It’s interesting how instinctively the comments Moses makes about cannibalism strike us as being really disturbing. Yet based on what he describes, the cannibalism is more ethical than the consumption of non-human animals he’s trying to justify. What we do to animals is, after all, far from consensual. We force animals into farms and slaughterhouses and take their life from them forcefully and against their will. Which of the arguments Moses used did you find the most unusual? Support my university campus tours here (thank you!): earthlinged.org/support & patreon.com/earthlinged
I think while he sets up the cannibalism in an "idealist" scenario where no one is intentionally getting hurt, the question it leads to is, what if he enjoys it? What routes would that lead him down to seek that same enjoyment? I think everyone is able to see through that which is what results in the strongest reaction.
Honestly, I don't see why aliens would eat humans. We think of food in that way, and mostly, it's the only way we think of feeding ourselves - and yet, we share our planet with sun-eating plants, for example... Aliens are maybe eating rocks. Who knows. It's just so absurd to confuse sci-fi with reality .
@@Heidi_137ну, вообще-то, учитывая культивированное мясо мы и человечину спокойно сможем есть, к тому же, учитывая что люди могут с согласия давать свои клетки, то это будет самый веганских вариант, и самый питательный, потому что человеку лучше всего по белку и тд. подходит плоть человека. А этот мужчина на видео дискутирующий с Эдом по моему_ мнению немножко запутался. Легко думать что будет в экстренной ситуации и оправдывать этим свои привычки которые не самые лучшие. Просто большинство людей не веганы потому что большинство людей не веганы, мы социальные животные, поэтому конечно дискуссия это самый лучший способ переходя людей на веганство и люди не меняются под влиянием факторов люди меняются под влиянием других людей. Поэтому мужчине на видео я_ могу_ пожелать только веганского окружения и позитивных с ним коммуникаций.
@@Heidi_137и не нужно психофобии, психопаты просто люди которые немножко другие, а не неразумные дикие создания; я_ вот не чувствую эмпатии но это не мешает мне_ быть активистом за права растений и насекомых. А учитывая что большинство преступлений совершается психически здоровыми людьми я_ попрошу вас не называть каждого встречного который вас немного отталкивает, психопатом. Потому что возможно это будет для вас новостью но психопаты такие же люди как и мы все, просто немножко другие, они они могут иметь свои моральные ориентиры, и могут любить, могут не делать другим больно даже если они не чувствуют социальных обязательств по этому поводу. И опять же в пример я_ могу привести себя_. Может я_ не социапат но аутичный человек и аутисты во многом похожи на социопатов, могут идти против общественного мнения, и не выполнять приказы.
@@36ELRICI’m junk vegan, mainly pasta and bread very little fruit and vegetables(I’m getting better at that W Brussels sprouts) and cereal with almond milk. If I’m struggling financially I’ll go ramen or go vegetarian
I’m not a fan of commenting about the people Ed is debating, but Jesus Christ this guy is an insufferable edgelord. We all watched George Carlin and tried to do the ‘well, the world is doomed, so fuck it!’ thing when we were 14. Carrying that attitude into adulthood is just cringe.
What's phenomenal about Ed is how quickly he grasps whatever ideas or viewpoints the other person brings forward - no matter how outlandish they are. It takes a very empathetic person to immediately recognize someone elses (sometimes illogical) standpoint and roll with them in a way that is constructive rather than judgy
@@rondarkman.It likely inspires people watching to go vegan through the discussion of the arguments even if it doesn't convince the guy being interviewed
What animals might those be? I've seen videos of cows eating baby chickens. I've also seen a video of a pig licking up the blood of another pig that just had its throat cut. Most animals will eat anything if they're hungry. A cow does not have any moral qualms about eating other animals. It's just not convenient for them to do so.
@@MasterMoron Herbivores who don't have the digestive system to process animal products, perhaps? And even if all herbivores are just blood-thirsty carnivores who can't find any meat, what relevance does that have to human morality and the ethics of killing animals purely for their taste (with nutrition necessities nullified by modern plant-based diets?)
animals that are in captivity and facing trauma and murder everyday cannot be expected to exhibit natural behavior. and what we as traumatized humans consider 'normal' in this twisted world is far from natural.@@MasterMoron
I had a conversation with a friend who sounded just like this guy and I hung out with them a few times after that, but I just couldn't get past it. I didn't want to be friends with someone who argued so strongly against veganism with stupid points. I can be friends with non-vegans, but I can't be friends with people who go out of their way to argue against it.
My problem with him is not that he argues against it, it's that his arguments are stupid, self-contradictory, and absurd, and he KNOWS it and says so, and he STILL says them out loud. I could hang out with someone that I AGREED with if that was how he argued for what I believe in! It's just a firehose of nonsense, spouted off with such undeserved confidence. (He also has trouble just shutting up for a second, and when he does, he doesn't let anything penetrate his wall of absurdities. He just waits for the next opportunity to repeat the same nonsense that he acknowledge a minute ago was false, wrong, contradictory, and immoral. Run from people like this, even if they are vegans!
@@CC-qv3miAgree with this. Had a whole conversation with an adult male, CEO of a company apparently, on LinkedIn who literally said “I accept this moral contradiction.” As in he knew he was in the wrong, kept arguing with the same argument I already debunked (he said it himself) and then in the end says “I don’t care, I accept the moral contradiction.” ????? I was genuinely so confused. Then he even used ageism and racism in his “arguments” so I just stopped talking to said person LOL. Had many conversations like this. No matter how polite or professional I stay, it always ends the same way. And I’m not an adult.
@@Mattycakes1 Exactly. The eating human flesh is just a silly comment and he probably feels stupid about it now, and that's OK because young people tend to sometimes say stupid things. Lots of people here latch on the cannibal bit and forget about the rest: he admits that there's no good argument to eat meat. You won't get that from most omnivores, so there's hope.
@@carstenaltena If it's consensual, then surely there isn't anything morally wrong with eating human meat? The problem with meat isn't that it's the flesh of an animal, it's that the consumption of meat normally necessitates harm being done to a sentient being.
@@xFriendlyNapalm Consensual, yes. But the idea is quite disturbing to most people. Like I said, I think he blurted it out without really thinking. Pehaps in an effort to be "edgy" or to shock Ed, I don't know.
