Sony's Making Another PSP?
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2024
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So normally I don't dive into rumors like this, but the prospect of a new Sony handheld is just too interesting for me to not talk about.
The idea that Sony could make a new PSP, or PSVita, (and not just another PlayStation Portal), is admittedly quite exciting.
So today I want to talk about how this could work, why I think Sony is going to do this, and what it could mean for a potential next generation PlayStation 6. - Ігри
The fact people are more hyped for this rather than the long leaked ps5 pro says enough.
I honestly think he is a layman and doesn't understand the tech development that is taking in place.... ps5 to ps6 will be a great leap or even ps5 pro given the specs ......this generation provided us with a taste of real time lighting and raytracing and even in this generation pc is able to play some pathtraced games like as cyberpunk ..... the next generation will be the generation of pathtracing you will see that all games will integrate real time lighting into the art style of the game like gta 6 with their rtgi and raytraced reflection and its the mid age of the current gen already... obviously after pathtracing what improvements can be made besides graphics since they are able to pathtrace the game without rasterization we have already reached a dead end in terms of graphics now for gameplay there could be more..........
The psp is a console that was pretty much abandoned and has had no updates or predecessors beyond the vita. However it was still loved by many people. Are you really comparing it to a new ps5 which is literally not news at all?
@@shilohoward6085psp is not abandoned lol that thing is s tier console the games is even better than the ds the abandoned one is the psvita
@@dxtremecaliber It is abandoned due how old and outdated it is like every old tech in existence. I know there's still a niche community keeping it alive and well but that's just independent community support that Sony have nothing to do with it anymore.
I don't know why you're being so defensive over something very obvious.
@@bmqww223what does that have anything to do with gameplay.
That idea that a PS6 could cost $700 and Xbox can swoop in and steal its momentum, is basically what happened after Sony announced the PS3 would cost up to $600
I mean the ps3 still outsold the 360.
@@Blackfatratonly way late into it's lifecycle
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Many (millions) Xbox 360 faced the dreadful Red Ring of Death. So many user had to buy second system. Even with PS3 being more expensive, and harder for games to run. It still outsold the Xbox 360 in its lifecycle. Microsoft should of doubled down on the games. Because having powerful hardware doesn't mean much without variety of games. Just look at the Wii. It outsold both Xbox 360 & PS3
@@Blackfatrat not by a minch and geniunly bc sony make it cheap and latam market wanted to pirate games.
@@mianlo2624 To be fair, the PS3 suffered the Yellow Light of Death too for the exact same issue.
Only difference is, Sony saw Xbox suffer the problem then proceeded to do the exact same thing.
Wii was great despite its power or lack thereof, and the only one not plagued with issues outside of a chip shortage that still didn't kill its momentum.
People should remember that PSP came out before PS3 and it was very close to PS2. So close they got to share the same ports. Today we already have a handheld that is quite a bit faster than a PS4 - Steamdeck. Getting last gen and some of current gen to run on handhelds is not uncommon.
The PSP might have been a godsend for some developers not ready yet for HD, and it kept the PS2 alive while the PS3 has straggled due to CELL. Sony clearly Sony has a software problem right now with overspending to justifying the PS5 tech (kindda like the PS3 with the CELL) which lead them to bigger and less sustainable games. Developers would kill for another PSP-Wii situation while AAA try to think how they go forward.
Steam deck is as fast as ps4 pro.
@@bananaman8693 yeah but it only runs at 720p. at 1080p the Steam Deck often performs below a regular PS4 let alone a PS4 Pro
Y'know gamers have had resolutions lower than 4k most their lives. Resolution is a non issue@@censoredialogue
And even myself, personally, have a hard time looking at 4k graphics for long periods of time without it affecting my eyes, which isn't an issue on my 1080 laptop@@censoredialogue
Considering the Steam Deck runs PS4 PC ports, wouldn't be surprising for a handheld to run PS5 and even scaled back PS6 games in a couple years. Like they said, just scale back some effects and run at 540p upscaled with hardware AI and aggressive anti-aliasing, it'll still look good on a small screen and from a couch.
The steam deck is pretty versatile. Games that don't run very well, you can lower the graphics settings in game, then you can use a built in upscaling method called FSR. Pal world for example, isn't very well by itself on steam deck, getting 20-30 frames, but with FSR you get 60, and much better battery life and a cooler system.
yes and no. im a very pleased owner of a deck since the first wave released. I love it. but it does not run ps4 games well. at least not demanding ones. I try to play neir automata, dmc5, sf5, shoot, even soul calibur 6 and mh rise. you need to drop the settings to the floor to get them to run even somewhat decent. thankfully im an indie game fiend so most my stuff is low demand so the deck runs it great. but lets be real. the deck isnt running high tier games at good specs, at all. even dameon x machina needs booty settings to run at a consistent 30, and that cellshaded stuff.
I will end this book with me reassuring you, I do own a deck, and I love it. these are just facts
Vita means life
Something the Vita barely had
Rest in peace 🫡
@@Nerdtendo6366why do you hate PS Vita?
