Kesava Menon recalls visiting Pakistan in 1990 - India-Pakistan Relations -
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- Kesava Menon comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss his book, "Never Tell Them We Are The Same People: Notes on Pakistan" - on this episode we discuss the SCO, Indo-Pak Relations, the possibility of peace and friendship between the countries, and how India is changing.
Kesava Menon is an analyst and writer on political affairs. He was The Hindu’s first Pakistan Correspondent, from July 1990 to October 1993. He was also the Editor of the Malayalam newspaper 'Mathrubhumi' for 8 years.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction and SCO
4:55 Vajpayee's visit to Pakistan
7:54 Modi's visit to Pakistan
9:30 Perceptions of Pakistan before coming
12:30 Experience of living in Pakistan
18:30 The Hindu and the Left
23:30 Land Reforms and Nehru's Legacy
26:50 India's Economic Strength and Aggression
29:00 India's importance in Pakistan's electoral politics
30:30 Establishment and Peace with India
32:30 Visiting Pakistan 1990-1993
41:00 Meeting Pakistani politicians
44:50 Takeaways from visiting Pakistan
47:00 Never tell them we are the same people
50:50 How is India changing
57:30 Can we be friends - Розваги
South India here. We and Pakistan are not same . We are Indians and we believe Pakistan has created lots of Problem in India including Bombay Attack. We are better off being away from Pakistan.
Dude we know how much Hyderabad and Bangalore suffered because of terror attacks during 2008-13 and Mumbai terror attacks terrorised entire country
In my childhood I would wonder why was there so much romanticism towards Pakistan from the “north”. I could never associate myself with any of their culture. Even in both telugu states you would see Indian Muslims having different cultural backgrounds from those of north/Pakistan. They speak telugu, watch telugu content,eat telugu cuisine( more of tomato Pappu,pickles, pesarattu etc), wear dhotis on a day to day basis. Maybe there would be sectarianism similarities but other than that I see zero connection.
@@feisty_jali There is none bro! I am from M. P. and we see Pakistan exactly how it is. Some privileged aunties and uncles in Delhi create that delusion !
@@feisty_jali same language, similar food and clothing - same reason why did Tamils in India felt a connection to Tamils in Sri Lanka during their civil war
As a telugu speaking Indian from Hyderabad I can confidently say we don’t have shared history like Pakistan does with Bengal and Punjab. We therefore don’t share any sympathy, nostalgia towards the state of Pakistan. We would ideally like no association with it whatsoever.
even today generation oc punjab don't feel nostalgic or sympathy with pakistan
As someone from Bengal we have 0 similarities between Pakistan we even don't consider Bangladeshis as bengalis
@@MRWM-mo6zs Well, it doesn't matter what you consider them as, but that doesn't change the fact that they speak the same language.
@@arunsar7893 you definitely don't know bangla
As a punjabi, I totally agree with you Kushala.
I am from south India , Karnataka state
We are not culturaly same . We are different.
And 100% hostility presence in even South India
You didn't feel because you don't understand Dravidian language
You do not represent South Indian culture because you don't identify with Indian but illegitimate of invaders...can you explain how each and geographical feature of Indian subcontinent is explained in Ramayana thousands of years before a uneducated tribal barbaric directed his followers towards well developed rich India...
I completely agree. Pakistan has a shared history only with North Western India and UP. Most South Indians can not identify with Pakistan.
@vamshidhareddy393. Sindh and Gujarat also share a border and history with Pakistan. Infact present day Pakistan has their own version of Sindh and Gujarat provinces.
I m from Andhra Pradesh.
We don’t have any similarity in culture .
Yes there is a hostility all around south India.
S.Jaishankar was 100% correct.
I agree with you India 🇮🇳 has not one culture every state has diverse culture ✌️ I love my India 🇮🇳❤️
From South India. There is no less hatred for pakistan here which is a pricking thorn in our path
Being in south India for last 10 years, i can confidently say that South India is totally different then Pakistan, don't even compare it. Don't spread shit all around please.
Reluctantly accepting partition, Sardar Patel said, "When a limb becomes gangrenous, to save the body, sometimes you have to amputate it. This is one of those times." Having amputated this gangrenous limb, why would we in India want to risk getting gangrene again?! To the contrary, we should build as many barriers against it as we can.
@Kraken Thunder That is Nehru's "gift" to India 😖
So what makes India control and rule Chinese Burmese regions of so called Northeast. These states were conquered by the British. Don't they deserve freedom?
30 years in Telangana, Karnataka, Tamilnadu, I can say as a South Indian, we are not same. Nothing is similar between us. Yes, there is 100% hostility towards Pakistan.
❤️❤️I'm from Bihar brother
They try to create the perceptions that we are different and we don't like each other there could be some bad people but personally if I talk about the majority we love south indian people for their hospitality and rich culture ❤️
Thank you for the same type of comment.
As a south Indian, I can say with confidence that there is a hostility towards Pakistan across south India
North India has successfully dragged you guys in the mess to kill separate identities, cultures, histories, languages and freedom movements in South India.
Only Punjab has soft corner. Rest are some ignorant idiots who live in la la land. Haryana is adjacent to Punjab and they don’t want to do anything at all with Pakistan.
