TESTED: Byrna Kinetic & Max Rounds in Tactical Live Fire Defense Drills Against Armed Threat
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Explore advanced self-defense techniques in this "Firearms Defense Test." A skilled firearms instructor faces a rigorous challenge: navigating a live fire drill under the impact of Byrna Kinetic and Max (OC/CS) chemical rounds. This high-intensity demonstration reveals the effectiveness of various self-defense tools against an armed aggressor.
00:51 - Introduction to Brian and Monarch Defense
01:02 - Overview of the Test
02:33 - Test 1: Kinetic Projectiles Performance
03:56 - Test 2: Max (OC/CS) Projectiles Performance
06:17 - Beast Mode
06:33 - Analyzing the Effects of the OC/CS Powder
07:23 - Debrief and In-Depth Discussion
08:33 - Brian’s Accidental Exposure to OC/CS Powder
09:09 - Discussing Best Use Cases and Applications
Key Highlights:
- Live Fire Drill Execution
- Use of Byrna Kinetic and Max OC/CS Chemical Rounds in Self-Defense
- Tactical Self-Defense Response to Armed Threats
- Insights from Experienced Firearms Expert
DISCLAIMER: The activities in this video are performed by trained professionals in a controlled environment. DO NOT attempt to recreate any of the actions shown. The opinions expressed are for educational purposes and should not be considered absolute facts.
🚨 Full safety and legal disclaimer in the video.
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One big difference between your test and a real world situation is that your test subject was expecting and anticipating it. A person boarding your boat looking to rob you would not be expecting to get hit with those.
Yes, but a robber boarding the boat is only one of many likely threats. There are plenty of situations where the aggressor may not be expecting to be hit but is determined to cause harm and still may not be deterred. Or where the aggressor is wearing thicker clothing, has an altered mental state (drugs or otherwise), or has a high threshold for pain. Our test also does not demonstrate the effects wind would have on the max projectiles, a test that has direct relevance to boats at anchor. But your point is well taken and I agree in the real world there would likely be a stronger deterrence than it seems in these tests, at least in the most common situations. Though possibly not in the most severe. For us the tests were valuable in better understanding the deployment and effects of the system so we can have discussions like this from a more informed starting point and be better prepared should a worst case scenario happen. You may be interested in cruisersafety.info It’s a document that takes a deep dive into this topic. Thank you for sharing this important point.
Thanks for your response. We opted for Bear Jelly Aerosols on Dragonfly, but never has to use it. Thankfully.
Thank you too@@svdragonfly6664 . What is your defense plan after deploying the spray? Presumably the aggressor will have difficulty leaving your boat after exposure? Most of what I learned about chem sprays stipulate "run away" as the final step after use, something that's hard to do while on a boat at anchor. That is what originally attracted us to a stand-off kinetic solution, but we're always looking for new ideas or perspectives...
Please do some testing on sprays. Even if not expired many stop working from carrying it year round
What if all the shots were to the face or eyes? Would he go blind or still determined?
Hes a pro. I dont think the average criminal is this skilled to make those kind of shots in that scenerio.
And attacking exposed, stationary targets. He was still determined, but that CS bullet looks like it could def help you get away from almost all scenarios besides being assassinated or on a battlefield 😅. That and if you shot your attacker in the face - better than waiting for them to get in macing distantance
You don't know for sure who you may be actually dealing with though. DO YOU REALLY WANNA TAKE THAT CHANCE?
He's also wearing glasses when they shoot the tear gas lol. so it's going to be less effective than if he wasn't..
Next they should try head shot tests. lol
@@freedomofspeech361what else am I gonna use a bat? 🤷🏼♂️ no real option
So....Kinetic rounds only, and to the face. Got it. Thanks!
😂😂😂😂
Ya got THAT right! 😂
Mouth, eyes forehead
9:20 Yes, but the thing you need to remember is that the perpetrator won't know what he's being shot with. All he'll know is that you pulled out something that looks like a handgun, started shooting, and now he's being hit and feeling pain. If the perp is in a situation where he can flee, and not get shot anymore, I would be willing to bet that he would.
I think so
Recuerden siempre llevar su vaselina, para después de inmovilizar al atacante poder abusar de él con todo el tiempo posible.
As someone who has used this in a real attempted break in as well an attempted arm robbery on two completely different occasions it works and deters. I was aiming torso and headshots.
Thanks for the comment. I'm glad to know it worked for you and that you are ok! We never said it would not work, we just don't think it would be effective against a motivated aggressor.
@@TwoAfloatyou mean like some fucker on fentanyl.
Attempted break-in, And armed robbery where in the hell do you live no offense, but most people may experience one of those in a lifetime. I think this is a great video, and I thank you for it.
