The Cruel Affair of Caroline Crouch

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  • Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
  • Caroline Crouch was seemingly happily married to Babis Anagnostopoulos in Athens, living with their new baby. One night in 2021, they were subject to a horrific home invasion, with a tragic and disturbing outcome. This case grabbed Greece and didn't let go, a major manhunt started. But it would end where it all began.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 6 тис.

  • @ThatChapter
    @ThatChapter  2 роки тому +404

    As always, thank you for watching, ‘cause I love ya! If you wanna see two true crime videos every week please subscribe!

    • @OOceaneyess
      @OOceaneyess 2 роки тому +8

      ❤ you too Mike. Your channel is my favorite. I've been catching up on all of your videos as I'm recovering from an accident.❤

    • @jacquelinevelezdevillamerc3861
      @jacquelinevelezdevillamerc3861 2 роки тому

      you recount a tragic story as if you are telling a joke, your lack of knowledge about other cultures and your lack of empathy are really disappointing 😞 very annoyed by you and this video. Learn something from the coffee crime guy.

    • @candicandler2512
      @candicandler2512 2 роки тому +6

      Love the blue cool print shoit..way to give it a geww...😁

    • @elz808
      @elz808 2 роки тому +3

      @@OOceaneyess I hope you're okay 😢

    • @OOceaneyess
      @OOceaneyess 2 роки тому +4

      @@elz808 Thank you so much. Taking it day by day.🌻

  • @carltonthepug
    @carltonthepug 2 роки тому +1788

    Eleven years for the dog.
    If only America can be this strict with animal cruelty.
    Go Greece!

    • @ananyaneralla5382
      @ananyaneralla5382 2 роки тому +130

      Many countries don't even give 11 years to someone who has done away with a person. I am so glad Greece is doing that for animal cruelty

    • @Erato_4
      @Erato_4 2 роки тому +42

      Thank qt least my country is doing for once something right

    • @specUVdust
      @specUVdust 2 роки тому +78

      In doggy years, 11 is like 77 years… Which is basically a full life for a human. So this is kind of like life for a life

    • @kyradebruin9522
      @kyradebruin9522 2 роки тому +43

      Trump made animal cruelty a federal crime here just 3 years ago, hopefully we're catching up. 🤞

    • @Stevelives13
      @Stevelives13 2 роки тому

      @@kyradebruin9522 Yet America slaughters millions of animals every day.

  • @Floridaman1780_
    @Floridaman1780_ 2 роки тому +1453

    Speaking from personal experience, staying in a toxic relationship for the sake of children does more bad than good for them, as well as everyone else.

    • @chrisbentleywalkingandrambling
      @chrisbentleywalkingandrambling 2 роки тому +62

      @@ElegyVio Yawn

    • @lostgirl4129
      @lostgirl4129 2 роки тому +77

      Seriously. I wish my parents just split up sooner because they were really dysfunctional together and it absolutely affected me in negative ways.

    • @mmven1101
      @mmven1101 2 роки тому +31

      Absolutely, ever since I can remember I hoped my mum would separate from my dad. He exhibits all the traits of a person with NPD. They stayed together until me and my sister left home. But the damage was done by then.

    • @mollysilverman6803
      @mollysilverman6803 2 роки тому +5

      Ditto.

    • @J_Lynn
      @J_Lynn 2 роки тому +42

      she was quite a bit younger than him. Groomed. She was probably manipulated into feeling that way. When you're manipulated for many years it's difficult to feel any other way.

  • @brokentoast378
    @brokentoast378 2 роки тому +1020

    Very rare to see any justice for animal abuse. Praise for that magistrate! 🙌🏽

    • @BalboaBaggins
      @BalboaBaggins 2 роки тому

      I bet you eat animals so maybe stop the hypocrisy.

    • @briellebardot5252
      @briellebardot5252 2 роки тому

      Yes the woman was worth 1.9 dogs

    • @nillyk5671
      @nillyk5671 2 роки тому +5

      Turkey and Greece love animals.

    • @ashleysayss
      @ashleysayss 2 роки тому +6

      That’s amazing. And shameful that more countries (including mine) don’t take the same severity as Greece does in regards to animal rights. What a sad story 😢 but what was the little girl doing with that fully grown man. 🚩#1 😖 I would think in civilized societies everywhere that sort of thing would be frowned upon as well..no? It would be here anyways 🇺🇸

    • @Israel.Is.TerroristState
      @Israel.Is.TerroristState 2 роки тому +5

      no shiiit humans value are higher than animal !! ik it completely wrong to harm any animal but humans most be more valuable than any other creatures on earth

  • @heartlocket91
    @heartlocket91 2 роки тому +105

    The fact Roxy got justice too. Delighted. 😊

  • @Jenufir
    @Jenufir 2 роки тому +170

    "Just divorce, just fucking divorce". Amen, brother. Thanks for this and all of your stories. We truly appreciate them.

    • @Aabb110-x3j
      @Aabb110-x3j 2 роки тому +7

      Not an option for egotists.

    • @BalboaBaggins
      @BalboaBaggins 2 роки тому +1

      If the system is biased against you (and even people in here STILL don't acknowledge it), what else can you do if you just don't want the state taking half your money away?

    • @ThienNguyen-wh1fz
      @ThienNguyen-wh1fz 2 роки тому +6

      Probably not commit a murder….?

    • @Chillguy99
      @Chillguy99 11 місяців тому +3

      I guess we will never know the exact feelings of Caroline and Babis, but yeah just agree to go your separate ways if things are not working. Time and time again, custody over a child/children seems to be a huge factor in why people do not want to get divorced or potentially lose custody. Still, be adults about it. What did you think was going to happen, Babis? Sometimes, I question how much a parent actually cares about raising their child or if it is just another tool to use against their partner during the divorce process. This is getting long. I really just meant to say that I agree with you and the creator 100%. Just divorce.

  • @AM09286
    @AM09286 2 роки тому +1879

    I read about Caroline’s parents. It was heartbreaking. Her mother barely talks anymore and devoted herself to looking after her granddaughter. They are both heartbroken 💔

    • @buggiebuild1
      @buggiebuild1 2 роки тому +66

      I was wondering about her, that is extremely sad, feel warm knowing she’s safe with her family, Thank you✌🏻

    • @maybelikealittlebit
      @maybelikealittlebit 2 роки тому +76

      Thank the universe that her mother has her granddaughter to remember her daughter by. What a tragic moment.

    • @hardyquinn9442
      @hardyquinn9442 2 роки тому +33

      Oh my gosh, that is so sad...
      Such a selfish and evil soul to take her away from her family and child, it's just horrific to think about💔

    • @mauricedavis2160
      @mauricedavis2160 2 роки тому +8

      🙏😢

    • @mauricedavis2160
      @mauricedavis2160 2 роки тому +4

      🙏😢

  • @eiriniMusicLover
    @eiriniMusicLover 2 роки тому +736

    I am from Greece and Caroline's murder was a great shock to the whole country. Babis is a monster! He groomed Caroline when she was a teenager (something that, in my opinion, is not talked enough in Greece), trapped her in a abusive relationship, isolated her from everyone and eventually killed her. He also killed their poor dog, placed their daughter on her dead body to make it look like a robbery and then fake cried on TV for weeks.
    Thank you for covering Caroline's story. You are amazing Mike! ❤

    • @Zwillinge26
      @Zwillinge26 2 роки тому +6

      Εννοείται και συζητήθηκε πολύ..Ήξερε τι έκανε όταν του γυάλισε..

    • @legionluciano
      @legionluciano 2 роки тому +3

      Thanks for the spoilers. Geez!

    • @Todesschleicher
      @Todesschleicher 2 роки тому +78

      @@legionluciano looking at the comments while watching a true crime series is just dumb

    • @BecciOnion
      @BecciOnion 2 роки тому +86

      @@legionluciano spoilers? this is a real case where a real person was murdered. its not a show for your entertainment

    • @penskepc2374
      @penskepc2374 2 роки тому +11

      Did the public actually believe him initially or was he suspected fairly quickly?

  • @johnnyyang5349
    @johnnyyang5349 2 роки тому +226

    Such a tragedy. How do this marriage happened between a 16yr old and a 29yr old? She's gone way too soon and still a baby. RIP to both Caroline and the dog. Praying baby girl is doing well, loved and healthy.

    • @woezacardoza5659
      @woezacardoza5659 2 роки тому +4

      Grass on the field play ball 🥒🍅

    • @piratemousie
      @piratemousie Рік тому

      ​@@woezacardoza5659 yeah, you need to be on a fucking watchlist..

    • @TheChristianNomad
      @TheChristianNomad Рік тому +4

      They met at 16 & 29 She was 18 and he 31 when they married.

    • @04Redeemed
      @04Redeemed Рік тому

      ok pedo@@woezacardoza5659

    • @yomama9567
      @yomama9567 Рік тому

      Love...

  • @keithdevlin1
    @keithdevlin1 2 роки тому +473

    "Also a jail term of 11 years and six months for the brutal murder of 'Roxy'."
    *(Pups around the world howl in appreciation)*

    • @mathiastwp
      @mathiastwp 2 роки тому +16

      Finally some justice in the world.

    • @dzekadzenan6977
      @dzekadzenan6977 2 роки тому +8

      to be honest, my dog is kind of indifferent. don't know why he keeps bottling his feelings

    • @michaelelizabethcuaz9142
      @michaelelizabethcuaz9142 2 роки тому

      Excellent verdict! Bastard!
      🇺🇸🇫🇷🇺🇸

    • @stubbs-letterpress
      @stubbs-letterpress 2 роки тому +19

      This bothered me more than anything. That dog trusted him and would do anything for him. And he hung it. It's last thoughts were probably wondering what it did wrong.

