Neil deGrasse Tyson on righteous vegans
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Do you know what the only two foods on the planet that don't cause any death are? Spoiler alert, it's not plants. In today's video I respond (again) to Neil deGrasse Tyson's utterly bewildering thoughts about veganism. Unfortunately his views around veganism are becoming more and more absurd, and his cognitive dissonance is really being turned up. #NeildeGrasseTyson
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Do you know what the only two foods on the planet that don't cause any death are? Spoiler alert, apparently it's milk and honey. In today's video I respond (again) to Neil deGrasse Tyson's utterly bewildering thoughts about veganism. Unfortunately his views around veganism are becoming more and more absurd, and his cognitive dissonance is really being turned up.
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t is always useful to see from another perspective how wrong yours is.
I wonder if it would be possible to engineer a plant to produce complete food without dying in the harvest. Technically, grapes and other vines and trees already do it but following his logic it's still their seeds so it would need to be some kind of nectar that just drips off of the plant. That'd be cool as hell!!
i cant beleive his logic is so bad. how can he write book sithc such low iq? neil is great energy to explain space.. but dayum his logic and knowledge of mathetmatic and sentience about earth sufferign is astronomicly surprisingly idiotic
@pro-vegananti-nasa544
well, not my best, silly, just warming up
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
I'm having a hard time believing Neil is even serious 😂😂 I am so embarrassed for him.
It was so much cringe, I was even waiting for him to quit with the hypothetical examples at some point becauase it was real nonsense 😅😂🤣
He is desperately trying to justify eating meat and dairy…
@@drmarkrieke It's more like he's trying to debunk pro vegan arguments. He doesn't have to justify meat eating, it's universally acceptable.
@@drmarkriekemental gymnastics
Vegans: We should stop causing unnecessary suffering.
Neil: WHAT IF PLANT ALIENS SAW US EAT SALADS?!?!?!?!
That makes God angry.
ahahahaha
🤣🤣🤣🤦♂
I read thiz whilst i was watching the video and it wasn’t at the point yet where he said that. And i thought, lol no wat he said that this is completely pulled out of context.
But no, he said it exactly like that
Wtf haha
🤣🤣🤣
The segment about the plant aliens freaking out at vegans eating plants has to be one of the weirdest and worst points against veganism. How on earth is this man a serious, well respected intellectual?
People's brains always melt when it comes to veganism. Besides the inanity of the idea that plant aliens would be freaking out about us eating plants, why does he think the sexual reproductive parts of the plant exist? The flowers, the fruit, the vegetables? Does he think they grow and exist for the sheer wonder and joy of it? What does he think nectar and seeds are? How does he think almost all plants reproduce? Asexually? In a bubble uncontaminated by other creatures?
@@MarlaSingersCancer also the obvious point he missed that we always have to remind people. Based on energy transfer multiple times more plants need to be killed to eat meat than if you just eat plants directly. So the people eating animals are killing way more plants
Absolutely! At that point, I was waiting for his plot twist saying he's vegan himself and pointing out all the ridiculous arguments carnists make. With the plant aliens story he was basically describing how barbaric carnists are when they buy meat...seriously, how can he not see his hypocrisy!?
He isn't for anyone with actual discernment. He's just a scientiest that happens to be heavily promoted by the mainstream media, that's all. There's nothing even remotely remarkable about him. There's thousands of scientists far brighter and more accomplished than him, they just happen not to get the same exposure because exposure in media isn't determined by any real merit.
That's why I wouldn't call him an intellectual. A scientist, yes. And a good one. A communicator, also yes, very good at inspiring people and explaining science to the layman. But not an intellectual.
I wasn't prepared for the ridiculousness level of neil's arguments when I started watching this video
He should stick to what he's good at - cosmology.
yooooo same!!!
Someone should point out to Neil the wise quote from the famous Physicist Richard Fineman-
"The easiest person to fool is yourself!"
@@PerpetuallyAnnoyed He's not good at that
@@EseLyx I was trying to be charitable lol
Neil is so used to being the most intelligent man in the room that he's lost the ability to ask himself if he might be wrong.
Cause he knows he isn't. He isn't wrong. If a 13 year old boy knows he's wrong. If your older than me there's something wrong with you.
He has always been like that. He may be a genius in his field but when he starts arguing with people on ANY OTHER subject, it's painful to watch. 🤦♀️
That's actually exactly what i was thinking about
& books smart and the ability to study and recall information doesn’t make you logical or reasonable
@@mizz308mmm physics is not about memorization, but logical reasoning (that being said, not everyone uses logical reasoning in every aspect of their lives).
It's surprising how many people suddenly give a toss about plant life the moment their conscience starts knocking
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
no, you missed the whole point. Neil was saying ALL of it is ludicrous and taking any stance is illogical and inconsistent. There's no need to justify anything when we can do whatever we want.
@@danytalksmusic Which is an insanely stupid take. So since there is no need to justify it would be morally okay for me start harassing or murder people? Or torture humans and nonhuman animals?
Why try to stop people raping each other? You can't stop all rape so why even bother to try?
If he really thinks that then he just lost the last inch of respect left from me what a loser mentality is that
@@blacksuitedsonic We are the first species to entirely escape the food chain so we have the right to do as we wish. We invented morality so we can define it however we want.
