edit: As of season 4, boomstick now has a fixed reload delay of 0.4s: ua-cam.com/video/JyBZNxHvtS4/v-deo.html This is a reupload because for some reason the processing got stuck the first time. Sorry to BeavisOfArabia for catching a stray there, in retrospect I was mostly just irritated at the person calling everyone else dumb while they were completely misinterpreting the SCC tooltip. (But also, please try things out before recommending them.) Other drg test/info videos: ua-cam.com/play/PLqTo6tQ9tCOrABARyls3C94qzGo6TW3h_.html
You could always just cut out the name and profile pic of the comment. Gets the point across that the sentiment is out there without putting anyone in specific in the spotlight.
I got the biggest fucking grin. Especially since whenever I'm explaining what this OC is to people who don't know about it I just have to say "You know the Force-a-Nature from TF2?" and so far everyone I've said that to has understood what it does.
I loved your polite little rant about people making assumptions or simply spreading false information. I spent thousands of hours mathing out all of the damage interactions and testing practical uses of skills/weapons in the Monster Hunter series. People would ask for help farming gear and designing a set to help them improve and then proceed to argue against my every suggestion. Sigh, I loved helping but it felt like a war against ignorance at times. One stat at a time man, you're doing great work. Thanks for these awesome uploads.
War against ignorance... War against ignorance never changes :D Unfortunately, same ignorant kind of people play any game. MMORPGs, MOBAs, you name it.
I just don't understand the people that ask for help then argue against said help. They clearly don't know what theyre doing; if they did then they wouldn't ask for help. So why do they act like they know more than whoever they're asking for help?
The beginning rant of this video does a good job of highlighting my persistent issues with GSG's weapon balance philosophy. They seem to be perfectly content to leave things objectively unbalanced so long as enough players are using the weaker option. Even if the whole reason players use that option is due to sheer ignorance. Here's hoping this video can gain some traction and impact the pick rates on Quickfire Ejector enough for GSG to do something about it. But in a world where they've left the poor GK2 essentially untouched for several years I just don't see it happening.
@@alphateam6580 AISE just isn't worth the downsides even if you're insane at aiming, let alone if you're the average player. GSG *seems* to want to give the average players an easy time with the skill based weapons, so why leave AISE so mediocre?
I prefer the statistically weaker option (quickfire ejector) because of the gameplay feel. it feels like I'm wasting my second shot most of the time by missing
@@Sky-bg5wt i have more than 750 hours into tf2 and has started playing drg quite a bit lately. even thought tf2 has been suffering quite a bit lately it will never leave my memory :]
UPDATE: DOUBLE BARREL HAS BEEN REWORKED AND IS NOW A VERY FUN AND STRONG UNSTABLE OC WHICH BOOSTS YOUR SHOCKWAVE DAMAGE BY A LOT ADDITIONALLY, THE TIER 2 RELOAD BUG HAS BEEN FIXED.
0:56 oh wow, I didnt know that! the entire reason why I use zhukovs is because I thought they were better at killing swarmers than boomstick. One minute into the video and I already learned something new. Can't wait for the videos on the other weapons.
The Zukov's are better at quickly picking of smaller numbers of swarmers with precision shots, a Boomstick Shot however is utter waste against smaller amounts of Swarmers .It's Shockwave can technically kill large amounts of swarmers with one shot, if they are clumped up enough. But in reality that doesn't happen all that often and when if it does, Zukov's still perform more then adequately by going full auto on them, just like you would with Drak or GK2. I might be biased against using it that way because I am a Jumbo-Shell Enjoyer, which obviously makes the wasted potential a lot higher. TLDR, they both have their upsides in dealing with swarmers, and I wouldn't say the Boomstick is better in that regard. It's a valid option thou if you are taking it for other reasons anyhow.
i find zhukovs to be pretty trash at killing swarmers just because of how small they are + spread however i do find them to be much more efficient at killing grunts for the ammo spent
Think of it like this. If there is a Swarmagedon where so many small buggers are going to overwhelm you, the Boomstick is a really solid secondary to have.
Bruh same the added mobility just makes scout feel scout like I just can’t get away from the starting rifle with AI stability engine (I think it’s called that) and a special powder double barrel sprinkle in a little battle frenzy on the rifle and you have just really solid damage and mobility
The amount of hidden, counterintuitive or just wonky interactions and oftentimes bad tooltips makes these videos an invaluable resource. Also, I think your style is just perfect for these. Definitely looking forward to the next video. P.S Thanks for getting Blistering Necrosis fixed, it's quite fun to use now.
Finally a video that explains the reload speed in DRG. I kept seeing numerical values for reloading speed and rate of fire and always assumed they were flat values in seconds, but not 1/(value) = x seconds for each stat.
To be clear the reload stat is just in seconds, so the default 2 on boomstick is 2 seconds long. Meanwhile the 'rate of fire stat' is 'how many times can this fire in one second', which is why you can represent it as '1/X=seconds of delay'. (And then this also, unfortunately, determines reload delay.)
Deep Rock is such a weird game, as that you always find out that something isn't working as shown on paper. Never would've assumed that attack speed factors into reload time. Good video and gave me a lot of insight into this weapon I never managed to get warm with. I probably still won't use it much, but at least I do know some things if I decide to now.
"Oh you know, just gonna do these for fun because people enjoy them even though they are old weapons and everyone know's everything" Proceeds to blow peoples minds with Double Trigger fuckery explained in detail. Love your content dude, keep it up :D
wouldn't quickfire ejector be better for someone who likes to fire their weapon, switch to their other weapon, melee attack, or grapple and then reload after?
In that case (and in general)I would strongly recommend using born ready to reload it passively, and have the option to fure twice quickly with double trigger.
@@LazyMaybe Objectively, i understand why that makes perfect sense and completely get why this would be the optimal build personally, considering the carbine is my go-to weapon of choice it feels really weird taking born ready just to use it for only one weapon, If one of my weapon is a re-charge weapon over a reload weapon I only would consider taking born ready if one of those two weapons just is really really really slow to reload, normally i'd take the T5 mod that's bascially built in born ready, but you may or may not have convinced me to perma-lock T5 into Fire shells, bc damn fire shotgun is cool
Not to mention, they aren't anywhere near as in-depth as these go. I've watched build guides that tell you to use the things Lazy has proven are terrible. I bet there's plenty of Scout guides with Quickfire Ejector in there.
Maybe I'm an idiot, but didn't they completely replace the double-barrel overclock with an Unstable Equivalent that ACTUALLY does what it's supposed to?
@@aquamarinerose5405 doublebarrel is great nowdays. on scout i get big multikills since blast wave deletes anything in front of you, treat it like a very short range breach cutter
The fear mod might sound bad on paper, but it can be extremely handy in a real game. Scout can struggle with sustained damage due to being constantly swarmed (and so he has to grapple away and find his footing again), but shooting with this mod in the midst of a swarm can give scout the breathing room to take out praetorians, wardens, etc with his primary.
I would agree with you... if it was consistent. But you can't rely on fear to give you breathing room if the fear chance isn't 100%, you have to either risk getting chomped or grapple away anyway. And white phosphorus is completely broken, so...
@@VorpalSword9 Although white phosphorous does more damage, I think the utility of fear is more appealing to scouts like me who want a more "grounded" playstyle instead of grappling around every 5 seconds during a fight. The fear mod also helps if you run cryo grenades since white phosphorous will revert the frozen state and ruin the 3x damage multiplier.
