I have the Kraig 1898. I Reload with 165gr. bullets According to a 1960s' Hornady handbook, it pushes @ about 2400fps with 38.6grs. of Dupont IMR 4320 powder. Speer or Sierra projectiles. I don't use the 180gr hunting bullet. I hope to keep the pressures down. At 100 yards, with reloads on rest, I could hit a pint whiskey bottle (empty of course) with open sights. I was 40 years younger then!
This is the best and thorough presentation of Krag Jørgensen I've ever watched. Great job! I have been a member of the National Rifle Association of Norway ("Det Frivillige Skyttervesen") since in 1984 (13 years old). From as early as 1902 Krag-Jørgensen was the standard rifle until was replace by Sig Sauer 200 STR as late as in 1990. It is still an approved weapon in competition. I bought my first "Krag" - as we call them for short - when I was 16 years old and I have shot 10th thousands of rounds with Krag. It is a bit misleading to call them Krag because the barrels, stock, trigger and sight (diopter) was replaced, but the bolt and magazine was original. The barrel was replaced after approximately 10,000 rounds. The reason Krag used for that long is because it's very fast and smooth and it almost never jammed, but also for historical reasons. My Krag was built in 1908 and a lot of the Krag's was as old as 80-100 years when they was gradually were replaced by Sig Sauer from 1990. You talked about the locking lugs and that they were a weakness, which I can confirm. First of all, it was not allowed to load cartridges with a higher muzzle speed than 810 m/s (if I remember correctly), but I usually loaded them for 760 m/s. The reason we didn't wanted to load them with higher velocity was because of the locking lugs had what we call 3 and 6 position which mean that they are asymmetrical and one lug was positioned down to the right. This had the unfortunately effect that the impact point went up and to the left if the cartridges became wet (rain) and the friction between the case and the chamber became lower. That's why most of us used Mauser during field shooting when we didn't have a roof to protect the cartridges and weapon from rain. Again, thank you very much for this presentation of history of Krag-Jørgensen in the USA. Very interesting! Greetings from Norway!
There are more Norse Krags in the US than Norway these days...Still they're very hard to find. I've owned 4. 3 were 1912 carbines. Personally I love them. Every one I've ever seen had a terrible bore...Your service ammunition must have been pretty corrosive. Norse Krags are a bit stronger as they have 2 bearing surfaces. I shot standard swedish service ammo in mine and duplicates w reloader 22. Really slick guns overall. I once saw a norse krag rebarreled into 308 and sporterized. (Nicely done by a professional shop in Canada). The fellow who had it said he never had issues with factory hunting loads. Must have been strong enough to handle 308 as it was obvious it had some use from finish wear. Not saying I'd build one, only that I have seen it done.
@@cs-rj8ru the word norse is for old scandinava when the people used to be vikings and such, so calling it a norse krag is a bit silly. Its a Norwegian krag, Norway wasn't a country during the norse age
@@MNM-lq9te to be fair to history, Sweden wasn't a single country either in the migration and 'dark ages' prior to the middle ages, until forced to unite in face of Danish interference with the various lines of succession in the three-ish kingdoms that became Sweden XD
The wet cartridges that shifts the impact is only true for the DFS Krags, military Krags didnt have this problem, because the front and rea sight were both on the barrel
Years ago I wandered into a small museum on the Eastern Shor of Maryland. One of the displays was a photo of "Maryland Naval Militia" circa early 1942. The sailors were assigned to walking beach patrols to ensure that the Germans did not land agents along the coast from U-boats. Everyone in the picture was armed with a Krag. So these things hung on in secondary roles for a long, long time.
Deathnotekeeper Had they really thought things through the would have gone with the Navy Lee 6mm. Personally I think the M1917 is far better than either the Krag or M1903..
You're not alone, but the Krag and Springfield were the top of the ticket for a major nation-defining war each with the Springfield as a major supporting character for another. The 1917 was second fiddle for the first world war and didn't even make the cut for the 2nd. No matter how many were produced, appearances matter nearly as much as (often more than, unfortunately) facts, especially nowadays
How you didn't sprain your elbow moving rifles up and down, off the table all episode playing musical rifles, I will never know.... My God, that was convoluted! You guys nailed it though. As if you wouldn't...... Great job.
Any day of the week, my friend. Wait,...... What tartan is it?....... Don't say it's MacIntosh,..... I can't stand MacIntosh..... Please don't be MacIntosh.... or that yellow McLeod tartan....
I know I'm just a third party involved in this... But I can't help Fanboy/geeking out seeing two of my top ten channels interacting. That said, I'd agree that McLeod yellow is a better pick.
My grandfather left me his “moose gun” as he used to call it. I found out a few years ago it is a Krag Jorgensen....thank you so much for all of the amazing information.
Ah nice, an hour and 46 minutes of Othias' calming voice to talk me to sleep. Yes I listen to these to go to sleep, then usually rewatch in the morning.
This is my idea of heaven! Home after a hard day at work, boots off, baby asleep, wife reading her book , two new videos from my favourite UA-camrs and it’s on my favourite US rifle of all time ! Life is good! 🙂
1:29:43 "...as complete a story as you are going to get For Now." Single-item documentary with minuscule staffing and budget. Longer and more detailed than most well-staffed and well-funded 'professional' documentaries. Bravo, team, Bravo!
I have followed your channel for over a year, and have gone back and watched every episode you did prior to my watching. I realized tonight a couple of things. I love the personal chemistry you two have together. May dresses exactly like my late wife did, and wears the same style of glasses she did. I look at your love of history, and your love of firearms, and I see my wife and I 30 years ago. The fact you ride motorcycles, and my wife and I met at a motorcycle event only strengthens that feeling. Keep up the good work. I pray for your continued happiness. Love and Respect.
I am 80 years old, and got a number of deer with my father's 30.40 as a youngster. It was a sporterised gun, but dad finally had the barrel shortened because it was to long. It was a good big game gun, except for the drop at distance. Thank you for this video. It brought back a lot of memories.
This was a really deep dive into Krag history, I learned a lot. As to Mae's hiccup with loading the round that hung up, the answer, roundnose bullets; the Krag doesn't always play well with spitzers in a few places and she found that one . Outstanding video.
I recently bought an 1898 Krag a couple months ago. I fell in love with it from the moment I handled it in the gun shop. Such a fun gun to shoot! Thanks for doing this review, I've been trying to read up more on the history of these guns and this video made my night!
Same story here. Fell in love with it the moment I handled it at the store but had to walk away because I couldn't afford it. I thought I'd never see it again until this Christmas when that very same gun was gifted to me with an accompanying repro WWI leather cartridge pouch. needless to say I've been a very happy person for the past few days. The flag is too tall for my guncase too.
@@mountainbriarfarm5030 I also have a 30-40 Kraig . It first belonged to my Grandfather who passed away in 1960 at 80 years old. My father then used it for deer till I was 15 , then he gave it to me. I’ve hunted deer with it ever since. I’ve taken 20 bucks with it and I have no idea how many does,foxes and coyotes with it. This last November after 10 years of not hunting do to work, I dropped a 220 pound 9 point with a 22 inch spread at 80 yards through thick brush in his tracks. I’m 65 years old and hope it made my Dad smile down on me and say, good job my son.
General Flagler is amazing, hes still alive and well at 184 years young in 2019 and won't pass away for 16,980 years....only Othias would know events yet to happen yet, so I trust these numbers
I do appreciate that mae demonstrates the safety, the magazine cut off, and all the small things. Makes it more entertaining and better for learning about the rifles and firearms completely.
