[REAL ATC] Aer Lingus HYDRAULIC LOSS and FIRE at JFK
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That irish Shamrock guy speaks crystal clear, and he actually makes sure it is clear.
Ivan Eduardo Veloz Guerrero Exactly my thought! And in a very professional and polite way.
I think his accent is probably much stronger in everyday life but when flying he makes a big effort to take the edge off it so its clear
Which is remarkable given the perculiar situation they're in!
Radio clarity might be due to clear line of sight between plane and the volunteer ground receiver. The receivers often have poor or partial coverage (if any) of airport transmitters. Ground to ground is often not received at all for unofficial logging
The second Irish guy is too fast, not as clear
In 80 years, Aer Lingus has had only two fatal crashs, both involving propeller driven planes, a DC3 and a Vickers Viscount, they have one of the best safety records of any airline, this video shows how competent their flight crews are.
NIc Fewer Luck of the Irish!
ナコルル王女 why I love aer lingus. Professionalism and safety
Ask Dustin Hoffman who the safest is. Rainman.....
You can really see why, they are perfectly trained in minimizing risks. These are not only the obvious things, like calling rescue even if you expect everything to go normal or the preparation of a easier go-around, these are also the small things like staying at 220 instead of accelerating. Sure no one is expecting anything to happen, but why should you accelerated to 250 when your plane is in good condition at 220.
@Nic Fewer: And the Viscount is still a mystery. What did happen to the Viscount?
The Aer Lingus captain is a credit to his company.
No doubt about it. Probably the most professional I've heard since subbing to this channel. And that is saying a lot!
Not an Aer Lingus captain, the crew is from ASL Ireland operating their 757 for Aer Lingus.
@@hennobelvedere4812 True ...
Then much credit should be given to ASL Ireland.
They were the most clearly spoken crew I have ever heard. This is a shining example of what to do in an emergency.
American Airlines pilots converting kilograms to pounds...
pilots helping their fellow pilots out.
Totally unnecessary though if Americans caught up with the rest of the world and used the metric system. Nobody but Americans uses pounds anymore. We all use kilograms...
@@bobmarshall3700 well except for in all of aviation with well these exceptions
@@bobmarshall3700 The best part is that pounds is actually defined by the kilogram since 1893. I wish we would switch; it only makes sense to do so.
@@bobmarshall3700 Still, aviation uses a lot of non-metric units. Altitudes in feet and flightlevels, and speeds in knots...
@@bobmarshall3700 USA's measures ARE absurd. As a US citizen I can attest to that, but does the rest of the world use a base-10 system for time keeping? 60 seconds in a minute. 60 minutes in an hour. a base-10 system for ALL measures would be best for all of us __BUT__ (here in the usa) we have so much infrastructure based on our current measures it would be an insane amount of effort to get EVERYTHING converted.. just as it would take an insane amount of effort for the rest of the world to switch to a base-10 time-keeping system.
Shamrock's captain is one of the most polite i've ever heard. Nicee!
Well he was potentially about to meet St. Peter best to leave a good impression upon entry.
Captain was probably flying and FO on the radio
@@Jude74 There was never a threat to the safety of the plane prior to landing. The only concern was risk of the gear catching fire upon braking. By that point, firetrucks would be standing by and immediately extinguish it. There was no risk of loss of life :)
APP: Do you want to crash rescue ready?
CPT: Yes, please...
This guy have some good manners even when situation is dangerous :)
+Da`Man If it's an emergency you don't have to be polite :)
+Da`Man We Celts are good like that ;-)
Aw, it's not just you Celts :P Pilots and controllers in general seem unusually able to retain a level of calm and professionalism in their communications during emergencies. This example certainly shows that very clearly, but there are many others from all parts of the world. I think most exceptions to that general rule wind up here on YT, so they're not hard to find.
