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ua-cam.com/video/Z4NsMiOMmCY/v-deo.html . Dr. Sofia P. Ochoa. William C. Roberts, M.D.
ua-cam.com/video/XmXynDLkbXY/v-deo.html ‘Cholesterol can only be gotten from animal-based foods.’ ..
... Murder is murder. Killing is killing. Holocaust is Holocaust. No matter WHAT !!!!!! You have to pay other people !! Overa 5 minute frigging hamburger etc !!!! Don’t do it with a cute little dog. 🤗🐶🤥. CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!!!!!
I was a hypocrite. Big time !!! Now I’m vegan. I don’t hurt animals !!!! I’m bigger and stronger and fitter on a plant based diet. Peer reviewed science !!! Cutting down the rainforest over a frigging hamburger etc !!!! Amazon destruction 😈🔴🤯 !!! ua-cam.com/video/ANMNpJsbqnY/v-deo.html ..
👇👇. ‘Smells baaad’. 6 hours !!!! 🔴🦌. 5 days or more sitting inside your stomach puuuu-trifying !!! No fibre if you eat animals in their secretions !!! Timelapse. 👇👇 .... 🤢🤮.. That’s why I am vegan !!!! Your teeth or flat 😬. And your stomach is very very long, “combined length of the small and large intestines is at least 15 ft in length”. We are herbivores. The ape family. ✅❤️😬💪🦍 Gorillas never ever eat animals, they are huge !!! 98.6% the same as us !!! And I’ve gotten bigger and stronger and fitter on a plant based diet. Scientific fact !!!! Fat deposits clog the arteries, eating animals and their secretions. Deodorant mask the symptoms but the shoes and socks and armpits.. 🍳🍖🍔...🦠🧟♂️👕🧦🥾🤮
👆👆🤮🦠🍖🔴....
.. HitIer and StaIin and PoI Pot and Putin, were KiiiiIIing innocent souls. BIuuudgeoned to death... 👈 Hint hint 🤥🦠🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a frigging 5 minute burger et cetera !!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!! What a world we live in !!!!! Sick !!!! 🔴
AT LEAST the mediator did an admiral job giving Ed a chance to speak.
honestly very surprised considering it was GB News of all things!
Agreed mate first time in a vegan tv debate the host doesn't choose sides with the meat eaters. The host did a great job 😁
@@christyguy59 This Channel has Zero content, so is a Bot!
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I even think the host might even consider trying veganism XD
Ed coming in with class, facts and eloquence.. And then they bring in some guy from down the pub, with child-level reasoning, to debate him… hopefully this gives a clear picture to people who probably has the better morals.
@rambunctiousvegetable To be fair though, many meat eaters are quite childish and illogical to begin with.
As a vegan (and Ed fan) I don't think it's helpful to conclude one's morality can be determined by their eloquence or whether they are regularly at the pub! And slightly besides the point because I'm sure Ed way would say most humans who eat meat can and do have good morals (much like himself when he used to eat meat).
@@dawnshimmerglow2259 the world was built by meat eaters. Come to think of it, everything you own or drive or live in was designed and built by meat eaters. Astronauts are meat eaters..
@@happyapple4269 Also the world was built by assasins, megalomaniacs, racists, and so much more. Is it worth continuing to encourage such views?
Yeah his argument was basically, "might is right"
Ed: I am not saying we have to consider nonhuman animal lives equal to human ones to not kill them
MeatHead: I will never understand this argument that animal lives are equal to human lives
Ed deserves a medal for his patience.
Yeah, that blows my mind, they don't want to listen
Yep, flew over his head. Always skew the argument.
@Billy Barry He´s not comparing animals and humans. He´s is comparing animals and pets, and saying that their suffering is the same. He never even talked about human suffering, so I don´t know where you get the idea that he is comparing it to animal suffering.
@Billy Barry After I read your comment I was a little confused, so I double checked and he actually didn´t in this interview, but yeah, maybe he did in the past although I don´t know if he still stands by that comparison. But in the end it doesn´t matter which suffering you care about more because Veganism tries to reduce all suffering anyways.
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5:07 "We don't have to view non-human animals as being the same as human animals"
6:07 "You'll never get me to accept that an animal's life is worth the same as a human's life"
Ah, the "Lalala, I'm not listening" argument, truly amazing debate... 🤦♂
This needs to be pinned.
"their right to life transcends the reason we used to exploit them"
if we have a choice, there is no need to kill any living being
Yap, that Chris guy missed the argument and just showed himself to be a meat-head.
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I hear this argument a lot actually from vegans tbh. For example, do you think mocking people will make them more or less open to your perspective? Or are you just circle jerking yourself off because you feel morally superior to everyone and entitled to treat them like shit if they're not at "your level", and what does that say about you? Inb4 no response to my question because you're not willing to listen or reflect on the impact of your own views and actions just like this non-vegan man wasn't either.