Yet another great video! I hate to say it though General Daniel Flagler didn't die. according to the video he is still quite alive and not expected to die for a few thousand years. 1835- 18999.
Othias, I don't know why you keep apologizing for the "long video". I certainly hope you understand that we really appreciate the depth of your research, and for many of us, it is why we are here! The arms history that you present can not be found easily in any other single place. Keep them coming and you'll keep us coming back!
Technically Spanish don't qualify as Hispanics in this enlightened age, they are simply White, and Philippinos are not Native Americians. they fought back quite effectively.
Amen. And Filipinos and assorted yellow men. And bangin they wimmins. Actually the Spanish riflemen shot the hell out of our guys with their Mausers. As a result, Teddy was insistent upon a better and more powerful rifle for the US military...
Watching this had me in stitches....I've never seen such a long, convoluted process of constant change, missteps and strange decisions. Absolutely wonderful episode!
Scott Boyd there were Springfield 1903 rifles used by the US trained FAL (Laotian Armed Forces) in Vietnam. (Though I believe only for training purposes).
The 1st rifle I was taught to hunt with was the 30-40 Krag that my great grandfather brought back from WW1 and a 30-6 Springfield as well. He shipped both guns to Idaho, in 1919 the Krag was still in its original form when I hunted Dear and even Elk with it (got my 1st Bull Elk with the 30-40) The Krag was stolen from his truck in 1973 and until that day I had never seen him cry, it was like he lost a good friend.
@Furgy Out of curiosity, do you happen to know the serial number of that Krag your great-grandfather had that was stolen? Because, with a rifle like that... It might just pop up again. I mean, yeah, it's a long shot, but can you imagine how awesome it would be if you could track it down and get reunited with that rifle? Of course, I'm guessing that your great-grandfather is no longer with us given the amount of time that has passed, so it probably won't give closure to him, but... I'm sure he would've wanted you to have the rifle anyways, and it would be something to remember him by. Also, if you check out milsurp and curio & relic forums and whatnot and put a word out about your Krag... You never know. Maybe someone bought it at some point in a face-to-face in the 1980s or something and has no idea it was stolen.
As an amateur gun enthusiast and collector (my collection is comprised of sole 1899 krag carbine) this video has made me so happy it’s hard to describe. I️’m only a senior in highschool and my krag is my prized possession, so to see such a long video on it is just the best. Thank you so much Mae and Othais and everyone at C&Rsenal!
Mitchel Loughman Wow similar story here. I have a sporterized 1898 Krag and it's my rarest gun by far. I have a Yugo M48 and a sporterized 1917 Enfield. Once you start, you really don't want to stop. As soon as I turn 21 I'm getting a Curios and Relics FFL.
Greetings from Norway! I still have the Krag my great-great grandfather brought home from whaling in the southern atlantic! Manufactured 1910, 6.5x55mm, long infantry version. I still take it to the range sometimes, (reduced loads, of course) and it shoots like a dream! Can even compete with pretty expensive modern hunting rifles presicion-wise. It throws the hit point up and to the left if the cartridges get wet, but that can be remedied. Love that rifle!
There is one thing not mentioned here: This system give the soldier the ability to leave a panic round in the chamber while loading. This rifle stayed in use In the Norwegian army all the way up to 1940, when it was used for the 63 days of war with Germany. The Germans came with Mausers, while the Norwegians picked them off with Krags before the germans could hit the Norwegians. 1,317 Germens where KIA, while 1,604 was wounded. Although the Norwegians also used Kongsberg Colt 1911, Madsen machine-guns and Colt mitraljøse m/29 (Browning M1917), the Krag was the main gun in the Norwegian army, and was credited with a high number of long range head shots. After the fall of Norway in 1940, many German 2. line units where equipped with Norwegian Krag-Jørgensen, and Norwegian shooting clubs would use it for competition well in to the 1990ies.
Krag truly is an amazing piece of history. I own a Norwegian 1894 Krag, it's really smooth and fast, especially when you use the Norwegian speed-loaders. Note for those of you having Norwegian rifles, don't use modern ammunition in these. Rifles are getting old, and there has been done tests that show modern loads might damage the rifle and in worst case explode in your face. Other than that it's a great rifle
Hey, I was tuned on to your channel by Forgotten Weapons, and really enjoy your vids. They are long, but not boring and full of info... Thanks for your wonderful efforts!
This is a wonderful series on WWI small arms. Your research and presentation is amazing. And what a wonderful addition to have Mae complement the whole thing with a rifle-woman's perspective. From your closeups to animations to range action, the production quality is extraordinary. And I love your sense of humor. Our family history is that my uncle had been able to find, through serial numbers, my grandfather's (his father's) WWI rifle while my grandfather was alive. It was acquired through the local veteran's association. The gun in our possession is a 1898 Krag. They shot it regularly. Anyway, Pop was AEF 37th Div, 1st Battalion, 146th Infantry, Company A which fought in the Meuse Argonne. He once told me how everyone in his trench except he and a buddy were killed by a mortar shell when they "went over the top" Sept 26 1918 at zero hour. He said it knocked him back into the trench like a rag doll and his buddy on top of him. Another of his grandsons once told him he was wrong and his service rifle wasn't a Krag. Pop humored him. That's not to say he was using the Krag at Muese Argonne and perhaps he used it in training. We won't ever know but since you brought the topic up, I thought I'd add his story to your collection of accounts. After watching your series, I now have an appreciation for Pop's Krag and, for that matter, my uncle's M1A (he is a Vietnam era veteran). It's a good thing you are doing with these productions.
What a great video. I recently inherited the model 1898 and when looking for more information, I stumbled upon this video. Thank you for your time and effort sharing all the history and evolution of this weapon. Very interesting indeed.
I initially tried to watch your Pedersen Device video but ended up here by heeding your advice. I haven't watched one of your videos in a while, but I'm happy to be back. I love the structure of your videos and all the information you provide in an engaging but at the same time holistically thorough manner. Every time I watch one of these videos I leave satisfied with answers to questions I did not know I had, as well as various starting points to conduct my own research. I am happy to have subscribed to your channel, I hope that there are many more videos to come even after World War One (Although I think the current pace is more than sufficient). Keep up the good work!
I appreciate the background and the details you go through. I have a sentimental interest in this gun because of my great granduncle Jeremiah, my paternal grandmother's uncle, was not only the first of my Irish relatives to become an American citizen that I know of, but he was the one who inspired my grandmother to emigrate at the end of the Irish Civil War in the early 1920's. Uncle Jerry joined the American Army Infantry in the 1880's, served on the Great Plains, and continued his service through the Spanish American War of 1898 and the subsequent Phillipine Insurrection. He almost certainly used the rifle in that period though he probably used the .45-70 earlier in his service and for a longer period. All of us have copies of his service and pension certificates and his citizenship. If you're thinking Jeremiah is an odd name for a Cork Irish Catholic, he and my great grandfather were nephews of the great Irish Fenian Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa who he was named after. If you know Irish history, you know the name and what it means. If not, and you're somehow interested, Rossa has a halfway decent Wikipedia article and some biographies. Some of his books are also in reprints. In any case, I'm sentimental about this gun.
Wow! I've been looking forward to this one and it did not disappoint!Thank you,Othais and Mae and all who helped put this together.My Norwegian lineage has given me a fascination with this.The pros and cons of it as a battle rifle aside,they are unique and a pleasure to shoot-especially in its 6.5X55 version.My favorite is the Norwegian M1912/22 carbine.Thanks again and my poster order is in.:)
According to the original owner of the 1898 Krag in our local museum in Donna, Texas, the Krag was issued to railway engineers and train crews that were shuttling supplies to the front. This gentleman was a member of one of those train crews.