I've experienced this personally, on both sides of the radio. (The following wall of words are my personal experiences, so skip if you prefer.) I worked operations for a regional carrier in the 1990s, and over the years we had 2-3 crews coming in to land without all gear indicating down and locked (though tower fly-by observation indicated normal gear down), and one with a suspicious bag on board (during the air war phase of Desert Storm), and it's strange to me how they just sounded like their ordinary selves when they informed me by radio of the situation. I was the one who was all nervous. It's hard to know how to reply to them in that kind of situation. One reply I gave was "Sundance 612 copy that. Er, good luck." I learned that was NOT the kind of reply I should have given :( "Good luck" is not what they want to hear. Pilots in emergencies feel the fear, but they don't ever talk about it until they are safe on the ground and in the pilot lounge. Their attitude in the air is that they WILL work the problem until everyone is safe, no luck required. The fear is there, but they are too busy with their priorities of saving the situation to deal with the fear. It really works that way.
Only two years later did I find myself in an emergency as a private pilot (pretty low time - ~85 hours or so) when a wasp had blocked the pitot tube in my C172, rendering my airspeed indicator inoperative, just a few hundred feet after takeoff. The procedure is simple (once the problem is identified), but it's definitely a dangerous situation that close to the ground. Nothing like watching your airspeed drop slowly from 65 through 50 through 45, lowering the nose and it's still dropping, flying level at about 300 feet AGL, waiting for the stall horn to go off, then the plane starts to buffet slightly from overspeed as the indicated airspeed drops to zero. That's when it was obvious what was happening. Mishandling a similar situation downed a 757 departing from the Dominican Republic (Birgenair Flight 301, mud dauber wasp in the pitot tube) in 1996, and ice blocking the pitot tube was part of the crash of Air France 447 as well. It's clearly a dangerous situation if the problem is not identified right away, though it's much easier to recover the situation in a small Cessna than in a 757 or an Airbus.
It took a little time to determine the problem and then take the appropriate actions, but I realized in that situation that radio calls are a minor part of what's really going on. (Listen to the ATC recordings of the "Miracle on the Hudson". That crew limited their radio calls, and they sounded very calm.) I was scared, definitely, but handling the aircraft and protecting the life of my friend and passenger (and not scaring him) were really my only priorities. It's hard to explain how the fear, real and intense fear, takes a back seat in the moment. It really hit me when the mechanic met me on the ramp and asked what happened. I was kinda shaking once I locked the parking brake and shut down the aircraft. I tried to sound calm in the air for my friend's sake as well as the fact that the radio was just one important step, but not the crucial step, in saving the situation. Unfortunately, he told me later he was terrified the instant he heard me use the word "emergency" on the radio, despite what I had told him about the situation - that it was just an instrument failure, and we were fine. He said he was calm until he heard that one word.
A pilot with more experience probably would not have declared an emergency, but I was scared, and if nothing else, I knew my piloting skills were being tested like they had not been tested before. (I was a new pilot, and we didn't simulate this type of emergency in flight training, though I learned about it in ground school.) I didn't want to make a stupid mistake out of fear (and in the moment I saw my fear as a factor, like part of the emergency, not something that was controlling me), and declaring an emergency seemed the easiest way to recruit help in that regard. We landed without incident, and I learned.
To me, the saddest part was that my friend decided he would never fly in a small plane again. :(
+dcs002 glad you shared that, compelling story
On my third glider solo flight I got caught in some very nasty weather. It was more than I could handle and it felt like it might be pushing the old K13 glider I was flying to its limits. I aimed my nose at the start of the circuit, pulled the airbrakes and got my arse on the ground as quickly as possible. Having your piloting skills tested is no fun but you just kind of do what needs to be done and think about it more once you get on the ground.
That AAL pilot that did the kg-lbs conversion is one true airman ! Nice gesture of him to take that task of the controllers shoulder (everybody working in aviation knows how annoying metric - > US conversion and vice versa is).
All in all very professional dialogue, espececially by the EIN pilot giving the controllers as much as information as possible and kind of have the controller with them in the cockpit. Great airmanship all in all !
+marcel1416 I loved editing this one! I loved the EIN pilots as well for the reason you mentioned. It is not common to give the ATC all that info. Gear doors position, brake config, landing speed...
VASAviation -
Yeah I know, really uncommon, but very very professional and his voice was so clear and distinct, no sign of nervousness in his voice.
