I feel it's worth mentioning that access to these multitracks isn't as "instant" as you might think. Once you join the group, you'll need to pony up an extra $15 to unlock them.
@@nenntmichbond That's true, but there are also sessions that cost extra to unlock, like this one. I don't have a problem with that, per se...I just thought people should know that before they signed up.
@Daniel Neuwert Glad to help. As far as I know, it's just those two. That said, if you dig Spiritbox or any of the other "name" bands they have on offer (Godsmack, Meshuggah, Amaranthe, etc.), it might be worth it to you to unlock their songs.
That sounds so beautiful man! Also, Courtney is such an amazing performer/vocalist. And the parallel processing you've added, definitely taking notes for future projects. Thanks for sharing!
@@theopinson3851 The best producers can definitely polish turds. I have heard the worst digital drums turn into magic that you couldn't tell were computer made and garbage singers sounding perfect. You're definitely underestimating what talented producers can do.
@@eyeslikeoceans quantizing drums or correcting pitch is one thing. It can’t make up for bad tone or boring melodies. If you listen to a singer like Courtney she throws in all of these really cool subtle nuances like the glottal stops and breathy bits and chooses very interesting melodies. While a talented producer could probably coach through some of that the end result will not be the same.
@@eyeslikeoceans yeah I’d say that’s the most important way to polish, but if the imperfections are big it’s obvious and you get that “autotuned” sound. So if not pitch correction, what are you referring to?
You should have done an A-B with all inserts and sends against the dry track at once so we could hear the difference. The result is top-tier of course.
I liked this very much. Thank you for it. Only issue I had was the music/mix tracks are substantially lower than the talk over. lotsa me riding the volume knob to hear the example then lower the talk over.
Wish y'all would turn up the signal from the DAW and turn down the mic of the mixer. I keep turning my speakers up to hear the tracks he's soloing to then have them blown out by an incredibly loud voice haha
thanks!! this is one of my favorite songs/productions as of recently 🔥 and having it laid out like that = awesome ❤️ haha @ "chino" i could definitely hear that. sweet.
Super helpful! What was the hardware tracking chain though? Im sure this was compressed and preamp saturated on the way in before the ns1 and AT print.
Just wait for the sale for the decapitator. They have them pretty often for like $30. Recently got the SSL NativeX Saturator, but forgot how much I paid for it. I like it.
I cannot wait until AutoTune on Rock Vocals becomes so old fashioned that it is not used anymore... It will be a genuine treat to hear someone sing raw, passionately and with balls. Mixed with a little compression, EQ and reverb and to enjoy the singers unique phrasing and natural intonation just like the classic rock and metal vocalists did.
@@shredmore3049 not likely... definitely.. vocal correction is sterile and lacking in emotion. Rock and Metal bands put all the effort into playing guitar and drums brilliantly and forget to find truly great vocalists 🙁
Thanks, all very useful! Can I ask you to stop the extreme hard gating on the voiceover, it makes listening to the voiceover rather exhausting with all the abrupt sound dropouts. A voice is not a djent guitar
I think it’s more to get out of the way so you can listen to the audio stream without background noise. It’s weird, but I think I’d rather no noise or hiss with stops than not ever hearing the clear audio from the DAW!
@@jeremiahculver2776 For being an audio engineer he seems to be pretty dogshit at audio mixing for the video lol. You can have good sounding audio and also not be in the way of the daw
I think that’s the point. You aren’t supposed to hear the weird effects, they’re supposed to be just barely in there for the vibe. I do the same thing with my guitar tone. I often have chorus, tremolo, delay and reverb all going at the same time. But I don’t want to sound like an 80’s reject, so I keep them all really subtle. It’s hard to notice my effects until I actually turn them off and something I’d just missing. I’ll do the same thing tracking guitars. I usually have two guitars, one clean and one dirty, panned to stereo. And that’s what you’ll probably really hear. But then I add guitars with Big Muffs in the chorus, panned super wide. The Big Muffs have no mids and I keep them quiet, so you can’t really hear them, but even my wife can tell that something is just Missing without them. I’ll also sometimes put a noisy crazy guitar underneath, like a guitar with a Super Fuzz going through a hard tremolo and a big reverb with no predelay. By itself it just sounds like a mess, but 20 dbs under the rest of the tracks and it adds a subtle thickness and vibe. No one would hear it, let alone notice it, but even lay people can tell something’s wrong/missing when I take it out.