Chris: I don't eat veal and fois gras as it's a cruel and unnecessary luxury.
Also Chris: meat and dairy are not unnecessary as we should be entitled to luxuries.
And also says “ everybody dies and a bullet in the head is painless “ uauuu how so called humans can be that ignorant, selfish and evil!?
@@jayaz9113 Is that statement not true?
Are there immortal people and can you really feel the pain of a bullet before it kills you?
@@Cowz19999 I think the point is that it is not at all a reasonable argument for eating animals. It is not factually incorrrect, but it is irrelevant to the question of whether killing animals is in fact moral. You can kill humans without inflicting any pain at all, yet most people would still consider it immoral to do so, since you would be ending a human life early. The same applies to animals if you at all consider them to have inherent value.
@@dig8634 He is calling the statement ignorant but is factually correct.
"The same applies to animals if you at all consider them to have inherent value."
And that's where most people differ from vegans. They make a distinction between "food animals" and humans.
@@Cowz19999 You can be ignorant and still be factually correct. In this instance he is ignorant of the implications behind his argument, and also how most people would find that argument entirely unconvincing.
And yes, most people make a distinction between other animals and humans, I do too. Earthling Ed does too. You can't have paid much attention if you still don't realize this, because he literally says so.
They can have inherent value and not be equal to humans. Most people do think animals have inherent value, just not as much as humans do.
You just have to think they are worth more than taste pleasure, and I think most people actually believe this, they just haven't faced that reality, and choose to be ignorant about the realities of food production
Once again Ed proving that he is superhuman in his ability to stay calm in the face of obnoxious ignorance.
I hope Eds calm is not building up to some sort of explosion in the same way that Flanders almost exploded in the Simpsons while trying not to say his catchphrase for some time...
@Happy Carnivore People like you always talk about choice but don’t allow animals any choice. Just one of the many hypocrisies. If you admitted you were animal abusers that engaged in animal cruelty for your own selfish pleasure I would accept that but you don’t and start talking about cats, dogs and welfare standards. Thankfully Veganism is growing and one day you won’t have a ‘choice’ whether to be an animal abuser.
Choosing for another to die for your whims and then claiming it is YOUR choice? That only applies when your choice has no consequences for others. Morality is not that difficult.
@Happy Carnivore Therefore animals are not morally accountable for their actions and do not have to be vegan to be moral. You are the one not engaging with arguments used against you and are just spouting tired old debunked drivel. Turn on your brain!
@Happy Carnivore no but you will be fined and jailed, just like abusers of pets are now. Get used to a less hypocritical world while you can. Hypocrisy has no future in any functioning world.
The minute Chris started speaking i knew Ed would "veganism 101" him in the face.
HAHAH YES!!
Yeah with fundamentally flawed arguments of Ed lol 😂
Hit 'em with that compassion IN THE FACE!
@@bffhbcvdhhb5396 "lol laugh emoji... circle of life... but bacon... take that vegoons!" -- carnist
@@lealea8055 yeah take some Omega 3
Earthling Ed doesn’t just teach me about veganism. He also teaches me patience and how to come about things with compassion rather than condemnation.
I completely agree. Listening to him helps me to formulate reasonable responses, and whilst it's a difficult issue to remain calm about, listen and respond without letting emotion take over
100%
@Happy Carnivore Here's your attention seeking response
That's mainly why I watch him. I don't really care about going vegan but I like the debate style.
SO TRUE
Ed: "The question we need to consider is whether the life of an animal is worth less than the taste pleasure we get from harming them"
This schmuck: "So you're saying that chickens and humans are the same?"
Dude didn't even try to listen to Ed.
He just went full *T r I g G e R e D* 🤪🤡
"That's a good question. Let me just ignore that actually ..."
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But it's not about taste
@@nisse18 What is it about then?
Couldn't help but notice the meat eater had the word "kill" behind his right shoulder and "self indulgence" behind his left. Bizarre.
I noticed that ! Couldn’t be set up better really! Lol!
That is too accurate
Interviewer: Do you think animal life and human life are equal?
Ed: You don't have to view non-human animals as the same as human animals to understand why it's wrong to kill them.
Chris: You'll never get me to accept that animal and human life are equal.
...
Okay, glad to see he was listening.
So frustrating
Perfect example of attacking an implied strawman
At least people listening will understand how stupid his answer is, it only makes carnism look worse
@@samvandervelden8243 Bwaaahhhhh in your opinion, but yet we still eat meat, not much you can do.
@@theproudcarnivore6055 I can still abuse my dog, you can't stop me
Thank you for representing the community in such a respectable way!! You’re a gentleman & a hero, Ed!
This x10000
Ed 'I care more about chickens dying than I do about human slavery' Gaunt. The guy is a joke and only weak minded fools see him as anything different.
hes a liar
What has ed done thats heroic? Doxyou know what it takes to be considered heroic? If a vegan is heroic, what does that make a special forces soldier?