@@kalulofer4638I don’t think they’re saying they hate the Vita. It just didn’t have much of a lifespan. Sony royally messed up marketing and gave up on it fairly early into its lifespan. There were definitely third parties (mostly Japanese exclusives) and indies who kept it going past when Sony did but it couldn’t compete with the 3DS or even the previous Sony handheld (the PSP) sale figures and market share wise. I have one but it’s mostly a modded device I can play PSP only games and the handful of Vita exclusives not available on other systems along with certain PS1 games.
Yeah we know that..
If the "next PSP" is actually a "Sony Phone," they might be about to strike gold. Think about a smartphone made by Sony that has full integration with everything PlayStation and can even play any PlayStation brand game. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this is what they have in mind.
Sony phones were a somewhat big thing once.. and yeah I don't know I hope they do not go that route. I also don't want my portable console to be a full mobile/smart phone as well. That would drive me crazy, no chance on just getting into a game. Don't get me wrong I don't mind it having a touchscreen and internet access etc but yeah, no smartphone/console mix please. I hope they really really focus on the gaming aspect
Look up Xperia play.
You’re overestimating Sonys capacity to innovate
They already did this lol
They tried that. It flopped. I also don't want the kind of notification crappy spam that mobile games shove in your face constantly.
Woah, lets hope this one actually gets some F'in games and isn't just abandoned nearly immediately abandoned ala Vita style...
They will use a proprietary thing like the vita did lmao
if it's backwards comnpatible with the ps4 then it'll launch with a decent library.
The vita is more alive now than it was when it was new lmao, it's funny
That is the cool thing, if they do this. Then they already have the games (all ps4 games and ports from ps2 and 1) and will have more because they will be just the ps5 games but a lighter version. It is just like the steam deck but for ps4/5
@@cherrypepsi2815 didn't the vita store close?
tbh if sony did another handheld (at handheld prices) and nintendo was still doing something like the switch, i think i'd pick it up. currently the 3ds is probably my favorite console and i miss dedicated handhelds.
If only the Developers gave a shit and fully utilized the PSP, instead of making everything with Gamboy SP graphics
I do miss the days of those consoles.
I don't want a tablet to game on. I have a laptop I can game on at that point. Give me something reasonably pocketable, with SOME unique attribute, or f'ck off.
Got a 3ds last week and there are solo many games I want to play on the thing! Currently having a blast through bravely default and planning on playing the etrian oddesy and Pokémon games next, that system is so underrated.
Yeah, dedicated handhelds are great. The DS library is the best of any system I've had (ignoring backwards compatibility), although the 3DS library is great too.
That said, I think the DS was lightning in a bottle - it was really the first handheld that wasn't just "portable console but worse". The GB was "NES but worse", the GBA was "SNES but worse". The DS was _not_ "N64 but worse", and developers had fun with the gimmicks - see the Prof Layton series, the Ace Attorney series, Rhythm Heaven, TWEWY, 999, etc. None of those would've worked nearly as well on different hardware. And the DS era was the peak of the Pokemon, Mario & Luigi, and WarioWare series (fight me).
But developing games is more expensive now, so developing games that Just Work on many systems is a much better idea for third-party devs. So developing on "weird" handhelds will be a tougher sell.
That said, whenever I'm confident in my predictions I seem to jinx them - the invasion of Ukraine happened 3 days after I said that Putin definitely wouldn't invade Ukraine. I really _hope_ someone makes another left-field handheld that has a library on par with the DS or 3DS, so I'm trying to jinx this.
(Yes, the Phoenix Wright games were on the GBA, and Rhythm Heaven was a sequel to Rhythm Tengoku which was on the GBA. But I doubt they would've gotten any traction in the West.)
An ironic drawback to the old Playstation portables is that they were trying to emulate higher end games *too well.*
Nintendo found that the best portable games tend to be things you can consume in small chunks. At the very least being able to pause and resume the game without missing a beat despite extended breaks is key to making a portable game appeal to a wide audience. This is reinforced by just glancing at the mobile market. The most successful (and actually good) mobile games tend to be bite sized experiences you can easily play a quick round of in a few minutes.
But PlayStation tried to sell their portable consoles as higher end devices with bigger more cinematic games like their home consoles. But if you're just riding a train on your way to work, you're not going to be in the mood for a big cinematic experience. You just want something fun to pop on for like 10-20 minutes to pass the time. And then 4 hours later when you're taking lunch you want to be able to resume where you left off seamlessly. With a bigger more cinematic game you might be in the middle of a big flashy cutscene when you need to stop playing and then 4 hours later when you resume you might forget what was happening and lose the plot a bit.
The genius of the Switch is that it fits whatever you want it to be. If you wanna have a big cinematic experience you can pop it in a dock and play it at home. If you wanna play a more quick fun little experience on the go, you can take it with you and play it that way. And Nintendo tends to design their games in a way that works for both styles of play. Just look at the new zelda games for example. While on the go you can focus on just clearing a shrine or a korok puzzle as a quick little experience. Then when you get home you can focus on a big dungeon for a more cinematic experience.
But Sony's games, especially in the last couple generations, are only leaning even harder on this big epic AAAA-tier cinematic experiences, and those are just antithetical to a portable market. So while yeah being able to run any PS4 or even PS5 game on a portable might be a nice gimmick, I don't really wanna play a game like the newer God of War games or the Horizon games and whatnot on a portable console. I love those games, but I want to enjoy them in my home theater on a big 4k screen where I can be fully immersed for hours, not on a noisy bus where I can only enjoy it 20 minutes at a time.