@@danytalksmusic you my friend can believe whatever you want to believe in order to stay disconnected, yes that is your free will to do so and I will continue to know on a soul level, that to feel the suffering of others within my heart is true conscienceness and comes from a higher place that the ego ignorance of man can longer comprehend.
I never thought I would lose brain cells listening to Neil Degrasse Tyson speak, but here we are.
It is truly bad. When I hear hater spitting such nonsense, at least I know he's hating and can't form a proper argument. It's even more said with Neil, because he's trying to sound intellectual and is considered one, yet he spews such BS.
@@Bl4ckheart Yeah it's such a big contrast to when he's explaining astrophysics.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Exactly how I felt too.
lol! exactly! :D
Neil being that kid in class who never does the assigned reading but loves talking in the seminars.
THIS
Like asking ChatGPT to write an essay on why veganism is bad for environment.
Exactly
😂 Spot on.
dang
Vegans: we should stop needlessly slaughting innocent, sentient beings
Neil: what if the world was made of pudding?
..and it was sentient
...and trapped in your basement.
....and was emotionally supported by sentient space pudding.
...and then aliens arrived on our planet and they were all spoons
@@Faith_Soprano this parody is SOOOOO deserved. I hope that fool is ashamed.
Hi ed, I am a 'vegetable alien', and I wanted to say thank you for all you are doing. We love you, you are our hero.
What is your space ship made of???
@@alexwurmbrand-officialmusi1460meat
@@alexwurmbrand-officialmusi1460Er... duh... Star Fruit...
Edit:- To clarify. Sarcasm, den Einai wanting it to get lost in translation
😅😅😅😅😅
I have been an activist for 3,5 years, I have spoken and debated more than 700 people from all backgrounds including scientists... and I have never seen arguments as ridiculous, ignorant and dumb as those ones. This is really a mind blowing thing to see from a respected scientist, I can't believe what I'm hearing...
I’ve never heard something so stupid in 15 years of veganism!! It was soo cringe hearing him refer it to infanticide!! When they’re actually stealing and killing calves on the daily 🤯🤯🤯
True, it feels like a joke to call him an intellectual or an educator after spewing all this nonsense.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
sometimes when people feel extremely cornered, they will say the most crazy things, right?
But Neil is just saying crazy shit without "provocation". Just talking about veganism is enough to have him argue irrationally - he can not even talk about it!! 🤯
The average person is able to talk about it, (from my experience), but this man is totally unable to! 🤯
in principle, the more ridiculous and weaker the argument, the easier it is to construct a rebuttal. since your rebuttal is evidently absent, I think his argument is not so ridiculous as you initially believe
Wow, I am honestly shocked. I had no idea deGrase Tyson was capable of such irrationality. I've always admired and respected him very much. I'm stunned ...and disappointed.
Yeah.
I remember a man once said, "People like finding excuses outside of themselves to account for their reprehensible behavior."
- Neil deGrasse Tyson
JRE #1658 @2:55:50
haha this is brilliant - thank you for pointing this out :)
How ironic, lovely!
@@ddpwe5269 indeed it is. That quote has stayed with me ever since he uttered it
@@CreamColoredFlower absolutely! I wish the clip of him saying it was on YT
This should be pinned lmao
I am disgusted by the ignorance of a man I once admired. Good thing I admire folks like Ed now.
you admired this guy that's funny
Agree. I suggest to go to his IG and make the same comment directly to him.
It's not all black and white. You don't have to agree with someone on everything to admire them. Yes Neil had shown that he is a complete ignorant about this topic, but you can still learn A LOT from him on other topics.
@@asmidris377 As a mathematician he also said a lot of wrong things about mathematics (for example on Joe Rogan).
And it's not just a little wrong. Completely made up things.
For example he gave a number (3 oder 6 or whatever) of how many cardinal infinities there supposedly are (the real answer is there are "infinitely many" cardinal infinities). I don't know where he got that number from. It's wrong. I have never seen that mistake in my life before and he presented it as an amazing fact.
I would not advise learning from him.
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos Yes, it does seem like his ability to fact check himself is so terribly inept that to trust him on most topics would be ill-advised.
It isn’t necessary to agree with a person on everything to be able to learn from them. BUT when a person has a habit of confidently spewing false information, everything they say has to be called into question.
I’ve been vegan for 17 years and it still astonishes me how fast people are to completely dodge the argument. 5 years ago the “what about plants suffering” argument was the final Hail Mary last ditch effort. Now it’s the first thing people bring up because they don’t want to engage in any serious critical thinking at all.
"Vegan lifestyles cause the deaths of fewer plants than non-vegan lifestyles so if you cared about plants you'd go vegan" shuts that down really quickly.
@@Ranger1812 Nice.
How about other animals eating each other. A lion eating a gazelle alive is probably pretty painful. Why aren't vegans trying to stop this? Are all animals suffering not equal?
@Ben Lovegood I think the point is that since eating plants is still causing death and pain to plants, the vegans didn't really think this all the way through.
@@makeit784 Humans and lions are different animals. The motives and justifications for their actions are completely different.
All life is equal. That doesn't mean all actions are justified. That's a false equivalence.
Every vegan is aware that plants and fungi die. That's news to no one. And there is no conformation that plants feel pain, but, as I said, if they did, vegan lifestyles cause less death and pain of plants than non-vegan lifestyles, so that's an argument in favour of veganism no matter if their feeling pan is true or not.
