This is one of if not the most based discussion topic right now. Blend in, disposable weapons, disposable gear, disposable clothing, disposable comms, etc… Being able to change “who” you are in seconds.
@@elocsepins Don’t get butthurt. It’s reality of war/conflict. It’s not cheap. If you want to “participate” then you do what you can. If you can barely be “lethally poor” then cool, this isn’t context directly for you, but can be applied still. Some will have more capability than others. Some can help fund others that can’t fund themselves. When it comes down to it, instead of buying one chest rig for $275, you buy four Condor or surplus rigs for less than $200. Instead of buying 1 Daniel Defense AR, you buy 5 PSA ARs. Instead of buying $600 comms kit, buy $100 worth of Baofengs, and upgraded antennas with PTTs. Lots of cheap contingency kits, caches, spread out because chances are in the most probable scenarios we face, you will have to ditch the kit to blend it and save your life to fight another day. Lots of evidence in the last 100 years of insurgency and guerrilla warfare that support this.
@elocsepins Most insurgent weapons are stolen so probably not being paid for. Same with gear. When insurgents try to become a halfway standing army they start buying more gear rather than strategically transferring equipment to an alternate location.
If we are talking "Gray Man" apparel.... Walmart wrangler 5 pocket pants. Cheap, light, enough spandex to be flexible, and dry relatively quick compared to jeans. plain t shirts, no logos work boots, well broken in plaid patten long sleeve shirt... breaks the pattern up at distance Stay away from black coats/hats. Don't believe me, have your buddy walk across the town square and view with a scope. Dark colors contrast well and are more easily spotted. Wear 2 or more layers, be able to peel a layer off and change colors...ie... plaid shirt over gray t shirt....etc.
Love me some wal mart wranglers or dickies. If you were a semi organized partisan force brown or khaki work pants with a green button up or hoodie would make decent camo. I’m a big fan of flat earth tones anyway. The wrangler pocket tees are awesome. Even now I stay away from logos just because I don’t like wearing my views or some other dudes name.
@@rjh8395 I like the dickies skateboarding pants, they are a bit more expensive but last longer and are more durable. You can't get them at Walmart but if you have a local skate shop they most likely have them in stock.
@@pauliewalnuts5241 I was actually looking for a pair of those yesterday. Ended up with carpenters. Otherwise wrangler has some awesome light weight pants that are great for summer
One of the most sensible videos I’ve seen. About 8 + years ago I was introduced to you tube. I stumbled into Bushcraft videos which I really enjoyed because I grew up camping and hunting. Then stumbled into some prepper channels which I was first exposed to being prepared during the Cuban missile crisis. Then Y2K and started slowly increasing supplies and knowledge on potential possibilities. Now at 74, still needing to hone my skills more than ever, I can no longer run and gun, but am still at 50% of the two. As fitting in, in this area I feel a little left out without a tractor, a side by side, or a tractor. As for clothing, anything less than business casual is in style. Sometimes my situational awareness slips but quickly returns. Learning gardening and food preparation and continually trying to better home security. I’ve been through the Prepper channels and still have some favorites. There is always something to learn or refresh the memory bank. RLTW
I’m not “bugging out”. I’m staying put. I know every inch of my property. Caches. Cashes. Cashes. Having hidden caves on your land is a blessing! Know your home base!!
@@JMac85X I’ll be a problem! They better be able to find the entrance(s) to the caves on my property, know which one I went to and where I am in that cave.
Where I live the Police are only really protecting the criminals from the locals. It's a very nice place to live with very low crime and I moved here for that reason among others. 30,000 people, about 50 members of law enforcement, lots of trees and wildlife. Not very diverse, though. LOL.
Not true. Research Neighborhood Watch coordination with law enforcement. Many departments will support & appreciate your efforts so long as you’re trained and participate in some sort of “civilian” augmentation capacity. A good start is getting involved in your community’s C.E.R.T. Program and get certified. If your community’s emergency services and law enforcement don’t support such, you have the capability to initiate such programs as afforded by law. You just have to conduct a smidgen of due-diligence . Grunt Proof’s right; The Average American refuses to accept accountability nor actually craves craves independence and would rather complain about being forced into laziness rather than doing something about it.
Good point on the whistle. While working patrol and rolling into the local barrio, the gang members would whistle to signal we were around. Low tech but highly effective.
Dickies, Wrangler, and Carhartt all make good rugged work clothes in earth tones. Ive been in construction for 30 years and very rarely do i wear blue jeans.
I’ve been in a service technician in a skilled trades for 33 years. The Company I just started at is different to for the first time in my entire career issues blue jeans for the uniform.. in my AO these days work pants and high visibility shirt is low visibility worker gear . .
Certain things the military knows and does are good for us to learn as well, but we have to understand the fact that they have the entire defense budget at their disposal and a massive global network to support it. They're also doing different things than we are, they're occupying and controlling areas, special operations, peacekeeping operations, massive expendature of manpower and resources on an international scale, we're bleeding an invading force dry one cut at a time while still having to live our normal lives as best we can because we still have families to feed. We're doing different things and should probably be prepared, trained, and equipped differently than the military. No 10 round mag Fudd bs, but maybe a plate carrier and helmet with multicam fatigues would actually be more trouble than help if we ever needed to use the knowledge and equipment we have.
@@andycraig6905don’t disagree on the outcome, but do on the cause. We’re not going to see an invading force on mainland soil in our lifetimes. Terrorism, crazy people, and gang violence becoming widespread after a natural disaster or cultural uprising (see PDX in 2020) - these are all things we may face.
@@southtexasprepper6605 I promise, you're much more likely to live harassing a first world military and disappearing into the population than trying to destroy them in conventional open warfare
Yes you dont want to be looking like a combatant or a soldier in a grid down or invasion scenario. Running around with a plate carrier may get you in some deep doodoo.
Large trash bags will be a friend in this scenario. Been homeless in tuscon Arizona before and you had to basically be an insurgent to be homeless there and avoid the crazy and the cops. Especially if you intended to be armed with anything more than a pistol. Trash bag on your back wouldn't be out of the ordinary for the homeless and you can hide your Bushcraft gear... also great for river travel ect.
One thing I've noticed about contractor trash bags is that they are usually SCENTED with a horrible smell. I bought some going on a hunting trip once, thinking I'd take them with me in case I needed to carry meat, but they were too smelly. I have set a couple out in my shop for some months now and most of the smell is gone.