We don’t think about you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Your confidence is misplaced.
@@arunsar7893 not at all. As Indians we share this enmity
Ethnic Punjabi from Southern India -
People here may not have as much bad blood to hate on Pakistani actively, but nether do they have any romanticism and nostalgia.
They may not hate, but they don’t feel the need to try and prove love either.
Just much more realistic and rational.
Now, that's an accurate answer.
@krakenthunder7046 what are you talking?
@krakenthunder7046 ok got it
@@arunsar7893 correction: now that's an answer that you agree with. it doesn't make the lived experience of other people less valid.
@@Nobody-pv9jt It doesn't make the lived experience of others the only valid opinion either* (which is what it is mostly projected as).
And I think it's obvious that if I think something is accurate, it's my opinion, unless offcourse we are talking about scientifically proven facts. Not sure why you had to take the pain to point it out.
We are not the same people .I am from South India and there is lot of cultural difference to North all it binds is that we are all Indian... But when Pakistanis say we have one culture and all I totally don't get it.... Pakistan now talking about culture is to promote tourism or else they never wanted to promote it...
Pakistanis are compulsive liars . They don’t need any facts to back their claims . Infact it is celebrated to make a claim which is catchy than claims with atleast a hint of fact behind it .
People from south fought against Islamic cancer. We treat muslims are untouchable and don't invite them to Home
True...
Arab popat mohmd was pedofile. No izat to criminal Arab popat in India 😄
👍👍
This guest completely missed the opportunity to explain the experiences. I felt like this guy is just happy to be there.
Said someone who came even spell his name
Bcoz he didn't lose his friends, classmates, relatives in Terrorist attacks. Here in my place every village has martyre who lost his life in terrorist attack in j&k while protecting this nation.
Whoever has lived in Pakistan falls in love with Pakistan. It's true for all indian diplomats.
@@sabrinakhan8217 lol. As said, there is a difference between the ideology and its peoples. Common man is more or less similar in attitudes within the subcontinent if you minus the indoctrination done by the state propaganda unit to further its divisive ideology.
@@sabrinakhan8217 Visa Versa.
They want friendship because it's their bad time and after that they will attack 🔪 on back 💯learning from history
Pak Government was always in bad times. The economy is controlled by the ISI and hidden.
Look at yourself, you opportunist :)
Shehzad what do you expect the FM of India to say in response to the Bilawal’s rants threatening India? If he came for the multilateral talks, why did he even tread that path? He could’ve maintained a dignified silence instead of ranting against India on its own soil?how do you perceive that?
I am from Jammu and idk why facebook algorithm always shows me Pakistan internal politics videos i see lot these specially the aurat march scenario at first sight it seems funny to me how simple common demands of women in pakistan were being opposed and how pakistan main media was responding against those poor women "meri jism meri marzi".
Not just Pak but Islam
Educate Pakistanis. As a Pakistani myself, I admit people here lack tolerance and education. Specially history, it feels so bad when you see people don’t know about basic things and even themselves. Moreover, you can’t debate with them cause they just don’t listen. They are not willing to listen.
I don’t know how can we overcome this thing because actually keeping people uneducated is the business of politicians and army here.
Pakistanis have been taught to hate India and Hindus. Even a 5-year old Pakistani kid hates India and Hindus. That's the real problem.
Pakistani are teaching hatred for decades against all religions and even against Muslims other sects specially minorities hate against india Western Europe
When people are raised with the idea that they are superior and deserve special treatment simply because they are born in a certain religion, then there's no scope for improvement or self reflection
That is what Islam does. Closes one's mind to any and all independent thinking. You wanted an Islamic country. You got it. Enjoy. But stay the f*ck away from India.
That is what Islam does. Closes the mind to any and all independent thinking.
Unique concept where a Pakistani interviewed a south indian. Majority Pakistanis perceive India as the northern part which is 25 percentage of whole india.
@Kraken Thunder But it's true that Pakistanis perceive India as North India. They don't know jackshit about Eastern, North Eastern or Southern parts of India.
North makes 60% of the total pops
@@ashwinnair9862o not consider maharashtra ; MP as north india
We are central indians .and there isnno similarities between Pakistan and us
Nehru is being mostly criticized for excessive Muslim appeasement, anti- Hindu instance with compromising interests of India, first whiles dealing with Pakistan and later with China.
However, there is no doubts about democratic tradition strengthening, socialist policy, industrial and educational revival with scientific temper for Nehru would always be remembered.
Although Nehru wasn't democratically elected to be Prime Minister of Independent India, as first choice was Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel.
Hindu-hater Nehru was a disaster for India. Shame on him.
Nehru's economic policies kept India in poverty for over 40 years Can anything be worse?
As an Indian, I’d like to share something honestly about Pakistan and it’s inhabitants which I presume shall resonate with common Indian emotion. Well, first and Foremost Pakistan was unequivocally divided based on religious/cultural lines, so that nullifies any “same log” fallacy right away!
2) Indian kids are never taught about “enemies” certainly not in their syllabuses but rather encouraged to indulge/immerse themselves in progressive ideas and behaviour based on my experience i say that contrary what we see about kids studying in Pakistan.