I use this approach too. Why? Because imo it’s easier to tweak than automation. You set up the main sound, then duplicate the tracks, and mute the unused parts. Now you can tweak the settings in each section without messing with the DAW’s automation lanes. And the end result is exactly the same.
Other than some of the reverb to fill out a bit of vocal space and provide fullness, I seriously felt like 80-90% of what was done was completely unnecessary. There was SUCH a solid and clear recording that it felt like adding the "textures" just ruined the majority of the vocal performance and sounded inhuman.
@@johnnyconcannon whilst I appreciate the sarcasm, I never stated that I wanted them to. If the group is pleased with the overall performance, then so be it.
@@VVVY777 I'm not saying that he should have put it on there dry by any means, my apologies for thr misunderstanding. Compression, eq, rev/delay, that's all to be expected to shape the recording to cut and blend into the mix. Honestly, even using decapitator is something I'll do as well to add just a hair of low end body to vocals. Unfortunately, I'd link something I've done so im not speaking out my ass, but I tried digging up a few of my projects that I've worked on from Cambridge mixing library and I haven't a clue of where anything is. So I gotta remix everything.
Aututone isnt gonna make a crap vocal sound good. This is a fantastic performance out the gate the autotune is just a finishing touch on top to give it a bit of stability it still sounds human and emotional af to me
@@charizardmaster13 My point was exactly what I put in quotes and not about performance. I'll narrow it down to "given". When it's a "given" that you think you need to slap AT on a track, it's a sad reality of todays music, IMHO.
@@MoreMeRecording okay i can understand that if your not into using any autotune but i personally dont have any issues with it if it makes something sound better im all for it. Its like saying its a sad state of affairs with music because we put compressors on things or eq things. Its an effect to be used to enhance a vocal not fix one
@@charizardmaster13 I’ve seen her live without autotune and honestly to my ears it’s not the same. Yeah it still had emotion but it sounds artificially perfect to me. You have an amazing singer with an amazing dynamic range, and you end up losing that with autotune. He’s basically overcompressing the vocals. Not every voice needs autotune to enhance it and she’s not one of them. She sounds more robotic with it than without it.
I feel it's worth mentioning that access to these multitracks isn't as "instant" as you might think. Once you join the group, you'll need to pony up an extra $15 to unlock them.
You get the sessions for free that come up after your subscription
@@nenntmichbond That's true, but there are also sessions that cost extra to unlock, like this one. I don't have a problem with that, per se...I just thought people should know that before they signed up.
@@mandatoryusername42 thanks man.
@Daniel Neuwert Glad to help. As far as I know, it's just those two. That said, if you dig Spiritbox or any of the other "name" bands they have on offer (Godsmack, Meshuggah, Amaranthe, etc.), it might be worth it to you to unlock their songs.
Actually not that surprising that you're not getting like 50 songs + hours and hours and hours of content for 1$, right? ;)
Her voice is insanely good
That sounds so beautiful man!
Also, Courtney is such an amazing performer/vocalist.
And the parallel processing you've added, definitely taking notes for future projects.
Thanks for sharing!
I dont listen to Spiritbox. But does she scream?
@@daoyang223 she does scream too.
Brilliant as usual.
The vocal synth with the lower part 🔥
Working with a voice like hers is so sweet. Awesome techniques.
doesn't hurt that she's got a fantastic voice either
Very true. The best producers in the world can’t polish a turd…you need good source material.
@@theopinson3851 The best producers can definitely polish turds. I have heard the worst digital drums turn into magic that you couldn't tell were computer made and garbage singers sounding perfect. You're definitely underestimating what talented producers can do.
@@eyeslikeoceans quantizing drums or correcting pitch is one thing. It can’t make up for bad tone or boring melodies. If you listen to a singer like Courtney she throws in all of these really cool subtle nuances like the glottal stops and breathy bits and chooses very interesting melodies. While a talented producer could probably coach through some of that the end result will not be the same.