Apparently, in 1899 the world record elk at the time was killed near Crested Butte by John Plute with his .30-40 Krag. The antlers were kept until 1960 when they were finally measured and pronounced the new world record in 1961, a title which has only recently been re-taken by another elk from Arizona. I really enjoyed this episode because the smokeless powder, repeating rifle revolution was an exciting moment in history. I'm really looking forward to the next episode.
Hey, I've talked to you on Reddit before and I just wanted to come here to say that I appreciate these documentary length videos on lesser known rifles, I'm looking into supporting you guys on Patreon again once I have finances sorted out.
Mae was sooo cute in this episode! Without her glasses we got to see those beautiful eyes. And her hint of tentative nervousness was very endearing. Now...of course she's a consummate pro. Othais...ever the pro with that perfectly pruned beard. Thank you guys for all the great content!
Bravo, Othais! This was an epic episode. I'm continuously gobsmacked by the research, preparation and delivery of your productions. I've been remiss in not saying so recently but this one put me over the top. I'm in for as long as you want to do them.
Insomnia is fictional. Youre trying to figure out how to [escape] your enslavement. What weapons you have? Slaves have put my name on a harbor, parkway and many streets near me and have an abandoned building we can try to make weapon systems in.
I have an 1898 Carbine that I found in a trash can while I was a student at Brigham Young University in the 1960's. We were cutting grass in a married student housing area at the end of the school year. I spotted the rifle sticking out of a trash can and jumped off of my mower and grabbed it. There was no bolt. It was probably down in the trash can but I did not search for it. The rifle was covered in rust but I kept it. years later in South Carolina I found a bolt at a gun show. I have cleaned the rifle up and blued it. It also fires well with no problems. Ammunition has become so expensive that I will no longer fire it. I'm holding on to the few rounds I have for it. I noticed on your video that I have the rear sight mounted backwards. I will change that.
I love that he does a 100 minute video on a gun that probably wasn’t used in the war outside of a small number of possible engagements??? I’m always game to nerd out over some world history especially if firearms can be fit into it!!!
I missed this video for some reason. Better late than never. I enjoyed every second of this almost 2 hours, maybe just because the Krag is my favorite bolt gun (need to get myself one someday). Thanks friends.
Thank you for the history. I recently purchased a beautifully sporterized 1898 after loving my great grandfathers one my parents have been the caretakers of. I haven't even fired mine yet and am about to clean it for the first time. 120 years old and smooth as silk running that bolt.
Another excellent history lesson! I have a Krag that belonged to a WW1 veteran. It's an 1898 with the Buffington sight. He also worked in a bank during the gangster era of the 20's and 30's. Some time ago I read that the government provided some banks with surplus Krags during that time for defense against robberies. I was unable to ask him the history of his Krag sadly. Concerning the strength of the Krag action: P.O. Ackley's 1962 book, "Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders Vol. 2." opens with a chapter on his tests of surplus actions including the Enfield, Mauser, Springfield, Arisaka and the Krag. He gradually increased the powder charges until the actions failed. He writes, "The two Krags tested were also a surprise.....the action took a tremendous amount of pressure before it gave way. I fact it apparently took as much as some of the more modern actions." Keep up the great work!
Matthew Shermer A lot of the early Krags were sporterized by just cutting down infantry models to carbine length, and then set in carbine stocks. Those guns actually aren't too bad, especially since they were justifiably sporterized. Mine was a Depression era gun done by the NRA and sold so people could hunt for cheap. But no, I agree with you. It sucks to see Krags that were sporterized after the Depression
"I shed a year" You've discovered the secret to eternal youth? Gun shows? Do a few laps of the gun show and leave twenty years younger? You lucky bastard. I just leave poorer.
Definitely hitting your rhythm with your camera presentation now, getting very polished. Very nice pace. So enjoying these videos, they have supplanted 'Forgotten Weapons' as my 'go to' watch on UA-cam. Thanks for all the hard work.
i dont know whats more impressive, the fact that flagler will live for another ten thousand years, or the fact that he's already decided on what year he's going to give up the ghost
I just picked up a 1902 Krag. I thoroughly enjoy all your videos and Mar’s comments. Thanks so much for providing us college like courses in gun history.
"Civilize 'em With a Krag!" A little information on the offensive song mentioned in the notes below: President McKinley had announced that it would be America's mission to "civilize, Christianize, and uplift" the Filipinos, not realizing that had been Christian for 400 years already. But that's why the soldiers were talking about "civilizing" them. I understand the song was actually banned by the U.S. Army. The tune is from a well known Civil War song, Tramp, Tramp, Tramp the Boys are Marching." In that land of dopey dreams, peaceful, happy Philippines` Where the bolo man is lurking night and day; Where Tagolos steal and lie; where Americanos die, There you hear the soldier sing this evening lay: Damn, damn, damn the Filipinos: Cross-eyed kakiak ladrones. Underneath our starry flag civilize 'em with a Krag, And return us to our own beloved homes. There's a second verse I don't remember, "Underneath the nipi thatch..." but you can Google it. Again, the song was actually banned by the U.S. Army, because the Filipinos ended up becoming some of the best friends the Americans ever had.
My grandfather had one of the Stomperud 6.5x55 models. Its now hanging on my cousins memory wall in our grandfathers honor. He used it alot in competitions
As the proud owner of a United States Magazine Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1898 just like the one in the video, I salute you for the excellent job you did telling its story and the very fair evaluation Mae gave it at the end. Whatever its shortcomings as a military arm, the Krag is an excellent recreational rifle. There is really only one problem with it: you can't find commercially-produced ammunition, and when you do, it's painfully expensive. I should also add that when handling a Krag, you may feel a sudden strong compulsion to liberate Cuba and annex the Phillipines. :-)
You know, you can use mosin nagant stripper clips with this rifle, and no I’m not talking about loading it from the top. You can carry 30/40 in mosin clips and open it up and put it into the side and it loads waaaaaaaay faster than hand loading 1x1
My father in law told me when his grandfathers unit of the North Dakota ANG was mustered in and showed up for federal service in 1917- they were still carrying 1884 trapdoors.
There are three constants when watching these episodes..And the lack of any of them would make me feel like I have the wrong channel..1, "Hi I'm Othais, 2. War were declared, and 3 Maes beautiful smile when she finishes shooting..Keep it up Thank you..
Allegedly, the only American Engineer outfit to help fight Kaiserschlacht was armed with Krags. Regardless of what they were armed with, their action was successful and blunted the attack in their sector. I think I read it in either "First Over There" or "With Their Bare Hands".
My first deer rifle was a krag and I never saw the magazine as a problem with loading , never had a jam or an issue loading and shooting it . Smoothest bolt I've ever worked , great rifle !
Well this has been the longest, most "detailed" and head aching episode. It was a well done video and I knew that the krag was a disaster but I learned new things. The final product is always worth the wait.
Alexandru Ianu the Winchester 1907 video covers it but suffice to say, no select fire 1907 rifles were ever made by Winchester (the notion that they existed was most likely from an error during interpretation).
A feature length movie on the Krag, awesome! I love this rifle. Thank you for putting so much work into this. I am dragging my 1898 Krag with the 1902 sight out to the range soon.
Logan Barnette That’s almost the only thing that the US army kept up to date, the rest of military hardly advanced at all until just before WWII. I remember reading of a young man who fled from Belgium just after the blitz. Moving to America he was amazed by how old fashioned the army was compared to Germany and the UK.
