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fun fact when you turn on a crt and the tube shakes that means the tube is doing something called de gausing , basically coils hidden in the bezel of the tv are used to de magnetize the steel sheet used as the shadow mask
The CRT I am using for retro gaming was kicked to the curb by a neighbor. I think this TV went through a rain shower while on the street, but it started right up. I've had it for a year now.
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Fun fact about some CRTs. If you have the original remote control, you can enter a combination that takes you to a hidden service/technical menu. There you can see how many hours the TV has been "On" during it's life. For my retro setup I got a a Sony Trinitron, and from the service menu I found out it has about 10500 hours. So yeah, the owner must have kept it on for several hours every day for about 10 years. But the picture still looks great. You do have to look up the technical specs on manufacturer's website to find out the key combo.
What if micro LED is just as good as CRT TVs and were flat screens and didn't make that buzzing sound and weren't heavy. Would you still keep your CRT?
I'll be keeping my VCR's and all my CRT televisions until I die, hoping it gets passed down to someone else in the family that will care about the stuff. I'm willing to bet that most of them will still be in working condition even after my death.
A friend of mine has a high-level position at a big box store during the CRT to LCD changeover. According to him, the primary reason for the big push to flat screens: They could fit twice as many of them in a delivery truck. It was cheaper for them.
My grandparent's Sony lasted 30-35yrs before giving up the ghost. No surge protector, dozens of power outages. I remember being younger and having fun with turning the (built-in) menu dials to change the color contrast, sharpness and hue levels - I could make anime characters go from ghost white to nearly pink without a settings menu taking up most of the screen lol. Wish everything was built like that these days.
It's like competition died and all the corps joined forces behind the scenes, while we the consumers stopped caring. So in the past, you'd have companies competing with the best, longest lasting product to attract more buyers, while now it's just flashy shit designed to break so you NEED MOAR.
Depending on the frequency some people may not even hear it. So it was something that definitely goes above and beyond. Thanks for whoever thought to include that. Idk if it was editor or writer but good job.
@@MarginalSC Yeah, 99% percent of CRTs have something like 0.5 to 1ms of lag. Negligible. Only the HD CRTs which weren't many had something like 5 to 10ms of input lag. But these were produced only towards the end of the CRT era.
@@PadPoet Actually it varies depending on where the refresh window is updating. Top of the screen, it's tiny, that window expands as the update proceeds to the bottom of the screen. On average it has about 7.5ms.
CRTs have microseconds of input lag. This is obviously true; the signal is spat out on the screen as it arrives in; there is no storage there. The lag of input devices and game engines etc is not the lag of the display. LCDs add their lag ontop of that.
Well, the principle itself may be simple, but the successful and reliable execution of it is not. No wonder there were constant developments until the end of their making
It never died still have my Sony Trinitron playing Castlevania bloodlines and Super Mario world.. Oh yeah turn it to channel 3 just static white noise puts you to sleep!
I dont miss my 36” panasonic. I fenced it right before the era you couldnt even get rid of one by leaving it on the curb. Traded mine for 6 n64 games.People are too nostalgic over this dated tech. A buddy had one of those flat glass sony tubes, and the text on his launch xbox 360 playing dead rising was a blurry mess. I mean a lot of crts cant even cover full rgb spectrum. Pvm and bvm monitors will probably be the only sought after crts. My first lcd in the early 2000s was terrible for input lag, but a lot of new tvs input lag is fairly negligible at 17-20ms or about 1.5 to 2 frames of lag. Plus people can not screw up your picture with magnets. I messed by putting a speaker on top of the panasonic leaving the top left corner with a green tint.
@@Cisco64 Neither is modern gaming tbh. Competitive shooters are a very real use case for CRTs, and games with great artstyles are enhanced massively by the image quality/deep blacks. Until OLEDs catch up with CRTs' response times, input lag, and refresh rates (maybe about 5-6 years down the line at this point) I'll always keep one on my desk.
I'm surprised there wasn't, was expecting it to be talked about at some point. Luckily though Hyperkin has a light-gun in the works that will work with modern displays
Actually, CRTs are quite good for gaming. Although the resolution might not be the best, they offer ridiculous refresh rates and the good old analog Technology has virtually no input lag.
