Several years ago, I would lay on my couch for days, going through opioid withdrawal, watching That Chapter. I was addicted to the meds I was prescribed at 15 for two sports related knee operations. So in the middle of my agony I looked for a distraction; this channel gave me that. This channel provided me with, at the time, a full week worth of content to soak up. Here I am, 3 years sober now, and That Chapter is still a place of comfort for me. Cheers, Mike. Thanks for keeping me distracted in the best way.
I’m currently in the same situation as you were. You’re incredible to get through! Congrats to you! It’s one of the hardest things to go through, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy xxx
Hey man, congrats! I was on opioids from the age of 19 to 26. I went from OC's to eventually Heroine. I went to jail in 2014 because of it. I went through withdraws in jail. It was hell, but I'm glad it happened. Cheers to you for getting clean! Keep it up!🤙
One of the things that makes this channel feel "home" is the lack of Mike hyping up the subscribe button "and make sure you hit that like button" like we don't know how youtube works. Thank you TC!!
So many other true crime channels use one or two pictures, AI narration and mountains of generic stock footage to make a 30 min episode. Absolutely drives me nuts. But not you man, you put the work in to each episode you do.
Right? His very red pilled and based style of telling the story and also sewing in little laces of his opinion that are also tied with his niche personality and way of putting things blunt is why I stick around on this channel.😅
As soon as this guy started talking there are several red flags: the first "what if" isn't about him going out that day, it's about what if he never met her, it's a very curious statement to make. Making it about him is classic deflection
That statement hit me weird also, and thought the same thing. One would hope for a "I wish I had stayed home, then maybe I could've defended her/us." That would be my line of thinking (if I gave a damn).
well it sounds like that he got 500k out of this and chacne to start his life again...for hiim he probably (unfortunately) didn't care and made the most of it. Doesnt mean he killed her
There's something about the way Raven acts after that phone call "I need to win the lottery". It speaks to me like a man who's always looking for the quick and easy way out. Like this one thing would solve everything, maybe like he thought a murder would solve the previous problem he was having.
When I saw the video clip of him showing off a knife. I could see how selfish he is. And really how strange his thought process is. He said this is my new knife, I got it for Christmas, I bought it for myself, my dad would be so proud, because I collect them. WTF She equates Pride with possessions? He's a real mental defective.
Yes, that phone call. It makes me wonder what was he doing the 15 seconds prior to dialing 911. Was he giving himself that pep talk and then started the fake hyperventilate? That interview of him acting was crazy. I think the timestamp was 945 he said I want some coffee and he giggled. The director immediately says okay we are off and running, no sooner did the director say running that Ravens face got sad and he put the little tremble in his voice. It's amazing how fast he can go from laughing to crying?
@@ritawashere5787my husband's from India and it's quite common for them (their culture) to equate pride with possessions. They congratulate each other on a new, top-of-the-line TV, car, house, etc...you name it. Keeping up with the Jones is a huge thing for them. It is here somewhat too. Maybe not as bad though. I think you already see him in a negative light and automatically interpret that scene negatively because of it. Not that I liked him. Personally, I'm so turned off when my husband's relatives brag. They brag to anyone because status and material possession is what brings them a sense of pride. Anyway, that's all I got.
He seemed fake on the interview, like he was having so much fun and was just on there to fool people. Maybe he didn’t do it but he sure acts like he did it. He would have motive and opportunity.
Where would we be without Mikes storytelling, his ‘ life insurance’ music & dance and finally , his ‘ I love you’ and the end ! It’s a very fine line to walk - including facts of the reality AND some wit & humour : Mike , you walk it perfectly !!! RIP Janet and condolences to her family x
A telling moment is him saying that he wonders to himself “if I hadn’t met her she may be alive”. Besides basic butterfly effect reasons, that is bizarre to say if you had nothing to do with it, and if the reason is the butterfly effect, then if anything was different it would change, why specify her meeting you? That part seems like a slip up to me
Rest in peace Janet you did not deserve to die . He will get what is coming to him one day . I just love the way you tell a story Mike . The baby deserved better than a dad like that .
That's what's bothering me, this guy didn't even lose custody of his other kid did he? I was just saying I hope people pay very close attention to whether or not he takes out a life insurance policy on that child....
Janet’s family warning her of Raven probably helped a lot in getting her out of that situation. Since she had already been told he could be violent, she would have been harder to manipulate once he started showing those signs. Mad respect to Janet’s family, honestly, they already had so much to deal with and they still took action to protect other women from him.
@@liftedgifted6010 Wow I have yet to bump into that on here and I've been here years by now. But with a larger audience comes a lot of different types!
I know the guy is guilty but we need to stop looking down on suspects using their constitutional right to have an attorney…there is plenty of videos where the police zero in on the wrong suspect early and prosecute them with terrible evidence and somehow get a conviction. Do not talk to the cops without an attorney, ever…
100% agree. Never speak to police without a lawyer, and NEVER take a polygraph. They're total junk science, inadmissible in court, and if you are innocent and pass they don't care, but if you fail then they assume you're guilty
I've been reading the comments Mike and I think the overwhelming consensus is... You have a talent for making people laugh even when the situation is very ominous. Very few people could pull that off. I love your channel!
I hope women who live around him see this. I feel bad for Kaiden who didn't get to know his mom and who only knows that his dad took her from him. That's horrible. I hope the kid is okay and that his father doesn't bad-mouth his mom's memory but that's probably too much to hope for...huh?
Yeah honestly warping a kids memory of a chill parent is almost just as bad I will say though, I haven't finished yet but regardless if he is guilty or not, getting a lawyer and not talking to the cops is 1000% sensible and not damning in the slightest You see so many cases where if the person is guilty or especially if they're innocent..talking to the cops is NEVER going to help, it can literally only ever screw you.. and as the spouse you're already under suspicion, and if you didn't do it that's even more reason not to give them any ammo to bone you with. There is not a single scenario in a criminal case you're involved in where talking is a good idea and every lawyer on the planet will tell you that Obviously if you're a witness that's a different story, but yeah
@@KaladinVegapunk Maybe watch the entire video before saying stuff like that? Frankly, I quite enjoy knowing that a lot of murderers are so arrogant they think they can talk their way out of being a prime suspect. The more they dig their own holes, the better.
As a general side note, I find it crazy that you can be in jail for four years waiting for a trial. You could be totally innocent and have to be behind bars for that long just waiting. Yeesh.
@swingshift I see your point. But to play devil's advocate I also don't want a psycho killer out on the loose for the three or four years it takes to convict him...
@@patrickpelletier3104 the correct answer is that arnett government needs to get their s*** together and do things in a timely fashion. Whether it's law and order, spending or regulating.... They are terrible and would never make it in the private sector
I knew Janet's family when I was growing up in the Annandale, VA area. I knew a couple of her sisters, as she was about 10 years younger than I was. Such a sad story. And her family really was so close. It's so weird seeing someone you knew in one of Mike's videos. RIP
@@electricaf365 what's BS? That I knew her family? Her family attended the Annandale VA ward of the LDS church, and that's where I met them. Her mom was really sweet and was very involved in church activities including the youth programs, so everyone knew Mrs. Christiansen. One of her sisters was named Jeanette (I believe that's the sister they show at the end in the courtroom, but a couple sisters looked so much alike so I can't be sure), and that's the one I knew best out of all of them - all of the kids' names in their family started with a J. When you attend an LDS church it's more than just going to church on Sundays. There are always activities, especially for their youth programs. There are dances a couple times per month and root beer float socials, etc. You're at the church 2 or 3 times a week, so the kids get to know each other really well. But I moved when I was 15 and only saw them a couple of times after that so lost touch with them. But my best friend from my childhood attended that church her whole life. So when I first heard about this case (it was on dateline or a similar program several years ago), I asked her if she was from the Christiansen family we knew and she verified that she was. Do you not think all of the people in the cases Mike covers had lives, and actual friends? Do you think they didn't grow up going to school and going to church just like everyone else did? Of course they did. So it would make sense that occasionally people who knew them are going to run across one of his videos. But sure, it's all BS. I just made it up for no reason at all. Lol
@@nturavrgchick6055 no need to explain yourself to fools. Trolls are everywhere, try not to feed into their game by explaining validation to your story. Genuine people never doubt you to begin with and that was enough. Thanks for sharing however and wish you all the best. Take care x
The more I see the life insurance musical interlude, the more I want a full MV haha Thanks for the brief light-hearted break in such a sad and unfair case. I hope Kaiden flourishes and women of Utah stay safe from this creep.