Camo Crocs, black calf socks, cutoff jeans,mesh half shirt, Sombrero and a Tiger stripe camo cape. WalMart bag full of extra magazines (double bagged ofcourse)
Great points. If there is SHTF, I see both. If the neighborhoods get together to protect each other, those patrolling and sitting at the barriers to the various streets may wear more imposing (tactical) clothing to let people know that they are ready and able to protect. If you are occupied or in enemy territory, then grayman makes more sense.
Thank you! I've thought this for year but thought I was the crazy one. What you said about the American working man is the best way to blend in is spot on. Our clothes are build for comfort and toughness
100% spot on. Blend in chameleon. All common sense. But most people now a days do not know that term. Thanks! Very well done. A thanks and a hat tip for your wisdom.
Good discussion. Depends where you are and what you're doing for sure. Low Profile/ typical civie wear with a little extra surprise package is not something to ignore.
great information. when i was a field archaeologist, i prepared for the worst field conditions all the time and needed only a fraction of the crap i carried, just in case. good stuff man, thank you.
Nutnfancy talked about this a long time ago. Majority of minutemen peppers etc will primarily be working to keep their neighborhood or their property(if rural) secured from civil unrest, riots and roaming gangs. IF crazy shit went down nationwide.
As a guy on a farm outside a blue town this is my main point of focus. My area will either be nuclear sponge or idiots from town escaping looking for food
@@brandonm6052one full season plus one half season to tie up a lot of the loose ends. The second season was a lot better writing wise, even though their explanation for the cause of the collapse was unrealistic.
I like your honesty and down to earth demeanor. I always prefer to be the grey man and hope I never need to use what minimal knowledge I've acquired over the years. The takeaway is to always blend in with your surroundings, evade and escape.
In shtf, i dont think people with good intentions will be roaming around, especially at night, once the initial storm hits, there wont be a "red dawn" run off in the hills type thing, leave your family behind etc etc, itll be purge type scenarios
One thing to keep in mind of is your bearing & the way you walk. You have no idea how many people ask if I’m a cop or retired military just because of the way I carry myself. Your clothes may not give you away, but your actions might.
So true. After 8 years in the military and 35 years in law enforcement and the fire service. People ask me all the time if I'm ex-military or ex-law enforcement. It's true, you acquire a certain bering after having served in these professions. The bad thing is that it is hard to change it.
Holy shit. I was a paramedic, an MP, an MPI Investogator, CID agent, Federal Law Enforcement Officer, DoD war zone counter terror, DoS PMCs for seven years in Iraq. I swear every women I meet immediately says to me "your a cop!" lol. Almost every time I pick up a chick they instantaneously know. I think these chicks are groupies and look for military or cops. Like how the fuck do they know. And I worked UC so I know what sticks out. But god damn these chicks just know.
Honestly if people are so worried about the phone issue they should bring a faraday bag or sleeve of some sort and ditch that whenever they suspect some potential heat
Faraday bags only protect your geolocation while in the bag. Take it out and it retroactively uses inertia, the point it went it the bag, and the point it came out, all to do the math and know where ya been.
@@lyfandeth This is why bluetooth encrypted comms are so damn expensive. Your radio is going to stop working. When military elements start using frequency blockers.
I've been working on this concept I call, Clandestine Carry. There will be tasks that require a level of discretion and quick action, that requires groups to blend in. What you carry then I feel is more important than what you'd carry as a full-fledged minuteman. We get that you need a rifle, plate carriers, TQ, radio, etc. How many times are you going to be doing a full assault op though? A lot of what I carry and gear towards is this Clandestine Carry concept. I dress like a hipster cos I live in Chicago. When I go to the rural areas, I wear flannel and ball caps. When I lived in the desert I wore sun shirts and hiking pants. You have to adapt not just your kit but yourself to the area. In all those areas I had full medical, a handgun, and occasionally a rifle or shotgun in an atypical carrying case. If people really think they're going to do work in the end times, train to do it in gym shorts, and watch how well you can scale to do a real operation with battle rattle
Medium small town here. Rural, surrounded by corn and soybeans. Nearest towns 7 miles, nearest hospital 30 or so. Median age in town mid thirties. You know how America has more guns than people? This town is part of the reason. And ammo stockpiles, I'm not the only person with ten thousand rounds plus on my block. Guys that practice shooting 2" targets at 800 yards, welders, heavy equipment operators, lots of working stiffs. People carry so much, not that it is needed, but that it is expected of us, we are a free people. And there's thousands of towns like this in middle America. No one is looking for zombies, for orcs. And even the occasional orc that visits town to see a friend in the apartment complex is told don't be a fool around here. I'm 67, walk over a thousand miles a year in this town with a big dog and a pack for his water and mine. And a few other things. Unmolested for thirty seven hundred miles now.
agreed about hte "worker" look, its never out of place and the clothes are tough enough to get you out of the shtf scenarios and/or blend in if you need to be a gray man
Their underwear is unreal. At deer camp, undies don’t get changed out like they do in town so Fruit of the Loom won’t cut it. Minus the smell, the Duluth underwear is as supportive as it was 3-4 days ago.
The scalps of my enemies and my tobacco sacks made out of their scrotums. 1970s _Woolrich_ brown/green plaid coat, brown corduroy bell bottom pants, dad's old 30-06, haversack with some ammo., Vienna Sausages, saltines, and thermos of dark roasted black coffee.
Yeah I got an old Sears Model 30-06 stashed in the woods in a nice waterproof case with some ammo for my Red Dawn rifle. I'll skip the scrotums, and stick with my overalls, but do grow my own tobacco!
I think you hit on something at the first of the video. I am a 52 year old dude who has had health issues (stage 3 cancer survivor among other things) and has no illusions about the physical shape I am in. I also live in rural East Tennessee and have never been in the military. If trouble came to my area I would certainly be willing to fight alongside my friends and neighbors but we would certainly be 'irregulars'. Further, why would I load up and leave my friends and family to go and fight for New York or California? Heck, I'm probably not even going to be all that motivated to go to the other end of the state and fight for Memphis. That is just the reality. Something else to consider is that we Americans often do, in daily life, identify with our state, region, etc. more than the country as a whole. Our Founders were the same way. They were often fighting for Virginia or Massachusetts, etc. The colonies may have been fighting for a common cause and there was the idea of 'join or die' but many were fighting for their homes, families, etc. Wheen you consider that the state of Texas is BIGGER than the country of Iraq (by quite a bit), the state of California is about the same size as Iraq and even my state of Tennessee is about 1/4 the size of the entire country of Iraq it begins to make sense that we, as irregulars, insurgents, etc. would identify with/fight for our area, state or maybe region of the country. As far as clothing, I am an office worker. I wear mostly Dockers (and similar) and polos to work. I don't wear jeans all that often even if I am not at work because I don't find them to be all that comfortable. I do wear cargo pants, sometimes but those are usually the Docker type, as well and that type of cargo pants/shorts isn't uncommon in my area. Flannel is pretty common here - probably because it is pretty inexpensive, comfortable and a flannel shirt or jacket over your regular clothes is often enough to keep you warm during the greatest part of our Winters. Carhartt, Dickies, etc. are common, as well.