3) We, mostly non-muslim folks don’t just like peaceful environment we believe in it, and so thrive in it unlike Islamic Republics!
4) We appreciate, respect progressive people,countries over our “jealousies” unlike what we see in 🇵🇰 mostly through their behaviour.
5) We certainly have totally different ‘mindset’ us Indians to Pakistanis.
6) We wish to gain skills abroad to COME BACK later in our country to better it(many won’t but that’s fine too) unlike dual-nationality brethren.
7) We despise being “short-sighted” and certainly cannot imagine us being a nuclear power while our masses starve for daily food.
8) Therefore, WE CANNOT BE FRIENDS! Because we wanna live in peace and progress and with Pakistan on board it will only gets more difficult. At least till the time Pakistan don’t get rid of it’s booming terrorism Industry! Peace!
I negate your 6th point.
There are many people who went abroad and came back to serve but they were brutally thrown away by people.
For example, recent IBA Sukhur professor (French phd holder)
Lack of opportunities is the main reason.
Why shouldn’t we go to somewhere else where our talent is at least appreciated?
@@mantasha_binte_idrees.20 Y’ll should indeed go and so should Indians. I don’t say that’s bad. Lack of opportunities holds true for both countries but this “Theocratic” exploitation of people in the name of Islamic Republic by Institutions in Pakistan have cost them dear. And ironically all these exploiters will have an escape route planned in case he/she gets charged in sedition or corruption, blasphemy cases. Without accepting responsibility and credibility for a country’s betterment who’ll be motivated to improve it on the first place. People in Pakistan will have to get out this perpetual religious indoctrination which have robbed them off their critical thinking abilities completely to a level that they seems incapable of deciding on their priorities! Majority chunk of Pakistan population is youth about 65-70% yet no one in Political scenario seems to be bothered about devising policies for upgrading educational level and skilling and future-proofing youth, compare that to rest of Pakistan’s neighbouring countries things have started to change for the better! We majority of Indians would like to see Pakistanis progress and contribute equally in creating a conducive progressive environment for South-Asia to boom rather than fancying it’s possible disintegration because at the end of the day it’ll be normal people like us who’d suffer not the elites and religion to their disappointment nor Habibi-Sheikhs will come then to save their asses! Peace to you behen!
@@mantasha_binte_idrees.20
Is that why the slogan Pakistan Zinda bagh
but then Muslims make ghettos and grooming gangs. Is it Pakism or Islam?
@@bmniac first of all, I’m not a Muslim but, Pakistani. I left islam. I know it might sound very weird but yes, I am.
It is hard to be in Pakistan due to no future. There are PHDs out there roaming jobless. So when someone says they don’t want to live in Pakistan or they don’t even want to call themselves Pakistani, it’s their right.
However, there are many who plan to go abroad but to send revenue. We have a whole group here at NUST university. Because even if we want to serve Pakistan, it cannot be done by living in Pakistan for now.
So that slogan “Pakistan se zinda bhag “ is people running due to ongoing crisis. Not because we don’t love our country. At least, not for me. Yes, we want to run to secure our future as well as country’s.
As for islamists, I have no explanation for them. Maybe someday they’ll realise and change and understand that this extremism is only causing them harm.
Progressive = Malecch colonial ideas
As a South Indian I can say that I feel 100% hostility towards the establishment and state in Pakistan. We have had too many terrorist attacks where unarmed civilians have been massacred. With the fresh wave of attacks on our troops, many of whom are kids we grew up with in South India, I don't think there is any possibility of peace or resumption of diplomatic relations with Pakistan. Engagement should focus on getting Pakistan back on the FATF grey list unless it stops sending infiltrators across the LoC. That being said, I've never hated the Pakistani people and I hope they get their country to withdraw from PoK and give them a chance to prosper in peace. You can not only never win in Kashmir, you'll also be ending any chance of lifting millions of Pakistanis out of poverty if you continue to try. For now, I reluctantly wish your country the worst and I hope the economic damage from your current crisis is permanent. Why ? Because it means less money to spend on terrorism and more people around me being martyred on our borders. Jai Hind.
I say this as someone who is flying back to my hometown to vote against my Prime Minister's party. :)
@@artemis4242 dude congress karnataka is even more corrupt than bjp , plus i dont thhink the free bies they r offering is good for state economt , even more they will pull down karnataka from no 1 in ease of doing bussiness
@@prateekmahapatra1789 You're not making much sense mate. As someone from Karnataka I'll decide who to vote for, thanks. Maybe read the work of your country's latest Nobel prize winner to understand what direct distribution systems do to an economy ? As for BJP not being corrupt, lol.
I am Half south indian (Kerala), half MP here.. use to live in Bangalore which is in south india.. i can confirm non like pakistan there pakistan a islamic state living in 6th century Arabia.
The host need to be credible : no one questions land reforms under Nehru leadership, Nehru is criticized on how dealt with Pakistan and China. The world sees the truth now
"... on how he dealt with Pakistan and China." Plus on how he engineered preferential treatment to Muslims!
I don’t think what Jai Shankar said at the sco was for the elections. I don’t think he would have spoken so bluntly if not for the Rajouri attack.