@@Mattycakes1 If they have literally just had it cut off and are still high on anesthetic, then sure. But if it is actually consensual (e.g. it was cut off, put on ice, and then they later consented to it being consumed), then there doesn't seem to be any moral issues with it as far as I can see.
Well, at least his argument is an original one. If we have to continue on the God argument, then why did God give these animals feelings of pain, happiness, sadness, connection, suffering, misery? Why did that same God gave me, a basic human, the same feelings and made me realize veganism is the right choice because it is all about creating less suffering, more compassion? It can easily be argued that the reason why God made animals sentient is to test our compassion and respect...
And that's if you just grant his appeal to a god and try to work with it, because if you wanna press all the way, he'd need to demonstrate the existence of such god to begin with. In any case, I get that it's easier to push for real change by just trying to work along with the person's already held beliefs, as stupid as they may be, instead of attacking them and go into an entire tangent that most likely won't budge at all. We can (hopefully) solve things later, when the more pressing matters are resolved...
where does it create more compassion? does it create compassion in a wild pig that you dont eat their cousins with onions and fries? that s 1 thing that you dont want to create unnecessarily suffering for them as we are not cruel, but that is an other to not value their lives as much as humans.
As a vegan activist myself, it is honestly so disheartening and exhausting going through debates like this one. Talking to someone who acknowledges their contradictions, yet concluding that their lifestyle "works for them." Activism is exhausting, time consuming and at times, feels hopeless. I applaud you, Ed, for fighting for so long. We have to go out and do it. At the end of the day, the individuals that we reach who understand and stop contributing to animal agriculture because of us... that makes it all worth it ❤
Yes, it can be completely aggravating. Why don't people care?? And it's really not that hard, especially today. The plus side is that some people DO change when they learn the truth. I was one of those people.
@@WorldOfARandomVegan People do care. Vegans assume that people who eat meat don't care about animals. That couldn't be further from the truth. But, vegan activists don't offer any solutions. Vegan activists say that factory farms place animals in horrible conditions. Most people would agree that those conditions should be improved. But, vegans offer no solutions to improving the condition of farms. They just claim that people should not eat animal products, which is not a solution.
@@MasterMoronHow would you propose we “improve” factory farming conditions? No matter how much we improve it, the only and EASIEST option for improvement is to simply not consume animal products. Organic farming isn’t sustainable either, if we had 100% organic farming (which is STILL exploiting other animals unnecessarily) we would use up WAY too much land and food resources rather than having majority factory farming. I don’t agree; vegans do give solutions. But these solutions are often regardes as extreme. Is it extreme to simply not cause unnecessary suffering? Is it extreme to not exploit other sentient beings unnecessarily?
@@7yu00not eating animal products isn't a solution. If you went to a doctor and told the doctor your arm wasn't working and he told you to just stop using your arm you would seek a new doctor because he wasn't offering you any solution. If you go to a lawyer and told him that your ex wasn't letting you see your child and he told you to just not see your child you would go to a different lawyer because they are not offering a solution. If you were running an animal farm and you hired someone to make the farm more ethical and sustainable and they told you to stop producing meat you would fire them because they didn't offer any solutions.
@@MasterMoron That analogy doesn’t work unfortunately. Not eating animal products aka a well planned plant-based diet, does not impact your well-being, health or life in a negative way, assuming you live in a first- or second-world state like I do, such as Germany, the US, the Netherlands, you get it. The point is that we do things we don’t NEED to do. We don’t NEED to inflict pain and suffering on other sentient beings because there is an alternative: not doing it. Again, as I said, organic farming is not sustainable at all, if you were wondering about sustainability. The most sustainable way of farming is factory farming nowadays.
@@Ceaseless_Cischargeya he even described how he would ask his friend who was baisicly on their death bed for their flesh. Straight serial killer vibes
@@Ceaseless_Cischarge It was obvious from the beginning that he didn't take the conversation seriously until Ed treated him with a little respect. it was only then that his opinion, though incorrect, showed some thought process. If you think he was being serious when he said he wanted to eat human flesh , I will respectfully disagree.
@@stevenmeyer9674 You're welcome to disagree but I think it's naive tbh . Whatever you do please don't get too close to him thinking he wasn't serious. You might wake up on a hook in a shipping container. lol
No empathy for animal suffering! Total psychopath wanting to eat human meat. Too bad he can't be locked away now before he becomes the next Jeffrey Dahmer...
Holy hell, this dude is a fascinating casy study in just saying random shit that pops into his head and then trying to rationalize them afterwards. Also if he is thinking about eating humans regularly he needs to be on some sort of watch list.
He doesn’t actually answer questions. He just waits till Ed’s done asking and then says the first thing that comes to mind whether it’s related to the question or not.
Personally, to me I smell the dead flesh and want to vomit, he must have lost his taste buds or eat super spicy to cover the taste of decaying flesh. Gross!!! But, that's me being ultra-sensitive to smells and taste.
I might wake up one day and recognise that this life I am experiencing is just an absurdist nightmare with lunatics at every turn. Maybe I am still coming down off that one epic shroom trip from several years back. It's hard to say at times.
Cannibalism isn’t inherently wrong. In fact, humans can consent to being eaten so it’s less unethical than unethical than eating another animal, and actually ethical if the humans was vegan.
He's literally throwing every argument at you - clearly delving into a conscious thought he didn't know he had. And running out of excuses. Your ability to not laugh, keep cool and actually engage in dialogue is brilliant Ed!
The diffusion of responsibility that people feel is so interesting. Around 8:15 when he’s saying everyone does it so the responsibility isn’t on each people, imagine a world where we all assumed responsibility. It’s like the bystander effect, when everyone thinks everyone else is going to call 911 or do cpr in an emergency, but then nobody does
@mind5403 I remember before going vegan getting a whole bunch of chicken drumsticks and trying to put hickory BBQ sauce on them (which mostly melted off in the oven.) And I have never been more disappointed with a meal in my life. The meat itself is dull and kind of gross. The seasoning / batter / vegetable oils used to create tasty chicken has nothing to do with the meat, and I've found it tastes just as good on plant proteins
I think this guy just says the wild shit bc he gets a reaction. When Ed didn’t react it caused him to think about what he was actually saying a bit deeper. Bravo to Ed for always being calm.
my thoughts exactly. he is probably more used to people getting reactive after he purposefully uses inflammatory/shocking examples to divert attention from the actual topic at hand and consequently any accountability/responsibility on his part. pathetic.