This is the exact video that people need to watch. For so many years now people have been pushing towards being the grade a tactical operator with night vision and a $40,000 tactical loadout. Bro, it’s not going to be a situation where citizens are fighting each other, andbelieving our population. Your video is so spot on to exactly what would happen and what the common public would be doing.
50 years ago we were doing much of this in jungles that we were never in. The guys on the other side were poorly trained conscripts. They usually ran. This made them targets for gunfire and grenades. We wore blue jeans camo t shirts. We carried a button up shirt in ruck. Good video.
As an old man that can still function well, I'd trust my local Boy Scout troop for competent assistance before I'd ever rely on our local police. Great guys, just not very effective. When SHTF, real help isn't coming. Always be prepared.
Here in Texas it's tan/coyote work boots or some form of cowboy work boots like ariat or Justin. Faded worn blue jeans depending on age you can get away with overalls and not get noticed. Shirt range from tee shirts to button down depending on age. Flannel is never seen except by people not from here and you'll stick out like a sore thumb so avoid those here. Even black boots aren't very common. Go into any store that sells boots from a western outfitter to Walmart and look at all the work boots and coyote will dominate the shelves with just a few black or other colors. Hunting stores sell camo but those are usually more like snake or mud boots and only worn during deer season and you better be wearing full hunting camo otherwise you'll get odd looks. Hunting pattern shirts are common but not any form of military style camo again that'll get you noticed fast while a mossy oak camo shirt won't attract any attention no matter time of year. Like he said fit your area, it just so happens normal Texas hill country atire works in urban areas as well as out in ranch country.
As far as concealed I'd go hi-point, they're disgustingly heavy and very crude, but they hold up and if you lose it who cares! And for what they are they're accurate.
This is the best content. I agree with this message. if a person stands out as tactical, they are the first ones clipped in a bad situation. Blend in and look non aggressive.
Good informative video, I’m in Appalachia, hoodies are very commonplace where here. Open carry of guns and knife are common place, my preference is concealed. Also hunter camouflage is very popular among the population. Jeans and bibs are most common pants, shorts and t shirts in summer . Wearing a military field jacket or shirt is not uncommon. Because of the pockets I wear and old school OD green field jacket. Those were a big trend in the seventies.i guess 6 out of 10 people I see today will be wearing a hoodie, including myself . During the warmer months I wear a boonie hat and or a baseball type cap
Good topic. Gray Man Style to blend in with the crowd and environment is a proven way. Civilian stuff. There are two good books to learn this stuff: "Gray Man" and "Appear to Vanish" by Matthew Darmody. And it's not only about what to wear and what not to wear. It is also about how to move and how to behave, as well as of what and how to think. Because your thoughts also travel around, and as a gray man, you don't want to raise a bad feeling or suspicion. You want to not leave any impression, as you have never been there. Invisible, like the air.
That said sometimes grey man makes one a target. In these more peaceful times, the hint of a buddy under the jacket may cause pause. That said a problem I am in noticing more is group organized crime aka circling pack hunters. They will take anything on. The mask mandate media and members of governance have a lot to answer for by normalizing masks. Masks are a tool for criminals. And mask don't stop the spread of disease, it is a psyop for weak mind comforting and the inculcation of submissive behavior.
You must have this mindset as one of a plethora of tools in your toolbox. In a true SHTF scenario no LE or first responder agency will be showing up to work. If they do it will be for the first 24-72 hours. Think Kattina.
Hell , with the state of law enforcement in the US and the ( just following orders mentality) we are more likely to be attacked by our law enforcement than foreigners
One more,article of Clothing ,that all Americans have at lest one of that also since dawn of tme has been used under Denim jackets ..Denim blocks Wind,Is the All American Hoody,and we all have holes in our Hoodys.usually Hoodies have a Possum Pouch up front and thats where before putting Hoody away for Summer you put that Sock Hat,and and extra paie if Gloves so when you break it out it has ancillary cold weather articles.
As someone who works at the hospital.. concealing in scrubs is hard! 😅 I need to make a go bag for the trunk for a "Red Dawn" situation no matter how unlikely
Hey, us native Floridians can tell the tourists by their socks and tennis shoes. We wear our flip flops unless you’re in the panhandle then it’s boots. 😊
Something to bring up is "unconventional" uniform camo. Realtree Edge works lots of places. King's Desert Shadow isn't bad either. I've seen that one pretty popular in my surrounding area.
@jamesr792 But how many Americans are going to spend the money, or even have the money, to buy the high quality tops and bottoms? Probably not many. Realtree could work well for a "grey man" and uniform camo, depending on the situation. Look at how thermal and nvgs are being used in the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Some of those dude have one set for several personnel. And how effectively are they using it? Or what is the quality of the tool. Looks of things to consider.
@@aharris87 It’s certainly something to consider. As is what it looks like under thermal. There are always trade offs, we just have to do our best to consider as many eventualities as possible.
Thats why you cache all you stuff in the woods, and leave prefeably unseen, but if seen look normal, also dont all leave as a group but one at a time from different locations
I wear those flannel shirts all fall and winter. My wife hates them. She calls them hobo tactical.... and she says I look just like 9 out of 10 guys she sees every day. Well alrighty then. That's what I want.
well what you wear depends on what you are doing. Are you trying to not be noticed then dress like everyone else. If Im running a command center and we are in a defensive position I want to be able to identify everyone easily.
Regarding FR gloves, absolutely right. I was on an M-60 crew-serve team (forget Rambo) and I’ve seen first hand the barrels get HOT. We carried asbestos gloves, spare barrels and a spanner wrench (and lots and lots of ammo) on every trip to the “amusement park” lol
Shoot, where I live people wearing 5.11 type pants with molle packs is a dime a dozen. When it gets out of the norm is when they’re wearing full cammies. Carhart/columbia/work wear is big as well due to being largely blue collar here.