@@azuremartin4940 Can confirm. Have dropped on my toes before, and goddamn they hurt. Will never get rid of mine; as far as I'm concerned, they're the only way to play classic consoles.
I was kinda hoping to hear about the technical limitations like resolution and stuff. Kinda like if they still made CRTs today how more advanced they would get
The best computer monitor crts had good resolution(even beyond HD) and great color output. The main thing that made them obsolete was size and weight compared to screen size.
I hear most people wanted CRT’s for gaming, but for a guy like me, I just wanted a cheap TV and I got it. I watch movies, play games, and watch TV on it. I mostly use it for watching lol. And the picture looks pretty nice.
That guy is PhotoExtremist. He had a quite sizeable UA-cam Channel - at least for that time - about "trick photography"/photoshop stuff. The channel died a couple of years ago though.
i had one till it started randomly going blank. i would have to smack it to get the picture back. one time it didn't come back, and that was the day we finally got rid of it.
@@theX24968Z Yup, mine sometimes goes black and white when turning it on, but after a short while it fixes itself. Also due to it falling over, the speaker broke a little and the audio isn't awesome since then
While the Philippines are high demand on Flat panel TVs, most household still uses CRT TV in the provinces and low class families because they're become cheaper to sell than LCDs.
@@BlueBird-wb6kb theres a 33 in one in our basement i used back in 2015 for my ps2 and xbox 360 and sometimes my old wii now its in the basement and a flood happened 2 years later so thats gone obviously
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You are correct. The 29 inch Sony Trinitron Wega weighs about 100 pounds. The 32 inch probably about 110 pounds.
@@jack0654 No CRT ever looked "amazing" IMO, but the Trinitrons were the best of them. I can't stand analog displays...and I don't like analog signals even on a modern display.
@@StormsparkPegasus oh, if we're talking CRT TVs/TV monitors they definitely look awesome. If you're using a shitty signal like the RF boxes that came with most old consoles, it still won't look good, but if you hook up component/RGB it's a whole new experience (plus zero lag, no motion blur and pretty good black levels).
CRTs actually have surprisingly good image quality. Way better than older LCD TVs. Really only newer QLED and OLED TVs can consistently beat them in every single category (yes OLEDs have the same instant response time). Obviously both these demolish CRTs in size, peak brightness, max resolution and wider colour gamut's, while OLED can match the black levels. The only reason to have one now is for retro gaming, because they do way better at displaying very low resolutions.
NO NO NO NO NO. You need to ground the screwdriver before. Wrapping a wire around the screwdriver and then putting the other end of wire on something grounded. (The bolts holding the CRT will do) Then you can put your screw driver under the rubber anode cap, and then wiggle around carefully
My last tube tv was a 38" flat/square Toshiba. The front glass was 1" thick and it weighed 215lbs. I'd have to psych myself up anytime it needed moving.
remember the floor model tvs? my grandma used to have one for 40 years, gave it away still working. pull on knob single speaker sylvania tv. wish they would bring them back but with updated components like lcd type, wont be as heavy and u can shove your consoles etc on it.
Even for modern gaming, a CRT is amazing to use thanks to its smoothness, motion clarity, refresh rates, and deep blacks. Even current LCD monitors have yet to match a CRT's response time and motion clarity...a CRT is analog and produces its images differently from an LCD, and digital images take more time to produce and process. Still, I doubt CRT displays will ever be produced again sadly. They have such a vibe that will be missed. - Mitsubishi Diamondtron user (me)
CRTs definitely present color in a much brighter way. If you have ever used component cables (consoles, Bluray player) with a Sony Trinitron knows that the only thing that could come close on the color reproduction aspect is an IPS monitor (plasma and LCD panels never looked great when I used to play Super Mario Sunshine, only CRTs did). Colors just pop out of the screen when using 480i with a Trinitron.
It's quite impressive considering it took LED technology almost 15 years to come to a point where it actually does have better colours. QLED tvs especially have the most ridiculously bright colours and OLEDs have the insane contrast of CRTs so their colours also pop.
