CRT TV - Pros And Cons Using One
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- A video where I try and explain different pros and cons compared to what most people talk about online that I have seen. CRT TV's are great for retro games, movies and in my experience way less eye straining than an LED monitor or TV. The only function I don't like CRT's for is using one as a computer monitor to read text.
Cons Of Owning A CRT
1. White Over Black Doesn’t look right
2. The Weight CRT’s are heavy
3. Text In JRPGS Bouncing Text It doesn’t look right
4. Make sure you have the right content as new content doesn’t look right
5. The electricity - This one is debatable
6. Flicker can cause eye strain for some
7. 30FPS games also can cause trouble, 60FPS is way better
Pros
1. 480P or 240P resolution looks amazing playing DVD’s
2. You can always find a CRT TV for free
3. Colors are amazing
4. Motion is amazing
5. Movies look amazing
6. Low Blue Light, LED has way higher amounts of damaging blue light
7. HD CRT TV has less flicker than analog CRT's.
One major con is geometry issues. If you're new to using CRTs, or haven't used one in decades, you might be disappointed with how imperfect the image on a CRT can be. Since it's analogue tech and there's many components and properties that affect the image quality, no two CRTs are the same. The image can have many impercetions like bowing, not being straight, uneven linearity etc. Some of it can be fixed through fiddling with settings in a service menu while other issues need physical adjustments inside the case. Then there's other kinds of distortions that can be caused by failing capacitors or other ageing of the components. Unfortunately this is old, ageing tech. But fortunately it can be maintained and fixed to a degree! Capacitors can be changed, settings can be adjusted. If the tube itself is still ok, then there's a lot you can do to maintain a CRT!
It's almost impossible to get a perfect geometry on a CRT but if you can put up with a little waviness or stretching of the image, then you're in for a treat. Games on 240p consoles look amazing and the motion clarity is unreal on a good CRT!
those imperfections are awesome
I have an HD CRT and a bunch of SD CRTs. None have that glowing bleed issue
I managed to get a hold of a 36" Magnavox Smart Series from 2005, and it's great!
Awesome!
The 36” CRT really needs to be renamed to ‘the behemoth’ lol.
as a huge crt lover i will say this. crts are excellent and display retro video games in perfect quality but if you dont like carrying heavy stuff, taking up space, or the high pitch sound the crt emits, then a crt may not be for you but if you dont mind all that it is perfect. any crt with component s video or even composite can be great and it doesnt have to be a sony trinitron or some fancy model.
My son and I just found a 32 Inch RCA 2008 CRT with component and S-video. It was 7.99 and we couldn't pass it up. I have never seen a CRT that late. My newest one is 2006.
you mentioned this a little in the video but my favorite reason to own a crt is watching standard definition content. it's not even fair to compare it against a flat-screen panel showing the same thing.
The glow bleed is likely caused by the screen's coating. I have a Mitsubishi 2070sb monitor, whose coating is very deep and dark and it has no glowing at all. Conversely, my Sony G500 has a fairly thin and light coating compared to that of the Mitsu and even of the G400 -- smaller model from the same series. Its coating isn't nearly as black, and yup, it has a lot of glow going on.
At least that's what I think the cause is.
Honestly I like the glow around the text, it kinda gives it a retro neon glow
The text issue is mainly a hookup thing. With RGB connectors, text is rock solid and has no dancing or colour fringing whatsoever. You do have to deal with flicker though. That's why I have golden age LCD bravias for longer runs of programming on old home computers.
The movie praise was funny IMO. Blu Ray on a plasma, or even golden age CCFL LCD's is such a huge leap from DVD on a CRT, it is not even fair.
Take a Viera 1080p plasma, and a PS3. Those are like 80€ nowadays combined. If you pop in for example the Lego Batman movie, it is amazing. 1920x1080 pixel perfect, genuine 24p display as intended, great wide gamut colours. A DVD in comparison is 3:2 pull up (in the US) or 104% speedup in Europe. A DVD is having 576 interlaced lines in PAL, or 480 in NTSC, with heavy combing so you never see the complete frame at once, and on the NTSC system it has that weird 2/3 judder on pans.
Resolution is not even fair. A DVD has 16% of the pixels of a Blu Ray, and from that a part is hidden because of overscan. Then you have the fuzzyness from non perfect dot to pixel mapping. IMO DVD is a junk medium, designed for CRT's, and should not be in stores nowadays. 90% of people having a physical disc player in 2024 use a console for it, and can play Blu Rays perfectly. They have no idea why they still buy DVD's. It's just a bad habbit. Blu Rays are not more expensive, so that is no reason.
My hd crt had no issues it was a premium priced at the time back in 05'
Such good TV's.
I strangely find CRTs easier on my eyes than HD...like large white areas like snow hurt my eyes because of how bright it is, on a CRT is doesn't hurt my eyes at all.
30 fps on a crt for me looks 60 fps idk why. My only problem for me is the high pitched whine but gets less noticeable after a bit
Way better than a flatscreen!
Yeah, 5 dollars to get a tv to play duck hunt? AWESOME!