@@shaunhayes3072 Consider the fact that it's 50% fear *per shot* , meaning firing 2 shots in quick succession increases the likeliness of enemies fleeing. Also consider that you're killing swaths of bugs just by doing so (assuming blowthrough rounds). You're essentially a human shield as long as you keep shooting. Also there are plenty of situations where you'd want to stay grounded, pretty much anytime you have to be defensive, i.e. drilldozer missions, salvage missions, hacking missions, etc. It's hard to explain how reliable the fear mod is with just words. I suggest trying it out in-game, it truly does make a difference. I've been using it for two months now and never went back to white phosphorous.
It's 50% fear per shot-BEFORE resists. Most enemies(including all grunt variants) have at least 50% fear resist. So against most enemies, it's only actually a 25% chance to inflict fear per shot.
Man, the amount of work you put in those videos is astounding, I'm in love with them. There might be a chance they'll fix the reload delay problem after this, because the devs seem to pay attention to your channel, as they said during the last DevStream that your Wave Cooker video was a great help on fixing the Blistering Necrosis OC (if you want to check, they start talking about it at 11:55, and you're directly mentioned at 12:32).
I have a couple hundred hours and I'm over level 100 and I'm kinda ashamed how much new stuff I learned here. After my total greenbeard phase I never really used it because it felt so weak compared to zhukov's with cryo minelets OC, but knowing all this now (especially the firerate problem) I can't wait to try it out once more after such a long time (especially once I get special powder). Thanks! :)
I have almost 1600 hours in this game and am still learning stuff. Don't be afraid to try out everything, cause guns can go through many changes and builds that make them very good. Whats most important is that whatever build you run you can play it comfortably and thus be a benefit to the team.
There is no shame in having lots to learn about this game even past 200 hours. Lots of stuff there is poorly-worded, and the game is a casual co-op FPS. I do keep finding new stuff out even past 2k.
I think the problem when it comes with testing out builds in the field vs testing them out on paper is that players don’t test them out on high enough difficulties. If it works on haz 4/5, it’ll work on haz 2. If it works on haz 2, it won’t necessarily work on haz 4, and probably won’t work on haz 5
im one of those ppl where i perform better when i make a build based on the playstyle i naturally lean into. Special powder has superior mobility even without it being on scout. Theres huge value in the ability to kite and not die in this game, which is why i also jive so well with RJ250. i even enjoy it more cause its a higher skill cap. But for some reason i never see people using it as a kiting tool. sure, you could launch yourself to further places and thats very useful, but its also like each nade is its own "oh shit" dash button AND a wave clearer at the same time. if you find yourself surrounded, just fire a decent bit into the horde while giving yourself a little boop, and you have the not die value and kill value in one shot. i personally take it into haz 5s as my personal fav secondary build and have even saved games and carried with it, but like i said i build around helping my already valuable traits(mediocre aiming and a bit of tunneling but pretty good awareness regardless and decent reactions). ill always advocate rj250 w/ heat as a viable to straight up better depending on how you play, instead of it being the purely for fun OC most peeps seem to think it is.
yeah like, nothing is stopping you from backhopping while also firing into a crowd to rocket yourself backwards while hurting enemies, getting both kill value and mobility. Tho people dont mention that for some reason
@@WolfHack whatever works best for you lol. ive used em all but i personally never really use stubby anymore, never did much. to get you kinda started on how to think about it, personally i dont like turret upkeep, but i also like something thats a consistent strong presence so i have a single eagle turret with extended mag, no reload speed. the reload is fast enough for me already, esp if i use a jump. and i found myself being picky about where i set up for best FOV for my turret, and id even stand where i think is best and look around, and going as far as giving it height with platforms, so when i was making my build it seemed natural to pick those kinds of skills for my turret. but if you are confident in your aiming you may want a build thats completely different.
I miss the doom gunner mod so much. It’s still with the old modding page. Came with a unique OC for the broomstick that really gave it that doom feel. Was it a balanced mod? Hell no. Was it fun? YES.
Great video. Mod and OC breakdowns with build suggestions. Exactly what I want to see. You promote the weapons so well, this video really made me want to pick up the Boomstick again. And it's been so long since I've used the Boomstick, I even thought Double Barrel and Double Trigger were the same thing.. ugh..
I love how you started having Team Fortress 2 music playing when talking about Special Powder. Given that all I've had to do to explain it to people who don't know what it is is say "You know the Force-a-Nature from TF2?" and people instantly get what it does, that's very fitting.
Can you do a vid on the pickaxe? I've been wondering if the damage bonues to weakpoints that some weapons have also apply to the pickaxe while its deployed. I can't tell if its my imagionation, or if my pickaxe does more damage when I have my Subata out. The pickaxe does 11 direct damage, which can and is affected by the weakpoint damage multiplier and 16.5 splash damage, which is not, totaling to 27.5 damage total. A grunt's weakpoint damage multiplier increases damage by two, increasing the 11 direct damage to 22 and therefore the total damage of a pickaxe melee from 27.5 to 38.5. Taking the Subata as the first example I can think of, which can be modded to deal 60% more damage upon hitting a weakpoint (taken from the official DRG fan-wicki, so if its wrong, bite me), meaning that the 22 direct damage would be increased by 60% or multiplied by 1.6, increasing it from 22 to 35.2 and the total damage of the pickaxe melee along with the splash damage to 51.7 damage. However, I really have a hard time telling if the damage I see above the Grunts is 38.5 damage or 51.7.
Admission: I was an _adamant_ user of Quickfire Ejector for quite some time, until I saw the reload math in Lazy's original Beumstykk video. Always thought taking two properly aimed shots and reloading quicker was a better call than Dumping The Mag in the general direction of bugkind, and I stand by that - but the math did not. Tried Double Trigger, and can confirm - it feels _really bad_ at first. The reload animation is Goo Bombers in Bungus Fogs slow, and it SUCKS...but eventually you get used to that and start noticing the faster start of the reload. And you notice you're still mostly killing bugs at the same rate, just have to be careful with DT's tendency to dump the second shot unintentionally if you feather the clicker. Once you get over the innate "Euugh..." of the slower reload animation, DT does the job without issue. I will say that I'm also a longtime user of the Fear mod, but that was before the Drak. Pre-Drak, Scout had kinda donkeyballs wave clear, and being able to scatter bugs occasionally saved my bacon. It was a worthwhile thing to experiment with, but now Scouts have the Drak. With AoE bullets and a Bouncy mod that turns grunt waves into chowder, or a shocky mod that CCs packs whilst also turning them into chowder. The Fear mod still has a place, but it lost a lot of utility if you're an unrepentant Drak whore like I am now. The math behind WP is really good to know, so thanks for that one, LM.
My "Doom Slayer" build revolves around MHD Aggressive Venting and Jumbo Shells with FTBS. To my delight, the massive overlap of constant fear does wonders for thinning hoards and chunking away at them with ease. By the time the feared bugs return you're basically doing a Dio impersonation, questioning the bug's intent to approach you with 80% of the swarm already gone. I'm still tinkering with the grenades. I love IFGs to death but I'm not sure they are necessarily "the play" with a build like this since you already have an insane amount of CC with both of your weapons.
drak is so good. i was a M1K user but the things you can do with the drak now gives me reasons to swap to it from time to time, especially the rewiring overclock + hot feet. gk2 buff when
I like your videos but you should take some care in comparing tier mods to perks like Born Ready. When you say you should be taking Born Ready because it's good with this gun, your evidence also directly favors taking the related tier mod. Instead, you may wish to make a video analyzing the perks and the situations in which they are useful.
He does have one explaining the problems it has along with the ocs, so might not happen again. Still, i do wish we get a more detailed break down on its base stats, which is a huge part of the problem as well.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 I mean a detailed video like this one. I still use the GK2 to this day, but I wanted to watch a detailed video like this one on it.
