Honestly, Noah could've filled the hole Glenn left when he died. Both had a special type of innocence all of the other characters have lost. Even Heath could've also taken Glenn's role after his death
I 100% agree they were such good friends as well in the short time we saw them together , they shared a lot of characteristics Noah definitely would have softened the blow of losing Glenn
I'm split on this on one hand Noah could have been that perfect Glenn replacement when Glenn got killed given how similar they are we could have also had Noah fill the role Donte had in comics where years after Glenn's death Maggie gets with Noah because of how much he reminds her of Glenn, on the other hand though Noah was the first person to die on Glenn's watch and it was Noah's death that shaped him into the leader like roll we'd see Glenn in for the remainder of season 5 and most of season 6
@@steventomasi5557damn it felt like Noah was the lil bro of Glenn of how he comforted him when they arrive at Alexandria. I don’t think Glenn did that with any survivor. He was just thoughtful cuz he helped out Maggie’s sister so he just wanted to return the favor.
Yeah, that death was in 2nd place for me. I looked at him like a little brother in the same light as Glenn. I still have a hard time watching that scene.
Noah should have lived to carry out Beth and Tyreeses legacy b/c they died for nothing. If Noah died later on it would have been ok but he was taken from us way too soon.
@@maadtee6281it’s kind of poor writing too. Two side characters who have been around for quite some time die for this kid, only for him to die episodes later with no real character arc. Shock value can work, quite well even at times, but Walking Dead did it so much that it loses its shock after a while. It’s part of the reason the show fell off in popularity, because it memory revolved around shock value nonstop and few good character arcs
Ty died bc he didn’t want to keep living in what has became a cruel world & even said before that wanted to keep killing walkers till he couldn’t anymore. Beth on the other hand died for nothing because she could’ve just walked away from the trade off but she just had to lash out at dawn for her to shoot her.
Man if only Nicholas was brave enough to hop over that fence when him and Glenn were standing on the dumpster. They would’ve both been great characters.
Apparently he was only meant to appear in 3 episodes, we were lucky to even get his extended stay. Noah’s unfinished arc is one of my biggest gripes during the golden days of TWD
I instantly liked Noah the moment he was introduced. He had chemistry with Beth, and seemed like an overall cool guy. His death so soon after Beth's just cheapened her loss imo. He deserved a season to flesh out his character and have the audience get attached. Having him survive at least until the Saviors war would have been cool. Imagine Negan being impressed with Noah's skills, or Noah reacting to Glenn's death. Noah and Maggie could have reminiscenced about Beth. Oh, what could have been.
Yeah a Noah Maggie dynamic would have been so cool to see play out it would have been cool to see him go to hilltop with her and become her second in command instead of Tara/Jesus
I completely agree here. Noah was an interesting character with quite a bit of potential. The writers (very stupidly) sacrificed Beth so we could have him around (not to mention losing Tyreese immediately after). And what is our payoff for losing two huge characters so that we can have Noah around? Giving him one of the most brutal and cruel death scenes yet. All that loss could have meant something and helped to develop an interesting character, but the writers thought it would be cooler if everybody ate Chris.
I think on the other hand his death was a good example of death that didn’t make us sad because of how it affected other character or how attached we were to them, but a death of a young person that was keen to learn and could have achieved and contribute so much. His wasted potential hit us a bit like a death of a classmate.
I realize now that the problems with TWD started as soon as the Alexandria arc started, they started killing off character simply for shock value instead of doing it because it benefited the story
I hate what they did with his character It just made it seem like Beth's sacrifice was for nothing Not to mention if they were going to have him killed like that they could have at least used the death to show Glenn snap cuz I was dying to see a ruthless Glenn lol Sadly we never got that
Glenn honest to god should've had his crash-out *_"that one time the innocent character loses control"_* moment, and either shot Nick dead or shot him in the leg and left him for the walkers. If there was ever a person to make you break your *"No Killing Rule",* *_IT WAS NICHOLAS._*
He kind of crashed out when he was non stop punching Nicholas when he got out the store but didn’t have the guts to kill him. Glenn was such a nice guy 🤦🏽♂️ Rick would’ve instantly killed him right then and there.
Seriously, what was the point of Beth's death just to save this guy and the setup for him being taken under the tutelage of Reg Monroe. Like this character could have at least lived long enough to make Beth's death mean something. An have him be killed off during the Savior war, and have his architect skills he learned from Reg help reinforce Alexandria during that whole conflict.
Yeah I agree he was killed off way too soon it felt like they just wanted the audience to be “Shocked” by every death as they tried to play the narrative “anyone can die” but that was never true because the writers would never even dare kill off Rick, Daryl and Michonne
I wish both Beth and Noah lived and had more screen time together and I would have also loved for Noah and Glenn to continue being best friends, they were such a great duo
Seriously, when Beth died I took a several year break from the show because it was the worst shock value death in a show I’d ever seen (until Lexa from The 100).
I always thought it was kinda funny that the actor that played Chris and the actor that played Greg from Everybody Hates Chris were both in The Walking Dead but sadly never interacted.
