Only other correction is the pilot said 4 Tonnes of fuel not 4 tons. He said kilometres so its metric not imperial. I'm just a little picky, but only tons is now used in the USA. Everyone else is pretty much metric these days.
@@2DogsVlogs 4 metric tons, then? It would be impressive if you heard the difference between tonnes and tons from a non native english speaker You use tons in metric all the time. It is 1000kgs. Or the mass of 1m3 of water.
As a Norwegian, "erm.." is engrained into our vocabulary. That being said - this is a small airport, at this time of day he's likely alone in the tower, so he has to juggle coordination with the airplane, fire & rescue, airport ops, the busses, and everyone else on the ground, as well as the approach controller, to ensure other aircraft aren't coming in for landing etc. He did a fantastic job.
The “erm” or “uh” in Norwegian drive me nuts when I moved there back in ‘99. I rather surprised that it is so pronounced in the English as well since most Norwegians speak English exceptionally well and often with a more native British or American accent. Controllers at both Torp and Gardermoen both had strong Norwegian accents and a lot of the “erm”.
It was a hell of a day yesterday, in addition to this and the Juju air crash (RIP to those lost), there was also a Air Canada express plane that suffered a gear collapse in Halifax
This is usually how it goes - Me: *halfway through reading an article about an aviation incident* "Huh, I wonder if-" UA-cam notification: *VASAviation has uploaded* Bro, do you even sleep? Cheers Victor
@@benbookworm yeah FR24 and LiveATC are good to me but there's nothing like the full breakdown with map overlay, photos and all the other editing wizardry. Plus the comment section in this community is always fantastic
That's my reaction after hearing the Jeju Air crash... "Maybe VASaviation could upload a new clip with CVR recordings soon to show enthusiasts even the officials what the problem was"
Typically, during a foggy session, it's extremely quiet from the Tower's perspective. If you can't see the aircraft, you listen closer than normal to determine position. Anything out of the ordinary stands out. I've had a few blown tires from the tower and it is LOUD!
Best guess tire blew apart on take off while in retraction, or a massive brake failure which compromised most of the hydraulic system. The veering was most likely due to reduced control due to blown tire, or said failed brake on that side. Just a guess.
@@elpatl74 that what scars me from the 373, there a so many important hydraulic lines in the wheel base, scary. Now you can see what will happend with the OLD design.
Yep. Torp Sandefjord is a very small airport, and he's likely never handled a situation like this other than in training. You can tell he was nervous, but he still did his job 100%.
@@Republic3D Torp isn't that small, and there has been incidents before. The next day more than 5,000 passengers got stuck because KLM blocked the runway. ENTO handles the low cost carriers like Ryanair and Wizzair, and the regional airline Wideroe. Up to 50 flights a day.
Torp is a small airport, not small but small compared to normal-sized airports. The accident also happened during the night when there was little traffic, thus the controller in the tower coordinated everything: Ground, landing/takeoff, emergency, busses, etc. Normally you have multiple controllers with each their area, but since it's a quiet night, a single controller controls everything. So he was definitely juggling numerous things at the same time
Anyone else noticed how fast the first tower realized they had to reduce information to the pilots and gave temporary instructions before repeating the new frequency? Also, erm.. in norwegian means : I'm still talking. Torp is a small area air port. iirc the runway is in multiple municipalities. It just happen to have a long enough runway since it is/was used by the shitty "we will get you to the vicinity of were you are going air lines.
Can't even find a single logical reason for that wall/mound to be built at that place... Who tf build their approach light on top of a wall/mound higher then the runway itself? So close to the runway as well.
Thank you very much for picking this Story up!👍 It is in fact the best one of which we heard this christmas week from the aviation industry, allthough it was scary enough.
In South Korea, it is uncommon to find real-time air traffic control (ATC) audio recordings posted on platforms like LiveATC. Unless an individual personally uploads such recordings to UA-cam or other platforms, it is unlikely to access them. Specifically, in South Korea, recording ATC audio is not a widespread practice. Even in cases where LiveATC feeds were active in the past, the airport involved in accidents were often located in regions without feeders. It seems that creating an actual video with such content would take a considerable amount of time, and the likelihood of including authentic audio is very low. It is expected to take a long time before relevant authorities release a press statement regarding the incident, typically in text format only(accident report). Even in past accident cases, I am not aware of any instance where actual audio was made public. Known timeline (Local): 8:57 AM (0 minutes): The Muan International Airport control tower issues a bird strike warning to the Jeju Air accident aircraft as it approaches Runway 01 for landing. The aircraft’s ADS-B signal is lost on Flightradar24 around this time, likely due to the decreasing altitude. Its flight path also shows a slight rightward deviation before reaching the airport. 8:58 AM (+1 minute): The captain of the accident aircraft declares a distress signal, "Mayday," after the warning is issued. The initial landing attempt fails, and the aircraft initiates a go-around. 9:03 AM (+6 minutes): Following a suggestion from the control tower, the aircraft changes its approach direction to avoid residential areas and attempts an emergency belly landing on Runway 19. The landing gear does not deploy, and the aircraft is unable to sufficiently reduce speed. It collides with concrete structures and the localizer before crashing into the airport's perimeter fence. This results in an explosion and fire that destroys almost the entire aircraft except for the tail section.
