Fishing Knot Testing - What's the best Braid to Leader knot?
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Testing the characteristics of 5 popular braid to Leader Knots.
0:00 Intro
0:47 Braid and Leader testing
3:54 Improved Albright Knot
5:18 Alberto Knot
6:51 Double Uni Knot
8:10 FG Knot
9:45 PR Knot
11:18 Final Results
11:18 Comments
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Best fishing line testing channel on UA-cam and best explanation and gets to the point 10/10 for your efforts mate 👏👏
Thanks 👍
As usual EXCELLENT testing! I have confidence in the FG. The knot has never broken on me. It has been a break below the knot. You’re right, PRACTICE!
FG all the way and this is my favorite fishing line test channel 👍
Very well made video and testing, but for most if not all bass fishermen out there, I would suggest using a leader size that is smaller then the braid, preferably what is most commonly used, like 20lb braid on 12 lb leader. THAT would be interesting (although FG will win) and more realistic. Thanks.
I had a feeling the FG knot would come out on top, great testing 👍🏼
Great video explaining where tue knot breaks. You get an understanding or more reasons why I have ended up using an FG for all
Glad to see someone using real testing equipment, not buckets of water, tug of war, etc. Unfortunately, Warren duToit across the pond stopped his knot testing. Check him out sometime.
I have watched quite a bit of their stuff and it's great. But yeah they have seemed to of dropped off lately
ill gladly accept 3rd place for the alberto knot its my personal go to knot for braid to mono and ive never had issues with it i started FG knots with braid when i first did bumpers but it takes so long and is not exactly easy to do on the bank when you have to completely redo a set up so i choose the alberto knot for its speed and strength i had done the double uni knot before and had issues but the alberto knot never seems to fail me so im happy with it
Yep. It's fast and easy to learn. I spend a good amount of time changing lures out, looking for bass.
Alberto is my go-to. Never had any issues with it, ever!
For short leaders 10' or less I started using the super easy Surgeons knot. 4 wraps, no spit, no nonsense. Tight lines!
If you're tying braid to mono then that knot will be pretty weak, the braid digs into the mono.
I've been using mostly Albright (not improved) knot since before it existed.. Cam up on my own when braid first came to market in USA and it's never failed me. I have used a few other knots recommended but always come back due to speed, thinness and no failure. Fg knot just takes too much time. I used to burn the tag ends decades ago but gave up. I periodically will use glue over.
Glad I found this channel. Great job preparing and administering the tests. I express my deep gratitude. Please continue your work so that both you and we can learn new things and learn new details about how to improve our equipment.
That was a very detailed description of these knots. Thank you for your test. I have been watching videos on this subject your test confirmed that the FG knot was the go to knot
Greatly appreciate the time to do this! Mahalo
i’ve done similar test at home , ow outcomes are similar, fg knot is my go to if i’m in a rush 6x surgeon knot (30% less then fg) ,followed by the double uni 55% below fg breaking strain.
thanks for all tests !!!
thanks for all tests you do for us, keep going!
Another great testing video - thanks. I always use the FG if I have time to tie it, with a braid-doubled alberto as an on-water backup. Good to know that the alberto is > 60% breaking strain.
The best fishing related channel out there!
Thanks for another great vid
Just subscribed!!
Maybe a video testing spliceable hollow core in the future?
And the final comments is great advice, thank you.
Great video.
Thank you for this very informative video.
I become FG knot believer since i know this knot, never disappointed me.
Awesome information
Gran trabajo,gracias por el video.❤
Thanks for this test
Nice test and I have to learn the FG !
well done, thank you.
How about testing the yucatan knot and the triple surgeons knot. These are easy and quick for older folks with not so nimble fingers and not so great vision to tie in the boat in a hurry. Also the slim beauty knot which is what I use when i retie at home with plenty of light and no wind. But, watching these tests I am probably going to switch to an Alberto knot. I am also thinking you will probably test terminal knots in the future.