Interesting, that it was not declared as an emergency, Of course the 757 has some kind of reserve system or independant hydraulic systems for the important controls but still, with that many things inop (he also told the controller) to not declare an emergency, wow. The pilot seemed to be pretty confident.
Airbus and Boeing have 3 fully independent hydraulic systems. So partial loss of fluid in one system isn't that serious. It's certainly not life threatening (a mayday is used to imply imminent or actual threat to life)
+marcel1416 I bet he got his E6-B whizz-wheel out as soon as he heard the KG figure :)
Well how are you sure he didn't just google it
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LMAO
I could listen to that pilot say "Shamrock 11EA" in that accent all day long. Excellent job by both pilots and ATC. Very professional!
I loved the interaction between the Irish and New York accents.
Yeah, what an interesting contrast.
Yes!
I always found the Irish and Americam accent to be quite similiar, especially the west coast of Ireland. It proberbly makes sense considering many Americans are from Irish decent.
@@damian-795 🤡
@@rogerscottcathey Contrast? Oh they're very similar. Massachusetts more so.
Wow... I really love the attitude from the Irish crew. Situation firmly in hand, they tell ATC clearly what they need, they say when they are unable or uncomfortable, they think about others ('might have spilled') and ahead for themselves ('in case of go-around'), they keep calm and even polite (!) during all of it. It's hard to find a better example of true airmanship than this bit of communication.
Peter Timowreef Well, to be perfectly honest, I assumed their citizenship based on their airline's hub... Might indeed not be irish pilots.
Bizarre comment...what are you getting at?
Peter Timowreef Now I'm curious... did you think I was a proud irishman, elevating the 'Irishness' of the crew because they did well? Or did you think, I was adding the qualifier 'irish' because I was somehow thinking this top-notch airmanship was unusual for irishmen?!?
'Cause... neither is true :)
I've worked in the Madrid airport with Irish persons and they are calm and the politest people of the world. Never had a problem. In this case I think they should have declared officially emergency.
I think you assumption might be correct considering the accents haha
Aer Lingus are one of the safest, most efficient, professional and caring airlines in Europe. Their safety record is second to none and their crews are calm, reassuring and highly trained as you hear in this clip.
Shame Alan Joyce had to come to Australia and trash a once-great Qantas.
The professionalism and the calmness of the pilots is remarkable, kept all the controllers and ground crew informed. Didn't hear any sign of stress or pressure in there voices
That pilot and copilot have the clearest voices I've ever heard. Maybe they should teach that dialect to all pilots.
The Irish accents are something else. Such clear, concise, and clearly pronounced communication with ATC ...such a cheerful sounding emergency 💚☘️🍀👨✈️✈️
We used to nicely tease my friend on her 33.3333 tirty tree and a turd. On the phone she was incomprehensible
This is a great video. I’m Irish, and I love flying with Aerlingus. Especially on the return leg. Always feels like you’re in safe hands with the pilots and crew. I remember one senior pilot explaining turbulence to the passengers during moderate chop off the coast of Iceland before when crossing the Atlantic. Good experience.
This must be the most wholesome pilot I've ever heard.
That's one calm, kind and excellent pilot. I'm impressed, very well done!
This probarly is the most profesional communication i have ever heard.
I've noticed from listening to many of these recordings that Irish pilots are usually very polite and professional, more so than other foreign pilots. The worst seem to be Air France pilots, they always seem rude and they often do things like just sit on taxiways waiting for a gate to open up.
they are pissed that they have to speak english..
Everyone has to speak French when the shit hits the fan.
Try living 20 miles away from the buggers. They've never forgiven us for leaving at Dunkirk, or for going back, or winning WW2, and then the entire world has to speak ENGLISH to ATC! They are incandescently pissed off!
True
@@Insperato62 "Incandescently" pissed off. Awesome use of the word!
"Kennedy, Shamrock 11EA, you want any detail from us or are you okay?" So polite :D
Watched this video many times. AerLingus has great pilots. Really likes how the pilot speaks slowly and clearly when explaining the emergency situation.
This is my most favourite VASAviation Video. I never get tired watching it.
One of the bests, no doubt. Professionality all around.
the way how this pilot speaks is sooooòo clear. love it.