The answer is always “it depends.” I have regular clothes and I have other stuff. And bro, no rules during a civil fubar storm. Who knows what the rules of engagement will be.
@@c.rosstaylor1428 Bro, when the roundups start, because they will, y’all might want to rethink the possibilities of what we might be up against. We’re up against COMMUNISTS. Communists for goodness sake. They fight dirty AF.
I own 360 acres in the woods and tactical gear is a big plus. Lots of thorny bushes and chain sawing lots of wood requires the right gear. I like being a grunt in the woods.
I agree with you 💯. There’s going to be no kinetic fight other than sprinkled civil unrest around the country. The fight was already lost amongst our people. We cannot win anymore, we can only adapt to our never environment.
Converse Chucks, I’ve been saying for years…The original urban assault shoe…😅 Grew up wearing them in the 70’s and 80’s. Truly a very good versatile shoe. And stylish…
The Altama OTB shoes are really good. I wore them when I was roofing. They hold up great. They have good ankle support too. The upper part is much stiffer than Converse shoes. They don't breath well though. They would smell like dumpster juice after working in them all day.
@@michaelkraus4135 Vans Sk8 HI’s. You can get them in an MTE(?) version now with a reversed waffle sole, “comfy cush” insoles for more support and comfort, Gortex, Thinsulate, quick lacing…. Tons of options. It’s even an option in their Customizer now so you can build them however you want for a one-off pair.
Ive got this on lock! I pretend to be a worker every time I'm at work.
Lmao
Saaaamzies!
I see what you did there.
This was really funny! Well done 😂
Me too. I've been practicing working for years. I do so well, I just got a raise!
This is one of if not the most based discussion topic right now. Blend in, disposable weapons, disposable gear, disposable clothing, disposable comms, etc… Being able to change “who” you are in seconds.
Who is paying for this?
I'ma look like a homeless person
@@elocsepins Don’t get butthurt. It’s reality of war/conflict. It’s not cheap. If you want to “participate” then you do what you can. If you can barely be “lethally poor” then cool, this isn’t context directly for you, but can be applied still. Some will have more capability than others. Some can help fund others that can’t fund themselves. When it comes down to it, instead of buying one chest rig for $275, you buy four Condor or surplus rigs for less than $200. Instead of buying 1 Daniel Defense AR, you buy 5 PSA ARs. Instead of buying $600 comms kit, buy $100 worth of Baofengs, and upgraded antennas with PTTs. Lots of cheap contingency kits, caches, spread out because chances are in the most probable scenarios we face, you will have to ditch the kit to blend it and save your life to fight another day. Lots of evidence in the last 100 years of insurgency and guerrilla warfare that support this.
Tactical hobo is king.
@elocsepins
Most insurgent weapons are stolen so probably not being paid for. Same with gear. When insurgents try to become a halfway standing army they start buying more gear rather than strategically transferring equipment to an alternate location.
If we are talking "Gray Man" apparel....
Walmart wrangler 5 pocket pants. Cheap, light, enough spandex to be flexible, and dry relatively quick compared to jeans.
plain t shirts, no logos
work boots, well broken in
plaid patten long sleeve shirt... breaks the pattern up at distance
Stay away from black coats/hats. Don't believe me, have your buddy walk across the town square and view with a scope. Dark colors contrast well and are more easily spotted.
Wear 2 or more layers, be able to peel a layer off and change colors...ie... plaid shirt over gray t shirt....etc.
Love me some wal mart wranglers or dickies. If you were a semi organized partisan force brown or khaki work pants with a green button up or hoodie would make decent camo. I’m a big fan of flat earth tones anyway. The wrangler pocket tees are awesome. Even now I stay away from logos just because I don’t like wearing my views or some other dudes name.
@@rjh8395 I like the dickies skateboarding pants, they are a bit more expensive but last longer and are more durable. You can't get them at Walmart but if you have a local skate shop they most likely have them in stock.
@@pauliewalnuts5241 I was actually looking for a pair of those yesterday. Ended up with carpenters. Otherwise wrangler has some awesome light weight pants that are great for summer
If your t-shirt doesn't have pocket your not awesome says a guy in a cheap pocket t
Ill stick with dockers i stinking hate jeans, cant move worth a crap in them.
For us Floridians, cargo shorts, flip flops and long sleeve shirts with straw hat.
Gonna wear a gator ghillie and hide on gold courses and in retention ponds
Maybe some canvas slip-on shoes and a Guy Harvey t-shirt for more formal occasions like weddings or funerals as well. We gotta keep it classy!
@@flopus7Not to be contrarian but don't you think that orange and blue tone will stand out too much . . .
@@HerrTikTok oh I meant an actual gator
Hold the fort Sandalorians!
One of the most sensible videos I’ve seen.
About 8 + years ago I was introduced to you tube. I stumbled into
Bushcraft videos which I really enjoyed because I grew up camping and hunting.
Then stumbled into some prepper channels which I was first exposed to being prepared during the Cuban missile crisis. Then Y2K and started slowly increasing supplies and knowledge on potential possibilities.
Now at 74, still needing to hone my skills more than ever, I can no longer run and gun, but am still at 50% of the two. As fitting in, in this area I feel a little left out without a tractor, a side by side, or a tractor.
As for clothing, anything less than business casual is in style. Sometimes my situational awareness slips but quickly returns.
Learning gardening and food preparation and continually trying to better home security.
I’ve been through the Prepper channels and still have some favorites. There is always something to learn or refresh the memory bank.
RLTW
Agreed.
I’m not “bugging out”. I’m staying put. I know every inch of my property. Caches. Cashes. Cashes. Having hidden caves on your land is a blessing!
Know your home base!!
God bless KY🇺🇸
Refugees never fare too well.
Ill either successfully defend my family, or we will all meet our heavenly father. I don't see how people get so caught up in this shit
Unfortunately, if you're a problem, they'll just drone strike you from 10,000 ft.
@@JMac85X I’ll be a problem! They better be able to find the entrance(s) to the caves on my property, know which one I went to and where I am in that cave.
It's not that people are too lazy to police their areas. It's that IF they do that, they are the ones that the police force will arrest.
Where I live the Police are only really protecting the criminals from the locals. It's a very nice place to live with very low crime and I moved here for that reason among others. 30,000 people, about 50 members of law enforcement, lots of trees and wildlife. Not very diverse, though. LOL.
I think changes in policing are on the horizon, just check out the latest news on Pittsburg, PA.