Ed, please keep up this work! You have moved me from vegetarianism to veganism and as a result 3 people around me and many on moving that way. It's a long road and I think you are the brightest light. I just wish I could engage in the conversations with such control, logic and questioning. Brilliant!
As a University of Arizona graduate that went vegetarian in college, and vegan a couple years after that, I'm incredibly embarrassed by this dude. I think even as he heard himself he started to realize just how unhinged he sounded, and had to try to back pedal a little. Thank you, Ed, for your clarity and patience in the interviews, always! If I ever catch you in person, I'll be fangirl-ing SO hard. 😅
If god didn't want me to strangle people why did he give me hands? This is a great and consistent argument that does not immediately fall apart in other contexts at all LMFAO
It never ceases to amaze me the intellectual gyrations people will go through to avoid the obvious logical conclusions from premises they plainly accept.
Recently I took part in a Cube of Truth and faced several times teens (10-15yo) and they were really close minded and didn't really care and when in groups it's even harder as they want to have a dominant role among their peers and don't want to be seen as weak. I would love to see how you would react in this kind of situation, with groups of young teenagers or teens who don't care and just enjoy their bacon sandwich. Excellent video, as always. I really love how you always have the right thing to say at the right time without being on the critical side and while respecting people. Keep it up! Love your videos!
So basically, the guy (Moses) being interviewed in this video is saying, "I'm consciously aware and fully admit that murdering innocent, defenceless, child-like animals, just so I can eat their muscle flesh, is terribly cruel, inhumane, unethical, immoral, and simply wrong, but I'm going to keep doing it anyway." 🥴 Sadly, I don't hold out much hope for the future of humanity 😢
@@MasterMoron okay, great. So you don’t think buying CP is immoral. What if the human traffickers then put the child on the black market? Then is it okay if I buy that child? If not, would it make it moral if that child was killed first?
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them so tasty?" I think the better question is "Why do you put your faith into something that has no empirical proof of existence beyond a book written by anonymous authors, and build your flimsy moral compass around it?"
@@Blackpill149 It's easy for believers to just call god the cause of evolution or any other natural process. In fact most christians accept that evolution is a thing. Don't get me wrong it definitely is incompatible with a fundamentalist religious view but people are really good at squaring mental circles.
Its the plant based sauces and spices to cover the unappetizing taste and texture of uncooked meat. Plus Genesis 1 29 through 30 for that matter says how God completed creation when providing seed-bearing foods for All Creatures as their source of food which would be without predation / perdition
I think Ed did have some fun with this guy 😂...After all Ed did laugh more in this episode than with the other interview partners...At least this guy was original and honest 😅...Although I would not like to meet him in the dark...or outside of a huge group of non-cannibals 😅.
1st 😁 I had ppl ask me that as well. I just simply tell them it’s not d animals that are tasty it’s the seasoning, which is why we can make non-animal products taste the same
@@spencerprice1676that is true for most foods actually. A lot of things can be even better if you really know how to cook. The most difficult part is usually the texture. Not taste.
Ed, how are you doing this? I could never ever stay so calm after hearing such words, that show how little someone cares about the suffering of others.
@@vkb63522 I don’t get your sense of humor. I think it’s not funny to make jokes about the abuse and killing of individuals. Even if you are not part of it.
He did make a 600 year old pensioner build an ark , and destroyed the human race because he was upset his science experiments didn't work even though he was always going to know the outcome
Since when did God ever say because something is pleasurable that therefore it alludes to his approval? Seems like almost the antithesis of God's traditional character.
It really tied the whole conversation together. Dude was stuck in an imaginary scenario that hasn't ever occurred and Ed respectfully brought the debate back to reality
Well done 👏 You’re such a smart guy, in your questions, your delivery and your patience. It can’t be easy to sit there and not butt in every time they say something silly or contradicting. Almost like the tactic is giving them time to talk them into doom and having time to think about what they’re saying and doing. Friendly calm approach helps make them feel relaxed and open to hearing new mindsets. Long lasting thoughts will be planted in there head and help them start the change. Well done
A thought I've recently had that is a powerful thing to bring up when people feel like -if they stop eating meat, that they won't really cause any change to the overall picture: Let's say someone is 25 years old and they live to 85 and they eat meat twice a day. That equates to 36,400 animals that they will eat in their life time from then on. ONE PERSON. If we go from the time they are 5 years old to 85 that is 53,760!!
I find so annoying these bizarre loopy arguments, that's self indulgent and bs, it just shows that the arguments generated by Ed are so common sense and down to earth
Welcome to Arizona, Earthling Ed. Hope your stay was good. The canine teeth argument: I fell for this as a kid, but later on took a real look at human 'canines' and then took a look at those of carnivores like felines, canines, and so forth. Dude. If we are carnivores at all we are piss poor ones. Real meat eaters laugh at what we call our canine teeth. It's like that Australian guy comedy with a the gang guy and his little pocket knife the the Australian pulls out his outback bushwacker. It's absurd.
I am sitting in the lunchroom at work cringing as ppl talk about eating poor chickens! 😮😢 I'm eating my carrot hot dog, rice and beans and cuke tomato salad
The thing that comes to mind when I watch this is that this guy and many others just like him are going through the world making decisions with these huge gaps in their logic. You can tell he never even considered that animals don't volunteer to be consumed. He drives a car. I'm expected to believe this person and others like him are rational beings.
To those that use that argument, try it without seasoning. Tofu also tastes like cartbord if you don't season it. A lot of things would taste like shit if you don't season it.
This is what happens when someone from reddit tries to use their highly-upvoted comments in real life, away from other cringe redditors. It was actually embarassing to watch these anti vegan talking points against someone as logical as éd.
I like how every one of these people says that we should do everything we can to minimize harm to the planet and to animals, but none of them actually try to do anything. The internet has made people believe that "supporting" a cause amounts to saying you support it and nothing else.
It’s interesting how instinctively the comments Moses makes about cannibalism strike us as being really disturbing. Yet based on what he describes, the cannibalism is more ethical than the consumption of non-human animals he’s trying to justify. What we do to animals is, after all, far from consensual. We force animals into farms and slaughterhouses and take their life from them forcefully and against their will.
Which of the arguments Moses used did you find the most unusual?