What a great Job every one did that took part. Cheers for our Ireland brothers!
I would fly with these pilots anytime anyway. Clear, calm, concise. Very impressive.
I like that, even with everything going on, he thinks to inform the controller that he might've dumped the hydraulic fluid on the tarmac. That's some classy crisis management there.
Agree, and it turned out to be a very important note, since the fluid not only dripped on the runway, but also on the hot brakes
Loved this. The communications between all parties was exemplary. I piloted a Navajo in Alaska for a few years. I had to preform a gear up landing. It was executed flawlessly due to the support of everyone involved. However, I haven't held a yoke since.
Just another example of airmanship by everybody, crew, ATC, emergency team! Great job!
Total professionalism from everyone involved.
That pilot is one cool customer. Professionalism all round.
Exceptional quality of communication from the pilot there and great anticipation of the information which would be required by ATC and ground crew.
That was genuinely a delight to listen to. even though it was a worry about the outcome, I love how calm, level headed and polite they are despite it all. Aer Lingus, I salute you.
RagnarisFellhanded - Nothing to do with Aer Lingus. Check your facts before posting FAKE NEWS.
Look who's stupid now? The Irish crew relating all the information impeccably. Crystal clear, word after word, syllable after syllable. Lovely chaps.
Shout out to the guy who ripped the conversion of KG to LBS over comms hahahaha
That’s mad. ATC should have a calculator in front of them or a sticky note with 1kg = 2.1 lbs written on it.
The pilots in emergency shouldn’t have to bother doing the math for ATC.
Wow, that's gotta be the best captain in the sky!! Extremely professional, polite, and well executed. Great video man!!
Brilliant professionalism from the Air Lingus crew, a pleasure to listen to.
Absolutely! :)
whp61 - It’s spelt ‘Aer’, and it’s not Aer Lingus, it’s ASL - dufus.
@@TimSmyth23 It's Aer Lingus
nice to have a happy ending respect to the irish pilots who did as they were trained to do and remain calm and respect to everyone involved for clear precise comunication between each other
Outstanding crew performance. A real positive representation of Aer Lingus!
Brilliant communication display. Hats off to all involved!
I’ve had the privilege of flying Aer Lingus and they are the best! Everyone could use lessons in politeness and courtesy from them.
Me too, it's a wonderful airlines to fly.
This is probably one of the best Air to Ground Emergency Communications I have ever listened to. That is coming from experience with Airliners on the Fire services side. Great job to everyone involved!!!
Such awesome professionalism with all parties involved makes me proud to be human
very polite pilots thats very nice.
Excellent video. All personnel concerned were very professional and maintained complete control of the situation. The Aer Lingus pilots were superb.
Magnificent. Such a fascination. Professionals at work. I have a high regard for Aer Lingus
Love the Irish pilots accent. If I was a passenger it's instantly calming
The level of calm and professionalism from both the shamrock crew and ATC, were very impressive. Well done, people!
I'm a fairly nervous flier, but I'm pretty sure if I'd been on this flight, the pilots could have told me exactly what was going on and I wouldn't have freaked out. Partly because I grew up listening to Irish folk and pub rock music and the accent is comforting to me, partly because these pilots are clearly incredibly well-trained professionals, and partly because the Irish have nerves of adamantium.
as scary as this would be as a passenger, it would have been so comforting to hear that communication. Great job to ATC and pilots.
Very polite&cool headed professionalism! Those Irish fellas had me feeling pretty relaxed considering the plane's troubles.
VASAviation: Excellent coverage with subtitles and route visuals. Thanks.
I would more than happily transfer my ratings to Ireland and join up with Aer Lingus cause these gents are TOP NOTCH. They were so on top of it.
Class Class Class. These guys are amazing.
An excellent emergency handling of all team members, the crew, ATC and Ground/Emergency services
Great communication, everyone was calm as hell!
Amazing how I could understand them perfectly. Very very cristal clear. Congrats to the crew
Great video. That pilot was in total control of the situation. Love it.