Same, especially when it comes to 20 or 30 inch sets since sets 12 inches or smaller is usually not heavy enough to cause back pain, and it's a good thing it doesn't need to be carried a lot. I swear lifting big CRT sets could be a form of torture exercise.
My family s Sony 3000 kg CRT survived 2 lightning strikes and was used for 25 years. We bought an LG flat-screen in 2016 because the power button on the Sony died.
You gotta love planned obsolescence. CRT’s were near perfection by 2004. And they were so much easier to repair, too. The modern flatscreens? Fugghedabahtit! You’re better off replacing them, except it’s more trash into our landfills.
I've got one of those Sony Wega 16:9 widescreen CRT TVs with every conceivable input option, including HDMI. The thing is a ship anchor but still works.
RIP duck hunt It used The fact that the data being sent to a CRT was actually was being drawn at the screen that instant to determine if you hit one of the targets, doesn't really work so well when you have a frame buffer
My high school had 2 classrooms with 10+ computers, almost every PC had a CRT monitor. That lasted until around of NEW YEAR 2019! And it's not uncommon to still see them in our schools
I used to work for a TV repair company as a trainee a few years ago and I had to collect / deliver the things.... I dropped one down a flight of stairs once because the owner had a bad back and he couldn't help me with it - it had just been repaired as well...... I remember around that time, DVD players had only just come out and they were the very latest tech and now they're all but obsolete too.
Zakkazz Technology Connections 2 has a great followup. Been wondering if theres a better setup with more vetted hardware. Options he chose was an ad hoc amazon solution that works for him
@@cookietheory The cheapest LCD monitors usually have 1-5ms response time. Now they "finally" make TV with 1ms response time (got one last year, it's great, well it's an OLED but same difference). CRTs refresh rate is wonky, the top of the screen is about 1-2ms and the bottom is around 16ms because it scans from top to bottom. The only reason you would still want a CRT is to play older games like the video says.
@@foufoufun the response time refers to the processing the tv needs to do before it’ll start rendering a frame, a crt has a response time of 0. And the lag of a picture being scanned is applicable to all displays, but is not humanly noticeable, or else the entire screen would look like a screen tearing catastrophe. So practically, crts have 0 input lag.
@@MrNapkino I guess but what matters is how long it takes for the picture to show up on screen. A CRT might not do any processing on the picture and simply start showing it right away but due to how it scans each pixel one by one, a 60hz CRT will take 16ms to show up a whole picture and 8ms to show up the middle which is where you'll usually look at and not only that, it shows it line by line,. The rest of the screen is black. Go check the Slowmo guy video about it, it's quite interesting. LCD and other monitor technologies have come a long way since the 90s and are simply not comparable. I just can't stand the flickering that CRTs make anymore. IMO, the more organic resolution that CRTs used to have is a better advantage over LCDs than their input lag. Older low resolution games do look better on CRTs but they don't really feel more responsive on them.
I used a CRT TV until 2013 and still have it in my basement. It worked fine for TV even up to that point, just with some thicker top and bottom bars on widescreen channels/shows and it is still GREAT for console games from 2006 and earlier.
For anyone wondering, there is an interesting projector tech called mems (micromirror) laser scanning projection that has been popping in and out of the market for some time. I know some people despise projectors for one reason or another, but recently a tech company called Nebra released their first mini projector called Nebra Anybeam. Having owned this little guy since October last year basically everything that Linus just described at 4:34 this thing is fully capable of doing. If a pixel is completely black, the lasers will shut off at that point, meaning true blacks when using this in a 100% dark room. And motion blur? Play any 60fps video on this thing and try to spot it. SPOILER! you won't. Sure it is only 720p and to be honest it looks more like a 480p DLP but everything else like contrast ratio is great. They can be found on Amazon for $230 on sale. They did promise better resolutions and features for future projectors so waiting is ideal at the moment.
CRT is the best. That zero input lag is heavenly. I have two 4k TVs and FHD monitor and my old ass CRT TV in the guest room still gives me the better feeling many times. CRT PC monitors were shyt though.
I have an LCD tv that's also quite old. More than 10 years at least. The sound doesn't work because of a boomed transistor but we hooked that up to the Hi-Fi anyway.