"We should respect each other without resorting to...*long pause*...violence"
Yeah, that's a great idea actually. Lets try that for a change.
Killing and torturing animals: not violence
Peaceful calm respectful debate: violence
We have to keep killing and torturing because if the majority of the human race ever became too peaceful to hurt even animals then the world will collapse in violence! Every hamburger that that guy eats brings us closer to world peace!
I once heard from a guy (a retired cop, BTW): “I get that you're vegan, but live and let live.”. Makes me wonder if people hear themselves and/or if it occurs to them what their ideas imply.
He accidentally agreed with the vegan position lol
I mean he kinda made himself sound stupid from the get go. "I want everyone to make their own choices and eat what they want but if too many people make the choice to go vegan they become the majority and that's bad for me"
That was classic. He couldn't see the hypocrisy of what he was saying. Eating meat and dairy and eggs has become the majority even being pushed into kids in schools, on tv and in supermarkets. It is heavily subsidised, has become a multi billion dollar and near untouchable industry and any alternative views are quickly quashed by highly paid legal teams and media talking heads.
Do as I say. Don't do as I do....
Haha right😂
He's worried that vegans will become the majority because many vegans want to ban meat.
ikr i've honestly never heard that argument and it made no sense lmao
Well cause.. then the now-majority would legally mandate the "choice"
"standing around in a field and then you get a bolt in the back of your head" how is this guy even remotely qualified to be on a talk show about it?
you can see this man has no idea how sheep are bred, raised, and slaughtered. this man sounded cold and matter of fact evil.
He is an oaf. We need the majority of people to see these exchanges as Ed destroys them everytime..
He also said "the majority" of animals are treated fairly. Not only is that blatantly false, but also besides the point. They're still being *killed* unnecessarily
It's no longer a personal choice when there's a victim.
Ed never said non-human animals are equal in value to human animals, simply more valuable than a snack...
"It's no longer a personal choice when there's a victim"
It's so simple when it's put like that
Yeah I found that weird. He said something like 'the debate isn't about if non-human animals have the same value as us' and the dude answered 'well, hell no, I can't agree with the statement that humans and animals are equal'. That was a proof of how terribly preprogrammed the dude was when engaging this debate. Not even listening to Ed probably
From 5:07 to 6:20
That's what I'm referring to
@Billy Barry It's not a legal term, dude.
@Billy Barry not sure what your point is here. A victim is someone who is harmed or killed by someone else. If an animal is killed against their will, they are a victim. This is not loaded language, it is the literal definition of the word
"A wise man changes his mind, a fool never will."
I guarantee he didn’t actually listen to a word Ed said. We can’t cure wilful ignorance and it sounds like this man has never had a critical thought in his life.
@Happy Carnivore That's right, the fools stay vegan and call all their health problems "detox" 😂
Ed did great, and I actually think the host was pretty reasonable as well. First time I've heard the "eating meat is unnecessary" argument countered by "drinking, smoking and music is unnecessary too tho" lol. I feel like he definitely knew that wasn't a good argument but was hoping people wouldn't think too deeply about it.
That's actually the only part I think could be improved upon by Ed here. When we say animal products are unnecessary some hear us saying that all unnecessary things are immoral. Also, some may be confused as to what it is unnecessary in respect too (are not all things unnecessary if you don't care about anything?). I'm not sure what I'd say instead of unnecessary though.
@@julianw7097 he means to say “unnecessarily harmful” not “recreational”
@@schrire39 Not sure what you’re talking about.
@@julianw7097 I’m expanding on what Ed means when he says that eating animals is “unnecessary”. He doesn’t mean it in the sense of “frivolous” so if he instead used the phrase “unnecessarily harmful” the meaning would be clearer.
@@schrire39 Ah ok I get it. Technically the same criticism applies (“unnecessarily harmful with respect to what goal?”), but it’s more clear the way you put it. It’s a trade off between clarity and not taking forever to make your point.
Chris's first argument about "the worry" being that when a group becomes a majority and see something as being unethical they try to ban it amazed me at how utterly flacid it is. You mean like pretty much every law in history?
yeaaah, he doesnt seem to like democracy
Yeah he shouldn't worry. Meat consumption is outpacing veganism, especially in younger generations.
He didn't do the research, his fears are irrational.
@@Cowz19999 That's my hope too. Vegans are mutants in a way, advocating for an evolutionary novel behavior that has no guarantee to be successful long term, especially if you take into consideration that these are probably also the people who worry about overpopulation and don't believe in having children children, so hopefully vegans will just naturally die out because they won't be having many children, opposed to carnivors who stick to traditional human behaviors like eating meat and having children.
Yeah i wonder how Chris would feel about those preachy abolitionists
I didn’t think it was possible, but Ed is actually getting even smoother with his responses and arguments. Great work Ed, you’re working wonders, cool, calm and collected as always. 🙌👌👊
I'm not vegan but I do respect Ed's abilities and patience.