And another big problem is that any portable console, switch included, needs to be brought with you specifically for just gaming purposes. And that is a big reason why mobile gaming will always continue to dominate. Any handheld console is going to be a bigger clunkier device that has fewer functionality than your phone. So you're not always going to bring your console to work or whatever. But you'll always have your phone on you. So I think that trying to chase after the portable market to compete with mobile games is kind of a fruitless endeavor.
Imo the best solution for gaming is the Switch Model. You get the best of both worlds without having to commit to either that hard. And everyone buying the console is on the same page. Having an entire secondary device that you now have to support in addition to your main console when people already have smart phones is just not smart imo. If they put out a PS6 and a PSP3, I'll probably just buy the PS6 and ignore the PSP. But if the PS6 *was* the PSP3 then we might be talking.
That is contrary to how well the Steam Deck is selling. Which is huge and made for those big games. But the great thing about being compatible with a whole library of PC games is that you have access to AAA and indie games alike. And having access to pretty much the whole library of PS5 games right away would mean similar. There's plenty of those style of indie games on PS/Xbox stores too and it actually gives them a better chance to shine for the reasons you explained. They'd probably be able to run at higher resolutions than the big games which probably wouldn't be running even at native 720p.
You're also forgetting that mobile has some HUGE games that are FPS etc. COD Mobile, PUBG Mobile etc are all very big. There's clearly big demand for those kinds of games even on an awkward mobile touchscreen. Not every opportunity to play portable games is 10 minutes on a bus or in the lunch room. It's playing for 4 hours on a flight or a long train journey, it's playing on the sofa while your partner watches a movie, In bed when you're sick or in the garden on a nice Sunday afternoon. The Steam Deck opened up all those possibilities to me, and I've played the 'big' games in all those scenarios at some point so far. I can't remember the last time I actually played a game on my gaming PC. It's literally just used for browsing now.
Your comment about quick resume makes jonsense, the vita had that too
@@Wozza365the steam deck isn't sellingbwell unless you think 3-4 million is a lot.
@@oo--7714 yes that is a hell of a lot for a first-gen $500 device from a non-mainstream console company. The Switch is half the price and so was basically every portable console before it.
My big concern is the lineup, as a big part of the Switch's success is games that appeal to kids/families, and PS doesn't really have those anymore (outside of Astro Bot, Sackboy, and Ratchet), so I feel like I wouldn't be interested unless they started digging into their back catalogue or start making new IPs like that.
I see it happening because there were games for PS2 released for PSP and vice versa. Also PS3 with PSVita and even early PS4 games.
They have done it in the past, the thing is if they really want to target the handheld gaming space correctly or not.
Some psp have gone to ps3
720p 30fps scaled up is super doable, especially with existing AMD APUs
0:40 As someone who was in High School during the late 2000's this was ABSOLUTELY what we did. We had one kid who hacked PSP's on his laptop and we had like SNES emulators and shit on it. It was so coooooooool.
I did that for with 3ds’s at my school I didn’t believe it was so cooooool
Whimsu braved the swimming pool as a cat to talk about the possible psp3
This says A LOT about society, am I right capital G G*mers?😔✊🏻
As long as Sony doesn't ruin it with a proprietary media format, I might be on board
Proprietary media format would make it better. Being able to have dedicated game cards while also porting over your PS4/PS5 library through the PS store would be wayyy better than an online-only console like the PSPGO
@@cherrypepsi2815no
@@cherrypepsi2815 Dude, you can do the same thing with Micro SD.
thats not possible
Yeah, UMD’s would break easily and took a long time to load. Some physical PSP releases actually removed multiplayer making the digital version of the game a better option. Then the Vita had the expensive memory cards, they’re cheap now but back then they were EXPENSIVE.
Please, let me relive the magic of the psp and being young, gimme that sweet nostalgia dopmine release.
Dark Alex, Deadulus, checking pspupdates every day to see what new hack dropped? That was my 8th grade. Good stuff.
its never gonna be the same because you're not the same. stop using nostalgia as an excuse to be a consoomer. don't fall for bait
Buy a Steam Deck, emulate PSP games. Job done. They look and play great.
@@Wozza365 fun fact! If you've got a semi recent Android smartphone, you can emulate up to ps2 on your phone, with little to no problems!
@@debrisposting4904 except for the awful touch controls, sure.
I had the original psp. Many good memories.
I hope it works well for them. If it happens at all.
I’m not sure if this is really what I’d call a dedicated handheld device. This is more like a Steam Deck, something that plays games you already own on the go, but nothing is being developed as an exclusive handheld title.
Handheld exclusives are redundant nowadays anyway
at this point a dedicated handheld is just playing console quality games though, might as well port over all those pre-existing games that can run on it before making new ones
@@shrub9677 The difference would be having games designed for playing on the go.
The design of GBA and DS games were drastically different than that of the SNES & N64, despite being "similar" in power. Right now there isn't a spot in the market for games with those design incentives.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047
The GBA was mostly SNES ports, What do you mean?
