Glad you are enjoying the content, Thanks for the kind words. Send a video over of your revised Distal Knot, maybe on Facebook and I can take a look and see if I can make some time to test it for you. Tight Lines Bud.
I def will try this knot out, hope you have a name patent or something for it! I can see switching it out for the uni which I like but add a double wrap around the eyelet or swivel like you’ve explained is better previously. Love your videos man
Hi Peter, really appreciate your comments, encouragement from subscribers is really helpful, so thx again. I go into a little more depth where I see it fit on certain knots in the “Overview” videos so take a look at that. Glad you like the knot, let me k is how you get on. Tightlines and stay safe.
Hey Nick, glad you like it, it won’t disappoint. Thx for feedback on catch phrase, probably showing my age if it’s a bit “dorky”🤣😂, I like the shorter version also, did play with the words for a while. Be good to hear how you get on with your trip. Stay Toit.
Warren, Hello from Long Island, NY. I just watched a video where the improved clinch that what is tied on a hook using Fluorocarbon line. I did not brake, it had merely slipped through the hook. I’m fishing braided line with a swivel, I used The improved clinch knot to attach my leader. After watching your video I, will definitely give it a try and see how it works.
Hi Marc, thanks for watching and thanks for reaching out. The improved clinch knot is probably not the best knot to use for braid. You need to use many wraps and the tuck thru is fairly specific, I have explained this on my Improved clinch knot How to Video series. The Toit knot is basically an overwrapped improved clinch knot with a mid tuck under the eyelet wraps, similar to a Trilene knot where the tuck goes thru at end of Trilene. The direction of the eyelet wrap to the initial wraps is really important too.
For Fluorocarbon, the strongest knot is the AG Chain knot. You only have to pass thru the hook eye or swivel twice and not three times. The first half hitches go thru that loop and what happens when you do destructive testing with a line tester, the main line actually pulls up on that loop and not constrict it. You only need 5-7 set of alternating half hitches. For example, in a twice thru chain knot, pass thru swivel twice and pass tag end under or over the main line(under if your main line is at the bottom and over if your main line is at the top of the loop) and thru the loop. After you do this, just slight tension to keep that half hitches tight to the swivel. Now start with alternating half hitches. I like to start by going over the top of the main line and having the tag end appears at the bottom of the half hitches. Then the next one is under the main line. Repeat 5-7 times and then finish with a twice thru half hitch to lock it down. Here's the number with two popular brand of line that you probably have access to down under: Seaguar Invizx 25 lbs and Yozuri Top Knot 25 lbs. For Seaguar Invizx 25 lbs, the actual unknotted strength is 29 lbs. The Palomar knot broke at 18.38 lbs, the Toit knot broke at 19.38 lbs, the Benjamin knot(closed loop bimini twist) broke at 27.48 lbs, and the 7 set AG chain knot(14+1 finishing half hitch) breaks at 28.31 or 98 % knot strength. For Yozuri Top Knot 25 lbs, the actual breaking strength is 27.49 lbs. Palomar 18.06 = 66%, Double Palomar 19.62/27.49 = 72%. The AG chain knot with 7 set broke at 27.32 and the AG chain knot with 5 set broke at 26.81. Both are better than 98%. For Fluorocarbon, the AG chain knot does the least damage and if you zoom in on it during destructive testing, you will see why it works so well. It is a non constrictive knot. Follow the tension on the main line. It goes thru the chain but there is no tension on the tag end to cut the main line. So the main line goes thru the hook eye twice and up the alternating chain that actually expands and allows the main line to reach full strength before eventually breaking. Unlike your other youtube testers, I also have the ability to test unknotted strength of a line sample so my percentage is correct, not some bogus untested 100% knot strength claim without actually knowing what the line actual breaking strength is.
I learned this knot today. Going to fish it exclusively across all line types this spring and see how it stacks up against my old favorites. If your results in this video play out in the real world I have a new favorite knot. This is coming from a fisherman that is completely obsessed with fishing knots. Always looking for the best knot possible. I’ll let you know when I have some results.
Hi Micah Williams, thanks for the feedback and thanks for taking the time to view the videos. I would appreciate any feedback on the knot and actually any feedback on the videos also. My testing videos do take a while to get all the data for the testing, hence I have only done a few knots at the moment there are about 27 Terminal Knots on my to do list so I will hopefully get around to testing all these knots, so its more than likely the leaderboard may change at some point especially when we look at a the double configurations to many knots. Good Luck with the Toit Knot, looking forward to your feedback. Tightlines and let us know how you get on in Spring.