And he's getting that vegan glow
Other campaigners could learn lessons from Ed’s calm & non offensive approach. We’re so proud of you Ed….”I have a dream…”
Christopher ... Ed never claimed that an animals life is equal to a humans, indeed he said that wasn't important to his argument. You are the one that said you avoid unnecessary cruelty. He pointed out that eating meat is unnecessary. You are unaware of the hypocrisy there. Point, Ed.
Summed it up perfectly 👌
@@klodno6164 Yep spot on 👍
He must've had some picture of a vegan in his head that he wasn't willing to change as Ed clarified his position
@@julianw7097 Don't so many arguments go that way? Preconceived notions and not thinking it through. I do that sometimes, but watching Ed is enlightening in other respects as well, like how to listen respectfully in addition to thinking things through.
@@julianw7097 He seemed a bit hysterical from the jump: Immediately going to the future in which vegans are a majority and making meat eating illegal, like that would be a nightmare rather than an inconvenience. I actually yelled at the screen "Calm down!"
Wow. The fact that he can’t see the difference between “unnecessary” luxuries like alcohol and cigarettes and animal products shows a complete lack of understanding of morality. A five year old could see the problem with his asinine argument. It’s exhausting hearing these same old arguments as naseum. How do you do it, Ed. You have unending patience.
It's just intellectual dishonesty. He even claims to agree with Ed's arguments but simply chooses to not apply the logic.
There is no victim with drinking alcohol. The host is such an idiot. I know what he means “drink driving accident”. Fail comparison
@Happy Carnivore whether there is a victim is actually not the key question. The key question is whether the bad outweighs the good. That is the argument for veganism - the bad of animal exploitation outweighs the good of sensory pleasure.
@Happy Carnivore The case for/against abortion is a tough one, but I imagine it is very case by case and ultimately should be a choice made by the mother and the doctor. Not allowing that medical autonomy could lead to a lot of evil. Either through illegal abortions being made available (unclean, unregulated and dangerous for the mother), newborns being abandoned or children being brought up in homes that simply cannot afford them.
Banning it assumes you are able to police everything 100% but you simply cannot. It's better to just have it legal and regulate it well.
@@DemonXeron Yep and meat is also legal and moral.
It kind of sounded like the interviewer subtly sided with Ed more. Which I like.
I thought so too but it was hard to tell at times. He did a great job staying as neutral as possible
I really hope we get Ed on our US cable channels doing this. He’s so amazing at just calmly getting out of the way and letting meat eaters skewer themselves in front of the masses with their off-putting, smug, deluded responses. Ed, keep holding up the mirror to society, you’re doing amazing work!
I think the interviewer did a really good job here. He was reasonable and asked great questions.
Well done Ed! Eloquent, logical and reasonable. You made the other guest sound “laddish”, ignorant and self justifying. Just like I was 8 years ago.
You can't argue against veganism without sounding sociopathic/psychopathic.
nature isn't sociopath or psychopathic
@@stankyblues7404 neither is genetic engineering nor selective breeding nor are large machines used to crowd millions of animals in crammed spaces then decapitating them and for some chicks right as they are born.
@@stankyblues7404 Nature doesnt give a fuck about morality. Why do carnivores exist if everything they eat has the ability to suffer ?
@@stankyblues7404 actually when it comes to survival mode it really is. Psychopathy means lack of empathy. Here is the definition: Psychopathy is defined as a mental (antisocial) disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior, shows a lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, expresses extreme egocentricity, and demonstrates a failure to learn from experience and other behaviors associated with the condition.
The lion can't manifest empathy, pitty, love, understanding for the gazelle because He is to busy being starving.
But the point is, we are not in the survival mode anymore, we are not in those extreme situations in which wild animals still are.
So if we do harm unnecessary other beings, if we are aware that we produce suffering and we don't feel bad for that, it sounds exactly like a psychopath.
@@user-ug6kk5ux5q agreed. Tigers and humans have a different moral frameworks: Tigers don't go to prison by other tiger for killing and eating tiger cub. Humans do go to prison for killing and eating human baby because of human civilisation that are based on morals.
See 19:27 in ua-cam.com/video/fgpOWv1rQhI/v-deo.html for a discussion on this and to help begin to answer your question and others on this matter.
When you have been corrected from the start and come to a contradiction at 14:03 and realise more q&a's are needed further answers can be provided and this won't help the point being made infact it will further deter one from it. The ego is afraid of defeat, so when tgis is accepted it's easy to fall into the path of putting energy into thinking rather than actually putting things into practice which was the purpose of thinking.
Of course Ed did great as always, but I also want to give kudos to the host - I think he understood Ed‘s arguments alot better than the other guy.
I’m not vegan (my husband is) but Ed makes some very compelling arguments. I’m slowly making changes to my diet
Watch earthlings the documentary it's free on youtube.
@Psilocybe Cubensis I’m a vegetarian now. It’s not impossible to be vegan in China but it’s a lot more challenging. I’m doing what I think I can maintain without getting frustrated and giving up.
