Handled professionally by all parties. Plenty of additional info to keep all advised. Particularly liked 61V checking in with a concise summary of their situation and intentions when handed over to approach, just in case tower hadn’t included everything. And tower’s asking for approach reports from company traffic. Everything clear, precise, professional and helpful. A masterclass in emergency RTC.
PERFECT! It’s been a long while since I last heard a proper PANPAN/MAYDAY signal. It was clear, short, and to the point. Kudos to the pilots and ATC. (Only a minor misunderstanding by the pilots, when Dublin Approach told them that Tower had noticed a quick flameout from their no.2 engine right after the bird strikes. But hey, pilots are people too.😊)
Aer-Lingus pilots are always professional and polite. Great job by all involved and kudos also to Ryanair flight for calling out the wind shear. Thank you for another great one VASAviation.
It sounded to me that the approach controller said "flame-out", but the pilot disagreed, saying they never lost thrust.... The dictionary meaning is "an instance of the flame in the combustion chamber of a jet engine being extinguished, with a resultant loss of power.".. I'm pretty sure ATC meant to say "Tower saw a flame {coming out of } the engine."
I think it's actually just an irish habit to leave out the 'of'. The ATC meant "Tower saw a flame out [of] the engine" but in Ireland you wouldn't need to say as much - the second pilot sounded British so might not have caught it (you might say i need to get out the car or out the house for example when you mean out *of* the car/house)
I wasn't expecting the wind shear. Guessing Ryanair wasn't either. The bird strike wasn't enough to convince them to go around but the wind shear gave them a clue.
There is no reason to go around for a birdstrike to a departing aircraft. The Ryanair would be at taxi speed before they would even come close to any dead birds on the runway. And why would you not be expecting a windshear? I guarantee the Ryanair guys were prepared for the possibility of a windshear with those winds!
When i was working for Delta 11 years ago at MSY a Boeing 757-200 had a bird strike on a hawk that was hunting in a field about 150 yards from the end of the runway. The plane had to circle back and land and it took about two days for Delta to fly in mechanics and change the fan blades out.
Bird strike after rotation, and bird strike that damaged an engine after rotation are two different things. There could have been engine debris on the runway.
Misleading title. There were flames coming out of the engine, but no flameout. Even the half-asleep approach controller got that wrong and confused the pilot.
On the bright side of an obviously serious event, as an Irish person it's funny the amount of times the Irish accent subtitles are incorrect in these videos. At 6:31 for example, the Aer Lingus pilot says "..about maybe 1000-1500 feet I would imagine" but the subtitles/uploader thought it was "over the ground". Hmm. 😂
@VASAviation.Thank you very much for these quality videos, we learn a lot. I would have a question because I noticed in some videos when the pilot does not respect a directive of the Tower (JFK for example), one gives a phone number to the pilot. I understand that it amounts to a warning, but concretely what is it for? Should he call this number and explain his mistake? Or this number should be called if the pilot has a problem and needs help (hijacking). (Sorry if it sounds silly but I'm just discovering this new world (air highways, cutouts from the airport to the ground for the runways...)
It's not usually good news when they get asked to call the tower. Its usually due to a mistake. All the times they are asked to call the tower it is so they can have a better conversation whilst allowing the radios to remain free for other traffic. I've heard on videos of pilots asked to call the tower to give more information on a situation. And once the tower asked someone to call to say thanks for asking the question which meant the controller could correct their mistake so not always negative. E.g if radios this day were busy they may have asked one of these pilots to call the tower to give more details about where the birds were, or more information on the weather if it was that bad so that other pilots could have instructions going in an out of the airport. Not a silly question - not sure if you found the answer since you posted but it may help someone else reading the comments. I've only learnt it through watching videos and reading comments
I think it was a matter of semantics. Tower saw *flame* coming *out* of the engine exhaust, so to communicate quickly and succinctly, they just said “flameout.”
Quick flameout on a bird strike is just the bird(s) passing through the blades of the compressor. If it's pigeons or smaller, they don't cause large damage and the engine continues to operate "normally" apart from some vibrations caused by debris inside the engine or little cracks on the blades.
@@VASAviation ok the title caused confusion. Flameout usually ends up meaning engine failure so I thought the engine had failed or at least shutdown but then didn’t hear any mention about it
@@tomstravels520 Yea, I think the pilot was confused too - Tower meant "flame came out", pilot heard "flameout", so there was a few clarifications going back and forth there.
Interesting that they still made him climb to 5000 although engine damage is pretty much implied by a bird strike. Also seemt like the pilot wanted to level at 3000 initially.
I noticed that as well. Especially with the crew specifying that was their intention. I'd classify as an error in the controller handoff that can be learned from in a debrief. When a crew declares a PAN and specifies what they want and it is accepted it should be left alone. The crew has other things to handle.