    • @Hypnoz11-o1i
      @Hypnoz11-o1i 2 роки тому +6

      Goosebumps !!! 🖤😢

  • @alexandrahuemer9145
    @alexandrahuemer9145 2 роки тому +753

    "She was 16 and he was 29" was all I needed to know about this guy to know he's a waste of fresh air

    • @misery2915
      @misery2915 2 роки тому +67

      shame to her parents also. They allowed this relationship, obviously for the money. Disgusting

    • @mrbenizzle4087
      @mrbenizzle4087 2 роки тому

      The age of consent in Greece is 15, i don’t agree with it but you’re equating an entire culture to pedophilic ideals? The world isn’t just what’s in your echo chamber lmao

    • @mrbenizzle4087
      @mrbenizzle4087 2 роки тому +10

      @@misery2915 they didn’t have to allow it she has the right to give her consent. If that pisses you off, the I’m is 16 too, and that’s first world. America isn’t the only country in the world

    • @misery2915
      @misery2915 2 роки тому +89

      @@mrbenizzle4087 America? I'm greek. Age of consent means nothing. She was underaged. how do you find it normal your 15 year old dating or getting groomed by a 30 year old. It's disgusting and it's the parents job to avoid this. Any normal parent would resolve this at once.

    • @Latoya-
      @Latoya- 2 роки тому +62

      @@mrbenizzle4087 It doesn't matter what damn country it is. It's WRONG, and sick. If she was 25 and he 40, that would be a different story.

  • @liquidamber4461
    @liquidamber4461 2 роки тому +526

    Mike I'm a fan from Greece!!!
    This case shook the whole country. It was a tragedy indeed.
    He is a textbook narcissist. Not only he murdered Caroline with his own hands but he placed the baby near Caroline's dead body, and of course the poor dog. He belongs behind bars for the rest of his life and even though he was convicted for life and ten years added for killing the dog he probably won't serve the whole sentence. He doesn't deserve to live among us. He must remain behind bars for the rest of his natural life.
    Love you Mike keep up the good work!

    • @zarasbazaar
      @zarasbazaar 2 роки тому +36

      Kudos to the Greek legal system for punishing him for the dog's death. In the US it's frequently difficult to prosecute and convict people for animal cruelty.

    • @leonfth
      @leonfth 2 роки тому +31

      @@zarasbazaar Thank you, we're actually very vigilant on animal cruelty, we have a hotline, a webpage for reporting incidents and the laws are quite strict plus the punishments are a lot harsher

    • @ioannana
      @ioannana 2 роки тому +17

      @@leonfth it took us yeeeears for that but, yeah, it has become somewhat stricter for animal abusers.

    • @leonfth
      @leonfth 2 роки тому +7

      @@ioannana Σίγουρα αργήσαμε αρκετά αλλά τουλάχιστον φτάσαμε σε ένα σημείο που πολλές αναπτυγμένες χώρες δεν έφτασαν ακόμα. Από τις λίγες ευχάριστες εκπλήξεις αυτής της χώρας θα ήθελα να πω.

    • @coreencasey5109
      @coreencasey5109 2 роки тому +11

      @@leonfth I wish all country’s would have this law for animal cruelty but the prisons would be overflowing sadly.

  • @erinbillington2405
    @erinbillington2405 2 роки тому +83

    I'm so loving the Greek Court system for not letting him get away with hurting that dog 🐕

  • @tessyredding5422
    @tessyredding5422 2 роки тому +762

    I knew he did it when you said he wasn’t hurt, what a pig. Yay on Greece for adding so much time for the dog murder too, he’s a monster. Love the content Mike 😊

    • @mememe217
      @mememe217 2 роки тому

      YUP SAME
      LIKE What HOME “ invaders” would harm the woman????? AND NOT THE MAN!!!???
      C’mon now

    • @eliethesaiyan
      @eliethesaiyan 2 роки тому +5

      for me,it was at 10:57, he had difficulties in responding to simple questions

    • @JM-kx7dh
      @JM-kx7dh 2 роки тому +40

      Knew it was coming as soon as it was revealed he was 28 and her, 16. Vile man

    • @pammers5588
      @pammers5588 2 роки тому +20

      I know. It didn't make sense either that he was unhurt, since robbers would likely want to incapacitate men first. Such a tragedy

    • @abebuckingham8198
      @abebuckingham8198 2 роки тому

      A home invasion where they kill one person and not everyone else is essentially unheard of. They don't escalate the crime then leave witnesses.

  • @heatherstephens9295
    @heatherstephens9295 2 роки тому +2579

    Go the Greeks for prosecuting him for killing his dog - very impressed! More countries should do this 🇳🇿🇳🇿

    • @karenjordan9607
      @karenjordan9607 2 роки тому +47

      I agree

    • @thevolatilitywhisperer7616
      @thevolatilitywhisperer7616 2 роки тому +57

      Pretty sure most civilized countries prosecute that. (Animal cruelty) it's a felony here. Ask Michael Vick

    • @inwardk
      @inwardk 2 роки тому +102

      Yes! 11 years and 6 months for Roxie.

    • @skidderskunk649
      @skidderskunk649 2 роки тому +122

      @@thevolatilitywhisperer7616 sure but animal cruelty should be punished much more harshly than it is in the US. It’s a slap on the wrist currently

    • @mwest3191
      @mwest3191 2 роки тому +25

      Amen 👏

  • @catherinedove7872
    @catherinedove7872 2 роки тому +97

    I love that Mike always says " look after yourselves" and "I love you" it's so kind

    • @violaharkless8377
      @violaharkless8377 2 роки тому +1

      😝

    • @catherinedove7872
      @catherinedove7872 2 роки тому +3

      @bo rick 🤣

    • @JefferyT1991
      @JefferyT1991 2 роки тому +1

      It’s emotional manipulation. I have serious doubts that he is in love with me

    • @annieseaside
      @annieseaside 2 роки тому +1

      I love it so much!

    • @mirandaschalen
      @mirandaschalen 2 роки тому

      I really could do without. I skip that part, it's cringe af. But that's an unpopulair opinion here, so his tactics work i guess ^^

  • @TheEmerald524
    @TheEmerald524 5 місяців тому +9

    Thank you for being one of the ONLY channels that points out the absolute ICK factor between their ages. Most just gloss over the grooming aspect

  • @strange144
    @strange144 2 роки тому +439

    Then this man had the audacity to demand to raise Caroline's daughter from prison! Thankfully the Greek courts were having none of that and terminated his parental rights. She's being raised by Caroline's parents now!

    • @BalboaBaggins
      @BalboaBaggins 2 роки тому

      Women having terrible taste in men, what else is new.

    • @CazMas7777
      @CazMas7777 2 роки тому +10

      Yea great, they failed once as parents, why not give it another try, right!! Maybe they'll stand by and let a 40 or 50 year old GROWN MAN date the KID when she's 10. Parents should at very LEAST know that a grown man of almost 30 who wants to date their teenaged daughter has serious issues and PROTECT her from that obviously sick man!! But hey, second times the charm!!

    • @stephaniecoggins733
      @stephaniecoggins733 2 роки тому +1

      Thank God 🙏

    • @jjongscorner7476
      @jjongscorner7476 2 роки тому

      I'm sure they only punished him bc of media. I see all of these comments about how happy people are about greek courts and i want to laugh, not bc it's funny tho. People get raped and if courts consider to "take action", it's the victim receiving the weight. No justice ofc

    • @Anna-jf6ir
      @Anna-jf6ir 2 роки тому +4

      @@CazMas7777 Caroline's sister, in the Philippines, is looking after the baby girl.

  • @hopejoons
    @hopejoons 2 роки тому +1098

    honestly im surprised and impressed that they also charged him for the dog's murder. in the states, if a pet were to be killed alongside someone else, the most the perp would get for the pet would be animal cruelty. kudos to the greek justice system for actually giving people who kill animals in cruel ways punishments. RIP caroline & roxy!

    • @annebruecks7381
      @annebruecks7381 2 роки тому +56

      Right? Animals are just considered ‘property’ so the charges haven’t been very great until recently, some things are finally changing! Obviously there is a correlation to animal abuse and violence towards people….

    • @MsWaggydog
      @MsWaggydog 2 роки тому +26

      Anthony Todt was charged for Breezy's murder, although they called it animal cruelty so I'm not sure how the charges differ. Either way, I'm glad that these poor pups were acknowledged. RIP angels. 💜🌈

    • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
      @GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 роки тому +8

      I Swear to God (that I don't believe in) I',m sure I'm incapable of hanging a dog... Based on no fear of eternal damnation, I've hung all the dogs I want to which is exactly 0. Members of PETA... not sure where that limit is ;)

    • @ajoydas-Watch-It
      @ajoydas-Watch-It 2 роки тому +19

      and RIP Roxy !

    • @liligh
      @liligh 2 роки тому +9

      its a first in Greece.

  • @MarinkaSea911
    @MarinkaSea911 2 роки тому +361

    I can’t imagine what Caroline’s mother must’ve gone through after she found out she hugged her daughters killer! I’m so glad they also charged him for killing the dog.

    • @GR-MAGA
      @GR-MAGA 2 роки тому +17

      I wonder the same thing. Obviously, the mother in law didn't even ponder the thought he did it while they were consoling each other. At the moment the police arrived to arrest him, I wonder what went through her mind. It had to be devastating.