Noah didn’t have to die, Sasha didn’t have to die, Beth didn’t have to die, Angela didn’t have to die, and Carl didn’t have to die… the writers fucked off a lot now that I think about it lol
I stopped watching around season 6 or 7. As soon as they introduced people, they killed them. There was no way to connect to the characters and Noah is a perfect example of a good character in the hands of bad writers.
While I do love a high steaks show where none of the characters feel safe, it doesn’t work if you kill off every character left and right except the most popular or sometimes the least popular characters.
Killing off Carl when they barely utilized him, made him annoying sometimes, & didn't fulfill his character arc is like spitting on the comics. It really made me hate the writers that their brilliant idea to keep negan was to kill off Carl. Carl was supposed to be a badass.
I think people really misunderstand the premise of this show being that "anyone can die" and I think the writers were wrong in thinking characters can and should be killed off for shock value. The sweet spot of the early seasons is that, yes, there was a feeling that no-one is safe, but killing off the right characters in the right way, not just for an emotional reaction from the audience, but building up their characters and the story so that their deaths serve a purpose and impact the other characters that affects the overall story. Killing Beth just to kill off Tyreese in the next episode and Noah a few episodes later felt like a massive waste because after the emotional impact of their deaths passed, it achieved nothing and the characters kinda just forgot about them. It didn't affect the story, it just felt like trimming the fat and the writers didn't know what to do with them anymore, and they thought it'd be better to end the mid season finale with a big character death than actually giving Beth a satisfying character arc. Yes Noah's death did affect Glenn and his storyline with Nicholas, but the character himself deserved so much more, his death was gruesome and shocking but he had so much more potential
I hated that they killed Noah. I instantly liked his character. Also I’ve been watching the actor since he and I was a kid. So it killed me when he died especially right in front of my favorite character Glenn.
I was so pissed at Gimple when he died as Beth definitely died for nothing. Also he could have taken Regs job after he died and used his notes to rebuild the wall after now way out. And then if he had to die it could of been at the hands of Dwight making us and the group super mad at Dwight like we were when Abraham died in the comic. Another stupid pointless shock value death courtesy of Pimple.😤
Was also the start for Rick and the group to lead Alexandra, proving their people didn't know enough, which was a way to get the audience to be on board with it too if there were any doubts. Does kinda cheapen Beth's death even more because the trade could have happened and he could have gotten out another way later but now both are gone (which Beth's attack is whatever anyway)
After rewatching season 5-6, it genuinely hurts how poorly handled he was. They built him up to be a new key member of the group, as a smart and moral guy with some obvious weaknesses. Then they threw it all away. So disappointing.
Killing a high potential character with clear future plans makes it far more impactful and emotional but only when you can connect. Needed more screen time.
I'm currently on season 9 of my rewatch, and you summed up all my thoughts exactly. Noah was shaping up to be an excellent asset to the group; while he was younger than most of the others (except Carl, I think), he still could handle himself well. While the impact of Nicholas leaving them behind may not have hit as hard without his death, they definitely could have used someone else. I think this is where The Walking Dead really started to go off the deep end, sadly, with the killing of characters.
Finally some love for noah, you should do a video about the possible outcomes if he wasn't killed off whether you think he would die in a specific season or if he'd make it through the whole show or even could make it into a spinoff
Fully agree with what you had to say here. Noah is one of those characters that should have gone on through multiple seasons to be like Glenn! There's other characters within season 5(which you've mentioned) that fell victim to the writers wanting a shocking death for the numbers of the show. Beth and Tyreese back to back in s5e8 and e9. The early seasons of TWD always had an issue with killing off "the black guy". T-dog, Bob, Tyreese, Noah, Heath. Tyreese himself deserves his own video, and he lived long after his comic counterpart, and both him and Beth had some of the worst deaths in the show(by how they died and for shock value). Noah's death only added insult to injury over the course of this season's writing at times too(despite being one of the best).
@damonlongstreet8630 my bad, I got mixed up with Thomas. I know the original intention was for Axel to be a serial killer in the show though it was scrapped.
They got rid of pretty much any other character besides the original cast that anyone actually got backstory for or got attached to! This is exactly why when Carl died and Rick was set to exit the show the ratings plummeted and never recovered! If they’d built up some new characters and made you care about them then people would have kept watching after the original group was pretty much done.
TWD writer #1: "Ok, how many Black men do we have in the group? TWD writer #2: "Umm; two, Father Gabriel, and Noah." Writer #1: "Good, good, we're at our max." TWD writer #3: "Remember guys, we're reintroducing Morgan in a few episodes!" TWD writers 1 & 2: "Oh sh**, quick we have to kill off either Noah or Gabriel!"
I headcanon that Negan and the Saviors found the building he was in and saved him and take him in then him surviving til the Whisperer war and see him being a pike victim
Yeah I hated his death I felt like he had finally found him a place to call home and some friends and he wanted to help protect the community just to be killed that same day. I think that if Noah didn’t die when he did he definitely would’ve died when Negan and his ppl came along. What I did find funny was that the white boy friends with Chris from Everyone hates Chris was also in TWD and died lol.