A question to all pilots/atc workers/airport workers: What is done to try and midigate or stop bird strikes? It seems that this is a fairly normal occurence, and I just wondered what does the airport do to prevent bird strikes?
Habitat removal, repellant scent sprays, sonic repellants (sound cannons, often), regular patrols by wildlife control officers ... pretty much everything they can think of that has any history of success. (Note that ground animals like deer can be a problem as well as birds, so they get driven off as well.) It's not that the airfields aren't trying, it's just a hard problem.
from the point of a pilot not a lot can be done, just try to see and avoid, typically on slower stuff you can just climb as birds will tend to dive, but on the fast stuff, there's no time for that. I've dodged plenty of birds (including a big eagle) in a c172, only had a bat strike my wheel fairing at night on take off (no damage).
The Irish are always textbook. PANPANPAN straightaway, calm, clear, and perfect communication from all. American flight schools need to hire only Irish instructors.
yep, pilot probably wont get paid if he goes around! (however, in all honesty ryanair pilots are actually paid very well, and have been attracting pilots ansd crew from AL, BA, AF, BE for many years
@@VASAviation Serious question: Would it be fair to assume a high probability of the birds (those who survived, and those close by) would be freaked out to the point of running for cover. And stay well clear for a while? And that the majority of pilots would use that as their reasoning for ‘ignoring’ the recent bird strikes?
Does anyone know why Aer Lingus flight numbers so often have letters in them, like "61V"? Know I've seen a Mike flight number too. Always seems like Aer Lingus flights in videos like this got letters in em.
They get much better reception of the ground vehicles' signals because they are much closer to each other than the third-party receivers that record these exchanges.
@@VASAviation The "flame out" is used incorrectly by the controller too and it confused also the pilots. An engine flame out means, that there is no more ignition in the engine, so the engine doesn't produce thrust anymore. If flames come out of the engine, that's a surge or compressor stall.
The first ATC controller was top notch. The second guy didn't speak up and enunciate even when asked to repeat his transmission. I teach English as a second language and that's just bad overall, I'm listening on a cell phone and he was probably much louder and clearer. I was impressed with the first guy!
![[REAL ATC] Aer Lingus HYDRAULIC LOSS and FIRE at JFK](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gjpBcGGsE6w/mqdefault.jpg)
*Irish pilots and controllers always so professional...*
TOP OF THE MORNIN, TO YA!!!!!! LMAO!
Handled professionally by all parties. Plenty of additional info to keep all advised. Particularly liked 61V checking in with a concise summary of their situation and intentions when handed over to approach, just in case tower hadn’t included everything. And tower’s asking for approach reports from company traffic. Everything clear, precise, professional and helpful. A masterclass in emergency RTC.
PERFECT!
It’s been a long while since I last heard a proper PANPAN/MAYDAY signal.
It was clear, short, and to the point.
Kudos to the pilots and ATC. (Only a minor misunderstanding by the pilots, when Dublin Approach told them that Tower had noticed a quick flameout from their no.2 engine right after the bird strikes. But hey, pilots are people too.😊)
The exact opposite of American ATC.
Do they only put the EM tag on for a Mayday?
Excellent ATC/aircraft cooperation. Not a single (OK, one) missed transmission, clever delivery of current WX after windshear event. Well done all!
came here after watching the Miami tower bird strike video : ua-cam.com/video/k8LpDTCXcFg/v-deo.html
What a stark difference lmao
Aer-Lingus pilots are always professional and polite. Great job by all involved and kudos also to Ryanair flight for calling out the wind shear.
Thank you for another great one VASAviation.
They would have been asked the reason for the GA eventually
Loved this combination of sources, of simulation, ATC and radar - great job, thanks so much! :)
Thanks for watching
It sounded to me that the approach controller said "flame-out", but the pilot disagreed, saying they never lost thrust.... The dictionary meaning is "an instance of the flame in the combustion chamber of a jet engine being extinguished, with a resultant loss of power."..
I'm pretty sure ATC meant to say "Tower saw a flame {coming out of } the engine."
I think it's actually just an irish habit to leave out the 'of'. The ATC meant "Tower saw a flame out [of] the engine" but in Ireland you wouldn't need to say as much - the second pilot sounded British so might not have caught it
(you might say i need to get out the car or out the house for example when you mean out *of* the car/house)
Just one word-professional! Amazing to see how ATC and the pilots at this level of communication.
Great job to both the pilot and the ATC in handling this situation. RIP to the bird.
BirdS - there was mention of hitting the cockpit as well as the engine, I would think there was mass casualties of our feathered friends.
Hats off to the pilot and the controller who were very professional and their attitude was amazing 👍👍👍......
what I really appreciated was ATC initial serious of responsive transmissions was minimal and confirmational - not interferring with pilot activities.