Making separate games for separate system takes a lot of time and money plus Sony's are at disadvantaged if this thing is real and it releases. They need to find some compromise to have games on it already.
Please do so. They missed the market hard with ditching the vita and psp ideas. More mobile stuff is fine, steam deck proved that.
What a fun little outro song. Put a smile on my face and got my toe a-tappin'. 😉
The PoPoLoCrois PSP/PlayStation game, has a very similar “feel”, to it - you should check it out - it’s a good: “get stuff done” soundtrack (until Ya get to: “RobotCity” 🤖😬🤙😉
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Welcome back, Whimsu.
I would love this, would make things way more convenient- assuming you can play games you've already purchased on the store (I'd even be fine with paying a small fee for a patch).
Don’t know what this recent influx of videos might mean, but hey I’m loving the content
The big issue I see with just dumping the PS4 library on a handheld is the same issue a TON of Switch games have: tiny text. Even some first party games are nearly unplayable on a Switch lite because developers don’t bother to scale text up for smaller screens. A lot of people have trouble playing in tablet mode due to microscopic text, so if Sony's going to release a handheld to play games made for the TV, they’re gonna have to don something to make those games readable.
I hope this works, but I don't think it will unless Sony either axes their console division or they make all their new exclusives run on the PSP3. Sure, if they make it play PS4 games at launch that'd be great, but consumers probably want a system that'll get new releases. The 3DS played DS games at launch, but it still had a rocky start. The Vita played PSP and PS1 games at launch and had great hardware, but it flopped.
The Switch is doing well partly because Nintendo is only developing games for _one_ system, and because it's powerful enough that other devs can port games to it (even if it often requires graphical sacrifices).
If Sony made a system with that mindset and made it roughly as powerful as the next Deck model (so that other devs would port to it), it could do _really_ well. But I just don't see the "chasing two rabbits" approach to hardware working anymore.
This. I think there's one really smart person at Sony who was like, "Steam deck... oh shit that's just what consoles will be in the future." and is trying to pull them in that direction, but there's old heads in executive positions who are still fighting the previous war of consoles and handhelds are separate.
It really goes to show how bold and savvy Nintendo's decision was to make an underpowered (even for the time) console handheld hybrid.
@@hosvet_animation Im gen z and have zero interest in handhelds. You don't speak for other people.
@@ZaLewdWarudo He doesn't speak for _you,_ but he definitely seems to speak for the market, just look at the numbers. The PS5 launched Nov '20 and crossed 50M units in Dec '23. The Switch sold 52.6M units from Jan '21 to Oct '23, and it was _already_ nearly 4 years old (turned 4 in March '21).
Also, you said you have "zero interest in handhelds". That's the point! Hybrid consoles hit both demographics.
People who have zero interest in _handhelds_ but want to play Nintendo games would buy the Switch because it can be played as a console.
People who have zero interest in _consoles_ but want to play Nintendo games would buy it because it can be played as a handheld.
So Nintendo only needs to allocate resources to one system, and they don't alienate either audience. Honestly, it's such a good model that it almost seems like it'd be difficult to mess up. I'm not a Nintendo fanboy at all - in fact, I _hope_ other hardware developers learn from them. The cost to develop games is rising, as is the cost of hardware. It'll be impossible to justify developing games that cost $100M+ if they're locked to one of two systems made by the same company.
@@bane2201 Thank you for putting up the wall of text informational response so I didn't have to.
I think only AAA cutting edge graphics games are rising in dev costs to try to maintain their market of "only we have the good graphics", everyone else is just getting clever or focused at this point. Look at Baldur's Gate 3's estimated dev budget of $50-$100 million for a massive multi-game sized release. Still realistic, still looks good, but it's not bleeding edge graphics. Or RE2make or RE8, probably a similar budget for great graphics but they're not bloating their scope. It's really just the massive "Make all the money in the world" business model games that complain about how much their games cost to make.
Games are at a weird point where good planning in AAA dev is beating budgets in terms of quality.
If Switch 2, Steamdecks and another Sony handheld all come in at around the Ps4 power level, we will be looking a many more years of developers supporting these target specs.
With development budgets and times spiraling out of control, I do believe it would be kinda healthy for the industry if there was a market option not requiring devs to take part in the graphical arms race.
I'm so far removed from the console wars that the last time I bought a console was when I bought the PS2. For the few games I play, I have a PC.
Same here. Last console I bought was the Xbox 360S back when it first launched. Moved to PC after and never bought a new console after that.
Loved my Vita. It's my favorite dedicated handheld console. Would love to see Playstation take their shot at making another.
Two of the biggest things that will make it successful.
1. Backwards compatibility. If it has a disc drive for reading PSP games and maybe mini blu-ray discs for new media in THAT format, and a card slot for vita games, in conjunction with new media software that's NOT proprietary.
2. Portability/Battery Life. The biggest thing about the PSP was its portability, and battery life. Some games gave upwards of 8 hours of gameplay in one session, depending on the game. Same for the Vita. If SONY can get these two things down the RIGHT way, they will have MASSIVE success with a new handheld.