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I think while he sets up the cannibalism in an "idealist" scenario where no one is intentionally getting hurt, the question it leads to is, what if he enjoys it? What routes would that lead him down to seek that same enjoyment? I think everyone is able to see through that which is what results in the strongest reaction.
@@LouisGedo, speak of the DEVIL. 😮
Great video Ed......i think both arguments are weird
Bro has a wild imagination. Can imagine aliens farming humans, can imagine eating his buddy's leg... But cannot imagine eating a bean
He cannot imagine enjoying a fully plant based diet.
He needs to go to a good pure vegan restaurant to see how tasty and satisfying it can be!
Sounds like a psychopath to me! Dreaming of eating human flesh, that crosses a line most of us cannot ever fathom.
Honestly, I don't see why aliens would eat humans. We think of food in that way, and mostly, it's the only way we think of feeding ourselves - and yet, we share our planet with sun-eating plants, for example... Aliens are maybe eating rocks. Who knows. It's just so absurd to confuse sci-fi with reality .
@@Heidi_137ну, вообще-то, учитывая культивированное мясо мы и человечину спокойно сможем есть, к тому же, учитывая что люди могут с согласия давать свои клетки, то это будет самый веганских вариант, и самый питательный, потому что человеку лучше всего по белку и тд. подходит плоть человека.
А этот мужчина на видео дискутирующий с Эдом по моему_ мнению немножко запутался. Легко думать что будет в экстренной ситуации и оправдывать этим свои привычки которые не самые лучшие. Просто большинство людей не веганы потому что большинство людей не веганы, мы социальные животные, поэтому конечно дискуссия это самый лучший способ переходя людей на веганство и люди не меняются под влиянием факторов люди меняются под влиянием других людей. Поэтому мужчине на видео я_ могу_ пожелать только веганского окружения и позитивных с ним коммуникаций.
@@Heidi_137и не нужно психофобии, психопаты просто люди которые немножко другие, а не неразумные дикие создания; я_ вот не чувствую эмпатии но это не мешает мне_ быть активистом за права растений и насекомых. А учитывая что большинство преступлений совершается психически здоровыми людьми я_ попрошу вас не называть каждого встречного который вас немного отталкивает, психопатом. Потому что возможно это будет для вас новостью но психопаты такие же люди как и мы все, просто немножко другие, они они могут иметь свои моральные ориентиры, и могут любить, могут не делать другим больно даже если они не чувствуют социальных обязательств по этому поводу. И опять же в пример я_ могу привести себя_. Может я_ не социапат но аутичный человек и аутисты во многом похожи на социопатов, могут идти против общественного мнения, и не выполнять приказы.
If god didn't want us to eat humans why are they made out of meat?
Yes!! 😆♥️
Excellent Logos.
This guy is in favor of cannibalism though 🤷
@@beruga Consensual though. Try to get a consent from an animal.
Ya he's definitely gonna get recruited by the Cabal. What a scrub@@beruga
These are the types of people that call vegans crazy
Mad isn’t it? His arguments are piss poor.
I don't call vegans crazy, I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I just choose to be an omnivore.
@@Rabbitzan We do get that we are extreme or whatever but it is improving. People are starting to understand us compared to years ago
@@36ELRIC That is good.
@@36ELRICI’m junk vegan, mainly pasta and bread very little fruit and vegetables(I’m getting better at that W Brussels sprouts) and cereal with almond milk. If I’m struggling financially I’ll go ramen or go vegetarian
he verbatim said “it’s up to people like you to educate us” and immediately regretted saying that out loud. the layers of cognitive dissonance lmao.
8:35 "why's that weird?" it's so funny when you let him debunk himself😆
🤣masterful
A caricature in real life.
Eh, he wasn't that bad after watching the whole video.
I’m not a fan of commenting about the people Ed is debating, but Jesus Christ this guy is an insufferable edgelord.
We all watched George Carlin and tried to do the ‘well, the world is doomed, so fuck it!’ thing when we were 14. Carrying that attitude into adulthood is just cringe.
@@JamesRofl George Carlin was one hell of a voice
Zombie umpa lumpa...
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What's phenomenal about Ed is how quickly he grasps whatever ideas or viewpoints the other person brings forward - no matter how outlandish they are. It takes a very empathetic person to immediately recognize someone elses (sometimes illogical) standpoint and roll with them in a way that is constructive rather than judgy
Ed, I appreciate how open-minded, calm and kind you are throughout these conversations. It's very effective.
Did this save anything or just entertainment for vegans
@@rondarkman.It likely inspires people watching to go vegan through the discussion of the arguments even if it doesn't convince the guy being interviewed
Don't mind me I troll for fun! I really support veganism and Ed is a fantastic speaker 😊
@@vkb63522
Naw prin still obsessed by me 😆 🤣
Why isit that non-vegans that say animals eat other animals do not think about other animals that DO NOT eat other animals? 🤦🏽♀️
Also 'animals eating animals' is the only morality they choose to take from the wild, not r*pe, cannibalism, killing their own children etc
@@jamesthompson9003 they're 🦁 lions so they should kill other guys babies to empower their own genetic pool
What animals might those be? I've seen videos of cows eating baby chickens. I've also seen a video of a pig licking up the blood of another pig that just had its throat cut. Most animals will eat anything if they're hungry. A cow does not have any moral qualms about eating other animals. It's just not convenient for them to do so.
@@MasterMoron Herbivores who don't have the digestive system to process animal products, perhaps? And even if all herbivores are just blood-thirsty carnivores who can't find any meat, what relevance does that have to human morality and the ethics of killing animals purely for their taste (with nutrition necessities nullified by modern plant-based diets?)
animals that are in captivity and facing trauma and murder everyday cannot be expected to exhibit natural behavior. and what we as traumatized humans consider 'normal' in this twisted world is far from natural.@@MasterMoron
I had a conversation with a friend who sounded just like this guy and I hung out with them a few times after that, but I just couldn't get past it. I didn't want to be friends with someone who argued so strongly against veganism with stupid points. I can be friends with non-vegans, but I can't be friends with people who go out of their way to argue against it.