@@Asptuber During bad weather, airlines typically plan for a takeoff alternate to return to in-case of a non-normal situation requiring immediate return, but the weather makes the departure aerodrome unsuitable for immediate return. TL;DR: An airport close-by the departure airport where they can divert in case of an issue.
@@N1120A Thx - so this isn't something that is automatically always set/planned/nominated? Only when conditions are x or y? Thinking further: Since weather is such a big part of this, doesn't it get tricky? Because what is the point of a _departure_ alternate if it is too far away, but if it is close the chances are good that the weather will be as bad there as at the actual departure airport... (OK, if the actual dept is pretty small it makes sense to nominate somewhere with longer runways, better equipment etc as an alternate even if the weather is likely to be similar) But am I getting it right if I think that the main idea is to have somewhere reasonably close either already briefed or at least "charts close to hand"?
Excellent handling from Torp tower. Controller was juggling everything in correct priorities - alone in the tower seemingly (and in English with the plane and probably Norwegian with the services).
Glad everyone was ok! I deal with norwegians often and the accents and intonations of ATC are still hilarious to me, especially the hesitation at 5:45 😂😂 it’s like they all sound exactly the same!
At first i told myself the Norwegian controller sounded like he learned English from Canadians (lol), but now i wonder if some Canadian pronunciations are due to Norwegian immigrant influence (which occurred to me partly as one of my great grandfathers was one of many Norwegians who settled in Saskatchewan and other provinces early in last century).
Its only going too get worse. A few high ranking pilots were warning about this in 2022 but nobody believed them. Sadly they were right and its only going too be worse
Yes, there is. Emergency vehicles usually have their own frequency in order to talk to each other while handling the emergency. So either the fire department switches onto tower frequency in order to talk to the aircraft or the aircraft switches to a separate emergency frequency where they can talk without disturbing tower or fire departement frequency. Normally, an emergency vehicle would be there listening to tower frequency passively in order to know what's going on. In this case, it seemed like the best to have tower convey messages back and forth. The fire departement is on the ground with a lot of noise and not a native English speaker, so that could complicate things. Tower speaks the same language which makes it easier for them to talk to each other instead of the pilots. The pilots can hear tower perfectly, so it would have probably complicated things to have people talk to each other directly with a lot of noise pollution around. But there are definitely situations where talking to the fire department directly is the better choice.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 It´s a long time ago that a similar cascade of bad things happened in the aviation industry - the last time probably in early 2009, when Sully´s Landing on the Hudson, the Crash of Colgan Air Flight 3407 at Buffalo and the Crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 nearby Amsterdam happened within a few weeks, allthough with much fewer Fatalities.
Of all the aviation disasters this week, here is one where the public can rely on a comprehensive and non-corrupt investigation. The results will increase safety for everyone flying in these last Boeings, unless of course someone has an anti-aircraft wall/launcher at their runway.
Good thing it was marginal weather.. otherwise they would have had to contend with flight students buzzing around. Also, people are happy there was no "wall" but should be aware there is a drop off at end of this runway.. same result
@@swestuff A mix I think! There was a lot going on, already a pan pan, he's also talking to the fire & rescue crew, and then the aircraft slid off the runway. Change of mindset in a matter of seconds!
UPDATE on Jeju 737 SK fatal crash. ANOTHER Jeju airlines B737-800 experienced landing gear malfunction TODAY (30 Dec) and was forced to return after takeoff. SK Transport Ministry now preparing to announce special inspection of ALL (101) B737-800 aircraft operated by South Korean airlines. Source - Jen Moon journalist for DW News reporting from Muan.
" TWR, we are very sorry for the trouble, thank you for all the help, wish you a happy new year, seasons greetings " " No no , WE are sorry, we will aim to do better next time, all the best to you and family"
KLM pilots did a great job getting this plane on the ground as fast as possible. Hydraulic issues are no joke and once you lose hydraulic pressure to your ailerons and/or stabilisers, it's game over. Usually starts with one system, then followed by another and another. Seems like the nose gear was the first one to go and they instantly noticed a drop of hydraulic pressure. Very professional work from both the pilots and ATC.
I cannot imagine how difficult it is to have to learn English used mostly only for your job and how stressful it must be to ensure you’re using correct words during emergencies. These folks did a fantastic job, in my opinion. Well done. KLM still has the best livery 😊❤
Nice Since I'm Dutch I was already downloading the ATC conversations and ran a little audio denoiser over them, worked well. Was just still looking for the actual pan pan call.
Anyone has some technical in-depth knowledge what could happen? WHy they could not control aircraft on the ground? To steer at high speed they use rudder, to steer at low speeds they use tiller for nose wheel. Do you think they lost hydralics of a rudder? Or they lost brakes or one of the brakes were jammed?
Not in-depth, but the rudder is a primary flight control and they WOULD still have it. Nosewheel steering might have been disabled, and they DID veer to the right, into the wind.