When noah died it really hurt and broke Glenn and Maggie was so extremely heartbroken. They both saw him like a brother and clung to him very quickly. The tight bond they shared was so short lived just like glenn and maggies lives together 💔 noah was barely grieving the loss of his family before he met his end, a fate too many shared in the universe.
He was used as a plot device to get us to hate Nicholas,should've at least gave Nicholas a full redemption for his death to have some sort of reason, on and all,he should've lived more.
As an architect IRL it was an exciting prospect to hear/see Reg teach Noah architecture through the lens of "survival/fortifications" as opposed to other traditional features of design. But also to be an architect it takes a minimum of 5 yrs of schooling and 6 professional licensure exams so im not sure it was really practical for noah to learn more than construction techniques unless they were planning to extend that story for 5-10 years
Noah was such a great character. I was almost as traumatized with his character’s death as I was traumatized with Glenn’s. It was such a waste of a great character. Beth’s life was traded for him to find his family all for nothing. I’m imagining him making it to Negan’s line up and watching over Maggie and Herschel in Glenn’s honor.
It was around this time that I stopped taking the show seriously & feel like I was trained not to care about any characters in any real way moving forward.
A filler character if there ever was one. They used him to drive Beth’s character, killed her off, then writers used the little characterization and backstory he had to kill him off. It sucks because his actor was actually shining quite well in the role but wasn’t really given a chance.
Then we get Rosita/Gabriel/Ezekiel who ALL survive 3-5 Seasons past they're comic death, Gimple made it so Ovious he picked his favorites by actor and not character.
they've been killing off potential stories and characters for a long time..killed off carl just to replace him with another kill that guy off... noah felt the same a replacement for beth and he just got dead in the end.
Literally MY FAVORITE character in the show! And it sucks my 5 favorite characters disappeared from TWD .. Bob, Morgan, Heath an Noah n Abraham.. would do anything to watch this show for the first time again and enjoy how much them 5 characters not only entertained me but changed me. Changed my perspective of life .. they all lived for certain reasons and they were all great men and deserved to see the great ending of the walking dead..
Tyler James Williams man I remember him from Everybody Hate Chris seeing him in The Walking Dead as Noah felt like his death was unnecessary making Beth pointless.
thank you for the video as promised! for sure wasted potential! but amazing death scene! one of the best of the show! but thinking a lill bit since he is a new character maybe he being alive could had changed the flow of the story some how
The problem was the show runner. The guy just loved his shocking deaths. When a character finally had character development going, well they were the next one to die.
Can you make a video essay on Daryl Dixon? I know he has a LOT of stuff to talk about now since he’s one of the surviving characters through TWD to the point where he got his own spin off, but i think it would be interesting to take a deep dive into his growth from the start of the show to the later seasons. Anyway good videos man, cheers from Washington US 🫡ps. I also think the scene with Beth and Daryl (she got Daryl to drink liquor) did a lot for the show as a whole
You forgot that Tyreese dies in name of Noah's arc, going with him to his house. So that's two characters with Beth, to introduce this underrated character.
His and Tyrese's deaths were two big unreasonable deaths that stood out to me thru the show. I would have loved to see how much of a de-facto uncle Tyrese would've been for Judith as she gets older and captures those core memories. People make the case that Hershel's death was unnecessary, but it was extremely valuable to the character development of the Survivors. Beth's absolutely hurt (I cry every watch), but given she played the role of the typical teen who's decision making wasn't the best, on top of becoming cold to the world since the Prison, she was more than likely going to do something foolish that gets her killed- kinda like Henry.
Noah's death upset me the most of any character i think, Glenn's death was probably the hardest hitting but at least we had a long time with Glenn. We were just starting to get to know Noah and see his potential and then he was killed... edit: the character death that actually upset me the most was Carl but that feels like a give in.
I loved Noah, I really wish he was on the show for longer and it is so disappointing he died so quick. Tbh i think it might've been possible that they would not be able to have the actor for longer even if they wanted to, because i mean that dude probably gets quite a lot of roles and might have not been available and doesn't usually play in that genre anyway
I like the idea that Noah could have been an architect to help with the Saviours war. It was sad seeing Beth go but if Noah became a prominent character in the later seasons then it would have been worth it. I still don’t think Tyreese needed to die for Noah’s short lived story arc either. Noah could have been Maggie’s protégé as well as Enid at Hilltop. I honestly think he could have stuck around until season 8 or 9 and die then.
I would've honestly loved to see Noah and Reggie to live. Noah could've become an architect of some sorts for Alexandria after being taught by Reggie. Would've been a great character ark
I've been unintentionally following this man's career since he was a child. Between Lab rats, Everybody hates Chris, TWD and Abbott Elementary; I feel like I've been watching a mini multiverse saga all loosely centered around him 🤣 He even kinda plays the same role in each iteration.
Beth's death was so unexpected, I jumped off the couch when it happened and shouted "NO!" Her death was for nothing because they killed Noah off. You're right that it seems like the show was just starting to kill off good characters for shock and nothing more.