@@BillEngraveu need to move
@@BillEngrave Maybe he lives in a mansion that is attracted to criminals, and he's 96 years old--thereby working on his second "lifetime."
This is the single best demonstration of a real world scenario currently available on the entire internet. Kudos to your team and kudos to Brian especially. Excellent job.
@icecream400, epic to hear that and thank you! Yes, Brian is a stud for taking those hits. :) N
Totally agree with you, most other videos are just of people standing there getting shot....this was pretty demonstrative
By far, the best example of real life situation!
This almost completely changed my mind on this product, until I realized he wore protective glasses for the chemical test. I feel like the true effects of the product haven't been shown. Based off of how he reacted to it with protective glasses on, I feel like having that chemical exposed directly to your eye ball would be a whole different experience.
I CALL B.S. Brian is a highly, HIGHLY motivated individual in EVERYTHING he does. So, unless you are going up against cartel members, Al-Qaeda or a perp hopped up on angle dust, this is NOT a realistic scenario. Seriously, Brian could probably tank five 9mm rounds and still finish the course. So, all I've learned is: Not for use in Afghanistan or Northern Mexico, and kinetic rounds to the face. Thank you for the vid! Stay safe!
What about drug users and people with thick clothes? (Both very realistic possibilities)
@@charliem4560 la arma sorpresa, el machete oxidado siempre podrá contra todo eso, suerte brot
It would be nice if you had a person that wasn’t trained and a professional do the test. Combat trained personnel with combat experience understand how to stay focused and use their adrenaline. I did enjoy the video and debriefing.
I issue these to my security officers. I own a small security business and these tools have been highly effective. Youre also using this on a combat hardened person whos had previously been exposed by chemical irritants. Also most ppl are not going to empty their magazine right off the bat. Try engaging him directly and not just shooting the whole magazine at once. So as someone who uses these daily i know the true effects of this product. Its like any tool you train and you learn to use it effectively.
Thank you for saying that because I also own not a byrna, I have a umarex HDR .50 cal and I'm sorry but two pepper balls and then four aluminum traveling at much faster than the byrna around 400 ft per second to the face You 100% are going to stop 100% and I understand that you can't really test that but they don't even mention that as a scenario They talk about every other scenario but they don't say anything about yeah you know what how bad that shit hurt hitting me here I bet if one hit me in the face or the whole clip I don't think I'd be coming at you anymore but they don't say that so everybody in the comments say oh wow this thing doesn't do anything I beg to differ! Just saying. If your going to be informative be 100% completely informative!
yeah well that first test wasn't chemical - think like they concluded in the end that these are only good for dogs, and driving away assholes or maybe means of retreat to access lethal means
Wow guys that was amazingly well put together and unbiased presentation! I am a big Byrna fan mostly do to the realism of the launcher combined with the pierce and shoot technology but now I have to admit I have to change my self defense strategy depending on the threat level especially if I cannot count on the chemicals breaking or effectiveness. I really hate the thought of aiming at the face but it is something I’m going to have to start practicing as an alternative. By far this is the best Byrna video on UA-cam and I will be sharing it! I liked and subscribed.
Thank you for the comment. I too am a big Byrna fan, but like you have re-evaluated my strategy. For example, I now only load kinetic rounds. FWIW, I reached out to Byrna for their response thinking perhaps they had some suggestions regarding optimizing the Max rounds but after an initial reply they ghosted me. I'll keep trying. Monarch Defense and our channel are considering a follow up video incorporating a wider range of use-case scenarios, and some other tests I think you may find interesting. Thanks again for the sub and comment, more to come! ;)
@@TwoAfloat You really need to take some hits from the Grimburg Gavle. I am going to purchase one. I live in the Bay Area and would loan it to you for testing!
very good demo, i have and carry a byrna but i have had my doubts about its effectiveness, this helps understand its uses and limitations - thank you for the video
We also carry Byrna and share your sentiments. Thanks for the comment.
They should try grimburg gavel
@@coryford9446 5 rounds and it's a useless plastic club that takes 2 days to reload. A tweaked FSC will eat the Galve and anything else
I think staggering the max & kinetic rounds and aiming for the face & thorax would be quite the attention getter.
I planned to get a Byrna LE until I saw this test. I really want a concealable ranged nonlethal defense but this was incredibly eyeopening--no clue what to look for now. Thank you to the team with a special nod to Brian... just wow!