Actually, one of the (many) traits of a sociopathic killer is to insert oneself into the investigation. Normally it's done by the killer to taunt the authorities and/or to gain information as to the status of the investigation. I have no doubt Raven is a sociopath. Sociopaths are born not made.
Mike’s insurance dance is a vibe. Love ya Mike, great coverage of a heartbreaking crime. Raven - how do families produce these guys? I would love to know what his growing up was like? I wonder if he was a born psycho?
HOLD THE PHONE! Did the 2nd wife there Vanessa it was, did she actually SAY while on the stand “he raised his hand to my face & stopped before hitting me than laughed bc I flinched. I had to compose myself, & was late to my own shower”. ??? REALLY?! So he did this PRIOR the “I do’s” & she still DID?!? That’s just sheer stupidity right there.
Yes, it is. Lots of pressure for brides who’ve spent months preparing & planning, especially back then. At least half the people I see marrying every year, should not be getting married.
I come for the "hey you!" It's my favorite. Makes me feel like I just walked in the door of a family member's house. It's how I greet my favorite people. 🥰
It's sad when you have to point out and commend people on how things should be normal common practice..shows how pathetic people are when they beg for subs.
Should life insurance not be illegal at this point? It literally incentivises 50% of the murders reported on here, seems like the costs outweigh the benefits 🤔
@@zazaaziella16 I don't worry about it so much. I have several thousand dollars worth in collectables, same in fishing gear, a $35k vehicle but would be glad to have life insurance just in case something unexpected happened to me. Everyone knows that everything I have goes to my wife of 25 years. It's up to her as to what to do with it then. It wouldn't be any different if I had life insurance because I know she'd use it to make sure she & our children were well taken care of.
@@Hankblue No, I don't think so. Anyone who has a pragmatic side would think about life insurance as being a good way of making sure that their family would be well taken care of, in case of an unexpected event happening, at some point or another. Furthermore of those that have life insurance I'm sure a very small percentage of them actually fall victim to foul play. As I expressed to Zaza a moment ago I too would like to have life insurance just in case something happened to me. Then again I'm the type of person that would likely abuse the life insurance. For example, say I found out one of my children were suffering from leukemia, I'd be perfectly willing to "fall asleep in the bathtub" just to make sure they could afford the treatments.
My dad went into emergency surgery this morning and all day we didn’t know if he would make it out. We just found out he is out of surgery and stable in ICU and I can finally take a small break from crying and worrying. I decided to open UA-cam to see if there was anything worth watching to decompress a bit and who do I see ? Mike ! My favorite youtuber ! Thanks Mike you seek to always know when I need a video.
I'm so sorry you're going through this...you're literally living my worst nightmare. you're a good kid to be there for him like you are and he's lucky to be so loved. it's ok to cry, friend
Mike I feel like you spent more time and effort into this story than he did in prison!! Very anticlimactic for the family; thank you for all you do!!❤🙏
To be able to tell a horrific story, with humour and laughs and not do it so it's disrespectful, it's probably one of the hardest things to do. But Mike, you are the rare exception, and I enjoy every minute of it, from the "let's give it a goo" to "i love ya, Mike out". ❤️
True crime is inherently exploitative and is disrespectful by its very nature. Respectful means to consider the feelings, wishes, and rights of others in a thoughtful manner. Mike cracking dark jokes about the crime in question isn't considerate to the victim, who were real people who lives were brutally cut short, and their friends and family (also real people). I'm pretty sure I know why some people try to rationalize to themselves why Mike and other true crime media are being respectful. It's due to the cognitive dissonance felt from deriving entertainment off of other peoples grief, pain, and suffering. Unless you're a sociopathic sadist, you know that that is morally wrong. Thus, discomfort is felt from the contradicting beliefs and/or thoughts. Others that try to be less disrespectful about it attempt to get consent from the victim's family, typically won't mention the perpetrator's real name to keep the focus on the victim, and tend to donate some of the money they're making to organizations that assist victims and their family. Mike does none of those and he makes roughly $20,000 to $30,000 a month off the real people lives that were brutally cut short, and their friends and family's grief while cracking jokes about it. The victim and family's boundaries are violated and they're essentially victimized all over again for our entertainment.
My hubby just rolls his eyes at me now because practically every time he says something to me I say" I hear ya barkin' big dog!". I crack myself up with Mike's jokes, lol.
Mike is my favourite true crime host, I find others boring. I hope he doesn't change the way he begins and ends programs. I love the way he does it now. From my Irish heritage to yours, 🍻 cheers!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
It gave me pause when Raven's 2nd wife was describing his cruel behavior, stating that he took a swing at her, then laughed at her for flinching...and then she "had to go to her bridal shower." What?!?? This happened *before* she married him, and she still married him? Ladies! Don't dismiss the neon signs!
@@cherijoseph7819 you could be right - but even an intensively religious family should have 2nd thoughts about pressuring a woman to marry a man who's first wife was murdered, and then acts like this piece of garbage did. At least I would hope! She ended up getting the marriage annulled after only 6 months, anyway!
@@cherijoseph7819 Stop making excuses. No one pressured her into marrying a guy who's wife was murdered. Please. She needs to confront her own poor decision making. Period
Your videos help me pass through the days. So lovely. Never stop Mike. We appreciate you so much in so many ways you have and haven't imagined I'm sure. Keep up the great work!! It's certainly appreciated.🎉❤
You must be one of the most hardworking and consistently reliable you tubers around. It’s very reassuring to know you’ll be here for us come rain or shine. Thanks Mike 🤗 fantastic work x (btw we love you too ❤️)
@@criessmiles3620 I'd say you have the streets all figured out but you got it the wrong way round. like "safety strong". Take a serious TD fan to get that little series of puns
@@IONAPINKMOXIE IKR? I think they are just jealous they have no love in their own existence, or some such. Why anyone would want to kick sand like that is kinda beyond me. You crack on, OP, Mike loves ya x
If your fiancé's former family calls you to warn you that he is a murdering psychopath. I dunno, seems like a tip to take as serious as a heart attack. Might just be me tho!
My mother told me always meet the parents . If I was getting serious with someone and couldn’t afford to meet the parents ( plane trip etx ) she’s pay for it. Wise woman . My tip ? Psychopaths can’t keep up the act for over 11/2-2 years - don’t commit until after the 2 year mark .
I've never heard anyone call it baby a Band-Aid baby but that is the best description people having kids to fix things .if it didn't work before kids it's not going to work after kids.
🤣🤣🤣😭 "LLLLLIFE INSURANCE BABY!!!" I saw that one coming. Thank you Mike! Please don't stop the Life Insurance Dance. Even if it's short it's hilarious every time!
As always, much enjoy your channel and the way you tell the stories. I found it interesting when Raven was filming that part about how he didn't like to talk about what happened and all the "what ifs?" he had, he never said "what if I hadn't gone out that night she was murdered?". And no mention of his unborn child. Scary
Amazing how the connecting thread between nearly every one of these killers is the overwhelming narcissism. Turn every single thing about the case into something about yourself. Lean into "everyone is out to get me" victimhood as much as possible. That's the most common tell in all these cases. The instant you see a suspect make it all about themself instead of the victim, you know with 99% certainty that they did it.
In that interview, he says "..Janet, my wife". Isn't it a given that she was his wife? To me he is transferring what has happened to Janet to something that happened to him instead.
Also he starts out with his alibi when he gets on the phone to 911. He’s focused on where he’s been and not freaking out about the condition his wife was in as much. He certainly is narcissistic. The way he talks about needing money and power while rubbing his chin like a “manly man “ was pretentious and self absorbed. Narcissists, especially entitled men are all about money and power and they think the good traits of empathy and kindness are a weakness. The second wife said he came on stronger with his abuse when she showed fear and then laughed in her face. Those are traits of a malignant narcissist. They are sadistic predators. I wish this thing with the weird ears (did you notice?) was locked away for life because he’s not fit to be out in the world with human beings. He will continue to act the way he has been acting and only get more abusive over time.
@@cindyknudson2715 It does make it about him but it's also possessive. Her identity was wrapped up in his ownership of her. It's reassuring himself because she was his to do with as he wants. It was one of the bigger tells, if someone else did something to HIS property he would feel rage, but when he reassures himself he broke his own toy he feels self-pity and frustration at others questioning his right to break it. It's a subtle red flag I've noticed in narcissists; it's not to clarify relationship, it's to assert ownership.