Honestly, the whole fanbase was weird when it came to Noah. Basically, the common responses at the time these episodes aired was like this: When Beth died: "NO! Noah killed Beth!" When Tyrese died: "NO! Noah killed Tyrese!" When Noah died: "NO! NOAH!"
i kinda like it when twd will kill a lot of characters quickly or kill a character with a lot of potential that was going in a good direction, the "shock value" in this show is almost realistic in the sense that ANYONE could die at any moment, it doesnt matter if your a badass or an architect, things will always go wrong and when things go wrong people die
Tyler is also a great actor. It would have been truly fulfilling to see Beth, Noah, Carl, Judith, Enid, Henry, Mini Hershel, and eventually a child from Abraham and Sasha would have been a good end, the children and young adults would have made a good end.
The Walking Dead I felt cared more about shock value than story.... so many characters had so much potential, and they just wasted them for the purpose of leaving fans shocked. But it actually caused many to stop watching...
Noah was full of hope and wanted to make a contribution towards rebuilding society. He was doomed from the start. To survive the Walking Dead universe one must embrace a nihilistic view of the world and an expectation of bad behavior on the part of humanity. It didn’t help that he was going to start shooting Abbot Elementary in a more prominent role. He died so that a great TV show may live.
Noah and Sadiq (sorry if I misspelled) both have the worst case scenario I think. They both were saved at the cost of one of youngest and most important characters getting killed by accident right before they reach their peak. Both bringing in a major element of heart that just got ripped away. Only to rip it away again shortly after by horrifically killing the void filling character off too pretty shortly after. Same thing with Henry except even worse because he also filled the hole left behind by Carl’s death and was yet another child that poor Carol has to bury.
He died because Morgan was back. If a new black man turns up, the last main character black man dies lol pay attention to the earlier seasons, it happens a lot lol
What I hate is they gave him the most brutal looking death in the entire show(for all I know, I stopped watching mid season 9). And it was avoidable too, that pissed me off.
They could have kept him on a little longer . The actress who played Tara only signed on for three seasons how she ended up being on the show for 6 years is beyond me
If TWD is going to build up a character with a potential arc, they should ensure that if they shockingly kill the character off that it ALWAYS has a significant impact on the plot. Instead, TWD decided to just recycle characters after building them up repeatedly without giving any of them any meaning.
Honestly, Noah could've filled the hole Glenn left when he died. Both had a special type of innocence all of the other characters have lost. Even Heath could've also taken Glenn's role after his death
I 100% agree they were such good friends as well in the short time we saw them together , they shared a lot of characteristics Noah definitely would have softened the blow of losing Glenn
I'm split on this on one hand Noah could have been that perfect Glenn replacement when Glenn got killed given how similar they are we could have also had Noah fill the role Donte had in comics where years after Glenn's death Maggie gets with Noah because of how much he reminds her of Glenn, on the other hand though Noah was the first person to die on Glenn's watch and it was Noah's death that shaped him into the leader like roll we'd see Glenn in for the remainder of season 5 and most of season 6
Noah was still a kid
this is pretty cool, but I think Noah was around Beth's age. @@steventomasi5557
@@steventomasi5557damn it felt like Noah was the lil bro of Glenn of how he comforted him when they arrive at Alexandria. I don’t think Glenn did that with any survivor. He was just thoughtful cuz he helped out Maggie’s sister so he just wanted to return the favor.
In fact the actor of Noah forced his family to not watch the episode where he died in because he doesn't want to have them be traumatized
@@redbatgaming2001 I didn’t know that! Poor Noah he didn’t deserve that death
@theohuntt Yeah, I wouldn't want to show my family an episode where I got killed off brutally too
That’s dumb
Yeah, that death was in 2nd place for me. I looked at him like a little brother in the same light as Glenn. I still have a hard time watching that scene.
Noah should have lived to carry out Beth and Tyreeses legacy b/c they died for nothing. If Noah died later on it would have been ok but he was taken from us way too soon.
Noah died for both Nicholas and Glenn to die later
It's for shock value
@@maadtee6281it’s kind of poor writing too. Two side characters who have been around for quite some time die for this kid, only for him to die episodes later with no real character arc. Shock value can work, quite well even at times, but Walking Dead did it so much that it loses its shock after a while. It’s part of the reason the show fell off in popularity, because it memory revolved around shock value nonstop and few good character arcs
Ty died bc he didn’t want to keep living in what has became a cruel world & even said before that wanted to keep killing walkers till he couldn’t anymore. Beth on the other hand died for nothing because she could’ve just walked away from the trade off but she just had to lash out at dawn for her to shoot her.
I also think Noah being killed by Nicholas just for Nicholas to Jill himself for the dumpster scene makes the whole incident feel pointless
Yeah so true it felt like Noah’s death had literally ZERO meaning
Man if only Nicholas was brave enough to hop over that fence when him and Glenn were standing on the dumpster. They would’ve both been great characters.