This is a nice reminder that having intelligence in one field doesn't mean you're an intelligent person
i absolutely agree.
It never ceases to amaze me how otherwise smart people utterly fail to apply their intelligence to certain topics.
It's all about what they want to understand better, and the things they would rather not explore
@pro-vegananti-nasa544 Yeah as we all know the earth is a round diskshape accelerating upwards at a certain speed sitting on top of a giant turtle :)
Neil really is a stupido
Eric dubay all day 💪🌱 this world is not what you think it is - bobby ray
Immorality will do that to you
R'amen :)
I feel kind of embarrassed on Neils behalf... but it is very educational to see that even intelligent scholars can be very very very wrong because of confirmation bias.
He is not an intelligent scholar. He is an actor and charismatic. He is a sales man.
Intelligent scholar on what planet?
If Neil De Grasse Tyson is not considered intelligent, then you two must be considered borderline retarded. The man has a PH.D in astrophysics from Princeton University. Having a bad opinion/argument does not make you less intelligent, it makes you a ordinary human. We all have stupid opinions.
He writes books and gives talks on "pop science" to the general public. I don't think he's ever actually makes discoveries or does research like a real scientist does per se.
@@Empathy4Animals411, on that same planet plant aliens that are super-intelligent and have mastered interstellar travel come from.
I think this confirms that Neil is certainly not a genius.
It confirms that people should talk about stuff they understand.
It confirms this quote: “The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.”
Whenever ppl talk about veganism, the non-vegans automatically sound like a dummy
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
He's an astrophysicist. Knows about space and that's it really.......
The bit about plant aliens is just incredible. Using his own special analogy just replace his plant aliens with a spaceship full of cows, imagine the horror that they'd find on Earth. What an absolute tool.
The only tool here is you and the rest of you vegans. We've hunted animals all throughout humanity. Our ancestors just eat it when can't you?
The most ridiculous thing about this argument (and there are so many, it's hard to choose) is that you literally don't have to use your imagination at all and come up with theories about aliens because animals are literally here for real and are experiencing it!
What would pigs or cows tell you if they could speak?
God, this guy is completely nuts.
This is a perfect example to observe people who are at the top of their respective field and how they over reach their intellectual competence.
🤣 This comment is gold!!!
Stick to the stars, Neil.
Well put
This guy is more of a celebrity than a scientist...He is Pop scientist..Trust me he is not at the top of his field (. People like Martin Rees are). This guy has SOME contribution to astronomy but his much greater contribution is to Popularization of science.
This is exactly what I said to my wife. Why is he talking about veganism? Stick to your fucking planets and stars, Tyson.
I would LOOOVE to see a face to face discussion between Neil and Ed 🤩
Neil would be ☠️☠️☠️
Yes, that would be awsome.
@@karaokenglish I love when astrophysicists use their authority/platform to write about things that they have no clue about. It's all science, right? De Grasse in this case is just a bothered carnist. This is truly a conversation about the choice of lifestyle, not the academic study.
@@karaokenglish pretty sure I can take on Neil in debate and I'm just a regular dude. He clearly hasn't put much thought behind this. He sounds like the many dumb carnists we argue with online that rage quit cause they can't handle being wrong
It's insane how shallow his views are on this topic.
I've also done a short video breakdown of his "hot takes".
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
but aliens
I very rarely comment on UA-cam videos and only do so when I really want to express an opinion or in this case, a fact. Earthling Ed, I wanted to say that you are honestly one of the most eloquent and articulate speakers I've listened to - both online and face-to-face. I also believe the tone with which you speak and your calm demeanour adds quite a lot of influence to your arguments and criticisms. Amazing stuff! Keep doing what you do. 🎉🎉
Nah he is too gay
Neil on veganism is always cringe
Average carnist
Neil on anything except Astrophysics is made for smooth brain watching.
@@master0fnone Yep, he is pathetic as a philosopher, and it shows in his ethics.
Neil is generally a pretty frivolous person who is only taken seriously because he’s articulate and a professional in a culturally romanticised area. No one would be paying and pawing for his opinions if he were a dentist or a chef.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Wow, that is one person I didn't expect to use the "bUt yOu eAt PlAnTs" argument. Bottom of the barrel of anti-vegan arguments.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Imagine spending all that time WRITING A BOOK about it!
He just proved the lengths he will go to avoid having to listening to anything else than his own voice.
The fact that he is a physicist doesn't mean he is smart , this is excellent proof how unbelievably stupid all his arguments were, in fact , embarrassing and painful to hear . . He is obviously disconnected from his heart
like many so called "smart "people are...Ed , you are brilliant and so very patient , so inspiring . I learn from you what it means to have patience in the face of most outrageous claims . Thank you !
Same goese for Programmers, computer scientist and any other kind of scientist. Just because you are competent at yout job, doesn't mean you're smart.
Agree. I suggest to go to his IG and make the same comment directly to him.
Absolutely true!! perhaps this is an example of the dun and Kruger effect
He's extremely ignorant (wilfully) on everything to do with philosophy and ethics.