Not a fan of this review. You have trained military expert that trains snipers and other professionals about a product that is not designed to be lethal OR incapacitate. The level of incapacitation gives the victim TIME to get out of the situation. In a “controlled” environment using a “expert” who has experienced high level military training including gas chambers, etc giving a review of a deterrent and another option of LE to use in the field so they don’t have to shoot and kill a person with a stick, knife, rock, etc is a great option. Highly unlikely Force Recon, Navy Seals, Rangers, or ParaRescue will be out fitting their squads with Byrna. Just saying guys, the review is flawed and HIGHLY out of context and realistic use cases. Go and get 5 volunteers of the street and run the same test and you’ll have a more accurate depiction of the effectiveness of this weapon platform than using GI Joe…Just saying…
Im not trained nor am I mil or leo. Shoot me with that plastic toy and see what happens next. Hint, I always pack heat.@@profxjohnson
@@filfarmerpacnw4868that “plastic toy” can incapacitate you long enough to get close and neutralize the threat. This is obviously another option for less than lethal force.
Like you I’m a 2A advocate. I match force when necessary. Simple! But is lethal force ALWAYS necessary. Guns have but ONE purpose. To end a life… having an option is not a bad thing brother. Whether you carry your gun or a less than lethal option, I’m praying you never have to use it. Having to take a life is life changing 😢. #Semper Fi
I was disappointed that the pepper balls did not always break open.
@@filfarmerpacnw4868
The issue with that is a lot of people get shot with a handgun and it doesn't deter them if they are a trained and determined individual.
It's basically pepper spray with longer range.
Thank you! This perfectly filled the holes of information I was looking for. Damn, Brian, you're a beast! Thanks for putting yourself through that!
Great video! It's always fascinating to see these self-defense drills in action. While the Byrna Kinetic and Max Rounds definitely deliver some serious impact, it's important to remember that they have their limitations. As some commenters noted, relying solely on non-lethal options may not be the best choice when dealing with an armed threat. Considering legal restrictions and potential consequences, it's crucial to assess your personal safety needs and choose the right tools for you. Keep up the great work, stay safe, and keep exploring different defense options! Your videos always provide valuable insights.
100% facts well said. I love this video very informative I don't own a byrna for the people who do its not wise to draw out your byrna and engage with a individual especially with one that's concealing a firearm you can get away defending yourself with a Criminal that has a knife trying to attack you majority of the time they have a gun. Your wiling to preserve a life they are attempting to take your life. You got to have a backup plan.
@@zartancobra-bs5lkHow about putting steel/aluminum rounds on the byrna? 🤔 .68
@@KTannerPaisleyKKSteel are too heavy and Aluminum rounds are only going to be effective if you're using the LE as the SD isn't gonna be able to fire them very hard due to the weight. The LE fires a lot harder. Aluminum rounds are most effective with a modified Umarex HDX or the Grimberg Gavle with fire 3x harder.
Bottom line: Better than nothing!
Fun video, thanks for taking some rounds for our amusement. That being said, non-lethal is rarely effective against an adrenaline jacked assailant and should not be relied upon for stopping a violent threat
lol if I’m using a Byrna I’ll aim for face, neck and anything tender with two 7 round clips then running because I’m a super fast runner that not many people can catch.
Good video though and Byrna definitely has a place, they aren’t selling like hot cakes for no reason plus a lot of people will get scared because they’re not sure what they just got hit by, especially if one hits the head-face.
Facts
Thanks. Great video from one tough, gutsy guy. I think that you just saved me some money as I was hoping that these would bring down an assailant.
Great video, guys! Kudos to the young man who took all that pain in the name of education.
Thank you @ToddisOK! Yes, huge kudos to Brian for taking the hits! Cheers! N
As someone who has been responding to Police calls in the worst district of Baltimore City for the last 10 years and has responded to countless armed suspect calls, what people must realize is these less lethal tools are great, but they are most effective against an approaching unarmed attacker. For an armed attacker, I would resort to an actual firearm loaded with bullets.
Purchasing the black colored Byrna less lethal pistols can potentially save your life in many different situations where an armed attacker is approaching with a firearm in an attempt to either attack, car jack, or rob a victim since the vast majority of the time, when an attacker is looking for a victim, they are looking for an easy victim, and just the sight of what looks to be a real gun being pulled in self-defense is enough in the vast majority of cases to send an attacker running with their tail between their legs even if they are brandishing a real firearm because they don't want to risk losing their life over committing a crime that they can just pick another easy victim who is unarmed and carry out on.
It's not something I would put my life on but in the vast majority of cases, that is how it plays out.
I recommend to students who I train in the use of both less lethal and lethal defense to carry several less lethal options on them in addition to a firearm loaded with bullets. You can never go wrong with a can of pepper spray, a Taser Pulse, a Byrna pistol, and a pistol loaded with bullets. For an unarmed attacker, I would resort to anything besides a pistol loaded with bullets, but anytime an attacker is armed with any sort of weapon in their hands, it's right to the pistol loaded with bullets.