Doesn’t make any sense to me, nose wheel steering is on A system, there’s an alternate nose wheel steering on B system. Rudder uses both primary systems and the third standby system. If they lost one of the primary systems, they would lose the thrust reverser deployment on that side. It’s definitely mentioned in the checklists, but in the chaos of things they may have missed it (or just forgot after touchdown and instinctively went full reverse on both engines.) Full TR on one side only would definitely pull a 737 off the runway. Also I’m not sure what the other engine would do if it was supposed to be full reverse but couldn’t deploy doors - I’m assuming it would just stay at idle thrust?
It depends on which hydraulic system(s) were not working. The 737 has two main hydraulic systems (A and B) and a standby system. Not every function is controlled by every hydraulic system. Certain functions like nose wheel steering and normal braking are only controlled by one hydraulic system so it can lead to limited ground handling if that side of the hydraulic system is out of action.
There is obviously something that is missing and they will investigate on it… also from my side of view it is a pretty strange incident… but you know a slight human error especially in distress situation is pretty like to be happened. But we won’t know still everything will be figured out. Important thing is that everyone is safe. For all the rest there are the insurances companies that will not be happy :)
With KLM there is no such thing as being Dutch state owned anymore. Since hostile takeover in 2003, Air France owns every little screw on any plane. In the shortest of time knowledge of maintenance, ICT, HR, was incorporated in France. What was left were the landing rights on AMS, a loyal workforce and hollow brand names like KLM, Transavia, Martinair, Cityhopper. Nationalism never fails with a bit of lying, right?
@testdummycrash9258 Yea you are right about that, yes that there is no really physical company behind KLM anymore owned by the Netherlands themselves. Eaten up by Airfrance that from the beginning had huge financial problems and merging with KLM, KLM became the National cash cows to keep France planes in the air with government subsidies we are Dutch people pay that fanish in French pockets. Only KLM has showed to operate profitability. But dont now exactly how much of all is french property and how much KLM is still their own entity or just a shadow. So yes the "Brands names" and the paint reflects to a bygone succesfull era.
It's more that it's late at night, and the airport is quiet, thus he is the only controller of the entire airport, controlling not only the air traffic but also ground, emergency, transport, taxiway, etc. So he is juggling multiple things at the same time. So he is communicating with a lot of stuff at the same time, so yeah I can understand he is a little shaking in his voice, all he wanted was a quiet night, receive a few planes and that's it
So what caused the excursion if it appears that they maintained normal flight controls. The rudder is powered by two hydraulic systems, any issues with nose gear steering should default it to central position.
Ruptured nose gear tire combined with loss of hydraulics on the nose wheel could easily make a plane very difficult to control at certain (low) speeds. You cannot countersteer except for with rudder and that is not effective when it doesn't have a fast enough airflow to use.
5:58 If that subtitle was from the AI you were advertising last video, It needs a lot more work. I dont think crashed planes need to readback headings...
@@VASAviationNo need to apologize! It's a typo. You upload high quality videos shortly after the incident, sometimes several a day! Nobody expects perfection, because it's not possible. Thank you for keeping us informed all year and the great work you are doing.
It is curious how the aircraft is lined up parallel to the taxiway. If he had lost directional control during the landing and gone off the side of the runway - it would usually not be at so much angle. A mystery to be solved. Thankfully no one was hurt so this was a highly successful outcome.
@@johnarnell4241 @ultramagnushurts I think he meant about the 737-800 in South Korea which crashed in a similar conditions (no landing gear and maybe with hydraulics issues)
profit over people baby. In this case though, just winter. tech advancement aside flying a plane is still extremely difficult and accidents will happen.
For everyone saying it is a bad year for aviation … of course I share with everyone of you (I hope) big respect for all the victims and their families. But I continue to be sure that aviation is the safest means of transport possible, and year after year the data prove it. Unfortunately moving around with zero risk is not possible for now but I hope in the future it will become so.
As I always tell people who are afraid of flying, the most dangerous part of a commercial airline flight (on a plane with 30+ seats, and not in Africa or a war zone) is probably walking in the parking lot. The second most dangerous part is probably getting to/from the airport by car. The actual flight itself is insanely safe.
I took the flight on Thursday 19th of December to LHR on the PH-BXM and I heard some strange sound on the plane, also i smelt a strong fuel at the take off. It didn’t felt 100% comfortable but luckily nobody was injured during the emergency landing…
It does seems that Holidays time are prone to accidents and aviation accident if we include last year's Japan airline crash. Maybe we also should look into it as a secondary avenue thing and have awarness
In the last six months: Aktau, Kazakhstan, E-190: Missile attack. Muan, S. Korea B-737: Bellied down way too far down the runway, overshot and hit wall at runway end instead of an EMAS or safety area. Landing gear did not extend, so maintenance could be a cause. Halifax, Canada, DHC-8: Landing gear collapse, so, yes, it could well be maintenance. Torp, Norway, B-737: Bang on takeoff, FOD or birds on runway, but maintenance could be a cause. Venhedo, Brazil, ATR-72: Probable icing. Bangkok, Thailand, CE-208: Cause not yet established. Antalia, Turkey, Su-S100: Engine fire on landing, FOD or birds on runway, but maintenance could be a cause. Vilius, Lithuania, B-737: Cause not yet formally established; pilot error is a leading candidate. Looks like a variety of causes, but 4 of 9 are possibly maintenance related.