How does he put up with your corpse tampering ways. Yuk !
Good for you my friend! I've been vegan for 3 years, I wish I went vegan earlier because fully ditching animal products is 100% the right thing to do.
@@TravelingTeachers My wife and I went vegan a long time ago when there was not many "alternatives." We made do just fine because we did it for the animals, not ourselves. And surely there's plant milk in China.
"animals are there to be killed and eaten" 🤡 smh
very well-spoken as always, Ed
what is the purpose of a cow other than food?
@@GarudaLegends unfortunately, we as humans have granted ourselves the right to determine the purpose of another being. we believe they exist for the purpose we impose on them. just because we’ve decided the “purpose” of an animal, does not mean what will happen to them is morally justifiable. for example, is dog fighting moral if the dogs were bred with the purpose to fight?
in countries where it’s legal to have sex with animals, is it therefore moral to have sex with an animal in a brothel where these animals were bred for this purpose?
in the same way, it’s not morally justifiable to exploit and murder animals just because we’ve decided their “purpose” is for human taste pleasure. especially because killing animals for food or human pleasure is unnecessary.
animals also have a preference to avoid pain and suffering just like humans. their desire to live is exactly the same as an animal that was born without a “purpose” for humans.
@@eugeniabarone answer the question. what is the purpose of a cow other than food? let me make it easier for you. what is the purpose of grass other than food for cows?
@@GarudaLegends Rodeo's then BBQ's.
@@GarudaLegends that’s just it, their purpose is not defined by us humans. i did answer your question, and the fact that you’re asking me the same thing again tells me you didn’t take the time to think about and understand what i wrote.
I knew this guy was going to get schooled. His counter arguments were laughably weak.
Typical appeal to nature, might makes right arguments.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Okay if it's so absurd what are your counter arguments to Ed's points?
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Wow what a great answer, you really showed all the naysayers. There you have it guys that' is McGavin's logical reasoning.
He never explored his morals. He should just admit he doesn't care.
You might never reach the opponents of these conversations with your arguments. But you sure reach a lot of people watching. Thanks Ed
Absolutely.
Ed, I don't know how you handle these conversations with such patience and grace.
Chris just made me ROLL MY EYES. So fed up of ignorant old men that still think animals should be killed for their pleasure. Ed… patience of a saint as always 💛💛💛
I'm fed up with anyone who thinks that, not just old men
even in my past as a meat eater what he said would have been total nonsense
Plenty of old women think the same way...
@@julianrandall3550The word “men” can include the female and male gender of humans
We need to clone Ed, and teach the clones different languages, so that we have a vegan world by 2050 😆
The level of Ed's patience and calmness while explaining over and over to every self-centered meat eater is just out out of this world. Anthropocentric belief that we as humans are meant to eat meat is just a matter of a long nurtured custom that was powered by our taste and pleasure. IF ONLY all of these meat eaters had pigs/cows/etc. as pets as kids, they would get attached and look a bit behind the f**** plate they are enjoying and protecting at all costs.
Very well said 👍🏼
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@MAIN uhm, sorry but the past is past, can't we just appreciate the fact that some of our minds are open to learn and change, like who cares about how clueless i was, the important thing is that I'm ready to change and that i actually did
some say the worst struggle is to repeatedly debunk other people over and over again
@Happy Carnivore so why are you incapable of it? Oh yes bc you are a troll.
Our lives no longer belong to us alone; they belong to those who need us desperately. - Elie Wiesel
Just like animals belong to us
@@kenvisvielgern4436 huh?
@@kenvisvielgern4436 ah, you must mean as dependants, as we have dominion over them eh?
@@OptimisticApocalypse I think he means as property
@@sonofgandalf403 Ik what he meant.
Militant Veganism is a term conjured up by media and groups who are wanting to portray vegans in a bad light. People who may be very passionate may get frustrated and come across strongly, normally cos they struggle to control or contain their own emotion discussing something so important to them (personal issues). Never have I heard of vegans inflicting harm upon anyone else to make a point. It would go against what we are trying to achieve. Don't let people like this make you feel emotions you shouldn't, or question yourself on whether you're doing right. We know what we are doing is best.
This guy speaking like he afraid a group of vegans gonna come bash his door down and take him away in the night LOL. His points and arguments were so silly and he clearly has no empathy for animals. You did well Ed, I know a lot of public who watched will at least have a few questions for themselves to answer. A few more seeds have been planted.
Maybe not militant, but you gotta admit a lot of vegans can be really annoying... Speaking as a vegan myself
@@tblizzi1369 haha yes for sure!
@@tblizzi1369 Annoyance is subjective. We are a passionate bunch for sure living in a woke state of mind and constantly disturbed by carnism, so yes it can be hard to control oneself.
