As an addendum to the original issue of misfires. Many times with a new gun I will strip it down and re-lube everything. I did not do it with my 93 17hmr. I began getting light strikes and misfires. I thought to myself, SHIT! I have to send it back. Remembering I did not clean this gun I took the bolt out and soaked it in some light cleaner, then I re-lubed it with Ballistol. I took the 93HMR out yesterday, I shot 60 rounds without a misfire and what's more interesting, not a single cracked neck. The brass now is being struck really hard and the firing pin sounds more sharp when I pull the trigger. Of course the 2 problems are totally separate issues. If you have 17hmr ammo that has cracked necks get ahold of Hornady, they will make you step over a few obstacles but they will send you new ammo. I had 2,000 rounds and I was not going to shoot the stuff if it was going to crack.
A useful safety tip to remember is if you get a misfire of any kind ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS VISUALLY CHECK the bore is CLEAR before you load another round into the chamber. I was on the skeet range with a friend who had a misfire on his O/U 12 bore and he went to reload and i stopped him and made him check the barrel and sure enough there was the wad stuck about half way up the barrel. Remember the next guy who reloads without checking might be standing next to you
Great video set.....I had split case problems with my Savage 917 VRX. No mis-fire issues, but lots of split cases. I was looking for a chambering/seating problem, but after watching both videos, I opened a sealed box of Winchester Varmit HV / 17 HMR / 17 Grain / 2550 FPS / Polymer Tip V-Max. 5 out of 10 "brand new" unfired cases had neck splits (faint but still there). It's DEFINITELY the Ammo !!! I feel better about the gun now, but the Ammo Manufacturers have some work to do !!!!! Thanks Again !!!! I think Chuck G found the answer below. Thanks Chuck !!
I just ordered this gun 3 days ago, I'm glad to have come across this video and the following discussion. I learned so much and would have been so disappointed and frustrated with the gun. The ammo at least has to be new stock with the improved neck that aren't cracked.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist I've now taken it to the range, zeroed in the scope, (Weaver 3-9 x 40) came with it. Took it out to 100 yards and am very very pleased with accuracy. I don't even want to shoot my 22lr any more. This gun makes me look like a professional sharpshooter. I only gave it a thorough cleaning before taken it out to the range. CCI V-Max 17HMR POLYMER TIP varmint 25500 fps.
@@Kcrunchymunch When my Savage 17hmr. was new the accuracy was nearly one hole at 50 yards with most brands of ammo, through either wear or use it has become mediocre at best. See my post on head space...
Thanks for posting. I have a 93R17. Although it was purchased 7 years ago, I fired it for the first time yesterday (4/23/2021). I had all the same problems you describe plus one. I had several misfires and simply ejected them and fired the next. However, I had a misfire on my second to last shot. I cycled the bolt (keeping my cheek weld). The misfired round ejected and the next round fed just fine. On the last pull of the trigger the gun literally "blew up." Blew the bottom of the magazine out as well as blowing the whole magazine out of the well along with the bottom metal taking the stripped screws with it. The stock split top to bottom from the forearm back through the pistol grip. Upon inspection of the ejected round I discovered the bullet was missing but the case was still full of powder. So, even though the round did not fire...(and I'm not talking about a light or "squib" load...I mean it did not ignite at all), for some reason the bullet must have remained in the chamber and the next round fed right in behind it. After watching your videos I inspected my fired brass as well as remaining ammo. Out of 15 fired rounds 12 of them are split. So far I have found several split cases in the unfired ammo as well. I thought about sending the rifle to Savage and I thought about just buying another rifle but in the end, Like you, I have decided the .17 HMR is not for me. I'll find other toys to play with.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist I sent my rifle to Savage. It was about a 5 week wait but they repaired it and returned it to me free of charge. However, there was no paperwork at all describing what they did. It does seem like the bolt is a bit tighter on lock up than it was. I also contacted Hornady and spoke to a very nice, knowledgeable rep about the ammo. I told him the lot# and he said that the ammo was manufactured in 2003 (18 years old!) and that Hornady's warranty, even though the best in the industry, is only 10 years. I said I didn't see how that was possible because the shop I purchased it from wasn't even in business until 2009..He suggested maybe they took the ammo in on a trade or maybe a distributor sent them some old ammo but, in any case, the lot numbers don't lie. He explained that CCI produces all the.17 HMR brass for all the ammo manufacturers and the split cases were a well known problem. As you know the 17 is made by neck sizing 22 mag brass. This neck sizing work hardens the brass. The problem is that the sizing is done AFTER the priming mixture is in place so, therefore, the brass cannot be annealed because of the heat required. Forgive me for not remembering all the details but he said that at some point (I think he said after 2009) CCI did come up with a process of softening the brass to try and eliminate the problem. Even so the brass can harden over time no matter how it's stored so he recommended checking every round for cracks. He said the easy way he does this is by simply pressing the bullet tip of each cartridge against a table before loading it. If the bullet slides back into the case, you know the neck is split. Anyway, he said that since I had no way of knowing how old the ammo was when I bought it, to send it to them and they would replace it, which they did. I have since fired 100 rounds of the new ammo with not a single split neck and with greatly improved accuracy. I had several older boxes of ammo from other manufactures which I disposed of. I have since purchased a Boyd's AT-One stock for the 93R17 and absolutely love it!