Not a ndgt quote but if you think scientists are smart, consider these quotes by Michio Kaku:
In science we always say you make observations, you have a theory, you can make more observations, and it's a very, very tedious process. Wrong. Nobody that I know of in my field uses the so-called scientific method. In our field it's by the seat of your pants, it's leaps of logic, it's guesswork.
There is a crisis in cosmology. Usually in science if we're off by a factor of 2 or a factor of 10, we call that horrible. We say 'something's wrong with the theory, we're off by a factor of 10!' However, in cosmology, we're off by a factor of 10 to the 120. That is 1 with 120 zero's after it. This is the largest mismatch between theory and experiment in the history of science!
Thank you. Your videos made me vegan. Love from India!!!! Your activism in UK made me feel like same things may also happen in India. I researched and found that they do. I just followed my logic and my heart. I came accross veganism a couple of years ago but became a vegan only at the age of 26. I have never consumed meat or eggs as I was a dairy consuming vegetarian for my whole life. In India being a vegan is so DAMN easy. We have a culture of cooking with all these spices and we eat veggies with roti (tortilla). I just had to eliminate ghee, butter and milk or milk products. What held me back was the doubt regarding b12 supplements. Not anymore tho. Took me some time to be a vegan and never never never going back.
Thank you from India
Indian food has been such a blessing as far as delicious vegan options go. So thankful for it.
Thank you.
@@mauryagupta6024 I appreciate the sentiment a lot. The thank you is a motivation booster. However, this is for the animals. So, thank yous are not necessary. Nice to know that my becoming a vegan struck a cord with someone.
Dude are you me(also indian)? Was a lacto/ovo vegetarian all my life. Thanks to youtube (especially ed) Went vegan at 25! If only there was someone who explained to me how we obtain these dairy products, would have went vegan right at that moment!
So eating a blade of grass is the same as eating a deep fried kitten. 🌱🐱
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
No, you haven't been listening. It's worse, apparently.
@@TheCrimsonPope 😂
😂😂🤣🤣
Eric dubay all day 💪🌱 this world is not what you think it is - bobby ray
I no longer feel badly about the nonsense I spewed at an interview today.
🤣This comment section is Fabulous!! thx for the laugh🤗🤗
The plant alien argument was new. Has been a long time since that I heared an "argument" against veganism for the first time. Absolutely hillarious😂
Smart people are good at coming up with the most bizarre and original 'arguments' against veganism.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
It was the old "what about the plants?" but with aliens
Same haha
When i was a teenager i believed NDT was just fantastic, i gobbled up everything the man said on every platform and felt super cozy about it, "look at all this stuff i know". Turns out he's full of it.
Some things Neil said were good. But Neil was arrogant in this vegan take. People aren't smart in every topic.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c oh don't deny that he's a smart guy, and has many insightful and eye-opening things to share. His area of expertise however has near zero intersection with food and ethics. And his arrogance shines through regardless of the topic he speaks on.
I feel like Neil is just making excuses, mainly through using dishonest and weak arguments. He'll conjure up any scenario to continue his ways.
Imagine if aliens made of meat came to earth and see people eating people like them! Imagine rock based life looking at humans mining their fellow rock friends! Lmao
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
I agree, he is making low effort arguments. The number 1 cause of CO2 levels, deforestation, and mass ocean pollution is tied to the animal product industry.
Oh I want to watch but listening to him gives me that much second hand embarrassment. What an undeducted flog
@@Dindonmasker yeah, plants from a different planet that not only have vision, but can talk, and build and fly spaceships....I mean, c'mon Neil !
(Those are not plants !)
Damn Neil Degrasse Tyson sounding as insane as Kanye. The lengths that he has to go to, to find justifications for his meat-eating habits is probably he most I've ever seen.
Hahahahaha so true
Trees, bushes, and vines: *grow sweet, vibrant fruit in hopes that a bird or mammal will eat it and disperse their seeds*
Neil DeGenerate Tyson: "Milk and honey are the only things people can eat without causing suffering"
Then there's always plastic.
He has no idea milk and veal (baby cows death) go hand in hand. Ugh so frustrating
Also, you would need 1 WHOLE cup of honey to get only 1 gram of protein 🤣 what a FN joke.
Until they come across starlings or hogs
this doesn't account for the fact that there are plants that use defenses (chemicals to disrupt digestion) to protect against herbivores.
“…bees don’t like when you steal their honey, but they can probably make more…”
~ Neil Tyson
2022
Well he’s not wrong I guess
Hahahaha
@@islowthingsdown A thief using this as defence wouldn't be wrong either, or a child kidnapper to a mother, so there's that.
@@Vgang101 Yeah, although I would argue there’s a pretty big difference between stealing a child and stealing a material object. I’m also not entirely sure bees have much of a sense of justice or get angry at things.
Yeah, bees probably produce a surplus so they can sell it on the free market or something. They aren't making it to just survive. They got that grindset mindset.
It’s mind blowing how a man that’s positioned himself as one of the soundest minds and supposed to be not only of excellent judgement but an example of logical thinking (he literally has a ‘masterclass’ on logical thinking) is making a fool out of himself with inaccurate, biased, unchecked, directly false statements and even fallacies 🥶 thank you for your sound mind, judgement and pitch perfect logic, argumentative and debate skills!
I know, it sounds mental. If someone wrote what he said down, then told people that Tump had said it, everyone would be laughing at how stupid the arguments are.
That's just the character he plays on tv for money.