@@lucasmoreira2418 yeah, i hope so too. His video on it is pretty great, though, so its worth checking out if you havent. I have a pretty comprehensive list of why the gk2 is not competitive compared to the other primaries, but im also trying to identify what its strength are.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 honestly, I tried the DRAK twice and I'm just... Really not a fan. And my aim isn't good enough for the M1000, plus I'm not a big fan of it either. I know people consider the GK2 to be underpowered, but using it with AI Stability Engine works much better for me than any of the other Scout primaries.
@@lucasmoreira2418 i gotta break it to ya, mate. If you dont like the m1k than the gk2 is even worse for you. The gk2 is far more aim intensive because of the poor break points, and though you might feel that it is more forgiving on misses than the m1k due to the ammo count , know that it also has zero capability for crowd control, which with the right mods the m1k can absolutely do. The easy answer is that the gk2 has poor ammo efficiency, but the long story is that it is multifactorial why the ammo efficiency is considered poor. The easy fix i think would be 1) make damage upgrades more meaningful 2)give it an option for blowthrough 3)rework the mod trees to make builds more meaningful.
jumboshells enjoyer here. i can say the trade offs of less ammo and longer reload time are worth the "fuck you" button with the boomstick. i love watching a praetorians health bar fucking crumble when i unload into it
Jesus man, Monika is already dead. But honestly this community is great and all but so many misinformation man. Might be because the information in game presented to us can sometimes not be complete like how some of the stats is not shown. Also so many people get triggered when their builds get called out lmao.
I didn't even wait for you to say "If you've been using Quickfire Ejector, you should switch to Double Trigger immediately", I had already opened up Deep Rock and switched on all 5 slots after your initial example vid.
Really glad to see you looking at all the weapons. It's great to have some math and theory put into practice to come to a better understanding about what works and what playstyle works. Can't wait to see more!
i feel like the "double trigger" should've just been the double barrel mod, and also give you a small boost in ammo as well. The faster fire rate should've just been the boom stick's default
I had the idea to "spice it up" since it already competes closely with other reload or burst OCs by making the shockwave wider and reflect projectiles. Making it a more effective anti-swarmer tool and clutch projectile parry for the double ammo trouble (We ultrakill up in here)
It confuses me why the double-trigger works the way it does, honestly. Maybe they just didn't have code ready to handle consuming two rounds in the same shot? They must do now - just have it mod the shotgun for twice the pellet count, and consume two shells akin to M1000's focus shot.
@@shaunhayes3072 When it comes to reworking old and boring overclocks, they're incredibly slow and hesitant. Just look at all the "random damage" OCs. Who in God's name uses those? Same for all the GK2 OCs which are horribly unbalanced and unfun.
The more of your videos I watch, the more I'm baffled at how DRG is *this* pants-on-head about the way stats and functions work. I've been using Quickfire Ejector for so long only to learn it doesn't do as advertised because of funny hidden reload numbers. That being said, thank you so much for making videos like this that not only set the record straight, but also goes the extra mile in DEMONSTRATING that your word is true. And on a similar note, thank you for the update videos whenever a patch retroactively changes things you show in a previous video.
Shaped shells is very nice I love that overclock but don't use it because on Xbox I'm not sure for PC but on Xbox you don't always get the hipfire reduction. Some mission you do other missions you don't which when you don't it's practically worthless at that point. You lose the whole meaning of the overclock plus ammo! It's been like this for a while which makes me kinda sad they haven't done anything too it since before update 34
If it weren't for the recent taser bolt fixes/buffs making the crossbow so much fun, this video would make me want to switch back to the broomstick. Also great music choices for every single section 👌
hm, doubt any glance will be given to this but wonder if doublebarrel is better now that it got a double the shockwave damage (from 20 base to 40 but since 2 shots -at once- extremely quickly that goes up to 80, or 160 if you pick up increased shockwave damage in 4)
im slowly learning not to trust what drg says in their tool tips from your videos. it seems pretty obvs now tbh but in pretty much everyone of your rundown videos has at least one case of "and oh yeah this mod just strait up lies to your face and doesnt work like that"
Afaik, that reload delay thing is a quite common way to program reloads into games, TF2 also has that for example; if you pay attention the first reload on a gun that has multiple shots to reload. This is less noticeable tho, because reload canceling is inherent in TF2, and as such isn’t as punishing. The simplest fix for this would be removing the delay for the last shot on weapons. The delay should stay otherwise tho, it’s there for a reason.
A good first step with double barrel would be making it work more simply, i.e. actually firing both shots at once. They could do this pretty easily under the hood, set each shot to consume 2 ammo like charge shots so the effective "magazine" is one shot, and add a +100% pellet count to simulate the second shot. No more wonkiness like the thawing and better effective spread since no mid-shot recoil. I mean it's still almost the same but at least it'd more intuitive and distinct from double trigger without any significant effort needed, fine tuning could come after.
Yes. If it worked like zhuks/minigun it'd make the recoil better, make it interact with frozen targets more intuitively, and be more understandable in general. Since they've been tinkering with more alternate firing modes lately, they could also make you toggle between single shot and double shot with R, making it actually a true clean OC.
The "i want to end [x]" button (If you are whondering wath is [x],just take your predominant index finger and point at whatsoever "gunable" thing in your general line of sight")
I'm so glad to hear you're doing more of these. I love how in depth and thorough these guides are. I have around 600 and a half hours on DRG by now and I never knew about a lot of the information you make light of in these videos; for example damage type percentages, resistances, the reload issue with the boomstick mod, and especially blistering necrosis pre-patch. Anyways, thank you for continuing this series, I can't wait to see what's next!
I used to run Double Trigger a lot. I kinda forgot why I switched to Quickfire. Like, idk what switched in my head that made me go 'hrm, this is better' - when DT was working fine for me before. A part of me thinks it happened because I went hard into being a Gunner main and lost track of how good DT actually was when I finally rotated back to playing Scout for a few missions. Went "Why does this feel so bad...?" and then switched to Quickfire. Seems like something I'd do. That DT vs Quickfire revelation is gonna force some growing pains for sure.
kind of a side note thing that i used to do with the shotgun and epc, the fire effects that can be applied to these weapons and others far as i know can burn those random spider webs you sometimes see in caves. they can be kind of anoying to run into, obscruing your vision and slowing you down. if u shoot these with 1 shot from shotgun/epc they will melt. i cant speak for other weapons with fire exept crisper obviously but they should burn webs. funny enough tho there doesent seem to be an animation for burning the web on anything but the crisper atleast when ur not the host it just disapears after a few seconds but is classified as immidaitly destoryed upon shooting so u can fire and walk though and not be effected, despite it still being there for a few more seconds then gone.
I like playing games based off feel, and don't like getting into the nitty gritty details (I'll never use damage numbers display mod) so I very much appreciate videos like this
Very good and informational video, however I feel like the T3 stun mod didn't get enough justice. It's not just "a bit more stun time", it more than doubles the stun duration and as you can see in your clip when talking about this mod, the original 2.5 seconds are not even enough to fully kill a warden, you can see it's moving again before you manage to kill it. The longer stun works especially well with bullets of mercy, keeping the enemies completely still while you unload your magazine into their weakpoint, but it's also very convenient for any other primary built for weakpoint damage. And while it's true that +20% stun chance is not noticeable up close, it allows you to really consistently stun things across the entire cave as the stun is pretty much guaranteed even if very few pellets hit the target. This works especially well against menaces to stop them from hiding or even wardens far away on walls so you have a very clear shot on their weakpoint instead of having a wall of buffed grunts between yourself and them. Overall, if you are already building the boomstick for utility with special powder, instead of going for full damage potential, I think that stun mod is really worth considering, with blowthrough mod and gun's base shockwave its still decent for clearing swarmers and grunt waves while also allowing you to stun larger targets for easy shots with single-target-built primary.