I had this exact same issue with a Browning T bolt. Gun is f****d, I however was fine thankfully. I’m in the uk and the ammo issue is the same, there has been a real bad lot from the factory that makes most 17 rounds, and it is not down to the gun, it’s poor ammo. I was told by the range guys that it has been common, and the necks split (before firing) which can allow the powder to get damp and not burn. The primer is enough to puff the light bullet out just far enough to enable the shooter to chamber another, then bang. There are warning signs, a click or small puff sound rather than the 17 crack as it goes supersonic, but if your on a busy range with .308’s next to you it can be hard to decipher which bangs are from which trigger pull. 🤔 Glad you were ok, it’s good Savage fixed the gun, I was told by a couple of gunsmiths that my Browning was not economically worth repairing.
I had the same issue with a new batch of 2K Hornady 17 grain rounds. I contacted hornady and they are on it. Apparantly they will exchange, but they for sure know about it.
You must know someone at Savage. Just sent my 93 b17 hmr in for no fire. Bolt and receiver worn after 100 rds. Too much head space. They won't do anything to fix it. Very unhappy with Savage.
I had a bunch of Hornaday misfires that the bullet ended up in the barrel the first time that happened I wasn’t aware of it and I had it explode and blew up my magazine. It doesn’t even make a noise when it misfires Hornaday replaced ammunition gave me a new breck.
I have the same rifle, stainless, left hand with thumb hole stock. It started out as a tack driver and with use had extraction problems, severely split cases and poor accuracy. The ammo I agree is a major problem but when the rifle went from good to bad my findings differ. I took the fired case's to work and used a comparator to see the difference between fired and new, the deformation was very pronounced and my conclusion is head spacing from worn lock up surface. I will also sell and or trade up on the rifle, very disappointed with Savage and an almost universal problem with this product.
Yeah that pew-pew would stay in the cabinet when I went squirrel hunting. I want confidence that my 1.00" size target (squirrel head with 1/2" wiggle room) is whacked to a hundred.
I found out from Hornady what the real problem is. CCI makes ALL the 17hmr brass. When they make the brass they begin with 22 mag brass, they insert the ignition compound - then they neck the case down, at that point after neck sizing they cannot anneal the cases. Because the cases are worked and without them being able to anneal them you end up with cracks. I had 1,200 rounds, shot like crap, 20 out of each 50 were cracked. I sent the 1,200 to hornady, 5 weeks later I got them exchanged for newer stuff. I took two boxes of 50 and ended up with zero splits. Now I need to get out and shoot some.
Chuck I truely believe YOU found the answer. Those necks are all weak and pressing the bullet just stresses 'em. Cracks were found in my "New" unfired ammo. Thanks !!!
@@ricksoutdooradventures5250 Was it newly manufactured? I have a feeling Hornaday is checking the necks on the ammo now. Imagine what this has cost them. This problem is all over the net.
@@BarryB382 Nope, it was 3-4 years old. What I'm seeing is that the Win. ammo, made by Olin was the worst. From what I've gathered so far, my best bet is the Hornady. I'll see if I can find a brick and hope they've mitigated the problem. Just glad it likely isn't the rifle itself. Thanks again Chuck !!