For heavy fishing always FG knot...its simply the best,very good job my friend
This is why I keep my old Stradics with two spools.
If I bust off, I just change the spool.
And keep fishing.
FG all the way.
hola all my fg's lol 😂 also a lighter to melt the tag of the fg leader tag to a cup shape helps reduce line catching on rod eyes 👍 moisten lines first 👍
Thanks that was very informative, I would love to see if this holds true (I expect it will) if the two lines have similar diameters (maybe braid/braid). Would also be awesome to see a slowmo side view. Great work thanks as always!
Спасибо!! Это было очень интересно!!
Thanks ❤
Damn awesome!
Pr and FG ARE BOTH GREAT, JUST THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BOBBIN FOR PR OTHERWISE YOU LOSE A LOT OF STRENGTH IN THE KNOT.
Very nice and interesting this one. Great job. I did noticed that for the double uni know you made only 3 leader loops and braid 5. I use to make 9 loops on the braid and 6 in the leader ,and i use this knot with 8 pound braid and 10 pound leader just for not very big fish ,Trout, Australian Salmon, and stuff like that. Said that could you please try this one just to see how does it goes??? Ps:for serious fish i use the FG knot and never had a problem so far...thanks in advance 😊
Love the tests! Any chance of testing shock vs regular leaders? Like shock nylon leader and shock fluoro leader against non shock variants? Seems like there’s an increase in pushing shock leaders in the current market. Sometimes it feels like a scam/marketing hype.
Yeah that's definitely an interesting one that we will look into.
Thanks for all that work, you can see that's all done very seriously.
Now I wonder the differences while using lighter lines, like a 12/16 lb fc leader. My guess is that the % gap between the knots will be minor, like the "poor" performance with the double uni is due to the big diameter of the fluoro squeezing hard on the braid
Amazing test. One thought, that maybe with these kind of strong thick lines it is hard to put a lot of tension before half hitch, maybe only if a man is a bodybuilder, I believe it is possible to do more than 90% on fg. x4 braids seem to work better for me, especially braid to monofilament. Also, many years ago I spent all day with ygk x3 to swivel knots . And one time got 100% but it was double lined clinch with 25 or 26 wraps. (Pe 0.25 or 0.6 can't remember)
Ive watched numerous knot tests. Seems like most braids tests near twice the labeled breaking strength. Meanwhile the braid breaks close to its label when you tie a uni or uni to uni knot. I think braid companies know this and take it into account when they label thier product
Good test sir.
May I ask, did you try a 5 wrap leader/10wrap braid for the dbl uni? The uni numbers seem very low.
Also, I hope you plan on following this up with a test with nylon instead of fluorocarbon.
Something like a Platypus hard armour or Schneider would be lovely to see.
Thanks for your work!
Oh hell yea UA-cam finally recommends me a channel I want to see more of! Any other braid comparison chart I’ve seen has Yo-Zuri Superbraid making all other braids look weak, pretty please add that to your testing? I’ll send you some new spools of the line if you want me to!
Yes i have just received some Yo-Zuri samples so we will test it soon.
You should link a tutorial or upload a video of your way of doing the fg knot
I may do a quick video on this if I get some time
@@thelinelaboratory It would be amazing. You can do UA-cam shorts about it (I prefer videos over shorts but it would be a nice way of integrating those kind of videos in your channel). I love your channel and I am talking about it to all my friends here in Spain :)
Great test ! thanks for taking the time and effort on this one ! Would you expect different results using a lighter fluro or mono as the leader?
Its possible, but hard to say for sure unless its tested. I believe Toit may of done a series of tests on different weight lines.
Please try Climax braided line & Berkley Trilene Big Game. Thank you
Dear Sirs, thank you very much for sharing your test: it's a really well performed test, following a good metrological scheme ... perhaps 3 times are not a real good sample size, for instance in SPC the usual sampling requires 5 measures, but I appreciate your efforts. I regret, as angler, only one thing: you did not test the SC knot and several Japanese tests have already demonstrated that SC knot is stronger than FG one, furthermore SC knot is easier and quicker to tie ... would you like try it, please?