    • @charlierobles316
      @charlierobles316 2 роки тому

      Who cares about a dog

    • @ferraroannie4058
      @ferraroannie4058 2 роки тому +2

      YES!!!

    • @amandastakeonit7402
      @amandastakeonit7402 2 роки тому

      To me there's one worse than that. I think Mike covered it but others definitely have. In Australia, a girl in foster care was killed by her foster dad because his ADULT son had been raping her and thought that she was probably pregnant, I think she was 11 or 12. The whole family covered it up. The rapest was out in no time, as well as the mom and brother! The worst part?? They carried her casket! They acted like they were the loving family, I about threw up!! How evil! That's like one extra kick in the gut! Playing the good guys, soaking up all of the condolences! Australia went way too easy on all of them, even the dad!! What a horrible horrible tragedy!

    • @amandastakeonit7402
      @amandastakeonit7402 2 роки тому +27

      @@charlierobles316 😡obviously it's not the same as a 19 yr old girl but it still makes him a sick freak! He killed it for no reason...and in such a disgusting way and put it on display!

  • @Readmore462
    @Readmore462 2 роки тому +74

    came for the crime, stayed for the personality. Hands down my favorite channel now

    • @michaelelizabethcuaz9142
      @michaelelizabethcuaz9142 2 роки тому +5

      That’s on Mike’s business card ! Or should be …
      🇺🇸🇫🇷🇺🇸

  • @camilafanmary
    @camilafanmary 2 роки тому +818

    I am Greek and this case is just utterly horrific. Still devastated.

    • @nolan8859
      @nolan8859 2 роки тому +19

      Wow, thanks for letting us know you’re from Greek!!

    • @VishusVenom
      @VishusVenom 2 роки тому +3

      Doubt it

    • @camilafanmary
      @camilafanmary 2 роки тому +30

      @@nolan8859 να είσαι καλά ααααχχχχχαχα

    • @shakyelarnold7392
      @shakyelarnold7392 2 роки тому +5

      Was there justice for the young man Bakari Henderson who was murder by a mob of people at a bar in Greece?

    • @TooLooze
      @TooLooze 2 роки тому +41

      I've always liked Greek people and their culture. The fact that he got so much time for animal cruelty exemplifies Greece.

  • @WorldOfEnchantment44
    @WorldOfEnchantment44 2 роки тому +1405

    I met my ex husband when I was 16 and he was 28. What did I learn? Predators! When a grown man chases after a little girl, it means he is a monster. I almost didn’t survive mine. He killed our family pets too. A man loving a child isn’t love, it’s a perverted sick and controlling pedophile abusing his victim. But boy do I know what she went through. I only wish I was there to help her get out.

    • @violetmartha916
      @violetmartha916 2 роки тому +91

      I'm so sorry for what you want through, but thankful you survived. I suffered similarly. I wish you much happiness in your life. 💕💕💕

    • @sisiscastle3573
      @sisiscastle3573 2 роки тому +111

      Big facts. When I was 14 I had a boyfriend that was 24. He made me engage in many acts I was scared to say no to. I went on to be molested multiple times by multiple grown men, Including uncle over the next couple years. It’s like predators can smell survivors to take advantage of. My husband of 11 years is only a year older than me now and it’s so clear that this relationship is so much more logical. It’s a red flag for me to see a much older man with a younger woman, I always wonder WHEN they started dated 9/10, it was when she was a child. Maybe not that often, but it gives me pause, nonetheless. It’s heartbreaking and I’m so sorry you too experienced this violation

    • @julianarodriguex899
      @julianarodriguex899 2 роки тому +64

      Your comment will help any girl reading this to be aware ♥️🌻

    • @charaznable8072
      @charaznable8072 2 роки тому +41

      Lol you learn that after you married him? Not a bright one huh? It's literally common sense.

    • @rwbyab7423
      @rwbyab7423 2 роки тому +194

      @@charaznable8072 you comfortable up there on your high horse?

  • @eugeniakyriakopoulou5212
    @eugeniakyriakopoulou5212 2 роки тому +203

    As a Greek, I really did go "yay!" with this video! Congrats on your subtitles, they are spot-on! Loooove the bit about the Greek swearwords, spot-on too! This case was indeed very high profile and it was the first in a long line of domestic violence related crimes that have happened in the last couple of years. I live in Denmark and didn't follow it as closely, so it was interesting to get all the details from this video :-) There is an even crazier case that has been going on in Greece lately, about a woman who is accused of killing her 3 children. Look her up, her name is Roula Pispirigou. There was also a shocking story from Cyprus from about 5-6 years ago, about a man who would kill foreign women (foreigners that didn't have friends in the country, so nobody would be looking for them), put their bodies in suitcases and throw them in a river. Could make an interesting video...Keep up the good work, I love your content!!

    • @eugeniakyriakopoulou5212
      @eugeniakyriakopoulou5212 2 роки тому +11

      @@rsmith8434 Not very sure to be honest, but you would need to contact the registry office of the city/town where that person was born. Red tape is horrible in Greece, so it won't be easy for a birth certificate that old...If I were you, I would combine it with a holiday in Greece😉 Best of luck!

    • @eugeniakyriakopoulou5212
      @eugeniakyriakopoulou5212 2 роки тому +7

      @@rsmith8434 There are also some offices whose job is to provide information, services and help to citizens and sometimes they can make these procedures quicker, they are called KEP (ΚΕΠ in Greek), and there's one in every single city in Greece, but again, with a certificate that old, I am not sure they can help...

  • @angelaavery4264
    @angelaavery4264 2 роки тому +140

    I'm glad he was convicted of his wife's murder and the dog, USA needs to take a page from that law book and for animal cruelty, people get away with that way the hell too much.
    Kudos to Greece

    • @lovelyjanuary
      @lovelyjanuary 2 роки тому

      Absolutely! It is such a horrifyingly common characteristic of sociopathic/narcissistic (often serial) murderers out there that they either have a history of animal torture and abuse or it is found alongside their other atrocities like this monster. It is such an indicator of a truly viscous and almost certainly lethally dangerous and volatile calculating individual that it should be taken much much more seriously- aside also from the fact that it is an inhumanely soulless and truly evil act to even have a thought of committing against such innocent and often helpless beautiful little pure souls that pets and animals often are in those tragic situations. 😭💔

    • @ChaCha.44
      @ChaCha.44 2 роки тому +5

      You are so right about the dog! I think if more ppl in the US got sentences like that for animal abuse or neglect they might think twice before doing anything cruel to a helpless animal. Then again, sadly, I doubt that would work…ppl would still find ways to get out of it or around it, and their attorneys would get their charges dropped or decreased to something a lot less. 🙄 And even if none of that happened, I highly doubt anyone put in jail for 11 years for killing their dog that way would in any way actually end up serving the full 11 years! Ha! This country is notorious for letting ppl outta jail/prison early all the time! Smh. Yeh, don’t even get me started on that… May that beautiful baby girl be blessed and protected for the rest of her life, and may her mother and Roxie RIP. 🌹 🕊 ❤️ 💐

    • @luccamartin8197
      @luccamartin8197 2 роки тому +1

      I agree!!! So happy that he was punished for both murders!!! Only a sociopath would kill the mother of his child and an innocent and helpless dog!!!

    • @Rapamaru
      @Rapamaru 2 роки тому +3

      I wish you had our gun laws too.

    • @p.sunshine3619
      @p.sunshine3619 2 роки тому

      So does the uk x

  • @hectortsougarakis439
    @hectortsougarakis439 2 роки тому +461

    Proud member of the 0,1% of Greek viewers here and long time fan! I didn't think you'd top the life insurance dance but you really cracked me up with the Greek swear words!! I had to go back and give it another listen!! Thanks Mike for making Tuesday and Friday so much better and also there are quite a few rather disturbing Greek cases you could cover. The most interesting one for me would be the Satanists of Pallini from 1993.

    • @Zwillinge26
      @Zwillinge26 2 роки тому +21

      Δεν περίμενα ότι θα ήμασταν τόσοι πολλοί πάντως!😅

    • @trampalado
      @trampalado 2 роки тому +8

      I also mentioned Pallini's Satanists in my comment. Plus Theofilos Sehidis.

    • @joxepojoxepin2752
      @joxepojoxepin2752 2 роки тому +11

      0.1%

    • @joxepojoxepin2752
      @joxepojoxepin2752 2 роки тому +6

      @@Zwillinge26 you are about 160 Greek subscribers if numbers are correct.

    • @nantia07
      @nantia07 2 роки тому +6

      Παρούσα ;)

  • @annieseaside
    @annieseaside 2 роки тому +208

    The minute he realized he had completely lost control of her and that she was truly going to leave he snapped. We’ve seen this a million times. We need to educate women that this is the most dangerous time and there are usually steps you can take so you are safe and not in his presence when he gets the news.

    • @rudra62
      @rudra62 2 роки тому +13

      Also, it's not uncommon for the abuser to injure, torture, or kill pets in front of their abuse victim. I don't know whether this POS killed the dog in front of the wife or even first - seems to be a short time between sleeping, heart spiking, and flatlining.
      Women (usually - men are victims of domestic abuse too) need to be educated to remove themselves, their children, and their pets to safety when the abuser gets the news that the victim and family are getting out of the situation.
      Sadly, most shelters won't take pets. Often there is another option - from a vet, to a friend, to a non-profit who cares for pets while their owners are temporarily unable to provide a home for them.