I have always loved the Krag and had an opportunity to work on several after a fire swept through the Legion Club in a small town where I was serving as a police officer. They sold them at auction for 17 bucks each with some wood and 12 bucks for those that the wood had burned completely. The guns were, of course used for burials, so had been chrome plated making them quite a sight. My boss bought one with nearly complete wood, except for some charring near the muzzle end. I cleaned the gun for him, and butchered the stock down to a useful point making the gun look almost like a sporter. He didn't like that big tab on the magazine, so I removed most of it, and cut checkering in the top with a file it came out looking very nice indeed. A gun dealer in the town purchased all the 12 dollar ones and sold them on Shotgun News as Barreled actions for 75 bucks each, they were gone in a day. I think I would have been quite afraid of firing any of those where the stock was completely burned because the fire would have changed the temper on the steel and left the guns in a weakened condition, but from what I could tell the ones with no damage to the stock near the action should have been safe. My boss, the Chief of Police used the one I fixed up for him to take three deer while I was there,and the old war horse performed like a new rifle. Another thing that has bothered me about the Krag - I am a Hogan's Heroes fan, and watch at least one episode every night, Schultz almost always is armed with a Krag, and from all appearances it is one made by the US Springfield Armory, not one from Norway. While I realize that this is a work of fiction, it still bothers me watching this on the boob tube. I saw one where it appeared Schultz was armed with an ancient machine gun based on the Borchart design. Wonder where the Studio's went for their props?
@@treyriver5676 The ancient Chinese beg to differ. It's probably not actually true, but according to popular memory they got bureaucracy right. The secret is eunuchs.
Nice video! Would love to see a dedicated video on the other countries Krags (Given that you actually own these). Never seen a propper YT gun channel discuss the Norwegian or danish Krags, or review the gun and actually shooting them.
I love my 1894 Krag, it was the centerfire rifle I grew up on. My Grandfather got it for $1.50 from the Government. It is the sweetest handling rifle I have, I have had many dozens of rifles over the years, both commercial and military. I find it to be easy to load, simply open the loading gate, drop in 5 rounds, and snap it closed.
Mae & Othais Would you rather go to war with a American Krag, Norwegian Krag, or Danish Krag? Or other rifles of the early 1890s that saw use in WW1 like the Lee Metford, Mosin Nagant, Carcano, or Lee Paris?
Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. I still have over 16,000 years to go! That Krag gun sure was something.
Excuse me General Flagler Sir by your leave may I ask if you are related to Mr Henry Flagler of Florida ?
Mark Twain.
I have the Kraig 1898. I Reload with 165gr. bullets According to a 1960s' Hornady handbook, it pushes @ about 2400fps with 38.6grs. of Dupont IMR 4320 powder. Speer or Sierra projectiles. I don't use the 180gr hunting bullet. I hope to keep the pressures down. At 100 yards, with reloads on rest, I could hit a pint whiskey bottle (empty of course) with open sights. I was 40 years younger then!
Are you a Time Lord?
I came here looking for someone to comment on that 😂
This is the best and thorough presentation of Krag Jørgensen I've ever watched. Great job! I have been a member of the National Rifle Association of Norway ("Det Frivillige Skyttervesen") since in 1984 (13 years old). From as early as 1902 Krag-Jørgensen was the standard rifle until was replace by Sig Sauer 200 STR as late as in 1990. It is still an approved weapon in competition.
I bought my first "Krag" - as we call them for short - when I was 16 years old and I have shot 10th thousands of rounds with Krag. It is a bit misleading to call them Krag because the barrels, stock, trigger and sight (diopter) was replaced, but the bolt and magazine was original. The barrel was replaced after approximately 10,000 rounds.
The reason Krag used for that long is because it's very fast and smooth and it almost never jammed, but also for historical reasons. My Krag was built in 1908 and a lot of the Krag's was as old as 80-100 years when they was gradually were replaced by Sig Sauer from 1990.
You talked about the locking lugs and that they were a weakness, which I can confirm. First of all, it was not allowed to load cartridges with a higher muzzle speed than 810 m/s (if I remember correctly), but I usually loaded them for 760 m/s. The reason we didn't wanted to load them with higher velocity was because of the locking lugs had what we call 3 and 6 position which mean that they are asymmetrical and one lug was positioned down to the right. This had the unfortunately effect that the impact point went up and to the left if the cartridges became wet (rain) and the friction between the case and the chamber became lower. That's why most of us used Mauser during field shooting when we didn't have a roof to protect the cartridges and weapon from rain.
Again, thank you very much for this presentation of history of Krag-Jørgensen in the USA. Very interesting!
Greetings from Norway!
There are more Norse Krags in the US than Norway these days...Still they're very hard to find. I've owned 4. 3 were 1912 carbines. Personally I love them. Every one I've ever seen had a terrible bore...Your service ammunition must have been pretty corrosive. Norse Krags are a bit stronger as they have 2 bearing surfaces. I shot standard swedish service ammo in mine and duplicates w reloader 22. Really slick guns overall.
I once saw a norse krag rebarreled into 308 and sporterized. (Nicely done by a professional shop in Canada). The fellow who had it said he never had issues with factory hunting loads. Must have been strong enough to handle 308 as it was obvious it had some use from finish wear. Not saying I'd build one, only that I have seen it done.
@@cs-rj8ru the word norse is for old scandinava when the people used to be vikings and such, so calling it a norse krag is a bit silly. Its a Norwegian krag, Norway wasn't a country during the norse age
@@MNM-lq9te to be fair to history, Sweden wasn't a single country either in the migration and 'dark ages' prior to the middle ages, until forced to unite in face of Danish interference with the various lines of succession in the three-ish kingdoms that became Sweden XD
The wet cartridges that shifts the impact is only true for the DFS Krags, military Krags didnt have this problem, because the front and rea sight were both on the barrel
@@cs-rj8ruThe Krag action is stronger than what it's given Credit for. You could also get them in 8x57js, from Kongsberg våpenfabrikk
Years ago I wandered into a small museum on the Eastern Shor of Maryland. One of the displays was a photo of "Maryland Naval Militia" circa early 1942. The sailors were assigned to walking beach patrols to ensure that the Germans did not land agents along the coast from U-boats. Everyone in the picture was armed with a Krag. So these things hung on in secondary roles for a long, long time.
When Germany invaded Denmark in 1940, the Danish were still rocking Krags as their standard infantry rifle.
@@csm5040The Danish Krags got about 2 hours of use then
Just bought a Krag carbine dated 1898 outside of OCMD. I probably inherited a family heirloom from a beach patrol sailor…
@@ricardo3760the Krupp guns got a healthy amount of use at oscarsborg
@@bcb5696 Oscarsborg is in Norway, not Denmark. We're not trashtalking Norway, they held longer than France
>literally did this episode because he found a single picture of it in France
>is one of the longest videos in the series
gg ez Othais
Americans love thier Krags.
gfd sdsdfgfds and Springfield, I'm American but I prefer the krag more then the Springfield.
Here's hoping a LeMat revolver or a Gatling Gun ends up in a WWI photo!
Deathnotekeeper Had they really thought things through the would have gone with the Navy Lee 6mm. Personally I think the M1917 is far better than either the Krag or M1903..
You're not alone, but the Krag and Springfield were the top of the ticket for a major nation-defining war each with the Springfield as a major supporting character for another. The 1917 was second fiddle for the first world war and didn't even make the cut for the 2nd. No matter how many were produced, appearances matter nearly as much as (often more than, unfortunately) facts, especially nowadays
How you didn't sprain your elbow moving rifles up and down, off the table all episode playing musical rifles, I will never know.... My God, that was convoluted! You guys nailed it though. As if you wouldn't...... Great job.