He is kinda famous for his no nonsense statements.
he said it purely as a retort to silly Bhutto
Jaishankar is like his father who was a distinguished IAS officer
A person who lived in south and north india here, there is equal anount of hostility towards pakistan in both south and north india. Be sure,We dont discriminate in this case atleast.
As usual, pick someone who is ideological tolerant to your purposes, who wrote for an extremely leftist and soft-on-anything-Muslim paper. 😂
Shahzad, I agree when you say that politicians dont get votes for india bashing, but they get selected for that only..
By taking tough stance against india, politicians convey message to their master that they are toeing their line and there would be no cut in defence budget, regularization of cantonment boards and check on their political interferene.
No offense intented, but under the present economic sutuation, the future of Pakistan looks so bleak, this may lead to serious problem like disintegration...
Pakistani politicians do show their fidelity to the Establishment by bashing India, agreed.
@@ThePakistanExperience Bro Imran Khan tweeted almost every day against India and modi being facists and all. And Modi totally ignored him. Top indian leadership has stopped talking about Pakistan. They talk only when any terrorist attacks happens in India. And moreover people vote on local issues on provincial elections. You can check the data by himself.
2:30 fyi FM jaishankar did not contest any elections. He nominated upper house member. I expect at some baseline level knowledge.
After this podcast I'm lusting for a podcast with Kushal on politics but Ik thats too good to be true🤣🤣
Kushal is pathetic when it comes to rationally putting forth a Hindutva point, in a discussion.
He can monologue well, especially to an audience whose fundamental understanding is the same as his.
But when it comes to people who don’t share the same base reality, he just starts getting emotional and says things like “you can’t understand us, because you’re too Abrahamic”.
AIM would be much better suited to this, but he is too smart and viscous for Shehzad to have on, and too honest and non-pandering for the Hindutva crowd.
@@dhruvseoni8418 Umm yeah I kinda agree, tho I said Kushal because these guys have talked before but yeah definitely AIM would bring so much more nuance because he understands the Pakistani lens and obviously our lens as well because I genuinely want people like Shehzad to understand where does Hindutva come from what does it stand for, why people vehemently vote for Modi in National Elections since he himself said that most Pakistanis know about India through a very typical sort of media.
@@sahasss7100 agreed. shehzad however has typical leftist on-sidedness and Modi-Derangement, calling anything not globalist-leftist as Fascist.
I mean, he has said in the past that AIM is too fringe RW (What a joke), and that Modi reaching out to Nawa Sharif for peace was actually a sneaky double game.
@@dhruvseoni8418 Just hope Shehzad is able to handle AIM shenanigans! Also, AIM won't beat around the bush so it is kind of interesting to see a two hour long podcast with him. Assuming Shehzad is not one of those who argue on the basis of "Mudi Bad, Mudi PhaScist, so I end the case" type.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 Yeah I agree but again I believe that's partly because that's the only thing he has consumed, I mean if you'll base your idea of India on The Hindu or The NYT Op-eds then obviously you're gonna believe what he believes and at the end of the day he looks at India from Pakistan so that's also a very different perspective lol. So it would be pretty interesting if he actually is able to sit down with the likes of AIM or even Kushal.
You need to speak with j sai deepak, if he is willing.. his knowledge is immense on india pak history
Lol 🤣🤣 do you want ww3??? He has very clear stand on Pakistan and Pakistanis, read his book.
But then Shehzad looks like someone mature enough to take that point of view even if it is too extreme.
And those will be just facts, and Shehzad has shown amicable attitude towards that.
twitter.com/Shehzad89/status/1655531623431938049
bhai vo podcast krne aya h propoganda nahi, tu beer biceps se khush rehna
@@ThePakistanExperience The Akhand bharat experience 🙄🙄🤣🤣🤣
Hi shehzad... i have 2 points-
1.The Hindu is not leftist... its communist... infact its jokingly referred as chennai branch of the CCP (a bit of an overstatement but not entirely false, given many of its past and present senior executives ties and sympathies with the communists)
2. Regarding rewriting nehrus role- You have to understand where its coming from... nehru is in my opinion responsible for 2 of the biggest issue which India faces today... China and Kashmir... but it was never a part of the popular narrative... we were taught only the good stuff... Our History books were written by the likes of tappar and gang... some of whom were related to nehru and most of them committed to the communist agenda... so now what you see is a pushback... not that strong but still... i am not justifying it but one has to understand where its coming from.
Thank you for the knowledge from Gau rakshak University
@@Stallion_1044 That is the problem with you guys you can't even accept it that yes we are facing big crisis & loosing our brave soldiers on this particular matter on this nehru policy & being sarcastic doesn't make you cool btw Gau Raksha is important it gives us milk, strength n love. Kaash you have been to around Gau maata n have smell that love & culture around it. It feels like someone is on lap on her mother n crying n enjoying can even through the tantrums..she treats you with love.
@@jagmohangupta1075 Gupta ji. Go and read history, how Dalits were treated in the list of 2000 years in India. In India, 85% of milk is produced by buffalo not gou mata.
@@Stallion_1044 Well, that label which you so quickly put on somone clearly shows which gang you belong to. And you are from Kerala. Two clear signals.
Dude, Shehzad IS a Socialist himself. Obviously he loves that stuff
Jyada india pe discussion hota hai, kyunki majority views wahi se aate gai bhai ke.