@@toitfishing I fished with the Toit knot a lot over the last year. The toit performed well. However, some time ago I discovered the Miller knot. The Miller knot has many of the same features of the Toit but I find it easier to tie and that it tightens down more consistently and uniformly. I have also found the Miller knot to be stronger than the Toit and every other knot I've tested. Including the palomar, pitzen, san diego jam, clinch, improved clinch, trilene, and many more. Overall, I commend your efforts with the toit knot and I can appreciate our shared interest in fishing knots.
Looks like a nice knot. I've been using the san diego jam knot which hasn't failed me yet. I wish it was added to your list, I would be interested in how it performs.
Ive been looking for another everyday knot because I was having problems with previous knots I've used. I had settled on the Double San Diego Jam Knot which I love but I'll give yours a try too just to compare.
@@toitfishing 🤣🤣👍🏻 I picked up certain parts of your accent and thought you sounded a little South African 👍🏻 will definitely try this knot out when I’m fishing 🎣 again , tried it out just on my bench and it was much stronger than the usual knots I tie ! Thanks 🙏🏻 for that ! Much appreciated !
Yeah no hiding it. I arrived in UK in 1998 so my accent has faded somewhat, my family back in S.A. really do laugh a lot when I go home to visit. It must be weird for them.
I have spend about 1 year trying different knots for hooks swivels, main line (braided line) to leaders (mono and FC) and pretty much settled down on the knots (PR for braid to leader), improved uni for braid and will give this knot a try fro hooks and swivels as I used FC most if not all the time. One question, I am a vertical jigger and wondering if this knot can be used for the jigs? I think it should be as the leader will absorb the pull...thoughts? 😀
Yeah I would use it for all your terminal Tackle. I would also look for an alternative line to line just in case fish running and you need to get something tied fast. If you look At the last line to line knot I did you will see the WSFK episode on Slim Beauty worth k owing and really strong. Tight lines.
Shouldn't this actually be named the improved Trilene. The Trilene is the main guts of the Toit knot. Just changed the finish to help the tag end not slipping through under very high tension. GREAT JOB.
Hi Zebman, Well technically anything tied with a Clinch knot derivative could be an improved clinch knot of which there are many many knots. There may be one or two similarities to the Trilene (Double Loop at eyelet with tuck) but the two knots are very different. the secret to the Toit knot is the tuck under in the middle of the over wrapped clinch knot, whereas the Trilene is not over wrapped and the tuck is at end of knot. I guess I wanted to call it the Toit Knot.
For Mono if you just do 3 up and 3 down. Use 4 on braid up and down. I use it on all my shark fishing, some of my line shy rigs are tied with 400lb Momoi mono leader and it actually cinches up really well. Be interested to hear how you get on. Just remember the direction of the wrap around eyelet is important relative to the other wraps. Tightlines.
thanks for this and all the other videos! Could you test the Davy Knot? I'd like to know how much strength I'm losing by using this fast and easy knot. (I use the Davy while fishing the Hex hatch at night -- gnats flying in my face while tying on a fly, so I need a knot that ties in 5 seconds, not 10, not 15, etc.
I would like to see this knot compared to fish’n fool knot which is basically uni kont with double wrap around swivel. It is the strongest knot according to some tests and simple to tie.
I have been using the Toit knot since seeing this video just after it was released on mostly my swivels and trace connections. I am curious to find out how the Toit knot will perform against the snell knot for a hook connection, and more specifically to a circle hook. I found that the snell knot is unparalleled in perfect hook sets with a circle hook and the snell knot has never failed me. Any comments, data or opinions about this statement? I would love to hear or see a video from you with the data. Have a lekker day!