Im always so impressed with Aer Lingus flight crews and I aim to keep a standard of professionalism just like this in my own flying.
A perfect example on how to deliver an urgency call on departure. Calm, clear and concise.
I wasn't expecting the wind shear. Guessing Ryanair wasn't either. The bird strike wasn't enough to convince them to go around but the wind shear gave them a clue.
There is no reason to go around for a birdstrike to a departing aircraft. The Ryanair would be at taxi speed before they would even come close to any dead birds on the runway. And why would you not be expecting a windshear? I guarantee the Ryanair guys were prepared for the possibility of a windshear with those winds!
@@GyrisCap Windshear warning is a mandatory go around
Thank you VASA for all the great videos.
Glad you like them!
One dislike...mustve been one of the birds. That is, one of the birds that didnt get turned into puree...
When i was working for Delta 11 years ago at MSY a Boeing 757-200 had a bird strike on a hawk that was hunting in a field about 150 yards from the end of the runway. The plane had to circle back and land and it took about two days for Delta to fly in mechanics and change the fan blades out.
Nice Animation. Im german and use this to learn a little bit English. Nice videos. Please don’t stop
Glad to know they're helpful
We agree, Torben! Victor is very good at this!
Wow, the Irish flying community is every bit as polite as those Canadians, aye? 😉
Not the time to be making enemies😀
I like this kind of intro a lot more :)
cool, calm, and collective! very professional!
I love Dublin controllers and shamrock crew. They always have a plan before they talk and follow it.
Pleas keep posting, learned a lot from your video
That's the plan!
@4:08, correction: "Oh, I see, that might have been the birds going through it."
wow first time i heard atc calling 28 , 28L. well trained crews, nothing they have not done in the sim before
28 in EIDW is now 28L
Apparently it was a flock of Robins. There were reports of at least one Robin near the airport shortly before this incident.
European robins are tiny passerines and don't flock.
The robin reported near the airport was probably a light aircraft...
Robin DR400 four seat single.
Bird strike after rotation, and bird strike that damaged an engine after rotation are two different things. There could have been engine debris on the runway.
The Irish Shamrock pilots always sound cool as a cucumber.
Misleading title. There were flames coming out of the engine, but no flameout. Even the half-asleep approach controller got that wrong and confused the pilot.
On the bright side of an obviously serious event, as an Irish person it's funny the amount of times the Irish accent subtitles are incorrect in these videos. At 6:31 for example, the Aer Lingus pilot says "..about maybe 1000-1500 feet I would imagine" but the subtitles/uploader thought it was "over the ground". Hmm. 😂
@VASAviation.Thank you very much for these quality videos, we learn a lot. I would have a question because I noticed in some videos when the pilot does not respect a directive of the Tower (JFK for example), one gives a phone number to the pilot. I understand that it amounts to a warning, but concretely what is it for? Should he call this number and explain his mistake? Or this number should be called if the pilot has a problem and needs help (hijacking).
(Sorry if it sounds silly but I'm just discovering this new world (air highways, cutouts from the airport to the ground for the runways...)
It's not usually good news when they get asked to call the tower. Its usually due to a mistake. All the times they are asked to call the tower it is so they can have a better conversation whilst allowing the radios to remain free for other traffic. I've heard on videos of pilots asked to call the tower to give more information on a situation. And once the tower asked someone to call to say thanks for asking the question which meant the controller could correct their mistake so not always negative. E.g if radios this day were busy they may have asked one of these pilots to call the tower to give more details about where the birds were, or more information on the weather if it was that bad so that other pilots could have instructions going in an out of the airport.
Not a silly question - not sure if you found the answer since you posted but it may help someone else reading the comments. I've only learnt it through watching videos and reading comments
So did the engine actually flameout? Didn’t hear them say they lost an engine. Just mentioning the “flames” coming “out” of the engine
I think it was a matter of semantics. Tower saw *flame* coming *out* of the engine exhaust, so to communicate quickly and succinctly, they just said “flameout.”
Tower observed flames (quick grilled bird). The engine was still running, but vibrating.
Quick flameout on a bird strike is just the bird(s) passing through the blades of the compressor. If it's pigeons or smaller, they don't cause large damage and the engine continues to operate "normally" apart from some vibrations caused by debris inside the engine or little cracks on the blades.
@@VASAviation ok the title caused confusion. Flameout usually ends up meaning engine failure so I thought the engine had failed or at least shutdown but then didn’t hear any mention about it
@@tomstravels520 Yea, I think the pilot was confused too - Tower meant "flame came out", pilot heard "flameout", so there was a few clarifications going back and forth there.
Interesting that they still made him climb to 5000 although engine damage is pretty much implied by a bird strike. Also seemt like the pilot wanted to level at 3000 initially.