Mario Kart 8 still rules the charts in Japan in sales. Good luck Sony. Keep making psvr awesome decisions
I remember that Moores Law Is Dead had good predictions on the 30 series of GPU’s being released a couple months before they were announced. His connections seemed legit back then. Haven’t watches him recently so I am not sure if his track record has held up since then.
Can we get another portable system that is actually able to fit in pockets again?
The hardest part of this report to believe is that the PS5 will actually have enough games to patch by the time this thing releases
This is very interesting. They should just combine both this and the PS6 and make a PlayStation Switch, going forward having devices that are both portables and home consoles seems to make more sense.
Gonna need a source on that whole PSP sold mostly due to homebrew and hacking thing. PS Vita also has this, but wheres their sales numbers were abysmal.
I can’t imagine anything that I would want or could get from PS6 that we couldn’t on PS5. As far as I’m aware, it’s not-so-much the hardware holding it back, it’s whether or not the studios want to implement it. Like physics or a dense area where NPC’s have schedules and your choices are more than a binary result. An SSD is great for cutting loading times, but I can’t imagine new tech really doing much other than “more/better” than unique features that were previously incapable.
slapping more ram into it could let it have bigger/more stuff loaded or maybe if psvr picks up it could be better at running stuff for that, maybe if generative ai stuff takes off a console thats built to run ai npcs could maybe be a thing
@@shrub9677 That's kind of my point. It's really just "more" not anything really new. It's not like you couldn't have a ton of things on-screen today either. Days Gone had a bunch of zombies on-screen while still being graphically sharp, and that was PS4. It's just that studios mostly don't care about doing that kind of stuff. But also... there's still a breaking point. You can only ever add "so much" content too because budgets and man-power is limited. Some games already have hundreds or even 1000 devs (contractors) working on it and we still just get cookie-cutter open-world games where a lot of the content isn't that interesting anyway.
The tech is already there to do amazing stuff, it's that the attention isn't put into areas that matter. Instead of a smaller (but still fair-sized) environment with interesting quests and rewards, it's a ridiculously huge area where you have to grind enemies for minor upgrades. It's funny that JRPG's got criticized for requiring grinding low level enemies just to be good enough to complete the campaign... only for Western devs to do that with their open-world games. Except it can be optional (tough it adds up to be a lot of the content), and instead of getting EXP you're getting an animal pelt or some kind of currency. The imagination of people from 30-40 years ago has been possible for a while, but instead the ability is being squandered.
PSP was ahead of its time , PSP3 will be behind it .
I've got an idea, call it "Playstation 4 The Road", if it's mainly for PS4 games.
Somebody kill me.
You don't need to make PSP specific games but it would badass for another patapon game on PSP
Thanks for pointer out the investers issue, most people need to realize a good chunk of the blame are on these goobers wanting to see 'line go up'
Can’t wait for another round of Nintendo beating PlayStation in the handheld market
Well the new games pc version are more frequently not really optimized even if its high end. So its hard to see AAA games to come to most of the phones in the future (even so that optimizing to phones are even harder than to pc-s).
Fixed up my OLED Vita about an hour before this video came out.
PSP2 confirmed!
another good thing about handhelds is that you can port games from previous consoles to them and make free money.
also applies to consoles, but it's an easy library for the handhelds that tend to not sell as much.
If true, it almost sounds like the PS6 might be a hybrid console like the Switch.
I do feel there is market for handhelds, nintendo did show there is market and steam absolutely nailed it too. It might be possible they came to the game too late, but its worth the shot if they do.
Tbh I just want one PlayStation to go back to the full backwards compatibility, they honestly have no reason to remove it from their console capabilities at this point to run perfect Ps1,2,3, and 4 via software emulation for easily 80% of those combined libraries, even on a handheld/home console like a Nintendo switch
honestly its kinda hard to be excited about consoles nowadays. maybe its just me but that lack of significant generational leap and just becoming more of a PC gamer just makes it hard to really care about anything new with consoles. like as someone who doesnt know all the specifics, new consoles just feel like kinda advanced versions of old consoles rather than a whole new console thats just different from the old one (though i will say it was nice playing no mans sky with smooth frames and superior visuals after getting a ps5.
a new psp sounds cool, but honestly makes me wonder what the point is. we already have the switch and the dec and say what you will about the switch's power its still pretty impressive for a handheld imo and has strong exclusives. unless they release a new killzone or something i dont see any real reason to care about a new psp
All I know is the fancier the graphics get the slower the framerate goes and slow framerate makes me hurt.
I’d already watched this video yesterday, but had to watch it again today after seeing Going Indie’s video on Why Consoles Are Going Extinct.
Yesterday I couldn’t figure out why Sony would even want to do this, but now I get it.
"According to the channel Moore's law is dead"
Is how I can instantly tell it's BS
Yeah, this guy has a hate boner for Intel for some reason. And other misinformation things.
@@77wolfblade To be fair, they went through a decade with literally 0 innovation and put themselves in the position they're in now.
But good to hear he moved on from the Nvidia hate boner maybe?