APOLOGIES!
5:55 CAPTION CORRECTION FOR KLM58K: "Yeah, we have the APU running and we have shut down the engines"
LOL! Thanks - I was wondering at that one ;-)
Only other correction is the pilot said 4 Tonnes of fuel not 4 tons. He said kilometres so its metric not imperial. I'm just a little picky, but only tons is now used in the USA. Everyone else is pretty much metric these days.
@@2DogsVlogs 4 metric tons, then? It would be impressive if you heard the difference between tonnes and tons from a non native english speaker
You use tons in metric all the time. It is 1000kgs. Or the mass of 1m3 of water.
@@trulybtd5396 ...but not the mass of 1 m3 of fuel (which is more like 850 kg) hehe
@@trulybtd5396if the fuel is measured in T, then it’s tonnes, otherwise it’s LBs or KGs.
As a Norwegian, "erm.." is engrained into our vocabulary. That being said - this is a small airport, at this time of day he's likely alone in the tower, so he has to juggle coordination with the airplane, fire & rescue, airport ops, the busses, and everyone else on the ground, as well as the approach controller, to ensure other aircraft aren't coming in for landing etc. He did a fantastic job.
ermmm, errmmm, you sure?? eermrrmr
The “erm” or “uh” in Norwegian drive me nuts when I moved there back in ‘99. I rather surprised that it is so pronounced in the English as well since most Norwegians speak English exceptionally well and often with a more native British or American accent. Controllers at both Torp and Gardermoen both had strong Norwegian accents and a lot of the “erm”.
@@soiiv_in norwegian "erm" means "I'm still talking"
@ 👍
@@trulybtd5396 It's kinda like the stereotypical pilot over the PA "Uhhhh..."
Man it’s been a hell of a week in commercial aviation… 😬
what a sad way to close out the year :c
It was a hell of a day yesterday, in addition to this and the Juju air crash (RIP to those lost), there was also a Air Canada express plane that suffered a gear collapse in Halifax
Indeed. Really a horrible Christmas week and a terrifying way to finish a year.
@@mcmuffin-z5v Indeed.😪
More like a week of hell.
exceptional great job by the ATC tower man. He was there all alone doing EVERYTHING. VERY VERY good job. My deepest respect.
Yessir, I wholeheartedly agree! And probably constantly switching between Norwegian for ground ops coordination and English for KLM.
This is usually how it goes -
Me: *halfway through reading an article about an aviation incident*
"Huh, I wonder if-"
UA-cam notification: *VASAviation has uploaded*
Bro, do you even sleep? Cheers Victor
I was thinking the same. Like, how the heck does he get these so fast. 😅
there's flight trackers out there that will notify you anytime an aircraft declares an emergency. Then go searching for the radio data.
same 🙃
@@benbookworm yeah FR24 and LiveATC are good to me but there's nothing like the full breakdown with map overlay, photos and all the other editing wizardry. Plus the comment section in this community is always fantastic
That's my reaction after hearing the Jeju Air crash... "Maybe VASaviation could upload a new clip with CVR recordings soon to show enthusiasts even the officials what the problem was"
Must have been a super loud bang if they can hear it in the tower.
Typically, during a foggy session, it's extremely quiet from the Tower's perspective. If you can't see the aircraft, you listen closer than normal to determine position.
Anything out of the ordinary stands out.
I've had a few blown tires from the tower and it is LOUD!
Best guess tire blew apart on take off while in retraction, or a massive brake failure which compromised most of the hydraulic system. The veering was most likely due to reduced control due to blown tire, or said failed brake on that side. Just a guess.
@@WarHawkAU24 KLM and foggy weather are a bad combo.
@@elpatl74 that what scars me from the 373, there a so many important hydraulic lines in the wheel base, scary. Now you can see what will happend with the OLD design.
The pilot is the epitome of calm and professionalism.
Was waiting for this when the news broke ! Thanks VASAviation for the audio !
Good job from the KLM crew from what we can see at the moment. Very glad we didn't have another disaster.
huh?
@@KazKimuralike south korea.where a plane ran off the runway and crashed. Dead people etc.
@@KazKimura A plane crashed in South Korea
@@KazKimuraKazakhstan and South Korea had crashes, the emergency runway evacuation in Canada, it’s been a hell of a week
That power tower handler! He was so calm until they touched down & heard he was in the grass
Yep. Torp Sandefjord is a very small airport, and he's likely never handled a situation like this other than in training. You can tell he was nervous, but he still did his job 100%.
@@Republic3D Torp isn't that small, and there has been incidents before. The next day more than 5,000 passengers got stuck because KLM blocked the runway. ENTO handles the low cost carriers like Ryanair and Wizzair, and the regional airline Wideroe. Up to 50 flights a day.
Torp is a small airport, not small but small compared to normal-sized airports. The accident also happened during the night when there was little traffic, thus the controller in the tower coordinated everything: Ground, landing/takeoff, emergency, busses, etc. Normally you have multiple controllers with each their area, but since it's a quiet night, a single controller controls everything. So he was definitely juggling numerous things at the same time
Anyone else noticed how fast the first tower realized they had to reduce information to the pilots and gave temporary instructions before repeating the new frequency?