Great advice! Thank you AIFBBJacked! :) Nicole
I can tell you kimber life act pepper spray is potent as it gets. I had a guy try to take my truck by force one night in a parking lot. I grabbed it out of the center console and hit him at near point blank range. He ate the full spray in the eyes. ( life act uses a pyrotechnic delivery system to squirt it some distance) after the first hit he staggered and I hit him a second time with the bottom shot ( it’s got 2 shots, one top and one bottom and the device handles like a small firearm). He tripped over himself as he started running away, it was right about then the burn probably kicked in. He screamed and I never saw someone run so fast. The police came and took a report until their radio crackled about a guy who just showed up at a clinic with his face covered in a red sticky burning substance ( life act is dyed red for easy identification). Cops said they would be in touch and they took off. The right pepper spray is nasty stuff
This is the best test of this weapon I've seen.
Stoked to hear that! Cheers! N
Thanks for taking shots man
nice job. so the Byrna is effective to some extent against a threat that does not have a plan. in the video the intruder has a plan so can follow thru knowing the terrain and location of targets. but if an intruder was trying to clear a space that s/he had no pre-mapped idea of, they would be at a true disadvantage.
Great general information I would love to see you conduct same test with the Grimberg Gavle kinetic irritant projectiles that would be awesome.
Good idea, I'll look into that. - R
Let's just give this video a like and share for the science!
This video answered a lot of questions that I had about Byrna's effectiveness, especially the Max round. I still believe in the Byrna as a good "delay and distract" tool until I can reach my .12 gauge.
I agree. The effect is not as severe as they market it to be. A single projectile just has too little active ingredient released.
To the face?
@@KTannerPaisleyKK That would work but it's generally more difficult to achieve. I'll be testing more than one option for targeting the face with a pepperball next week and in January. I want to see how realistic it actually is.
@@ScaredyCatTactical True. My experiences 50/50 trouble maker cover face if aimed at. Aim for the junk as second option?
@@KTannerPaisleyKK That works but it may have a similar difficulty level.
@ScaredyCatTactica
Pepper ball in the face, if you can't see you can't fight.👀
Thank you. You saved me alot of money. I have to be able to trust this in order to carry it.
I've taken 3 kinetics to the chest and 2 to the upper arm and is was hard to not take a knee but I stayed mobile. But that being said, I was sober and not hyped up on drugs so, they are not to be relied upon for serious self defense as stated in the video.
Thanks for sharing your experience. - R
Yeah. Bullshido! You're funnyman
I thank you guys for being fair with the product showcasing both pros and cons. I think this just drives home the use “the right tool for the right job” mentality in regards to self defense, should you be pulling a less lethal on an aggressor with a real firearm? Probably not. Can you use this to successfully deter an unarmed aggressor/animal? Absolutely yes.
Agreed, thanks for the comment
Dang bro, you're an animal! Taking all that punishment yet still being this composed and articulate is insane 👏👍👊💪
Dude is a beast
One more test! YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING! do test with someone who doesn't know your testing how effective it is or what your testing!
LOL! I don't how well that will go over... Nicole
Thank you so much for your scientific research. It is greatly appreciated to get a visual on what it could look like. 👍
Was considering getting a LTL launcher but seeing that if a person is wearing winter gear and layers of clothing then it would pretty much render it useless , unless your able to get a head shot , awesome video guys you took it next level
The Bryana is significantly weaker than options available by Umurex. I have a 20 joule HDP50 that I wouldn't even recommend testing on a person. Also these kinetic rounds are hard but they are not steel core kinetics. Berna are cool more compact and have better loading mechanics but Umurex raw potential far exceeds Berna. This hole drill would have went different if they used a HDp 50 20 joule or worse a HDX 40 joule (should be called hopefully not lethal)
Look at the grimburg gavle. Like 5x's stronger
Hard-core! Great stuff! I always knew it was more for people who are afraid to carry guns, but to see they won't stop a determined person, that's truly eye opening
"For people afraid to carry guns"? What about buying a byrna so you can take into places that forbid guns on their property!?
For people afraid to carry guns? Why would I need to use my burner if I can use a Byrna in most cases instead.
Wow thank you so much for this live-demo. This whole thing is the equivalent of someone saying "Jeet kun do" or "wing chung" is effective in a real fight and then you guys actually testing it out in the octagon. Unfortunately I live in Canada and our options are really highly limited. At home I have dogs so it's not problem but I started walking around a bullet-proof backpack "just-in-case". I've been thinking lately what I could sneak in there and have been looking into Byrna. I'm looking mainly into active-shooter scenarios here. Your demo clearly shows that this would not even slow down a motivated gunman with nothing to lose. Brian wasn't even wearing armor!