@@cindyknudson2715 Exactly ! That's what the blog/interviews were all about, making what happened to her all about him. Hugely narcissistic/self centered.
@@ThatChapter "kooky" is an odd choice.. If you're thinking about doing the "Wacky adventures of John Wayne Gacy" or something, I'd reconsider.. Still love ya, Mike!
HEY!! Thats the same judge for the Michael Peterson case from the documentary on Netflix Staircase! Very good too I will add. Love the insurance dance ALWAYS!!! xD
Omg Mike, I haven't heard the word "poontang" in years. Thanks for making me spray my coffee out through my nose! I appreciated the laugh though, as I'm stuck home with COVID & feeling like 💩. Your videos are awesome.
With a "college degree" and all, you'd think Raven could have come up with a better embezzlement scheme than to have the merchandise delivered to his own home. What the hell are they teaching in college nowadays?
@@ladycheyne5607 You mean like Harvard or Yale or Princeton or William and Mary or Emory or Mercer or Southern Methodist or Pepperdine or almost every other private University in America? Hell, Trump "University" is one of the only non-religious Universities in American history. Of course it isn't a real school, but then neither is Trump a real Christian (just don't tell that to the millions of evangelicals who worship and adore him. Wait, you know what? Screw that! Tell them; evangelicals aren't real Christians either!).
Got to appreciate Mike’s dedication to the Raven bit. Also, did everyone else notice how coked out of his mind bird man was in the personal home video footage? U can even hear him chopping out lines. Can’t imagine how angry he would be while on speed.
I feel sorry for the child. Lost his mom and makes you wonder how he was treated by his dad. At least he was in prison for a few years and away from him.
There's a huge "what if" that was never mentioned in this case: "What if" he killed his wife BEFORE leaving with his friends? Whoever did the initial autopsy did a real shitty job. If the contacts were missed, what else was? During an autopsy, a complete description of the body, head to toe, inside and out should be recorded. My guess is, the person who conducted the initial autopsy was a coroner and not a pathologist. A coroner is an elected position whereas a pathologist is a W2 position and has vastly more postmortem training. Also, I wouldn't put a lot of weight concerning footwear because unknown footwear could simply habe been used for diversionary purposes. The fingerprint on the window could have been left from the day it was installed. There's no way to determine the age of a respective latent impression. I'd further guess the crime scene wasn't processed well as most cases are won or lost at the crime scene. Not having first hand knowledge of the scene or the investigation, the aforementioned is based solely upon my 23 years experience as a criminal investigator. For what it's worth, opinions are like assholes.
@@eleanorreid729 I had to throw that in otherwise I fear I'd be thought of as an asshole. One of my petpeeves is shitty crime scene work. On one occasion, I spent two days processing a scene and I've known other agents to spend several days in a scene. Do it right the first time because there are no second chances.
He stole shoes. Wear a bigger pair would not be hard. Rubber gloves used has prints turned inside out? And where they found the print was a bit odd from pictures. Movie mystery plot I've seen once had that. Maybe? Just a guess.
Consider Breivik who killed 77 people, including 55 teenagers. Got the longest sentence available in Norway- 17 years, and just had a parole hearing this week
Dude I gotta say, I love the way you do these videos. Your unconventional delivery that's both respectful but also uncharacteristically lighthearted and comical is really entertaining to watch. You're unbiased and don't concern yourself with being overly PC; you tell it how it is and state your opinion outright. Never change your style man, it's awesome.
I'm subscribed to three other true crime channels and frankly That Chapter is the only one I'll sit through a whole video from. Thanks for putting energy into your narration, Mike.
I love all Mike's videos he gets right to the point. Tells the story's in less than tur-dy mins and his chezzy jokes I grown to love good job Mike and thanks.
3:25 that escalated quickly. On the other hand, one thing I look forward to are your subtly placed jokes in these videos. Absolutely love your content Mike! :)
Wow the way he went from giggling when he thought the camera was off to half tearful instantly when he thought it just came on. What a creep. So much 🤮babble.
17:47 That ‘123’ is mind blowing. To know I’m looking at a piece of contact lens that has been on a decease’s eyes for 3 years…and the tell tale ‘123’ is still perfectly in tact is incredible. But none-the-less very disturbing
OH MY GOSH! My sister dated this guy here in Salt Lake City while the investigation was going on. The FBI took her out to lunch for like 2 hrs talking to her about how they knew he had murdered his wife. She broke up with him after she found all this out and he still tries to contact her. So much details no one knows about. Couldn’t believe when I saw his name in the title. I only met him once and he came across as a totally normal charming young man.
@@terridonato6231 always seems that way doesn’t it? He seemed to go out of his way to be extra nice and engaging. Hate to say it but I walked away thinking “what a nice guy”
Been subscribed to the big dog for a good while now. But thought I'd give it a goo and have a Saturday binge watching all his vids that I have missed or want to relive. Keep it up Mike mate
when i was a youngun, i drunkenly pushed my drunken girlfriend onto the floor, a bit too hard, and in front of half a dozen witnesses. her brothers learned of this, and paid me a visit the following day. one beat the shit out of me, and the second (scarier) brother informed me that next time it was going to be his turn. there never was a 'next time'. moral of the story is: brothers, take care of your sisters.
I feel an immediate sense of calm when the start to the familiar music begins. It represents Mike’s style perfectly: subtle, warm, and enjoyable. Please don’t ever change the way your videos are constructed - it’s a formula which works. There are thousands of true crime vloggers…but only one Mike O!
@@Eisenherz "Oh" right! Also this is the first time I've seen ANY comments about the opening music. I just love it. When he doesn't play it, I get a little disappointed, lol!
So true! I've been watching for a few years and there's a sense of such familiarity and warmth when the music and "Hey You!" starts. I save these videos for when I have a moment to myself and can fully enjoy them. It's like hanging out with a good friend, and you can tell he genuinely loves and appreciates his audience.
I need to remember to “like” every single video I watch and rewatch.. THANK YOU Mike for being there for me when I need you the most! You are the best! I absolutely enjoy every bit of your content. With Love From Texas!
Any time I’m in a depressive mode like I have been recently I just binge watch lots of Mike‘s content Because it’s become a very comfort channel for me to watch over the years that I have
We all know there will be a murder, no surprises there…what makes Mike THE BEST at this is that he uses his charm, wit, humour, and compassion to tell us a story (we usually know the ending to) and that’s what makes him extraordinary! Mike, go on now…we love ya.
The way this creep loves himself, he'll talk. Need to find out if he has any safety deposit boxes. Sure enough they'll be a tape in there...he has to admire himself.
Mike is definitely out there with his outrageous sideline commentary, however , that's what makes this show so damn addictive, that off the wall wit, keep up the great work Mike!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗
I remember this case. I always wondered if he’d paid someone to kill his wife while he knew he would have an alibi. I thought maybe he could have left the house key under a mat or something and just told the perp where to find it. Because of the unknown footprint, fingerprint and the sniffer dog leading to the creek I really believe someone else was involved but I do not believe that Raven wasn’t involved at all. He had something to do with it. However, if I was on that jury I wouldn’t have been able to find him guilty because I believe too much reasonable doubt was brought up in the case. I do feel badly for Janet’s family because they received no answers and they didn’t really receive any justice either. I’m also pretty sure that they were not allowed a relationship with Kaiden - the only piece of Janet that’s left - and I’m sure that is extremely heartbreaking.
I agree 100%! I think he had something to do with it but if I was on the jury, I don't think I would have been able to convict him with a clear conscience.
Completely agree, that's exactly what I suspect happened and I agree that the evidence just wasn't there to have convicted him of her murder "beyond a reasonable doubt".
He wld have roped in someone else to help. Probably someone who had a terminal illness or something tho, so he didn't have to pay them, & so they'd die and so wld the murder secret.That's a lot of life insurance money to bribe someone with, too.
You nailed it. He hired someone to kill his wife for the life insurance money. And it, of course, still wasn't enough. "If I could just win $3m lottery....." You see the line of thinking that led him to murder his wife.