    • @Walter_Nicolas
      @Walter_Nicolas 2 роки тому

      Hello Annie how're you doing and your family hope they're all doing great

    • @rileywiley268
      @rileywiley268 2 роки тому +6

      @@Walter_Nicolas do you know Annie? Otherwise kinda weird comment .

    • @TheRoadhammer379
      @TheRoadhammer379 2 роки тому

      None of you take issue with her admission of hitting him, because he didn't ask her if she was well? She doesn't say in the diary that he hit her, but hey....I guess domestic violence is acceptable when the woman does it, sickening.

    • @sarcasticallyrearranged
      @sarcasticallyrearranged 2 роки тому

      We need to educate boys about respecting women and accepting their decisions instead of crumbling like pathetic, weaklings who think they own their woman!

  • @Lyxuria
    @Lyxuria 2 роки тому +42

    Beautiful to see a country that gives animals some justice ⚖️ 👏 ❤️ hope this monster never get to set his foot outside as a free person ever again.
    R.I.P Caroline and Roxy ❤️🕊

  • @Andreamom001
    @Andreamom001 2 роки тому +1941

    A grown person who dates teenagers is a person with problems. Young people, avoid adults willing to date you just like you’d avoid the plague.

    • @MikeMichaels1987
      @MikeMichaels1987 2 роки тому +26

      And Covidmonkeypox

    • @herbertmacaulay8987
      @herbertmacaulay8987 2 роки тому +17

      Nake fews

    • @MikeMichaels1987
      @MikeMichaels1987 2 роки тому +16

      @@herbertmacaulay8987 Tom crews

    • @deanlangworthy3311
      @deanlangworthy3311 2 роки тому +136

      Absolutely! When I was in high school I had 15-16 yr old friends that were dating guys up to 25! Ick 🤮.. I would always try to get across to there's got be a good reason they can't get a girl their own age.

    • @m.y.o.b.724
      @m.y.o.b.724 2 роки тому +120

      @@deanlangworthy3311 These guys want to be in control and it's easier with someone so young as they're more like a father figure to these girls.

  • @Smorans
    @Smorans 2 роки тому +845

    Okay, there’s enough tragic violence in killing his beautiful young wife, but what kind of depravity has to exist within you as a person to place your infant daughter with her mother’s lifeless body, just to make your staged robbery look a bit more believable????? That poor little girl. 😢

    • @Katie5683sMal
      @Katie5683sMal 2 роки тому +39

      This was my thought as well, absolutely traumatic for her. What a piece of shit this guy was for so many reasons.

    • @crystalrosas6052
      @crystalrosas6052 2 роки тому +55

      And to kill the dog wtf

    • @Nkyleccc
      @Nkyleccc 2 роки тому +7

      @@crystalrosas6052 RIGHT?

    • @charaznable8072
      @charaznable8072 2 роки тому

      Don't forget hung the dog over the balcony...

    • @lovesClouds
      @lovesClouds 2 роки тому +27

      he is a sick monster. He had no problem appearing in front of the cameras and reassuring everyone he has faith in the greek police to find whoever did this. He had the audacity to make her mother pay for Caroline's coffin and he showed up at the funeral with a helicopter as if he was playing in a movie. He literally hugged her mom moments before the cops went to arrest him. BTW, he said he unlocked his phone using his nose while he was tied up. It was the first thing that made everyone have second thoughts about him and his innocence. I hope her daughter will never meet this guy. He is no father. He didn't love Caroline or her.

  • @MrsMerely
    @MrsMerely 2 роки тому +281

    I already knew he’s guilty when I heard that he groomed her when she was just 16 and he was in his 30! I know there can be love despite so big age difference but in my opinion usually men going for teens treat them as purely sexual objects, easy to dominate and control. For me it is sickening that we see this quite often.

    • @amandastakeonit7402
      @amandastakeonit7402 2 роки тому +15

      Yep 👍

    • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
      @GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 роки тому +6

      So in most US States that's called Jail Bait/ Statutory Rapee. Anybody know the Greek Laws on this? Mom & Dad could have had this mean SOB locked away and none of this awful stuff had to happen. I'm ignorant about the laws there. Such a sad end to a lovely lady & precious pup.

    • @CovidConQuitTheCensorship
      @CovidConQuitTheCensorship 2 роки тому

      Yes. The maturity levels or large gap in maturity IMO makes him a pedo. What normal 30 yr old would be interested in a 16 yr old girl, even sexually because they don't have any experience, think starfish, but my point is for him to go for such a young girl had red flags

    • @BlisaBLisa
      @BlisaBLisa 2 роки тому +9

      @@GregBrownsWorldORacing apparently the age of consent in greece is 15 :/

    • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
      @GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 роки тому +16

      @@BlisaBLisa Ooh... that law didn't help her.

  • @Raw_Roots
    @Raw_Roots 2 роки тому +10

    If in an abusive relationship, do NOT let the abuser know you want out. Do not know let the abuser know when you're leaving, this is the most vonderable moment.

  • @beebsb4478
    @beebsb4478 2 роки тому +1205

    I Am a non Greek living in Athens. And While this case was covered by media extensively, Greek society (in my opinion) missed to focus on how disgusting it is that adult man was trying to date high schooler. I don’t understand how parents can allow almost 30 year old date 16/17 years old. Absolutely crazy and disgusting.

    • @blackcat138
      @blackcat138 2 роки тому +87

      Yes, absolutely disgusting

    • @bettywith2girls
      @bettywith2girls 2 роки тому +150

      Let's be honest here...he was rich...that's why.

    • @eleni73
      @eleni73 2 роки тому +161

      I am a Greek not living in Greece. Greek society is unfazed by the age difference because it's not considered out of the ordinary: my parents are 16 years apart, and other family members of mine touch 30 years difference, including teacher-student relationships. I think it's a combination of a patriarchal societal structure and the religious undertone that make Greeks normalize these relationships.

    • @beebsb4478
      @beebsb4478 2 роки тому +124

      @@eleni73 I totally agree, Eleni. It weirded me out because you still can see a lot of partnerships where female is much much much younger than male. However, we are not living in 19th or 20th century. And while i understand that there is different acceptance of age difference in Greece, I still believe that in many cases it is just not correct and right. Especially, when u start to day someone as a child, because let’s face it, she was a child. Every single adult person in her environment who supported this relationship failed her. The fact that he did not look like usual pedo suspect and had money does not mean that at almost 30 he should be dating high schooler.

    • @beebsb4478
      @beebsb4478 2 роки тому +52

      @@bettywith2girls unfortunately, I also believe that his social status “excused” the fact that he was dating adolescent. Still can’t boggle my mind, though!

  • @olympiaskandali9806
    @olympiaskandali9806 2 роки тому +83

    This crime is almost every day in Greek media, for a year now! Shocked our country. He is an evil monster! So cruel and tragic story. Congratulations for your channel, i watch it every time. Greetings from Greece! 🇬🇷

    • @Bubbies-777
      @Bubbies-777 2 роки тому +1

      No Crackhead liar batch 🤥

  • @beeeeeeeee7951
    @beeeeeeeee7951 2 роки тому +104

    “Hey you” sounds like your old buddy talking to you on FaceTime! Hey to you too mike. We LOVE LOVE what you do

    • @ThatChapter
      @ThatChapter  2 роки тому +28

      Means a lot to read that!

    • @berni9977
      @berni9977 2 роки тому +4

      @@ThatChapter This still doesn’t change the facts that there are 49 million kangaroos in Australia and 3.5 million people in Wales which means if kangaroos were to invade Wales each person will have to fight 14 kangaroos. 😏

    • @joshdfox420
      @joshdfox420 2 роки тому

      @@berni9977 dear Lord...glad I live in America. lol

    • @beno1129
      @beno1129 2 роки тому

      @@berni9977 You forget that the Welsh have an ace up their sleeve: sheep! Over 5 million rams can charge the kangaroos Lord of the Rings-style and improve the Welsh odds

    • @berni9977
      @berni9977 2 роки тому

      @@beno1129 😮😮

  • @tiffanysantiago516
    @tiffanysantiago516 Рік тому +6

    I wish the laws for killing or abusing animals were as strong here in the US as they seem to be in Greece. Poor dog didn’t deserve that as much as she didn’t

  • @libbyscrapper720
    @libbyscrapper720 2 роки тому +263

    Loving the amount of cases you've covered lately that I've not heard of Mike! This is a sad one, such a vile man. Massive kudos to Greece for adding 11yrs onto his sentence for killing that beautiful doggie, I wish other countries took animal abuse this seriously!!

    • @eleni73
      @eleni73 2 роки тому +11

      I am Greek, and I was also pleasantly surprised about the doggo sentence as well!

    • @ShalomShalom-d5c
      @ShalomShalom-d5c 2 роки тому +2

      Yes, in America animals are considered "property" so there is basically no punishment for animal crimes. Yay Greece!!

    • @marygoff3332
      @marygoff3332 2 роки тому +1

      As if killing humans weren't enough (Caroline was so pretty) - the dog gets hung too? Sick sh*t. That dog was adorable. :(

    • @julielevinge266
      @julielevinge266 2 роки тому +1

      Yep! We could learn a lesson from Greece✊
      A neighbour of my brothers threw his dog off a 5th floor balcony!!
      He was arrested!
      But for criminal damage done to the car that his poor dogs body hit!!
      So this psychopath had to make reparation for a dented car! Disgusting!😡

  • @ajay-naz6996
    @ajay-naz6996 2 роки тому +212

    Hats off to the Greece authorities for giving him 11+ years imprisonments for the murder of the dog 👍

    • @livea3596
      @livea3596 2 роки тому +6

      For sure. That just warmed my heart.