I would expect better from potheads who dropped out of college
you have an idea of what you believe life is, Neil is pointing out you are basing life on your own perspective. Or are you actually saying plants are not alive?
His point is that he believes plants are living organisms the same as animals. That he doesn't see one life as objectively different from another based on sentience. Not that I agree with him but you missed his actual point. He sees anything reproducing as living and life consumes life to continue on.
I can't believe I once respected this guy
Same. Ugh.
Same. Oh my god. I can’t believe this video at all.
I still respect this guy for expertise in his field and ability to explain things. Hopefully he'll change his view on this topic in future.
Maybe you need to stop seeing people as perfect or completely flawed, and understand that everyone lives somewhere in the middle. You can respect certain parts of what people say and believe, and disagree with others. He's a great communicator and great at spreading the love for science. And he clearly sucks at his vegetarian/vegan perception and opinions. And yes, it's not nice to straw man the vegan's views and his views on this are, at least, very weak.
@@FaustoFonseca Agreed.
It's so clear he just needs to justify his own consumption in any way possible... he will make whatever argument is necessary in order to reduce the logical guilt he probably feels deep down.
No your just salty that we are normal and your not. We've hunted and killed animals for years.
... believe it or not, but people who eat meat don't make it their whole personality like vegans tend to do. He isn't just grasping at straws like a lot of vegans do to make it seem like everyone else are horrible abominations of nature to justify to themselves that they are the civilized ones. You're just making yourself look like one of those stubborn, unreasonable, closed minded, crazy vegans that no one in there right mind would like. If you're going to criticize someone, at least be objective about it and not speculative at best.
Guilt what are you talking about? 😂If we felt guilty we wouldn't eat meat, your the one that's illogical
It's simply incredible... what he says; I can only say that I'll never be able to watch the version of Cosmos that he's in, as I simply cannot view him in the same light as I once did. How he can string his thoughts together and actually believe that they are going to hold-up as a viable argument is simply breathtaking, and he's written this shite in a b o o k! Even more extraordinary.
listening to Niel causes me physical pain and suffering
Eric dubay all day 💪🌱 this world is not what you think it is - bobby ray
The fact that he can't (or won't) concede that the difference between a plant and an animal is consciousness, the ability to feel emotion and pain, truly astounds me. He sounds unbelievably stupid while thinking he's sounding incredibly profound.
Proof that plants feel is that they're made of the same chemicals you are made of.
@@jean-chritophedesjarlais8435 You're either trolling or using fallacious reasoning. Assuming the latter, I'll let you in on a secret: it's not the chemicals that make a person, but their arrangement. Plants have different arrangements of chemicals that don't display any evidence of consciousness (even if they react to stimuli).
@@stewartmoore5158 may I ask what is a display of consciousness? And I understand better with examples, so could you please provide one example?
"Aliens though"
~Neil Degrass Tyson 2022
I'm not vegan but after listening to Neil's meatheaded nonsense I've decided to go vegan! 😂 Well, thanks Neil and thank you, ed for this one.
Really??? Good for you 😊
I am a Muslim and the Quran also mentions that God has blessed us with Cattle for our benefit. I have however still decided to become a Vegan as there is a big difference between use and abuse and if Animal Agriculture is having such a negative impact on our Planet and the Animals are no longer respected then one should not think twice and turn to becoming a Vegan for the love of God, his Planet and of course the Animals.
Thank you Ed for all that you do, the World needs more People like you.
God bless you
Exactly. Not one religious text says humans MUST eat animals and animal products, the most any says on the matter is that they are there if you need them. But my suspicion is most people haven't read the texts they follow thoroughly, if at all.
Glad that you're a vegan. Pity that you're irrational when it comes to belief in a sky daddy.
if quran says that cow are just there for consumption, islamophobia doesnt exist, and terrorists do have a religion
God bless 🙏💚
Lol you're not Muslim . Veganism says killing animal is wrong where allah says he has made certain animals for you to eat
Neil is always trying to make himself sound smart and say vegans are ignorant because they don't fully think about their position while ironically never getting the full scope of the vegan equation.
Neil is wrong. it is not true that some vegans are ignorant. all vegans are ignorant
Psychological projection and Dunning-Kruger effect in full swing
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Not getting the full scope ? He's not getting even the utter basics.
@@ConsciousBrosCommunity the hilarious thing about the Dunning-Kruger effect is that the people who name drop it are generally the ones affected by it most....
Neil's argument mid-way through: "If plants from another planet could see (had vision), and built spaceships, and came to earth..."
C'mon Neil, you gotta be kidding! Gimme a break!
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
That’s a lot of hoops he had to jump through to justify himself eating tuna…. A simple, “because it taste nice and I want too” would’ve been more honest.
Plants building spaceships! They can't even move!
Then they'd be classified as animals lol. If they did photosynthesis maybe they'd be classified as some weird hybrid in a class of their own, very far away from the plants we know. There actually are a few animals that can do photosynthesis after consuming the chloroplalsts of algae. They're still animals, they haven't become categorized as plants.
@@636theofthebeast8 yes good point. We all were once single cell creatures in the early days of the earth. If plants evolved somehow to be sentimental, they would not classfy themselves as the same plants as we know.