Yep my 27in Panasonic CRT with component inputs from the early 00's still works great for retro games, and as a 2nd TV in my game/family for when we are watching multiple college football games, Wrestling matches, etc.. at once with a ROKU Express+ hooked too it threw composite, and it's audio output is hooked into my Philips 5.1 surround sound setup, and I can switch that sound from my main 50in Samsung 1080p LCD with a press of a button.
Man , i have worked with these 'refurbished' monsters for retail selling. The 21" flatscreens were so heavy. It was a flatscreen becasue the glass was flat :D
Still have a few CRTs in my house. We use it in our dining room and one in the family room. We could easily buy new flat screens but honestly we have no reason to because the CRTs work completely fine. It's funny because it's prevented me from thinking that CRTs are nostalgic since I see it on a daily basis.
I actually liked in the past the CRT monitor for gaming (I guess because of the 120 Hz, compared with just 60 for an LCD). I remember switching back to my old CRT coz my LCD monitor died, and I felt like "wow! This old junk feels amazing!" guess it's a cheap way to experience 120Hz 😁 Still have some nostalgia for CRT monitors, the simple white color, the smell, bulckiness.. Maybe you'll just always remmeber your FIRST (computer) 😛
if you got a decent CRT monitor it could be over the 1440p resolution, and have a refresh rate well above 100Hz, if you were lucky enough to get a Trinitron or some other sort of Aperture grille display, you could get brightness and image quality as good as or better than most LCDs
Those high frequencies disappeared long ago for me, and I still have a CRT TV in the garage. 😇. I may be old but I’m not a Luddite - I have a 65” 4K set in the living room. 👍
@@Runslik3Wind Your facts are wrong. It's really hard to find a widescreen CRT. And not every crt tv made in 2000s is NOT widescreen. Majority still uses 4:3 ratio. In fact my family bought a Samsung TV in 2005 and doesn't even have a 16:9 option.
@@heavy_ang_patay yeah no. i said mid 2000s lets just start here. if a crt was made in 2005+ it was 16:9 or it was a low end model made for stragglers of the vhs days. if your only anecdote is that your family bought a 4:3 tv in 2005 don't bother bring up a 5 month old comment because i guarantee that next to that samsung crt was twice as many 16:9 crt televisions.
i got a sony gmd fw900 in 2014 or 2015 and man, its a fascinating tech imo that thing is a decade old and still trumps a lot of gaming monitors all while retaining amazing image quality (colors and black levels/viewing angles) so sad that SED/FED tech never materialized :(
My samsung Hitron CRT tv 📺 is 20yers old now & it still going strong day by day. I run it with a normal SD set top box & picture is very sharp & beautiful😍. I love my vintage CRT tv📺. It is like my brother 😘
i still have a 15" CRT monitor in my mother's house, my old room has some unique relics... like an atari (might be broken) and nintendo 8 bits... never thought i could give them away.... and there they are, dusty and full of memories... ;´(
I still use a 19" Toshiba CRT TV from 2003 and it still works, I bought a 2013 Magnavox 32" LED TV and I dropped it once it didn't even turn on, I've lost track of how many times I dropped my CRT TV and it still works to this day, the only damage is a little scratch on the CRTthat you need a microscope to see.
A "guesstimate" is that in the US alone are around a billion old crt sets hidden in attics or still in use, that needs to be environmentally processed at some point. The environmental aspect are massive worldwide regarding recycling the billions of sets no one wants any longer.
@@muccisebastian9300 Absolutely, they are on the other hand current technology that people still use, and are send to scrap because they break down, not because the technology is considered obsolete like CRT tv's.
When listening about tube screens I see old oscilloscope and radar screens. Those definitely was long tubes with tiny screens at end. Looked like police flashlights.
I remember the day I retired my 19" Samsung CRT. After years of solid service and keeping my den warm in winter I bought a 23" Dell flat panel. At first I thought they shipped an empty box. I just looked it up, the CRT was FIFTY ONE pounds! I think the replacement weighed 8 or 12 pounds with the stand!