I use and got a 21 and 14" Sharp crt tvs they are awesome
Still using my Trinitron Crt 💪💪💪
Amazing!
@@basementtech9361 I was dropping stuff off at the local Goodwill in a very small town and when I pulled around there was a lonely TV with the glass facing the building and I know exactly what kind of TV it was when I saw the back of it plugged it up worked perfect free 🤣
@@michaelparker5640 I love it.
As far as text, RGB mod your crt and text will look crisp and legible.
If you have motion blur on your crt, your contrast is either too high, or your crt is just old and tired. A good functioning crt shouldn't have motion blur.
Also, lag will not be on a hdcrt if you input the native resolution of the crt.
Most hd crt native resolutions are 480p and 1080i but look up the owners manual online if you dont have it and you can check there.
The reason you don't see the flicker on the HD CRT over the standard def ones is all to do with the refresh rate, the standard def one will be 60 hz will the HD crt will likley be running at around 100hz. 60hz on a pc CRT is very noticible and easliy changable in the display options of your computer as unlike the TV they don't have a fixed refresh rate, or one thats only varible between 50-60hz in the case of Pal. In my finding once the refresh rate is above 70hz it's unoticble.
Very beautiful your old tvs ❤
Thank you! 😊
Ive got an early 2ks Sony Wega and two Sony M4U series PVMs and I love them! I would see about turning your contrast down. The only time My CRTs get that halo effect around text and images is if the contrast is way too blown out. I don't know if its your camera but on your TVs, the JVC especially, the whites are blindingly bright with a lot of blooming. This can really be seen at 9:58. The ring around Sonic should be a deep yellow and here it looks blown out to almost white
If I remember correctly I had to set the brightness higher because it looked funny on film. Maybe my eyes aren't good. LOL! I actually do have a lot of trouble with LED screens and I have to dim them as low as they go usually.
The back light bleed is not normal, looks like something adjusting the purity rings might fix… thought it’s a messy to get each colour right.
I can't stand the motion on current QD-OLED & WOLED's....that 16ms motion persistence is just rough. There may be no smearing, but it's the equivalent to a fog of mushy blur crushing or slathering all over environmental and character detail, with a touch of cascading to match. It sucks. It really tarnishes and degrades whatever I'm playing. I can't even play anything in first person on OLED unless it supports 120fps.
Black frame insertion cuts it down by 50% which is a god send, but currently with QD-OLED(like the Samsung S90C) it cuts down quite a bit of brightness and TRIPLES input lag, making it worthless. 120fps is the ticket, since there's no compromises being made to the brightness or any additional latency. Same 50% motion blur drop(down to an 8ms persistence), while doubling the frame rate and cutting latency in half from 10ms to 5ms, giving you that CRT-like button response.
As for '240hz'...Yeah, the switch 2 won't even support 120fps, and 240hz wont be supported on consoles until the PS6 arrives in 2027. Even then, 240 support will be limited until the inevitable PS6 Pro launches a few years later. And even then, 240hz which equals to a 4ms persistence still isn't blur free. It's GOOD, but not great. I wish they would figure out a solution fast. I want to experience the glory days of gaming, motion wise, like in the late 80's, 90's and early to mid 2000's with blur free CRT motion.
Asus has 480hz OLED monitors on the way, but again good like running modern games at that even with an RTX4090. 480hz has incredible motion clarity, it's the next best thing from CRT. 2ms persistence, where as CRT is 1ms. But aside from 480fps being a total power hog, you're limited by puny size of a computer monitor. I want a 77" QD-OLED damnit. :P
Which Toshiba is that? It looks like a dope little HD model for 7th gen!
26 Inch, 2004, and the model is 26HF84A. I love how it is a litter smaller as some of those bigger ones are so heavy.
Sorry, I suddenly thought the TV was LCD but it's CRT "I speak Spanish." And it has happened to me with CRT 16:9 in the corners of the screen. 16:9 TVs tend to get these spots in the corners because of the shape of the screen so large in width, and it is normally a problem with the demagnetizer coil, it is the cable that is used to clean the screen of magnetism every time you turn it on. The white spot in that place may be appearing because that corner of the TV is close to the electrical outlet, there is almost always magnetism in those areas of the wall near the outlet.
The TV demagnetizer is made up of only 2 parts, a coil of thick cable that goes around the cinescope at the back on the edge and this is connected to the electricity but in the middle there is an electronic piece called thermister, which is sensitive to the heat, and when it heats up it cuts off the electrical power to the coil so that it does not overheat.
Normally it is the thermister that fails and cuts out electricity before the coil clears the spots in the screen.
Even if you move the TV, you will always have problems with light spots or colors in the corners of the 16:9 TV with this piece damaged by age.
I recommend that you identify the piece that is on the electronic board near where the power cable is connected, it is shaped like a box, I will leave you a video of an example.
You can get a CRT of the same inches or larger to take the part, you can also disconnect the degaussing coil and connect it to a switch directly to the power, and activate it for just a few seconds manually each time you turn on the TV. I do not recommend this solution because it is dangerous you can melt the coil!, I mention it because I extract this coil from a Sony Trinitron TV and use it with a plug manually to the electric outlet in the wall, to demagnetize CRTs when they are very bad. I hope I've helped.