My problem with him is not that he argues against it, it's that his arguments are stupid, self-contradictory, and absurd, and he KNOWS it and says so, and he STILL says them out loud. I could hang out with someone that I AGREED with if that was how he argued for what I believe in! It's just a firehose of nonsense, spouted off with such undeserved confidence. (He also has trouble just shutting up for a second, and when he does, he doesn't let anything penetrate his wall of absurdities. He just waits for the next opportunity to repeat the same nonsense that he acknowledge a minute ago was false, wrong, contradictory, and immoral. Run from people like this, even if they are vegans!
why?
@@CC-qv3miAgree with this. Had a whole conversation with an adult male, CEO of a company apparently, on LinkedIn who literally said “I accept this moral contradiction.” As in he knew he was in the wrong, kept arguing with the same argument I already debunked (he said it himself) and then in the end says “I don’t care, I accept the moral contradiction.” ????? I was genuinely so confused. Then he even used ageism and racism in his “arguments” so I just stopped talking to said person LOL. Had many conversations like this. No matter how polite or professional I stay, it always ends the same way. And I’m not an adult.
I would sleep with an eye open if I knew that guy in real life.
just wake up to dude buttering you with marinade
It's the way he licks his lips when I hop on my motorcycle.
🤣🤣🤣@@cIeetz
This guy is honestly so twisted that he doesn't know where his moral ground is. Kudos, Ed, for keeping a professional face.
@@Mattycakes1 Exactly. The eating human flesh is just a silly comment and he probably feels stupid about it now, and that's OK because young people tend to sometimes say stupid things. Lots of people here latch on the cannibal bit and forget about the rest: he admits that there's no good argument to eat meat. You won't get that from most omnivores, so there's hope.
@@carstenaltena I second that.
@@carstenaltena
If it's consensual, then surely there isn't anything morally wrong with eating human meat?
The problem with meat isn't that it's the flesh of an animal, it's that the consumption of meat normally necessitates harm being done to a sentient being.
@@xFriendlyNapalm Consensual, yes. But the idea is quite disturbing to most people. Like I said, I think he blurted it out without really thinking. Pehaps in an effort to be "edgy" or to shock Ed, I don't know.
@@Mattycakes1 If they have literally just had it cut off and are still high on anesthetic, then sure.
But if it is actually consensual (e.g. it was cut off, put on ice, and then they later consented to it being consumed), then there doesn't seem to be any moral issues with it as far as I can see.
Thank you for doing this stuff ed, you are changing the world
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 rubbish
@@rondarkman. jk I support vegans! 🙂
By "change the world" I assume you actually mean "get his own way"??
@@vkb63522 You need to see a psychiatrist mate
@@rondarkman., Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Well, at least his argument is an original one. If we have to continue on the God argument, then why did God give these animals feelings of pain, happiness, sadness, connection, suffering, misery? Why did that same God gave me, a basic human, the same feelings and made me realize veganism is the right choice because it is all about creating less suffering, more compassion? It can easily be argued that the reason why God made animals sentient is to test our compassion and respect...
And that's if you just grant his appeal to a god and try to work with it, because if you wanna press all the way, he'd need to demonstrate the existence of such god to begin with.
In any case, I get that it's easier to push for real change by just trying to work along with the person's already held beliefs, as stupid as they may be, instead of attacking them and go into an entire tangent that most likely won't budge at all. We can (hopefully) solve things later, when the more pressing matters are resolved...
Plus delectable plant based spices&sauces cover the unappetizing taste of uncooked meat
where does it create more compassion? does it create compassion in a wild pig that you dont eat their cousins with onions and fries? that s 1 thing that you dont want to create unnecessarily suffering for them as we are not cruel, but that is an other to not value their lives as much as humans.
"And drive safely of course." Omg Ed that had me cracking up! Haha 😂
"I have no morals, I'll just do what everyone else does". This is not someone to ever be on your own with!
😂😂😂 get a grip
@@rondarkman.get a grip with reality! Veganism is the future! Go vegan! 😄😄😄😄
As a vegan activist myself, it is honestly so disheartening and exhausting going through debates like this one. Talking to someone who acknowledges their contradictions, yet concluding that their lifestyle "works for them." Activism is exhausting, time consuming and at times, feels hopeless. I applaud you, Ed, for fighting for so long. We have to go out and do it. At the end of the day, the individuals that we reach who understand and stop contributing to animal agriculture because of us... that makes it all worth it ❤
Yes, it can be completely aggravating. Why don't people care?? And it's really not that hard, especially today. The plus side is that some people DO change when they learn the truth. I was one of those people.
@@WorldOfARandomVegan People do care. Vegans assume that people who eat meat don't care about animals. That couldn't be further from the truth. But, vegan activists don't offer any solutions. Vegan activists say that factory farms place animals in horrible conditions. Most people would agree that those conditions should be improved. But, vegans offer no solutions to improving the condition of farms. They just claim that people should not eat animal products, which is not a solution.
@@MasterMoronHow would you propose we “improve” factory farming conditions? No matter how much we improve it, the only and EASIEST option for improvement is to simply not consume animal products. Organic farming isn’t sustainable either, if we had 100% organic farming (which is STILL exploiting other animals unnecessarily) we would use up WAY too much land and food resources rather than having majority factory farming. I don’t agree; vegans do give solutions. But these solutions are often regardes as extreme. Is it extreme to simply not cause unnecessary suffering? Is it extreme to not exploit other sentient beings unnecessarily?
@@7yu00not eating animal products isn't a solution. If you went to a doctor and told the doctor your arm wasn't working and he told you to just stop using your arm you would seek a new doctor because he wasn't offering you any solution. If you go to a lawyer and told him that your ex wasn't letting you see your child and he told you to just not see your child you would go to a different lawyer because they are not offering a solution. If you were running an animal farm and you hired someone to make the farm more ethical and sustainable and they told you to stop producing meat you would fire them because they didn't offer any solutions.
@@MasterMoron That analogy doesn’t work unfortunately. Not eating animal products aka a well planned plant-based diet, does not impact your well-being, health or life in a negative way, assuming you live in a first- or second-world state like I do, such as Germany, the US, the Netherlands, you get it. The point is that we do things we don’t NEED to do. We don’t NEED to inflict pain and suffering on other sentient beings because there is an alternative: not doing it. Again, as I said, organic farming is not sustainable at all, if you were wondering about sustainability. The most sustainable way of farming is factory farming nowadays.
Thank you Ed for exposing this bizarre animal eating cult!
😂😂😂😂😂
@@rondarkman.vegans rule! 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Says the one whos actually part of a cult! We don't want anything to do with you hypocritical veganoids!