@@EdwardMartinsPhotographyThat's why there's almost no crime, homogenous societies are peaceful one.
Not true.
Research Neighborhood Watch coordination with law enforcement.
Many departments will support & appreciate your efforts so long as you’re trained and participate in some sort of “civilian” augmentation capacity.
A good start is getting involved in your community’s C.E.R.T. Program and get certified.
If your community’s emergency services and law enforcement don’t support such, you have the capability to initiate such programs as afforded by law. You just have to conduct a smidgen of due-diligence .
Grunt Proof’s right; The Average American refuses to accept accountability nor actually craves craves independence and would rather complain about being forced into laziness rather than doing something about it.
@@meeshmeeshelle6326 Neighborhood watch is not people policing their own areas. They are not armed nor allowed to take action.
Good point on the whistle. While working patrol and rolling into the local barrio, the gang members would whistle to signal we were around. Low tech but highly effective.
I’m east European. I will be dressed in adidas from head to toe 😂😂😂
Is there anything else?🤔
Mag pouches packed with packets of mayonnaise.
😂😂😂
Like ALI G bro !!! Lol. Represent
Gopnik
Probably the best video. No bug out bug in tactical bs nothing. Just practical basics.
Bug-out bag is supposed to be practical.
Dickies, Wrangler, and Carhartt all make good rugged work clothes in earth tones. Ive been in construction for 30 years and very rarely do i wear blue jeans.
You need the thick older stuff. The new catharts are garbage
@@KrisPage3
I agree, I'll only buy the double front pants in Carhartt. Riggs by Wrangler Ranger pants are good.
I’ve been in a service technician in a skilled trades for 33 years. The Company I just started at is different to for the first time in my entire career issues blue jeans for the uniform.. in my AO these days work pants and high visibility shirt is low visibility worker gear .
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The more I get into the tactical world, the more I realize that I better stick with civilian apparel because I'm a freaking civilian!
Certain things the military knows and does are good for us to learn as well, but we have to understand the fact that they have the entire defense budget at their disposal and a massive global network to support it. They're also doing different things than we are, they're occupying and controlling areas, special operations, peacekeeping operations, massive expendature of manpower and resources on an international scale, we're bleeding an invading force dry one cut at a time while still having to live our normal lives as best we can because we still have families to feed. We're doing different things and should probably be prepared, trained, and equipped differently than the military. No 10 round mag Fudd bs, but maybe a plate carrier and helmet with multicam fatigues would actually be more trouble than help if we ever needed to use the knowledge and equipment we have.
@@andycraig6905don’t disagree on the outcome, but do on the cause. We’re not going to see an invading force on mainland soil in our lifetimes. Terrorism, crazy people, and gang violence becoming widespread after a natural disaster or cultural uprising (see PDX in 2020) - these are all things we may face.
@@andycraig6905 yep, exactly.
@@southtexasprepper6605 I promise, you're much more likely to live harassing a first world military and disappearing into the population than trying to destroy them in conventional open warfare
Yes you dont want to be looking like a combatant or a soldier in a grid down or invasion scenario. Running around with a plate carrier may get you in some deep doodoo.
Thank you for this, we could definitely benefit from a “gray man” series.
Large trash bags will be a friend in this scenario. Been homeless in tuscon Arizona before and you had to basically be an insurgent to be homeless there and avoid the crazy and the cops. Especially if you intended to be armed with anything more than a pistol. Trash bag on your back wouldn't be out of the ordinary for the homeless and you can hide your Bushcraft gear... also great for river travel ect.
I lived in a car in tuscon and never had issues at all
Same worked for me during hurricane Katrina disaster
One thing I've noticed about contractor trash bags is that they are usually SCENTED with a horrible smell. I bought some going on a hunting trip once, thinking I'd take them with me in case I needed to carry meat, but they were too smelly. I have set a couple out in my shop for some months now and most of the smell is gone.
Facts
China spy here watching thanks , now I know what to look for
Camo Crocs, black calf socks, cutoff jeans,mesh half shirt, Sombrero and a Tiger stripe camo cape. WalMart bag full of extra magazines (double bagged ofcourse)
Hilarious!
@@jasonbailey9302 got the old green green but carrying blades hidden in the woods
Someone else finally gets it. So tired of the tactical bros & gravy seals. The most badass dudes are the ones you never suspected.
@@BushCampGhost Norman Hathcock 120 lb. Vietnam Sniper Badass ...
@@BushCampGhost meal team 6 going to mc donalds. Over and out!!!
Norman?
Great points. If there is SHTF, I see both. If the neighborhoods get together to protect each other, those patrolling and sitting at the barriers to the various streets may wear more imposing (tactical) clothing to let people know that they are ready and able to protect. If you are occupied or in enemy territory, then grayman makes more sense.
Thank you! I've thought this for year but thought I was the crazy one.
What you said about the American working man is the best way to blend in is spot on. Our clothes are build for comfort and toughness
Amen! I've been preaching just exactly this and I wasn't even any kind of "operator" when I served. Good vid.
100% spot on. Blend in chameleon. All common sense. But most people now a days do not know that term. Thanks! Very well done. A thanks and a hat tip for your wisdom.
Good discussion. Depends where you are and what you're doing for sure. Low Profile/ typical civie wear with a little extra surprise package is not something to ignore.
I love your blend of videos that cover the vast differences between being a partisan and being a minuteman.
great information. when i was a field archaeologist, i prepared for the worst field conditions all the time and needed only a fraction of the crap i carried, just in case. good stuff man, thank you.
A lot of robbers will wear bright colored sports team gear, then ditch it and have darker tones underneath so they don't match the description.
Biggest lesson to remember is that you are always being watched in one manner or another.
Nutnfancy talked about this a long time ago. Majority of minutemen peppers etc will primarily be working to keep their neighborhood or their property(if rural) secured from civil unrest, riots and roaming gangs. IF crazy shit went down nationwide.
Nutn has always been ahead of the game
As a guy on a farm outside a blue town this is my main point of focus. My area will either be nuclear sponge or idiots from town escaping looking for food
@@brandonm6052 Old show on Netflix called Jericho portrayed this. Most of the show was town vs town.
@@rtek777 it's been a while but me and my wife watched that show, so sad it was only what, 1 season
@@brandonm6052one full season plus one half season to tie up a lot of the loose ends. The second season was a lot better writing wise, even though their explanation for the cause of the collapse was unrealistic.
I like your honesty and down to earth demeanor.