Thanks! I have almost lost enough weight to be back in my kilt. Does that mean i can come play?
Any day of the week, my friend. Wait,...... What tartan is it?....... Don't say it's MacIntosh,..... I can't stand MacIntosh..... Please don't be MacIntosh.... or that yellow McLeod tartan....
I know I'm just a third party involved in this... But I can't help Fanboy/geeking out seeing two of my top ten channels interacting. That said, I'd agree that McLeod yellow is a better pick.
C&RSenal and BritishMuzzeloaders joint video? Make this happen!
britishmuzzleloaders ROBERT, WHERE IS MY FOOD DEHYDRATOR!?
My grandfather left me his “moose gun” as he used to call it. I found out a few years ago it is a Krag Jorgensen....thank you so much for all of the amazing information.
Ah nice, an hour and 46 minutes of Othias' calming voice to talk me to sleep. Yes I listen to these to go to sleep, then usually rewatch in the morning.
TrippyMcGuire556
That is exactly what I did last night
Now I'm gonna rewatch this too
Doesn't Mae's firing wake you up?
So that's how he has such high numbers in views 😆😆😆😆
@feelings Are Not Arguments hahahaha.... subconscious conversion to a pro 2nd amendment person.... love it!
1:07:03 General Flagler doesn't die until 18999, and you couldn't even get him in for an interview?
S M Flagler is too busy messing around writing lists for new changes to service weapons.
General Flagler is according to his time line at least, a little busy with Morlocks.
i think is more incredible that they know when hes gonna die, you got a time machine back there guys?
his medical life support equipment was to bulky to fit in the studio.
@@lolz36235 hes already dead, just in the future.
This is my idea of heaven! Home after a hard day at work, boots off, baby asleep, wife reading her book , two new videos from my favourite UA-camrs and it’s on my favourite US rifle of all time ! Life is good! 🙂
1:29:43 "...as complete a story as you are going to get For Now."
Single-item documentary with minuscule staffing and budget. Longer and more detailed than most well-staffed and well-funded 'professional' documentaries.
Bravo, team, Bravo!
I have followed your channel for over a year, and have gone back and watched every episode you did prior to my watching. I realized tonight a couple of things. I love the personal chemistry you two have together. May dresses exactly like my late wife did, and wears the same style of glasses she did. I look at your love of history, and your love of firearms, and I see my wife and I 30 years ago. The fact you ride motorcycles, and my wife and I met at a motorcycle event only strengthens that feeling. Keep up the good work. I pray for your continued happiness. Love and Respect.
I am glad to hear you remember her so fondly. They sound like wonderful memories.
C&Rsenal they are.
I am 80 years old, and got a number of deer with my father's 30.40 as a youngster. It was a sporterised gun, but dad finally had the barrel shortened because it was to long. It was a good big game gun, except for the drop at distance. Thank you for this video. It brought back a lot of memories.
“This is a very delicate arrangement.” *Violently taps on it*
@Ted Hubert Pagnanawon Crusio Whoosh
This was a really deep dive into Krag history, I learned a lot. As to Mae's hiccup with loading the round that hung up, the answer, roundnose bullets; the Krag doesn't always play well with spitzers in a few places and she found that one . Outstanding video.
1 hour 22 minutes until 'war were declared' that's a lot of effort put into making this episode :)
At 1 hour and 46 minutes, it's the "Krag-Jørgensen Movie".
I recently bought an 1898 Krag a couple months ago. I fell in love with it from the moment I handled it in the gun shop. Such a fun gun to shoot! Thanks for doing this review, I've been trying to read up more on the history of these guns and this video made my night!
I have 2 of them. One does nickel groups at 50 yards. Yes not long range but I haven't had much time on it yet. One of my favorite rifles by far.
Same story here. Fell in love with it the moment I handled it at the store but had to walk away because I couldn't afford it. I thought I'd never see it again until this Christmas when that very same gun was gifted to me with an accompanying repro WWI leather cartridge pouch. needless to say I've been a very happy person for the past few days. The flag is too tall for my guncase too.
@@mountainbriarfarm5030 I also have a 30-40 Kraig . It first belonged to my Grandfather who passed away in 1960 at 80 years old. My father then used it for deer till I was 15 , then he gave it to me. I’ve hunted deer with it ever since. I’ve taken 20 bucks with it and I have no idea how many does,foxes and coyotes with it. This last November after 10 years of not hunting do to work, I dropped a 220 pound 9 point with a 22 inch spread at 80 yards through thick brush in his tracks. I’m 65 years old and hope it made my Dad smile down on me and say, good job my son.
General Flagler is amazing, hes still alive and well at 184 years young in 2019 and won't pass away for 16,980 years....only Othias would know events yet to happen yet, so I trust these numbers
I do appreciate that mae demonstrates the safety, the magazine cut off, and all the small things. Makes it more entertaining and better for learning about the rifles and firearms completely.
*Finishes popcorn
*Checks remaining time of the episode
*Goes for a MUCH bigger bucket of popcorn
Don't forget butter and garlic salt..
WAR WERE DECLARED -Othias 2017 colorized
Angelo Barker That footage is my favourite part of a primer episode!
Sorry Mae...
Yet another great video! I hate to say it though General Daniel Flagler didn't die. according to the video he is still quite alive and not expected to die for a few thousand years. 1835- 18999.
galbas78 Flagler has gone onto other bureaucratic endeavours, writing and updating the US tax codes
He’s the guy behind the design changes of the sonic screwdriver.
Othias, I don't know why you keep apologizing for the "long video". I certainly hope you understand that we really appreciate the depth of your research, and for many of us, it is why we are here! The arms history that you present can not be found easily in any other single place. Keep them coming and you'll keep us coming back!
The magazine does not wrap around the rifle like a taco. The magazine wraps around the rifle like a piece of warm lefse.
This guy gets it.
AKA a bullet burrito
A taco-lefse?
(aka a tortilla)
@@HrHaakon Potetlefse
@@twinleaf3076 Those have negative structural integrity and we both know it.
A more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age.
Stephen Woods The civilised age of shooting up Hispanics and Native Americans.
Without that era, we wouldn't have the movies Godfather II or Scarface, for better or worse.
Technically Spanish don't qualify as Hispanics in this enlightened age, they are simply White, and Philippinos are not Native Americians. they fought back quite effectively.
I don't know where the fuck you live but World War I (and the surrounding time period) weren't my idea of civilized.
Amen. And Filipinos and assorted yellow men. And bangin they wimmins.
Actually the Spanish riflemen shot the hell out of our guys with their Mausers. As a result, Teddy was insistent upon a better and more powerful rifle for the US military...
Watching this had me in stitches....I've never seen such a long, convoluted process of constant change, missteps and strange decisions. Absolutely wonderful episode!
Mae did an awesome job shooting the Krag rifle and really enjoyed her smile when she was done like she really enjoyed shooting it. Great video.
That was the most informative video on the Krag-Jorgensen I have seen. The time and research you guys put in before your videos is appreciated.
Imagine how much this channel will blow up when they hit ww2
derek Brogan
And then the Korean War Krags !
😂
Scott Boyd there were Springfield 1903 rifles used by the US trained FAL (Laotian Armed Forces) in Vietnam. (Though I believe only for training purposes).
@derek_Brogan Well, the channel has been demonetized now. The future is looking grim.
This episode is nearly longer than the service life oh the rifle!!
FUNNY!
In Norway we used these beauties until '45.
And longer than the service life of the M2 Hyde submachine gun...