Excellent! Pepper balls are useful for LEOs, not for personal defense. Although I agree with the debrief, the test should show what would happen if someone was charging the Byrna holder, with a knife or club. First of all they wouldn't even attack until they were within 1o feet at the most. They could close that 10 feet in 2 seconds or less. Legally if you pull out the Byrna and shoot a belligerent homeless person 20+ feet away. you may get charged with aggravated assault, if they are just threatening with their fist. If you spray a belligerent homeless person, etc., with pepper spray, no one is going to say anything. Pain compliance with someone coming at you with a hatchet, is a dangerous message to feed to the general public. Thanks for this video. I am subscribing just to help the channel.
Thank you for the valuable comment and insight. One use case where perhaps the Byrna chem and/or kinetic rounds might be useful would be if you're on a boat at anchor and are approached by people paddling up in a canoe or small dinghy with intent to harass or possibly rob (especially dinghy motors). I know that's a very specific scenario, but it the most common, though still rare, threat faced by the cruising community. In that case we think perhaps the chem rounds have a use. The idea would be to fire a few rounds into the bow of the approaching boat thus impacting the operators of the boat as they move through the cloud. To your point, another situation where a less-lethal option may be useful for self-defense would be against an approaching aggressive animal, eg. aggressive dog. We will incorporate your feedback into a followup video if we make one, thanks again.
Bottom line: It is still better than nothing!
I'm a new Byrna LE owner and am absorbing all the information I can. Your demonstration is easily the most objective I've found. I would only say that I personally would never expect my Byrna to stop an assailant with a firearm. It's just a losing scenario from the start. You're better off taking cover wherever you can if you're unable to have your own firearm. In my situation I'm most likely to be faced with someone trying to strong-arm rob me. I would hope that the Byrna would be more effective in a scenario like that, even if they possibly have a knife. These kinds of criminals look for targets of opportunity, and I think the Byrna has a good chance of convincing them that they have better opportunities elsewhere. I also live in a warm climate so wearing layers is rare. Though windy weather is common, something to think about with chemical rounds. Thank you very much for the video and your commitment.
Thank you for sharing those points and perspectives. Based on my experiences with the system, if you are in a windy area I would consider the risks of having the OC/CS impact you as well (as it did us in the video when we inadvertently walked through the residual 'cloud'). This is even more of an issue at close range. Also, the chemical rounds take a few seconds for the effects to start. Perhaps you may be best served by using kinetic rounds, or some kinetic rounds to cause the aggressor to stop and/or back up, followed by a few chemical rounds to further incapacitate them as you escape? I'm hoping to test this use in the near future but to be frank Byrna ghosted me after this video was released so I'm having difficulty getting projectiles... Thanks again, Ryan
Kinetic round to face if you have to!
@@TwoAfloatthat’s how I have my byrna loaded one kinetic round one pepper/ gas , one kinetic and so on
So you never know when you will be facing someone with a gun so why would you carry this around? Just hope for the best?
@@erictrippe2778 Well it is better than nothing right?
Dang dude, taking those rounds like a champ.
I mean... you tell us in the beginning dude is experienced & good enough at what he does to train Ukrainian soldiers, and train ppl here too. He's litrrally trained and conditioned to ignore pain. Most bad guys, whether theyre tough or not (and theres some tough bad guys) ardnt trained like that, and a lot of them only go for targets that look easy. So i dont fedl that this test besns Byrna cant deter an attacker.
Also, you avoid the testers face for obvious reasons. Irl if someones attacking me and they get close enough im aiming at whatever part of the body i need to to get the guy to stop - if he has a bulky coat that may be his face.
Theres also the fact that the tester knew what this was. Irl, youre a bad guy, you try to attack someone, they whip out what looks like a gun & suddenly you feel searing pain - they may think hes being shot with a real gun, and thats a deterrent too.
All tools have limits. I appreciate the vid, and it was funny too! Lol. Just saying this doesnt deter me from getting a Byrna.
You make some good points. I think it's important to consider the fact that Brian's training had no effect on the multiple projectiles that did not properly deploy their irritant, nor does it impact his physiological response to the chemical, only his ability to function despite the physiological response. I agree, face shot would be effective, though obviously more difficult to achieve. For what it's worth, our intent is NOT to deter anyone from getting a Byrna. I personally own three and think they are great, but they have limitations and I think this video demonstrates the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of their Max projectiles.
Sorry but there is not one class or school in the US military for "conditioning and ignoring pain" - not even in special operations pipelines. You bring that from within and in spec ops that gets challenged and tested in assessment/ selection, BUD/s or whatever the pipeline. If you do not have the mental fortitude ... you DOR or quit.
Moot point anyways because he has never served in the military
Awesome work. A lot of sacrifice to show others the reality of these devices. Never fight lethal force with non lethal force.