I always prefer to be the grey man and hope I never need to use what minimal knowledge I've acquired over the years. The takeaway is to always blend in with your surroundings, evade and escape.
In shtf, i dont think people with good intentions will be roaming around, especially at night, once the initial storm hits, there wont be a "red dawn" run off in the hills type thing, leave your family behind etc etc, itll be purge type scenarios
Unless you have a good place to go, why go out at all, that's asking for trouble, you should avoid conflict at all costs
One thing to keep in mind of is your bearing & the way you walk. You have no idea how many people ask if I’m a cop or retired military just because of the way I carry myself. Your clothes may not give you away, but your actions might.
Good point
Excellent point. Study Justin Trudeau’s mannerisms and you won’t ever be approached!
So true. After 8 years in the military and 35 years in law enforcement and the fire service. People ask me all the time if I'm ex-military or ex-law enforcement. It's true, you acquire a certain bering after having served in these professions. The bad thing is that it is hard to change it.
Holy shit. I was a paramedic, an MP, an MPI Investogator, CID agent, Federal Law Enforcement Officer, DoD war zone counter terror, DoS PMCs for seven years in Iraq. I swear every women I meet immediately says to me "your a cop!" lol. Almost every time I pick up a chick they instantaneously know. I think these chicks are groupies and look for military or cops. Like how the fuck do they know. And I worked UC so I know what sticks out. But god damn these chicks just know.
Very very good point.
Love the channel. I’m just a regular guy who’s trying to be prepared for the worst while living my best life. Keep up the good content.
I appreciate your realism. Nothing wrong with being prepared for a situation you feel is likely, but be real about it.
Honestly if people are so worried about the phone issue they should bring a faraday bag or sleeve of some sort and ditch that whenever they suspect some potential heat
Faraday bags only protect your geolocation while in the bag. Take it out and it retroactively uses inertia, the point it went it the bag, and the point it came out, all to do the math and know where ya been.
Never dump a radio, until you have done a factory reset (to clear your frequencies) and smashed it as insurance. Same goes for a 🎉.
Don’t use a programmed radio in a tactical situation
@@BAW310that's not reasonable. Rolling frequencies regularly and after any incident is the only way. On the fly programming isn't going to work.
@@lyfandeth
This is why bluetooth encrypted comms are so damn expensive.
Your radio is going to stop working. When military elements start using frequency blockers.
@c-w-h some of us Mexican guys have those too.
@@renatoruiz8534what is cwh? Help me out Rena. Thanks
Wow this quote needs to be ingrained in our society
“If this rubs people the wrong way, good. It means you’re thinking”
I've been working on this concept I call, Clandestine Carry. There will be tasks that require a level of discretion and quick action, that requires groups to blend in. What you carry then I feel is more important than what you'd carry as a full-fledged minuteman. We get that you need a rifle, plate carriers, TQ, radio, etc. How many times are you going to be doing a full assault op though?
A lot of what I carry and gear towards is this Clandestine Carry concept. I dress like a hipster cos I live in Chicago. When I go to the rural areas, I wear flannel and ball caps. When I lived in the desert I wore sun shirts and hiking pants. You have to adapt not just your kit but yourself to the area. In all those areas I had full medical, a handgun, and occasionally a rifle or shotgun in an atypical carrying case. If people really think they're going to do work in the end times, train to do it in gym shorts, and watch how well you can scale to do a real operation with battle rattle
Medium small town here. Rural, surrounded by corn and soybeans. Nearest towns 7 miles, nearest hospital 30 or so. Median age in town mid thirties. You know how America has more guns than people? This town is part of the reason. And ammo stockpiles, I'm not the only person with ten thousand rounds plus on my block. Guys that practice shooting 2" targets at 800 yards, welders, heavy equipment operators, lots of working stiffs. People carry so much, not that it is needed, but that it is expected of us, we are a free people. And there's thousands of towns like this in middle America. No one is looking for zombies, for orcs. And even the occasional orc that visits town to see a friend in the apartment complex is told don't be a fool around here.
I'm 67, walk over a thousand miles a year in this town with a big dog and a pack for his water and mine. And a few other things. Unmolested for thirty seven hundred miles now.
agreed about hte "worker" look, its never out of place and the clothes are tough enough to get you out of the shtf scenarios and/or blend in if you need to be a gray man
Because everyone in the Pacific Northwest loves flannels, I now wear flannel's pretty regularly just so that I can blend it in my daily life
Here in Appalachia, we wear flannels every day that ends w “Y”.
@@Blastogysame! Kentuckian here that's always in flannel if not wearing hunting camo or something more flame retardant.
Earth-tone flannels work just as well as any camo and can be layered with an active wear hoodie underneath.
@@TannerSwizel heck yea!
hello from Spokane
This is one of my new favorite channels, thank you for the effort, it’s great to hear “real” used in this conversation.
This is the most practical view I have watched in two years
Some of the most solid advice Ive seen on PooTube. Stay unseen and remain lethal.
I got the same flannel in my truck stays in my truck. Saved me many times. Once I got Duluth pants. I've never worn Jean's again.
100% - Duluth firehose pants are tougher than heck. They’re my go to for tough jobs like running fence or roofing.
Their underwear is unreal. At deer camp, undies don’t get changed out like they do in town so Fruit of the Loom won’t cut it. Minus the smell, the Duluth underwear is as supportive as it was 3-4 days ago.
@@f-150yeti2- wait until you try merino wool underoos - they naturally fight stink and wick moisture. They are a lifesaver in elk camp.
@f-150yeti2, Merino wool fixes most of the smell. Naturally anti microbial. Best next to skin layer available.
My super power is pretending I’m a worker at work.
@@TeamFish15 😂
The scalps of my enemies and my tobacco sacks made out of their scrotums. 1970s _Woolrich_ brown/green plaid coat, brown corduroy bell bottom pants, dad's old 30-06, haversack with some ammo., Vienna Sausages, saltines, and thermos of dark roasted black coffee.
With oat milk creamer?
Cornholio bungholio.
.30-06? Garand M1?
So intense
Yeah I got an old Sears Model 30-06 stashed in the woods in a nice waterproof case with some ammo for my Red Dawn rifle. I'll skip the scrotums, and stick with my overalls, but do grow my own tobacco!
This is my style. Thanks for the confirmation bias. I'll walk around this war like it's a Pearl Jam concert.
Considering what a fight on our own soil may look like, being the gray man is probably the number one thing that is going to keep us alive.