Okay this time I will tell you what subtitles you misheard:
0:24 "we do have a technical issue we'd like to deal with"
1:02 "and it may well be dumped on the runway"
1:09 "Hydraulic fluid and you're returning I got that"
1:53 "We'll take a left turn but if we need to take up a hold closer in then we can do that"
2:00 "You let me know as soon as you need"
3:03 "is it possible to request the ILS for 22L?"
3:09 "Our nosewheel steering is inoperative"
3:22 "It's not an issue but it'll look a little bit different to how we normally look"
3:36 "It's within our normal operation but because we have less hydraulics ... so we're touching down a little bit faster than normal"
4:21 "we don't have pounds on gauges"
5:25 "Left turn direct to ROBER"
6:41 "but have the rescue services on stand by, yes please"
6:43 "Okay, I'll make the call, they'll be there"
7:25 "in the event of a go around"
7:37 "I want you to maintain, just maintain 2000 if you have to go around - 2000"
8:41 "are you coming to a complete stop this time sir?"
8:58 "We require towing from this position"
9:17 "any fluid dripping from underneath the aircraft"
9:43 "We have products being deployed
9:50 "detect some sort of fire"
9:57 "switch to this frequency and give you further information"
10:10 "Yes sir, just be advised all the vehicles should be on 21.65 to talk to them right now. I imagine there's gonna be a lot of conversation back and forth"
10:30 "Are you showing any negative"
10:37 "make sure nobody else speaks apart from you"
11:06 "We shall remain as we are. Could you let me know if there's any change to the situation?"
11:31 (Shamrock 11EA) "Yup"
12:00 "It's possible that we might not be able to taxi at all from here"
You're 9 months late on this but appreciate it anyways :)
VASAviation - I agree but I just had to point it out, as some things missing were rather crucial, like 'you' instead of 'us' for example. Of course correct speech in aviation is so important.
+VASAviation Better late than never!!
bored of these comments. the video has already been made and published, to an excellent standard, your corrections are accurate but ultimately redundant.
if there is ONE thing I wished this channel would improve upon, it is correct subtitles... Sooooo many mistakes. I understand there's a rush to get these videos out soon after incidents (while they're still relevent), but c'mon, man!!!
Excellent work by all concerned. Thoroughly professional.
that was super-pro, exactly what i expect from everyone (which is not the case, sadly)
my sentiments exactly. word for word.
That does me good to hear pilots address a situation, calm,. professional, attentive.
Very professionally handled by all involved. Good Job!
Loved the pilot giving atc kilo to pound conversion.
1:03 i believe the subtitles are off he says " and it may well be dumped on the runway were not quite sure"
"we dont have fuel in pounds can we give it to you in kilos?" that just made my day
Listening to this is really reassuring. These people are so competent!!
If "Aviation Radio Communication(s) Professionalism" could be taught, this would be exhibition number one! ARTCC Boston, TRACON (N90), Tower (JFK), PANYNJ ARFF, flight crews from other flights, and especially the flight crew on this flight were all excellent. Clear, concise, and complete.
This was the perfect interaction - never panic - well done, Kennedy control and pilots and AAL chap....
I would have loved to see this landing. Talk about composed !
Bravo to this Pilot for all his calm and clear communication.
Great video, super interesting and even thou it was a serious situation the Irish accent just made my smile :)
Those are the most shamrocky pilots in the whole wide world. ☘️
always amazed how calm, courteous and professional pilots and atc are in these situations. good to know passengers are in safe hands
Holy cow! How polite, professional, composed, cool and calm can this guy be???
Polite and calm. Good work VASA!
surprised he asked for ground resources and ATC didn't declare an emergency on his behalf. unusual I must. great job by all involved. air crew was very obviously following the airman's rule of Aviate, Navigate then Communicate.
The plane's ability to fly wasn't in question, and that may be why no emergency was declared.
I love the Irish. I will be on flight from JFK to Shannon on Saturday on Aer Lingus :)
how was it ?
VASAviation make my day always n this make me feel a human...great gob dude keep up ur good work we will always supporting u..
Appreciate it!
Can’t stop watching these someone help
Do you declare an emergency?
If ever I am in an emergency, aviation or otherwise, I want that exact voice, clarity and precision, in my ear. There are many who do an excellent job in that regard out there, but this was superb.