@@theopinson3851 I'm not talking about quantizing or correcting pitch. Well, part correcting pitch I guess
@@eyeslikeoceans yeah I’d say that’s the most important way to polish, but if the imperfections are big it’s obvious and you get that “autotuned” sound. So if not pitch correction, what are you referring to?
one of the best vocal mixers in the metal game!
This is gold! Seriously, thank you URM 🖤
Super helpful. Those effects are killer.
You should have done an A-B with all inserts and sends against the dry track at once so we could hear the difference. The result is top-tier of course.
i didn't know anyone else was using gain reduction as like a little pre-boost thing. it's so good for that, especially during tracking
she is so amazing
Inspirational as all heck. Thanks URM! 🤜🔥💚🔥🤛
Amazing video, very cool effects.
I liked this very much. Thank you for it. Only issue I had was the music/mix tracks are substantially lower than the talk over. lotsa me riding the volume knob to hear the example then lower the talk over.
Would love to have heard chorus...
awesome ideas! Thanks a lot !!
"normaly I just kind be lazy" hahaha story of my life
Love to hear the vocal tracks solo’d…you can really hear those nuances like the breathy flourishes. Also lmao@ “wide guy Courtney” 😂
Daaaamn, that vocalsynth widening sounded sick!
Wish y'all would turn up the signal from the DAW and turn down the mic of the mixer. I keep turning my speakers up to hear the tracks he's soloing to then have them blown out by an incredibly loud voice haha
That's hilarious. Especially from a video ABOUT FUCKING MIXING lol.
thanks!! this is one of my favorite songs/productions as of recently 🔥 and having it laid out like that = awesome ❤️
haha @ "chino" i could definitely hear that. sweet.
Very Cool tips and tricks! THE SAUCE
Id love to hear the chain for the screamed parts
Holy shit, just typed in this to see if I could find ANY info on the sound. And see here!!
Haha, so eye opening to see what goes in with just the vocal. How do engineers get this stuff live?
The vocalists use a chain of fx just like in the studio, same thing, different application usually with more automation.
Super helpful! What was the hardware tracking chain though? Im sure this was compressed and preamp saturated on the way in before the ns1 and AT print.
This is all done with UAD Apollo. An emulation of a distressor was used and
This kind of content should not be free 🙏🏻
Weird picture title IMO considering that whether her voice is too soft doesn't ever seem to be a dilemma, it's the preserving it.
Everything is subjective mane... 😂
Welp I'm gonna play with these ideas
just out of curiosity what are some possible alternative plugins to decapitator and gain reduction?
Just wait for the sale for the decapitator. They have them pretty often for like $30. Recently got the SSL NativeX Saturator, but forgot how much I paid for it. I like it.
Nani and rvox
What is the PT cycle sends macro? Thanks in advance! (By that i mean what is the macro for that)
All that time I thought Mike was singing an octave below on stuff
"Wide guy Courtney"
desser before the verb! noted
It’s a shame how many people here think every plugin that exists is spooky evil autotune
Very interesting what you do. Not into this mix, but I'll continue to watch content.
I cannot wait until AutoTune on Rock Vocals becomes so old fashioned that it is not used anymore... It will be a genuine treat to hear someone sing raw, passionately and with balls. Mixed with a little compression, EQ and reverb and to enjoy the singers unique phrasing and natural intonation just like the classic rock and metal vocalists did.
That will never happen. Autotune will be a fact of the industry long past our time is up. Maybe forever.
@@LPVocals here forever like McDonalds crappy happy meals and war 🇺🇸😊
It is very likely the vocal track was still touched up with something like Melodyne before importing it into this project.
@@shredmore3049 not likely... definitely.. vocal correction is sterile and lacking in emotion. Rock and Metal bands put all the effort into playing guitar and drums brilliantly and forget to find truly great vocalists 🙁
@@shredmore3049 I mean he stated it was printed with tuning, so yes.
can i pay you to literally mix my cover of this song IM STRUGGLING SO MUCH ORGMFIOGHFDOHI
This DAW looks like Cakewalk...What is?
It's pro tools.
Maybe. Let's use 50 plugins on it.
😆
Thanks, all very useful!
Can I ask you to stop the extreme hard gating on the voiceover, it makes listening to the voiceover rather exhausting with all the abrupt sound dropouts. A voice is not a djent guitar
I think it’s more to get out of the way so you can listen to the audio stream without background noise. It’s weird, but I think I’d rather no noise or hiss with stops than not ever hearing the clear audio from the DAW!