    • @martyreking5487
      @martyreking5487 2 роки тому +6

      Should've been 77 years in dog's years...wait...am I getting this right?

    • @justinbladedemonsoul
      @justinbladedemonsoul 2 роки тому +1

      Was just thinking that

    • @roccocoyote
      @roccocoyote 2 роки тому +1

      The Judge watched John Wick the night before the sentencing

    • @ΚωνσταντίναΚων-χ8η
      @ΚωνσταντίναΚων-χ8η 2 роки тому +1

      Well most criminal here get out around the 20 year mark and just stay out

  • @thejudgmentalcat
    @thejudgmentalcat 2 роки тому +2275

    Mad respect for the Greek courts who also sentenced him for the murder of the dog. I happen to love dogs btw ❤️

    • @joanodom2104
      @joanodom2104 2 роки тому +166

      The judge mentioned the dog at the Todt sentencing, in Florida, also. I would like to see it become a trend. ANIMALS COUNT.

    • @melissam597
      @melissam597 2 роки тому +124

      And it was pretty hefty - 11 years. Wish we were like that in the UK.

    • @melissam597
      @melissam597 2 роки тому +108

      @@joanodom2104 those dogs probably adored their killers :( also hanging your own pet from a balcony is one of the most f'ed up things I've ever heard, the thought of anybody doing that to my cat makes me want to cry

    • @Stichting_NoFa-p
      @Stichting_NoFa-p 2 роки тому +1

      And other animals like cows, pigs chickens? Which are tortured and holocausted each year by infinite numbers.

    • @carewser
      @carewser 2 роки тому +70

      yeah, why he murdered the dog makes no sense either

  • @magdaroidou1171
    @magdaroidou1171 2 роки тому +11

    Proud greek viewer here, I don't know about the other folks, but I send much appreciation for the sensitive approach in your videos. Hope we will get to enjoy as long as you feel like it :)

  • @GldnClaw
    @GldnClaw 2 роки тому +74

    I knew it would only be a matter of time before Smart watches and step-counting would become involved in a case. This will happen much more in the future and really help.

    • @dreed1058
      @dreed1058 2 роки тому +6

      I know! Brilliant! Science & tech just keep on improving/ helping catch criminals. Now, if we can find some solutions to gun violence!

    • @avaggdu1
      @avaggdu1 2 роки тому +7

      It's certainly not the first time. Familial DNA through ancestry testing is also solving so many cold cases; the days where murderers and rapists escape because they aren't on a DNA database are going - they can be tracked down and identified through relatives' DNA. What we need now is GPS microchips implanted in criminals who are likely to reoffend. Don't want to be chipped because "muh rights!", well, don't do the crime.

    • @niominati
      @niominati 2 роки тому

      It’s been used many times

  • @ΤούλαΚαφετζάκη
    @ΤούλαΚαφετζάκη 2 роки тому +10

    Hello, Mike. Hello, everyone. My name is Νατάσα Καφετζάκη. I am Greek, living in Thessaloniki, Greece. I have been watching THAT CHAPTER, non-stop, for almost three years, now. Thanks, Mike, for a STELLAR coverage of Caroline's case. Babis is indeed a monster. He should never see the light of day, again. By the way, Mike, your Greek viewers/fans are MANY more than you believe. Take Care. And keep up the good work. We appreciate it, and YOU!

  • @markoskalapothareas1423
    @markoskalapothareas1423 2 роки тому +79

    As a greek fan myself, I'm proud to be part of the 0.1 % of your viewers Mike!!

    • @dimika_
      @dimika_ 2 роки тому +7

      I was about to add the exact same comment word for word 😄

    • @annavretou8721
      @annavretou8721 2 роки тому +6

      Επίσης Ελληνίδα... Also Greek

    • @dimitroulak.5295
      @dimitroulak.5295 2 роки тому +4

      Greek as well and a big fan of Mike!

    • @Zwillinge26
      @Zwillinge26 2 роки тому +1

      Μεσσηνία μυρίζομαι..😛

    • @trampalado
      @trampalado 2 роки тому +1

      0,1%! Maybe we could all meet haha. Greetings from Corfu!

  • @moongod5013
    @moongod5013 2 роки тому +58

    Someone told me that innocent people do not talk to interviewers. They're mourning, they don't want 11 microphones in their face, they don't want to become a public spectacle. Poor Caroline; so young, a new mother. I hope her daughter is doing okay now.

    • @aislinnleblanc8019
      @aislinnleblanc8019 2 роки тому +3

      This makes sense hence Chris Watts

    • @mizzouranger134
      @mizzouranger134 Рік тому +5

      Grieving people handle things differently all the time… think of all the parents of murder victims that speak to the media frequently… lots of innocent and grieving people talk to the media after a tragedy… sweeping generalizations like that are just ridiculous to make assumptions on.

    • @mimisezlol
      @mimisezlol 8 місяців тому

      What about that case with the Irish couple in Australia? The husband spoke to the news but was completely innocent

  • @narcdetester2102
    @narcdetester2102 2 роки тому +69

    This is why you never tell a controlling partner you are leaving them. You just leave without warning when they are off the premises, seek safety and shelter with others and go no contact

    • @idylledoll
      @idylledoll 2 роки тому +2

      Exactly. I never understood why people need to announce this...haven't they heard enough stories to know the risks?

    • @judithgannon5642
      @judithgannon5642 Рік тому +2

      I think the killing is about losing control. Taking her life would reassert his control.

    • @simonetta-ta
      @simonetta-ta Рік тому

      👍🏾👍🏽👍🏻‼️

  • @dimitrarena5643
    @dimitrarena5643 2 роки тому +214

    Hey! I'm representing the 0.1!
    Fun fact: The Chief of Police Mr. Balaskas, during his press conference said that " Babis could just kill Caroline and claim he did it out of rage and just get 5-7 years but now he did all this for no reason and he will get more years" . So, he gave a tip to future murderers on how to Get away with killing another person with no grave consequences and in fact, another guy murdered his girlfriend while on holidays and he did exactly as the amazing chief of police advised all his fellow men...

    • @yagesh287
      @yagesh287 2 роки тому +30

      Well its not the officer's fault. He was just being smartass. You should rather demand for the rule of law to change. Premeditated or not, a murder is a murder.

    • @dimitrarena5643
      @dimitrarena5643 2 роки тому +1

      @@yagesh287 a smart-ass? Just that? well don't tell me what I should do, since the stupidity of the Greek police is beyond measure. Handling that type of a case and having to speak publicly requires some training or at least some common sense. He was in the wrong and incapable for this position and that's it .

    • @TheEvilQueenHasSpoken
      @TheEvilQueenHasSpoken 2 роки тому +16

      You are making a huge assumption...that these future murderers have the brains to mask their premeditation as spontaneous. I doubt most will be that successful at it.

    • @Brittany25-j6f
      @Brittany25-j6f 2 роки тому

      You're representing the 10 percent?

    • @dimitrarena5643
      @dimitrarena5643 2 роки тому +2

      @@Brittany25-j6f of marks audience living in greece

  • @tamz7396
    @tamz7396 2 роки тому +101

    Big ups to Greece for also nailing him for murdering poor Roxy.
    What a horrific case 😕

  • @cbsg5861
    @cbsg5861 2 роки тому +64

    Hey Mike, go check the Roula Pispirigou case. It's another greek case that's been unfolding these days, mother killed her children presumably to keep her husband from leaving her. She's held for the murder of the older one Georgina 9 y. old, but it's been speculated that she killed the two younger ones too. There's also an open case for the death of her landlord lady, there were some money issues.
    Also, great coverage of the event!!
    I'm the 0.1% lol

  • @timgreen2426
    @timgreen2426 2 роки тому +1052

    SHE WAS A CHILD. He was almost twice her age when he started pursuing her. I was born in Greece and I love Greece.. having said that, I wish there were laws against such things. I respect the justice served for the dog, yet daily donkeys are brutalized for tourism, and young girls are legally unprotected from adult men.

    • @PsYcoPink
      @PsYcoPink 2 роки тому +17

      Agreed 👍🏻

    • @ladymopar2024
      @ladymopar2024 2 роки тому +4

      🚔🎯🚔

    • @GrimDim
      @GrimDim 2 роки тому +31

      There is laws, most countries have it between 16-18. 16 year olds often need consent from their parents for marriage for the most part. Just bad parenting.

    • @mandarina4157
      @mandarina4157 2 роки тому

      *Canisovis
      Idk why my phone corrected it

    • @nyarden301
      @nyarden301 2 роки тому +25

      Shout out to smart watches and pedometer apps for being the best detectives out there

  • @luvmibratt
    @luvmibratt 2 роки тому +228

    Thanks!....Mike you are the absolute best story teller hands down thank you for all your hard work and please keep the videos coming 🙏

    • @ThatChapter
      @ThatChapter  2 роки тому +52

      Thank you so much, will do!!