The guy implies that vegans are attacking people. No evidence to support his claim
I wish we could take him away and send him to a re-education camp lol
I lost it when he said “animals essentially are there to be killed and eaten”
Yes he’s such an old school operator. Thank goodness we are moving forward! 🌱
Outdated, barbaric and callous thinking.
refreshing to see a respectful host who let's guests talk. so awesome that Ed gets on TV frequently!! and is such a shining beacon of facts, level headedness, and honesty. loved the little comment at the very end, haha, it must be said!
He'd rather vegans remain a minority... if he gets his wish, humanity is going bye bye.
There are people who are willing to burn an entire rainforrest just for a one cigar. So him wanting to eat meat even though it's destroying us doesn't suprise me one bit🤥
Ed that was fucking amazingly handled mate, your interviews and debates have gone from good to fantastic over the past few years that I’ve been watching you - and that wrap-up you did at the end was seriously impressive 👏👏👏👏 Heavy praise I know, but well-earned
At the end, Ed said "Humans don't get their throats cut, obviously."
@Happy Carnivore I'm not familiar with your reference. The only time humans get their throats cut, and then eaten is when other humans do it, as cannibalism. "Cutting" implies a knife.
I went vegan 1 month ago. Dairy and red meat free 3 years now. I only consumed chicken and fish twice a week. Because of you I went completely vegan. All animals are created equal and should not be killed for consumption. Thank you Ed for waking me up 🤘🏼😊🤘🏼
That is called plant based. Not vegan... Please know the difference.
The way you stay so calm is beyond me. That is something I need to work on.
I concur
I mean I need to do the same, lol
Same
how can you be calm when veganism is clearly a mental illness and you cry so hard and get emotional at animal suffering? Do you get what I'm trying to say?
@@AlexMonajemi Are you against animal cruelty?
Ed is a pro in these interviews.
Indeed he is a good example for all of us if you piss somebody off you’re going to turn them off . plant the seed of morality that’s the best way to approach the issues
Vegan of nearly 7 years because of Ed! I have two vegan kids and my partner is vegan also.
Meat eaters arguments never stand with me. No excuse for cruelty and suffering.
Thank you Ed!!
Same as me- two vegan kids since birth and a vegan husband 🌱💖
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 And yet everything parents and guardians do for children is, if you want to use such emotive language, _enforcing!_ Where and how the family lives. The schooling the children receive; whether that’s home schooled, state or private. Raised religious or non religious. In a home with a piano or sailboat.
I think you misunderstand, guardians are there to raise and guide their children. As children we get very little say in that, and you know what? *That’s fine!* Children can always rebel. Anyway, I think both Sarah and Rebecca are doing the very best for their children, as most parents and guardians do.
Vegan arguments never stand with me either. No reason to go vegan.
Great job Ed! The other man's views on life and his morals are honestly scary. That some people see nothing wrong with shooting someone in the back of the head just because we will all die someday.
They'd never agree that's a good argument with killing pets, let alone humans. But the animal has to be valued and connected to the human for most people to care, unfortunately. 😕
They don't actually believe that, so it's more of a problem of them being stubborn liars instead morally scary
@@Fallen4theFallen2 I value a good steak. I respect cows for giving them to me.
@@theproudcarnivore6055 😂💩
@Happy Carnivore you got me good, much savage 💯
Carnist: *kills billions of animals each year* "We gotta look out for those dangerous militant vegans guys."
Cannot dispute the logic and reasoning, as always. Born for this Ed. 🌱
"Let's try to settle the debate once and for all"
Well, good luck! XD
Class act by Ed, btw!
The debate is already settled. Vegans won. At this point meat eaters are struggling not with the debate but with their own cognitive dissonance. I hope they get rid of their cognitive dissonance soon.
@@dr.c2195 Um, no. Just because they're struggling with cognitive dissonance doesn't mean that the debate is settled. If it really was settled, we'd literally never have this debate over and over. YOU might think there's nothing to debate over, because you've been thoroughly convinced by one side's argument, but that's not the general consensus, is it?
@@dr.c2195 If meat eaters are struggling with cognitive dissonance then vegans are struggling with *moral superiority*.
@Happy Cats How old are you? I was a vegan bro, for almost 2yrs. I figured out the lies. Veganism is mental illness in action. Be careful dude. I almost lost my mind. You need to see the bigger picture.
@Happy Cats Thanks for showing that you are indeed in a cult. Animals are NOT someone. You have been emotionally manipulated by animal rights activists. If you are smart you will see through the lies and leave veganism before you start getting health problems. Veganism is essentially a fasting diet.
Let me tell you something though. Vegans are RIGHT to be FUMING mad at humanity. But we didn't choose to be human.
Big up Ed, you’ve come so far man, doing such an amazing job for the animals
Calm AF, collected AF and poised to educate the brainless. Thank you.