I have a question regarding the reload time. How does the quickfire ejector fare if you fire both shots, but immediately switch to a different weapon, then change back? I find this situation to be reasonably common, since the boomstick is a very bursty weapon so you often want to empty the mag then switch to your primary. If you switch back to the shotgun in this situation, does the reload speed work as intended or does the fire rate speed still apply? This may not make the mod worth picking if it did work, but at least would be interesting to know.
@@LazyMaybe thank you. I suppose that means quickfire ejector is "technically" better if you have a habit of switching weapons as soon as you empty the clip. Having this oversight resolved is definitely the desirable thing but at least its interesting to know that.
@@NekuZX That's true, but generally speaking in that case you're better off running Born Ready(which is a great perk anyways) and letting it reload automatically while you use your primary, and then you can do more burst damage with double trigger.
12313 special powder has been my permanent scout secondary for a long long time ammo because ammo reload speed for quicker reloading mid-air more pellets for increasing stun chance penetration for better swarm clear and incendiary because heat and fire spread are great this build also ignites praetorians and oppressors in two shots I only swap out t5 heat for elimination because heat is useless against dreads and they also resist fire damage
@@aarepelaa1142 it does help, and using your weapon for both combat and non-combat you really should be efficient with your ammo, so going for maximum fire rate instead of carefully aiming every shot is wasteful reload speed fits my playstyle much better, I don't find myself reloading instantly after shooting anyway so the shorter delay before reloading that high fire rate provides doesn't affect me
@@VorpalSword9 he doesn't reload instantly, so the faster time to start reloading is ignored. He might shotgun blast, then zip/hoverclock, and then reload after all that.
I've long thought that the DRG devs have some very subtle things in this game that make you feel like you're playing doom just a little bit. I like to role play as the doom guy with engie using the smg and fatboy grenade launcher. Shotgun now works with the pump action mod lol
I’d like to add something to the double trigger/quick-fire ejector part. Even if you DON’T want to shoot anything (movement with the special powder overclock), double trigger is better. It allows for better in air control and it’s easier to cancel fall damage quickly.
you know, i always wished DB was good but what is effectively: 2x pellets +1 dmg .5x ammo max .5x "clip" size .5x total blastwave damage (which does hurt in raw damage per shot when it's only 40 damage rather than 80 based on my own build since it goes from 176+80 to 176+40.) if i were to give it the true unstable capability it deserves it would be this. 4x pellets 3x blast wave damage .6x reload timer .5x ammo max .5x "clip" size 1.2x spread is this busted as all hell? probably. do i care? NO. it's fun, fits what people what to create out of double barrel, and similar to jumbo shells, is designed for giving the finger to bigger targets while also enticing people to risk it all to just deal massive fuck off damage. (also indirectly buffs speed ejector or whatever it's called)
What the fuck is up with video games tying reload delays to fucking fire rate all the time??? There's so many shooters I play where upgrading fire rate lets you reload faster than upgrading reload speed AND IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE I DISLIKE IT VERY STRONGLY. Also great video as always LazyMaybe, I appreciate the hard work that goes into your analysis videos.
19:33 - "Remember, Son. Dying is Gey." *Special Powders into the Sunet* 22:25 - The Shotgun made for Annihilation of Bugs everywhere. *My Signature Warcrime Weapon >:)* (I forgot to add Loud Angry Ape Noises to further emphasize the "Unga Bunga" part. Here you go.)
I usually go with the max damage route, with double sized buckshot, high capacity shells, and armor breaking. I do this because I mainly use the boom stick on beefy and armoured enemies. I usually forget to use it for the regular grunts.
edit: As of season 4, boomstick now has a fixed reload delay of 0.4s: ua-cam.com/video/JyBZNxHvtS4/v-deo.html
This is a reupload because for some reason the processing got stuck the first time.
Sorry to BeavisOfArabia for catching a stray there, in retrospect I was mostly just irritated at the person calling everyone else dumb while they were completely misinterpreting the SCC tooltip.
(But also, please try things out before recommending them.)
Other drg test/info videos: ua-cam.com/play/PLqTo6tQ9tCOrABARyls3C94qzGo6TW3h_.html
You could always just cut out the name and profile pic of the comment. Gets the point across that the sentiment is out there without putting anyone in specific in the spotlight.
@@sponger59381 Correct, cryo does not apply environmental cold.
Solid music choice for the beginning btw.
Can you tell what’s that mod map where you’re testing all guns in your guides pls?
@@dataflex6528 It's a room you can spawn in using sandbox utilities.
Starts talking about special powder.
Rocket jump waltz starts playing.
I love this channel.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it was awesome
I got the biggest fucking grin. Especially since whenever I'm explaining what this OC is to people who don't know about it I just have to say "You know the Force-a-Nature from TF2?" and so far everyone I've said that to has understood what it does.
The force a nature on bath salts
@@aperturescienceguy2737 slide some of that red sugar in the pellets to make you fly away
@@TheDaxter11 gun from half-life that shoots through walls!
I am a firm believer that "Unga Bunga Super Damage" weapons are some of the funnest in the game
- Hyper Propellent/Jumbo Shells User
Those mods really turn the M1 key into Del instead.
- Hyper Propellent/Jumbo Shells Enjoyer*
Reject Double Barrel, return to Monke Shells.
*Ook Ook*
Try max damage upgrades with Volatile Bullets on the Bulldog for maximum unga bunga on anything you can set on fire
@@roguereaver634 Not Unga Bunga enough, too much brain power.
*Ook Ook*
Your thorough testing and dry humour has quickly made this one of my favourite DRG channels. Keep up the great work!
I love Calvin and Hobbes
I second this. However, LazyMaybe is the best, hands down.
If you don't want to die you shouldn't eat precious minerals ⛏️😈
Yes! I rewatched every weapon breakdown here at least twice and still view them
He didnt keep up the good work 😢
I loved your polite little rant about people making assumptions or simply spreading false information.
I spent thousands of hours mathing out all of the damage interactions and testing practical uses of skills/weapons in the Monster Hunter series. People would ask for help farming gear and designing a set to help them improve and then proceed to argue against my every suggestion. Sigh, I loved helping but it felt like a war against ignorance at times.
One stat at a time man, you're doing great work. Thanks for these awesome uploads.
Monster hunter players are too blinded by the communities collective masochism to listen to your reasoning
War against ignorance... War against ignorance never changes :D
Unfortunately, same ignorant kind of people play any game. MMORPGs, MOBAs, you name it.
I just don't understand the people that ask for help then argue against said help. They clearly don't know what theyre doing; if they did then they wouldn't ask for help. So why do they act like they know more than whoever they're asking for help?
Dude I think I’ve actually referred to your stuff, thanks for your service :)
Mh be like that some times
The beginning rant of this video does a good job of highlighting my persistent issues with GSG's weapon balance philosophy. They seem to be perfectly content to leave things objectively unbalanced so long as enough players are using the weaker option. Even if the whole reason players use that option is due to sheer ignorance.
Here's hoping this video can gain some traction and impact the pick rates on Quickfire Ejector enough for GSG to do something about it. But in a world where they've left the poor GK2 essentially untouched for several years I just don't see it happening.
I want a larger weakspot multiplier on AI stability engine.
@@alphateam6580 AISE just isn't worth the downsides even if you're insane at aiming, let alone if you're the average player. GSG *seems* to want to give the average players an easy time with the skill based weapons, so why leave AISE so mediocre?
