Training to Failure on Shoulder Press
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I blew up after discovering Jay and HIT. Made more progress than the 10 years of tomfoolery I'd done since my teenage years.
Absolute insanity.
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Yes junk volume is like spinning your wheels. If even 20% of people that work out. We're to train HIT. The number of natural well built men out there would go up 10 fold. Unfortunately. Most will never learn so never get close to their GP..
@yipperdeyip because HIT principles work. Anyone who says it doesn't isnt training hard enough to failure or isnt resting enough to adequately recover and or not eating enough protein.
I hope you make more of these videos
That’s me! Hard while you’re doing it but feels great after lol 😂
Great job! Keep going.
How does that machine feel? Seems like a quite wide position for the arms, it feels uncomfortable at first sight
how often do you train?
@@TexasTabla Twice a week, 30mins. That's it. In 8 weeks, down 6 Ibs of fat, up 2 Ibs of lean mass.
@@ravin.c howd you measure lean mass gained
Jay gives away too much free information 👌👌
We need more videos just like this one!
You can truly say "I'm done" after that
so that's what failure looks like, very helpful video, thanks Jay
Now it takes a step more to see how failure feels like
More videos of you training clients bro this was one of my favorite
HIT seems a lot easier now days. When I started doing HIT in 1983. We used to go to positive faliure then several assisted reps folliwed by negative reps and static holds. Early Mentzer training was far more brutal than his later protocol of one set per bodypart. We did at least 2 sets for small muscle groups and 3-4 sets per large muscle group. Made some crazy gains i was only 16 when i started doing HiT. Life long natural. I do less sets nowdays now i'm 56 keep it up guys! 😀
Its always great to see actual examples of HIT in action, since how you do it is more important than what you do, and seeing can be easier than reading or hearing. Personally I avoid set extenders, mechanical drops, rest-pause, etc. because I end up with too deep a hole to recover from.
4 sets of “I regret my 20s and they’re hurting me rn” til failure…which is what I am right now
You said you prefer a converging chest press bc of the humeral adduction function of the pecs. Is a converging shoulder press unnecessary or does that have any benefits over a straight vertical shoulder press like this?
Great video
Give us a leg workout Jay . And also arms.. 👍❤️
I felt that rep for him.....💪
Awesome🤩🏋️♀️
Why such a short ROM?
The handles barely reach his forehead. Based on the individual or universally applied ROM?
HANDLES TOO WITH FOR MY PREFERENCE BUT NICE PROPER WAY TO GO FAILURE👍👍👍
You really need to be în my shoes to see what actual failure is!
What your thoughts on this machine? I don't see it useful as it have a straight path also the position is very weight like you are doing behind neck shoulder press and doesn't feel natural.
Is that a prototype behind the neck HS press? I see some unicorn pieces on Facebook marketplace sometimes but I've never seen that version
Don’t know how you do it. I have been trying this type of training and I feel like the lactic acid build up is what stops me not muscular failure. But great set
use a heavier weight
Looked brutal
Are we doing the big 5 here?
Yep thats what it looks like
Doing absurdly slow reps with a quarter on each side will do next to nothing for a natural trainer. Build the guy up to where he can do 3 plates a side and it will elicit growth
My problem isn't going to failure, it's failure to going.
First!😬
He certainly wasnt going to be able to do 5 sets like that😂
The super slow shit is pointless. The negative and the stretch are far more important than the contraction itself at the top. Going that slow on the positive is only hindering the ability to do more negatives and pauses in the stretch.
Why would you need more negatives? Reaching real failure on the concentric phase is enough to turn on the growth stimulus.
Fortunately he didn’t breathe like a dog
Lol...which seems a must for some hit trainees
@@Oettam_201lbs yes. It looks bad.
@@NewDarkKnight people should just learn how to breathe naturally during workouts
@@Oettam_201lbs normal expiration doesn’t need any muscular involvement. Forced expiration requires intercostal & abdominal muscle involvement. These peoples need to learn to breathe.
Not training to failure is boring, totally boring.
Are you kidding me
And all the comments that are speaking as if this was optimal on any level in contrast to so many cues that should have been given to optimize the set if you want to call it one . Bro start showing more videos of you actually training and put all your techniques and tactics on display cause from what I have seen of the few videos I have watched I’m not very impressed all things considered
It’s just interesting how all these trainers claim they are world class yet from my lens it typically looks sub par at best
Go watch some of Phil Daru videos and see what a world class coach looks like with any and all intricate nuances to perform optimally is showcased
😅 Emotion does not allow you to rationally understand the difference between EXERCISE and the pathetic circus acts that make up 95% of the Fitness and sports industry, understand Henneman's size principle, read Body by Science; with these 3 basic steps your workouts will be safe, effective, efficient and you will save time to learn
i don't like forced reps and for me they are counter-productive but i've been doing this for decades. What benefit do forced reps bring to the beginner? Does this help the beginner feel something that he couldn't have otherwise felt without a forced rep? The guy in the video looks like a beginner.
Forced reps help to reach actually mechanical failure. Under the guidance of Jay, I would completely trust being put through forced reps, even as a beginner
@@joeypangparra5348 failure is accomplished by oneself. If one is using a well-designed machine that does not have sticking points; assistance is not necessary. As a matter of fact, forced reps can be a hindrance not help.
@@sokaiya1I find forced reps to be very taxing for the recovery ability. I never do more than 2 reps forced and never combine going to concentric and eccentric failure.
@sokaiya1 most Hammer peices have resistance curves that have the weight feeling like a ton in the end range of motion
A forced rep or 2, usually a self spot if it's an isolation HS machine, can get me another 40+ seconds of inroading vs quitting when I hit a sticking point "failure"
@@PaintDryLifting just have to make sure you have someone that knows how to help. Ask any random person in the gym and they will mess up the forced rep. There is also the psychological component in which people don't go 100% because in the back of their mind they know that someone is going to be there to help them.