@@King_Kong_Song true but I'm talking about the Intel graphic card specifically
He seems to think intel give up its arc gpu soon. he's been wrong so far
I hope so and I wish we can download our game from account PS4 or ps5
Between the switch and the insane PC handheld market I would say this device would be a sales failure. We shall see tho
It's an interesting thesis - kinda necessitates a seismic shift from x86 to ARM for the platform though for any of this to make any sense for portable, and that brings massive question marks around backwards compatibility claims.
The interesting thing is that stuff like the rog ally and perhaps to a lesser extent in some instances the steam deck as well can match PS4 or even current gen titles pretty well. Only main with a few big issues (price, running on PC os, cooling). I'd realistically imagine a PS4 + gen handheld would be doable in 2028 or whatnot
Yep all I want is to be able to play every game that comes out idc about graphics performance is nice but graphics don't matter which is what normally forces games to be 30fps on consoles
11:30 That's a good rant 😂
The real news would be if the “PS6” was a switch-like hybrid portable. In 2028 the hardware should be ahead of consumer requirements for console GPUs. If distribution is digital there should be no reason for the box to sit by the TV 24/7.
Lol won't work, the hardware will never be there.
I called this, repeatedly. The steam deck broke the idea that a handheld couldn't run PS4 Pro graphics games. For the tiny incremental increase in graphics there's always dedicated power gaming PC bros, but the Switch proved that people want convenience enough to put up with (even for the time it released) less than state of the art graphics.
The steam deck doesn't run ps4 pro graphics, it doesn't even run ps4 graphics at 1080p.
@@oo--7714 I heard a point somewhere that it was around PS4 Pro, but obviously it doesn't run at 1080p in handheld mode so I concede that.
I feel like Sony games have been selling well enough on PC. They are probably getting data showing the money they are leaving on the table.
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the steamdeck, has slightly more power than a base ps4 and is already 2 years old, whilst also having to work as afully functional portable pc. the switch 2 eledgedly has around the same power as the steamdeck, for a lower price than the steamdeck's base model. And higher power competitors that rival the ps5 in power are coming down in price quickly.
assuming this trend continues i thnk it's entirely plausable for sony to release a reasonably priced handheld with the power greater than a ps4pro that can comfortably run some ps5 games with optimisation patches around the time the ps6 launches.
The steam deck has less power than a ps4 at 1080p.
@oo--7714 depends , you're right in terms of pure processing power. But 10 years of processing optimisation and a better inferstructure means it can run better in most ways, even at 1080p.
Nah, digital foundry already tested ps4 games at 1080p vs the steam deck, the steam deck only could hit 20fps on god of war at 1080p vs the ps4 unpatched running it at 34fps. The rog ally is slightly faster and can run god of war at 1080p 36fps.
@oo--7714 the base ps4 is framelocked to 30fps, so unless you're referring to the ps4 pri I dint think your info is right
@@ms.antithesis you can see digital foundry’s video on the rog ally, that is where I’m getting my data from. Either way the steam deck doesn’t hit 30fps at 1080p on original settings on god of war. Unlike the ps4 which can run it at 30fps.
It does make sense that sony would want to make a handheld now.
But I think they want to make a steam deck, not a switch
Graphics don't need to look better than PS4 level, that's good enough.
I don’t “need” it to be better but I think it could be a little more. That said, once PS6 (or maybe late PS5) has solid ray-tracing implemented, I can’t really imagine anything better. I guess there’s the possibility of “some new technology” that improves things, but it seems unfathomably to me. Or at least, that it would make it substantially better as opposed to marginally. We’re basically at the point where anything from here on now, you’d need a side-by-side comparison to even tell the difference. And at that point it’s irrelevant.
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Is it just me or does Nintendo feel kinda bulletproof in this situation? People will buy whatever they put out as long as they don’t entirely fail at marketing (Wii U). They hold the most coveted IPs in gaming that push their consoles for them
Great, now Bloodborne 2 is going to be a handheld exclusive.
Yeah it's a great idea actually, what will be interesting is if it's on a similar level to the Switch 2, if they were similar that would be ideal, would encourage 3rd party developers for both which is a win win.
Looking at switch (and now steam deck and other portable devices) it only makes sense to make your own switch. I guess they didn't go that route because they were already several steps into production of current gen when switch blew up.
i play re4 remake on my phone sometimes. not the best looking, but it runs fine. i believe this is possible.
My take is that Sony misunderstood what people wanted from a handheld with the PS vita- The vita was a great machine, if not a great product, and they did nothing with it :( i think that if they make a new PSP there is no ‘market’ for it. Nintendo is always it’s own market so it not the competition, so what does it have left? Steam deck is kind of a niche product, so would the market be the niche? You can convert the console consumers to portable but if that would be a plausible market we would have seen a better financial performance for the vita. People that have a switch might want to go for a portable PS today, but if the cost is not convenient then they might just save for the big console. It’s a major gamble.
“PSP sold well enough” it sold really well what are you on? Yes it was easily outsold by the DS but it pushed 80 million consoles.
What Whimmy doin underwater?
ARM based handhelds are the future. See the Nvidia demo of an ARM based computer with raytracing.