@@turmspitzewerk oh how things will change for season 3 lol
I prefer the statistically weaker option (quickfire ejector) because of the gameplay feel. it feels like I'm wasting my second shot most of the time by missing
rocket jump waltz fit so well when you were talking about special powder.
edit: I'm talking about 19:34
He didn't have to do it, but he did, and I'm glad he did.
RIP Rick May.
Rip rick may, gone but not forgotten
Was looking to see if someone commented on this and I am proud that DRG and TF2 are both amazing games and community.
@@Sky-bg5wt i have more than 750 hours into tf2 and has started playing drg quite a bit lately. even thought tf2 has been suffering quite a bit lately it will never leave my memory :]
Godspeech you magnificent bastard.
UPDATE: DOUBLE BARREL HAS BEEN REWORKED AND IS NOW A VERY FUN AND STRONG UNSTABLE OC WHICH BOOSTS YOUR SHOCKWAVE DAMAGE BY A LOT
ADDITIONALLY, THE TIER 2 RELOAD BUG HAS BEEN FIXED.
Yeah, finally a reason to take double blast wave. Combined with max ammo, it's actually really ammo efficient now.
0:56 oh wow, I didnt know that! the entire reason why I use zhukovs is because I thought they were better at killing swarmers than boomstick. One minute into the video and I already learned something new.
Can't wait for the videos on the other weapons.
Well, Zhukovs are still better for killing swarmers in terms of ammo economy. The shockwave just helps the boomstick not be entirely useless at it.
The Zukov's are better at quickly picking of smaller numbers of swarmers with precision shots, a Boomstick Shot however is utter waste against smaller amounts of Swarmers .It's Shockwave can technically kill large amounts of swarmers with one shot, if they are clumped up enough. But in reality that doesn't happen all that often and when if it does, Zukov's still perform more then adequately by going full auto on them, just like you would with Drak or GK2. I might be biased against using it that way because I am a Jumbo-Shell Enjoyer, which obviously makes the wasted potential a lot higher.
TLDR, they both have their upsides in dealing with swarmers, and I wouldn't say the Boomstick is better in that regard. It's a valid option thou if you are taking it for other reasons anyhow.
I used them for that but now I like headpopping grunts with them as well, though cryo bolts crossbow is so nice
i find zhukovs to be pretty trash at killing swarmers just because of how small they are + spread however i do find them to be much more efficient at killing grunts for the ammo spent
Think of it like this. If there is a Swarmagedon where so many small buggers are going to overwhelm you, the Boomstick is a really solid secondary to have.
Love your weapon breakdown videos, i find that a lot of the in game text doesn't fully explain weapon dmg and interactions so your videos help a lot!
Special powder ruined every other scout secondary for me. I feel so immobile without it.
Bruh same the added mobility just makes scout feel scout like I just can’t get away from the starting rifle with AI stability engine (I think it’s called that) and a special powder double barrel sprinkle in a little battle frenzy on the rifle and you have just really solid damage and mobility
The amount of hidden, counterintuitive or just wonky interactions and oftentimes bad tooltips makes these videos an invaluable resource.
Also, I think your style is just perfect for these. Definitely looking forward to the next video.
P.S
Thanks for getting Blistering Necrosis fixed, it's quite fun to use now.
Chad move to say the plural of Mactera is Mactera. The official pronunciation is Macteras but saying Mactera as the plural just sounds so much better
Finally a video that explains the reload speed in DRG. I kept seeing numerical values for reloading speed and rate of fire and always assumed they were flat values in seconds, but not 1/(value) = x seconds for each stat.
To be clear the reload stat is just in seconds, so the default 2 on boomstick is 2 seconds long.
Meanwhile the 'rate of fire stat' is 'how many times can this fire in one second', which is why you can represent it as '1/X=seconds of delay'. (And then this also, unfortunately, determines reload delay.)
Have you tried new double barrel? Once it got reworked it went from one of my least favorite to one of my favorite ocs for the boom stick
14:58
”Your boomstick jump killed 47 innocent lootbugs.
Someone has to pay for your crimes, Scout.
Who's it gonna be?”
*_- _**_-Driller-_**_ Gunner_*
absolutely demolished those commenters Lol
Deep Rock is such a weird game, as that you always find out that something isn't working as shown on paper. Never would've assumed that attack speed factors into reload time.
Good video and gave me a lot of insight into this weapon I never managed to get warm with. I probably still won't use it much, but at least I do know some things if I decide to now.
"Oh you know, just gonna do these for fun because people enjoy them even though they are old weapons and everyone know's everything"
Proceeds to blow peoples minds with Double Trigger fuckery explained in detail.
Love your content dude, keep it up :D
wouldn't quickfire ejector be better for someone who likes to fire their weapon, switch to their other weapon, melee attack, or grapple and then reload after?
Just use the born ready perk if you like switching your weapons instead of reloading
In that case (and in general)I would strongly recommend using born ready to reload it passively, and have the option to fure twice quickly with double trigger.
@@LazyMaybe Objectively, i understand why that makes perfect sense and completely get why this would be the optimal build
personally, considering the carbine is my go-to weapon of choice it feels really weird taking born ready just to use it for only one weapon, If one of my weapon is a re-charge weapon over a reload weapon I only would consider taking born ready if one of those two weapons just is really really really slow to reload,
normally i'd take the T5 mod that's bascially built in born ready, but you may or may not have convinced me to perma-lock T5 into Fire shells, bc damn fire shotgun is cool
These weapon breakdowns are extremely helpful for new players like me, most of the videos like this are years old and outdated
Not to mention, they aren't anywhere near as in-depth as these go. I've watched build guides that tell you to use the things Lazy has proven are terrible. I bet there's plenty of Scout guides with Quickfire Ejector in there.
Maybe I'm an idiot, but didn't they completely replace the double-barrel overclock with an Unstable Equivalent that ACTUALLY does what it's supposed to?
yes they did, the video is old and he went over the change in another video
good lord, that was 5 months ago?
time flies when you're shootin' bugs
@@annihilator_ron7691 Thanks, and sorry for being late to that party.
@@aquamarinerose5405 doublebarrel is great nowdays. on scout i get big multikills since blast wave deletes anything in front of you, treat it like a very short range breach cutter
Double barrel should just double the pellet count and shockwave damage then ammo count to 1shot per reload and ammo by 50%
Brother, I think you just got plagiarized by GSG
The fear mod might sound bad on paper, but it can be extremely handy in a real game. Scout can struggle with sustained damage due to being constantly swarmed (and so he has to grapple away and find his footing again), but shooting with this mod in the midst of a swarm can give scout the breathing room to take out praetorians, wardens, etc with his primary.
I would agree with you... if it was consistent. But you can't rely on fear to give you breathing room if the fear chance isn't 100%, you have to either risk getting chomped or grapple away anyway. And white phosphorus is completely broken, so...
@@VorpalSword9 Can be annoying when using cryo nades or having a cryo focussed team. But since cryo is a lot less present these days, I would agree.
@@VorpalSword9 Although white phosphorous does more damage, I think the utility of fear is more appealing to scouts like me who want a more "grounded" playstyle instead of grappling around every 5 seconds during a fight.
The fear mod also helps if you run cryo grenades since white phosphorous will revert the frozen state and ruin the 3x damage multiplier.
@@shaunhayes3072 Consider the fact that it's 50% fear *per shot* , meaning firing 2 shots in quick succession increases the likeliness of enemies fleeing. Also consider that you're killing swaths of bugs just by doing so (assuming blowthrough rounds). You're essentially a human shield as long as you keep shooting.