Keeping room warm - exactly. We had heating issues in our apartment at that winter when I replaced my 17" Samsung CRT monitor to Acer 17" flat panel. First thing that I remember - permanently frozen hands while working with computer at next days after upgrade. Even wanted to put old CRT monitor back :)
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I still have 2 tube TVs, because I need them for my retro consoles! One of them is a 29 inch Sony Trinitron Wega, weighing in at ~100 pounds. (50 kg). Yes, big and bulky, but it's practically the highlight and center point of my retro collection. It just makes you happy looking at the thing. And with proper RGB Euro-SCART cables, the picture quality from my retro consoles is outstanding. IMO it's loads better than what I get on my HDTV.
They can't. It is not possible to hide ladder distortion for lines if pixels are too big and too few. Subsampling (darker pixels in on ladder artifact edges) help only for few cases. It basically was a reason why Apple introduced so called Retina display which in nutshell is a very high resolution display with very small pixels (over 270 dpi). Newer Samsung top phones (S9, S10) use similar displays as well and usually in lower resolution for energy saving.
@@KrotowX I'm talking about integer scaling. It's not impossible. All it does is scale the image with no filter [would result in distortion] but if it's only scaled by 2x/ 3x [whatever times it takes] and keeps rest of the are of the screen blank, then there shouldn't be any distortion.
Integer scaling is worse than CRT scaling twitter.com/CRTpixels/status/1405960949064900614 and scaling is just part of the issue, even the top end 360HZ gaming monitors have 4-5 ms pixel response times + sample and hold blur, which ruining the motion clarity of the image cuz its garbo technology.
@@kyugiyeneku1803 I would look into the 14" PVMs or the 20F1E/U BVM. I would recommend the channels RetroTech, Phonedork and MyLifeInGaming if you want to learn more ^^
Got a Sony CRT TV from early 2000. I have so many memories with it that we finally took it to customer care to get it fixed and they said because of how old it is, the tubes will eventually die out. There is something so appealing about a CRT TV that I don't wanna switch to anything else.
I’ll never forget the day I jokingly bought 12,000 crt monitors for $2 at a surplus auction. Then realized I had to do something with them all lol. If your curious I stripped and scraped/recycled them all made $2400 but took 3 months.
Y'all remember running your hand across a CRT to wipe off all that fuzzy static? I miss that feeling.
My CRT has an anti-static filter
@@KofolaDealer weird flex but ok
Yeah that was fun.
Ah the joys of high-voltage
What about the hair...have you even touched your head on it?
My aunt still uses a Curtis Mathis TV that's over 45 years old. It lasted longer than the company.
Lol
I wish everything was made like that.
@@Thuazabi Me too!
Wow that's some quality
@jdslyman That's so true. Why don't we have a challenge your TV vs. My aunt's Curtis Mathis sound good? Wink wink
"CRT's - the original, high-refresh rate gaming monitor!"
that is true, my old one has actually 160 Hz
@@maikwei8402
But none of the games you play run at more than 60 fps, right?
@@TomDeWeerdt1 with emulators it can run 500fps lol.
The Iiyama Vision Master Pro 514 hits 200hz in 800*600
@@TomDeWeerdt1 You can still use CRT monitors on todays graphics cards.
CRTs are still used for some military stuff where they have high brightness requirements or need funky resolutions.
CRTs aren’t that bright tho
100 SUBSCRIBERS CHALLENGE!!! Bruh CRT is 100nit
100 SUBSCRIBERS CHALLENGE!!! Nits = how bright a screen is, a CRT is 100nits and an iPhone 11 pro has 800nits of brightness
100 SUBSCRIBERS CHALLENGE!!! HDR TVs have like 2000 to 10000 nits so nah
100 SUBSCRIBERS CHALLENGE!!! OLED destroys any CRT in brightness, contrast, color, energy usage etc apart from ms response
I have 2 CRTs in my room, monitor and TV
Save all your CRTs, old game speedrunners and Melee players need them :)
I believe eventually CRTs will be back if microLED takes to long to be released. There is demand for it.
@@DwAboutItManFr nope lol
@@nugget6635 Who said it needs to be larger?