Also. Any creatures with a brain knows every animals need to eat other bio-forms to live. The point of veganism is not 'never kill life froms' but 'We can avoid killing sentimental animals for foods scientifically.'
Thank you Ed. I have your book. I am a member of a few vegan and ethical groups in nyc. I wish I could say they were as thoroughly informed as they could be. Please come and speak here. I am certified WFPB vegan food coach really just to be better informed and to help people’s health but you cover the whole topic so well. Please keep going. Thank you for saying everything so well. I’m learning so much on how to hold my own in conversation.
These are the arguments of a person lying to themselves so they can continue doing what they're doing without feeling guilty.
Why does no one challenge him on this? Frustrating that he speaks confidently and no one says anything vs his arguments
Because he is a "genius". He is an arrogant asshat. He is brilliant, but in his field. He thinks everyone wants to hear his thoughts on everything, and they're always "um ackshually..." type personality thoughts.
Lol the way he talks like he’s talking to kids is the most pitiful thing. Every podcast or video he’s just acting like a teacher trying to make you feel dumb because “he’s so smart”
On his show Stephen Colbert did respond to Neil saying, "What I'm hearing is either save them all or save nothing," which has been the only pushback, to Neil's face, I have heard yet. "Neil deGrasse Tyson Uses Aliens To Make Points About Our Human Perspective" @3:23
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
I suspect he actively avoids giving interviews to anyone he thinks might actually push back on his views, preferring to stick to ecosystems that he knows are supportive. His arguments are so facile, its clear he has never had them challenged, and that he has no interests in honestly exploring even the arguments he has himself made. It's sad from someone who gets so much airtime and who portends to be a rational thinker who is open to new information changing his views.
Applause to you for being able to get through Neil's entire video and responding calmly and intelligently. Bizarre how little Neil knows about production of milk or honey.
I admire you, Ed, that you can watch such drivel, and then answer the points one by one. It makes me so nauseated that I would have little patience and composure to do the great work you do. Thank you. 🙏
Man I never really thought of Neil as a super bright guy, more a really enthusiastic “I f**in love science blogger”, but this makes it sound like his whole career was granted to him as a make a wish gift or something.
I’d love to see Ed debate the subject with Neil deGrasse Tyson. I’m sure Ed would run circles around Neil’s insanely dumb arguments.
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson's argument are so stupid I can't believe he is so intelligent in one aspect and so dumb in another.
NDT wouldn't let him get a word in. He loves the smell of his own farts
@@drestarman Hey! I like the smell of my own farts too, that does not mean you are not a person who won't lett you speak. 😜
Ok, ok. Some of my farts really smell bad, but some are actually ok'ish.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
yeah I would love that as well, but hypocrites like this would never dare to openly discuss a topic they know they would lose. they only invite people that continue to help them stroke their own egos and Neil would obviously be a complete ding dong if he isn't aware of the nonsense he is proposing. I mean, he still is because he's comparing slitting the throat of a child with cutting a carrot, but there are grades I guess. if he has at least a pinch of genuine feelings and honor in his bones then he would accept such a discussion with ed. hardly doubt that though, because again: this dude is comparing slicing a windfall apple with cutting off the head of a calf
Extraordinary how far a person will go into a hypothetical, to justify their own actions.
Yeah. Massacring humans would be justified too if necessary. "It's the way it's supposed to be."
It feels like your videos are the only ones I actually listen to the advertising in them! Well done, this way helps everyone out. I’m going to click your link and start using abilion 🙌🏻
Um actually Neil, what if a sentient alien milk and honey species visits earth and sees us murdering all this milk and honey?
Lol well said
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Not a proper analogy but ok
@@islowthingsdown Well what if the aliens are bees and cows, which they kmow to actually be sentient (compared to Earth's plants)
Yeah, absurd. "They know nothing about animal, bit they know about plants". So his argument is ignorance? At least he'a consistent.
This is what happens when a physicist improvises himself as an ethicist. And the confidence and authority of his tone!...
That's how he talks about anything and everything. He suffers from a severe case of megalomania and thinks he's the ultimate authority on all areas and aspects of life.
Funny how Neil doesn't have these conversations with vegans
In all fairness, he had this discussion with a vegan once : ua-cam.com/video/zT9Xv7pHG_4/v-deo.html
i lost it when he used aliens as an argument 😂
Tyson: elite level physics, pre-school level biology.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
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Eric dubay all day 💪🌱 this world is not what you think it is - bobby ray
I agree.
"Xx xy chromosomes aren't sufficient. Sometimes we wake up and feel 80% male and 20% female"
"Slaughtering baby carrots = UNACCEPTABLE. Slaughtering baby cows and baby chickens = TOTALLY COOL." - Neil deGrasse Tyson. SuCH amAzInG LoGIc.
Carrots = not delicious , cows = delicious simple as that
I'm honestly like.. I don't understand anything he is saying lol.
@@Aristogeiton367 brain fog will do that to ya
@@martynveele441 Sure, raw beef without any seasoning is much tastier than carrots 🙄🤡🤦🏻♂️
@@AaronVets ever eaten Lamb kibbeh ? It is much tastier than carrots. Raw lamb meat. Same can be done with beef too
”It even says so in the bible” wow Neil just wow
He obviously doesn't know what the Bible says.
What can recognize pain is the crux of the argument? As for the Bible, it's all a s..t argument to believe in a God; we are designed to feed off of each other (many species will never be just vegan, if at all).