Agreed, thanks for the comment.
Great job. Sending to many that are considering Byrna.
I think this is a great demonstration on the effectiveness of a less-lethal force option and why lethal force should not be met with less-lethal force. There are no less-lethal options on the market today that I would trust my life to and I have carried many. It's great to have options but lethal force needs to be one of them.
Amazing demonstration and a lot of lessons learned.Thank you for sharing.
Thank you! We found it interesting and very surprising as well. - Nicole
Best video IV seen so far showing the effectiveness of a byrna.. AWESOME VIDEO! Thank you!! Shout out to the guy who took those rounds!
Freakin BEAST and definitely determined!
I hope after going through that he will change his choice of words calling it a "toy" lol
Thank you for the comment. Brian is a legend. He was 100% recovered within 20 minutes! Except for the kinetic welts, those took a few days to heal... ;)
Showing the LACK of effectiveness you mean to say...
Thank you! These videos are very helpful. This TOY will in fact get someone hurt but it's not a deterrent
You get shot close range with the solid projectiles in the face and your going to stop lol 😂
I tend to agree... But don't miss! ;)
Same with a bb/pellet gun
@@TwoAfloat hi, now that we talk of close range, in our place, muggers tend to hold one in knife point. I think this is where the Byrna is most effective. Knife mugging is just within arm's length, and it's easier to hit the face (at point blank) before making a run for it.
@@jedBSME If your muggers knife is out and your Byrna isn't, that may not work so well. remember the 20' rule. If an attacker is within 20' he can most likely get to you BEFORE you can clear your holster, aim you weapon and fire. Of course you may not recognize the threat before he's attempts his mugging, just realize that if he's within arms reach and your weapon isn't out and ready, if he's determined, you're going to get cut before it's over.
@@russellloganmusic5023 Especially a pellet rifle lol. Those things can literally take your eyes out and they usually hold between 18-30 shots. If you get magdumped by a pellet rifle, it's over for you lol. You're gonna run away.
Thank you for that demonstration. Gives me a lot to think about. Appreciate it!
Incredible video. What a hero.
Righteous dude.
Now, here is my question: if one of those solid rounds had hit you in the face, would that have made a difference?
One huge difference from a "real world" scenario, is that he is trained with OC gas and/or pepper spray. The average intruder has never tasted that glory
Now that’s a great experiment. Well done guys. And to the guy that got hit, amazing job staying focused, I know that pain all to well and I would not have ever volunteered for that.
Great video! Probably the best scenario based Byrna test. Byrna is incredibly underpowered at 15-25joules max. In my opinion, For less lethal to be minimally effective, you need much heavier kinetic rounds, at least double to triple the power and more precise shot placement in areas that will incapacitate or cripple the threat. Groin, hips, hands, neck, face etc…all of which takes a ton of training and practice and even then you better hope the threat doesn’t have their own training. Thanks for the education and the sacrifice.
Thanks for the comment!
and that wall shot!! OMG TOTALLY PREMIUM 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
This was exactly what i was looking for. You answered my question.
This is kinda what I expected. Thanks for this test
thank 4 ur video , i just saw less lethal works so well and i totally have one 4 self defense!!!
Don't bring a Bryna to a gun fight. I own a Bryna and the accuracy is amazing. I would go for head shots instead of body shots.
I also own handguns.
We also own a few Byrnas but no firearms yet...where we currently live they are illegal. But if and when we do move back to the states we will for sure have both! With regards to head shots, totally agree. In my opinion, they could do a lot of damage and hurt like f*cking hell but we didn't want to put Brian to that test....nor did he want to go through that. :) - Nicole
I did find this content useful I want to add a few things and would like to see the test done a little bit differently in the future. Because I think it gives them more realistic. Going to point out a few things, the shooter was clearly trained in the military, and has been exposed to teargas before so that needs to be kept in context. Also, I think there is some advantage to the shooter that the targets are statics and brightly colored, it would be interesting to see the same thing done under safe conditions using Airsoft or simulations like an active shooter training. I have a feeling the shooter would be more challenged. If the target could move and was more dynamic nothing is 100% but if you’re not going to use a gun for obvious reasons, public area, etc. etc. I think this would definitely slow down and attacker and make it much more difficult to Make accurate shots. You’ve been with a live weapon. If you can’t make central nervous system hits and I don’t care how much you practice in a dynamic situation you’re not going to always make a CNS shot the shooter would be able to shoot you back so there’s always a chance of return fire even if you make place shots in a dynamic situation, I think this is more useful for people who are not heavily trained in firearms and most criminals I have run into are not that driven once something starts happening to them, peace out there’s always a I’ll wire to anything, but I still think this is a good product and keeps my house safe especially with the wife who is not as comfortable with firearms
Excellent vid. Answers my questions
Thank you! Yes, it answered our questions as well. It was an interesting test. Cheers! N
It also raised a bunch in my mind. Stay tuned... ;) - R
Second video I have watched now. I have more questions than answers
Not everyone can have a firearm and something is better then nothing at all 🤷🏼♂️
Aim for the face
@@KTannerPaisleyKK exactly. shot placement. Nuts neck face 👍🏻
Agreed. Our point was not to deter someone from using a Byrna so much as make sure we know the system's strengths and limitations as we integrate it into our personal defense strategy.