This is after Uzairs podcast when his clip went viral in India. He was happy doing his content before majority of the current Indian came onto this page.
Pakistaniyo ka Indians ko Bina gali diye nind v nhi aati..
Exactly... These Porkistani UA-cam use India to get views
Exactly aur ziada india se :)
They speak the same language as us so we are there audience too.
As an indian I will never want to have relationship with pakistan I like how it is today
We have had enough
True..my wounds are still deep
And yet here you are, watching a podcast called 'The Pakistan Experience' and lurking in its comment section...
@@hibasameen we are sharing our views as Pakistanis without considering indian views impose their thoughts on us.. khud hi relation banao bhi bigado bhi.. saamne wale ki marzi bhi na jaano..
@@atishamathur9014 aap shauq se apne views dein, hum zaroor sunein gay. We want to hear your views.
But to say I never want to have a relationship with Pakistan - my friend, you already do, otherwise the comments section would not be full of comments from Indians.
@@hibasameen Yes, I go to the zoo as well. To see animals inside a cage 😄I stand outside the cage and make remarks. That doesn't mean I have a "relationship" with the animals inside the cage.
Born and brought up in Mumbai I will confidently say that we don't have anything common with pakistan. Maybe people from Delhi, Punjab, Chandigarh and western uttar Pradesh may have similar culture with pakistan but india is a huge country with diverse culture and language. Even muslim from Karnataka and muslim from Delhi have different culture and customs.
Interesting podcast, Shezhad. I hope we can witness your podcast with people from different political spectrums from India like J.Sai.Deepak, Sanjeev Sanyal, or Vikram Sampath ( btw you already had a guest historian named Manu.S.Pillai long time back on your podcast who is also friends with Vikram as Vikram is also one of the young prominent historian of India). Keep growing, man.
Thank you!
Yes having these people will give a deep insight...and hope to have a better camera and audio with both of them
Thank god you didn't take that Chawda fraud name.
@@tjay8433 I don't say anything bad against anyone without listening or even after listening unless it's offensive and promotes violence. I have not heard him much yet, so I can't say anything about him. But I have heard these 3 guys, and they are really interesting personalities because Shashi Tharoor engaged with all of them, and he also invited these guys at the time of his book launch or some other functions. They had really interesting discussions on various forums .
@@ThePakistanExperience I also recommend that you should have a podcast with Sai Deepak then you would definitely realise that how BJP = Congress + COW.
It is v tough to explain to non indians why indians critique their leaders/politicians. Call it democracy or culture! We indians are glad we have moved on from the idea of blind worship (modiji is critiqued by more than 50%).
Also Indian media also criticise Modi policies. They r by far most independent media in the world
Shehzad bhai Azad Hind Fauj ke baare me podcast karo na.
And the experiences of many of our Gujarati Muslims who migrated mostly to Karachi.
Shezhad is nice guy, but attempts many false equivalencies with India. Suggest he needs to chase the UN banned Organizations as the root cause of all current miseries.
yeah, Pakistan is way, way worse than India. Trying to morally and otherwise equate the two is a constant problem with this guy. It's laughable actually.
False equivalencies /. Favourite hobby of Pakistan and the Left!
Simple and interesting conversation
22:28 Thank God for that.
The cultural similarity which Pakistan has with India is more similarity with the north Indian culture. In fact the north Indian culture has far more similarities with Pakistan than South India. I am from south. In south generally Pakistan is regarded as an enemy nation and this feeling has got heightened after Kargil and Mumbai attacks. The general sentiment here is India makes overtures but Pakistan rebuffs it and follows it with an attack. So bahut ho gaya. Just concentrate on India's economic development and let Pakistan be. Modiji's and Jai Shankerji's indifference is in fact greatly appreciated here. In north however maybe because of historical connections there is a section which wants dialogue and friendly relations with Pakistan. A sentiment not shared by south.
This guys menon is misleading.. noone in Karnataka cares about bilawal visit.. people in k’taka anyways inclined towards BJP already.. the mood in general in India is no relation with Pakistan.. we saw another terror attach right on the day of butto visit.. why should we trust these people? Why talk about peace when we couldn’t achieve it in 75 years? Best thing is to cut off all ties with them and stay in peace..
Paisa kamane ke liye indian content banate hai but andar hi andar Indians aur hindus ke liye hate hai. Pakistan par hai hi kya baat karne ke liye.
The guest is very polite, subtle and delicately expressing the niceties of Pakistan…
55:55 - 56:30
Not just Caste Consciousness, Pak and the Sub Continental Islam has RACE Consciousness as well.
From Barani to 'Sir' Sayed Ahmed, every Muslim 'Intellectual' in the sub continent has upheld the Caste and Race differentiation in the Muslim Society.
Sir Syed ?
How?
@@muhammadali7028 sir Syed did not even want education for native converted Muslims from lower castes. He was mostly about preserving dominance of afghan, Persian, turqiv, Mughal lineage ashraf.