Yeah they could've killed Nicholas in the rotating door scene
Adding on nick putting himself to sleep after getting Noah killed makes Tyrese’s death 100% pointless
Recall he also showed interest in architecture and could have been a valuable replacement for Reg
Then they gave the architect role to maggie introducing that one woman that was never brought up again
Apparently he was only meant to appear in 3 episodes, we were lucky to even get his extended stay. Noah’s unfinished arc is one of my biggest gripes during the golden days of TWD
Yeah it just showed us glimpses of what was to come for the later seasons of the show :/
I instantly liked Noah the moment he was introduced. He had chemistry with Beth, and seemed like an overall cool guy. His death so soon after Beth's just cheapened her loss imo. He deserved a season to flesh out his character and have the audience get attached. Having him survive at least until the Saviors war would have been cool. Imagine Negan being impressed with Noah's skills, or Noah reacting to Glenn's death. Noah and Maggie could have reminiscenced about Beth. Oh, what could have been.
Yeah a Noah Maggie dynamic would have been so cool to see play out it would have been cool to see him go to hilltop with her and become her second in command instead of Tara/Jesus
I completely agree here. Noah was an interesting character with quite a bit of potential. The writers (very stupidly) sacrificed Beth so we could have him around (not to mention losing Tyreese immediately after). And what is our payoff for losing two huge characters so that we can have Noah around? Giving him one of the most brutal and cruel death scenes yet. All that loss could have meant something and helped to develop an interesting character, but the writers thought it would be cooler if everybody ate Chris.
yeah it just felt like a series of very strange decisions
EVERYBODY ATE CHRISSSS AHHHHHHHAHAHAHA the show was my s h
After everybody hates Chris, the world just decided they did too :(
@@theohuntt Did you get that last line?
Noah is SO underrated i love him so much 😭
I hate that they killed him so soon :(
@@theohuntt me too 🥲
He's with Beth now.
I think on the other hand his death was a good example of death that didn’t make us sad because of how it affected other character or how attached we were to them, but a death of a young person that was keen to learn and could have achieved and contribute so much. His wasted potential hit us a bit like a death of a classmate.
That’s a good point definitely an interesting take
I realize now that the problems with TWD started as soon as the Alexandria arc started, they started killing off character simply for shock value instead of doing it because it benefited the story
I hate what they did with his character
It just made it seem like Beth's sacrifice was for nothing
Not to mention if they were going to have him killed like that they could have at least used the death to show Glenn snap cuz I was dying to see a ruthless Glenn lol
Sadly we never got that
Glenn honest to god should've had his crash-out *_"that one time the innocent character loses control"_* moment, and either shot Nick dead or shot him in the leg and left him for the walkers. If there was ever a person to make you break your *"No Killing Rule",* *_IT WAS NICHOLAS._*
The idea of a ruthless Glen is so cool!
He kind of crashed out when he was non stop punching Nicholas when he got out the store but didn’t have the guts to kill him. Glenn was such a nice guy 🤦🏽♂️ Rick would’ve instantly killed him right then and there.
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Glenn was pretty ruthless, or he tried to be, after he and Maggie escaped the governor.
Seriously, what was the point of Beth's death just to save this guy and the setup for him being taken under the tutelage of Reg Monroe. Like this character could have at least lived long enough to make Beth's death mean something. An have him be killed off during the Savior war, and have his architect skills he learned from Reg help reinforce Alexandria during that whole conflict.
Yeah I agree he was killed off way too soon it felt like they just wanted the audience to be “Shocked” by every death as they tried to play the narrative “anyone can die” but that was never true because the writers would never even dare kill off Rick, Daryl and Michonne
I wish both Beth and Noah lived and had more screen time together and I would have also loved for Noah and Glenn to continue being best friends, they were such a great duo
Seriously, when Beth died I took a several year break from the show because it was the worst shock value death in a show I’d ever seen (until Lexa from The 100).
@@ThatFont Beth's death hurts more than Glenn's death
I always thought it was kinda funny that the actor that played Chris and the actor that played Greg from Everybody Hates Chris were both in The Walking Dead but sadly never interacted.
Same with chris's dad in tales of the walking dead
Hes death kinda screams last minute budget cuts, his death was perfectly tragic and sadly ingored afterwards.
He had health issues and needed to be written off the actor explained later
Noah didn’t have to die, Sasha didn’t have to die, Beth didn’t have to die, Angela didn’t have to die, and Carl didn’t have to die… the writers fucked off a lot now that I think about it lol
I stopped watching around season 6 or 7. As soon as they introduced people, they killed them. There was no way to connect to the characters and Noah is a perfect example of a good character in the hands of bad writers.
While I do love a high steaks show where none of the characters feel safe, it doesn’t work if you kill off every character left and right except the most popular or sometimes the least popular characters.
Who Angela
@@abramsullivan7764 he means Andrea. Likely autocorrect shenanigans
Killing off Carl when they barely utilized him, made him annoying sometimes, & didn't fulfill his character arc is like spitting on the comics. It really made me hate the writers that their brilliant idea to keep negan was to kill off Carl. Carl was supposed to be a badass.