I still have 3 of them
Time to go to the shed…
Oh, that sweet annoying high pitch. Good to know my ears still handle +15khz sound frequencies.
edit: i clearly meant Linus
The tv or Linus?
I'm not sure if you're talking about Linus or the TVs
Thank god it stopped I’m wearing headphones and my ears got automatically amputated in that moment
Luca Battistella someone already said that
fun fact when you turn on a crt and the tube shakes that means the tube is doing something called de gausing , basically coils hidden in the bezel of the tv are used to de magnetize the steel sheet used as the shadow mask
"Why Tube TVs DIED".... have you ever picked one up?
Odin029
Those things fall, someone or something is going to die 👻☠️
People that tried pick one up died from getting crush by one
Projection TVs weight about the same as a 2 door coupe
ayyオイカorb ャulonlmao Oh damn yeah, thats a good one . DLP.
Yeah but it's not like it moves anywhere when you set it up anyway...
The CRT I am using for retro gaming was kicked to the curb by a neighbor. I think this TV went through a rain shower while on the street, but it started right up. I've had it for a year now.
Fun fact about some CRTs. If you have the original remote control, you can enter a combination that takes you to a hidden service/technical menu. There you can see how many hours the TV has been "On" during it's life. For my retro setup I got a a Sony Trinitron, and from the service menu I found out it has about 10500 hours. So yeah, the owner must have kept it on for several hours every day for about 10 years. But the picture still looks great.
You do have to look up the technical specs on manufacturer's website to find out the key combo.
Well, they did have a good 60 year run, no small feat for any piece of technology. 🤘😎
It's still used in some times. There's nothing wrong with them.
Low resolution *is* an issue tho
@@makelgrax4580 And thats the Advantage for older VHS and DVDs.
They actually had a more than 125 year run. Kruk,s tube was the original CRT invented back in the 1880s.
@@makelgrax4580 not really
There was HD CRTs
I'm holding on to my flat-screen Toshiba CRT until I die.
What if micro LED is just as good as CRT TVs and were flat screens and didn't make that buzzing sound and weren't heavy. Would you still keep your CRT?
@@Award2001 in what way would the CRT be superior?
I'll be keeping my VCR's and all my CRT televisions until I die, hoping it gets passed down to someone else in the family that will care about the stuff. I'm willing to bet that most of them will still be in working condition even after my death.
@@sethhorst6158 having a CRT after you're dead is gonna be like having a phonograph today.
@Big Fat Boi lol
You know you're getting old when you see that Linus needs to explain to younger people why CRT's died away. "What's a CRT?"
Thqnks for letting me know am old
Most people know what crts are, but don't really know why they went away.
@@Demonslayer20111 Pretty sure they know when they just look at it from anywhere else than front
Next it will be whats a VCR.
@@rynick4x4 Or floppy disk: "Lol they 3D printed the save icon!"
A friend of mine has a high-level position at a big box store during the CRT to LCD changeover.
According to him, the primary reason for the big push to flat screens: They could fit twice as many of them in a delivery truck. It was cheaper for them.
That moment you place your arm against the CRT screen when it just turned on.
The static :o
Idk why I enjoyed doing that as a kid.
I know!
Or putting your face near it.. ahaha
I remember a couple of CRTs we had that glowed way after the set was off.
or if you held a strong magnet against one
i still have one stored away ill turn it on just to get that feeling again :D thanks for the tip
Watching UA-cam on a tube is the only way to get an authentic experience
yes
actually the playbutton is supposed to look like a tube screen i think
@@Warp2090isn’t that Becuz of the yt logo
@@Flattithefish wdym
My grandparent's Sony lasted 30-35yrs before giving up the ghost. No surge protector, dozens of power outages. I remember being younger and having fun with turning the (built-in) menu dials to change the color contrast, sharpness and hue levels - I could make anime characters go from ghost white to nearly pink without a settings menu taking up most of the screen lol. Wish everything was built like that these days.
It's like competition died and all the corps joined forces behind the scenes, while we the consumers stopped caring. So in the past, you'd have companies competing with the best, longest lasting product to attract more buyers, while now it's just flashy shit designed to break so you NEED MOAR.
You even included that high pitch whine from the TVs, that's an attention to detail.