*Peak is back on the menu.*
I don't think handhelds are really going to be viable until we're finally running everything on ARM or an ARM successor. Which hopefully that comes soon, everyone seems to be ramping up ARM PC offerings for when the Microsoft-Qualcomm deal ends in 2025, especially as Apple is proving viability year over year with the M platform, and that platform definitely is far from the upper limits of what ARM can do. Performance efficiency is a very important metric, and any handheld will more or less be DOA if it doesn't meet efficiency metrics, remember that this is a conversation about generalized consumer products and not an enthusiast niche that handheld PCs currently cater to; x86 is just too much of a power hog, and a generalized consumer will absolutely shit on an x86 handheld due to lack of battery life, I mean this issue is already bad enough with laptops that have much larger batteries at a much lower performance tier, and x86 is too old for some new microarch to give an ARM-like performanc/power efficiency. It's essentially ARM or nothing at this point, and we need a massive industry shift at that point, I'm not even sure if gen 10 will buy into it. ARM on both sides of the console-handheld line would also make scaling between the two super, super easy; hell, at that point you could even go handheld-only with a powered dock that provides home console performance via scaling and clustering, which might as well be the end goal for once ARM is fully adopted. The whole mobile threat is probably the pivot point where ARM gets fully adopted and handhelds become the norm, this at least closes the gap in a way where it's lower-power phone or higher-power handheld, again with the potential of a powered dock for home-console use. But again, I just don't think this will happen until gen 11 at the earliest, unless AMD, or whomever, has a multi-generation ARM chip that is otherwise viable for this use, but again ARM PC chips won't prove viability until 2025 and I doubt any of these companies have spent R&D on multi-generational platforms when these platforms otherwise see no use, unless everyone's just looking at what Apple has been doing and is planning on emulating their generational progress within a first gen chip that is proven viable day one so that the console brands immediately adopt it for gen 10; but at the same time, gen 10 has already been in some state of development for awhile now, unless ARM is already adopted we're unlikely to see it, and much less so on the handheld side of things and the scalar methodology of handheld-console side of the arguments.
Gen 10 will probably be an uninteresting change, more of the same, just a reflection of the otherwise current tech seen in the industry. Gen 10.5 is probably the earliest hope of anything interesting. Gen 11 is likely where we'll see actual major changes, but potentially not the endgame of a handheld-console scalar via a clustered dock. Gen 11.5 might produce that, but gen 12 is likely where we'll see that kind of shift. Apple, Nintendo, and the threat mobile gaming provides are really the only factors that would push this kind of timeline earlier, given viability of the various platforms and what the major two have yet to adopt, maybe with a slight boost from the handheld PC market; though again with a change to ARM we'll have to see how things actually change and judge from there, but I think gen 10 is pretty much set in stone at this point.
Sony saw the success of the Steam Deck and handheld PC devices and are going to realize the hard way that people aren't going to want to play your new handheld unless it can play your entire library of PS5 games. If it can't do that it will be a failure.
Saw the sucess, ah yes check notes 3 million units sold.
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It’s sad that they dropped the ball so badly with the PSvita, they failed to have support for PSone games off the store on launch and it took them forever to do so and that was the only reason why I was interested in it. I still use it for playing classic games and that’s about it, most of the vita games are just meh.
I was actually disappointed (still am) that Sony never bothered to reverse Nintendo’s approach, and like build a PSTV mode into the PS5 :o
Like imagine the same PSP compatibility layers (PS1 Classics support intact) plus the whitelisted Vita games playable with your DualShock 4 and DualSense controllers right there on your PS5! Would keep the sales rolling in for those Vita games because of the expanded audience, and add hella value to the console :3
Not too late, Sony~
Weird not to talk about portable PCs like the Steam Deck, Rog Ally, etc cause these are already more powerful than a PS4, for example and already *can* (but doesn't necessarily) use the AI upscaling thing
The steam deck is slower than a ps4 at 1080p, the rog ally is slightly faster.
The steam deck and rog ally can do upscalling, even the switch can, but they are not using ai upscalling, they are using fsr which is a bit worse than ai upscalling methods like dlss.
@@oo--7714 you're right! Still, my point stands
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I have a playstation vita and I love mine. I still use my ps vita whimsu because it's the only handheld that is actually portable and fits in my jackets pocket. I get to play games like god of war and little big planet in Uber and that's cool.
I honestly would buy a new Sony handheld, I have a steam deck and a switch and I've played those more than anything else in the past few years
I like this video. Underrated. But you know what game console is really selling? Teslas. You know, that big ass tablet in the middle of the car?
What even is the point of this comment?
@@GoodlyPenguin hey man. Star Due Valley on the Tesla... is the best experience ever. (In case you can't tell. I am being sarcastic)
I think we really need to focus on pressuring these companies to continue to offer physical copies why for preservation of course
I would argue that the only thing wrong with the ps vita was the stupid m2 memory cards. any thing that had one of those as the only form of expandable storage pretty much on launch. you could argue that the vita sold as well as it did in spite of the m2 card. the prices of those things were horrid and because the card is the same size as a micro sd its was not possible to make a micro sd to m2 adapter like you could get back in the psp days.
Sigh... I always wanted the PSP. Anyway, I wonder if Sony is ripping a page out of Valve's book. The Deck did build upon the concepts that Switch introduced and was able to strike a good balance between power and efficiency in order to play AAA titles on a handheld. Some further clues to back Sony may be going this route is the fact that many PlayStation games ported to the PC have been officially verified to on the Deck as well. Using the Deck is a test bed makes absolute sense.