PLEASE TAKE ALL SAFETY MEASURES IF YOU OPEN YOUR CRT THEY CAN BE DEADLY
In this video the TV picture is completely distorted, but I have replaced the same part in cases identical to yours and the TV works perfectly again as when it was new.
The change of the piece
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In this video they are testing the piece
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Nice movie collection man. Have you ever watched a laser disc out of CRT That's pretty good too
Thanks, no I haven't. I recently saw a video on Linus Tech Tips with some version of VHS called HD VHS, which was giving better quality than DVD. It was very strange.
Most definitely, it's a unique look laserdiscs, better than VHS but still analog.
All games from 5th generation consoles plus Sega Dreamcast 6th - I play on Panasonic Quintrix TX-29PS12P CRT TV. I've read a lot that 16:9 games from PlayStation 2, GameCube, Wii or Xbox Classic are better played on HD CRT or plasma. I don't know what to think about it? Should I buy HD CRT Panasonic TX-32PS12P or plasma Panasonic Viera TX-P42X10E?
I got a 32 inch I'Art. Awesome picture quality.
Jumpy text is bad input signal, switch to rgb or even s-video
It's a 480i (interlaced) signal in that wad manager screen.
No music in description..?
*CRT TVs don't display text well. The monitors do. Yeah, the monitors are superior, especially given that they let you display much higher resolutions.
Where do you the the best place is to get some CRT's for free? Like which website?
Facebook market place, Kijiji and garage sales. I've used all 3 as I used to be out of control with collecting them. At one point I think I had 11 but now I'm down to 4. I would also tell people you collect CRT's. I got this 13 inch small one that way. Most people will be happy to give it to you, just to get it out of their hands. I actually had a guy come up to me two weeks ago and he was trying to give me one but I told him I don't have anymore space.
Hey if your getting them for free you can’t complain
Yeah, I got my CRT for just $5.
I think I know what happens to your LCD TV, you can see that bright spot because a kind of lens that is attached with glue on top of the LED has come loose, It has one on top of each LED, sometimes several come off, it comes off due to heat or age, if you open the TV you should find it loose in the interior, you can use transparent epoxy resin that is used to glue car rearview mirrors, or better take it to a technician.
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Convergence is the main issue with modern hd crt's.
Its just nostalgia. Scan lines are not a gaming virtue. Find someone giving away a 42" Panasonic or Pioneer Plasma.
I wasn't alive back then, but I can still attest that real arcade machines running on CRT's look like significantly higher resolution versions of the same game on an Arcade1UP machine.
A good Panasonic plasma is great for sure, it even does decent SCART RGB upscaling, but it is HUGE. I like the fact that you can get tiny 14 inch Trinitrons for (near) free, with RGB input, that use like 30W in use. I can hook up 3 classic consoles in the same space as a single plasma. And Duck Hunt works.
I wish I could own a crt tv again for my retro games… unfortunately I don’t have the space for one, I hate the whine noise it makes, and some of my family members have sensitive hearing :/
Edit: is there a way I could replicate a crt on my modern tv? I heard of the risks of a crt and how dangerous it could be, and I don’t want to experience that…
Get a Retroscaler2x and an HDMI scanline generator.
I only use a CRT because I wanna play Duck Hunt. The only downside about CRTs is that I get a faint tickling in my ear.
The downside is you are younger than 40. Above the tickling goes away.
My old teac will not switch on in wet weather that has continued for 5 to 7 days of constant rain mine is analogue old teac takes 1 hour then I have a great picture and sound but up til then I have a heart attack thinking it has blown up
Also the whining noise that CRT TV's make can be a turn off.
I think the whole weight thing is dumb unless you move a lot.
Red, blue, and sync. Green is inferred from the other two.
A lot of people HATE scanlines...and not all of them are kids...my mom hates scanlines and calls them "snow"
The wine on CRTs is really bad. I have to turn it off when I’m not quite ready to play the game or have it paused.
Get older. It will go away.
anyone else hear that high pitch sound? does that come from the CRT?
also anyone know what song is playing
I doubt a 15KHz whine gets through UA-cam sound compression, but it can be. If you are above 30 it will go away.
Only Americans got a decent amount of HD CRT's, in Europe there super and almost none were made. On the other hand if you use a BVM that can do resolutions like 480p and 720p there don't do that colour bleed, or at lesat I have never noticed it, and that goes for CRT computer monitors that run up to 2k. I have never used a HD crt. The fact that you are using a consumer TV to read text and complining about it is not a valid argument, It's a TV, the dot pitch will be way to poor to read text, and please remmember JRPG's are made with logographic kanji, ideograms (or characters), in mind and not a western alphabet. Again you want a computer monitor for this as they are design for reading text, you all the PC crt's were built for that sole reason.
CRTS SUCK! END OF! I like to admire computer graphics in their purest form, not have to deal with the horrible fuzz of phosphor dots, scan lines and excess glow! Imagine playing Doom Eternal on a CRT like this, it just would not work!
Come on, the fuzz and glow is better.