I listen to That Chapter videos every day on my commute. One time I heard him say Do you guys get tired of… I then tuned him out because no matter what he finishes the sentence with, I.E; the music, the let’s give it a go, the well placed dark silences, the way he talks, his great wit I am tired of none of it. I love it all. He makes me laugh and calms me every day. I make sure I like every video I watch. Thank you for being an amazing creator. I will never tire of your detailed stories 😊
I have never seen a guy who loved the smell of his own farts that much. Even when he's on TV to talk about the murder, he can only talk about himself. He probably only fell for Janet because the biggest thing they had in common was their love of him.
Hi Mike. I am a newish subscriber and enjoying your videos very much. Excellent balance between the difficult content and your funny presentation. Thanks for highlighting the victims tastefully and the letting the villains have it. Verbally. Best for 2022 to you!
Even when I've heard the story already or know the ending, or heard Mr ballen tell it . I still will watch because I love the way Mike tells it and I love the videos .I love the pictures of them and you get to know them a little bit better and see them. So in close im binge watching all his videos eight now and still learning new things about murders I all ready knew about.
Mike. I would love it if you did a story on a girl that was murdered in Portland Oregon. Her name was Apache Rose and the guy that killed her was name Jessie..... I am having a hard time remembering his last name. Her murder was sad she was loved by many, and I believe her story would be a good one for your channel.
Several years ago, I would lay on my couch for days, going through opioid withdrawal, watching That Chapter. I was addicted to the meds I was prescribed at 15 for two sports related knee operations. So in the middle of my agony I looked for a distraction; this channel gave me that. This channel provided me with, at the time, a full week worth of content to soak up. Here I am, 3 years sober now, and That Chapter is still a place of comfort for me.
Cheers, Mike. Thanks for keeping me distracted in the best way.
I’m currently in the same situation as you were. You’re incredible to get through! Congrats to you! It’s one of the hardest things to go through, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy xxx
Hey man, congrats! I was on opioids from the age of 19 to 26. I went from OC's to eventually Heroine. I went to jail in 2014 because of it. I went through withdraws in jail. It was hell, but I'm glad it happened. Cheers to you for getting clean! Keep it up!🤙
@@bethoc7221 You can do it.🤙
Only quitters quit 💪
Chris, I’m rooting for you!! 💕
One of the things that makes this channel feel "home" is the lack of Mike hyping up the subscribe button "and make sure you hit that like button" like we don't know how youtube works. Thank you TC!!
Ha. Mike is delft...he's got it covered. My favorite is Mr Ballen...he just rags on the like button. Love both of these guys.
Totally!!! Feels like no BS
@@expressivepets1 I’ve heard others do that since and it just feels like a direct copy haha. Can’t steal from the best
when they do that I don't hit the like button
@Cozmik funk rabbitt Haha..I tell people I'm grown until it comes to you telling me what to do, then I act like a child and forget how to listen.
So many other true crime channels use one or two pictures, AI narration and mountains of generic stock footage to make a 30 min episode. Absolutely drives me nuts. But not you man, you put the work in to each episode you do.
"Because she had LIFE INSURANCE BABY". That's why this channel is better than anything on Netflix or cable television.
Hell yeah, you said it! I always look forward for his next show
I wonder, does he have to pay back the life insurance?
Couldn’t agree more!
Who could watch regular TV anymore?
**Does the Life-insurance Dance!**
Right? His very red pilled and based style of telling the story and also sewing in little laces of his opinion that are also tied with his niche personality and way of putting things blunt is why I stick around on this channel.😅
There's a couple with financial issues and the spouse dies? A tale as old as time
And don’t forget the baby on the way
... true as it can be
Barely even friends
Then somebody bends
Unexpectedly…
“Just a little change
Small, to say the least
Both a little scared
Neither one prepared
Beauty and the Beast 🎶 “
Usually only in highly religious families..regular people just cheat and run off with the new partner
As soon as this guy started talking there are several red flags: the first "what if" isn't about him going out that day, it's about what if he never met her, it's a very curious statement to make. Making it about him is classic deflection
That statement hit me weird also, and thought the same thing. One would hope for a "I wish I had stayed home, then maybe I could've defended her/us."
That would be my line of thinking (if I gave a damn).
well it sounds like that he got 500k out of this and chacne to start his life again...for hiim he probably (unfortunately) didn't care and made the most of it. Doesnt mean he killed her
No mention about the baby he lost as well ,guilty in my eyes $$hungry
My eyes bugged at that part 👀 I could not believe he said that on tv. 😂
Yes!! I thought the same thing!
"I'm taking an Alford Plea."
Judge: "Oh, That's So Raven!"
Couldn't resist.
👍🏼👍🏼😂
This needs more likes, this comment is pure gold 😮💨
Perfect. Simply perfect 😂
😂
Damn it 😂😂😭
There's something about the way Raven acts after that phone call "I need to win the lottery". It speaks to me like a man who's always looking for the quick and easy way out.
Like this one thing would solve everything, maybe like he thought a murder would solve the previous problem he was having.
When I saw the video clip of him showing off a knife. I could see how selfish he is. And really how strange his thought process is.
He said this is my new knife, I got it for Christmas, I bought it for myself, my dad would be so proud, because I collect them. WTF
She equates Pride with possessions? He's a real mental defective.
Yes, that phone call. It makes me wonder what was he doing the 15 seconds prior to dialing 911. Was he giving himself that pep talk and then started the fake hyperventilate?
That interview of him acting was crazy. I think the timestamp was 945 he said I want some coffee and he giggled. The director immediately says okay we are off and running, no sooner did the director say running that Ravens face got sad and he put the little tremble in his voice.
It's amazing how fast he can go from laughing to crying?
My thoughts exactly
@@ritawashere5787my husband's from India and it's quite common for them (their culture) to equate pride with possessions. They congratulate each other on a new, top-of-the-line TV, car, house, etc...you name it. Keeping up with the Jones is a huge thing for them. It is here somewhat too. Maybe not as bad though. I think you already see him in a negative light and automatically interpret that scene negatively because of it. Not that I liked him. Personally, I'm so turned off when my husband's relatives brag. They brag to anyone because status and material possession is what brings them a sense of pride. Anyway, that's all I got.
@@JamieAug Unfortunately wives and children are often counted the same way---- as possessions!!!
One point raven stated right in his interview, if he'd never met her she would still be alive. Kind like a confession
He seemed fake on the interview, like he was having so much fun and was just on there to fool people.
Maybe he didn’t do it but he sure acts like he did it. He would have motive and opportunity.
Good catch!
So smart. Best comment.
well considering he said that someone was likely after him he is implying that her being with him made her a target and got her killed.
That's actually a very very good catch. Man's guilty AF.
Only Mike could insert a singing, dancing “ life insurance “ bit in the MIDDLE of a serious moment and make it work! 😂
It's crazy that like 90% of the cases he covers involve life insurance
my favorite part of his videos is the life insurance dance
Agree.
Love when he does that! 🤣😂🤣😂
🕺🏻💃🤺 ☝ 🇬🇧
Where would we be without Mikes storytelling, his ‘ life insurance’ music & dance and finally , his ‘ I love you’ and the end ! It’s a very fine line to walk - including facts of the reality AND some wit & humour : Mike , you walk it perfectly !!!
RIP Janet and condolences to her family x
We would just be watching something else probably
CRAZY.
Are you in love with him?
@@rosas4851 ^ someone who clearly doesn't understand the range of human emotions, especially the romantic love - platonic love.
you okay bruv?
Is it just me that thought he was saying "all of you", not I love you? 🤔
A telling moment is him saying that he wonders to himself “if I hadn’t met her she may be alive”. Besides basic butterfly effect reasons, that is bizarre to say if you had nothing to do with it, and if the reason is the butterfly effect, then if anything was different it would change, why specify her meeting you? That part seems like a slip up to me
Sounded to me like he wished he’d never met her or married her, it was weird to say
Rest in peace Janet you did not deserve to die . He will get what is coming to him one day . I just love the way you tell a story Mike . The baby deserved better than a dad like that .
Yes, I hope somebody gives him what he needs, and her parents need , DUE JUSTICE
That's what's bothering me, this guy didn't even lose custody of his other kid did he? I was just saying I hope people pay very close attention to whether or not he takes out a life insurance policy on that child....
I dream of Mike every night while I sleep
Too tell you the truth when he winks at the end it drives me crazy LOL @@dairyfreemilkyway239
He acts like a spoiled teen. She was way to good for him. Too mature, for lil squeaky voiced Satan
I was 90% sure his second wife who ignored all the red flags was about to be a second victim.