Also, erm.. in norwegian means : I'm still talking. Torp is a small area air port. iirc the runway is in multiple municipalities. It just happen to have a long enough runway since it is/was used by the shitty "we will get you to the vicinity of were you are going air lines.
Klm fly også opp Torp Sandfjord. De selge det som en fly fra Oslo…. Jeg viste det ikke og så det kun da jeg vår på Gardermoen. “Wrong AirPort”. 💀
Excellent calm professionalism well done crew and controllers.
I drove by the airport right after the emergency landing, I've never seen so many emergency vehicles heading in one direction before
Thank you for the upload, Victor.
Small update: They found some 'parts' of the plane on the runway in Oslo (where they took off).
Always good to hear that there were no injuries
Luck nobody built a bloody concrete wall in the runoff area…
From I saw that wall was apart of the localizer array.
Can't even find a single logical reason for that wall/mound to be built at that place... Who tf build their approach light on top of a wall/mound higher then the runway itself? So close to the runway as well.
@ What a genius idea….
It wasn't a concrete wall, it was an earthen embankment
@@Tumleren No it was a concrete wall. It was reinforced concrete. I just watched pilot blog's video about it here on youtube.
Thank you very much for picking this Story up!👍 It is in fact the best one of which we heard this christmas week from the aviation industry, allthough it was scary enough.
VASAviation never sleeps.
Read about accident in the news.
UA-cam upload already done.
dude. well done! Thanks!.
"Just standby"
"Yea we're not going anywhere mate"
This has been such a sad last week of 2024 for aviation. So many tragedies one after the other.. RIP to all departed souls 🙏
I was thinking that too. Remember the first week wasn’t so hot either…
Thankfully it appears no one was hurt in this one.
Indeed. It´s a horrible way of finishing this year.
@@uzlonewolfno one is injured. This was a pretty soft stop, just a bit bumpy. This is why you always keep your seatbelt fastened
Waiting for the Jeju Air Flight 2216 ATC conversation
In South Korea, it is uncommon to find real-time air traffic control (ATC) audio recordings posted on platforms like LiveATC. Unless an individual personally uploads such recordings to UA-cam or other platforms, it is unlikely to access them. Specifically, in South Korea, recording ATC audio is not a widespread practice. Even in cases where LiveATC feeds were active in the past, the airport involved in accidents were often located in regions without feeders.
It seems that creating an actual video with such content would take a considerable amount of time, and the likelihood of including authentic audio is very low. It is expected to take a long time before relevant authorities release a press statement regarding the incident, typically in text format only(accident report). Even in past accident cases, I am not aware of any instance where actual audio was made public.
Known timeline (Local):
8:57 AM (0 minutes):
The Muan International Airport control tower issues a bird strike warning to the Jeju Air accident aircraft as it approaches Runway 01 for landing. The aircraft’s ADS-B signal is lost on Flightradar24 around this time, likely due to the decreasing altitude. Its flight path also shows a slight rightward deviation before reaching the airport.
8:58 AM (+1 minute):
The captain of the accident aircraft declares a distress signal, "Mayday," after the warning is issued. The initial landing attempt fails, and the aircraft initiates a go-around.
9:03 AM (+6 minutes):
Following a suggestion from the control tower, the aircraft changes its approach direction to avoid residential areas and attempts an emergency belly landing on Runway 19. The landing gear does not deploy, and the aircraft is unable to sufficiently reduce speed. It collides with concrete structures and the localizer before crashing into the airport's perimeter fence. This results in an explosion and fire that destroys almost the entire aircraft except for the tail section.
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@@simon199418 thank you for sharing! 🫡
@@simon199418too soon man jesus
@@A_JY-p2r The same plane did emergency landing last Friday. Edit: That seems to have been medical emergency considering a passenger.
Gonna be busy today, Vas. 😢
Everyone's on edge after that crash. They say the safest time to travel is right now, when everybody is extra caucious.
Bad weather at ENGM makes diverting to the takeoff alternate a great alternative here. Kudos to all crew onboard.
What is a "takeoff alternative"?
@@Asptuber During bad weather, airlines typically plan for a takeoff alternate to return to in-case of a non-normal situation requiring immediate return, but the weather makes the departure aerodrome unsuitable for immediate return.
TL;DR: An airport close-by the departure airport where they can divert in case of an issue.
@@Henoik Thx. Makes sense, I'd just never thought of it.
@@Asptuber sometimes, a departure alternate is required if conditions are below a certain minimums
@@N1120A Thx - so this isn't something that is automatically always set/planned/nominated? Only when conditions are x or y?
Thinking further: Since weather is such a big part of this, doesn't it get tricky? Because what is the point of a _departure_ alternate if it is too far away, but if it is close the chances are good that the weather will be as bad there as at the actual departure airport...
(OK, if the actual dept is pretty small it makes sense to nominate somewhere with longer runways, better equipment etc as an alternate even if the weather is likely to be similar)
But am I getting it right if I think that the main idea is to have somewhere reasonably close either already briefed or at least "charts close to hand"?
@VASAviation I have always enjoyed your videos.