@@ricksoutdooradventures5250 Hornady I was getting sometimes 20 out of 50 cracked and shooting all over the place. Hornady told me that CCI makes ALL 17HMR brass, I guess they private label for the various MFGs. The dates on my 17hmr was from 2018.
Federal and cci are owned by vista outdoors but are not related, they operate in separate facilities and use different machines and manufacturing processes
I am having all these problems with mine. In your first post, the inference was headspace issues caused by the bolt handle becoming damaged where it met the bolt - thus affecting headspace. Is that issue completely eliminated and its just an ammunition problem ?
I have the same issue with mine sent it back to savage with the ammo that did not fire and split cases and they told me it was the ammo not the gun also got empty cases back.. So I contacted the ammo companies with pictures and they said it was the gun. Really like the 17 HMR but not fun to shoot a gun with misfires.
I just did QC of my stash of winchester 20 grn .17 hmr.(PIA) out of 200rds found 38 ea. had cracked case neck.used a 5x jewelers loupe..this is same ammo i had problem with bullets getting knocked back into case when trying to chamber a round during a varmit shoot..these were on sale,wonder why? no problems with Hornady,CCI..so far....
I'm curious what the turn around time was when you sent the rifle out to savage?? I'm having a problem with a new savage 93 minimalist. The magazine is wobbly and not sitting up high enough to chamber a round. Savage sent me a new mag and still the same issue. I bent the lips on the mag etc.. and I'm ready to just send it into them. Thanks for the video buddy!
I have a Savage Model 11 in .308 that I've been nothing but happy with. I just think there are a few areas on their rimfire designs that are flawed from the get go. From what I've found from folks after doing this video, the problems I'm still having are 100% ammo related.
Heavy barrel for accuracy. I don’t buy slim contour barreled rifles but that is my own thing. I have a Savage 17 HMR and it’s a tack driver. I have not had case split issues with mine. I may have been lucky with the ammo or blessed by the good Lord himself I couldn’t tell you. I personally will grab my little .17 and go check property and dispatch varmints with it before just about any rifle I have.
Thanks for watching! For me this is primarily a hunting gun. It gets carried for miles hunting squirrels on public land, which is one reason for the slim barrel. Makes for a nice lightweight package. I’m planning to do another video with it soon, as I’ve managed to get some new-production ammo that seems to have solved the problem. It’s driving tacks again, or at least emptying rodent’s cranial vaults with regularity.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist yep same issue with me, emailed savage told them my issues the sent me replacement mags ( which seam to run better), and I was still having the issues with Winchester, cci seemed to load fine, don't have any other ammo to try,
. CCI Ammunition loads all of the .17 HMR ammunition for the CCI, Federal Cartridge, Hornady, and Remington brands. However, the ammunition is loaded with different bullets to different specifications. Winchester ammunition is not loaded by CCI. That pretty much explains your problem or at least most of the problem. Most all of the split cases came from ammunition produced on the CCI assembly line. But, I believe (I'll have to watch your video again) you did have one or two Winchester split cases. Winchester ammunition is not produced on the CCI assembly line. So the problem may be a bit more completed than my CCI production ammunition theory. I have a Savage 93 (without accu trigger) In my safe. I purchased it new around 2003, maybe 2004. Unfortunately, I have never fired it. I am going to shoot my savage now that I have seen this video. I have several boxes of ammunition (all produced by CCI but with various brand names) in 15., 17, and 20-grain bullet weights. All are new unopened boxes. I am going to inspect all of my ammunition right now to see if I have any split cases. If I find any split cases I will immediately contact CCI. I emphatically recommend that you contact CCI too. Thanks for this informative video. It is unfortunate that you had to break this news to your viewers.
If you search using google you will find many people getting split necks with various guns and ammo. I truly believe it's the ammo not the gun. I would hold off selling that gun and wait till the shortage is over and buy some new ammo. It cannot be that many guns with issues.
The quality of ammo sucks…… look get you a bull barrel or better barrel for it and you will love the lil .17…… your split cases are ammo issues not the caliber and the qc will return after all this
Never actually. Never really thought about that with a rimfire, but I guess the .17 bullets do have copper, not sure if they’re jacketed or plated. That’s a good thought though. Maybe I’ll run some Sweets 7.62 through there and see if it tightens the groups up.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist i have total faith that if you give it a good scrubbing your groups will shrink. i do the same break in process for every rifle i have ever used that shoots a copper jacketed bullet. i can explain it to you if you wish but i can say that it works and my rifles have actually became more accurate after the break in process then they were out of the box.