Surely double uni with more wraps would be better, I usually do 6-10 each side but I have found that it breaks easy if there is a big difference in diameter of the leader to braid
Its one thing tyin a knot at home, and doin a knot on rocks with waves splashin on ya. The Alberto knot (or slight variation) is simple to tie for me in those circumstances, and does the job.
The best knot is one you can tie well
Practice.
Couldn't agree more, pick one that works for you and practice it. An average FG will be likely worse than something else that's tied perfectly.
The PR seems even more time consuming than FG-knot so I'll stick with the latter. Never failed me for my freshwater and light inshore fishing.
Couldn't agree more. With a bit of practice the FG is a couple of minutes max
Very nice video fantastic work. This shows exactly why a good knot is important and how much extra you can push your line.
I test a lot of my knots as well and all ways tie a FG knot when i have time.
I had high hopes for the PR knot as i heard it was 'the best'. It does show further investigation required in the variation in the result has some room for improvement.
I have a modified uni knot and braid to leader double uni I wish you could test. In my personal testing my modified double uni shows promising results but i dont think its beating a fg. It is way easier and quicker to tie on a boat so it does have its place. How can i get in contact with you to go about testing these?
You can shoot us a message here linelaboratory.com/contact/
@thelinelaboratory will you be testing line termination knots like a uni and polamar comes to mind. I loved toit fishing videos on these. His videos shown knots behaved differently with different diameters. His own knot the toit knot is a very nice knot and looks clean it does feel good.
It's a very deep rabbit hole when knot testing. I spent the better part of a week braking knots in my spare time and thinking about it.
Great and very informative video as always! Do you always use the fg with rizzuto finish in your testing?
Always FG yes but not with a rizzuto. I am not sure it makes a difference to outright strength but it's something I will test. Either way I won't be changing for my testing as it basically invalidates all my previous tests if I start to use a different knot.
@@thelinelaboratory Damn, I personally do think FG with rizzuto is the best way of FG. I would really love to see your tests using the rizzuto. Your previous line tests didn't have a FG knot strength test, so I don't think it's that big of a deal, or maybe you can label the previous tested knots with the finish you used and do the current test with rizzuto and label that as well. Or maybe even include a new test just for the rizzuto(I think it'll be worth it). At the end do whatever makes you feel comfortable I'm just giving ideas that I think are good. Have a nice day!
Uni to Uni. Test over.
You should have emailed me. I could have told you that a simple 20 wraps up and 20 wraps down PR knot is going to be weak. Not necessary because it's 20 wraps. But it's because the initial underwraps needs to be widely spaced out and not tightly barrel wraps. Tight barrel underwrap PR knot is no where near as strong as widely spaced underwraps.
There's so many way to tie a weak PR knot on UA-cam but not many way to tie a weak FG knot. But you illustrated a point. Even if you widely spaced the underwraps, a short PR knot is not stronger than the same length FG knot.
The FG knot strength is not stronger the longer it is. Going past 15 wraps up and 15 wraps down leads to diminishing return and sometime negative return.
The PR knot in 20lbs braid(40lb+ actual breaking strength) generally needs about 2 inches to achieve 80%+ strength. Longer is better but only if properly wrapped. Look up Team Yeehaa PR knot.
Your FG knot is extremely good. But it's also line dependent. Most 20 lbs braid that test around 36-40 lbs generally have less than 80% knot strength.
Bottom line is, braided line generally overtest 50-100% over the labeled strength. Even a granny knot that test 50% is still testing close to the labeled strength as you've shown. 20 lbs knot breaking strength seems to be plenty for most people and most situations, especially when using lighter leader line.