I have two Krags and learned a few things from this video.
The 1st rifle I was taught to hunt with was the 30-40 Krag that my great grandfather brought back from WW1 and a 30-6 Springfield as well. He shipped both guns to Idaho, in 1919 the Krag was still in its original form when I hunted Dear and even Elk with it (got my 1st Bull Elk with the 30-40) The Krag was stolen from his truck in 1973 and until that day I had never seen him cry, it was like he lost a good friend.
Its a rare, priceless rifle thats now probably rotting away in someone's basement, I'd cry too
... but he did get close the day his wife died! 😉
@Furgy
Out of curiosity, do you happen to know the serial number of that Krag your great-grandfather had that was stolen? Because, with a rifle like that... It might just pop up again.
I mean, yeah, it's a long shot, but can you imagine how awesome it would be if you could track it down and get reunited with that rifle? Of course, I'm guessing that your great-grandfather is no longer with us given the amount of time that has passed, so it probably won't give closure to him, but... I'm sure he would've wanted you to have the rifle anyways, and it would be something to remember him by.
Also, if you check out milsurp and curio & relic forums and whatnot and put a word out about your Krag... You never know. Maybe someone bought it at some point in a face-to-face in the 1980s or something and has no idea it was stolen.
There's no honor in killing someone who doesn't have the same ability to fight back, and doesn't agree to the fight.
As an amateur gun enthusiast and collector (my collection is comprised of sole 1899 krag carbine) this video has made me so happy it’s hard to describe. I️’m only a senior in highschool and my krag is my prized possession, so to see such a long video on it is just the best. Thank you so much Mae and Othais and everyone at C&Rsenal!
Glad you enjoyed it
Happy hunting, I worked my ass of for a garand in HS now I am way into the double digits years later.
Double check that Krag. I've seen many sporters being passed off as carbines.
Mitchel Loughman Wow similar story here. I have a sporterized 1898 Krag and it's my rarest gun by far. I have a Yugo M48 and a sporterized 1917 Enfield. Once you start, you really don't want to stop. As soon as I turn 21 I'm getting a Curios and Relics FFL.
Mitchel Loughman , I got my frist rifle in highschool ,and it to was a krag ,still have it too this day I'm now 50 ,keep it give it to your grandson
Greetings from Norway! I still have the Krag my great-great grandfather brought home from whaling in the southern atlantic! Manufactured 1910, 6.5x55mm, long infantry version. I still take it to the range sometimes, (reduced loads, of course) and it shoots like a dream! Can even compete with pretty expensive modern hunting rifles presicion-wise. It throws the hit point up and to the left if the cartridges get wet, but that can be remedied. Love that rifle!
There is one thing not mentioned here: This system give the soldier the ability to leave a panic round in the chamber while loading.
This rifle stayed in use In the Norwegian army all the way up to 1940, when it was used for the 63 days of war with Germany.
The Germans came with Mausers, while the Norwegians picked them off with Krags before the germans could hit the Norwegians.
1,317 Germens where KIA, while 1,604 was wounded. Although the Norwegians also used Kongsberg Colt 1911, Madsen machine-guns and Colt mitraljøse m/29 (Browning M1917), the Krag was the main gun in the Norwegian army, and was credited with a high number of long range head shots.
After the fall of Norway in 1940, many German 2. line units where equipped with Norwegian Krag-Jørgensen, and Norwegian shooting clubs would use it for competition well in to the 1990ies.
It was mentioned in the video
He clearly talks about just that option from @ 24:20
Krag truly is an amazing piece of history. I own a Norwegian 1894 Krag, it's really smooth and fast, especially when you use the Norwegian speed-loaders. Note for those of you having Norwegian rifles, don't use modern ammunition in these. Rifles are getting old, and there has been done tests that show modern loads might damage the rifle and in worst case explode in your face. Other than that it's a great rifle
Hoe different can the "modern" loads be for a 30-40?
I love how Mae really appreciates the beauty of the mechanics of the Krag, this is what I like about the Krag.
Hey, I was tuned on to your channel by Forgotten Weapons, and really enjoy your vids. They are long, but not boring and full of info... Thanks for your wonderful efforts!
Thanks!
“Because people complain whenever the US adopts anything.” *** glock fanboy squeals in the distance ***
This is a wonderful series on WWI small arms. Your research and presentation is amazing. And what a wonderful addition to have Mae complement the whole thing with a rifle-woman's perspective. From your closeups to animations to range action, the production quality is extraordinary. And I love your sense of humor.
Our family history is that my uncle had been able to find, through serial numbers, my grandfather's (his father's) WWI rifle while my grandfather was alive. It was acquired through the local veteran's association. The gun in our possession is a 1898 Krag. They shot it regularly. Anyway, Pop was AEF 37th Div, 1st Battalion, 146th Infantry, Company A which fought in the Meuse Argonne. He once told me how everyone in his trench except he and a buddy were killed by a mortar shell when they "went over the top" Sept 26 1918 at zero hour. He said it knocked him back into the trench like a rag doll and his buddy on top of him. Another of his grandsons once told him he was wrong and his service rifle wasn't a Krag. Pop humored him. That's not to say he was using the Krag at Muese Argonne and perhaps he used it in training. We won't ever know but since you brought the topic up, I thought I'd add his story to your collection of accounts. After watching your series, I now have an appreciation for Pop's Krag and, for that matter, my uncle's M1A (he is a Vietnam era veteran). It's a good thing you are doing with these productions.
What a great video. I recently inherited the model 1898 and when looking for more information, I stumbled upon this video. Thank you for your time and effort sharing all the history and evolution of this weapon. Very interesting indeed.
This episode shows the true class of this channel.......... these people give blood, sweat and tears... Respect.
I initially tried to watch your Pedersen Device video but ended up here by heeding your advice. I haven't watched one of your videos in a while, but I'm happy to be back. I love the structure of your videos and all the information you provide in an engaging but at the same time holistically thorough manner. Every time I watch one of these videos I leave satisfied with answers to questions I did not know I had, as well as various starting points to conduct my own research. I am happy to have subscribed to your channel, I hope that there are many more videos to come even after World War One (Although I think the current pace is more than sufficient). Keep up the good work!
I appreciate the background and the details you go through. I have a sentimental interest in this gun because of my great granduncle Jeremiah, my paternal grandmother's uncle, was not only the first of my Irish relatives to become an American citizen that I know of, but he was the one who inspired my grandmother to emigrate at the end of the Irish Civil War in the early 1920's. Uncle Jerry joined the American Army Infantry in the 1880's, served on the Great Plains, and continued his service through the Spanish American War of 1898 and the subsequent Phillipine Insurrection. He almost certainly used the rifle in that period though he probably used the .45-70 earlier in his service and for a longer period. All of us have copies of his service and pension certificates and his citizenship. If you're thinking Jeremiah is an odd name for a Cork Irish Catholic, he and my great grandfather were nephews of the great Irish Fenian Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa who he was named after. If you know Irish history, you know the name and what it means. If not, and you're somehow interested, Rossa has a halfway decent Wikipedia article and some biographies. Some of his books are also in reprints. In any case, I'm sentimental about this gun.
The Krag-jorgonson is a beautiful piece of art as well as a fine weapon for deer etc in my opinion that is .
In mine too!
I have an old beat up 1898 carbine!