I have a 93r17 and an A17 and I haven't had split cases yet up here in Canada the Windchester ammo is not as reliable as the rest for primer its the only brand that seems to have a couple of duds per box with the exception of federal's bulk bottles , I get sub moa out of both rifles , some ammo is dirty and the chamber should be cleaned thoroughly after a few hundred rounds or it can cause the case to stick and the extractor to slip off and fail to eject witch makes me wonder if a dirty chamber may cause a case not to seat fully giving room for the case to split
Better be glad your not shooting a high powered rifle the first split case you got would have ruined your entire week. The first split case you got you should have stopped shooting and sent it back to the factory or a gunsmith
That’s good info, thank you! I had suspected as much but it’s good to have confirmation. Wonder if they’ve fixed the issues with the necks. I have to think the problem lies in the ductility of this specific alloy.
As an addendum to the original issue of misfires. Many times with a new gun I will strip it down and re-lube everything. I did not do it with my 93 17hmr. I began getting light strikes and misfires. I thought to myself, SHIT! I have to send it back. Remembering I did not clean this gun I took the bolt out and soaked it in some light cleaner, then I re-lubed it with Ballistol. I took the 93HMR out yesterday, I shot 60 rounds without a misfire and what's more interesting, not a single cracked neck. The brass now is being struck really hard and the firing pin sounds more sharp when I pull the trigger.
Of course the 2 problems are totally separate issues.
If you have 17hmr ammo that has cracked necks get ahold of Hornady, they will make you step over a few obstacles but they will send you new ammo. I had 2,000 rounds and I was not going to shoot the stuff if it was going to crack.
A useful safety tip to remember is if you get a misfire of any kind ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS VISUALLY CHECK the bore is CLEAR before you load another round into the chamber. I was on the skeet range with a friend who had a misfire on his O/U 12 bore and he went to reload and i stopped him and made him check the barrel and sure enough there was the wad stuck about half way up the barrel. Remember the next guy who reloads without checking might be standing next to you
I agree! And I certainly would have, had I not inspected each time to make sure that the bullet remained on the cartridge.
Great video set.....I had split case problems with my Savage 917 VRX. No mis-fire issues, but lots of split cases. I was looking for a chambering/seating problem, but after watching both videos, I opened a sealed box of Winchester Varmit HV / 17 HMR / 17 Grain / 2550 FPS / Polymer Tip V-Max. 5 out of 10 "brand new" unfired cases had neck splits (faint but still there). It's DEFINITELY the Ammo !!! I feel better about the gun now, but the Ammo Manufacturers have some work to do !!!!! Thanks Again !!!! I think Chuck G found the answer below. Thanks Chuck !!
Always tough when a rifle you want to love just isn't consistent or reliable enough.
I just ordered this gun 3 days ago, I'm glad to have come across this video and the following discussion. I learned so much and would have been so disappointed and frustrated with the gun. The ammo at least has to be new stock with the improved neck that aren't cracked.
That seems to be the issue. Keep the bolt lockup well greased, use new ammo, and you should be fine. Most folks don't have any problems with them.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist I've now taken it to the range, zeroed in the scope, (Weaver 3-9 x 40) came with it. Took it out to 100 yards and am very very pleased with accuracy. I don't even want to shoot my 22lr any more. This gun makes me look like a professional sharpshooter. I only gave it a thorough cleaning before taken it out to the range. CCI V-Max 17HMR POLYMER TIP varmint 25500 fps.
Kcrunchymunch oh it’ll spoil you for sure!
@@Kcrunchymunch When my Savage 17hmr. was new the accuracy was nearly one hole at 50 yards with most brands of ammo, through either wear or use it has become mediocre at best. See my post on head space...