Very calmly handles by crew and atc
Excellent handling from Torp tower. Controller was juggling everything in correct priorities - alone in the tower seemingly (and in English with the plane and probably Norwegian with the services).
and he still managed some "norwegian high pitch" endings in his words🙃
Glad everyone was ok! I deal with norwegians often and the accents and intonations of ATC are still hilarious to me, especially the hesitation at 5:45 😂😂 it’s like they all sound exactly the same!
As a norwegian, I totally get it😂
At first i told myself the Norwegian controller sounded like he learned English from Canadians (lol), but now i wonder if some Canadian pronunciations are due to Norwegian immigrant influence (which occurred to me partly as one of my great grandfathers was one of many Norwegians who settled in Saskatchewan and other provinces early in last century).
Well clearly he wanted to ask qeustion but he did not know how to ask it under the stressful situation.
@@markmaki4460 Yep tons of Norwegians in that area, as well as south of the border.
2024's aviation season finale is making me nervous.
Me, too.😪 It´s a horrible way of finishing this year.
Its only going too get worse. A few high ranking pilots were warning about this in 2022 but nobody believed them. Sadly they were right and its only going too be worse
It started with that awful colision in Tokyo and ended with this horrific week :/
Isn't there usually a system where the pilot and crew can radio with the emergency captains? that controller in the tower was outstanding. 🎉
The emergency captains???
Yes, there is. Emergency vehicles usually have their own frequency in order to talk to each other while handling the emergency. So either the fire department switches onto tower frequency in order to talk to the aircraft or the aircraft switches to a separate emergency frequency where they can talk without disturbing tower or fire departement frequency. Normally, an emergency vehicle would be there listening to tower frequency passively in order to know what's going on.
In this case, it seemed like the best to have tower convey messages back and forth. The fire departement is on the ground with a lot of noise and not a native English speaker, so that could complicate things. Tower speaks the same language which makes it easier for them to talk to each other instead of the pilots. The pilots can hear tower perfectly, so it would have probably complicated things to have people talk to each other directly with a lot of noise pollution around.
But there are definitely situations where talking to the fire department directly is the better choice.
@VASAviation Thank you for the upload Victor! Do you have any info on Swiss International Air Lines flight LX1885 ?
December this year has been packed with air accidents...
Yes, and in a very scary way.
@@NicolaW72 It usually comes in three's. Between Thanksgiving Day and The New year' day.
@@rubenvillanueva8635 It´s a long time ago that a similar cascade of bad things happened in the aviation industry - the last time probably in early 2009, when Sully´s Landing on the Hudson, the Crash of Colgan Air Flight 3407 at Buffalo and the Crash of Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 nearby Amsterdam happened within a few weeks, allthough with much fewer Fatalities.
“can you confirm the negative?”
“positive on the negative” (my brain said, though not the pilots…)
"-Is that a negative or a positive?"
"-A positive"
Pragmatism and professionalism on all sides, job well done by everyone.
big bang on takeoff is usually a blown main tire.
Professional communication all along. Calm and collected. Love it!
"Can you confirm negative?"
"Positive."
In the early part of the recording, it sounds like one of the pilots has an open microphone.
Of all the aviation disasters this week, here is one where the public can rely on a comprehensive and non-corrupt investigation. The results will increase safety for everyone flying in these last Boeings, unless of course someone has an anti-aircraft wall/launcher at their runway.
Good thing it was marginal weather.. otherwise they would have had to contend with flight students buzzing around. Also, people are happy there was no "wall" but should be aware there is a drop off at end of this runway.. same result
ATC voice seems like he is nervous!
Could be or it's just the Norwegian accent.
@@swestuff A mix I think! There was a lot going on, already a pan pan, he's also talking to the fire & rescue crew, and then the aircraft slid off the runway. Change of mindset in a matter of seconds!
@@swestuff I am Norwegian. He is definitely nervous / anxious.
I think it is mostly a side-effect of speaking Norwegian as first language...or maybe a bit chilly outside.
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Also Norwegian here. Agree he sounds shaken. I don't think he's seen much action of this nature at this small airport. ^^
Can we please get the airport tower microphones that is not from Temu black week sale? this is 2025. (the first communication)
UPDATE on Jeju 737 SK fatal crash. ANOTHER Jeju airlines B737-800 experienced landing gear malfunction TODAY (30 Dec) and was forced to return after takeoff. SK Transport Ministry now preparing to announce special inspection of ALL (101) B737-800 aircraft operated by South Korean airlines. Source - Jen Moon journalist for DW News reporting from Muan.
5:55 Did he say "Right heading 310"?
No
5:55 Vectoring for ramp? :) Unable!
" TWR, we are very sorry for the trouble, thank you for all the help, wish you a happy new year, seasons greetings "
" No no , WE are sorry, we will aim to do better next time, all the best to you and family"
KLM pilots did a great job getting this plane on the ground as fast as possible. Hydraulic issues are no joke and once you lose hydraulic pressure to your ailerons and/or stabilisers, it's game over. Usually starts with one system, then followed by another and another. Seems like the nose gear was the first one to go and they instantly noticed a drop of hydraulic pressure. Very professional work from both the pilots and ATC.