    • @berni9977
      @berni9977 2 роки тому +36

      @@ThatChapter This still doesn’t change the facts that there are 49 million kangaroos in Australia and 3.5 million people in Wales which means if kangaroos were to invade Wales each person will have to fight 14 kangaroos. 😏

    • @beeeeeeeee7951
      @beeeeeeeee7951 2 роки тому +6

      @@berni9977 omg what is the information 💀💀💀😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀 LOVE IT

    • @Rillafish
      @Rillafish 2 роки тому +16

      @@berni9977 😂😂 get that guy who punched the roo that had his dog by the collar..lol he will deff take 14

    • @6AlphaMikeCharlie9
      @6AlphaMikeCharlie9 2 роки тому +2

      @@berni9977 just get the sheep to fight the Roos off

  • @Mi_Pi
    @Mi_Pi 2 роки тому +85

    Hi!!!! 🇬🇷I'm one of the few Greeks who watch you, and have actually recommended this case! I feel seen 🤓
    On another note, this case exemplifies the misogyny in Greece. Super young girls hanging out with older guys, and no one ever thinks twice about it. Also, the way media covered this, always referring to Caroline's physical appearance. Just disgusting.

    • @Sarah-ru2pd
      @Sarah-ru2pd 2 роки тому +10

      I was trying to calculate how old she was when she became pregnant.. By an adult man 😞😞

    • @Panos__1904
      @Panos__1904 2 роки тому

      I do not remember any greek media referring to Caroline's physical appearance and I do live in Greece. In fact everyone more or less was certain that this guy was a scumbag and was lying from the very beggining as nothing was making sense

    • @Mi_Pi
      @Mi_Pi 2 роки тому +7

      @@Panos__1904 Well, it was mentioned in literally every single coverage: gorgeous Caroline, the girl with the luscious long hair, beatiful young girl with sparkly eyes etc. Objectifying her even in death.

    • @andrewmoreton2368
      @andrewmoreton2368 2 роки тому +4

      @@Sarah-ru2pd About 17 1/2, I think he said the baby was 18 months old? If so then 9 months pregnant equals 27 months to knock off Caroline (no pun intended) age of 19 years & 10 months. But if baby younger then she was older than 17 1/2. Either way it usually takes time to get pregnant, especially if she was on some form of contraception like the pill & not relying on him for condoms. Regardless she was only just above legal age when the relationship started.

    • @avamasquerade
      @avamasquerade 2 роки тому +3

      @@andrewmoreton2368 I assumed when he said they adopted a dog, four cats, and a baby that the baby was adopted...unless he misspoke..

  • @Luna-ii4mx
    @Luna-ii4mx 2 роки тому +86

    That poor dog 😭 Killed by someone he loved and trusted. Completely innocent. Nothing makes me more mad than animal cruelty!!

    • @Cecethegreat425
      @Cecethegreat425 2 роки тому +9

      Well cruelty to humans should make you more mad. I love dogs too, I have 3. But humans matter more….

    • @jichaelmordan1212
      @jichaelmordan1212 2 роки тому +15

      @@Cecethegreat425 not to me. I love my dogs just as much as the people in my life. I'd kill and do anything to someone who harms my animals. Idc who you are or what status you have. I love my animals just as much as people.

    • @paulavitoria1798
      @paulavitoria1798 8 місяців тому +1

      @@jichaelmordan1212 It may be so, but Luna-ii4mx said "Nothing makes me more mad than animal cruelty!!", not "Animal cruelty makes me as mad as human cruelty".

    • @jeyan65
      @jeyan65 8 місяців тому +5

      @@jichaelmordan1212agree 💯. Animal lives matter as much as human life . And in some ways I find cruelty towards ‘pets’ even more disturbing as they are totally dependent on us humans for their well being

    • @chiasanzes9770
      @chiasanzes9770 8 місяців тому

      @@Cecethegreat425 Humans are only another animal species we nothi n more. You need to go back to school.

  • @faykouri1162
    @faykouri1162 2 роки тому +149

    I live in Greece and I was absolutely shocked to watch this case ,at the beginning everyone thought what he said was true Babis was a respectable pilot no problems with the law so no one doubted but as it unfolded some things didn’t quite fit.The police did a really good job in uncovering this tragic mess ,it was a tremendous shock to everyone when the truth came out sadness anger rage . Carolyn’s father has stated that Babis will never see his daughter as he’s going to change her name and move to another country.

    • @bhaktidharma4957
      @bhaktidharma4957 2 роки тому +12

      Understandbly the anger by Carolyn's family but they can not deny how tragic it is that his daughter also is also granddaughter from his parents, who are also victims of this and who also have rights to be with their grandchild. Nobody can erase the fact that his daughter remains his daughter even if the child will change her name. And that she has family from her father's side who must love her as much as her family from mother's side.

    • @faykouri1162
      @faykouri1162 2 роки тому +3

      @@bhaktidharma4957 I agree with you.

    • @keln7804
      @keln7804 2 роки тому +13

      @@bhaktidharma4957 unfortunately he took that away from his parents when he killed her mother. The world isn't fair, they have no legal right

    • @bhaktidharma4957
      @bhaktidharma4957 2 роки тому +2

      @@keln7804 : I am not so sure about that. The fact that he murdered her doesn't mean grandparents from his side loose all rights, and even if so it would be unwise for the child to grow up without the other grandparents or other family from his side. That means the same what he did when he killed her, depriving the child of a mother when he grew up. It will be double worse if the grandparents from mothers side now want to deprive the baby of the love from the grandparents from his side. That is just something like in a divorce one parent does not want the children to have contact with the other side anymore, not in the interest of the children. In my opinion it would be better if the child has good contact with his parents as well, that will show her that from his side not everyone is evil or bad, only her father.

    • @keln7804
      @keln7804 2 роки тому +4

      @@bhaktidharma4957 we will have to agree to disagree.
      Also, I wouldn't compare divorce and murder.
      When a divorce occurs, of course all parties have rights to relationships with a child.

  • @hellobaby9018
    @hellobaby9018 2 роки тому +23

    11 years added for the dog- go Greece! Caroline was beautiful- RIP

  • @sushimar0
    @sushimar0 2 роки тому +97

    I've been following you for years and it's the 1st time I see a case from my country. You have done an amazing job covering this cruel case. It was evident from the start he was the one who did it. Hopefully that monster stays in jail for many many year because in Greece unfortunately you can commit murder and in less than 15 years be out and live your life like nothing happened.

    • @julieslovelyworld
      @julieslovelyworld 2 роки тому +9

      We Greeks know that he will probably be released too soon.

  • @taylor3101
    @taylor3101 2 роки тому +10

    That cute puppy? My goodness, I guess you'd have to be EXTRA calloused to do that to such a cute animal.

    • @jonathanallard2128
      @jonathanallard2128 5 місяців тому

      Many, many screws loose, nay, completely missing in his cabooche.

    • @m420-nd1if
      @m420-nd1if 2 місяці тому +1

      Pretty sure unaliving your child's mother is worse than doing it to a dog.... you got it twisted

  • @oskarrasmussen7137
    @oskarrasmussen7137 2 роки тому +170

    You know, the idea "Everywhere has a lot of history, they just decided to write it down" should be mentioned more often in history courses.

    • @BrownEyedGirl1367
      @BrownEyedGirl1367 2 роки тому +20

      I agree. Also, more attention should be paid to WHO is writing the history and their bias.

    • @nunceccemortiferiscultu7826
      @nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 2 роки тому

      @BrownEyedGirl1367 it is, to the point of it becoming a fault in the education system.
      A much more important thing to consider is who *has purposely suppressed* their own history while holding up the well knowen sunbleeched bones of history from other people's as a shield for their own past.
      (Looking at you Africans and Arabs)

    • @valerierodger7700
      @valerierodger7700 2 роки тому +8

      @@BrownEyedGirl1367 That is an essential part of history courses, at least at the university level.

    • @lissi6931
      @lissi6931 2 роки тому

      Another poignant quip from Mike! It is at least in university level but I agree.

  • @wendys390
    @wendys390 2 роки тому +60

    The Greek people have my greatest respect, that they charged him not only for murdering his wife, but the dog. BRAVO.

  • @Debabike
    @Debabike 2 роки тому +52

    Thanks for all you do! I have never commented on your show before but have been a follower since last year. You kept me sane during the pandemic. Keep being you! 🤗

    • @amandastakeonit7402
      @amandastakeonit7402 2 роки тому

      I know you did not mean it to be, but your comment is very tongue in cheek!! Knowing there are still murders out there taking place, kept me mentally well. 😆

    • @ThatChapter
      @ThatChapter  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much Deborah, making these kept me sane during the pandemic so we're even! Haha, thank you so much! You're very kind!

  • @cathybassett6432
    @cathybassett6432 Рік тому +6

    Excellent video. 11 years for the dog. Love it. You are always such a treat. Thanks!

  • @FIDEL_CASHFLOW_
    @FIDEL_CASHFLOW_ 2 роки тому +293

    I love your ability to seamlessly inject moments of levity into horrific crime stories

    • @beeeeeeeee7951
      @beeeeeeeee7951 2 роки тому +9

      Bro it’s crazy!!! You never see it coming. He literally said “I’m gonna butcher some greek names but I’m not the only butcher” . One of mike’s episodes has to air during my funeral

    • @buggiebuild1
      @buggiebuild1 2 роки тому +1

      That’s a big 10 -4 👍🏻hits the spot every time✌🏻

    • @amikeller607
      @amikeller607 2 роки тому +1

      Facts!!! He and John Oliver from last week tonight 🤣

    • @MikeMichaels1987
      @MikeMichaels1987 2 роки тому

      Thanks, I work hard to make all of this happen, your compliment means a lot to me. What does "Levity" mean?