Hi Martin, Glad you are using the Toit Knot. I am as we speak testing the Albright Knot and just finished the Blood Knot so I am hoping to do a few more line to line connections and then was hoping to introduce some loop Knots. But I do like requests :) So I may get the Snell Knot in before going back to Loop Knots. I do like the Snell Knot and agree its a good knot. I think one of the shortfalls to the snell under extreme load might be the quality of the eyelet detail particularly the deburring of the end of the hook wire. If for instance you left some slack on the Mono or Fluoro and it was aloud to creep backwards and bight into this area of the eyelet it may cut into the line. I am eager to get this knot tested and it would be good to see how it behaves in a controlled environment. It would also be good to see it on one of these really expensive braised eye hooks, It may turn out to be really really good. Traditionally I only tie Snell knots on Snell hooks with the bent eyelet but I have seen many people tie it on just about any hook. It might be worth expanding this when I look at testing the knot as it will depend a lot on the type and quality of the wire also. Tight Lines and have a lekker day!
@@toitfishing Thank you so much for the reply Waren. I really appreciate it. I love your Toit knot and I am very glad its part of my arsenal. I am looking forward in seeing some videos from you testing it and which hooks, or eye of the hook, performs best. Not that you are testing hooks but also how the snell knot performs under your tests. Thank you for your videos, and all the trouble you go through to make them. Its truely top quality and awesome work.
Evening Desert Rain, possibly yes and no. I think it will take me a lifetime to test all the knots to this standard so there may be another I have not got to test yet. On lighter lines many knots perform in the high 90's especially on anything 10 lb and less. The lines are just so much more supple and can cope with all the bending and twisting within the geometry of the knot. I would say this the Bimini Twist on Mono is hard to beat, actually I have never had it break anywhere near the knot. The Toit Knot for simplicity will be hard to beat also. Its really hard for me being too biased to this knot as I want to stay unbiased as possible, but this knot really delivers in all respects. I think over time 10-15 years this knot will certainly gain momentum and as more adopt it in their fishing endeavors I think it will eventually come out on top, well that's my gut feeling and opinion. Tightlines and thx for your continued support
Hi William, unfortunately not. One of the hidden secrets to the knot is this tuck under the wraps at the hook eyelet or the swivel eyelet. It has a similar technique to the Trilene knot on this aspect of the knot and what gives it an edge. This detail would be difficult to replicate when joining two pieces of line to create this locking ability. If I ever find a way I will let you know 1st :) Oh that is the best way with fishing also try everything, you never know how good something new may be or how bad for that matter, I do love Fanta Grape tho.....Tightlines and let me know how you get on?
Hi Ranechel, thx for watching. I have got both the Double Uni Knot and the Improved Uni Knot with 2 wraps around the eyelet on my to do list. Tightlines, and take a look at the current videos I have on the Uni knot.
I’ve tried this knot hundreds of times and never get it to work correctly. I’ve had enough with it. To many others that are much easier to tie. I dont believe any line over 30 pounds can’t be tied with this knot without burning and compromising the line.
There is no fish n fool knot. The guy just added more wraps to the improved uni and stamped his name on it... And yes toit hasn't dared to test the improved uni vs his improved trilene knot... or "toit knot".
It sounds to me like your knot only performed mediocre. The Fish-N-Fool knot which won the Knot Wars TV show tested at well over 100% knot strength with all line types and almost 140% with braided line.
How can a knot be over 100% of the line’s strength? Like Toit shows he measures the true line strength not what the manufacturer has on the label. Therefore the Knot Wars results are inaccurateand irrelevant.
I love new knots! I've revised the Distal knot myself and wish I had the testing ability that you have....
Glad you are enjoying the content, Thanks for the kind words. Send a video over of your revised Distal Knot, maybe on Facebook and I can take a look and see if I can make some time to test it for you. Tight Lines Bud.
I’d love to see a spreadsheet or chart that lists all the knots and the recommended wraps or turns for each line type and strength.
Love this knot
Kind words, thank you David.
Have you tried the double uni and double pitzen?
I def will try this knot out, hope you have a name patent or something for it! I can see switching it out for the uni which I like but add a double wrap around the eyelet or swivel like you’ve explained is better previously. Love your videos man
Hi Peter, really appreciate your comments, encouragement from subscribers is really helpful, so thx again. I go into a little more depth where I see it fit on certain knots in the “Overview” videos so take a look at that. Glad you like the knot, let me k is how you get on.
Tightlines and stay safe.
I will be trying this. Thanks.
Hi Phil, Merry Christmas, great, glad you like it, let me know how you get on. Tightlines.