I Flew With That Plane To Málaga In July 2024
I cannot imagine how difficult it is to have to learn English used mostly only for your job and how stressful it must be to ensure you’re using correct words during emergencies. These folks did a fantastic job, in my opinion. Well done. KLM still has the best livery 😊❤
We learn english in general, not only for our jobs.
Well they’re Dutch and most Dutch speak fluent English anyways
Any video on KL815 diverting back to Amsterdam due to hydraulic problems?
"Pompom pompom pompom 🎶 "
Nice Since I'm Dutch I was already downloading the ATC conversations and ran a little audio denoiser over them, worked well. Was just still looking for the actual pan pan call.
Anyone has some technical in-depth knowledge what could happen? WHy they could not control aircraft on the ground? To steer at high speed they use rudder, to steer at low speeds they use tiller for nose wheel. Do you think they lost hydralics of a rudder? Or they lost brakes or one of the brakes were jammed?
Not in-depth, but the rudder is a primary flight control and they WOULD still have it. Nosewheel steering might have been disabled, and they DID veer to the right, into the wind.
Doesn’t make any sense to me, nose wheel steering is on A system, there’s an alternate nose wheel steering on B system. Rudder uses both primary systems and the third standby system.
If they lost one of the primary systems, they would lose the thrust reverser deployment on that side. It’s definitely mentioned in the checklists, but in the chaos of things they may have missed it (or just forgot after touchdown and instinctively went full reverse on both engines.)
Full TR on one side only would definitely pull a 737 off the runway. Also I’m not sure what the other engine would do if it was supposed to be full reverse but couldn’t deploy doors - I’m assuming it would just stay at idle thrust?
It depends on which hydraulic system(s) were not working. The 737 has two main hydraulic systems (A and B) and a standby system. Not every function is controlled by every hydraulic system. Certain functions like nose wheel steering and normal braking are only controlled by one hydraulic system so it can lead to limited ground handling if that side of the hydraulic system is out of action.
There is obviously something that is missing and they will investigate on it… also from my side of view it is a pretty strange incident… but you know a slight human error especially in distress situation is pretty like to be happened. But we won’t know still everything will be figured out. Important thing is that everyone is safe. For all the rest there are the insurances companies that will not be happy :)
I read in norwegian news that they think one of the tires exploded and pieces of the tire flew off and damaged hydraulic system etc.
two b737’s one E190 and one Q400, all in the month of december
And the last three all seem to be hydraulic issues??? I wish we had ATC for the DeHavilland.
And my wish was granted even before I asked! Thank you, VASAviation
@@Karenonflute Yeah, right….
Also, i meant TWO Q400’s. There was an overrun incident with a Philippine Airlines Express Q400, runway excursion too…
Where the Norwegian flight in Molde that almost ran into the sea? 19.Dec
Hopefully safe by this time
@@VASAviation Any coms from the DY 430? It's also a Boeing 737-800
crazy week for the norwegian flight
It is a hard few weeks for Boeing as if they hadn't enough for this year alone. Now our/my national carrier KLM B738 hydraulic probs.
With KLM there is no such thing as being Dutch state owned anymore. Since hostile takeover in 2003, Air France owns every little screw on any plane. In the shortest of time knowledge of maintenance, ICT, HR, was incorporated in France. What was left were the landing rights on AMS, a loyal workforce and hollow brand names like KLM, Transavia, Martinair, Cityhopper. Nationalism never fails with a bit of lying, right?
@testdummycrash9258 Yea you are right about that, yes that there is no really physical company behind KLM anymore owned by the Netherlands themselves. Eaten up by Airfrance that from the beginning had huge financial problems and merging with KLM, KLM became the National cash cows to keep France planes in the air with government subsidies we are Dutch people pay that fanish in French pockets. Only KLM has showed to operate profitability. But dont now exactly how much of all is french property and how much KLM is still their own entity or just a shadow. So yes the "Brands names" and the paint reflects to a bygone succesfull era.
What's going on with the 737?
How do you playback on LiveATC?
That echoing PAN PAN PAN call sounded like someone speaking in tongues.
😂 so true
Emergency signal "Mayday" and urgency signal "Pan pan" is usually repeated three times.
Do you have the Jeju Air incident as well
the shaking in the ATC controller's voice. Must have been beyond terrifying.
It's more that it's late at night, and the airport is quiet, thus he is the only controller of the entire airport, controlling not only the air traffic but also ground, emergency, transport, taxiway, etc. So he is juggling multiple things at the same time. So he is communicating with a lot of stuff at the same time, so yeah I can understand he is a little shaking in his voice, all he wanted was a quiet night, receive a few planes and that's it
Well, no flying around christmas days for me. Seems to be a hazardous time....lol
So strange to watch the video, I fly in this airspace often and recognize the controllers voice - just so weird to watch this on UA-cam
So what caused the excursion if it appears that they maintained normal flight controls. The rudder is powered by two hydraulic systems, any issues with nose gear steering should default it to central position.
Ruptured nose gear tire combined with loss of hydraulics on the nose wheel could easily make a plane very difficult to control at certain (low) speeds. You cannot countersteer except for with rudder and that is not effective when it doesn't have a fast enough airflow to use.
Why did it not stay on the tarmac?
why did it stop on the grass?
Like 3-4 Aviation incidents in past 3 days. What’s happening? Busy holidays season?