    • @racy-san
      @racy-san 2 роки тому

      @@MikeMichaels1987 Hey Mike...levity meaning conveying light humor into very serious circumstances...✌💖🕯🥂

  • @VangelisKontogeorgakos
    @VangelisKontogeorgakos 2 роки тому +260

    Every body was suspecting that Babis was the culprit, right from the start. You did not butcher the Greek names, except Glika Nera (Sweet Waters). There are some cases that can be featured in your channel, and we,your Greek fans will be delighted to help you out! Your pronunciation of Greek curse words was hilarious!

    • @iromar888
      @iromar888 2 роки тому +23

      Next chapter Roula Pispirigkou..

    • @verityverity4040
      @verityverity4040 2 роки тому +3

      really ??? Why , he looks very much calm , cool and collected . I just still cannot grasp it its him. What a vaste of human life . He must of had tortured mind .

    • @starlingswallow
      @starlingswallow 2 роки тому +6

      How are you guys doing over there in Greece? Hope you all are well on that side of the world!

    • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
      @GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 роки тому +3

      I'm happy seeing all these Greek names. Artemis Iro and Vangellis your last name is more Greek than Athens ;) Have you been watching Mike all along and we are just now noticing you? We suppose Mike's first language is Greek ;), but his English is coming along well. Opa!

    • @Becbullaney
      @Becbullaney 2 роки тому

      @@verityverity4040 likely because it's more common to be killed by a spouse or family member than a stranger.

  • @kamillelord3891
    @kamillelord3891 2 роки тому +40

    From watching too much true crime I’ve noticed whenever there’s a situation where one “victim” miraculously is the only person not killed in a home invasion type situation..it’s usually that person who committed the crime.

    • @amandastakeonit7402
      @amandastakeonit7402 2 роки тому +3

      By "usually" you mean everytime but are politely leaving room for error?! ...because if so, I agree! There might be an odd exception so burried in the "stats" ( I hear ya, big dog , Mike 😉) that it goes unmentioned. Otherwise, yep!

    • @pamelahaze3211
      @pamelahaze3211 2 роки тому +1

      💯

    • @clareshaughnessy2745
      @clareshaughnessy2745 2 роки тому +1

      Yep, my first thought too

  • @mariopuzo3361
    @mariopuzo3361 5 місяців тому +2

    I remember watching this case on the news as it was happening. The entire country was talking about it. Despite his pathetic attempt to blame migrants for his own crime, most people felt that something was fishy with his story from the start.

  • @camilafanmary
    @camilafanmary 2 роки тому +329

    Also: what people often tend to forget about this case is the fact that Babis literally GROOMED Caroline into marriage. She was 16. Actual grooming took place and people said "he's a good guy, she's lucky to marry him".

    • @boated915
      @boated915 2 роки тому +66

      A damn near 30 year old grown man trying desperately to impress a 16 year old by flying a helicopter over her school is insane. I try hard not to judge others’ cultures but there is just no world where a relationship dynamic like that is healthy

    • @shmiqqy
      @shmiqqy 2 роки тому +2

      @@boated915 what does culture have to do with this, is this known as a Greek practice?

    • @boated915
      @boated915 2 роки тому +34

      @@shmiqqy I don’t know and I hope not, but the age of consent in Greece is only 15, so their relationship was completely acceptable in the eyes of the law. It’s easy for me to point out the red flags in retrospect, but I can only speculate what the people around them thought about their relationship.

    • @tenglish420
      @tenglish420 2 роки тому +14

      There are underage Filipinos all over the internet searching old man. Age don't matter to them. Only money and a better life. I wouldn't doubt she pursued him

    • @ellemarr7234
      @ellemarr7234 2 роки тому

      @@tenglish420 disgusting overgeneralization and just plain wrong. A mother was killed! How’s crypto going by the way? I hear Tether and Terra are just doing swimmingly. You might wanna drop the crypto and learn compassion. You need it.

  • @rosekeyes3189
    @rosekeyes3189 2 роки тому +48

    11 years for torturing and murdering a puppy. The USA should have stiff penalties like this for animal cruelty!

    • @erinistryingherbest
      @erinistryingherbest 2 роки тому

      wdym he's from greece

    • @frosty_teacup
      @frosty_teacup 2 роки тому +2

      @@erinistryingherbest they meant that Greece did a good job with the penalty for killing the dog, and the USA should do the same thing.

    • @hanmarnah
      @hanmarnah 8 місяців тому

      Every country should, praise to Greece ❤

  • @jolestat7763
    @jolestat7763 2 роки тому +47

    When you are from Greece and see an episode on this channel, then you know it's pretty bad! This case will haunt us for decades! Greetings from Greece Mike! Keep going! The 0.1% salutes you! [p.s. there is another case with a mother that is accused of killing her 3 children, but it's still under investigation. Something tells me, that if it all comes true, you'll cover it as well-and you should]

  • @justeeenar8484
    @justeeenar8484 2 роки тому +8

    I’m so happy they sought justice for Roxy too.

  • @demigravani9569
    @demigravani9569 2 роки тому +87

    I knew that you would cover this case. I’m sure you were waiting for the verdict so that you would have the whole picture.. there is another case happening right now in Greece.. mind blowing.. a mother charged with killing her three children…I guess you ll cover it someday. Thank you for the great content! Greetings from Greece

    • @elenispinou5733
      @elenispinou5733 2 роки тому +3

      This is a great suggestion! Maybe he's waiting for the final verdict. I don't think she'll ever confess to be honest

    • @tammyburke9453
      @tammyburke9453 2 роки тому

      Ohhhhh mad love to you

  • @manarinapsa5152
    @manarinapsa5152 2 роки тому +49

    I thought you would never cover a Greek case. Happy to watch this one which shocked the country.

  • @gwgwtsop
    @gwgwtsop 2 роки тому +101

    Another Greek fan here Mike and i have to say even though this was a very sad and upsetting story i am glad seeing you covering it !Love from Greece 💖

  • @anthonyfajardo7906
    @anthonyfajardo7906 2 роки тому

    Thanks!

  • @kristenjustkristen9462
    @kristenjustkristen9462 2 роки тому +64

    I wish the animal cruelty/killing charges carried hefty sentences here like they do in Greece..
    11+ years for killing the poor pup, plus life for killing his beautiful wife, serves the monster right!
    Rest easy Roxy. You're with your mom and at peace.

  • @GIORGOS8v
    @GIORGOS8v 2 роки тому +393

    Another 0.1% here! It was a case that literally shook the whole country. You covered really well the story, Mike! And you shared interesting details, as usual. Flying over her school with his helicopter??? Really??? 🤨

    • @shelbyorourke01
      @shelbyorourke01 2 роки тому +9

      I love your profile picture 😂

    • @kerdokristini
      @kerdokristini 2 роки тому +18

      Xαχα....ειμααστε πολλοι τελικα....εγω νομιζα οτι ειμαι η μονη που τον βλεπω απο την Ελλαδα....

    • @thanoskonstantinou1831
      @thanoskonstantinou1831 2 роки тому +11

      Γειά σε όλους!
      Το that chapter είναι πολύ ενδιαφέρον κανάλι!
      Καλή συνέχεια!

    • @lexifromhellenichigh
      @lexifromhellenichigh 2 роки тому +6

      ρε παιδιά, εσάς πως σας τα έσκασε να ακούσετε για την Κάρολαϊν από τον φίλο Τσάπτερ;

    • @annatsirka9751
      @annatsirka9751 2 роки тому +4

      @@kerdokristini κι εδω μια φανατικη φαν 😋😋

  • @SmoknBlondie
    @SmoknBlondie 2 роки тому +60

    Thanks! I can't thank you enough for what you do! I wish I could give more.

    • @FunkyMonk4Life
      @FunkyMonk4Life 2 роки тому +4

      How are you tipping him 10 bucks? Is there a tip button I'm missing?

    • @Runtzlow
      @Runtzlow 2 роки тому +3

      @@FunkyMonk4Life there’s a heart button that says give thanks and that’s how you can donate

    • @martynas2194
      @martynas2194 2 роки тому +3

      @@FunkyMonk4Life yeah, it's a "thank you" button under the video.

    • @nicomancinicorleone9768
      @nicomancinicorleone9768 2 роки тому

      @@Runtzlow I can't find it.

    • @SmoknBlondie
      @SmoknBlondie 2 роки тому +1

      @@FunkyMonk4Life it's the "thanks" button below the video. It just showed up today for me.

  • @dezzab8926
    @dezzab8926 2 роки тому +1

    Omg thank you for covering this! I read about this in non American news and was so surprised and disappointed it wasn’t covered here in US

  • @mayberelevant3237
    @mayberelevant3237 2 роки тому +85

    I remember when this story hit the news , I was suspicious of him from the start . If these intruders had no problem murdering Caroline during a robbery, why would they leave him (a witness) alive ?

    • @mullcrumthesage
      @mullcrumthesage 2 роки тому +1

      She saw their face(s).

    • @Brendawallingbear
      @Brendawallingbear 2 роки тому +1

      She was a kickboxer so she would've fought back. But something's really weird here. I'm halfway through the video and I'm expecting to find out that her husband killed her and faked the robbery.

  • @vinesauceobscurities
    @vinesauceobscurities 2 роки тому +99

    Says a lot about the suspect's personality killing that dog, as he based his action on his perception that local burglars were expected to be savage enough to do that. So much projection.

