lack of a living bridge deck cabin kinda limits it as a true liveboard tho.
Being a 40' boat the area for solar is quite limited. I noticed the solar fitted was shaded a lot. How will you recharge the batteries on the electric drives?
38’.
Oh no! The high piracy of Waddle Mama, and her henchman Jordan. Love it! Arrrghh from Tampa. So, its a boy. You let it slip. :-)
wow when motoring its fast
She can move for sure!
So going to give me one then
Great to see how Seawind has proven itself to you beyond your first review. This is really a great boat for you two. If you're going to circumnavigate, you might think about the 1160 with diesels, but if you want electric outboards, this might be the best platform. I'll be retiring onto a Seawind in 3-5 years out of Asia, and I wouldn't hesitate to live aboard the 1160. It can take you wherever you want to go, in comfort, for an incredibly reasonable price. Well done.
Thx for the vid and good feedback. I missed this at Annapolis but maybe next year, in Miami. Be safe!
Cruise in space with the Vulcanista I know the economy of the diesels is better but would gas motors not work ok too. I thought I seen a few wharrem cats with this type of setup and they sail all over the world, almost all sailers I have seen has a lot of issues with diesel and algae or crud growing in the tanks
Couldn't you attach a hammock in the cockpit to lay down?
Please answer me that - What is the real payload ? I can not find this info anywhere !
I can't believe 5 people did like this? Good job guys!
Am I crazy or would sleeping on that rear seat be stressful? It looks like you could fall right into the water.
Admit it, you love it and want one? 😎
Would rather listen to the wind and the boat in the water than the music in the background other than that nice video
Can you install larger outboards ?
Not necessary at all.
FYI tack into the wind and she will pound no matter how high the bridge deck is. Downwind she will not pound except on a big wave.
Forever boat ?
Jordan, were you comfortable with the helm position? Did you have clear sight lines of the bow since you have to look through a pair of glass. It seems to me that the helm location is like driving a car from the back seat.
Yes, the helm positions in my opinion are perfect for a few reasons including visibility, protection, proximity to the saloon/cockpit, low enough that they don't require the boom to be too high, comfortable, and close to being able to see your sails and handle the lines. I'd even argue that I had less visibility at the Endeavour 32 helm.
Learning the Lines: Cool. Thank you for your input.
You know I was kind of disappointed you guys always do great videos why didn't you show the interior
This is a part 2. The first vid they do the whole interior
I like the living space and all but my biggest hesitation with cats is something I don't see addressed on You Tube. Marinas. Some marinas charge cats double for the beam and I know some that have a 20' limit altogether. It's a nice thought to say "I will always be at anchor or an a ball" but its not realistic. The reality is the marina market is halved (I think) with a cat. Never having owned one, I don't know for sure how much of an issue this is. Seems it could be bothersome.
I've been considering a catamaran and the price is double in my marina. Not to mention haul out facilities, extra fees for insurance ect. I really want one just not sure if I can justify it.
Sorry Tony but you must not have a lot of experience on Cats. You don’t need a marina with Cats, plenty of solar/wind turbine generated electric and if you are smart setting up a battery system to make an A/c system available isn’t hard at all. Investing enough money in battery storage for a/c is far cheaper because you don’t need marinas at that point. You complain cats are 2x more expensive but they provide a living experience that doesn’t need a marina.
Nothing here looks problematic on this Cat. Perfect size for 4 or less an great amenities. Be well
Don't get me wrong. I like the idea of the push button extra crew person, but I personally love hand steering. It takes all the stress of regular life right out of me. If you're fatigued after a day of sailing, you're doing it wrong. Just my opinion.
I'd hope there's no hull slap, looks like a lake, ha.
I'm sold if I win the lotto I'll buy a seawind.
For a 40 footer the little out boards seems kind of cheesy. For long term and distance I really think the cat is the way to go. Who want to have fun when in the cabin on a reach if it means you walk around on the walls of the cabin. The space is well worth the difference. Lots of people hang on to mono hulls out of pure stubbornness,
Some hang on to monohull due to necessity. You can get a decent monohull for $10k and refit for $20k and have a great boat. I haven't come across a cat where you can do that.
Where did you hide the boat salesman while you filmed for youtube on your test rides?
6:43. Not sailing music!