Also there are plenty of situations where you'd want to stay grounded, pretty much anytime you have to be defensive, i.e. drilldozer missions, salvage missions, hacking missions, etc.
It's hard to explain how reliable the fear mod is with just words. I suggest trying it out in-game, it truly does make a difference. I've been using it for two months now and never went back to white phosphorous.
It's 50% fear per shot-BEFORE resists.
Most enemies(including all grunt variants) have at least 50% fear resist. So against most enemies, it's only actually a 25% chance to inflict fear per shot.
Man, the amount of work you put in those videos is astounding, I'm in love with them.
There might be a chance they'll fix the reload delay problem after this, because the devs seem to pay attention to your channel, as they said during the last DevStream that your Wave Cooker video was a great help on fixing the Blistering Necrosis OC (if you want to check, they start talking about it at 11:55, and you're directly mentioned at 12:32).
I use double barrel because I’m wrong 🚬🗿
I have a couple hundred hours and I'm over level 100 and I'm kinda ashamed how much new stuff I learned here.
After my total greenbeard phase I never really used it because it felt so weak compared to zhukov's with cryo minelets OC, but knowing all this now (especially the firerate problem) I can't wait to try it out once more after such a long time (especially once I get special powder).
Thanks! :)
I have almost 1600 hours in this game and am still learning stuff. Don't be afraid to try out everything, cause guns can go through many changes and builds that make them very good. Whats most important is that whatever build you run you can play it comfortably and thus be a benefit to the team.
There is no shame in having lots to learn about this game even past 200 hours. Lots of stuff there is poorly-worded, and the game is a casual co-op FPS. I do keep finding new stuff out even past 2k.
I think the problem when it comes with testing out builds in the field vs testing them out on paper is that players don’t test them out on high enough difficulties. If it works on haz 4/5, it’ll work on haz 2. If it works on haz 2, it won’t necessarily work on haz 4, and probably won’t work on haz 5
I saw this uploaded earlier, now I can watch it lets goooo
im one of those ppl where i perform better when i make a build based on the playstyle i naturally lean into. Special powder has superior mobility even without it being on scout. Theres huge value in the ability to kite and not die in this game, which is why i also jive so well with RJ250. i even enjoy it more cause its a higher skill cap. But for some reason i never see people using it as a kiting tool. sure, you could launch yourself to further places and thats very useful, but its also like each nade is its own "oh shit" dash button AND a wave clearer at the same time. if you find yourself surrounded, just fire a decent bit into the horde while giving yourself a little boop, and you have the not die value and kill value in one shot. i personally take it into haz 5s as my personal fav secondary build and have even saved games and carried with it, but like i said i build around helping my already valuable traits(mediocre aiming and a bit of tunneling but pretty good awareness regardless and decent reactions). ill always advocate rj250 w/ heat as a viable to straight up better depending on how you play, instead of it being the purely for fun OC most peeps seem to think it is.
yeah like, nothing is stopping you from backhopping while also firing into a crowd to rocket yourself backwards while hurting enemies, getting both kill value and mobility. Tho people dont mention that for some reason
What primary builds do you like to use with RJ250?
@@WolfHack whatever works best for you lol. ive used em all but i personally never really use stubby anymore, never did much. to get you kinda started on how to think about it, personally i dont like turret upkeep, but i also like something thats a consistent strong presence so i have a single eagle turret with extended mag, no reload speed. the reload is fast enough for me already, esp if i use a jump. and i found myself being picky about where i set up for best FOV for my turret, and id even stand where i think is best and look around, and going as far as giving it height with platforms, so when i was making my build it seemed natural to pick those kinds of skills for my turret. but if you are confident in your aiming you may want a build thats completely different.
I miss the doom gunner mod so much. It’s still with the old modding page. Came with a unique OC for the broomstick that really gave it that doom feel. Was it a balanced mod? Hell no. Was it fun? YES.
Great video. Mod and OC breakdowns with build suggestions. Exactly what I want to see. You promote the weapons so well, this video really made me want to pick up the Boomstick again. And it's been so long since I've used the Boomstick, I even thought Double Barrel and Double Trigger were the same thing.. ugh..
I love how you started having Team Fortress 2 music playing when talking about Special Powder. Given that all I've had to do to explain it to people who don't know what it is is say "You know the Force-a-Nature from TF2?" and people instantly get what it does, that's very fitting.
_The Rocket Jump Waltz_ cutting in at 19:32 was perfect. I trust this will return when covering the PGL.
Can you do a vid on the pickaxe?
I've been wondering if the damage bonues to weakpoints that some weapons have also apply to the pickaxe while its deployed.
I can't tell if its my imagionation, or if my pickaxe does more damage when I have my Subata out.
The pickaxe does 11 direct damage, which can and is affected by the weakpoint damage multiplier and 16.5 splash damage, which is not, totaling to 27.5 damage total.
A grunt's weakpoint damage multiplier increases damage by two, increasing the 11 direct damage to 22 and therefore the total damage of a pickaxe melee from 27.5 to 38.5.
Taking the Subata as the first example I can think of, which can be modded to deal 60% more damage upon hitting a weakpoint (taken from the official DRG fan-wicki, so if its wrong, bite me), meaning that the 22 direct damage would be increased by 60% or multiplied by 1.6, increasing it from 22 to 35.2 and the total damage of the pickaxe melee along with the splash damage to 51.7 damage.
However, I really have a hard time telling if the damage I see above the Grunts is 38.5 damage or 51.7.
best DRG content on the platform
Admission: I was an _adamant_ user of Quickfire Ejector for quite some time, until I saw the reload math in Lazy's original Beumstykk video. Always thought taking two properly aimed shots and reloading quicker was a better call than Dumping The Mag in the general direction of bugkind, and I stand by that - but the math did not. Tried Double Trigger, and can confirm - it feels _really bad_ at first. The reload animation is Goo Bombers in Bungus Fogs slow, and it SUCKS...but eventually you get used to that and start noticing the faster start of the reload. And you notice you're still mostly killing bugs at the same rate, just have to be careful with DT's tendency to dump the second shot unintentionally if you feather the clicker. Once you get over the innate "Euugh..." of the slower reload animation, DT does the job without issue.
I will say that I'm also a longtime user of the Fear mod, but that was before the Drak. Pre-Drak, Scout had kinda donkeyballs wave clear, and being able to scatter bugs occasionally saved my bacon. It was a worthwhile thing to experiment with, but now Scouts have the Drak. With AoE bullets and a Bouncy mod that turns grunt waves into chowder, or a shocky mod that CCs packs whilst also turning them into chowder. The Fear mod still has a place, but it lost a lot of utility if you're an unrepentant Drak whore like I am now. The math behind WP is really good to know, so thanks for that one, LM.
My "Doom Slayer" build revolves around MHD Aggressive Venting and Jumbo Shells with FTBS.
To my delight, the massive overlap of constant fear does wonders for thinning hoards and chunking away at them with ease. By the time the feared bugs return you're basically doing a Dio impersonation, questioning the bug's intent to approach you with 80% of the swarm already gone.
I'm still tinkering with the grenades. I love IFGs to death but I'm not sure they are necessarily "the play" with a build like this since you already have an insane amount of CC with both of your weapons.
drak is so good. i was a M1K user but the things you can do with the drak now gives me reasons to swap to it from time to time, especially the rewiring overclock + hot feet. gk2 buff when
23:16 scout’s voice lines go really well with the doom ost
I like your videos but you should take some care in comparing tier mods to perks like Born Ready. When you say you should be taking Born Ready because it's good with this gun, your evidence also directly favors taking the related tier mod. Instead, you may wish to make a video analyzing the perks and the situations in which they are useful.