@@dollartreeshark6786 u r ri8 I also read about it in the book things which were never written
@@muhammadali7028 Yes. Most of them never cared for lower castes converted or not. Muslims go blindsided when it comes to their brethren. None of the Ashraf has ever been comfortable marrying a chmr for example unless a Muslim man needed a free servant at home to serve other Ashraf wives and their children. Realty of Muslims is so far from any ideal found in Islam that is acceptable to me.
@@dollartreeshark6786 reread my question
Might be DNA will be same but mindset are totally different.
Your content is great but why dont you make video on the Kashmir solution between pervez Musharraf and atal Vihari Vajpayee.
It would have already happened if Musharaf hadnt done Kargil. Pakistan had to concede even more during talks after that when Musharaf was in charge. We just like to celebrate dictators so we pretend like Musharaf was going to bring peace between India and Pakistan whereas he is the one who destroyed that possibility.
@@ThePakistanExperience there is pakistani youtuber who visited india recently please do podcast with him youtube channel wild lens by abrar
As an indian from north india , i think its only north india which is similair to pakistan in cultural terms , but south india is kind of very different , even south indian dravidian culture is kind of different to aryan culture of north india.
Shehzad - this is a really good interview. As the opportunity presents itself, invite a few others from India if you truly believe that interaction will create the grounds for peace and friendship. This may be mixing two streams but how about invite an economist or businessman (from the IT industry or a successful startup??) from India. Many from Pakistan and India may find that very interesting and it’s an important diversion from more divisive topics.
This word "peace" now looks very funny. It's like a symbol of finding out comments which are written from cindrella world bubble people.
Unrelated to the podcast but i have been meaning to request a CPEC/middle east, central asia connectivity podcast for a long time now interms of how significant/insignificant it is for Pakistan going forward, informed opinion and hard facts. I feel like theres a lot of optimism regarding it now i dont know how much of it can actually transpire in the next 10 years considering the reality of the situation. I would suggest doing it with someone like momin sheikh/ dawar butt/ ahmad Iqbal instead of the usual ammar or uzair. Thanks
We used to be the same before 1947 but not at all the same after 75 years. Stop making videos where you keep comparing yourself with India, your heroes are afgani and turk invaders, please continue to follow them
Shab e Barat came first agar dil behel jay to ye hi maan lo 😊
Shehzad bhai please do some podcasts on world war 1 and 2 with the subcontinent in focus.
Same here
Mushkil hay boss. I dont know enough about those topics.
@@ThePakistanExperienceare toh aapko kaun bol rha h bolne ko !! Invite some experts on ot
@@ThePakistanExperienceplz make a podcast on how relegion makes a human rigid on thier thought process 😊😊
@@ThePakistanExperience there is pakistani youtuber who visited india recently please do podcast with him youtube channel wild lens by abrar
Another great chat Shehzad! I think you need to up the stakes a bit and get a self confessed Indian Right Winger like J Sai Deepak to really understand the Hindutva phenomenon. He's written extensively about it and has framed it in the context of Partition as well
*I think your guest’s assumption of hostilities faced by someone from Pakistan visiting India is a little misplaced. I recently came across several videos of a Pakistani Moto-Vlogger named “Abrar” visiting India and the sheer love and care Indians (of all religions) showered him with. I am a big of your podcasts! Love and support from the Uk!* 🇮🇳🇬🇧
Bruh, he was a German citizen.
@@mantasha_binte_idrees.20 of Pakistani origin. Also he was Muslim and Pakistanis claim that Muslims are treated poorly in India. That was disproved during Abrar's visit.
@@gauravipal9518 I’m also of Indian origin. Does that matter when I need to travel? I hold a Pakistani passport!
@@mantasha_binte_idrees.20 itni dimag vali lgti ho pakistan me kaise paida hgyi?😅😂
@@Warrior503 Kyun ? Pakistan mei dimagh waale nahi hote ? 🤔
Me sees the title of the video
Also me replying: NOPE
Also I saw South Indians had already spoke their minds... My input is from Northeast India... There's hostility towards Pakistan here too.
glad to hear that
Loved it
What do you think that there are railway station, cities named after bhakhtiyar khilji who burned nalanda University 9 million book.
Didn't you think renaming them is good
hypocrisy at its peak
Shehzad you feel your culture is Indian right? Then why don't you keep your name Indian ? Why foreigner name?
they like the names to rub in their brutal barbaric conquests
I think jai sai deepak is the right guy for these cross culture interviews he is the clear cut point to point guy .. he critisize modi govt a lot .. even though he is about rights for hindus..
Shabe barat came first or Diwali 🪔...?? Really?? Are you kidding me😮
Man, the government must completely ban any info coming in/out from porkistan ASAP! These zombies are good for nothing. Period.
When you get such older generation people, please tell them to get a good microphone as well.
As person from Kerala, there might be some muslim here who may romantics pakistan because of there shared religion but they are just a minute minority even among muslim.
Kerala people don't much care about pakistan
I dont think there is any kind of love like we want to join with them and free pass to be given to all pakistanis and vice versa if pakistanis want to .. we just want peace .. no terrorist attack u do you at your home ..we do ourselves we have much bigger things to focus on .. and we need peace for that . Thats what mostly indians want ..
Shehzad this is a good change of pace.
Indian and Pakistanis are same people, our food are same, we share same DNA, share similar culture, language. However, there is ONE major difference which is our "SOOCH" brain they way Indian and Pakistani think.