@@jeremiahculver2776 For being an audio engineer he seems to be pretty dogshit at audio mixing for the video lol. You can have good sounding audio and also not be in the way of the daw
This looks so over processed, like theres so many things going on that you can barely hear if even at all. like the low dude voice harmony.
I think that’s the point. You aren’t supposed to hear the weird effects, they’re supposed to be just barely in there for the vibe.
I do the same thing with my guitar tone. I often have chorus, tremolo, delay and reverb all going at the same time. But I don’t want to sound like an 80’s reject, so I keep them all really subtle. It’s hard to notice my effects until I actually turn them off and something I’d just missing.
I’ll do the same thing tracking guitars. I usually have two guitars, one clean and one dirty, panned to stereo. And that’s what you’ll probably really hear. But then I add guitars with Big Muffs in the chorus, panned super wide. The Big Muffs have no mids and I keep them quiet, so you can’t really hear them, but even my wife can tell that something is just Missing without them. I’ll also sometimes put a noisy crazy guitar underneath, like a guitar with a Super Fuzz going through a hard tremolo and a big reverb with no predelay. By itself it just sounds like a mess, but 20 dbs under the rest of the tracks and it adds a subtle thickness and vibe. No one would hear it, let alone notice it, but even lay people can tell something’s wrong/missing when I take it out.
same vocal chain different settings on 3 tracks? damn automation never been shown to this fool
I use this approach too. Why? Because imo it’s easier to tweak than automation.
You set up the main sound, then duplicate the tracks, and mute the unused parts. Now you can tweak the settings in each section without messing with the DAW’s automation lanes. And the end result is exactly the same.
How many hit records have you produced over there with your 1 subscriber and no videos?
Other than some of the reverb to fill out a bit of vocal space and provide fullness, I seriously felt like 80-90% of what was done was completely unnecessary. There was SUCH a solid and clear recording that it felt like adding the "textures" just ruined the majority of the vocal performance and sounded inhuman.
I'm sure that you're gonna have Spiritbox in those DMs BEGGING you to mix the next one.
Sticking that dry vocal on the mix as is would get it swallowed up. He added harmonics to make it cut.
@@johnnyconcannon whilst I appreciate the sarcasm, I never stated that I wanted them to. If the group is pleased with the overall performance, then so be it.
@@VVVY777 I'm not saying that he should have put it on there dry by any means, my apologies for thr misunderstanding. Compression, eq, rev/delay, that's all to be expected to shape the recording to cut and blend into the mix. Honestly, even using decapitator is something I'll do as well to add just a hair of low end body to vocals. Unfortunately, I'd link something I've done so im not speaking out my ass, but I tried digging up a few of my projects that I've worked on from Cambridge mixing library and I haven't a clue of where anything is. So I gotta remix everything.
I kinda felt the same about it... not just on this song either. Just from a listener's perspective, the vocals sound a bit overdone to me.
her voice in one takes with just reverb do 90% of all this random extra BS he did
"autotune, given.." - such a sad state of affairs with today's music facts... 😐
Aututone isnt gonna make a crap vocal sound good. This is a fantastic performance out the gate the autotune is just a finishing touch on top to give it a bit of stability it still sounds human and emotional af to me
@@charizardmaster13 My point was exactly what I put in quotes and not about performance. I'll narrow it down to "given". When it's a "given" that you think you need to slap AT on a track, it's a sad reality of todays music, IMHO.
@@MoreMeRecording okay i can understand that if your not into using any autotune but i personally dont have any issues with it if it makes something sound better im all for it. Its like saying its a sad state of affairs with music because we put compressors on things or eq things. Its an effect to be used to enhance a vocal not fix one
@@MoreMeRecording LMFAO*PLEB*
@@charizardmaster13 I’ve seen her live without autotune and honestly to my ears it’s not the same. Yeah it still had emotion but it sounds artificially perfect to me. You have an amazing singer with an amazing dynamic range, and you end up losing that with autotune. He’s basically overcompressing the vocals. Not every voice needs autotune to enhance it and she’s not one of them. She sounds more robotic with it than without it.
I wonder how much autotune is on these