Hey mate,
Love the knot..will be giving it a go offshore shortly. Catch phrase is O.K....maybe just "stay Toit," would be less dorky :)
Hey Nick, glad you like it, it won’t disappoint. Thx for feedback on catch phrase, probably showing my age if it’s a bit “dorky”🤣😂, I like the shorter version also, did play with the words for a while.
Be good to hear how you get on with your trip. Stay Toit.
Warren, Hello from Long Island, NY. I just watched a video where the improved clinch that what is tied on a hook using Fluorocarbon line. I did not brake, it had merely slipped through the hook. I’m fishing braided line with a swivel, I used The improved clinch knot to attach my leader. After watching your video I, will definitely give it a try and see how it works.
Hi Marc, thanks for watching and thanks for reaching out. The improved clinch knot is probably not the best knot to use for braid. You need to use many wraps and the tuck thru is fairly specific, I have explained this on my Improved clinch knot How to Video series.
The Toit knot is basically an overwrapped improved clinch knot with a mid tuck under the eyelet wraps, similar to a Trilene knot where the tuck goes thru at end of Trilene. The direction of the eyelet wrap to the initial wraps is really important too.
Let me know how you get on with the Toit knot.
For Fluorocarbon, the strongest knot is the AG Chain knot. You only have to pass thru the hook eye or swivel twice and not three times. The first half hitches go thru that loop and what happens when you do destructive testing with a line tester, the main line actually pulls up on that loop and not constrict it. You only need 5-7 set of alternating half hitches. For example, in a twice thru chain knot, pass thru swivel twice and pass tag end under or over the main line(under if your main line is at the bottom and over if your main line is at the top of the loop) and thru the loop. After you do this, just slight tension to keep that half hitches tight to the swivel. Now start with alternating half hitches. I like to start by going over the top of the main line and having the tag end appears at the bottom of the half hitches. Then the next one is under the main line. Repeat 5-7 times and then finish with a twice thru half hitch to lock it down.
Here's the number with two popular brand of line that you probably have access to down under: Seaguar Invizx 25 lbs and Yozuri Top Knot 25 lbs. For Seaguar Invizx 25 lbs, the actual unknotted strength is 29 lbs. The Palomar knot broke at 18.38 lbs, the Toit knot broke at 19.38 lbs, the Benjamin knot(closed loop bimini twist) broke at 27.48 lbs, and the 7 set AG chain knot(14+1 finishing half hitch) breaks at 28.31 or 98 % knot strength.
For Yozuri Top Knot 25 lbs, the actual breaking strength is 27.49 lbs. Palomar 18.06 = 66%, Double Palomar 19.62/27.49 = 72%. The AG chain knot with 7 set broke at 27.32 and the AG chain knot with 5 set broke at 26.81. Both are better than 98%. For Fluorocarbon, the AG chain knot does the least damage and if you zoom in on it during destructive testing, you will see why it works so well. It is a non constrictive knot. Follow the tension on the main line. It goes thru the chain but there is no tension on the tag end to cut the main line. So the main line goes thru the hook eye twice and up the alternating chain that actually expands and allows the main line to reach full strength before eventually breaking. Unlike your other youtube testers, I also have the ability to test unknotted strength of a line sample so my percentage is correct, not some bogus untested 100% knot strength claim without actually knowing what the line actual breaking strength is.
I learned this knot today. Going to fish it exclusively across all line types this spring and see how it stacks up against my old favorites.
If your results in this video play out in the real world I have a new favorite knot.
This is coming from a fisherman that is completely obsessed with fishing knots. Always looking for the best knot possible.
I’ll let you know when I have some results.
Hi Micah Williams, thanks for the feedback and thanks for taking the time to view the videos. I would appreciate any feedback on the knot and actually any feedback on the videos also. My testing videos do take a while to get all the data for the testing, hence I have only done a few knots at the moment there are about 27 Terminal Knots on my to do list so I will hopefully get around to testing all these knots, so its more than likely the leaderboard may change at some point especially when we look at a the double configurations to many knots. Good Luck with the Toit Knot, looking forward to your feedback. Tightlines and let us know how you get on in Spring.
@@toitfishing My favorite for fluorocarbon has been the double pitzen. It does great for me. Double line uni knot also.
I have got the double Pitzen on my to do list, I will let you know I get around to testing that.