Thanks for posting. I have a 93R17. Although it was purchased 7 years ago, I fired it for the first time yesterday (4/23/2021). I had all the same problems you describe plus one. I had several misfires and simply ejected them and fired the next. However, I had a misfire on my second to last shot. I cycled the bolt (keeping my cheek weld). The misfired round ejected and the next round fed just fine. On the last pull of the trigger the gun literally "blew up." Blew the bottom of the magazine out as well as blowing the whole magazine out of the well along with the bottom metal taking the stripped screws with it. The stock split top to bottom from the forearm back through the pistol grip. Upon inspection of the ejected round I discovered the bullet was missing but the case was still full of powder. So, even though the round did not fire...(and I'm not talking about a light or "squib" load...I mean it did not ignite at all), for some reason the bullet must have remained in the chamber and the next round fed right in behind it. After watching your videos I inspected my fired brass as well as remaining ammo. Out of 15 fired rounds 12 of them are split. So far I have found several split cases in the unfired ammo as well. I thought about sending the rifle to Savage and I thought about just buying another rifle but in the end, Like you, I have decided the .17 HMR is not for me. I'll find other toys to play with.
I’d say send it in to Savage to have repaired or replaced. Then at least you have something to sell.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist I sent my rifle to Savage. It was about a 5 week wait but they repaired it and returned it to me free of charge. However, there was no paperwork at all describing what they did. It does seem like the bolt is a bit tighter on lock up than it was. I also contacted Hornady and spoke to a very nice, knowledgeable rep about the ammo. I told him the lot# and he said that the ammo was manufactured in 2003 (18 years old!) and that Hornady's warranty, even though the best in the industry, is only 10 years. I said I didn't see how that was possible because the shop I purchased it from wasn't even in business until 2009..He suggested maybe they took the ammo in on a trade or maybe a distributor sent them some old ammo but, in any case, the lot numbers don't lie. He explained that CCI produces all the.17 HMR brass for all the ammo manufacturers and the split cases were a well known problem. As you know the 17 is made by neck sizing 22 mag brass. This neck sizing work hardens the brass. The problem is that the sizing is done AFTER the priming mixture is in place so, therefore, the brass cannot be annealed because of the heat required. Forgive me for not remembering all the details but he said that at some point (I think he said after 2009) CCI did come up with a process of softening the brass to try and eliminate the problem. Even so the brass can harden over time no matter how it's stored so he recommended checking every round for cracks. He said the easy way he does this is by simply pressing the bullet tip of each cartridge against a table before loading it. If the bullet slides back into the case, you know the neck is split. Anyway, he said that since I had no way of knowing how old the ammo was when I bought it, to send it to them and they would replace it, which they did. I have since fired 100 rounds of the new ammo with not a single split neck and with greatly improved accuracy. I had several older boxes of ammo from other manufactures which I disposed of. I have since purchased a Boyd's AT-One stock for the 93R17 and absolutely love it!
Thank you so much for the information, I really appreciate it! I’ll try to find some new ammo and try again.
I had this exact same issue with a Browning T bolt. Gun is f****d, I however was fine thankfully. I’m in the uk and the ammo issue is the same, there has been a real bad lot from the factory that makes most 17 rounds, and it is not down to the gun, it’s poor ammo. I was told by the range guys that it has been common, and the necks split (before firing) which can allow the powder to get damp and not burn. The primer is enough to puff the light bullet out just far enough to enable the shooter to chamber another, then bang. There are warning signs, a click or small puff sound rather than the 17 crack as it goes supersonic, but if your on a busy range with .308’s next to you it can be hard to decipher which bangs are from which trigger pull. 🤔
Glad you were ok, it’s good Savage fixed the gun, I was told by a couple of gunsmiths that my Browning was not economically worth repairing.
I had the same issue with a new batch of 2K Hornady 17 grain rounds. I contacted hornady and they are on it. Apparantly they will exchange, but they for sure know about it.
You must know someone at Savage. Just sent my 93 b17 hmr in for no fire. Bolt and receiver worn after 100 rds. Too much head space. They won't do anything to fix it. Very unhappy with Savage.
Getting cracked cases with my Lithgow. 17 HMR too. Using various brands, will check the spent brass to see which ones do it the most.
I had a bunch of Hornaday misfires that the bullet ended up in the barrel the first time that happened I wasn’t aware of it and I had it explode and blew up my magazine. It doesn’t even make a noise when it misfires Hornaday replaced ammunition gave me a new breck.