She probably thinks about that a lot.
Same😩
diont worry this guy will be in trouble with the law again....if he hasnt already
Janet’s family warning her of Raven probably helped a lot in getting her out of that situation. Since she had already been told he could be violent, she would have been harder to manipulate once he started showing those signs.
Mad respect to Janet’s family, honestly, they already had so much to deal with and they still took action to protect other women from him.
Scary that he's already out, like what if he tries to contact her again?? I'd be worried if I were her
Spoiler xD now I know, thx, I will still watch this video :D
I love everything about Mike's show. The theme music is awesome, catchy, but not annoying. Mike is such a great Storyteller!
... and he loves us.
I gave him a compliment on his last video and boy, oh boy! You would've thought I k*lled someone!! 😂
@@Professionalasshole
Huh?
That little guitar ditty is great. I like to play along when I start the video up.
@@liftedgifted6010 Wow I have yet to bump into that on here and I've been here years by now. But with a larger audience comes a lot of different types!
I know the guy is guilty but we need to stop looking down on suspects using their constitutional right to have an attorney…there is plenty of videos where the police zero in on the wrong suspect early and prosecute them with terrible evidence and somehow get a conviction. Do not talk to the cops without an attorney, ever…
“If you’re guilty, you really need an attorney. If you’re innocent, you really REALLY need an attorney.”
Forget where I heard that.
100% agree. Never speak to police without a lawyer, and NEVER take a polygraph. They're total junk science, inadmissible in court, and if you are innocent and pass they don't care, but if you fail then they assume you're guilty
@@amandagrace3588 saul Goodman.
Better look guilty than to be found guilty by a jury
Amen to THAT!!
I've been reading the comments Mike and I think the overwhelming consensus is... You have a talent for making people laugh even when the situation is very ominous. Very few people could pull that off. I love your channel!
I want to meet him! He seems like a cool guy you could sit around talk shit and drink beer.
Very smart in the way he does it, such a talent to be able to make a rather morbid situation funny (and never in a degrading way) keep it up mucker!
Ditto
It's mostly women 😉
And a great accent to boot
Raven "before recording" on Camera: "Where's my coffee, hur dur dur!!!"
Raven "after recording" on Camera: :'''(
That's called editing. Tell me you've never talked about something emotional and been fine up until you had to discuss the emotional aspects.
I hope women who live around him see this. I feel bad for Kaiden who didn't get to know his mom and who only knows that his dad took her from him. That's horrible. I hope the kid is okay and that his father doesn't bad-mouth his mom's memory but that's probably too much to hope for...huh?
Yeah honestly warping a kids memory of a chill parent is almost just as bad
I will say though, I haven't finished yet but regardless if he is guilty or not, getting a lawyer and not talking to the cops is 1000% sensible and not damning in the slightest
You see so many cases where if the person is guilty or especially if they're innocent..talking to the cops is NEVER going to help, it can literally only ever screw you.. and as the spouse you're already under suspicion, and if you didn't do it that's even more reason not to give them any ammo to bone you with.
There is not a single scenario in a criminal case you're involved in where talking is a good idea and every lawyer on the planet will tell you that
Obviously if you're a witness that's a different story, but yeah
@@KaladinVegapunk Maybe watch the entire video before saying stuff like that? Frankly, I quite enjoy knowing that a lot of murderers are so arrogant they think they can talk their way out of being a prime suspect. The more they dig their own holes, the better.
@@KaladinVegapunk Well said never talk to the cops. Get legal advice.
I hope he doesn't end up like his father. Sadly, many do.
Probably not since hundreds if not thousands of people are bad-mouthing his image.
As a general side note, I find it crazy that you can be in jail for four years waiting for a trial. You could be totally innocent and have to be behind bars for that long just waiting. Yeesh.
@Nikki: With 500K he almost certainly could have bought the court. They're absolutely for sale.
See Nancy Schaefer's videos for more information.
Yep, courts get backed up. He had to wait on a list until his time came.
@swingshift I see your point.
But to play devil's advocate I also don't want a psycho killer out on the loose for the three or four years it takes to convict him...
@@patrickpelletier3104 the correct answer is that arnett government needs to get their s*** together and do things in a timely fashion. Whether it's law and order, spending or regulating.... They are terrible and would never make it in the private sector
I knew Janet's family when I was growing up in the Annandale, VA area. I knew a couple of her sisters, as she was about 10 years younger than I was. Such a sad story. And her family really was so close. It's so weird seeing someone you knew in one of Mike's videos. RIP
justice will be served inshallah rip to janet
BS
@@electricaf365 what's BS? That I knew her family? Her family attended the Annandale VA ward of the LDS church, and that's where I met them. Her mom was really sweet and was very involved in church activities including the youth programs, so everyone knew Mrs. Christiansen. One of her sisters was named Jeanette (I believe that's the sister they show at the end in the courtroom, but a couple sisters looked so much alike so I can't be sure), and that's the one I knew best out of all of them - all of the kids' names in their family started with a J.
When you attend an LDS church it's more than just going to church on Sundays. There are always activities, especially for their youth programs. There are dances a couple times per month and root beer float socials, etc. You're at the church 2 or 3 times a week, so the kids get to know each other really well. But I moved when I was 15 and only saw them a couple of times after that so lost touch with them. But my best friend from my childhood attended that church her whole life. So when I first heard about this case (it was on dateline or a similar program several years ago), I asked her if she was from the Christiansen family we knew and she verified that she was.
Do you not think all of the people in the cases Mike covers had lives, and actual friends? Do you think they didn't grow up going to school and going to church just like everyone else did? Of course they did. So it would make sense that occasionally people who knew them are going to run across one of his videos. But sure, it's all BS. I just made it up for no reason at all. Lol
@@nturavrgchick6055 no need to explain yourself to fools. Trolls are everywhere, try not to feed into their game by explaining validation to your story. Genuine people never doubt you to begin with and that was enough. Thanks for sharing however and wish you all the best. Take care x
@@nturavrgchick6055 Pay no attention to the little trolls.
The more I see the life insurance musical interlude, the more I want a full MV haha Thanks for the brief light-hearted break in such a sad and unfair case. I hope Kaiden flourishes and women of Utah stay safe from this creep.
Kid shhhhh
Raven during TV interview: "The worst scenarios are the scenarios that involve me"
Detectives: "So, you were involved?"
Raven: "um....no?"
You did understand that he wasn't admitting anything, right?
The statements had me wondering.
Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.
Quoth the Raven.
Actually, one of the (many) traits of a sociopathic killer is to insert oneself into the investigation. Normally it's done by the killer to taunt the authorities and/or to gain information as to the status of the investigation. I have no doubt Raven is a sociopath. Sociopaths are born not made.
Imagine saying you didn't receive a fair trial despite the jury not convicting you on the first go around
Mike’s insurance dance is a vibe. Love ya Mike, great coverage of a heartbreaking crime. Raven - how do families produce these guys? I would love to know what his growing up was like? I wonder if he was a born psycho?
Love the fact Mike isn’t self absorbed by his ego like a lot of UA-camrs !!! Love the simplicity about EVERYTHING on this channel !!!
Hes a great guy.
HOLD THE PHONE! Did the 2nd wife there Vanessa it was, did she actually SAY while on the stand “he raised his hand to my face & stopped before hitting me than laughed bc I flinched. I had to compose myself, & was late to my own shower”. ??? REALLY?! So he did this PRIOR the “I do’s” & she still DID?!? That’s just sheer stupidity right there.
My exact reaction too
Yes, it is.
Lots of pressure for brides who’ve spent months preparing & planning, especially back then. At least half the people I see marrying every year, should not be getting married.
My thoughts exactly
@@sunshine3914 back then?? Honey.. it wasn’t that long ago lol🤣
It seems some people are desperate to be married
I’m desperate to stay single lolololo
I come for the "hey you!" It's my favorite. Makes me feel like I just walked in the door of a family member's house. It's how I greet my favorite people. 🥰
Yep & I love his accent 😍
Keep your fetish private 😂
No "like, subscribe, share" Mike is total class. he gets subscribers, just by providing great content.
One of the many reasons I love this channel.
It's sad when you have to point out and commend people on how things should be normal common practice..shows how pathetic people are when they beg for subs.
Life insurance intro to the dance was hilarious. You can't hide your enjoyment, Mike!