Pakistani minus religion = Indian
Same language and food applies to North India. Not west, east or south.
@@gauravipal9518 food changes from village to village it does not mean we are different because one eats idly and other eats chapati. My point is rulers of Pakistan fooled Pakistanis some how they are different better than Indians for last 75 year and their lies are getting exposed
No I am maharashtrian ..and I dn not support this same people idea ..
Jaishankar is a technocrat who was brought to parliament through Rajya Sabha. He does not have to worry about getting votes. Clearly Shehzad lacks basic understanding of Indian democracy and Parliament
What about next election bc
@@Ayzazkhan9 I think all things done by politicians are for to get people follow them. Election or not. You can read comments and clearly see that people support it. So elections or not is actually a moot point.
THE AMBANI STORY, RETOLD
Mukhesh (the elder one) and Anil are the two sons of the Reliance Industries founder Dhirubhai Ambani. Upon the founder's demise, his business empire was divided between Mukheh and Anil. Probably out of the usual sibling rivalry, Anil was always jealous of his elder brother Mukhesh and tried to show him up. Mukhesh, on the other hand, put his nose to the grindstone and built up his empire to one of the largest companies in the world and also became one of the top five richest persons in the world. Meanwhile, Anil ran his business to the ground and declared himself in a London court to be bankrupt. Notwithstanding the sibling rivalry, Mukhesh bailed out his younger brother with a loan. See any parallel between India and Pakistan? India, the elder brother, is still waiting to be permitted to help Pakistan, the younger brother.
You invited the guest and did not read his book beforehand? Dudeee
Both parties came to consensus vis à vis ‘Indian policy’ or they never had any control and always dictated from ‘GHQ Rawalpindi’??
Disagree with your first comment ...every Indian citizen values jaishankar highly..whatever statement he would have given regarding the attacks , would have been naturally accepted.
Interesting to see how it cell reaches these comments and spread hate. I think the video is highly relevant and one should try and appreciate it.
Anyone who is not agreeing with you does not make them it cell
Stop this general bullshit statement
Can you guarantee peace or explain how can there be peace seeing the past history? Tere se pehle bahut bade bade log aye aur chale gaye, tu kal paida ho k aa gaya😅
Interesting to see how Chamchas and librandu reach these comment section and their love for porkistan
Lol anyone who doesn’t agree with you is from IT CELL , and later people like you cry fascism and intolerance while guys like you are prime example of that
I see a lot of people from the southern parts of India commeting here. As a guy who grew up in Delhi and U.P., I would like to say that India does not share the same culture and traditions with Pakistan. Maybe 2-3 states in the central north and eastern parts of India, that too in limited aspects. India is a very diverse land with different cultures within, so anyone who generalises this and compares our traditions and cultures with any other country is just plain ignorant.
Bring on some more contemporary thinkers from India so that you can get a more rounded picture of Modern India.
You are doing great!!! Well deserved
what pakistanis did not understand is that MODI is neither vajpayee nor manmohan singh.
He is uncorruptible noncompromisable , and has a very strong team of technocrats. An even badass man is currently getting ready for PMs post = yogi adityanath.
Modi is a meglomanic, having narcissistic tendencies. He is actually surrounded by people who reinforce his large than life persona. He is the worst thing that could have happened to India, he is just a right winger who dog whispers his way to power.
We Indian have seen all kind of stupid prime minister but Modi is most hypocrite prime minister. He has failed India like other prime minister. Our India's main issue is unemployment, low quality of education and health system, pathetic judiciary, bised law and order agency, curruption in Every government office, low women ratio in work force, low productivity, increasing pollution. Most of time Modi and BJP ask vote in name of emotional issues like nationalism, indentity, religion. we common people have voted in name of identity and religion.
@@nakul_patel agree
@@nakul_patel maybe i personally love him because in my life he made lots of differences
@@anantbhushangaur1972 Absolutely you have your right of opinion and you can love anyone. You are one of those few people with Adani, Ambani etc whose life has changed better way because of Modi.
We want Kushal mehra with political discussion this time
@ shehzad, please do the podcast with arvind Saharan on the rise of hindutva politics.
Hi
Shehzad
I was impressed by your three in one episode on creation of Bangladesh in 1971.
For the first time in life I saw a Pakistani Muslim - speaking truth - and - suffering in pain trauma and agony of. Killings of Hindus and Sikhs in 1947 and again in 1971
It was genuine within your heart and soul. Virtually you were crying and in tears. I could feel it. In Pakistan are people like you exception Shakil Chaudhary
I was touched and moved
I agree with Mr Menon. Friendship is not possible
The reasons are / the lies followes
Pakistani Army will never allow it. They cannot close their shop. Bajwa doctrine was akin to Musharraf - camouflage dodge regroup and again hrass.
Hatred for Hindus and India in text books
Radicalisation of society due to above
Naming missiles and ports after invaders and denying past heritage
Two nation theory - inherent communalism/ patriotism associated with it
Needless obsession with Kashmir.
Enjoying the destruction of any society - Kashmir Balochistan Afganistan Burma Nepal UK London and so on
Afganistan in 60 and 70. Imagine what has happened. And who is responsible?