Will be interesting to learn what the hydraulic problem was as I think those planes have three separate redundant systems 🤔 anyone know for sure?
5:58 If that subtitle was from the AI you were advertising last video, It needs a lot more work. I dont think crashed planes need to readback headings...
My videos are all hand edited, not AI. It was just a copy paste issue with that caption. Apologies.
@@VASAviationNo need to apologize! It's a typo. You upload high quality videos shortly after the incident, sometimes several a day! Nobody expects perfection, because it's not possible. Thank you for keeping us informed all year and the great work you are doing.
@VASAviation no need to apologise, I understand how easy it is to make mistakes like that, especially under time pressure.
Add the Jeju Airlines aswell cuz it crashed at South Korea
Bad week for the 738
With all the modern technology, why radio signals and communications are so crap?
@@isag.7468 it is better in the plane and tower. The recordings are made by random recievers
Unfortunately, as far as civil aviation accidents are concerned, the year is ending like it begun..........
Waiting for Jeju Air video
5:52 HUH Tower says (KLM58K, Can you stop your engines?) the reply from KLM58K (Right heading 310, KLM58K)???????????????????????
Yeah that one is weird af.
Its no correct translation
Wrong caption obviously.
What a jejuair crash
Bro this is 5 crashes in a week. What is happening!?!
It didn't crash.
@jeromeprins6164 it's off the runway that's technically a crash.
@Zan_YTnope
@Zan_YTnope it's an excursion.
A KLM Boeing ‘738’?
Yes
Aka 737-800.
@@Xathon aaaah yea didn’t know that thanks
So why did he drive off the runway?
It is possible that the aircraft hit the grass with its right wheels and partially sank into it, causing it to turn to the right.
Hydraulics problem, it's possible they didn't have nose wheel steering.
Big bird strike or what?
It is curious how the aircraft is lined up parallel to the taxiway. If he had lost directional control during the landing and gone off the side of the runway - it would usually not be at so much angle. A mystery to be solved. Thankfully no one was hurt so this was a highly successful outcome.
It is possible that the aircraft hit the grass with its right wheels and partially sank into it, causing it to turn to the right.
Wann ist dieser vorfall ?😮
Das war am 28.12.2024
"I don't see anything abnormal", except maybe that Boeing airliner in the middle of the grass
What’s happening in aviation..!!
Winter.
Winter and no real maintenance is being done.
@@johnarnell4241 @ultramagnushurts I think he meant about the 737-800 in South Korea which crashed in a similar conditions (no landing gear and maybe with hydraulics issues)
Calm down
profit over people baby. In this case though, just winter. tech advancement aside flying a plane is still extremely difficult and accidents will happen.
Heavens, another one?
When it rains it pours 😢
For everyone saying it is a bad year for aviation … of course I share with everyone of you (I hope) big respect for all the victims and their families. But I continue to be sure that aviation is the safest means of transport possible, and year after year the data prove it. Unfortunately moving around with zero risk is not possible for now but I hope in the future it will become so.
It is really a scary way of finishing this year.
As I always tell people who are afraid of flying, the most dangerous part of a commercial airline flight (on a plane with 30+ seats, and not in Africa or a war zone) is probably walking in the parking lot. The second most dangerous part is probably getting to/from the airport by car. The actual flight itself is insanely safe.
stop your engines?
I took the flight on Thursday 19th of December to LHR on the PH-BXM and I heard some strange sound on the plane, also i smelt a strong fuel at the take off. It didn’t felt 100% comfortable but luckily nobody was injured during the emergency landing…
It does seems that Holidays time are prone to accidents and aviation accident if we include last year's Japan airline crash. Maybe we also should look into it as a secondary avenue thing and have awarness
Whats going on with this Boeing?
What is going on?
Nice
Another hydraulic?? failure on the runway??☠💀
Weird to hear Norwegian dialect on this channel 😂
You can't park there, mate!!!
Well apparently they can
@hkr667 Since they needed to!
Wonder how long it took you to come up with that boring drivel comment
Think, push and then talk.. ATC
What is going on lately in the airline industry? Is this all poor maintenance
In the last six months:
Aktau, Kazakhstan, E-190: Missile attack.
Muan, S. Korea B-737: Bellied down way too far down the runway, overshot and hit wall at runway end instead of an EMAS or safety area. Landing gear did not extend, so maintenance could be a cause.
Halifax, Canada, DHC-8: Landing gear collapse, so, yes, it could well be maintenance.
Torp, Norway, B-737: Bang on takeoff, FOD or birds on runway, but maintenance could be a cause.
Venhedo, Brazil, ATR-72: Probable icing.
Bangkok, Thailand, CE-208: Cause not yet established.
Antalia, Turkey, Su-S100: Engine fire on landing, FOD or birds on runway, but maintenance could be a cause.
Vilius, Lithuania, B-737: Cause not yet formally established; pilot error is a leading candidate.
Looks like a variety of causes, but 4 of 9 are possibly maintenance related.
@@SDK-im8sl i flown at least every year to my home country. 6 hour long haul flight. This makes me very nervous
Putin.
Excellently handled. Seems probably like a blown tire on the right side.
All profesionals as far as I heard....!!