Astrophysicist backs up religious texts but empathy, oh no! That's too philosophical. Science doesn't exist nomore.
Maybe there's a science bible? That only prestigious science boys know about?
the fact we have been eating both for 2000 years at least, based on a book, not that it has any truth to the book.
Well said Ed. Astounding how someone like Neil can be well educated in areas of science, and yet oblivious to the basic consequences of animal agriculture. As for his alien spiels, the guy's losing the plot 😆
Animals feel pain and we don’t need to eat them. That’s science.
But we have the authority to
@theweekendtrapper4805 Plants don't feel pain. We need to eat something so plants are the best option.
@@readysoldier6799 I have the authority to assault your girlfriend.
@@PauIdenino You have the physical capacity not the authority. there's a difference
Right. It’s not that tough to follow.
It's sad to see how even incredibly smart people give in to ridiculous mental gymnastics just so that they can say "...and that is why I can go on eating animal products"
Now I am not so sure he is incredibly smart.
Would be so good to see Neil intellectually humbled in a debate on this topic against Earthling Ed.
neil would never put himself in a situation where he thinks he might be humbled, his ego is way too big for that. guy truly believes he's better and smarter than everybody else and it really shows. he's not exactly the type that likes to be proven wrong.
Neil is to smart for Ed
@@johnfreeman9358 😆. On veganism ... Ed is TOO logical, informed and skilled in communicating, for NdT to risk facing a challenge. (Ed wouldn't debate NdT on astrophysics, because it's not Ed's forté.) NdT needs to study logic, logical argumentation & still ... stay in his field of expertise.
@@elizabethgay1180 Niel is a scientist, logic is all he uses and Ed is just an activist and relies heavily on emotion rather than logic.
@@johnfreeman9358 NDT was talking about how sentient plant aliens would be crying over slaughtered baby carrots.
We all knew Neil was a pretentious blow bag but this is an eye opener! Milk and honey for us all, no deaths here, nothing to see here, no cows were harmed in the making of this milk, ever! Bees are having a great time making more honey1
Omg some people. All mammals have milk to feed they're young. It can't be that bad if we do it to them.
Neil is not the intellectual powerhouse that people think he is. The bit about seeds is particularly funny since some plants depend on being eaten to spread seeds to other locations. It's obvious he knows nothing about plants.
"BABY carrots! BABY spinach!" had me laughing so hard. Bro can't put two and two together and realize that plants aren't sentient and that animals have to eat plants to produce any sort of food.
I don't know for sure, but plants could be sentient. There is enough scientific evidence available today showing that, at the very least, plants have their own kind of nervous system. Disclaimer: This is not an anti-vegan comment. I am vegan.
@Michael B So you wouldn't care if I had some fun with your corpse?
@@alexp.s.4419 they have response mechanisms and response pathways, but no neural pathways or nervous system.
@@alexp.s.4419 Calling it a nervous system is a big leap. There are very, very basic reactions in plants. I have spent hours and hours pouring into research papers trying to diaprove my own opinion on this and there is absolutely nothing in favour of plants being sentient.
@@welcomeback2mychannel I am no scientist, but depending on your initial reference for the definition and use of terms your conclusions will vary. If you take the human anatomical form as primary reference, the definitions become more restricted the more different the organism we are looking at is from humans. That, however, does not mean there aren't any equivalent aspects in both human and more different organisms. For example, if you take as initial reference the functions of a neuron, rather than its form, you will see that plants have aspects with the same functions as far as they have been observed and described by scientists (such as receiving stimuli from the environment, sending commands to bodily features in response to the stimuli, and transforming and relaying electrical signals).
And there’s me thinking Neil was one of the most intelligent people around… 😭 it’s actually embarrassing to listen to!
At one point he even admits you can’t see the curvature because “you’re not supposed to be able to”(until like 8,000 km up or some shit) 🤣😭
yep secondhand embarrassment is strong with this guy.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
@Pro-Vegan Anti-NASA Do you believe the earth is an disk hanging absolutely still in a sea of air and luminous disks while sucking all matter in existence downwards at an equal acceleration, offering absolutely no explanation or context to the meteorological, astronomical or physical phenomenona that we experience every day? Flat earthers can't even agree on why the sun rises and sets in their worldview...
I sadly I can't take him seriously anymore
You blew him out of the water with iron clad arguments! Thank you!
Neil is so far off reality that he is unreachable. He can’t distinguish between a head of lettuce and a loving, beautiful, sentient animal with feelings and a functional brain.
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A symptom of mad cow disease.
For someone who doesn’t care, Neil talks about this alot
Imagine a planet where it’s inhabitants don’t eat each other, that’s what I would consider a civilized society.
That's what I call an ecosystem out of balance. I mean how hard is it?
He is a perfect example of the difference between having collected and understood information about a certain topic (intelligence) and the ability to think critically and reasonably (logicality).
Him lacking both?
@@TheCrimsonPope it sure looks that way
I've seen this phenomenon happen in many people who are very good in their fields and all the attention made them think they're experts in everything. Seen it with Jordan Peterson and others.
Yep, it’s the recognition that there is a market they can position themselves within. The goal is to make money. While JBP is far worse (being an actual fascist), but they’re both very unserious characters
At this point Neil just sounds like my half-drunk uncle during a family gathering who's had too much wine.