I never want to get life insurance. Instead , have a savings account with a "private" Will.
Should life insurance not be illegal at this point? It literally incentivises 50% of the murders reported on here, seems like the costs outweigh the benefits 🤔
I know, I've seen him pull off his life insurance celebration dance a couple of times & it's just as hilarious as the first time! XD
@@zazaaziella16 I don't worry about it so much. I have several thousand dollars worth in collectables, same in fishing gear, a $35k vehicle but would be glad to have life insurance just in case something unexpected happened to me. Everyone knows that everything I have goes to my wife of 25 years. It's up to her as to what to do with it then. It wouldn't be any different if I had life insurance because I know she'd use it to make sure she & our children were well taken care of.
@@Hankblue No, I don't think so. Anyone who has a pragmatic side would think about life insurance as being a good way of making sure that their family would be well taken care of, in case of an unexpected event happening, at some point or another. Furthermore of those that have life insurance I'm sure a very small percentage of them actually fall victim to foul play. As I expressed to Zaza a moment ago I too would like to have life insurance just in case something happened to me.
Then again I'm the type of person that would likely abuse the life insurance. For example, say I found out one of my children were suffering from leukemia, I'd be perfectly willing to "fall asleep in the bathtub" just to make sure they could afford the treatments.
My dad went into emergency surgery this morning and all day we didn’t know if he would make it out. We just found out he is out of surgery and stable in ICU and I can finally take a small break from crying and worrying.
I decided to open UA-cam to see if there was anything worth watching to decompress a bit and who do I see ? Mike ! My favorite youtuber ! Thanks Mike you seek to always know when I need a video.
Who asked
Wishing the best for your Dad and your family.
I'm glad to hear that hes stable! I pray you keep well and that he makes a speedy recovery. I agree Mike is awesome!
I'm so sorry you're going through this...you're literally living my worst nightmare. you're a good kid to be there for him like you are and he's lucky to be so loved. it's ok to cry, friend
I'm glad that this brought you some relief. It's so hard. Hugs from over here.
Mike I feel like you spent more time and effort into this story than he did in prison!! Very anticlimactic for the family; thank you for all you do!!❤🙏
To be able to tell a horrific story, with humour and laughs and not do it so it's disrespectful, it's probably one of the hardest things to do. But Mike, you are the rare exception, and I enjoy every minute of it, from the "let's give it a goo" to "i love ya, Mike out". ❤️
No one can pull that off like Mike does.
Mike's the best!
Hi from Austria 🇦🇹
I have to agree, Mike is PERFECT about that, I don't know how he pulls it off to be honest with you.
True crime is inherently exploitative and is disrespectful by its very nature. Respectful means to consider the feelings, wishes, and rights of others in a thoughtful manner. Mike cracking dark jokes about the crime in question isn't considerate to the victim, who were real people who lives were brutally cut short, and their friends and family (also real people). I'm pretty sure I know why some people try to rationalize to themselves why Mike and other true crime media are being respectful. It's due to the cognitive dissonance felt from deriving entertainment off of other peoples grief, pain, and suffering. Unless you're a sociopathic sadist, you know that that is morally wrong. Thus, discomfort is felt from the contradicting beliefs and/or thoughts.
Others that try to be less disrespectful about it attempt to get consent from the victim's family, typically won't mention the perpetrator's real name to keep the focus on the victim, and tend to donate some of the money they're making to organizations that assist victims and their family. Mike does none of those and he makes roughly $20,000 to $30,000 a month off the real people lives that were brutally cut short, and their friends and family's grief while cracking jokes about it. The victim and family's boundaries are violated and they're essentially victimized all over again for our entertainment.
@@bIametheniIe Make a tl;dr will you?
There aren’t many channels that I have watched every single video. Yours is the winner! 💜
Wanna get some life insurance together let me know
Mr ballen and Bailey Sarian are great too, I love all three of them! They’re all excellent story tellers
My hubby just rolls his eyes at me now because practically every time he says something to me I say" I hear ya barkin' big dog!". I crack myself up with Mike's jokes, lol.
🤣🤣🤣 I love it!
😆
Mike is my favourite true crime host, I find others boring. I hope he doesn't change the way he begins and ends programs. I love the way he does it now. From my Irish heritage to yours, 🍻 cheers!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
It gave me pause when Raven's 2nd wife was describing his cruel behavior, stating that he took a swing at her, then laughed at her for flinching...and then she "had to go to her bridal shower." What?!?? This happened *before* she married him, and she still married him? Ladies! Don't dismiss the neon signs!
yes if someone shows you who they are believe them
If the second wife was Mormon there is a great pressure for women to get and stay married, no matter what slimy crap the husband does.
@@cherijoseph7819 you could be right - but even an intensively religious family should have 2nd thoughts about pressuring a woman to marry a man who's first wife was murdered, and then acts like this piece of garbage did. At least I would hope! She ended up getting the marriage annulled after only 6 months, anyway!
Lol My own comment is so similar to this one. I find it odd there aren't a BUNCH more just like it. People are so ridiculous.
@@cherijoseph7819 Stop making excuses. No one pressured her into marrying a guy who's wife was murdered. Please. She needs to confront her own poor decision making. Period
“ He left out the part where he was a major Person-of-Interest in the investigation…. I’d leave that out too. “
Gold. You’re good at this, Mike
it's like his sarcasm grows on you, I didn't laugh as much the first times I saw him :)
…as thousands of people across the planet echo in unison, “give it a goooo” 💜
Your videos help me pass through the days. So lovely. Never stop Mike. We appreciate you so much in so many ways you have and haven't imagined I'm sure. Keep up the great work!! It's certainly appreciated.🎉❤
You must be one of the most hardworking and consistently reliable you tubers around. It’s very reassuring to know you’ll be here for us come rain or shine. Thanks Mike 🤗 fantastic work x (btw we love you too ❤️)
I never been so happy in my life, seeing Mike’s face makes my days better. I love you ❤️
Easy!
Keep ur emotions to urself
Cheers from west Africa
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@Chris Be nice. Mike says he loves us, we're allowed to love him back! 😛
@@criessmiles3620 I'd say you have the streets all figured out but you got it the wrong way round. like "safety strong".
Take a serious TD fan to get that little series of puns
@@IONAPINKMOXIE IKR? I think they are just jealous they have no love in their own existence, or some such. Why anyone would want to kick sand like that is kinda beyond me. You crack on, OP, Mike loves ya x
If your fiancé's former family calls you to warn you that he is a murdering psychopath. I dunno, seems like a tip to take as serious as a heart attack. Might just be me tho!
Nope, not just you. I honestly do not feel bad for Vanessa, I mean seriously how desperate do you have to be?! 🤦🏻♀️
@@MarinkaSea911 and she still went to her bridal shower after he attacked her
My mother told me always meet the parents . If I was getting serious with someone and couldn’t afford to meet the parents ( plane trip etx ) she’s pay for it. Wise woman . My tip ? Psychopaths can’t keep up the act for over 11/2-2 years - don’t commit until after the 2 year mark .
Women love bad men. What else is new.
Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.
I've never heard anyone call it baby a Band-Aid baby but that is the best description people having kids to fix things .if it didn't work before kids it's not going to work after kids.
1.5 mil subs. He deserves it. Watched since the beginning and always hoped he would get the subs he should have
🤣🤣🤣😭 "LLLLLIFE INSURANCE BABY!!!" I saw that one coming. Thank you Mike! Please don't stop the Life Insurance Dance. Even if it's short it's hilarious every time!
“Croakin like his name sake” made me laugh so hard
Such a transparent creep!!!
Omg I can’t believe you watch Mike too!! I love you and Mike! Lol!!
Also, in the introduction: "It's fitting that the name Raven is in this one, because we got a few bones to pick" XD
As always, much enjoy your channel and the way you tell the stories. I found it interesting when Raven was filming that part about how he didn't like to talk about what happened and all the "what ifs?" he had, he never said "what if I hadn't gone out that night she was murdered?". And no mention of his unborn child. Scary
Yessss, glad I'm off work so I can actually watch the second it debuts! Mike always saves the day :)
Who needs Netflix when you have Mike here with _THAT CHAPTER?!_
Amazing how the connecting thread between nearly every one of these killers is the overwhelming narcissism. Turn every single thing about the case into something about yourself. Lean into "everyone is out to get me" victimhood as much as possible.