First minute of the conversation:
This guy: „I want to try human meat.”
*Me dialing 911*
I don't think this guy was being serious with that human meat comment. He was just trying to be snarky.
@@stevenmeyer9674Bro literally said its on his bucket list. It takes an irresponsible degree of charity to not take that statement as sincere.
@@Ceaseless_Cischargeya he even described how he would ask his friend who was baisicly on their death bed for their flesh.
Straight serial killer vibes
@@Ceaseless_Cischarge It was obvious from the beginning that he didn't take the conversation seriously until Ed treated him with a little respect. it was only then that his opinion, though incorrect, showed some thought process. If you think he was being serious when he said he wanted to eat human flesh , I will respectfully disagree.
@@stevenmeyer9674 You're welcome to disagree but I think it's naive tbh . Whatever you do please don't get too close to him thinking he wasn't serious. You might wake up on a hook in a shipping container. lol
It’s DISGRACEFUL how normalized a crazy person like this is in our society. He may seem nice but he’s a psychopath when it comes to his actions.
No empathy for animal suffering! Total psychopath wanting to eat human meat. Too bad he can't be locked away now before he becomes the next Jeffrey Dahmer...
i thought the same thing... i'm not in any position to diagnose anyone, but this guy sure shows some psycopathic traits, or fetish, to say the least.
@@JeanCarloms scary how common this mentality is
and you would agree that abortion and killing a fetus is totally ok. that is what s psychopathic.
My god get a grip
Holy hell, this dude is a fascinating casy study in just saying random shit that pops into his head and then trying to rationalize them afterwards. Also if he is thinking about eating humans regularly he needs to be on some sort of watch list.
“I want to try human meat.” Dude lost a shit ton of friends after this. Keep spreading positivity, Ed ✌️
Friends?
human meat is vegan if it's consentual
Unless his friends are psycho too.
@@stellehonig1541in the example of the motocycle accident the motorcyclist wouldn't have crashed by consent but by unpreferred accident
@@JasonNoto but once already done, the cyclist is consenting to the consumption of his flesh
He doesn’t actually answer questions. He just waits till Ed’s done asking and then says the first thing that comes to mind whether it’s related to the question or not.
The first guy really thought he ate with "why did god make them so tasty?". The most moronic argument I've ever heard 😂
He probably just learnt it and thought it was funny, a bit sad.
Personally, to me I smell the dead flesh and want to vomit, he must have lost his taste buds or eat super spicy to cover the taste of decaying flesh. Gross!!! But, that's me being ultra-sensitive to smells and taste.
This is the main argument of most meat eaters that don’t have arguments. It is the reason they eat meat, because of taste.
Props to Ed for being a real pro. I would have lost my focus in the first minute 🦵😬
Ok I finished the video and he is a very kind guy actually. Unhindged but kind at heart.
Yeah, that human meat thing would've had me walking away. I have no respect for that nut.
This guy would be a great card to use in "Carnist Excuses Bingo." 😂😞
Exactly what I thought 😂
No exuse just delicious animal abuse
@@rondarkman. just kidding! I hate animals abuse! GO vegan! 😊😊😊😊
@vkb63522
Nothing wrong with a bit of animal abuse
@vkb63522
Nothing wrong with a bit of animal abuse
"People", "man", "humans". Dude, speak for yourself and take responsibility for your own actions.
Great discussion Ed!
I might wake up one day and recognise that this life I am experiencing is just an absurdist nightmare with lunatics at every turn.
Maybe I am still coming down off that one epic shroom trip from several years back.
It's hard to say at times.
I’ve never done drugs other than weed and I’ve come to a similar conclusion.
@@bm.6349i started drugs because of that
Wow, that escalated quickly. Not even a minute in and it's already at "human meat". Big oof.
Cannibalism isn’t inherently wrong. In fact, humans can consent to being eaten so it’s less unethical than unethical than eating another animal, and actually ethical if the humans was vegan.
@plurabelle5no one said that lol
@plurabelle5I didn’t even accidentally imply that you could.
Honest respect to Ed for not using the very easy clickbait of “I want to try human meat”
Someone call the police on this dude lmao
Good point, video would have gone viral.
Funny thing is, it wouldn't even be clickbait.
Earling Ed, years ago your arguments made me stop eating meat. You are a great speaker. You made me a better person. Thank you.
Lol better person 😂😂😂
@@rondarkman.so odd that you spend your time trash talking vegans. But whatever man.
@lasset6053 .vegans greatest comedy source ever
@lasset6053 I was only kidding! I troll because I'm bored but I support vegans. I love Ed and we need more people like him 😊😊
The more he talks, the more he realizes his arguments don't make sense!
Why did my man just admit to being a cannibal 💀
He did. Because Satan is his daddy.
Not that he's a cannibal, but that he dreams about the opportunity to consume human flesh
oh that's okay then@@NoSmoke1
@@Brian-tu3gw I'm not excusing it 😂
It honestly sounds more unhinged imo
He wants aliens to come and eat his family also 💀
About eating human flesh: "We can all dream".
Erm, yeah, I'd like to dream about better things though? 😅 the most WTF moment of all time 🤯
"Maybe I am a little unhinged" I would agree that statement.
A LITTLE?
He's literally throwing every argument at you - clearly delving into a conscious thought he didn't know he had. And running out of excuses. Your ability to not laugh, keep cool and actually engage in dialogue is brilliant Ed!
30 seconds in and I'm proud to be vegan!!
I'm proud to bbq animals
I was only kidding! I'm a proud vegan too and I love BBQ tofu!
@@vkb63522
With animal products
what advantage vegan and non vegan?, all have sin and come short of the glory of God.
The diffusion of responsibility that people feel is so interesting. Around 8:15 when he’s saying everyone does it so the responsibility isn’t on each people, imagine a world where we all assumed responsibility. It’s like the bystander effect, when everyone thinks everyone else is going to call 911 or do cpr in an emergency, but then nobody does
Isn’t it the seasoning that tastes good?
Exactly. Ed should have asked him when was the last time he ate raw, unseasoned meat, if it's so delicious to him.
@mind5403if you just ate raw ass meat you’d find it gross lol
@@e.r.e.But there are raw vegetables that need to be cooked to release their full flavour too, like cauliflower or broccoli.