That was great. Can't wait for a video on the GK2 and the Gunner primaries.
He does have one explaining the problems it has along with the ocs, so might not happen again. Still, i do wish we get a more detailed break down on its base stats, which is a huge part of the problem as well.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 I mean a detailed video like this one. I still use the GK2 to this day, but I wanted to watch a detailed video like this one on it.
@@lucasmoreira2418 yeah, i hope so too. His video on it is pretty great, though, so its worth checking out if you havent. I have a pretty comprehensive list of why the gk2 is not competitive compared to the other primaries, but im also trying to identify what its strength are.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 honestly, I tried the DRAK twice and I'm just... Really not a fan. And my aim isn't good enough for the M1000, plus I'm not a big fan of it either. I know people consider the GK2 to be underpowered, but using it with AI Stability Engine works much better for me than any of the other Scout primaries.
@@lucasmoreira2418 i gotta break it to ya, mate. If you dont like the m1k than the gk2 is even worse for you. The gk2 is far more aim intensive because of the poor break points, and though you might feel that it is more forgiving on misses than the m1k due to the ammo count , know that it also has zero capability for crowd control, which with the right mods the m1k can absolutely do. The easy answer is that the gk2 has poor ammo efficiency, but the long story is that it is multifactorial why the ammo efficiency is considered poor. The easy fix i think would be 1) make damage upgrades more meaningful 2)give it an option for blowthrough 3)rework the mod trees to make builds more meaningful.
jumboshells enjoyer here. i can say the trade offs of less ammo and longer reload time are worth the "fuck you" button with the boomstick. i love watching a praetorians health bar fucking crumble when i unload into it
YES THANK YOU!!!!!! I cannot wait for the rest of the weapon breakdowns. They're so useful to understanding how the weapons actually work
Is this video still up to date? Wondering since I am a new player :)
Yup, this hasn't changed.
This video is awesome, but I’m not sure if anything’s been changed. Does anyone know?
Jesus man, Monika is already dead.
But honestly this community is great and all but so many misinformation man. Might be because the information in game presented to us can sometimes not be complete like how some of the stats is not shown. Also so many people get triggered when their builds get called out lmao.
Please do an updated boomstick video! It's way different now that they disconnected RoF from reload on it, and changed how Double Barrel works. :)
Damnit man, rocket jump waltz will always get to me after 2020 no matter the context
I didn't even wait for you to say "If you've been using Quickfire Ejector, you should switch to Double Trigger immediately", I had already opened up Deep Rock and switched on all 5 slots after your initial example vid.
Quickly firing and emptying the barrels = faster reload
It's just better
Most DRG dwarves subvert the trope of dwarves being wise, but not this guy.
Question: Is Special Piwder still viable on console?
I like to bring shaped shells maxed for4 damage on escort missions, 2 shots can pop a rock.
Really glad to see you looking at all the weapons. It's great to have some math and theory put into practice to come to a better understanding about what works and what playstyle works.
Can't wait to see more!
Love your passive aggressive responses to idiotic comments. You chose violence today im here for it
i feel like the "double trigger" should've just been the double barrel mod, and also give you a small boost in ammo as well.
The faster fire rate should've just been the boom stick's default
I had the idea to "spice it up" since it already competes closely with other reload or burst OCs by making the shockwave wider and reflect projectiles. Making it a more effective anti-swarmer tool and clutch projectile parry for the double ammo trouble (We ultrakill up in here)
@@alfonshedstrom9859 Reflecting projectiles? That sounds way too fun for Ghost Ship to ever implement it
It confuses me why the double-trigger works the way it does, honestly. Maybe they just didn't have code ready to handle consuming two rounds in the same shot?
They must do now - just have it mod the shotgun for twice the pellet count, and consume two shells akin to M1000's focus shot.
@@shaunhayes3072 When it comes to reworking old and boring overclocks, they're incredibly slow and hesitant. Just look at all the "random damage" OCs. Who in God's name uses those? Same for all the GK2 OCs which are horribly unbalanced and unfun.
The more of your videos I watch, the more I'm baffled at how DRG is *this* pants-on-head about the way stats and functions work. I've been using Quickfire Ejector for so long only to learn it doesn't do as advertised because of funny hidden reload numbers.
That being said, thank you so much for making videos like this that not only set the record straight, but also goes the extra mile in DEMONSTRATING that your word is true. And on a similar note, thank you for the update videos whenever a patch retroactively changes things you show in a previous video.
These are really valuable to me, explaining mechanics that I never even realized were there
Sometimes you just need a good old fashioned double barreled shotgun.
As of season 4, the fire rate reload thing is fixed.
19:40
"I'm a force a' nature!" - scout gaming
Shaped shells is very nice I love that overclock but don't use it because on Xbox I'm not sure for PC but on Xbox you don't always get the hipfire reduction. Some mission you do other missions you don't which when you don't it's practically worthless at that point. You lose the whole meaning of the overclock plus ammo! It's been like this for a while which makes me kinda sad they haven't done anything too it since before update 34
If it weren't for the recent taser bolt fixes/buffs making the crossbow so much fun, this video would make me want to switch back to the broomstick. Also great music choices for every single section 👌
hm, doubt any glance will be given to this but wonder if doublebarrel is better now that it got a double the shockwave damage (from 20 base to 40 but since 2 shots -at once- extremely quickly that goes up to 80, or 160 if you pick up increased shockwave damage in 4)
@Buzz Buzz I mean, now it is
Might actually try out the boomstick again. The zuccs and xbow have been hogging my attention
Dude how is this the first of your videos I've seen?
Love the in-depth analysis!
I NEVER noticed that Double Trigger mod thing. omg i've been lied to forever.
I hope they add more OC for guns in general tbh
Loved the doom music in the montage at the end
Oh man, the background tracks, the sarcasm, the Moral Orel...perfection! ❤
0:44 Molly out here dodging bullets
im slowly learning not to trust what drg says in their tool tips from your videos. it seems pretty obvs now tbh but in pretty much everyone of your rundown videos has at least one case of "and oh yeah this mod just strait up lies to your face and doesnt work like that"
i wonder if it would be hard to make a mod that rewords some of the tool tips and stuff.
I can't play Scout anymore without using Jury as a pogo hopper
Afaik, that reload delay thing is a quite common way to program reloads into games, TF2 also has that for example; if you pay attention the first reload on a gun that has multiple shots to reload. This is less noticeable tho, because reload canceling is inherent in TF2, and as such isn’t as punishing.
The simplest fix for this would be removing the delay for the last shot on weapons. The delay should stay otherwise tho, it’s there for a reason.
Double barrel should give an ammo boost, so it's like trifork volley in function
A good first step with double barrel would be making it work more simply, i.e. actually firing both shots at once. They could do this pretty easily under the hood, set each shot to consume 2 ammo like charge shots so the effective "magazine" is one shot, and add a +100% pellet count to simulate the second shot. No more wonkiness like the thawing and better effective spread since no mid-shot recoil. I mean it's still almost the same but at least it'd more intuitive and distinct from double trigger without any significant effort needed, fine tuning could come after.
Yes. If it worked like zhuks/minigun it'd make the recoil better, make it interact with frozen targets more intuitively, and be more understandable in general.
Since they've been tinkering with more alternate firing modes lately, they could also make you toggle between single shot and double shot with R, making it actually a true clean OC.
jumbo shells with max ammo... massive damage with 32 shots.