@@toitfishing I fished with the Toit knot a lot over the last year. The toit performed well. However, some time ago I discovered the Miller knot. The Miller knot has many of the same features of the Toit but I find it easier to tie and that it tightens down more consistently and uniformly. I have also found the Miller knot to be stronger than the Toit and every other knot I've tested. Including the palomar, pitzen, san diego jam, clinch, improved clinch, trilene, and many more. Overall, I commend your efforts with the toit knot and I can appreciate our shared interest in fishing knots.
Looks like a nice knot. I've been using the san diego jam knot which hasn't failed me yet. I wish it was added to your list, I would be interested in how it performs.
Yes that’s a great knot also. I am
doing the Pitzen Knot next. And then the San Diego Jam knot. Tight lines, and it should be interesting for sure.
@Arthur Unknown I will add this to my list for WSK testing, thank you.
I've tried them all. I use the trilene knot and the Springer knot...besides snelling the hook.....
Ive been looking for another everyday knot because I was having problems with previous knots I've used. I had settled on the Double San Diego Jam Knot which I love but I'll give yours a try too just to compare.
How are you getting on with the Toit Knot? Tightlines
Lekker my bru ! 👍🏻awesome knot !
Can’t say anyone called me that in years… 😂🤣Thx pal, let me know how you get on. Tightlines
I should have said Stywe Lyne….
@@toitfishing 🤣🤣👍🏻 I picked up certain parts of your accent and thought you sounded a little South African 👍🏻 will definitely try this knot out when I’m fishing 🎣 again , tried it out just on my bench and it was much stronger than the usual knots I tie ! Thanks 🙏🏻 for that ! Much appreciated !
Yeah no hiding it. I arrived in UK in 1998 so my accent has faded somewhat, my family back in S.A. really do laugh a lot when I go home to visit. It must be weird for them.
I have spend about 1 year trying different knots for hooks swivels, main line (braided line) to leaders (mono and FC) and pretty much settled down on the knots (PR for braid to leader), improved uni for braid and will give this knot a try fro hooks and swivels as I used FC most if not all the time. One question, I am a vertical jigger and wondering if this knot can be used for the jigs? I think it should be as the leader will absorb the pull...thoughts?
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Yeah I would use it for all your terminal
Tackle. I would also look for an alternative line to line just in case fish running and you need to get something tied fast. If you look
At the last line to line knot I did you will see the WSFK episode on Slim Beauty worth k owing and really strong. Tight lines.
Shouldn't this actually be named the improved Trilene. The Trilene is the main guts of the Toit knot. Just changed the finish to help the tag end not slipping through under very high tension. GREAT JOB.
Hi Zebman, Well technically anything tied with a Clinch knot derivative could be an improved clinch knot of which there are many many knots. There may be one or two similarities to the Trilene (Double Loop at eyelet with tuck) but the two knots are very different. the secret to the Toit knot is the tuck under in the middle of the over wrapped clinch knot, whereas the Trilene is not over wrapped and the tuck is at end of knot. I guess I wanted to call it the Toit Knot.
Great data, wow really impressive, you need to look out for your eyes, close call.
Yeah safety glasses are a must when testing knots and line.
Curious to see how it ties with my 100 lbs mono. I always find the trilene knot hard to tie with heavier line and this has more wraps...
For Mono if you just do 3 up and 3 down. Use 4 on braid up and down. I use it on all my shark fishing, some of my line shy rigs are tied with 400lb Momoi mono leader and it actually cinches up really well. Be interested to hear how you get on. Just remember the direction of the wrap around eyelet is important relative to the other wraps. Tightlines.
thanks for this and all the other videos! Could you test the Davy Knot? I'd like to know how much strength I'm losing by using this fast and easy knot. (I use the Davy while fishing the Hex hatch at night -- gnats flying in my face while tying on a fly, so I need a knot that ties in 5 seconds, not 10, not 15, etc.
Definitely its on my to do list, just been so mental busy. I will definitely get around to doing this knot, it is so easy to tie.
I would like to see this knot compared to fish’n fool knot which is basically uni kont with double wrap around swivel. It is the strongest knot according to some tests and simple to tie.
I have been using the Toit knot since seeing this video just after it was released on mostly my swivels and trace connections. I am curious to find out how the Toit knot will perform against the snell knot for a hook connection, and more specifically to a circle hook. I found that the snell knot is unparalleled in perfect hook sets with a circle hook and the snell knot has never failed me. Any comments, data or opinions about this statement? I would love to hear or see a video from you with the data. Have a lekker day!