Outstanding professional crew
The pilot's accent is really cool!!! Also he is very calm and collected.
Excellent job, Shamrock.
I bet the ATC's don't mind AL having an emergency,. they seem to be the clearest voice on the air unlike someone with a heavy accent.
Immaculate work by both ATC and the flight crew. Only thing is that they probably should have just called an emergency. There seemed to be some confusion about whether emergency vehicles would be standing by until later on the approach - obviously turned out not having fire crews could have been a problem. Otherwise, though, this is how all emergency situations should be handled, to a t.
One day we will all use the metric system. It is really odd that the crew did not declare an emergency. From my time in aviation our crews always declared emergencies for failed hydraulics.
WE, already do use the metric system. It's much easier. It's the Americans who are stuck in the past. Get with the program guys!!!! Once you get used to it, you will find that there was really nothing to be afraid of. I'm sure the Canadians will be happy to teach you all about it.
But you don't know how bad it will be. Also of note is that JFK has four runways while Shannon has just one, which may be why the decision was made to return to JFK. As for arrivals, most likely there was a 13L/22L split, and so all landings could be directed to 13L wth 22L closed (the departure runway that night was 13R, running along the bottom of the final screen).
This makes absolutely no sense. No pilot I know would continue and head out over the Atlantic to Shannon, with a know hydraulic issue. The reason they chose to returned to KJFK, was because Aer Lingus has a sizable base there. The hydraulic issue did not require an immediate landing. The pilots could have chosen any runway they wished that night. 22L obviously suited them.
@ Adam Moreira. That's some strange logic.
Agreed, though in aviation, the metric system tends to take a sideline to nautical and imperial measurements (IE flight levels are done in feet and speed in knots).
The juxtaposition of the Irish and New York accents and attitudes was delightful.
You all are HEROES!! Amazing!!!
They all are!! :D
I'd fly with that crew any day (but not in a 737 Max). Professional. Calm. Able to communicate effectively.
wow ..... TEXT BOOK handling of the situation. GREAT comm.
Amazing CRM/NTS from all involved. I almost expected the EI crew to say “there may be some fluid on the runway as we didn’t have time to clear it up!”.
I'd fly with these guys any day, ever.
Love this irish accent and attitude
at 1:04 the pilot says "it may well be dumped on the runway" not "we'll be stopping on the runway"
+Alex's Bikes and Motors I think he means that he thinks the loss of hydraulic fluid may have occurred during takeoff and that it may be on the runway. He is advising ATC to check the runway for hydraulic fluid. Dangerous for landing/departing aircraft.
Such professionalism!
youll never beat the irish
0:23 "…we'd like to deal* with*"
1:03 "…fluids* and it* may* well* be dumped* on the runway…"
1:52 "…and?* if* we need to* take up* a hold (tell us then/when)?*…"
3:09 "…steering is inoperative*…"
3:22 "…it'll* look* a* little* bit* different* [?] how we* normally look*…" ?
3:36 "Affirm*. …we'll have* a* slightly higher… It's* within* our normal operation, but because we have less?* hydraulics, we have…"
4:20 "…we don't have pounds on* gauges*."
6:32 "We've* a slightly…" (We have)
6:38 "…efficiency*..."
10:10 "…on 21.65 to* talk to them right now. I imagine there's* gonna* be a lot of conversation?*…"
12:00 "It's possible that we might not* be able to taxi at all…"
Great video, keep it up :)
+Nicolas Saulo 11:08 we *shall* remain as we are (should)
1:55 "closer in"
6:15 " .. or are you happy you have.."
6:41 "..but certainly rescue services.."(?)
7:26 "... the event of a go around.."
8:42 "are you .. come to a complete stop at this time sir"
8:44 "we've stopped"
8:58 "we require towing from this position"
9:12 "we don't know what the reason for the loss was so maybe it would be nice(?) to check if there's any sign of any fluid dripping from underneath..."
9:51 "Detect some.."
Thank you. This was a Very Good Video.
1:03 that should read "and it may well be dumped on the runway" (the hydraulic fluid).
That's what I hear out of it :)