I think people really misunderstand the premise of this show being that "anyone can die" and I think the writers were wrong in thinking characters can and should be killed off for shock value. The sweet spot of the early seasons is that, yes, there was a feeling that no-one is safe, but killing off the right characters in the right way, not just for an emotional reaction from the audience, but building up their characters and the story so that their deaths serve a purpose and impact the other characters that affects the overall story. Killing Beth just to kill off Tyreese in the next episode and Noah a few episodes later felt like a massive waste because after the emotional impact of their deaths passed, it achieved nothing and the characters kinda just forgot about them. It didn't affect the story, it just felt like trimming the fat and the writers didn't know what to do with them anymore, and they thought it'd be better to end the mid season finale with a big character death than actually giving Beth a satisfying character arc. Yes Noah's death did affect Glenn and his storyline with Nicholas, but the character himself deserved so much more, his death was gruesome and shocking but he had so much more potential
I hated that they killed Noah. I instantly liked his character. Also I’ve been watching the actor since he and I was a kid. So it killed me when he died especially right in front of my favorite character Glenn.
Yeah it felt like a very strange decision:(
I was so pissed at Gimple when he died as Beth definitely died for nothing. Also he could have taken Regs job after he died and used his notes to rebuild the wall after now way out. And then if he had to die it could of been at the hands of Dwight making us and the group super mad at Dwight like we were when Abraham died in the comic. Another stupid pointless shock value death courtesy of Pimple.😤
Was also the start for Rick and the group to lead Alexandra, proving their people didn't know enough, which was a way to get the audience to be on board with it too if there were any doubts.
Does kinda cheapen Beth's death even more because the trade could have happened and he could have gotten out another way later but now both are gone (which Beth's attack is whatever anyway)
It was actually the same episode as him asking Reg to teach him Architecture
They killed off Beth in such a dumbest way possible just to kill of the person she died for. I was and still am so upset
Noah should have became the carpenter version of Saddiq.
Hahah very good idea!
After rewatching season 5-6, it genuinely hurts how poorly handled he was. They built him up to be a new key member of the group, as a smart and moral guy with some obvious weaknesses. Then they threw it all away. So disappointing.
Noah’s death hurt me. The way he was pressed against that glass
I heard they didn't want to kill his character. The actor had health issues and needed to be written off...he was such a good character tho
Killing a high potential character with clear future plans makes it far more impactful and emotional but only when you can connect. Needed more screen time.
I'm currently on season 9 of my rewatch, and you summed up all my thoughts exactly. Noah was shaping up to be an excellent asset to the group; while he was younger than most of the others (except Carl, I think), he still could handle himself well. While the impact of Nicholas leaving them behind may not have hit as hard without his death, they definitely could have used someone else. I think this is where The Walking Dead really started to go off the deep end, sadly, with the killing of characters.
Finally some love for noah, you should do a video about the possible outcomes if he wasn't killed off whether you think he would die in a specific season or if he'd make it through the whole show or even could make it into a spinoff
Brilliant idea, I will have to make that video in the future thank you for the suggestion!
Killing him was so so insanely unnecessary
🎶Everybody hates Chris…🎶
He could have contributed alot to rebuilding society in the walking dead
100% he was willing to learn and become a vital part in what they wanted to build
Fully agree with what you had to say here. Noah is one of those characters that should have gone on through multiple seasons to be like Glenn!
There's other characters within season 5(which you've mentioned) that fell victim to the writers wanting a shocking death for the numbers of the show. Beth and Tyreese back to back in s5e8 and e9. The early seasons of TWD always had an issue with killing off "the black guy". T-dog, Bob, Tyreese, Noah, Heath.
Tyreese himself deserves his own video, and he lived long after his comic counterpart, and both him and Beth had some of the worst deaths in the show(by how they died and for shock value).
Noah's death only added insult to injury over the course of this season's writing at times too(despite being one of the best).
That’s such a good point I will definitely have to make a video covering Tyreese he was another character that fell victim to puzzling writing
I need justice for my man tdog they killed him and everyone in the show forgot about him. He is the reason carol made it out of the prison.
Noah, Bob, Axl, Tobin and Morales are characters who I think needed more screen time.
In the comics axl is a serial killer. I think he was supposed to go on a killing spree, but Carol kind of took that role :/
@@andypmz07 wrong character, Axel was armed robbery
@damonlongstreet8630 my bad, I got mixed up with Thomas. I know the original intention was for Axel to be a serial killer in the show though it was scrapped.
The whole show became wasted potential.
I can’t help it everybody ate Chris
They got rid of pretty much any other character besides the original cast that anyone actually got backstory for or got attached to! This is exactly why when Carl died and Rick was set to exit the show the ratings plummeted and never recovered! If they’d built up some new characters and made you care about them then people would have kept watching after the original group was pretty much done.
TWD writer #1: "Ok, how many Black men do we have in the group?
TWD writer #2: "Umm; two, Father Gabriel, and Noah."
Writer #1: "Good, good, we're at our max."
TWD writer #3: "Remember guys, we're reintroducing Morgan in a few episodes!"