What high pitch? XDD
@@davidciprys7811 Linus is the embodiment of high pitch
Depending on the frequency some people may not even hear it. So it was something that definitely goes above and beyond. Thanks for whoever thought to include that. Idk if it was editor or writer but good job.
I had earphones, i had ears
ye it made me throw my headphones away cause I hate that noise
"LCD Display". Liquid Crystal Display Display.
Brought to you by the department of redundancy department.
ATM Machine
@@noahhall4906 SSD Drive
CRT Tube
DP Port
RAM Memory
But dat instant response time and 0 input lag tho...
Bit of a myth there. CRT does have input lag.
@@MarginalSC do tell
@@MarginalSC Yeah, 99% percent of CRTs have something like 0.5 to 1ms of lag. Negligible. Only the HD CRTs which weren't many had something like 5 to 10ms of input lag. But these were produced only towards the end of the CRT era.
@@PadPoet Actually it varies depending on where the refresh window is updating. Top of the screen, it's tiny, that window expands as the update proceeds to the bottom of the screen. On average it has about 7.5ms.
CRTs have microseconds of input lag. This is obviously true; the signal is spat out on the screen as it arrives in; there is no storage there. The lag of input devices and game engines etc is not the lag of the display. LCDs add their lag ontop of that.
Linus: (About CRT's) "The technology itself is fairly simple".
Me: Whoever thought that sh.. up was a frigging genius!
14 year old farm boy thought it up. HOW!?
Well, the principle itself may be simple, but the successful and reliable execution of it is not. No wonder there were constant developments until the end of their making
@@digitalblasphemy1100he was probably growing mushrooms on that farm, is how!
Still rocking my 22" graphics design grade crt i bought for $1. Never gonna give her up.
I'm still rocking my pvm-2044qm and my Ikegami 14-20r (:
What if she breaks/dies?
John Bash-on-ger that's not giving up on her. That's her giving up on you.
TuiCatNZ Never gonna let her down
never gonna run around and desert her
It never died still have my Sony Trinitron playing Castlevania bloodlines and Super Mario world..
Oh yeah turn it to channel 3 just static white noise puts you to sleep!
Luis Cancel or use to for spying on people
(Stranger things reference)
It did die you're just lucky to have it (Maybe you're joking and I'm getting whooshed big time...)
Sony always did make the best CRTs
Was given a 32" Trinatron. Nearly had a hernia moving it. Had to ditch it due to moving. Miss that thing for retro.
I dont miss my 36” panasonic. I fenced it right before the era you couldnt even get rid of one by leaving it on the curb. Traded mine for 6 n64 games.People are too nostalgic over this dated tech. A buddy had one of those flat glass sony tubes, and the text on his launch xbox 360 playing dead rising was a blurry mess. I mean a lot of crts cant even cover full rgb spectrum. Pvm and bvm monitors will probably be the only sought after crts. My first lcd in the early 2000s was terrible for input lag, but a lot of new tvs input lag is fairly negligible at 17-20ms or about 1.5 to 2 frames of lag. Plus people can not screw up your picture with magnets. I messed by putting a speaker on top of the panasonic leaving the top left corner with a green tint.
CRT TV's are still being used at Smash Bros Melee tournaments and by speedrunners
And in my sex dunge... I mean my basement
came to the comments section just for this.
thank you
Don't forget by NES Tetris players and at the Classic Tetris World Championship!
(including myself)
@@EricICX BOOM Tetris for Jeff
@@Cisco64 Neither is modern gaming tbh. Competitive shooters are a very real use case for CRTs, and games with great artstyles are enhanced massively by the image quality/deep blacks. Until OLEDs catch up with CRTs' response times, input lag, and refresh rates (maybe about 5-6 years down the line at this point) I'll always keep one on my desk.
No mention of light-guns? There's still no (practical) way to get light-guns to work with flat-screens, especially old ones.
I'm surprised there wasn't, was expecting it to be talked about at some point. Luckily though Hyperkin has a light-gun in the works that will work with modern displays
They actually did an entire video on that years ago
Those old light guns hardly worked at all
I saw a while ago that someone had a working prototype for a light gun that works with flat displays can't remember the name of it though.