Grey man 101....
Indeed
Heck you may blend in better now with some wild pink camo. People are damn nuts now
😂😂😂😂😂 YOU EITHER KNOW OR YOU DON'T KNOW
Carhart and aviators screams “I have a gun”
I think you hit on something at the first of the video. I am a 52 year old dude who has had health issues (stage 3 cancer survivor among other things) and has no illusions about the physical shape I am in. I also live in rural East Tennessee and have never been in the military. If trouble came to my area I would certainly be willing to fight alongside my friends and neighbors but we would certainly be 'irregulars'. Further, why would I load up and leave my friends and family to go and fight for New York or California? Heck, I'm probably not even going to be all that motivated to go to the other end of the state and fight for Memphis. That is just the reality.
Something else to consider is that we Americans often do, in daily life, identify with our state, region, etc. more than the country as a whole. Our Founders were the same way. They were often fighting for Virginia or Massachusetts, etc. The colonies may have been fighting for a common cause and there was the idea of 'join or die' but many were fighting for their homes, families, etc. Wheen you consider that the state of Texas is BIGGER than the country of Iraq (by quite a bit), the state of California is about the same size as Iraq and even my state of Tennessee is about 1/4 the size of the entire country of Iraq it begins to make sense that we, as irregulars, insurgents, etc. would identify with/fight for our area, state or maybe region of the country.
As far as clothing, I am an office worker. I wear mostly Dockers (and similar) and polos to work. I don't wear jeans all that often even if I am not at work because I don't find them to be all that comfortable. I do wear cargo pants, sometimes but those are usually the Docker type, as well and that type of cargo pants/shorts isn't uncommon in my area. Flannel is pretty common here - probably because it is pretty inexpensive, comfortable and a flannel shirt or jacket over your regular clothes is often enough to keep you warm during the greatest part of our Winters. Carhartt, Dickies, etc. are common, as well.
"Lack of a signature, IS a signature in itself"
Looking like a fed boi undercover 🥸 the glasses are a dead giveaway
60y old in Florida! White NBs are my go to. 😂
Thanks Randal. This is my philosophy. Thanks for sharing your experience and ideas.
Ahh, Common Sense is back in Fashion Again !! Love the vids.
This is truth. Stopped at fast food joint with tactical pants and boots after range day and got looks IN ALABAMA!!! Lesson learned.
Weird, in SC people just think you were hunting.
You should quit going to that hippie ass fast food place and find someplace better and more Merican.
This is the exact video that people need to watch. For so many years now people have been pushing towards being the grade a tactical operator with night vision and a $40,000 tactical loadout. Bro, it’s not going to be a situation where citizens are fighting each other, andbelieving our population. Your video is so spot on to exactly what would happen and what the common public would be doing.
50 years ago we were doing much of this in jungles that we were never in. The guys on the other side were poorly trained conscripts. They usually ran. This made them targets for gunfire and grenades. We wore blue jeans camo t shirts. We carried a button up shirt in ruck. Good video.
Tacticool Bushcrafter😂😂😂😂
Spot on
It’s refreshing to see some intelligence on YT. Well done.
As an old man that can still function well, I'd trust my local Boy Scout troop for competent assistance before I'd ever rely on our local police. Great guys, just not very effective. When SHTF, real help isn't coming. Always be prepared.
Here in Texas it's tan/coyote work boots or some form of cowboy work boots like ariat or Justin. Faded worn blue jeans depending on age you can get away with overalls and not get noticed. Shirt range from tee shirts to button down depending on age.
Flannel is never seen except by people not from here and you'll stick out like a sore thumb so avoid those here. Even black boots aren't very common.
Go into any store that sells boots from a western outfitter to Walmart and look at all the work boots and coyote will dominate the shelves with just a few black or other colors. Hunting stores sell camo but those are usually more like snake or mud boots and only worn during deer season and you better be wearing full hunting camo otherwise you'll get odd looks.
Hunting pattern shirts are common but not any form of military style camo again that'll get you noticed fast while a mossy oak camo shirt won't attract any attention no matter time of year.
Like he said fit your area, it just so happens normal Texas hill country atire works in urban areas as well as out in ranch country.
@@JamesSmullins old blk an green at the boot all the way to Alabama
@@JamesSmullins check out salvation army
Stretchy Jeans from Walmart are the most perfect and comfortable pants in the world! Full range of motion damn good on Rucks!
I kept all my M81, and collected plenty more over the years.
I've also made sure I have plenty of normal clothes too.
"But what is normal?"
@@francisebbecke2727 lime green skinny jeans, hot pink t-shirts,
Where I live this is pretty much daily wear for a lot of guys….
What an incredible perspective I want to definitely start prepping gray man, equipment, and disposable equipment
As far as concealed I'd go hi-point, they're disgustingly heavy and very crude, but they hold up and if you lose it who cares! And for what they are they're accurate.
This is the only non delusional UA-cam channel in this guntuber/prepper category. Good advice bro
Ok after watching this I know that I can continue wearing pajamas to Walmart, in the Florida panhandle tradition.
This is the best content. I agree with this message. if a person stands out as tactical, they are the first ones clipped in a bad situation. Blend in and look non aggressive.
Good informative video, I’m in Appalachia, hoodies are very commonplace where here. Open carry of guns and knife are common place, my preference is concealed. Also hunter camouflage is very popular among the population. Jeans and bibs are most common pants, shorts and t shirts in summer . Wearing a military field jacket or shirt is not uncommon. Because of the pockets I wear and old school OD green field jacket. Those were a big trend in the seventies.i guess 6 out of 10 people I see today will be wearing a hoodie, including myself . During the warmer months I wear a boonie hat and or a baseball type cap
Jeans can suck in very cold or cold and wet winters in Iowa and Minnesota.
and Buffalo Rochester
Good topic. Gray Man Style to blend in with the crowd and environment is a proven way. Civilian stuff. There are two good books to learn this stuff: "Gray Man" and "Appear to Vanish" by Matthew Darmody. And it's not only about what to wear and what not to wear. It is also about how to move and how to behave, as well as of what and how to think. Because your thoughts also travel around, and as a gray man, you don't want to raise a bad feeling or suspicion. You want to not leave any impression, as you have never been there. Invisible, like the air.
That said sometimes grey man makes one a target. In these more peaceful times, the hint of a buddy under the jacket may cause pause. That said a problem I am in noticing more is group organized crime aka circling pack hunters. They will take anything on. The mask mandate media and members of governance have a lot to answer for by normalizing masks. Masks are a tool for criminals. And mask don't stop the spread of disease, it is a psyop for weak mind comforting and the inculcation of submissive behavior.