I noticed that as well. Especially with the crew specifying that was their intention. I'd classify as an error in the controller handoff that can be learned from in a debrief. When a crew declares a PAN and specifies what they want and it is accepted it should be left alone. The crew has other things to handle.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 crew never requested to stay at 3 and didn't deny the climb so nothing wrong
Standard missed approach levels at 3000ft and continues to 5000ft so it seems they just followed that.
@@VASAviation exactly. 2ways to avoid climbing 👍
Crew could have replied, "PANPAN Unable" if they wanted to stay at 3,000
Any chance you are gonna have anything about the c-17 that has some emergency and landed in grand rapids Michigan with the presidents vehicles?
A question to all pilots/atc workers/airport workers: What is done to try and midigate or stop bird strikes? It seems that this is a fairly normal occurence, and I just wondered what does the airport do to prevent bird strikes?
Habitat removal, repellant scent sprays, sonic repellants (sound cannons, often), regular patrols by wildlife control officers ... pretty much everything they can think of that has any history of success. (Note that ground animals like deer can be a problem as well as birds, so they get driven off as well.)
It's not that the airfields aren't trying, it's just a hard problem.
from the point of a pilot not a lot can be done, just try to see and avoid, typically on slower stuff you can just climb as birds will tend to dive, but on the fast stuff, there's no time for that. I've dodged plenty of birds (including a big eagle) in a c172, only had a bat strike my wheel fairing at night on take off (no damage).
Great professionals
This plane suffered another bird strike a couple of months ago
Wow Please Use Simulation in Your Next Videos Too
all pilots speak very clear... but the controller sounds like he is almost sleeping and had a potato in mouth...
The Irish are always textbook. PANPANPAN straightaway, calm, clear, and perfect communication from all. American flight schools need to hire only Irish instructors.
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@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 American pilots in these videos never declare emergencies.
Qnh 982. Lovely day for a storm too
super-chill
Trust Ryanair to continue an approach without having the runway inspected after a bird strike!
My thoughts exactly!
yep, pilot probably wont get paid if he goes around! (however, in all honesty ryanair pilots are actually paid very well, and have been attracting pilots ansd crew from AL, BA, AF, BE for many years
It is very common to continue, rarely a pilot will go around.
90% of pilots and airlines would choose to continue if it's birds related
@@VASAviation Serious question:
Would it be fair to assume a high probability of the birds (those who survived, and those close by) would be freaked out to the point of running for cover. And stay well clear for a while?
And that the majority of pilots would use that as their reasoning for ‘ignoring’ the recent bird strikes?
Excellent!! Thank you!!
Thank you for watching
How do you have this radar visualisation? 😁
Does anyone know why Aer Lingus flight numbers so often have letters in them, like "61V"? Know I've seen a Mike flight number too. Always seems like Aer Lingus flights in videos like this got letters in em.
Many airlines in Europe use numbers and letters to avoid similar callsigns
These birds listen to too much Suicidal Tendencies
Cute!
All I wanted was a Pepsi.
I will never understnad how the ATCs can understand what the Rescue vehicles are saying xD
They get much better reception of the ground vehicles' signals because they are much closer to each other than the third-party receivers that record these exchanges.
Crispy duck on the menu?
1:54 what is he trying to avoid? I can't hear
Avoid weather
Going around due to birdshear.
Titles a bit misleading. Compressor surge maybe, flame out? No.
The tower reported a flame out tho?
Have you watched the video at all?
@@tw8916 yeah but that was mentioning flames coming out of the engine. Then afterwards the pilots said they still had both engines functioning
@@VASAviation The "flame out" is used incorrectly by the controller too and it confused also the pilots. An engine flame out means, that there is no more ignition in the engine, so the engine doesn't produce thrust anymore.
If flames come out of the engine, that's a surge or compressor stall.
The Centre controller needs to articulate. That’s frustrating with a pan call, having to deal with unprofessional mumbling.
ATC APP so bored and calm... no seeking to pronounce better and to be ubderstood easier...
The first ATC controller was top notch. The second guy didn't speak up and enunciate even when asked to repeat his transmission. I teach English as a second language and that's just bad overall, I'm listening on a cell phone and he was probably much louder and clearer. I was impressed with the first guy!
Give him a break, he was eating spaghetti.
this was out quick LUL
that mumbling ATC sounds depressed
The approach controllers voice is so bad 😞 mumbling, dull tones!
Ryanair pilot pretending there was windshear because he knows if he cancelled the landing due to birds they won't pay him 😂.
I was honestly thinking the same thing!
Bird strike after bird strike. These birds are IDIOTS. They see a huge shiny metal object and just beeline for the engines huh
Birds got into wind shear
@@phapnui they can detect earthquakes but can’t fly around windshear
birds love to play chicken with my prop all the time while taxiing, the crows and magpies are always pretty ballsy
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