  • @janetdear6429
    @janetdear6429 2 роки тому +36

    😱 wow what a story, may Caroline and Roxy rest in peace, 🙏 way to go the greek court giving him 11yrs for murdering the dog. Hope he rot's in jail another interesting video thanks Mike 🖤

  • @Voodoorai
    @Voodoorai 2 роки тому

    "A 43 year old Georgian. Not the state, not the FONT". I almost fell out of my chair, laughing...that's the font I always use. Dang. Mike's slayin' all day!

  • @VioletJoy
    @VioletJoy 2 роки тому +66

    11 years for killing a dog?! I've seen murderers get less for killing a human being. It was absolutely appropriate too. Poor pup. 💔

  • @mimicakal
    @mimicakal 2 роки тому +11

    They need to start handing down lengthy sentences like this for animal abuse/deaths in America.

  • @cookie_dough_hangover
    @cookie_dough_hangover 2 роки тому +111

    There's a case of Roula Pispirigou, from Patras, Greece, a mother who allegedly killed her three daughter. My husband is Greek and we are living in Cyprus, both cases are very difficult to stomach. Absolutely heartbreaking.

    • @brennashaw4856
      @brennashaw4856 2 роки тому +1

      Omg , my MIL was telling me about it. Didn't she call the police pretending to be someone else and then when they called the number back she answered and that's how they busted her?

    • @tasosdiaforetico7377
      @tasosdiaforetico7377 2 роки тому

      Where in Cyprus dear?

    • @cookie_dough_hangover
      @cookie_dough_hangover 2 роки тому +2

      @@brennashaw4856 Yep! She did!

    • @liligh
      @liligh 2 роки тому +1

      I already wrote about this. I dont think she did it. The journalists are trying too hard to manipulate us

    • @liligh
      @liligh 2 роки тому

      @@brennashaw4856 nope, its not proven. The journalists come up with a lot of stuff. For me, it is either the doctor or the husband.

  • @Irish1Eric
    @Irish1Eric 2 роки тому +9

    Hey you....I missed this one. Bad day for me. Bad mental place. Watching and rewatching some That Chapter. Wellll listening cuz I'm at the job. Please Mike never underestimate the work you do. Folks love ya, thank you for keeping us smiling, informed, and sometime terrified. Be safe all.

  • @ashleyvrl58
    @ashleyvrl58 2 роки тому +58

    The "hey you" makes me crack a little smile every time 😌. Hope you have an awesome weekend! 🌻

    • @buggiebuild1
      @buggiebuild1 2 роки тому +2

      Right,?,,lol, makes you feel like there’s a friend calling out to you, he’s my favorite TC channel✌🏻

    • @MikeMichaels1987
      @MikeMichaels1987 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks, you too, and remember, a frown goes down, a smile goes a mile.

    • @aroseinwinter7719
      @aroseinwinter7719 2 роки тому

      And at the end of the video you wait for the ‘wink’ and smile again

  • @xeokym223
    @xeokym223 2 роки тому +37

    I love how modern technology is taking out criminals because of their own stupidity.

  • @joanbrennan2534
    @joanbrennan2534 2 роки тому +70

    I just LOVE that you sign off saying
    "...I love ya".
    Clearly, there just is not enough love in our world. It always makes my heart smile when you let viewers know that you are a loving soul.

  • @haji818721
    @haji818721 2 роки тому +3

    Mike, you are the best, That fast forward of Greek history just about killed me.

  • @mpartisanmarket6553
    @mpartisanmarket6553 2 роки тому +65

    Tragic story. Hits right at home (I'm Greek too....not part of the 0.1% though as i live in Canada 😆) I'm guessing Carolyne was majorly furious and disappointed for using violent verbiage and accronyms like pp for paliopoustis or m for malaka in her diary... very sad turn of events for a mom gone too soon and that poor dog 💔 thanks for all the great content and the love Mike, love ya back 10 fold 💞 by the way, awesome hearing you rocking that greek, your pronounciation is absolutely "υπέροχη"😉👍❤

  • @annaandre9131
    @annaandre9131 2 роки тому +256

    There is another story that is unfolding in Greece at the moment. A mother, Roula Pispirigou, has been charged with the murder of her 9 year old daughter and is investigated for the murders of her other two daughters, a 3 year old and a 6 month old!
    This woman is something! The way she talks, the way she manipulates, her social media presence, it's something I've never seen in my life! She was in constant communication with reporters and media, giving interviews and spreading rumors, even now she still gives interviews through jail!
    Maybe watch out for that story, even though it might take some time, since authorities are very careful and move slowly in the investigation.
    Love your content!

    • @b4ubcomeold
      @b4ubcomeold 2 роки тому +7

      LOVING LOVING LOOOOOOVING THE HAWAIIAN SHIRT MY GOOD MAN!
      You're truly *THE BEST OF THE BEST* It's true love from all of us! I'm just (1) of your devoted fans! (Or relatives as Johnny Depp puts it! lol)

    • @sandrahatzialexiou7429
      @sandrahatzialexiou7429 2 роки тому

      This will be the crime of the century for Greece!!! We are all waiting for the results. The whole country demands for justice for these 3 little girls!

    • @naomiledger1374
      @naomiledger1374 2 роки тому +6

      Sounds like another good one for young Mike to cover!! Hey Mike?? 🙏

    • @dimisgkioulis
      @dimisgkioulis 2 роки тому +6

      This case, is not finish yet

    • @steve-rw7ty
      @steve-rw7ty 2 роки тому

      sounds like a real bitch Anna. keep up the good fight.

  • @boomer63
    @boomer63 2 роки тому +9

    How long has this option been here? Well, I'll give it a goo 🥰
    One day about 2 years ago, That Chapter found its way to my feed.... and hasn't left 🥰 I'm okay with that. Its almost like I have a son on the other side of the big pond. Keep up the amazing work cause.... we love ya!

  • @Stellamoon666
    @Stellamoon666 2 роки тому +4

    May she rest in peace ❤️ and bubba grow up with a wide support system and a beautiful future. My heart hurts as a mother for this child.
    What a tragic and absolutely heartbreaking story. 😔❤️

  • @roseannnaldi3964
    @roseannnaldi3964 2 роки тому +456

    Quite a story he gave the authorities. I'm so glad he got life, and I'm glad they gave him time for killing his dog. He's a disgusting human being. As always, I look forward to watching you. Stay safe Mike!Love you!

    • @GetUnwoke
      @GetUnwoke 2 роки тому +7

      I hope they have some dog lovers in Greek prison who will hear about this 🤞

    • @bobbymenon4057
      @bobbymenon4057 2 роки тому +5

      Greece has the world famous Takis Shelter👍👏🏼

    • @AT-nq3sy
      @AT-nq3sy 2 роки тому +2

      @@GetUnwoke it’s a damn dog. What about the human being that lost her life?
      I have been to prison and no one cares about shit like that in there. Trust me he will not get shanked because he killed a dog. But keep living in an alternate reality.

    • @siad955
      @siad955 2 роки тому +2

      Life in greece means 15 years max. If you say some prayers and play it a good christian you will be out in 7. That's justice in Greece's system.

    • @nycgirltee
      @nycgirltee 2 роки тому +3

      What do you people get out of saying the verdict in the comments? Let people watch it and get to the conclusion on their own. Damn

  • @angelapietras1235
    @angelapietras1235 2 роки тому +75

    What a creep he was not only killing his young wife,but leaving his child without a mother,and because I’m a great animal lover I hope he gets his payback in prison.

    • @KneeoGeeo
      @KneeoGeeo 2 роки тому +2

      Are you vegan?

    • @smlaurain
      @smlaurain 2 роки тому +1

      Should have more time for the murder of a loving and trusting companion. No, I am not a vegan, I love my dogs tremendously.

    • @lisamcdonald2877
      @lisamcdonald2877 2 роки тому

      @@smlaurain you do not have to endanger your health to love animals. Life and death is nature, sad though it is for the indivIdual prey. I suggest the YT channel Vegan Deterioration to learn more

  • @Curmudgeon902
    @Curmudgeon902 2 роки тому +16

    Wow! The Greek court handed down a significant sentence for killing the dog!!! That’s amazing. Wish that happened in more countries.

  • @annvroom5539
    @annvroom5539 2 роки тому +1

    I've learned here that if I'd have ever been in real trouble in Greece and needed Greek emergency help I'd have gotten no answer since I would have just been dialing "9-1-1", again and again and, again. Thx, Mike, another great bit of useful info abt that Greek "1-0-0" thing in case of ever being murdered there and needing to nose-dial for an ασθενοφόρο.

  • @kimbaker3194
    @kimbaker3194 2 роки тому +17

    RIP Caroline ,never to see your daughter again and her baby without her mom because of this monster 😢. Thanks Mike your one of a kind .GOOD JOB

  • @annebruecks7381
    @annebruecks7381 2 роки тому +11

    He got 11 additional years for murdering his dog? Thank God SOME countries take that kind of thing seriously…

  • @eleanorion4860
    @eleanorion4860 2 роки тому +26

    "but I'm not the only butcher" man I love your humor and wit Mike! Have a great weekend!

  • @PatrickC139
    @PatrickC139 2 роки тому +6

    I'm only glad that their daughter is too young to have any memory of this entire situation. It may be her only saving grace growing up when eventually she has to learn about her parents. 💔

    • @Hhaha888
      @Hhaha888 2 роки тому +1

      Actually the younger children without ability to speak suffer the most trauma based brain changes....she was experiencing something horrific visually and unable to gain relief from either mom or Dad or puppy....she will need extensive therapy to heal from this....hopefully her grandparents do a better job raising her