Dermody
Definitely spot on. Tactical dressed guys are the first shot. Blend in, fade away.
I found the Falljaven waxing bars dry clear on cotton if you want to add some water resistance to your Carharts or denim.
Thank you for this video. You offer excellent insights into several aspects of the challenges facing our Nation today.
Thrift stores are a good source for working clothes that are already broken in and show wear.
Jungle boots… seriously underrated.
You must have this mindset as one of a plethora of tools in your toolbox. In a true SHTF scenario no LE or first responder agency will be showing up to work. If they do it will be for the first 24-72 hours. Think Kattina.
Hell , with the state of law enforcement in the US and the ( just following orders mentality) we are more likely to be attacked by our law enforcement than foreigners
Bro maxed out his character stats lol
@@NyetNyetNyet it's an asexual flag
Hate to break it to you but humans are not capable of asexual reproduction. Come back to reality my friend. We miss you.
One more,article of Clothing ,that all Americans have at lest one of that also since dawn of tme has been used under Denim jackets ..Denim blocks Wind,Is the All American Hoody,and we all have holes in our Hoodys.usually Hoodies have a Possum Pouch up front and thats where before putting Hoody away for Summer you put that Sock Hat,and and extra paie if Gloves so when you break it out it has ancillary cold weather articles.
A hoody is like having a pony tail. Anyone behind you can whip you around by that.
My casual dress is as Pastor with a cigar hanging of my lip..works for me
As someone who works at the hospital.. concealing in scrubs is hard! 😅
I need to make a go bag for the trunk for a "Red Dawn" situation no matter how unlikely
I enjoy these talks. Much is learned each time. Thank you !
Black makes you stand out
And it's hot in the sun.
Hey, us native Floridians can tell the tourists by their socks and tennis shoes. We wear our flip flops unless you’re in the panhandle then it’s boots. 😊
Something to bring up is "unconventional" uniform camo. Realtree Edge works lots of places. King's Desert Shadow isn't bad either. I've seen that one pretty popular in my surrounding area.
The only thing to consider is what those look like under night vision or thermal…because the enemy WILL have both of those things.
@jamesr792 But how many Americans are going to spend the money, or even have the money, to buy the high quality tops and bottoms? Probably not many. Realtree could work well for a "grey man" and uniform camo, depending on the situation. Look at how thermal and nvgs are being used in the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Some of those dude have one set for several personnel. And how effectively are they using it? Or what is the quality of the tool. Looks of things to consider.
@@aharris87 It’s certainly something to consider. As is what it looks like under thermal. There are always trade offs, we just have to do our best to consider as many eventualities as possible.
Thats why you cache all you stuff in the woods, and leave prefeably unseen, but if seen look normal, also dont all leave as a group but one at a time from different locations
I will be dripped head to toe in woodland but you do you.
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bucket hat and all
If I'm in the woods woodland is the goto, if I'm going to be in a suburban area, then I will wear what is expected there.
🫵🏽😂🤣🤣🤣….Target! 🎯
@@jamesjameason8348 ur gonna look schizo shooting all the trees around you wondering where we are lmao
I have a Daniel Boone outfit. Raccoon Hat, Mocassin boots, Indian leather jacket, and a CZ SCORPION !!
I wear those flannel shirts all fall and winter. My wife hates them. She calls them hobo tactical.... and she says I look just like 9 out of 10 guys she sees every day. Well alrighty then. That's what I want.
This is the most based prepper, shtf vid i have watched in ages. Acres of common sense advice.
well what you wear depends on what you are doing. Are you trying to not be noticed then dress like everyone else. If Im running a command center and we are in a defensive position I want to be able to identify everyone easily.
If the insurgencies and revolution taught us anything, it’s to blend in. You can’t fight what you can’t see.
Regarding FR gloves, absolutely right.
I was on an M-60 crew-serve team (forget Rambo) and I’ve seen first hand the barrels get HOT. We carried asbestos gloves, spare barrels and a spanner wrench (and lots and lots of ammo) on every trip to the “amusement park” lol
Shoot, where I live people wearing 5.11 type pants with molle packs is a dime a dozen. When it gets out of the norm is when they’re wearing full cammies. Carhart/columbia/work wear is big as well due to being largely blue collar here.
I am so glad I clicked on your channel!!! Straight up!!
The answer is always “it depends.” I have regular clothes and I have other stuff. And bro, no rules during a civil fubar storm. Who knows what the rules of engagement will be.
I came here to say just this☝️
Anyone who thinks the same consideration will be given to "rules" has got another think coming
@@c.rosstaylor1428 Bro, when the roundups start, because they will, y’all might want to rethink the possibilities of what we might be up against. We’re up against COMMUNISTS. Communists for goodness sake. They fight dirty AF.
I own 360 acres in the woods and tactical gear is a big plus. Lots of thorny bushes and chain sawing lots of wood requires the right gear. I like being a grunt in the woods.
I agree with you 💯. There’s going to be no kinetic fight other than sprinkled civil unrest around the country. The fight was already lost amongst our people. We cannot win anymore, we can only adapt to our never environment.
Converse Chucks, I’ve been saying for years…The original urban assault shoe…😅
Grew up wearing them in the 70’s and 80’s. Truly a very good versatile shoe. And stylish…
I wore them through my teens and 20's, and it wasn't till my last pair that it occured to me to use insoles. Total gamechanger.
Dang!!! Wish i would have thought about drop in insoles @deaconblooze1
The Altama OTB shoes are really good. I wore them when I was roofing. They hold up great. They have good ankle support too. The upper part is much stiffer than Converse shoes.
They don't breath well though. They would smell like dumpster juice after working in them all day.
I wore then for several & they might FEEL comfortable ,they are TERRIBLE FOR ''LATERAL SUPPORT'' ! FLIMSY CANVAS.
@@michaelkraus4135 Vans Sk8 HI’s. You can get them in an MTE(?) version now with a reversed waffle sole, “comfy cush” insoles for more support and comfort, Gortex, Thinsulate, quick lacing…. Tons of options. It’s even an option in their Customizer now so you can build them however you want for a one-off pair.
I’ve got all my stuff from TEMU so it does not matter if I have to part with them. Disposable is the key.
WOLVERINES!!
Dude, you rock. 😂 Glad someone is joining us in reality land. Let's get back to work & build some shit!