TWD writers 1 & 2: "Oh sh**, quick we have to kill off either Noah or Gabriel!"
I headcanon that Negan and the Saviors found the building he was in and saved him and take him in then him surviving til the Whisperer war and see him being a pike victim
Im glad somebody is still talking about TWD...Once I finished The ones who live i thought it was out of sight out of mind. Ty for the reminder
I could see him being killed by the Savior group lead by Dwight in episode 14 of season 6
Noah dies because every one hates Chris………………..
Yeah I hated his death I felt like he had finally found him a place to call home and some friends and he wanted to help protect the community just to be killed that same day. I think that if Noah didn’t die when he did he definitely would’ve died when Negan and his ppl came along. What I did find funny was that the white boy friends with Chris from Everyone hates Chris was also in TWD and died lol.
When noah died it really hurt and broke Glenn and Maggie was so extremely heartbroken. They both saw him like a brother and clung to him very quickly. The tight bond they shared was so short lived just like glenn and maggies lives together 💔 noah was barely grieving the loss of his family before he met his end, a fate too many shared in the universe.
Noah's death broke my heart. They were setting him up to be a pretty important character that would help build alexandria to new heights
First they kill beth and then noah? This feels personal
He was used as a plot device to get us to hate Nicholas,should've at least gave Nicholas a full redemption for his death to have some sort of reason, on and all,he should've lived more.
It would have been cool to see him and Carl become good homies over the course of the show.
As an architect IRL it was an exciting prospect to hear/see Reg teach Noah architecture through the lens of "survival/fortifications" as opposed to other traditional features of design. But also to be an architect it takes a minimum of 5 yrs of schooling and 6 professional licensure exams so im not sure it was really practical for noah to learn more than construction techniques unless they were planning to extend that story for 5-10 years
Noah was such a great character. I was almost as traumatized with his character’s death as I was traumatized with Glenn’s. It was such a waste of a great character. Beth’s life was traded for him to find his family all for nothing. I’m imagining him making it to Negan’s line up and watching over Maggie and Herschel in Glenn’s honor.
It was around this time that I stopped taking the show seriously & feel like I was trained not to care about any characters in any real way moving forward.
Noah’s death was wild smh he didn’t have to go out with a villain type of death
Literally what did Noah do to the writers behind the scenes to get that ending! 😭
Tyler James Williams was just phenomenal as Noah his death seen traumatized me
The Walking Dead and Wasted Potential go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly.
A filler character if there ever was one. They used him to drive Beth’s character, killed her off, then writers used the little characterization and backstory he had to kill him off.
It sucks because his actor was actually shining quite well in the role but wasn’t really given a chance.
Then we get Rosita/Gabriel/Ezekiel who ALL survive 3-5 Seasons past they're comic death, Gimple made it so Ovious he picked his favorites by actor and not character.
they've been killing off potential stories and characters for a long time..killed off carl just to replace him with another kill that guy off... noah felt the same a replacement for beth and he just got dead in the end.
Hey, it’s not the writers fault. Everybody hates Chris.
He was a great character, they shouldn't have killed him off so early
Literally MY FAVORITE character in the show! And it sucks my 5 favorite characters disappeared from TWD .. Bob, Morgan, Heath an Noah n Abraham.. would do anything to watch this show for the first time again and enjoy how much them 5 characters not only entertained me but changed me. Changed my perspective of life .. they all lived for certain reasons and they were all great men and deserved to see the great ending of the walking dead..
Tyler James Williams man I remember him from Everybody Hate Chris seeing him in The Walking Dead as Noah felt like his death was unnecessary making Beth pointless.
thank you for the video as promised! for sure wasted potential! but amazing death scene! one of the best of the show! but thinking a lill bit since he is a new character maybe he being alive could had changed the flow of the story some how
Everybody do be kinda hating Chris
Agreed, also did we find out what happened to Keith?
The problem was the show runner. The guy just loved his shocking deaths. When a character finally had character development going, well they were the next one to die.
Can you make a video essay on Daryl Dixon? I know he has a LOT of stuff to talk about now since he’s one of the surviving characters through TWD to the point where he got his own spin off, but i think it would be interesting to take a deep dive into his growth from the start of the show to the later seasons. Anyway good videos man, cheers from Washington US 🫡ps. I also think the scene with Beth and Daryl (she got Daryl to drink liquor) did a lot for the show as a whole
You forgot that Tyreese dies in name of Noah's arc, going with him to his house. So that's two characters with Beth, to introduce this underrated character.
His and Tyrese's deaths were two big unreasonable deaths that stood out to me thru the show. I would have loved to see how much of a de-facto uncle Tyrese would've been for Judith as she gets older and captures those core memories. People make the case that Hershel's death was unnecessary, but it was extremely valuable to the character development of the Survivors. Beth's absolutely hurt (I cry every watch), but given she played the role of the typical teen who's decision making wasn't the best, on top of becoming cold to the world since the Prison, she was more than likely going to do something foolish that gets her killed- kinda like Henry.
noah low key top 3 for me
Noah's death upset me the most of any character i think, Glenn's death was probably the hardest hitting but at least we had a long time with Glenn. We were just starting to get to know Noah and see his potential and then he was killed...
edit: the character death that actually upset me the most was Carl but that feels like a give in.