“I’m not saying that an animals life is worth more then a humans”
“You Can’t convince me an animals life is worth as much as a humans”
He just didn’t listen to that point whatsoever! 😭😭
Ed, you are glowing! What is your skincare routine like? Lol Your arguments are ridiculously good. Compassion will always prevail! Love all that you do! 💕
Must be all the meat he eats
@@happyapple4269 meaty vegetables!!! Lol
I thought the same thing! His skin is glowing!
I think the make-up at GBNews team did that on purpose. GBNews is a far right channel. Their audience hate vegans and I think they deliberately overdid his make-up to tyy and make him look "unwell".
You should see what their audience thought of this. They couldn't get past his appearance.
@@jamesjohnson2394 His appearance? What's wrong with it? He just looks like a guy to me? 🤷🏼♀️
Ed - Logical arguments.
Chris - Fallacies, excuses and arguing/repeating the very points ed just refuted.
I would have loved to see him address any of Ed’s points directly instead of worrying about the number of vegans in existence lol
Deep respect for vegan activists.
@Happy Carnivore If you carnivore you don't respect choices of animals.
Andrew: "Don't they have to be taken into consideration as well?"
Chris: "No."
I mean, even if I wasn't vegan that would sound really alarming...
So happy these "debates" are happening in the media 🙏🏻
Thanks for representing veganism so eloquently. And good on Andrew Doyle for not talking over you and getting defensive. The strident and militant vegan argument is really a desperate go to.
I think most smart people get veganism when it is presented calmly and clearly.
Can you imagine if all the pedos, rapists and murders in the world use the defence... "respect my views" lol ludicrous.
Love how you debate. Something to aspire to.
Maybe a better comparison would be those that abuse pets, as even this guy is against pet abuse, as are most people.
It's good that you're offended... they are vile and immoral acts... all of them. The law is irrelevant... law ≠ morality, although it should.
Carnists would say those comparisons are disanalogous because accepting something you consider normal to be vile and immoral is a nigh impossible task. They also have trouble seeing animals as sentient beings.
But if you consider all animals to be sentient and you break the acts down to their base components they are comparable.
Pedo is effectivly abuse of someone before the age of consent. That would be 16 (in my country) in humans. Thats about 20% of the lifespan and also approximate age of sexual maturity. If you apply that to a cow then that would be either 4 years old or 1 year old respectivly. And a shed poad of dirty things happens to cows before that age.
Rape... again for a cow... how can being caged, fisted and then stuffed with a baster not be rape. If there's consent there how about trying it without a cage?
And murder... because all animals dream of being plated up, its their life long goal... really?
Can you imagine we simply compare vegans to pedo's, rapists and murderers and call that an argument? LOL Ridiculous.
It's the logical inconsistency for me. How do they not see it?
cognitive dissonance
They don't want to see it
@@Jamesquish vegans are self righteous!
How nice of him that he‘s never eaten veal but constantly eats the foods that produce veal as a necessary side product
It blows my mind how calm and collected you are under such pressure! You’re really brilliant 😊
Ed, you’re amazing! You put that moron in his place in the most respectful way! I want to be like you!
Why does every argument against veganism start with "look, I have nothing against vegans, but..."?
Look, i have nothing against vegans, but a lot of people do have something against them.
LOL! ...."but i dont want a group of people to bash my door down and take me away cos they love animals".. was what it seemed he was implying at one stage there haha
”Im not a racist, but...”
@@kattihatt more like the opposite, meat eaters are closer to racism than vegans
@@existentialbowlofnoodles2495 thanks to you I'm hungry now, thanks
Oh, I hope Chris's prediction that we will become the majority comes to fruition sooner rather than later. Once again, Ed's glowing health comes shining through . . . along with with his undeniable logic and compassion. Thanx Ed!
Bravo Ed! Calm and eloquent as always.
Funny how Ed chooses peace but he will eviscerate this man
The anti-vegan guy was such a caricature that I almost feel like the host is a closet veggie who chose him specifically to provide a lay-up to Ed.
I love the way you handle yourself during these types of things. Very calm, cool, collected. You're very informed and get across your points fantastically. Thanks Ed!
Chris is absolutely contradicting his own words. Ed brings to the table education, reason, and calmness. You can tell Chris is taken back by this and brought down hard by Ed🤣🤣💗 Ed does it right every time keep it up man!!!
Thank you Ed for speaking up for the voiceless
I always wish these were longer. I love when you have the discussions on the news.
"animals are there to be killed an eaten" , "I won't eat veal though, that's crossing the line", "UNnecessary cruelty" - is he aware of the things he's saying. If you won't eat veal for your moral reasons then other animals should fall under that same moral, surely?
Ed is clearly shining here, a true representative of intellectually coherent Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
Meat eaters love to try to keep bringing the discussion back to “well, those vegans think that an animal’s life is more important as a human’s life”. As Ed already said, that is not the issue at all. The question is “is an animal’s life more important than a human’s discretionary sensory pleasure?”. In other words, just because some humans like the taste of meat, does that justify what we do to the animals that are killed for that meat?