Finally the doctrinal issue. Religious reform is not permitted rather banned in Islam
No amendments. No change
Concept of one God Kafir and otherness Non acceptance of others point of view inherent and inbuilt in religious discourse
Friendship between two countries is not possible
Between individual it is possible
In the words of our former prime minister Sh. Atal bihari bajpayee ji.. You can change your friends but you can't change your neighbours.
We all have to accept the situation we are in one way or another... India and Pakistan are and will always be in this quantum entanglement forever.. There's no escape from this situation.. So either we can make it good or we can make it worse..
Thought it is said by Former PM of India but it's factually incorrect... Pakistan used to be Eastern Neighbour of India but now it's not.. Now Bangladesh is Eastern Neighbour of India... Which is totally different from the East Pakistan although the people are same...
So don't expect that Pakistan will be the Western Neighbour of India in future... It may disintegrate into different countries which will be different from the today's Pakistan although people will be same
@@Abhianand420 Absolutely right! Peace in the subcontinent will require the dismantling of Pakistan. India can and will have good neighborly relations with Sindhudesh, Pakhtoonistan, and Balochistan. But never with Pakistan.
That so called statement is factually incorrect. Borders change, new countries emerge. Bangladesh became our neighbour now. Use som common sense in the future to prevent yourself from humiliation.
Things will better after elections? - Shehzad is being naive.
We Indians don't have.anything common with the zombies
You need to have J Sai Deepak. But then after you would not able to live with yourself. He will destroy each and every fairy tale that you have in your mind.
Hello Shehzad thanks for the good work, please keep doing it, yes we can be friends people to people level!
There will be NO trade with Pakistan till Pakistan gives up its policy of creating & promoting terrorist factory networks.
Second what monetary benefits India get when Pakistan has low disposable income & public opinion is against India
Third India is not Punjabi, India is vast culturally rich & diverse and has very little common with current Pakistani mindsets
North South East West.
Each and every Indian(except for some liberals and some Indian muslims) have the same feeling regarding Pakistan and they are not interested in having any relation with Pakistan.
This Myth of South Indian have some kind love/softness/empathy etc or wanting relation with Pak. is a lie.
Sayyed and Pasmanda?? Why was baba bulleshah was critised for going to his murshid?? Caste issue is everywhere.
Am from Kerala, South India & Tbh here maybe no hate for Pakistani individuals but absolutely no love for 'Islamic state of Pakistan' at all.
How..PTI and Indian position was same..can you please elaborate, Mr.
The comments from the other side of the border really do present a bleak picture. It really is hopeless. Thanks for still having conversations anyway:)
World has understood the double games pak plays. That’s why until the internal discourse of Pakistan changes to not interfering into indias matters there is no scope.
The more we talk, the less the hate will get - wont be deterred
@@ThePakistanExperience naah naah. The more Pakistani musalman talks the more he gets exposed
@@ThePakistanExperience won't be dettered by your propaganda and terrorism of Pakistani so called musalman
@@nacpatil we should give them the taste of their own medicine
Which country Host maximum number of UN designated terrorists?
I bet many of your indian subscribers didn't knew him before including me
Nope!
We don't have hostility towards Pakistan. We are happy that you separated. Thank you 🙏
Funny pakistani think India is divided among south north east.. Bro this is culture of Hinduism.. We can have differences but when it comes to our identity culture.. We are one.. You dont know actually..
Shehzad, Any plans to invite Biker Abrar?
I've dmed him
@@ThePakistanExperience He was in India for a month, I'm sure he has a lot to share. Let's see
@@ThePakistanExperience also one more question, different from this video. I haven't seen any Pakistani liberal that Pakistani government should initiate Talks with India when people are suffering for grains and medicines during Bhutto's visit, why? Pak Liberals just talk about generic good stuff, that both the sides should do peaceful intiatives blah blah blah and nobody seems to care about commoners, just Kashmir Kashmirrrr
Bro he’s not memon. That’s what you pronounced him in your introduction.
Call sai deepak he is a lawyer by profession very learned men has writtern lots of books. Even anand ranganatan is also good.
“What the hell is this? The attack of the Planet of the Apes?”
― Jason Medina, The Manhattanville Incident: An Undead Novel
Apparently pak is doing worst than the people you are calling apes! They behave more human than your so called enlightened people!
Please invite rightwing from India and ask tough questions
First Pakistan should uplift the hindu at the level muslim in India like Gave full support to hindu & sikh male actors in Pakistan dramas and movies gave them chance to work against Muslim actress like in India but did pakistan even able to do this? No so don't even expect that their should be any talk or friendship. and I am not at all sanghi.
You need to bring two people on your podcast. @kusharMhera, @JSaiDeepak.
Kushal has been on the podcast
@@ThePakistanExperience but it was for cricket... Bring him for Indian politics
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The notion of India is bigger than the geography of present-day India. Rishi Sunak, Hargobind Khurrana, and countless others with no direct connection to the landmass that currently constitutes the Republic of India are nonetheless considered ethnic Indians. The notion of Pakistan is smaller than its geographic boundaries. Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, Abdus Sattar, and many others who were, at one time, deemed sons of the Pakistani soil are not considered Pakistani any longer.