I have the same rifle, stainless, left hand with thumb hole stock. It started out as a tack driver and with use had extraction problems, severely split cases and poor accuracy. The ammo I agree is a major problem but when the rifle went from good to bad my findings differ. I took the fired case's to work and used a comparator to see the difference between fired and new, the deformation was very pronounced and my conclusion is head spacing from worn lock up surface. I will also sell and or trade up on the rifle, very disappointed with Savage and an almost universal problem with this product.
Yeah that pew-pew would stay in the cabinet when I went squirrel hunting. I want confidence that my 1.00" size target (squirrel head with 1/2" wiggle room) is whacked to a hundred.
I found out from Hornady what the real problem is. CCI makes ALL the 17hmr brass. When they make the brass they begin with 22 mag brass, they insert the ignition compound - then they neck the case down, at that point after neck sizing they cannot anneal the cases. Because the cases are worked and without them being able to anneal them you end up with cracks.
I had 1,200 rounds, shot like crap, 20 out of each 50 were cracked. I sent the 1,200 to hornady, 5 weeks later I got them exchanged for newer stuff. I took two boxes of 50 and ended up with zero splits. Now I need to get out and shoot some.
Thanks for the comment! Maybe I’ll do the same.
Chuck I truely believe YOU found the answer. Those necks are all weak and pressing the bullet just stresses 'em. Cracks were found in my "New" unfired ammo. Thanks !!!
@@ricksoutdooradventures5250 Was it newly manufactured? I have a feeling Hornaday is checking the necks on the ammo now. Imagine what this has cost them. This problem is all over the net.
@@BarryB382 Nope, it was 3-4 years old. What I'm seeing is that the Win. ammo, made by Olin was the worst. From what I've gathered so far, my best bet is the Hornady. I'll see if I can find a brick and hope they've mitigated the problem. Just glad it likely isn't the rifle itself. Thanks again Chuck !!
@@ricksoutdooradventures5250 Hornady I was getting sometimes 20 out of 50 cracked and shooting all over the place. Hornady told me that CCI makes ALL 17HMR brass, I guess they private label for the various MFGs. The dates on my 17hmr was from 2018.
I guess the primer dispensor will not fit in the 17 case mouth?
So new machinery or start with really soft brass
Federal and cci are owned by vista outdoors but are not related, they operate in separate facilities and use different machines and manufacturing processes
I am having all these problems with mine.
In your first post, the inference was headspace issues caused by the bolt handle becoming damaged where it met the bolt - thus affecting headspace.
Is that issue completely eliminated and its just an ammunition problem ?
I have the same issue with mine sent it back to savage with the ammo that did not fire and split cases and they told me it was the ammo not the gun also got empty cases back.. So I contacted the ammo companies with pictures and they said it was the gun. Really like the 17 HMR but not fun to shoot a gun with misfires.
I just did QC of my stash of winchester 20 grn .17 hmr.(PIA) out of 200rds found 38 ea. had cracked case neck.used a 5x jewelers loupe..this is same ammo i had problem with bullets getting knocked back into case when trying to chamber a round during a varmit shoot..these were on sale,wonder why? no problems with Hornady,CCI..so far....
Where do you get those targets and how far out are you shooting it?
I'm curious what the turn around time was when you sent the rifle out to savage??
I'm having a problem with a new savage 93 minimalist. The magazine is wobbly and not sitting up high enough to chamber a round. Savage sent me a new mag and still the same issue. I bent the lips on the mag etc.. and I'm ready to just send it into them.
Thanks for the video buddy!
About two weeks, if I remember correctly.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist cool thank you for the quick response!
Why do I always hear " my gun is at Savage and I hope its fixed when I get it back ?"
I have a Savage Model 11 in .308 that I've been nothing but happy with. I just think there are a few areas on their rimfire designs that are flawed from the get go. From what I've found from folks after doing this video, the problems I'm still having are 100% ammo related.
Heavy barrel for accuracy. I don’t buy slim contour barreled rifles but that is my own thing. I have a Savage 17 HMR and it’s a tack driver. I have not had case split issues with mine. I may have been lucky with the ammo or blessed by the good Lord himself I couldn’t tell you. I personally will grab my little .17 and go check property and dispatch varmints with it before just about any rifle I have.