The "i want to end [x]" button
(If you are whondering wath is [x],just take your predominant index finger and point at whatsoever "gunable" thing in your general line of sight")
I'm so glad to hear you're doing more of these. I love how in depth and thorough these guides are. I have around 600 and a half hours on DRG by now and I never knew about a lot of the information you make light of in these videos; for example damage type percentages, resistances, the reload issue with the boomstick mod, and especially blistering necrosis pre-patch. Anyways, thank you for continuing this series, I can't wait to see what's next!
a shotgun review with a classic doom ost as a bgm? what could be more perfect
I used to run Double Trigger a lot. I kinda forgot why I switched to Quickfire. Like, idk what switched in my head that made me go 'hrm, this is better' - when DT was working fine for me before. A part of me thinks it happened because I went hard into being a Gunner main and lost track of how good DT actually was when I finally rotated back to playing Scout for a few missions. Went "Why does this feel so bad...?" and then switched to Quickfire. Seems like something I'd do. That DT vs Quickfire revelation is gonna force some growing pains for sure.
kind of a side note thing that i used to do with the shotgun and epc, the fire effects that can be applied to these weapons and others far as i know can burn those random spider webs you sometimes see in caves. they can be kind of anoying to run into, obscruing your vision and slowing you down. if u shoot these with 1 shot from shotgun/epc they will melt. i cant speak for other weapons with fire exept crisper obviously but they should burn webs. funny enough tho there doesent seem to be an animation for burning the web on anything but the crisper atleast when ur not the host it just disapears after a few seconds but is classified as immidaitly destoryed upon shooting so u can fire and walk though and not be effected, despite it still being there for a few more seconds then gone.
I like playing games based off feel, and don't like getting into the nitty gritty details (I'll never use damage numbers display mod) so I very much appreciate videos like this
Got a question, since season 3 is out is the quick fire issue fixed?
No, it's still the same.
PSA to anyone finding this later: the Double Barrel OC has been heavily reworked in season 4, as covered on this channel, and is quite good now
Very good and informational video, however I feel like the T3 stun mod didn't get enough justice.
It's not just "a bit more stun time", it more than doubles the stun duration and as you can see in your clip when talking about this mod, the original 2.5 seconds are not even enough to fully kill a warden, you can see it's moving again before you manage to kill it.
The longer stun works especially well with bullets of mercy, keeping the enemies completely still while you unload your magazine into their weakpoint, but it's also very convenient for any other primary built for weakpoint damage.
And while it's true that +20% stun chance is not noticeable up close, it allows you to really consistently stun things across the entire cave as the stun is pretty much guaranteed even if very few pellets hit the target. This works especially well against menaces to stop them from hiding or even wardens far away on walls so you have a very clear shot on their weakpoint instead of having a wall of buffed grunts between yourself and them.
Overall, if you are already building the boomstick for utility with special powder, instead of going for full damage potential, I think that stun mod is really worth considering, with blowthrough mod and gun's base shockwave its still decent for clearing swarmers and grunt waves while also allowing you to stun larger targets for easy shots with single-target-built primary.
Well, I am gonna switch out Quickfire Ejector with Double Trigger now when I've seen the difference.
Reupload?
Yeah there were some audio issues from the last time
I have a question regarding the reload time. How does the quickfire ejector fare if you fire both shots, but immediately switch to a different weapon, then change back?
I find this situation to be reasonably common, since the boomstick is a very bursty weapon so you often want to empty the mag then switch to your primary.
If you switch back to the shotgun in this situation, does the reload speed work as intended or does the fire rate speed still apply?
This may not make the mod worth picking if it did work, but at least would be interesting to know.
The fire rate delay before shooting or reloading only matters if you just fired the gun.
@@LazyMaybe thank you. I suppose that means quickfire ejector is "technically" better if you have a habit of switching weapons as soon as you empty the clip.
Having this oversight resolved is definitely the desirable thing but at least its interesting to know that.
@@NekuZX That's true, but generally speaking in that case you're better off running Born Ready(which is a great perk anyways) and letting it reload automatically while you use your primary, and then you can do more burst damage with double trigger.
12313 special powder has been my permanent scout secondary for a long long time
ammo because ammo
reload speed for quicker reloading mid-air
more pellets for increasing stun chance
penetration for better swarm clear
and incendiary because heat and fire spread are great
this build also ignites praetorians and oppressors in two shots
I only swap out t5 heat for elimination because heat is useless against dreads and they also resist fire damage
incendiary is pretty much always taken because it doesn't decrease damage unlike other similar mods on other weapons
The reload speed like, doesn't help much at all? I guess it might, plus double tap launching yourself to space is more fun anyways.
@@aarepelaa1142 it does help, and using your weapon for both combat and non-combat you really should be efficient with your ammo, so going for maximum fire rate instead of carefully aiming every shot is wasteful
reload speed fits my playstyle much better, I don't find myself reloading instantly after shooting anyway so the shorter delay before reloading that high fire rate provides doesn't affect me
@@CubeBizz did you even watch the video??
@@VorpalSword9 he doesn't reload instantly, so the faster time to start reloading is ignored.
He might shotgun blast, then zip/hoverclock, and then reload after all that.
Recently joined DRG, thanks for the video, noticed you added the Rocket Jump Waltz while explaining the Best OC , nice addition
böm
edit: look gary there i am at 9:40
(dont worry i'm a jumbo shells enthusiast now, it's much better at hurting things extraordinarily well)
the downside to white phosphorus shells is instagibbing yourself in fungus bogs
I've long thought that the DRG devs have some very subtle things in this game that make you feel like you're playing doom just a little bit. I like to role play as the doom guy with engie using the smg and fatboy grenade launcher. Shotgun now works with the pump action mod lol
Lovely breakdown video! Also R.I.P Erika EM's pedantic attitude about "basic maths" xD
Plasma gun, broomstick and berserker with vampirism for the ultimate doom guy experience
I’d like to add something to the double trigger/quick-fire ejector part. Even if you DON’T want to shoot anything (movement with the special powder overclock), double trigger is better. It allows for better in air control and it’s easier to cancel fall damage quickly.
That doom music at the end was perfect! Love your video's they very well made, and I love the pro math life you got that!
you know, i always wished DB was good but what is effectively:
2x pellets
+1 dmg
.5x ammo max
.5x "clip" size
.5x total blastwave damage (which does hurt in raw damage per shot when it's only 40 damage rather than 80 based on my own build since it goes from 176+80 to 176+40.)
if i were to give it the true unstable capability it deserves it would be this.
4x pellets
3x blast wave damage
.6x reload timer
.5x ammo max
.5x "clip" size
1.2x spread
is this busted as all hell? probably. do i care? NO. it's fun, fits what people what to create out of double barrel, and similar to jumbo shells, is designed for giving the finger to bigger targets while also enticing people to risk it all to just deal massive fuck off damage. (also indirectly buffs speed ejector or whatever it's called)
What the fuck is up with video games tying reload delays to fucking fire rate all the time??? There's so many shooters I play where upgrading fire rate lets you reload faster than upgrading reload speed AND IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE I DISLIKE IT VERY STRONGLY.
Also great video as always LazyMaybe, I appreciate the hard work that goes into your analysis videos.
19:33 - "Remember, Son. Dying is Gey." *Special Powders into the Sunet*
22:25 - The Shotgun made for Annihilation of Bugs everywhere.
*My Signature Warcrime Weapon >:)*
(I forgot to add Loud Angry Ape Noises to further emphasize the "Unga Bunga" part. Here you go.)
I usually go with the max damage route, with double sized buckshot, high capacity shells, and armor breaking. I do this because I mainly use the boom stick on beefy and armoured enemies. I usually forget to use it for the regular grunts.
you should use the suggestions channel in the discord or even make a reddit post to help get these problems fixed, thank you for bringing this up.