Killing many animals simply for a 5 min taste is bonkers
The environmental and health impacts I think are far more compelling reasons to bring about legislative change on the animal agricultural industry, the morality of it is just the icing on the cake
Chris was a good opponent in this debate - not because his points hold any water, but I think he represents the feelings of most meat eaters (after you strip away the appeals to nature etc.)
I'm a big meat fan, especially when the "meat" is still alive,happy and safe.
I got so excited when he talked about how he was worried that the vegans would become a majority. I dream of this day, but I don’t usually let myself get too hopeful. It’s so exciting that this is a plausible possibility from the perspective of someone outside the movement
@Happy Carnivore Once enough people are on board and the non-vegans become the ones having to resist social pressure, you won’t want to. Meat alternatives and lab-grown meat will taste exactly the same, be way cheaper and more convenient to access, and if you go against what would now be a moral norm you will be viewed in the same way as you would if you abused a cat in the street today. Causing harm to animals when you don’t need to will be stigmatised, as it should be, because it’s wrong
I'm a 55 year old man brought up in one of the toughest areas of Liverpool, Thatcher school system of the 1980's, useless educators. Yet even I can understand that if this world in which we're all melting, doesn't stop farming animals we're f**ked.
Plant based diets are the only way forward to prevent the trees we need that create oxygen, being cut down to farm helpless animals for some modern fast food frenzy. It's pure madness, as are most things today.
We can be better than the propaganda we've been conditioned to all our lives. Make the change for the ones you love and their babies futures.
It's easier now than it's ever been. I'm a nobody, If I did it, trust me, you definitely can.
Thank you.
Exactly! thank you!
Chris has a poster behind him that says something about killing(??), and another that says “self-indulgence at this time is helping the enemy”…yet he argues that humans are entitled to “unnecessary luxuries” such as animal products… Are unnecessary luxuries not self-indulgent…? So frustrating…as are his conflicting/baseless arguments. 😩
As always, thank you for teaching us how to be brave, exercise patience, and calmly take a stand! 👏🏼 Much love and appreciation from midwestern USA! 🤗
Ed: no, I don't think chickens are the same as humans
Bad Faith Carnist: I can't believe you think chickens are the same as humans.
Every....Single...Time
Wonderful as always to watch Ed out there being eloquent and amazing. The host was respectful as well, neutral and really gave Ed time to speak.
4:01 Ed's facial expression is the civilised version of someone putting down their drink, rolling up their sleeves & cracking their knuckles
Ed, if I weren't on the other half of the world I'd propose to you. Thank you for being so respectable, patient, and taking the time over and over to try and educate the omnivores/carnists. You deserve nothing but happiness and health and good fortune. Many blessings to you.
Ed has the whole set of argument and counter-argument. People debating with him probably do not realize they play with a chess grand master. They lost from the begining of the conversation.
Almost everyone in my church is vegan. We all take thou shalt not kill very seriously.
'its not that i disagree with the argument, its just that it's a point of view i don't hold'
Translation: I can't argue with your logic but I'm too selfish to face up to my hypocrisy
Christopher: "...and one day you get a bolt to the back of your head"...as if that was just a minor event....
“I respect his view of not wanting to participate in rape because it goes against his own personal moral system. I just don’t want him to impose his moral system on me or any other person who enjoys rape.”
I love how a vegan activist will straight up state that they don’t believe animal lives are equal to human lives, and then the anti-vegan will respond with “you can’t put animal lives on the same level as human lives”.
Ikr? He might as well just cover his ears with his hands whenever Ed is making a rebuttal.
then i am justified in eating meat and plants based on the vegan logic
@@GarudaLegends Nothing about what I said provides any justification for eating meat, but do you my guy.
@@yanggang7 meat is food, and food is a nessesity. i dont need to justify eating food. just because your cult tell you eating certain food is bad, does not mean it is. humans are omnivores and your vegan religion practices a eat diet that makes humans devolve. no thanks. you can be a weak beta human if you want, and keep practicing your vegan religion. it is your right to be foolish
Christopher doesn't listen. He was stating that he doesn't think "animals and humans are equal" after Ed already addressed that and stated that that wasn't the argument from the vegan perspective.....
Ed for the Win!
Chris: "I don't inflict unnecessary cruelty"
Ed: "We don't have to eat animal products, so it's all unnecessary"
2:43 Imagine Chris used this same logic about slavery, civil rights, gender rights etc.
Wouldn't hold up as an acceptable argument would it...
Reading your book right now Ed, myself and Leena Norms are going to be chatting about how it made us feel in a collab on her channel soon ... oh my goodness, it's so powerful. Think it's the last push I've needed after years of trying to minimise my animal product consumption after a bad 'introduction' to plant based living (through eating disorders/as an excuse to cut more food groups out). Thank you so much for writing such an incredible book x
Eloquent, factual, reasoned and calm as always. Thank you Ed 💚
Ed just got warmed up and then: “thank you for your arguments.”