Wow! I've been looking forward to this one and it did not disappoint!Thank you,Othais and Mae and all who helped put this together.My Norwegian lineage has given me a fascination with this.The pros and cons of it as a battle rifle aside,they are unique and a pleasure to shoot-especially in its 6.5X55 version.My favorite is the Norwegian M1912/22 carbine.Thanks again and my poster order is in.:)
According to the original owner of the 1898 Krag in our local museum in Donna, Texas, the Krag was issued to railway engineers and train crews that were shuttling supplies to the front. This gentleman was a member of one of those train crews.
Apparently, in 1899 the world record elk at the time was killed near Crested Butte by John Plute with his .30-40 Krag. The antlers were kept until 1960 when they were finally measured and pronounced the new world record in 1961, a title which has only recently been re-taken by another elk from Arizona.
I really enjoyed this episode because the smokeless powder, repeating rifle revolution was an exciting moment in history. I'm really looking forward to the next episode.
Hey, I've talked to you on Reddit before and I just wanted to come here to say that I appreciate these documentary length videos on lesser known rifles, I'm looking into supporting you guys on Patreon again once I have finances sorted out.
Glad you're enjoying it.
C&Rsenal that Remington model 8 and Winchester 1907 self loader behind you sure look lonely I bet they'd love a video
The French THOUGHT about buying nine Remington Model 8s. Then did not....
Edit, holy hell there are a lot of variants of this rifle.
C&Rsenal but the French did make use if the Winchester 1907/10 selfloaders and I just really wanna learn more about the model 8
Mae was sooo cute in this episode! Without her glasses we got to see those beautiful eyes. And her hint of tentative nervousness was very endearing. Now...of course she's a consummate pro. Othais...ever the pro with that perfectly pruned beard. Thank you guys for all the great content!
Bravo, Othais! This was an epic episode. I'm continuously gobsmacked by the research, preparation and delivery of your productions. I've been remiss in not saying so recently but this one put me over the top. I'm in for as long as you want to do them.
this is one of the best and most informative channels on youtube. You clearly care about your craft in all aspects. Thank you to you both.
I love your one hour + episodes. They are great to fight back insomnia (I don't mean they are boring, just wonderful to relax learning new things).
Insomnia is fictional. Youre trying to figure out how to [escape] your enslavement.
What weapons you have?
Slaves have put my name on a harbor, parkway and many streets near me and have an abandoned building we can try to make weapon systems in.
@@bunk95 m'man Jean Paul Sartre, is that you?
@@davidegaleotti94 its a picture of him but not him.
Stop lying about preparing to kill and come over.
I have an 1898 Carbine that I found in a trash can while I was a student at Brigham Young University in the 1960's. We were cutting grass in a married student housing area at the end of the school year. I spotted the rifle sticking out of a trash can and jumped off of my mower and grabbed it. There was no bolt. It was probably down in the trash can but I did not search for it. The rifle was covered in rust but I kept it. years later in South Carolina I found a bolt at a gun show. I have cleaned the rifle up and blued it. It also fires well with no problems. Ammunition has become so expensive that I will no longer fire it. I'm holding on to the few rounds I have for it. I noticed on your video that I have the rear sight mounted backwards. I will change that.
I got to say that when I see one of your videos, I feel like a kid waking up to Saturday morning cartoons. Thx for the knowledge
A sporterized Krag has been my deer hunting rifle for many years, smooth action and as accurate as I can hold.
“Hey artha, i found some military rifles in this chest, we can sell em!”
“Can i have one?”
“Sure.”
I love that he does a 100 minute video on a gun that probably wasn’t used in the war outside of a small number of possible engagements???
I’m always game to nerd out over some world history especially if firearms can be fit into it!!!
I missed this video for some reason. Better late than never. I enjoyed every second of this almost 2 hours, maybe just because the Krag is my favorite bolt gun (need to get myself one someday).
Thanks friends.
Thank you for the history. I recently purchased a beautifully sporterized 1898 after loving my great grandfathers one my parents have been the caretakers of. I haven't even fired mine yet and am about to clean it for the first time. 120 years old and smooth as silk running that bolt.
Ian McCollum and Karl Kasarda over @ InRangeTV really need to do a mud test on the Krag now...
Was really expecting a name drop there. I am tempted to do it to my 1896 (sportered so I won't cry)
Snowman1510ify UNSPORTERIZE IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
Thank you for your time educating people these things. Thrilled to see someone with genuine knowledge and passion for this .
This is longer than the netflix movie I intended to watch today.
But much better
Another excellent history lesson! I have a Krag that belonged to a WW1 veteran. It's an 1898 with the Buffington sight. He also worked in a bank during the gangster era of the 20's and 30's. Some time ago I read that the government provided some banks with surplus Krags during that time for defense against robberies.
I was unable to ask him the history of his Krag sadly.
Concerning the strength of the Krag action: P.O. Ackley's 1962 book, "Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders Vol. 2." opens with a chapter on his tests of surplus actions including the Enfield, Mauser, Springfield, Arisaka and the Krag. He gradually increased the powder charges until the actions failed. He writes, "The two Krags tested were also a surprise.....the action took a tremendous amount of pressure before it gave way. I fact it apparently took as much as some of the more modern actions."
Keep up the great work!
I shed a year every time I see a rack of Sporterised Krags at gun shows but not a single original military configuration rifle...
Matthew Shermer A lot of the early Krags were sporterized by just cutting down infantry models to carbine length, and then set in carbine stocks. Those guns actually aren't too bad, especially since they were justifiably sporterized. Mine was a Depression era gun done by the NRA and sold so people could hunt for cheap.
But no, I agree with you. It sucks to see Krags that were sporterized after the Depression
"I shed a year"
You've discovered the secret to eternal youth? Gun shows? Do a few laps of the gun show and leave twenty years younger?
You lucky bastard.
I just leave poorer.
Since 2006 I have owned an 1898 carbine in full military outfitting. It has not been cut or sporterized.
@@kieranh2005 His youth is based on an eternal supply of sporterized Krags. So this is technically a request from him to see MORE sporterized krags
Matthew Shermer Carbines look very similar to many sporters.
Thank you this is the best job on the U.S. Krag-Jørgensen Models 1892 - 1898 - 1899 rifle and all the updates. Keep up the all the great work
"Everyone's happy, and this is the final pattern, right?"
*_William Crozier has entered the game._*
"Seriously dude?"
*Me:* "CROZIER YOU BASTARD!"
I wish it was longer actually. More info is longer. This is the best channel on the web, if anything there just isn't enough. Love this channel
Definitely hitting your rhythm with your camera presentation now, getting very polished. Very nice pace. So enjoying these videos, they have supplanted 'Forgotten Weapons' as my 'go to' watch on UA-cam. Thanks for all the hard work.
i dont know whats more impressive, the fact that flagler will live for another ten thousand years, or the fact that he's already decided on what year he's going to give up the ghost
>An hour and a Half video on the fucking Springfield Krag
I love you Othais
Shifty I like your pic. Hope y'all get your own state.
Mr Crabbs ilu bb
I just picked up a 1902 Krag. I thoroughly enjoy all your videos and Mar’s comments. Thanks so much for providing us college like courses in gun history.
"Civilize 'em With a Krag!" A little information on the offensive song mentioned in the notes below:
President McKinley had announced that it would be America's mission to "civilize, Christianize, and uplift" the Filipinos, not realizing that had been Christian for 400 years already. But that's why the soldiers were talking about "civilizing" them.
I understand the song was actually banned by the U.S. Army. The tune is from a well known Civil War song, Tramp, Tramp, Tramp the Boys are Marching."
In that land of dopey dreams, peaceful, happy Philippines`
Where the bolo man is lurking night and day;
Where Tagolos steal and lie; where Americanos die,
There you hear the soldier sing this evening lay:
Damn, damn, damn the Filipinos:
Cross-eyed kakiak ladrones.