Slow pitch jig folks needs the thinnest and strongest line possible tied to a heavier leader so they do need every bit of strength that a PR knot can give them which is generally 90%+ when properly tied with a longer length. You will definitely don't want to cast that long knot thru your rod guides.
That's why an FG knot is more practical for 90% of the situation while giving you generally more knot strength than your drag can handle.
Good luck going down this rabbit hole to educate the public. You're doing a great job that is very time consuming.
I do 7 wraps each side on my fg and its plenty.
Thanks Lee - invaluable comments as always. Like you said there are so many way to tie knots, like the PR, that without years of experience to know exactly what works and what doesn't, OR spending countless hours testing every permutation back to back its hard to know what to believe. I acknowledge that I may be a little biased based on that exact fact, I do have years of FG experience and had enough failures (and tested enough as part of this channel) to know what works and what doesn't, so generally I can tie it reasonably well, and I absolutely know what techniques can destroy an otherwise solid FG.
@@thelinelaboratory you have excellent analytical skills. The more you test knots to destruction, the more you'll understand what makes knots strong. I had many great teachers on 360tuna and I was lucky enough to be given an instrument to test out their theory. Slow lockup and load sharing is key when going down the knot testing rabbit hole. It's fun to maximize a thin line's full strength but you already know that worn line lose 10-20% strength. Fortunately the FG and PR is so strong that even losing that 10-20%, it's still plenty strong during actual fishing conditions.
When I started spinning and jigging a guy told me PR knot is the best knot. I did not care. After some time I tried it and was amazed that if you try to brake it the line never breaks from the knot.and although is a bit long it is super smooth
I hope some Japanese folks release the proper way of doing PR knot and the newer version of it. I was lucky enough to be tought in a slow pitch seminar recently and got to tie it. Its a PR knot with a modified way to end it. It grips and stretches that will give you more than 100% knot due to the stretch. This was tested over over with a scale as well. 30lb jbraid on 50lb varivas floro leader breaking at 60lbs +-. And whats impressive is monoleadet will even give you better results. 125%+- knot strength. We cudnt take any video as the speaker was afiliated with Japanese company Deepliner.
Please do test for varivas avani jigging
We do have some of that in PE3 and will test it soon.
Could you make next test for YGK Bornrush if it’s will be possible,thks in advance
Any chance you tested the standard Albright? The improved version never tightens down properly for me, and I suspect that makes it weaker.
i went thru your webesite but didnt find any tutorials on knot tying.
There are plenty of tutorials online that specialize in this.
But what if you doubled the wraps for the double uni?
Sometimes the knot is good. Sometimes it's weak.
Just practice the FG.
Unsure if that would make a difference or not. Didn't seem to be the actual loop count that influenced the breaking strain, nor did any of the loops specifically cause the failure from what i can tell. The purpose of the wraps for the knot is just so the lines cant pull apart, so i think as long as they don't pull apart and they lock up against each other the number of wraps may not be vital.
@@thelinelaboratory
i use double uni for a long Time with very thin diamètre. The number of loop is crucial.
For exemple with the Suffix nanobraid 0.04 mm I have to make 15 loop with the braid and 6 loop with the leader.
With 0.08 braid it il be 9 loop braid
Great video. Best video ever for this kind of tests. Congatulation!
Good job👍 However, you probably need to practice the PR knot a bit more. The PR knot is a knot where bobbin tension is the most important thing and you don't need to tighten it after wrapping. And, the strength of the knot also changes depending on the length of the knot itself.
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Will there be slim super beauty knot and blood knot?
They didn't rank highly enough in the votes to get in, but if we do another one we can see if they can be included.
no GT knot test?
Which is the best knot to tie for a swivel with a braided line ?
I am not sure I'm sorry as I rarely if ever run a swivel off of braid.
@@thelinelaboratory ok thanks
@@sampriolkarPalomar tied well!
Your test is flawed due to using such large flourocarbon vs the braid. Every fisherman I know uses higher breaking strength braid. The smaller diameter flourocarbon should break as the leader material. The k its would not act the same reversing the breaking strengths. HOWEVER, I do agree with your ranking of the knots.