That's the most common tell in all these cases. The instant you see a suspect make it all about themself instead of the victim, you know with 99% certainty that they did it.
In that interview, he says "..Janet, my wife". Isn't it a given that she was his wife? To me he is transferring what has happened to Janet to something that happened to him instead.
Also he starts out with his alibi when he gets on the phone to 911. He’s focused on where he’s been and not freaking out about the condition his wife was in as much. He certainly is narcissistic. The way he talks about needing money and power while rubbing his chin like a “manly man “ was pretentious and self absorbed. Narcissists, especially entitled men are all about money and power and they think the good traits of empathy and kindness are a weakness. The second wife said he came on stronger with his abuse when she showed fear and then laughed in her face. Those are traits of a malignant narcissist. They are sadistic predators. I wish this thing with the weird ears (did you notice?) was locked away for life because he’s not fit to be out in the world with human beings. He will continue to act the way he has been acting and only get more abusive over time.
@@cindyknudson2715 It does make it about him but it's also possessive. Her identity was wrapped up in his ownership of her. It's reassuring himself because she was his to do with as he wants. It was one of the bigger tells, if someone else did something to HIS property he would feel rage, but when he reassures himself he broke his own toy he feels self-pity and frustration at others questioning his right to break it. It's a subtle red flag I've noticed in narcissists; it's not to clarify relationship, it's to assert ownership.
Its amazing how many women are attracted to obvious narcissists.
@@cindyknudson2715 Exactly ! That's what the blog/interviews were all about, making what happened to her all about him. Hugely narcissistic/self centered.
I love that he always says "I love you" at the end of all his videos! 🥰 he's such a sweet guy!!
There are so many "whys" in this case. Like why would an adult human be named "Raven"?
Seriously 😂 sounds like a nickname a 13 year old goth kid would give themselves lol
@@pr4208 RIght? Or Criss Angel's much less successful cousin.
Because he was named as a child.
Maybe his parents are big fans of the Baltimore football team. I know that’s why I named my son Seahawk
ummmm adult human where is this point of your
Its not often Mike has "kooky" in the title. This is gonna be fire
Thinking now it’s an odd choice
@@ThatChapter nah kooky was a nice change of pace mike u could say the stupid case of elmo and big bird and we'd click
@@ThatChapter nah man we love it
@@ThatChapter please marry me!11
@@ThatChapter "kooky" is an odd choice..
If you're thinking about doing the "Wacky adventures of John Wayne Gacy" or something, I'd reconsider..
Still love ya, Mike!
Nothing describes a Perfect Friday night like a beer while watching a good ol' episode of That Chapter!
Cheers to that friend 🍻
Agreed. Stay free, G. R 🍻 😎 🎲 🌠
HEY!! Thats the same judge for the Michael Peterson case from the documentary on Netflix Staircase! Very good too I will add. Love the insurance dance ALWAYS!!! xD
Omg Mike, I haven't heard the word "poontang" in years. Thanks for making me spray my coffee out through my nose! I appreciated the laugh though, as I'm stuck home with COVID & feeling like 💩. Your videos are awesome.
Hello Darlene
Hey
lmao that one got me too
@@yunglynda1326 hey Lynda
There nothing better when you have a shitty day than hearing “my name is Mike...let’s give it a goo” 💙 thanks Mike
With a "college degree" and all, you'd think Raven could have come up with a better embezzlement scheme than to have the merchandise delivered to his own home. What the hell are they teaching in college nowadays?
It was SVU. 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
It was a Christian college. I'm sure he would have been better going to Trump University 🤣🤣🤣
@@ladycheyne5607 Yes he would have learned a trick or two!
Not embezzlement.
@@ladycheyne5607 You mean like Harvard or Yale or Princeton or William and Mary or Emory or Mercer or Southern Methodist or Pepperdine or almost every other private University in America? Hell, Trump "University" is one of the only non-religious Universities in American history. Of course it isn't a real school, but then neither is Trump a real Christian (just don't tell that to the millions of evangelicals who worship and adore him. Wait, you know what? Screw that! Tell them; evangelicals aren't real Christians either!).
Got to appreciate Mike’s dedication to the Raven bit.
Also, did everyone else notice how coked out of his mind bird man was in the personal home video footage? U can even hear him chopping out lines. Can’t imagine how angry he would be while on speed.
That Chapter and MrBallen are easily the two best true crime storytellers on this platform. Keep up the good work as always.
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I prefer Mike over MrBallen , sometimes, takes too long to tell a story. I like him , though.
@@zazaaziella16 I like Mike aswell, I'm a fellow Dub. Delighted to see him do so well. Deadbug has some sick production skills, deserves more subs.
You would probably love Emma Kenney then.
ballen does not tell true stories...he tells believe it or not stories
I feel sorry for the child. Lost his mom and makes you wonder how he was treated by his dad. At least he was in prison for a few years and away from him.
Yes, me too. I hope the child is OK.
Right. I wish Milke had clarified ifJanets family was able to get custody of the little boy..
Abortions should be made mandatory
As much as we shouldn’t like the “Life Insurance” dance because of what it stands for, it’s hard not to love it when Mike does it.
I'll give you 5 pesos for a scratch
@@Angel_1983 definitely true.
@@AamuAurora depends on where I’m scratching
I wish it lasted longer too! I do believe this one was longer than the last one I saw!
I love the life insurance dance ! Mike is the best .
There's a huge "what if" that was never mentioned in this case: "What if" he killed his wife BEFORE leaving with his friends? Whoever did the initial autopsy did a real shitty job. If the contacts were missed, what else was? During an autopsy, a complete description of the body, head to toe, inside and out should be recorded. My guess is, the person who conducted the initial autopsy was a coroner and not a pathologist. A coroner is an elected position whereas a pathologist is a W2 position and has vastly more postmortem training. Also, I wouldn't put a lot of weight concerning footwear because unknown footwear could simply habe been used for diversionary purposes. The fingerprint on the window could have been left from the day it was installed. There's no way to determine the age of a respective latent impression. I'd further guess the crime scene wasn't processed well as most cases are won or lost at the crime scene.
Not having first hand knowledge of the scene or the investigation, the aforementioned is based solely upon my 23 years experience as a criminal investigator. For what it's worth, opinions are like assholes.
Hahaha opinions are like arseholes!!! Everybody has one I love that saying 😂
@@eleanorreid729 I had to throw that in otherwise I fear I'd be thought of as an asshole. One of my petpeeves is shitty crime scene work. On one occasion, I spent two days processing a scene and I've known other agents to spend several days in a scene. Do it right the first time because there are no second chances.
@@richardclifford003 that's it exactly!! There isn't a 2nd chance xx thank you for the job u do it can't be easy, huge respect xx
@@eleanorreid729 I used to sell cars we would say there's a ars for every seat
He stole shoes. Wear a bigger pair would not be hard. Rubber gloves used has prints turned inside out? And where they found the print was a bit odd from pictures. Movie mystery plot I've seen once had that. Maybe? Just a guess.
Can't believe he only served a total of eight years, for this.
It's another thing that's criminal, about this whole case.
Totally agree. He essentially got away with it.
That sounds about rwhite
There is no direct evidence, hung jury, no case basically. And he served the time. Imagine he’s not guilty and he came through all this?
It was actually for two lives, she was pregnant, he really got AWAY WITH MURDER
Consider Breivik who killed 77 people, including 55 teenagers. Got the longest sentence available in Norway- 17 years, and just had a parole hearing this week
Dude I gotta say, I love the way you do these videos. Your unconventional delivery that's both respectful but also uncharacteristically lighthearted and comical is really entertaining to watch. You're unbiased and don't concern yourself with being overly PC; you tell it how it is and state your opinion outright. Never change your style man, it's awesome.
I'm subscribed to three other true crime channels and frankly That Chapter is the only one I'll sit through a whole video from. Thanks for putting energy into your narration, Mike.
I love all Mike's videos he gets right to the point. Tells the story's in less than tur-dy mins and his chezzy jokes I grown to love good job Mike and thanks.
Came for the “hey you”
Stayed until “mike out”
3:25 that escalated quickly. On the other hand, one thing I look forward to are your subtly placed jokes in these videos. Absolutely love your content Mike! :)
Your content is great as well. Keep it up. Checked out your latest video. New sub.
RIP Janet.
Life insurance baby.... dance
@@monsil7752 I truly appreciate that! Thank you so much.