@mind5403 I remember before going vegan getting a whole bunch of chicken drumsticks and trying to put hickory BBQ sauce on them (which mostly melted off in the oven.) And I have never been more disappointed with a meal in my life. The meat itself is dull and kind of gross. The seasoning / batter / vegetable oils used to create tasty chicken has nothing to do with the meat, and I've found it tastes just as good on plant proteins
Meat with seasoning tastes better than vegan food with seasoning imo. Also, taste is subjective.
The argument that starts with the two words "if God" it's already invalid. Thank you for stopping by thou.
Truer words have never been spoken.
I think this guy just says the wild shit bc he gets a reaction. When Ed didn’t react it caused him to think about what he was actually saying a bit deeper. Bravo to Ed for always being calm.
my thoughts exactly. he is probably more used to people getting reactive after he purposefully uses inflammatory/shocking examples to divert attention from the actual topic at hand and consequently any accountability/responsibility on his part. pathetic.
The canine teeth always gives me the chuckles nowadays 😁
Ed, please keep up this work! You have moved me from vegetarianism to veganism and as a result 3 people around me and many on moving that way. It's a long road and I think you are the brightest light. I just wish I could engage in the conversations with such control, logic and questioning. Brilliant!
As a University of Arizona graduate that went vegetarian in college, and vegan a couple years after that, I'm incredibly embarrassed by this dude. I think even as he heard himself he started to realize just how unhinged he sounded, and had to try to back pedal a little. Thank you, Ed, for your clarity and patience in the interviews, always! If I ever catch you in person, I'll be fangirl-ing SO hard. 😅
If god didn't want me to strangle people why did he give me hands? This is a great and consistent argument that does not immediately fall apart in other contexts at all LMFAO
is this guy ok? 😂
Obviously not XD
He's a psycho.
Nah vegans are usually not ok
@@rondarkman.and by that I mean vegans are not ok with animal abuse and I agree! Go vegan! 😁😁😁😁
@@vkb63522oh girl u scared me for a sec 😭😭
It never ceases to amaze me the intellectual gyrations people will go through to avoid the obvious logical conclusions from premises they plainly accept.
Ed's poker face as he pretends to take seriously a guy who supports cannibalism is out of this world
Could you imagine being this guy's partner, friend, or family member? This MF would have no problem eating your leg after you passed away. 🤦🤦♂🤦♀
Can someone put this guy straight on to a watch list?! 😅
I appreciate everyone who approaches you to have a diologe
OMG I am speachless, well done Ed for being so calm.
I love listening to Ed speak, he’s like a sculptor or artist except his canvas is language ❤
Wow.. just wow.. Ed your patience beyond my ability to comprehend.. thank you for all you do 🙏💗🌱
Entertainment for vegans?
@@rondarkman. vegans are awesome! We need more vegans!
Recently I took part in a Cube of Truth and faced several times teens (10-15yo) and they were really close minded and didn't really care and when in groups it's even harder as they want to have a dominant role among their peers and don't want to be seen as weak. I would love to see how you would react in this kind of situation, with groups of young teenagers or teens who don't care and just enjoy their bacon sandwich.
Excellent video, as always. I really love how you always have the right thing to say at the right time without being on the critical side and while respecting people. Keep it up! Love your videos!
Bacon sandwich?
By bacon sandwich I mean vegan bacon! 🤤🤤
So basically, the guy (Moses) being interviewed in this video is saying, "I'm consciously aware and fully admit that murdering innocent, defenceless, child-like animals, just so I can eat their muscle flesh, is terribly cruel, inhumane, unethical, immoral, and simply wrong, but I'm going to keep doing it anyway." 🥴 Sadly, I don't hold out much hope for the future of humanity 😢
I have lost all hope completely at this point. We will never evolve sadly.
He doesn't murder animals though. He just buys meat from a grocery store. There is nothing immoral about buying a product.
@@MasterMoron is there anything immoral about buying explicit videos involving young children?
@@ieatomnivoresNo. There is not. The producer of such content would be immoral, not the consumer.
@@MasterMoron okay, great. So you don’t think buying CP is immoral. What if the human traffickers then put the child on the black market? Then is it okay if I buy that child? If not, would it make it moral if that child was killed first?
We're also animals and we taste delicious to predators too!
This nut doesn't care. He'd just happily be eaten.
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them so tasty?"
I think the better question is "Why do you put your faith into something that has no empirical proof of existence beyond a book written by anonymous authors, and build your flimsy moral compass around it?"
I would also like for somebody to answer this question, but with logic, truth and evidence
He talks about evolution and also believes in god😂😂What a contradiction
@@Blackpill149 It's easy for believers to just call god the cause of evolution or any other natural process. In fact most christians accept that evolution is a thing. Don't get me wrong it definitely is incompatible with a fundamentalist religious view but people are really good at squaring mental circles.
Its the plant based sauces and spices to cover the unappetizing taste and texture of uncooked meat. Plus Genesis 1 29 through 30 for that matter says how God completed creation when providing seed-bearing foods for All Creatures as their source of food which would be without predation / perdition
That was a "well, ya got me there! So I'm just gonna shamefully duck out and be on my way, see ya!" kind of ending to the discussion, huh. :P
Way to let someone know you're a psychopath within 30 seconds of meeting them.
Cope
It's natural to have thoughts like that, he's just a little more vocal about it lol
Thanks for your patience, kindness and knowledge Ed! You are an inspiration.
1:29 - the majority of animals are herbivores tho, and all the animals humans farm are herbivores
Denying the existence of lions, tigers, wolves, foxes, dogs, cats, dolphins, bears, and Seals, are you?
Boy. I love it when Vegan Jesus posts a new video!
Vegus!
I think Ed did have some fun with this guy 😂...After all Ed did laugh more in this episode than with the other interview partners...At least this guy was original and honest 😅...Although I would not like to meet him in the dark...or outside of a huge group of non-cannibals 😅.
"I live a life of danger and drive a car with no seatbelts so I'm justified in eating animals" lol cool man
1st 😁
I had ppl ask me that as well.
I just simply tell them it’s not d animals that are tasty it’s the seasoning, which is why we can make non-animal products taste the same
Yep “God” didn’t make them good tasting,the cook did
As vegans, I think we both know that's not true
Yes! Plant seasoning. Why don't they all stop using seasoning
@@spencerprice1676that is true for most foods actually. A lot of things can be even better if you really know how to cook. The most difficult part is usually the texture. Not taste.