Would love to see if he can withstand only one LUD round round from the Grimburg Gavel, which hit a lot harder. Thanks for going through the demonstration with the Byrna!
In all fairness, the shooter never shot his face. What would have happened if the shooter did shoot him in the face? Would he still be able to continue? Id love to see another review with the dude getting shot in the face scenario. Please, pretty please. Would you?
Very important! Remember, people. It's non-lethal. Hell, even guys who get shot with the real gun don't always fall on the first shot. So, this video just proves that, although Bryna is effective to some degree, it's not an end to all means. It is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Who does that? SMFH.
Additionally, someone wrote that if the guy is on some stuff that the Bryna would be ineffective. Well that also hold true with the real gun. That has been documented time and again. So if a real gun is useless against someone whose on drugs, so is the Bryna. But, its better to have the Bryna LE than nothing at all, isn't that right? Enough said! 💯 💯👍👍👌👌
Thank you for the comment. I personally carry an LE, but am grateful to now have a better understanding of it's strengths and limitations.
Try hitting a moving target in the face.
Very helpful info about how to use this handgun. You are courageous to let yourself be shot. Thank you.
Thanks, answers some basic questions for me. Cheers.
My big thing is, I would much rather know that I tried to deter the threat before I went to lethal rather than going straight to lethal and then having to deal with the fact that I killed somebody and did I do enough to try to deter it did I do enough to try to get away etc. etc.
I like byrna but they won't sell their hopper model. So instead I chose to buy a paintballgunn with riot rounds. Holds about 200 shots or something like that
I wish we had the Byrna pepper ball guns when I was a corrections officer in 1970. All we were issued were firearms and a whistle.
You would be dead if you trusted this thing in a prison. All you would have done is piss them off more.
those kinetic rounds hit way harder than i thought they would
For sure! I can't believe Brian, the instructor, had no problem doing this. He's a tough guy, in my opinion, with taking pain. I hope he heals fast. :) N
Yeah, me too. It recalibrated my thinking towards how I load my own Byrna. I used to mix Kinetic and Max rounds, now I'm running 100% Kinetic pending further testing of the chem rounds. - R
But the other guy's 9mm rounds will hit you much harder...
But excellent informative video, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Bryan for taking one (or more) in the name of science
Thanks for the review. Honest and informative.
Thank you for this demonstration. This is by far one of the most in-depth reviews I have seen... I head the safety team for our Sunday morning gatherings... By no means do I want to end a life... This would be harder to conceal than my EDC which is either my 380 or slim 9mm.. so that's a negative. I also wonder what this would do against a carhartt, barn jacket type of outerware... But I like the idea of shooting at walls nearby the attacker in hopes that he leaves... I think my biggest concern is something that you mentioned, and that is, if the attacker has a real gun, and immediately recognizes that you don't, I think he is going to immediately recognized that he will win the fight as long as he stays in it... Whereas, he might think twice if he hears an actual gun.. the use of non-lethal forces definitely been a topic of discussion amongst our leadership leadership team, but in the end, it is a couple volunteers that are on the front lines, and essentially up to us how we choose to protect.... Your ability to keep on keeping on has kind of persuaded me...thank you so much for this video... Most other videos just show people standing there and getting shot
Brian is a BEAST!!! 🤯
agreed. great instructor too
Ive never ccw’d since being lethal armed may not work out well someday, but this looks like a good legal self defense system
Most definitely! We have 3! - N
It's better than "nothing", that's for sure!
Especially when you're in an area or country where firearms are illegal. At least it gives you a chance. N
I wish i had watched this before getting the launcher.
I was relying solely on Byrna. Time to arm myself
Naw, the average person would not be able to take that same type of punishment with devastators followed by bear spray.
Thank you to all, especially the recipient of the Byrna abuse. You deserve an award for "BRAVERY", lol. to advance this science! Very good data. It looks like the Byrna has ONLY LIMITED EFFECTIVENESS, and likely not to STOP a determined attacker. So in my view, not worth the cost, when compared to much less expensive pepper spray, dispensed in a "stream", which is more feasible inside the home and for outside mild wind conditions. In addition, something like easy access to a roll of quarters or a padlock in a sock, could be considered for "nonlethal" backup.