Yeah, the Deck has a kinda similar model to the Switch - both of them are powerful enough that devs will want to port games to them, and it's fairly easy to port games to them.
I just kinda doubt it'll work for Sony in this case, since both of those have selling points that the PSP3 wouldn't have unless Sony axed their console line:
The Switch is Nintendo's only hardware, so they're focusing all their development on one system. If you want Nintendo exclusives, you get a Switch. It's also powerful enough to run graphically intense games, even if porting them requires sacrifices.
The Deck has a _huge_ library - 13K games "Playable and Verified". That's nearly double the Gameboy to the 3DS combined (~6800) and almost as many as the PS1 to PS4 combined (~13900). Valve isn't making exclusives, but if a developer is launching on Steam anyway, why wouldn't they "port" to it? Even if the game engines they use don't support Linux, Proton makes it really easy to get games running on it - it's barely even porting. But Sony can't really get this selling point, since it's more of a side effect of Steam being the largest PC game store.
I think if Sony followed Nintendo's lead, that might work - make this the "PS6 Portable", have a dock and lower the barrier to release games. I just really don't think Sony would cut their console division entirely, which I think they'd need to do for this to take off. If they try to split their development between the PSP3 and PS6, it'll end up like the Vita.
The of valve is they had already a tonne of games on their store all they have to do was develop a tool known as Proton to get games to work. We need to see if Sony could do something similar or they're going to just develop exclusive games full for it. Which could be more of a disadvantage.
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God I hope so
if this actually comes out the Nintendo Switch gonna tremble in fear fr
Sony has previously shown with PSP that it's possible to make a handheld that's basically a portable version of the current home console. I wouldn't be surprised to see their new handheld playing PS5 or PS6 games.
Nintendo's dominance of the handheld market conditioned people to think that all current-gen handhelds could only run games equivalent to a console from a generation or two ago. Thing is, Nintendo never really cared about their hardware being in line with its peers (SNES and Gamecube excepted) and leaned much more on their IP.
The N64 was the most powerful of it's generation too. (64-bits against the other 2 being 32-bits)
But the Genesis beats the SNES in some aspects, so they were close to each other (compare Kirby's Dreamland 3 with Ristar to see the best visuals of the 2 consoles).
But you're right, the Nintendo handhelds were 2 generations behind (GBC,GBA,DS,3DS) while Sony's and Sega's handhelds were close (PSP, Psvita) or in the case of Game Gear and Nomad, just straight up WERE the last gen consoles.
So a future Sony handheld being close to PS5 hardware should be expected.
it better be cartridge and open region!
Also why rush the next model of a system of it sells and has reached its full potential
The handheld market outside of like the steam deck really isn't needed anymore. Steam can emulate and has your huge steam libraries already
But the steam deck needs to be fixed when stuff goes wrong, which can get really annoying
Needed? No. Wanted? Yes. The demand is there, only Nintendo and Steam are properly cashing in on the demand right now
I love the Deck, but it _is_ a more niche device than the Switch, and their sales data back that up. The Deck sold 1M units in the first 8 months after release (Feb-Oct '22). The Switch sold 6.7M units from Apr-Sep '22 (only 6 months), when it was 5 years into the cycle, and it sold more (6.8M) from Apr-Sep '23.
Valve hasn't said anything since then other than "multiple millions", but unless the Deck's sales have nonupled the Switch is outselling the Deck 6 years post-release. Definitely doesn't seem like other people view it as obsolete.
The Switch has the benefits that the software is foolproof, it's in real-world stores, Nintendo's developing exclusives for it, and it has more name recognition for families deciding what gifts to give. I think most gamers don't emulate, and many of them don't have "huge steam libraries" because their libraries are on PlayStation, Xbox, or Nintendo consoles.
I've stopped using my Switch since I got my Deck, since I emulate and have a large library. But looking at the numbers, I'm in the minority here. What I _personally_ think is best isn't reflective of what other consumers buy.
I love my Deck, but it's more niche. It has great hardware and has a _really_ high "ceiling" for more tech-savvy users (e.g. can set up emulators, maximize battery life, and debug potential issues). But most gamers don't emulate, and many don't even have huge Steam libraries. There are many people who want something like the Switch or 3DS - a system that Just Works (tm).
Look at the numbers of units sold - the Deck hasn't made the handheld market obsolete. The Deck sold 1M units in the first 8 months after launch (Feb-Oct '22). The Switch sold 6.7M units from Apr-Oct '23 (6 months), and it was already 6 years old. We don't have concrete data for the Deck's sales past then, only that it's sold "multiple millions". Unless the Deck's monthly sales have nonupled, the Switch is outselling it.
Proprietary charger, storage, cables. They should do that again
If it can PS3 natively that would be the best
I can't believe we are already looking towards the PS6. It only felt like a year into the PS5
If it could play from ps1 to at least ps4 including psp and vita, I would get it immediately.
Now lets hope Sony doesnt do the usual greedy shit and the console will be popular.
Turns out Nintendo was actually ahead for once