"It's mentioned in the bible!" ah shit, he got us there.
Tyson is one of the most closed minded scientists of this century.
Eric dubay all day 💪🌱
lol... does this guy calls himself a scientist??
He's not a scientist. I doubt he can tell his left foot from his right.
A scientist is someone who uses the scientific method. Does he use it? Idk.
That guy is not a scientist that's an intellectual. But even calling him that is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.
My eyes rolled so hard at Neil, he's rly out here embarrass himself just so he can keep exploiting vulnerable animals 😒🥱
He was cringe worthy when talking about venagism on joe rogans most recent podcast
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Just an FYI for Mr Tyson, any biblical mentioning of 'honey' is actually referring to date honey, not bees.
And they're called 'calves' by the by
I am very sorry for Neil! He needs our compassion, as he is unaware of the harm he is trying to promote! He can use some understanding and to check with own heart and soul ! I’ve been vegan for nearly 20 years, and it’s helped me to open my heart and mind to the welfare of all beings! Peace and love, Yolanda
Agree. I suggest to go to his IG and make the same comment directly to him.
Agree.
Wasn't Hitler a vegan as well ? Not so much peace and love.
@@alexhardy4559 Hitler also drank water, better give that up too.
I have for him the same compassion he has for the animals.
Neil needs to see this. He’s embarrassing himself.
😄😄yes he is...like wtf
@enyan he wouldn't!
@enyan aww that's sweet..:) thanks for the compliment
Eric dubay all day 💪🌱 this world is not what you think it is - bobby ray
His first argument was "Plants feel pain though"
Now he got the another average argument "Nature though"
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Or the classic, but "Lions though"
Seems like as long as someone is speaking confident and speaking in a way that seems smart more people are just gonna follow it. Of course the same argument could be made for some vegans, exept if you think about those argument they actually make sense.
People like him are just puppets actively working on closing the "third eye" of people while claiming to "enlighten" people with "science". And people like me, try to really enlighten people 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖
Heck, he even created the new argument “aliens tho” 🤣🤣
Humans feel pain. Why not eat them? Babies must be way tastier than normal.
I must admit that I had not heard of Neil until this video came up. My husband however, had, and we were both shocked and a little bemused at the ridiculous comments he made!
As always Ed, you are a superb voice for the reality as well as the basic commonsense of veganism.
Be kind to all kind, even idiots like Neil deGrass Tyson! "Alien sentient plantlife!!!"
You know what let's go back in time to the caveman and tell humans to eat plants.
I'm guessing you don't know what will happen do you. If you don't a 13 year old boy knows more than you.
I'll give you the answer: we would be extinct.
Neil, just one question. How do you think those cows and pigs and chickens and bees are fed?
I'm from Brazil, I don't know much about Neil, all I know is that people say he is "the successor of Carl Sagan"... when I saw a few of his interviews, my intuition said "no". I can say my intuition was right and I'm not disappointed, but it's still painful to listen to so much ignorance from a guy that should be a role model of knowledge and wisdom.
Yeah, Carl Sagan is spinning on his grave with this
Neil is too narcissistic. Truly brilliant physicists (and I’ve met a few) are extremely humble.
WOW....I actually use to admire Neil, I had to stop watching for a moment as his points were so incoherent and irrelevant they frustrated me. Once again Ed we thank you for persistance and patience when cutting through the bullshit people spin up to justify their actions. Keep doing your amazing work, the world needs you.
Stop admiration. Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding.
@@roanoashinsuke1400 sounds like you’re quoting something that makes no sense
I really appreciate you talking about this! I just can't listen to the truly strange thought processes of Neil any longer. It's just too freaking weird
Your weird
It's like he spent all his time coming up with his thoughts about veganism without ever actually talking to a vegan. The way Neil frames it, he seems to think that all vegans will be dumbfounded when confronted by the genius of the "mice in the basement" argument.
The average life expectancy for a mouse in like great condition in a pet home is 2 years. A 2 year old mouse is considered elderly as fuck. I don't think a mouse in recorded history has ever reached 6 years.
@@IsThatEtchas Apparently, he is no zoologist either.
I think the only sentient vegetable here is Neil
As a comedian said. The most frightening thing about vegans is that what they say might be true. The way that some people try to justify animal flesh eating amazes me.
OMG! I used to have so much respect for this dude… What is he smoking? Thank you, Ed, for bringing this to our attention
Probably smoking alien plant creatures.
crack
“Suppose there was an alien species of sentient oxygen, and they see us BREATHING AIR!!! WOOOOAAAAHHHH!”
Hahaha! A nice one.
It’s sad that someone as respected and intelligent as Neil Degrasse Tyson is so foolish on the topic of veganism. Unfortunately people will listen to his silly talk and do even more to harm animals. Good job on your commentary Ed💚
Maybe it’s not him who is foolish.
I swear the "straw alien plant man argument" was a logical fallacy ... not an argument for intelligent humans.
“Baby carrots = infanticide” - Neil fucking Tyson, wow…
That was one of the most ridiculous, absurd, and just insulting comparisons I’ve ever heard really
Trees are the same as mice according to Tyson 🙃😂
Eric dubay all day 💪🌱 this world is not what you think it is - bobby ray fkn science bro