Hi Martin, Glad you are using the Toit Knot. I am as we speak testing the Albright Knot and just finished the Blood Knot so I am hoping to do a few more line to line connections and then was hoping to introduce some loop Knots. But I do like requests :) So I may get the Snell Knot in before going back to Loop Knots.
I do like the Snell Knot and agree its a good knot. I think one of the shortfalls to the snell under extreme load might be the quality of the eyelet detail particularly the deburring of the end of the hook wire. If for instance you left some slack on the Mono or Fluoro and it was aloud to creep backwards and bight into this area of the eyelet it may cut into the line. I am eager to get this knot tested and it would be good to see how it behaves in a controlled environment. It would also be good to see it on one of these really expensive braised eye hooks, It may turn out to be really really good. Traditionally I only tie Snell knots on Snell hooks with the bent eyelet but I have seen many people tie it on just about any hook. It might be worth expanding this when I look at testing the knot as it will depend a lot on the type and quality of the wire also.
Tight Lines and have a lekker day!
@@toitfishing Thank you so much for the reply Waren. I really appreciate it. I love your Toit knot and I am very glad its part of my arsenal. I am looking forward in seeing some videos from you testing it and which hooks, or eye of the hook, performs best. Not that you are testing hooks but also how the snell knot performs under your tests. Thank you for your videos, and all the trouble you go through to make them. Its truely top quality and awesome work.
@Toit Fishing have you tried this knot with the line doubled over?
Is it possible that this is the strongest knot that can be tied for 10-15 pound mono? 99+% is craziness. Especially for a relatively easy to tie knot.
Evening Desert Rain, possibly yes and no. I think it will take me a lifetime to test all the knots to this standard so there may be another I have not got to test yet. On lighter lines many knots perform in the high 90's especially on anything 10 lb and less. The lines are just so much more supple and can cope with all the bending and twisting within the geometry of the knot. I would say this the Bimini Twist on Mono is hard to beat, actually I have never had it break anywhere near the knot. The Toit Knot for simplicity will be hard to beat also. Its really hard for me being too biased to this knot as I want to stay unbiased as possible, but this knot really delivers in all respects. I think over time 10-15 years this knot will certainly gain momentum and as more adopt it in their fishing endeavors I think it will eventually come out on top, well that's my gut feeling and opinion. Tightlines and thx for your continued support
thank you useful
You are welcome, Thanks for Watching.
Have you tested the double pitzen knot?
I have tried a coke, fanta, fanta grape and tea. Next is your knot...... a quick question can you use your knot to tie a leader to your main line?
Hi William, unfortunately not. One of the hidden secrets to the knot is this tuck under the wraps at the hook eyelet or the swivel eyelet. It has a similar technique to the Trilene knot on this aspect of the knot and what gives it an edge. This detail would be difficult to replicate when joining two pieces of line to create this locking ability. If I ever find a way I will let you know 1st :)
Oh that is the best way with fishing also try everything, you never know how good something new may be or how bad for that matter, I do love Fanta Grape tho.....Tightlines and let me know how you get on?
Double uni knot is strong
Hi Ranechel, thx for watching. I have got both the Double Uni Knot and the Improved Uni Knot with 2 wraps around the eyelet on my to do list. Tightlines, and take a look at the current videos I have on the Uni knot.
I’ve tried this knot hundreds of times and never get it to work correctly. I’ve had enough with it. To many others that are much easier to tie. I dont believe any line over 30 pounds can’t be tied with this knot without burning and compromising the line.
You left out testing 100lb fluorocarbon which makes me suspect the results were poor.
Fish N Fool knot stronger than the Toit knot. Why not add that to the test ?
There is no fish n fool knot. The guy just added more wraps to the improved uni and stamped his name on it...
And yes toit hasn't dared to test the improved uni vs his improved trilene knot... or "toit knot".
It sounds to me like your knot only performed mediocre. The Fish-N-Fool knot which won the Knot Wars TV show tested at well over 100% knot strength with all line types and almost 140% with braided line.
How can a knot be over 100% of the line’s strength? Like Toit shows he measures the true line strength not what the manufacturer has on the label. Therefore the Knot Wars results are inaccurateand irrelevant.