Which line broke in your tests? was the flourocarbon weakened by the braid cutting into it or vice vera? Was it the braid that broke in your test?
I deliberately used a leader strength that ensured that the knotted braid broke first as that was what I was focusing on. Some of the "finger trap" knots like the FG and PR can easily crush the braid and make that the weak point, however in this test that was not what I was aiming to test. Knot strength on a light leader is also a valid series of tests, its just not what this video was on.
I don’t know what type of fishing you’re doing, Bobby. But everyone I know that’s using a braid to mono knot uses a high breaking strain leaded that that of the braid.
Chasing big yellowtail kingfish etc in offshore reef locations, ya want a heavy mono that is gonna take a bit of a scrap across a rock etc. If I’m running 60lb braid, I’d be using 100lb mono (or there about).
As far as I know, that’s the way most folk tie up.
Also, I can see how ANY knot is going to be 100% or higher than the main line. Knows are ALWAYS the weakest link 🤷🏼♂️
@@micknoname6466 freshwater fishing. I understand the reason for high strength line in salt water. We use weaker leaders to save on losing the main line. We agree knots are always weak link, however, I rarely lose fish to the knot. At least not anymore 😉
PR knot unravelling and breaking at the knot means it was not tied properly. PR is a 100% or more knot if done right. Done right it will always break at the main line or leader not anywhere near the knot was formed.
Agree - been tying FGs for about 15 years and switched over to a short PR for anything above 15lb in the last 5 years or so. PR always tests stronger - most breaks are in the main part of the braid and not the knot
I don’t think a knot can ever be 100% strength of the line, certainly not more. Correct me if I’m wrong
@@Swamisloc on average yes most people will achieve 90% knot strength but if you get good at it like the japanese SPJ folks thats very precise for everything. And really get to know how the knot works, you can achieve 100% or more the Actual Breaking Strength with specific knots such PR and TN or AG chain knots.
Were greatful we had current SPJ seminar. were all given the chance to tie our favorite knots to test live with scale. You will be surprised how much # you loose just tying improper knots.
@@Swamisloc most if not all cinch knot will break due to friction of line to line once pressure load is applied. FG, PR and chain knots are like chinese finger trap with shock absorber to achieve such knot strength. Done right very possible as we ve seen it in our spj seminar done by the speaker from Deepliner.
I am sorry to say. But I think that maybe you are doing something wrong on the pr knot. As I am 100 percent sure that it is unbreakable. No other knot is better super sure.
You can see his PR knot unravel and breaks at the knot. Its definitely tied wrong. If its done right PR knot breaks at main or leader whichever line is weaker and it will break not anywhere near the PR knot was made.
There is nothing scientific about this testing. You need to test actual setups used by anglers. 20# to 60# is not very common. Different knots are better for different line combinations. Even though some broke just at 20#, that’s the breaking strength you should set drag too. It’s a bonus if it’s better than that. Also, fish jerk around, not pull gradually slowly forward.
As the video clearly shows the braid had 40lb+ breaking strain, which when paired to a 70lb leader isn't too far off the mark at least for the fishing I do where abrasion resistance is the main focus of the leader. Constructing a test that emulates the random forces generated by a fish is not an easy task, hence why as many variables as possible were removed to be able to compare one to the other. And yes sure you should have your drag set appropriately, but what does this prove from a knot strength perspective? If you need to lock up then what knot will give you the most pulling power? This was a series of tests to simply prove one thing, which knot is the strongest under the test conditions. Your free to do with the results as you see fit.
I always go back to my childhood favorite. Garlic knots 😊. But seriously, I've been trusting the Albright knot. I drink beer while fishing, so the fg and pr are out of the question. And I factor in my leader is mono and usually 3' long and stretchy. Like my penis.
Can you please try the wonder knot 🪢 thank you for your awesome videos