Thanks for watching! For me this is primarily a hunting gun. It gets carried for miles hunting squirrels on public land, which is one reason for the slim barrel. Makes for a nice lightweight package. I’m planning to do another video with it soon, as I’ve managed to get some new-production ammo that seems to have solved the problem. It’s driving tacks again, or at least emptying rodent’s cranial vaults with regularity.
Have you ever had feeding issues with the 10 rounds Mags?
Yep I have. It’s been a while since I used it, but seems like the top round wanted to nose dip and jam against the front of the mag body.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist yep same issue with me, emailed savage told them my issues the sent me replacement mags ( which seam to run better), and I was still having the issues with Winchester, cci seemed to load fine, don't have any other ammo to try,
. CCI Ammunition loads all of the .17 HMR ammunition for the CCI, Federal Cartridge, Hornady, and Remington brands. However, the ammunition is loaded with different bullets to different specifications. Winchester ammunition is not loaded by CCI. That pretty much explains your problem or at least most of the problem. Most all of the split cases came from ammunition produced on the CCI assembly line. But, I believe (I'll have to watch your video again) you did have one or two Winchester split cases. Winchester ammunition is not produced on the CCI assembly line. So the problem may be a bit more completed than my CCI production ammunition theory. I have a Savage 93 (without accu trigger) In my safe. I purchased it new around 2003, maybe 2004. Unfortunately, I have never fired it. I am going to shoot my savage now that I have seen this video. I have several boxes of ammunition (all produced by CCI but with various brand names) in 15., 17, and 20-grain bullet weights. All are new unopened boxes. I am going to inspect all of my ammunition right now to see if I have any split cases. If I find any split cases I will immediately contact CCI. I emphatically recommend that you contact CCI too. Thanks for this informative video. It is unfortunate that you had to break this news to your viewers.
If you search using google you will find many people getting split necks with various guns and ammo. I truly believe it's the ammo not the gun. I would hold off selling that gun and wait till the shortage is over and buy some new ammo. It cannot be that many guns with issues.
Think this is the answer I’ve settled on. I’ll wait and see. The gun wouldn’t be worth much resale anyway.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist If you do a search on google (if you have not already done so) you will find lots of people with the same complaint.
The quality of ammo sucks…… look get you a bull barrel or better barrel for it and you will love the lil .17…… your split cases are ammo issues not the caliber and the qc will return after all this
agree get a bull barrel
For accuracy? Or for case splitting?
maybe try some remington 17hmr ammo I have not had any problems with it yet
I’ll give it a try if I can find it, thanks!
just wanted to how often you clean the the rifle to remove copper fouling?
Never actually. Never really thought about that with a rimfire, but I guess the .17 bullets do have copper, not sure if they’re jacketed or plated. That’s a good thought though. Maybe I’ll run some Sweets 7.62 through there and see if it tightens the groups up.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist every bullet i have ever seen from a .17 has been of a cup and core design
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist i have total faith that if you give it a good scrubbing your groups will shrink. i do the same break in process for every rifle i have ever used that shoots a copper jacketed bullet. i can explain it to you if you wish but i can say that it works and my rifles have actually became more accurate after the break in process then they were out of the box.
Thanks, I’ll give it a try!
I have a 93r17 and an A17 and I haven't had split cases yet up here in Canada the Windchester ammo is not as reliable as the rest for primer its the only brand that seems to have a couple of duds per box with the exception of federal's bulk bottles , I get sub moa out of both rifles , some ammo is dirty and the chamber should be cleaned thoroughly after a few hundred rounds or it can cause the case to stick and the extractor to slip off and fail to eject witch makes me wonder if a dirty chamber may cause a case not to seat fully giving room for the case to split
just find some good ammo before you give up
Better be glad your not shooting a high powered rifle the first split case you got would have ruined your entire week. The first split case you got you should have stopped shooting and sent it back to the factory or a gunsmith
Split case issue wasn’t the rifle, it’s the ammo. See follow-up video.
All .17 Hmr ammo is made in the same factory on the same line by cci, have a read of this link www.shootforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16802
That’s good info, thank you! I had suspected as much but it’s good to have confirmation. Wonder if they’ve fixed the issues with the necks. I have to think the problem lies in the ductility of this specific alloy.