@@binabiyes the texture of uncooked meat is also unappetizing
Ed, how are you doing this?
I could never ever stay so calm after hearing such words, that show how little someone cares about the suffering of others.
Cry more 😂😂😂
@@rondarkman.
What is your reason for not being vegan yet?
@@VLEO
Me? Prawns, lobsters, oysters, balmain bugs, barramundi, octopus shark, whale, bream, whiting, monk fish, Emu, kangaroos, horse, camel, goat, crocodile, deer, bison, ostrich, veal, baby pig, beef, chicken, duck, qauil, spatchcock, turkey, eggs, cheese , yoghurt, salami, bacon, shoes, lounges rugs hats medical experiments, horse riding,
@@VLEOI was only kidding! I troll because I'm bored. I am vegan and have been for a long time! Tons of delicious vegan food! 🤤🤤🤤
@@vkb63522
I don’t get your sense of humor.
I think it’s not funny to make jokes about the abuse and killing of individuals. Even if you are not part of it.
Maybe I'm a little unhinged... perhaps
_little_
His friends are never going to wear shorts around him again...
If God gave animals the ability to feel pain and wanted us to eat them then he is one sick sick God...
He did make a 600 year old pensioner build an ark , and destroyed the human race because he was upset his science experiments didn't work even though he was always going to know the outcome
@@rondarkman.to be fair I don't know what I'm talking about. GO vegan!!
the „you know“ counter exploded 😂
Since when did God ever say because something is pleasurable that therefore it alludes to his approval? Seems like almost the antithesis of God's traditional character.
You Say That From a Position of Safety - that was powerful
It really tied the whole conversation together. Dude was stuck in an imaginary scenario that hasn't ever occurred and Ed respectfully brought the debate back to reality
for real @@Nico5890
#VeganForLife ❤ 😊
I just read the title, and I immediately laughed out loud. This debate is going to be interesting 😂
The patience it takes to engage with such halfwits is profound indeed....Thanks for efforts Ed.
Damn, for now on every time I want to think of someone very dumb I will remember that dude.
45 seconds in and already can't take anymore. As much as I appreciate Ed, there is no point speaking reason to someone who can't comprehend it.
Yep and he will go home have a delicious animal meal 😂😂
@@rondarkman. You are less than garbage.
Ed I’m so grateful and proud of you for all you do. Thank you
“If God had meant for us to walk, why did he give us feet that fit car pedals?” - Stirling Moss
Well done 👏
You’re such a smart guy, in your questions, your delivery and your patience. It can’t be easy to sit there and not butt in every time they say something silly or contradicting. Almost like the tactic is giving them time to talk them into doom and having time to think about what they’re saying and doing.
Friendly calm approach helps make them feel relaxed and open to hearing new mindsets. Long lasting thoughts will be planted in there head and help them start the change. Well done
"I think cannibalism is alright"
A thought I've recently had that is a powerful thing to bring up when people feel like -if they stop eating meat, that they won't really cause any change to the overall picture: Let's say someone is 25 years old and they live to 85 and they eat meat twice a day. That equates to 36,400 animals that they will eat in their life time from then on. ONE PERSON. If we go from the time they are 5 years old to 85 that is 53,760!!
I find so annoying these bizarre loopy arguments, that's self indulgent and bs, it just shows that the arguments generated by Ed are so common sense and down to earth
Wow. I wasn't expecting the cannibalism chat to kick off so early.
i’m always so impressed by how quick Ed is with his responses. i never expect anything else from him. very high expectations for Ed, always.❤️
😂 doesn't stop the mass slaughter of animals ,just content so vegans can feel good about themselves
Welcome to Arizona, Earthling Ed. Hope your stay was good.
The canine teeth argument: I fell for this as a kid, but later on took a real look at human 'canines' and then took a look at those of carnivores like felines, canines, and so forth. Dude. If we are carnivores at all we are piss poor ones. Real meat eaters laugh at what we call our canine teeth. It's like that Australian guy comedy with a the gang guy and his little pocket knife the the Australian pulls out his outback bushwacker. It's absurd.
I am sitting in the lunchroom at work cringing as ppl talk about eating poor chickens! 😮😢 I'm eating my carrot hot dog, rice and beans and cuke tomato salad
The carrot dog is on a lentil wrap
It is your right to eat what you want and it is their right to eat what they want to eat.
Chickens like to be eaten it's their job
@@rondarkman.just kidding everyone! Chickens are my favorite animals and don't deserve to be eaten!
Courtesy and respect resulted in a positive discussion between Moses and Ed. Respect who you are having a discussion with, and you've made a friend.
The thing that comes to mind when I watch this is that this guy and many others just like him are going through the world making decisions with these huge gaps in their logic.
You can tell he never even considered that animals don't volunteer to be consumed.
He drives a car.
I'm expected to believe this person and others like him are rational beings.
Hard to believe so many people like him are freely walking around amongst us!! Scary 😧
To those that use that argument, try it without seasoning. Tofu also tastes like cartbord if you don't season it. A lot of things would taste like shit if you don't season it.
meat, for one
The delectable seasoning and sauces are palatably plant based not meat based
Fruit is delicious in and of itself and is a mutualistic exchange of spreading the trees fruit seeds plus garnering nourishment and sustenance
@@JasonNoto for the record i'm vegan myself; my point was about how meat tastes like nothing without plants to flavor it lmao
At 10:22 I could feel Ed wanted to slap some sense into the guy.
This is what happens when someone from reddit tries to use their highly-upvoted comments in real life, away from other cringe redditors. It was actually embarassing to watch these anti vegan talking points against someone as logical as éd.
Welcome to Arizona Ed!
Ed with the swagger!
How could he swagger when he was sitting down? Swagger means an arrogant way of walking. Swag means stolen goods.
I like how every one of these people says that we should do everything we can to minimize harm to the planet and to animals, but none of them actually try to do anything. The internet has made people believe that "supporting" a cause amounts to saying you support it and nothing else.
Everyone's gangsta about meat until they see how it's made.
Not really I shoot a lot of kangaroos and wild boar and process them myself
Kidding! I love Australian animals! GO vegan!
Everyone is gangsta until they realize you have to kill a fucking animal to put steak on the table
2:43 "sentiment beings" lol