I loved Noah, I really wish he was on the show for longer and it is so disappointing he died so quick. Tbh i think it might've been possible that they would not be able to have the actor for longer even if they wanted to, because i mean that dude probably gets quite a lot of roles and might have not been available and doesn't usually play in that genre anyway
I like the idea that Noah could have been an architect to help with the Saviours war. It was sad seeing Beth go but if Noah became a prominent character in the later seasons then it would have been worth it. I still don’t think Tyreese needed to die for Noah’s short lived story arc either. Noah could have been Maggie’s protégé as well as Enid at Hilltop. I honestly think he could have stuck around until season 8 or 9 and die then.
Can't go back, Bob.
I would've honestly loved to see Noah and Reggie to live. Noah could've become an architect of some sorts for Alexandria after being taught by Reggie. Would've been a great character ark
I've been unintentionally following this man's career since he was a child. Between Lab rats, Everybody hates Chris, TWD and Abbott Elementary; I feel like I've been watching a mini multiverse saga all loosely centered around him 🤣
He even kinda plays the same role in each iteration.
Really like the videos but I think you could cut back on the intro (as in just scenes from the show) quite a lot.
Beth's death was so unexpected, I jumped off the couch when it happened and shouted "NO!" Her death was for nothing because they killed Noah off. You're right that it seems like the show was just starting to kill off good characters for shock and nothing more.
Honestly, the whole fanbase was weird when it came to Noah. Basically, the common responses at the time these episodes aired was like this:
When Beth died: "NO! Noah killed Beth!"
When Tyrese died: "NO! Noah killed Tyrese!"
When Noah died: "NO! NOAH!"
Hahahaha so true!
In hindsight S5 was great cause we lost alot of characters however the show did very little with those deaths.
Imagine if he met Patrick their bromance would be great hit it off like they were best friends
Noah, Beth, Dale and Jenner
Had so much potential. like imagine interaction between Dr. Jenner and Eugene or Dale and Negan
Honestly, if Noah stuck around, him and Carl could've been Season 9's Rick&Daryl.
damn I thought he lasted a season at least
that's criminal
There are very few periphery characters that were any good. Noah, Tyrese, and Bob were the few good characters lost too soon
i kinda like it when twd will kill a lot of characters quickly or kill a character with a lot of potential that was going in a good direction, the "shock value" in this show is almost realistic in the sense that ANYONE could die at any moment, it doesnt matter if your a badass or an architect, things will always go wrong and when things go wrong people die
Tyler is also a great actor. It would have been truly fulfilling to see Beth, Noah, Carl, Judith, Enid, Henry, Mini Hershel, and eventually a child from Abraham and Sasha would have been a good end, the children and young adults would have made a good end.
The Walking Dead I felt cared more about shock value than story.... so many characters had so much potential, and they just wasted them for the purpose of leaving fans shocked. But it actually caused many to stop watching...
Noah was full of hope and wanted to make a contribution towards rebuilding society. He was doomed from the start. To survive the Walking Dead universe one must embrace a nihilistic view of the world and an expectation of bad behavior on the part of humanity. It didn’t help that he was going to start shooting Abbot Elementary in a more prominent role. He died so that a great TV show may live.
Noah's character reminds me a mix of Glenn and Bob 💯
5x08was the beginning of the end of TWd for me, bad choices after bad choices, Beth was the start of this cycle. Emily deserved better, and Noah.
Agreed. I really liked Noah. It actually wasn't that hard for me to sort of bond with the character
Noah was my favorite character at the time of his death 💯
Noah and Sadiq (sorry if I misspelled) both have the worst case scenario I think. They both were saved at the cost of one of youngest and most important characters getting killed by accident right before they reach their peak. Both bringing in a major element of heart that just got ripped away. Only to rip it away again shortly after by horrifically killing the void filling character off too pretty shortly after. Same thing with Henry except even worse because he also filled the hole left behind by Carl’s death and was yet another child that poor Carol has to bury.
He died because Morgan was back. If a new black man turns up, the last main character black man dies lol pay attention to the earlier seasons, it happens a lot lol
Noah and Beth had amazing potential and the writers killed them off for no particular reason.
What I hate is they gave him the most brutal looking death in the entire show(for all I know, I stopped watching mid season 9). And it was avoidable too, that pissed me off.
They could have kept him on a little longer . The actress who played Tara only signed on for three seasons how she ended up being on the show for 6 years is beyond me
noah was such a good character i really liked him his death made me very sad sucks he died he had potential
If TWD is going to build up a character with a potential arc, they should ensure that if they shockingly kill the character off that it ALWAYS has a significant impact on the plot.
Instead, TWD decided to just recycle characters after building them up repeatedly without giving any of them any meaning.
You should do a “Wasted potential of Shiva in twd” please 🙏
I still get sad when I think about Noah’s death