@@johrathbun RIP.
Friday night lads around having a dobie outside the moons out and now another well overdue episode of that chapter mike just makes life worth living 😊
Wow the way he went from giggling when he thought the camera was off to half tearful instantly when he thought it just came on. What a creep. So much 🤮babble.
17:47
That ‘123’ is mind blowing. To know I’m looking at a piece of contact lens that has been on a decease’s eyes for 3 years…and the tell tale ‘123’ is still perfectly in tact is incredible. But none-the-less very disturbing
Mike you have the best channel on YT by far brother! I couldn’t click on the link fast enough lol
Means a lot to hear that!
@@ThatChapter I agree. Best Crime Channel Award!
OH MY GOSH! My sister dated this guy here in Salt Lake City while the investigation was going on. The FBI took her out to lunch for like 2 hrs talking to her about how they knew he had murdered his wife. She broke up with him after she found all this out and he still tries to contact her. So much details no one knows about. Couldn’t believe when I saw his name in the title. I only met him once and he came across as a totally normal charming young man.
Doubt it
Psychopaths always seem really nice, charming even...
@@codybennett2060 You’re right, I just lie so I can get attention via UA-cam comments.
@@terridonato6231 always seems that way doesn’t it? He seemed to go out of his way to be extra nice and engaging. Hate to say it but I walked away thinking “what a nice guy”
@Jeff P fortunately she was smart enough to dump him
Been subscribed to the big dog for a good while now. But thought I'd give it a goo and have a Saturday binge watching all his vids that I have missed or want to relive. Keep it up Mike mate
I see alot of Mike's stories told on other sites,news and videos about these cases but 10 out of 10 Mike always tells it best. Keep em coming 💯
I agree. Mike and Mr.Ballen are in a class of their own.
@@Scarethelocals I gotta check Mr.Ballen out thanks 😊
I played soccer with Raven in Utah. This was SHOCKING to our community. Crazy
when i was a youngun, i drunkenly pushed my drunken girlfriend onto the floor, a bit too hard, and in front of half a dozen witnesses. her brothers learned of this, and paid me a visit the following day. one beat the shit out of me, and the second (scarier) brother informed me that next time it was going to be his turn. there never was a 'next time'.
moral of the story is: brothers, take care of your sisters.
Was he a center forward with great dribbling skills?
@@easterworshipper5579 I’d like to hope that you grew up and realized it was wrong that changed you, not that you were scared which made you stop.
That's wild, I always wonder if I ever am gonna see someone I once knew pop up in his show. I'm sure it's rather eerie knowing this about him now
@@easterworshipper5579 Sir, this is a Wendy's.
I feel an immediate sense of calm when the start to the familiar music begins. It represents Mike’s style perfectly: subtle, warm, and enjoyable. Please don’t ever change the way your videos are constructed - it’s a formula which works. There are thousands of true crime vloggers…but only one Mike O!
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@@Eisenherz "Oh" right! Also this is the first time I've seen ANY comments about the opening music. I just love it. When he doesn't play it, I get a little disappointed, lol!
So true! I've been watching for a few years and there's a sense of such familiarity and warmth when the music and "Hey You!" starts. I save these videos for when I have a moment to myself and can fully enjoy them. It's like hanging out with a good friend, and you can tell he genuinely loves and appreciates his audience.
Same
Why is it calming hearing human horror stories?
I need to remember to “like” every single video I watch and rewatch.. THANK YOU Mike for being there for me when I need you the most!
You are the best! I absolutely enjoy every bit of your content. With Love From Texas!
same i always "like" because i love Mike and so I don't rewatch the same cases.
Any time I’m in a depressive mode like I have been recently I just binge watch lots of Mike‘s content Because it’s become a very comfort channel for me to watch over the years that I have
Been in that mode for a bit, totally feeling this
Awe Mike, you always come into my life just when I need you most!! 💜💜
Hello Elizabeth
How are you doing
We all know there will be a murder, no surprises there…what makes Mike THE BEST at this is that he uses his charm, wit, humour, and compassion to tell us a story (we usually know the ending to) and that’s what makes him extraordinary! Mike, go on now…we love ya.
Dude stop encouraging him or he'll keep on making videos! Oh, wait... steady on
Yes. I can watch any one of them that I already know what happened. The way Mike presents it makes it fresh and interesting.
I have seen a few shows about the Abaroa's but yours add a lot of detail that were left out of the others. Thanks dude!
Dude, listening to dozens of those 911 calls. His reaction seemed so genuine!
Mike, I have no idea how you do it, but it gets me everytime when I see the Life insurance segment. And this one's the best so far.
The way this creep loves himself, he'll talk.
Need to find out if he has any safety deposit boxes. Sure enough they'll be a tape in there...he has to admire himself.
He didn't age well. 🤮 🤮 🤮
Mike is definitely out there with his outrageous sideline commentary, however , that's what makes this show so damn addictive, that off the wall wit, keep up the great work Mike!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗
I remember this case. I always wondered if he’d paid someone to kill his wife while he knew he would have an alibi. I thought maybe he could have left the house key under a mat or something and just told the perp where to find it. Because of the unknown footprint, fingerprint and the sniffer dog leading to the creek I really believe someone else was involved but I do not believe that Raven wasn’t involved at all. He had something to do with it. However, if I was on that jury I wouldn’t have been able to find him guilty because I believe too much reasonable doubt was brought up in the case. I do feel badly for Janet’s family because they received no answers and they didn’t really receive any justice either. I’m also pretty sure that they were not allowed a relationship with Kaiden - the only piece of Janet that’s left - and I’m sure that is extremely heartbreaking.
I agree 100%! I think he had something to do with it but if I was on the jury, I don't think I would have been able to convict him with a clear conscience.
I was thinking the same
Completely agree, that's exactly what I suspect happened and I agree that the evidence just wasn't there to have convicted him of her murder "beyond a reasonable doubt".
He wld have roped in someone else to help. Probably someone who had a terminal illness or something tho, so he didn't have to pay them, & so they'd die and so wld the murder secret.That's a lot of life insurance money to bribe someone with, too.
You nailed it. He hired someone to kill his wife for the life insurance money. And it, of course, still wasn't enough. "If I could just win $3m lottery....." You see the line of thinking that led him to murder his wife.
Ah yes, my Friday dose of that chapter
Had a brutally long and rough week. So happy to get the alert for Mike and a new case. Perfect way to finish my work week and start my weekend.
How do you think Janet feels?
ew
Happy weekend!
Wanna get some life insurance together
Same!
I listen to That Chapter videos every day on my commute. One time I heard him say Do you guys get tired of… I then tuned him out because no matter what he finishes the sentence with, I.E; the music, the let’s give it a go, the well placed dark silences, the way he talks, his great wit I am tired of none of it. I love it all. He makes me laugh and calms me every day. I make sure I like every video I watch. Thank you for being an amazing creator. I will never tire of your detailed stories 😊
I have never seen a guy who loved the smell of his own farts that much.
Even when he's on TV to talk about the murder, he can only talk about himself.
He probably only fell for Janet because the biggest thing they had in common was their love of him.
I've heard alot of these stories along the true crime journey, but TC just adds so much more to the story. But in an informative way.
Hi Mike. I am a newish subscriber and enjoying your videos very much. Excellent balance between the difficult content and your funny presentation. Thanks for highlighting the victims tastefully and the letting the villains have it. Verbally. Best for 2022 to you!
Lucky you! You could go back through all his fabulous videos , and have a humdinger of a night. I have watched quite a few of them, again.
Even when I've heard the story already or know the ending, or heard Mr ballen tell it . I still will watch because I love the way Mike tells it and I love the videos .I love the pictures of them and you get to know them a little bit better and see them. So in close im binge watching all his videos eight now and still learning new things about murders I all ready knew about.
Your stories are always sad but your sense of humor keeps me laughing the whole time!!! Love it and always happy to see a new one! Love you
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Mike. I would love it if you did a story on a girl that was murdered in Portland Oregon. Her name was Apache Rose and the guy that killed her was name Jessie..... I am having a hard time remembering his last name. Her murder was sad she was loved by many, and I believe her story would be a good one for your channel.
Only Mike can make me laugh while talking about true crime and I love it!!! Thank you for making my Tuesdays and Fridays💕
Hello dear
XXX he makes me smile as well I like mike for who he is
I love the way you tell True Crime stories, thanks for another great video.