Underneath our starry flag civilize 'em with a Krag,
And return us to our own beloved homes.
There's a second verse I don't remember, "Underneath the nipi thatch..." but you can Google it.
Again, the song was actually banned by the U.S. Army, because the Filipinos ended up becoming some of the best friends the Americans ever had.
My grandfather had one of the Stomperud 6.5x55 models. Its now hanging on my cousins memory wall in our grandfathers honor. He used it alot in competitions
HA! My great grandmother’s brother arrived in France March of 1918 with the18th Engineers (Railroad). He very well may have been issued a Krag.
As the proud owner of a United States Magazine Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1898 just like the one in the video, I salute you for the excellent job you did telling its story and the very fair evaluation Mae gave it at the end. Whatever its shortcomings as a military arm, the Krag is an excellent recreational rifle. There is really only one problem with it: you can't find commercially-produced ammunition, and when you do, it's painfully expensive.
I should also add that when handling a Krag, you may feel a sudden strong compulsion to liberate Cuba and annex the Phillipines. :-)
good
Noice
ayy, jeff is that you?
You know, you can use mosin nagant stripper clips with this rifle, and no I’m not talking about loading it from the top. You can carry 30/40 in mosin clips and open it up and put it into the side and it loads waaaaaaaay faster than hand loading 1x1
My father in law told me when his grandfathers unit of the North Dakota ANG was mustered in and showed up for federal service in 1917- they were still carrying 1884 trapdoors.
I am impressed with how much is involved in producing a military weapon. Thank you.
Hence back in the day, when you went to the Gun Store to buy some FMJ you would say "I would like a box of Eduard Rubins please."
There are three constants when watching these episodes..And the lack of any of them would make me feel like I have the wrong channel..1, "Hi I'm Othais, 2. War were declared, and 3 Maes beautiful smile when she finishes shooting..Keep it up Thank you..
4. mispronunciation.
But HOW would I know...LOL It sounds good to me..
Allegedly, the only American Engineer outfit to help fight Kaiserschlacht was armed with Krags. Regardless of what they were armed with, their action was successful and blunted the attack in their sector. I think I read it in either "First Over There" or "With Their Bare Hands".
My first deer rifle was a krag and I never saw the magazine as a problem with loading , never had a jam or an issue loading and shooting it . Smoothest bolt I've ever worked , great rifle !
smoothest cycling bolt action ever made.
Wish I still had mine (darn theives/crooks) ... or could afford to get another in full military trim.
Well this has been the longest, most "detailed" and head aching episode. It was a well done video and I knew that the krag was a disaster but I learned new things. The final product is always worth the wait.
That Remington model 8 and Winchester 1907 look awfully lonely on that rack behind you they could sure use a video
Are there any select fire French 1907 carbines in the US at all?
Alexandru Ianu I'm not sure I haven't really looked into the select fire 1907s
Alexandru Ianu the Winchester 1907 video covers it but suffice to say, no select fire 1907 rifles were ever made by Winchester (the notion that they existed was most likely from an error during interpretation).
A feature length movie on the Krag, awesome! I love this rifle. Thank you for putting so much work into this. I am dragging my 1898 Krag with the 1902 sight out to the range soon.
I find it funny that the US was so far behind in the late 1800s yet had an amazing semi automatic service rifle as early as the 1930s (M1 Garand)
Logan Barnette That’s almost the only thing that the US army kept up to date, the rest of military hardly advanced at all until just before WWII.
I remember reading of a young man who fled from
Belgium just after the blitz. Moving to America he was amazed by how old fashioned the army was compared to Germany and the UK.
Wooo hour and three quarter episode on a single(ish) gun! Love it even if it cuts into sleepy times.
An hour 46? Oh hell - I'm excited for this one!!!
I have always loved the Krag and had an opportunity to work on several after a fire swept through the Legion Club in a small town where I was serving as a police officer. They sold them at auction for 17 bucks each with some wood and 12 bucks for those that the wood had burned completely. The guns were, of course used for burials, so had been chrome plated making them quite a sight. My boss bought one with nearly complete wood, except for some charring near the muzzle end. I cleaned the gun for him, and butchered the stock down to a useful point making the gun look almost like a sporter. He didn't like that big tab on the magazine, so I removed most of it, and cut checkering in the top with a file it came out looking very nice indeed. A gun dealer in the town purchased all the 12 dollar ones and sold them on Shotgun News as Barreled actions for 75 bucks each, they were gone in a day. I think I would have been quite afraid of firing any of those where the stock was completely burned because the fire would have changed the temper on the steel and left the guns in a weakened condition, but from what I could tell the ones with no damage to the stock near the action should have been safe. My boss, the Chief of Police used the one I fixed up for him to take three deer while I was there,and the old war horse performed like a new rifle.
Another thing that has bothered me about the Krag - I am a Hogan's Heroes fan, and watch at least one episode every night, Schultz almost always is armed with a Krag, and from all appearances it is one made by the US Springfield Armory, not one from Norway. While I realize that this is a work of fiction, it still bothers me watching this on the boob tube. I saw one where it appeared Schultz was armed with an ancient machine gun based on the Borchart design. Wonder where the Studio's went for their props?
I unironically love the credits list of things that changed in this model because the US is bad at efficient bureaucracy.
Also I unironically love how weird it is as a gun. I think it'd be weirdly good in the Fallout universe from a FRPG perspective.
They missed the opportunity for s star wars text crawl though .
efficient bureaucracy is that an oxymoron ?
There are lots of efficient beaurocracies in the world and in history. USPS is a decent example.
@@treyriver5676 The ancient Chinese beg to differ. It's probably not actually true, but according to popular memory they got bureaucracy right. The secret is eunuchs.
Fantastic episode, there's just something compelling about this rifle as there is in many of the less well known arms.
A great looking gun with a fantastic name. Makes me want to buy some meatballs and buy some flat pack furniture.
... what do you mean that’s Sweden?
Well, when this gun was designed, Norway was still part of Sweden.
Heinz Guderian sweden-norway was a dual monarchy, norway had it's own parliament, army, etc.
@Paladine The Swedes shipped their Mauser flat packed with some assembly needed.
@Paladine They do aquire some assembly but they do come flat packed as well. Lol
The Krag is still in use in competitions in Norway. Stripper clips and the 6.5x55 SWEDE makes it a hell of a fast and straight shooter.
So I'm looking at this, and I just realized this is what Sgt Schultz uses in Hogan's Heroes
I always love the gags put up on the walls...... the shape of things to come.... truly you tease.
Nice video! Would love to see a dedicated video on the other countries Krags (Given that you actually own these). Never seen a propper YT gun channel discuss the Norwegian or danish Krags, or review the gun and actually shooting them.
Ian at forgotten weapons have a video about the danish Krag.
And a occupation model of the Norwegian one. But they only discuss the rifles history and developement, not their practical use.
I love my 1894 Krag, it was the centerfire rifle I grew up on. My Grandfather got it for $1.50 from the Government. It is the sweetest handling rifle I have, I have had many dozens of rifles over the years, both commercial and military. I find it to be easy to load, simply open the loading gate, drop in 5 rounds, and snap it closed.
Mae & Othais Would you rather go to war with a American Krag, Norwegian Krag, or Danish Krag? Or other rifles of the early 1890s that saw use in WW1 like the Lee Metford, Mosin Nagant, Carcano, or Lee Paris?
for mae i think that is an easy question, The carcano 😝
Thanks so much for this exhaustive and well-researched video. You all are doing a great service for the gun community!