For someone expected to get shot with a Byrna and still fire some rounds, I appreciate the video. But, I would rather carry a Byrna that nothing at all. Let me add that why would I use my burner when in MOST cases all I need is to use a Byrna.
FOR REAL 🤣, alot of these motherfuckers play too many video games or watch too many movies or something.😂
They swear like they're gonna get hit on a professional level.😂
The Byrna LE will DEFINITELY stop ANY Thug, cracked out or not.
You motherfuckers aren't gonna be fighting Special Forces/Extensivelly Trained Men with that shit, so STOP it!🤣😂
Thank you for showing everything you did. I now know the byrna will not what I need it to.
You don’t get immune OC. You just know what to expect the next time. However, some people aren’t affected by OC as much as others. I’ve seen very feminine women function like they didn’t even get hit with OC, and I’ve seen tough guys appear to be affected worse than the average person.
It’s hard to predict efficiency, and if a person is determined then OC will only be an annoying obstacle. It can also take a minute to fully kick in or may not kick in at all until you attempt to wash it off with water, unlike a taser or a bullet.
As a retired LEO I would opine that if you intentionally aim for the face (eyes) and if you state as much to the responding authorities, Then you have crossed the line to deadly force. (Deadly force is force that can cause death or serious bodily harm) Hitting someone in the eye is serious bodily harm. That puts the defender in the legal framework as "ya shoulda just used a firearm then" For the same legal trouble it will be.
REALLY helpful. Thanks!
🤣….Lmao this guy when he took that nose bump he’s a trooper that’s for sure, thank you for your service sir !! 🤘🏾
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Love this video as I'm looking at non-lethal for home. I appreciate your real-world test, so to speak. One thought, now of course you are using this for self-defense and my thought is if someone is attacking and of course, the event is happening very quickly, my thought is I'm aiming for the head with the OC pellets. Because, while I'm wanting less lethal, if myself or family is under attack, all bets will be off and headshots are fair game.. Then you have the OC balls not only striking the head but probably dispersing right in the head area.. Am I correct in my thinking? I mean after all your friend is not going to be hitting you in the head in this demonstration.. Thanks
Would you try the test with different ammo? Such as the nylon, duke glass makers and aluminum rounds? Those all should hit harder than the kinetics used in this test
Excellent video with real-world testing. So far, I had greater expectations for this kind of weapon, so I appreciate you providing a reality check!
You're welcome, I'm glad it is useful content.
Very good demonstration
In my opinion pepper ball guns like the Byrna are better as offensive weapons like firing into a vehicle or small room to flush out or disable the opponents inside.
Thank you great video, yes Best Real world action. Now try the shotgun ammo and the BYRNA rifle please 🥺
Thank you! Yes, that would be a good one to do as well! I bet the Byrna rifle (M4) would stop him. Not sure we can convince him to take those shots though but one never knows. :) Nicole
I observed that when moving to a new location, you carry the firearm with the barrel pointed upward, holding it to the side of your head with your finger off the trigger. Could you please explain the reasoning behind this technique? I've seen other methods such as pointing the firearm downrange while running or adopting the sul position.
Yeah, whats up with that move?
THAT is what you got out of this video?
Thank you, sooo much. I have been wondering the same things you just demonstrated. I think I will stick to a firearms. I have had alot of different pains in my life. I believe this would royaly piss me off. I've been tased "training", CS "military", OS "Prison guard". Also sent this to Sean Hannity as he pushes this "toy" several times per show.
Ryan and I thought for sure Brian would not be able to do it and were very surprised he could. With that being said, we still have 3 Byrnas and we feel they definitely have a place (and I'm very happy to have them)...especially when living in a country where it is illegal to have firearms. - Nicole
Seems like a great less lethal option for people looking to not cause serious harm while also having some self defense capabilities, but not willing or able to use a firearm.
I realize a firearm is more effective at combat. Thats why we dont send troops in with pepper spray. This is really more of a better alternative to pepper spray than it is a replacement for long rifles...
Thanks for posting. Cheers, SV Good Karma as Grins
Awesome video!! Well done and thanks for making it
cheers, thanks for the support - R
What would a head shot with a Byrna do, that's the real question.
Exactly
Cuz the face is exactly where I'm aiming
I've seen video of a person shot in the face, peeled back their cheek!
Was that with the Byrna? @@scottmccardell5437
😂😂😂😂😂 well let’s say they would have to wear Huggies for at least a week because they would definitely 💩 themselves 😂😂😂😂😂😂❤
Should load up the Byrna rounds in a modern electronic marker like a Dye DSR+ shooting 18 a second