Oh yeah found it. Look up Retro Mancave light gun and it talks about it.
Actually, CRTs are quite good for gaming. Although the resolution might not be the best, they offer ridiculous refresh rates and the good old analog Technology has virtually no input lag.
But analog signals are susceptible to interference so CRT TV'S are junk compared to LCD TV'S THESE DAYS
@@stephensnell1379 Not necessarily, a high quality cable does the trick.
oh crap crts are good gaming monitors. Maybe. Sure no 4K or 1080 P resolutions but that refresh rate says yes.
CRTs don't really go far beyond 100 Hz. LCDs easily beat them there
@@GewelReal A CRT at 120hz is smoother than a LCD at 240hz due to no motion blur
problem is flat panels are far more fragile, in crts the large heavy amount of glass is very necessary for safety as the crt has a very high vacuum
They died because Linus dropped all of them
Underrated..
they weigh 600 lbs, im pretty sure everybody dropped these damn things
@@azuremartin4940 or they just.. fall over on their own sometimes.. y'know.
@@azuremartin4940 Can confirm. Have dropped on my toes before, and goddamn they hurt. Will never get rid of mine; as far as I'm concerned, they're the only way to play classic consoles.
@@azuremartin4940 i knocked mine a few times with 6kg kettle bells before it broke. tho it was not the glass that broke.
I was kinda hoping to hear about the technical limitations like resolution and stuff.
Kinda like if they still made CRTs today how more advanced they would get
The best computer monitor crts had good resolution(even beyond HD) and great color output. The main thing that made them obsolete was size and weight compared to screen size.
I have a crt for retro consoles that’s is widescreen 1080p with hdmi also upscales games really well.
@@r3volt21 Name?
@RW3ints exactly. easy way to tell is to make sure its not a flatscreen CRT.
@@mmcblk05studio lg one would have to pull out of unit to get model no.
Still have an old 27 inch console tv and it works great.
Use it as a stand for my new 65 inch 4k tv.
bruh
This was painful to read
I hear most people wanted CRT’s for gaming, but for a guy like me, I just wanted a cheap TV and I got it. I watch movies, play games, and watch TV on it. I mostly use it for watching lol. And the picture looks pretty nice.
These days u can get an lcd for free almost anywhere. Mostly older ones tho
Nostalgia of playing my PlayStation 2 games on my crt tv. Good ol days
I still do
Amazing
@@BavarianM same !
When everything was good and simple
Why does the man at 0:06 look like a depressed version of Chandler (mrbeast)
So true
Saw it too🤣
That guy is PhotoExtremist. He had a quite sizeable UA-cam Channel - at least for that time - about "trick photography"/photoshop stuff. The channel died a couple of years ago though.
Hahahaha ikkkk
Lol
Cathode-Ray Tube TV, in case anyone was wondering
I don't get it. What's the "TV" part mean?
whoosh
Custos means Television 📺
@@jeffleonard343 r/woooosh
@@shabanasayyed643 r/IHaveReddit
Jokes on you! I still have a CRT as my main TV. It has been working since 2002, despite the fact that it fell to the floor in 2004
i had one till it started randomly going blank. i would have to smack it to get the picture back. one time it didn't come back, and that was the day we finally got rid of it.
Xavieret Salva now you have a hole in the floor though :D
@@theX24968Z Yup, mine sometimes goes black and white when turning it on, but after a short while it fixes itself. Also due to it falling over, the speaker broke a little and the audio isn't awesome since then
joke is on you. using that tv must be showing on your electricity bill
jokes on you, your tv is shit
Fun Fact: Even though CRT is heavy, you can use them as exercise equipment
They're still real to me, damnit!
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While the Philippines are high demand on Flat panel TVs, most household still uses CRT TV in the provinces and low class families because they're become cheaper to sell than LCDs.
Though not even the Philippines manufacture them anymore. No one does
I moved a 32 inch Sony Trinitron so many times in college. That thing had to weigh 100 pounds.
So lucky to have one.. impossible to collect one now
@@BlueBird-wb6kb theres a 33 in one in our basement i used back in 2015 for my ps2 and xbox 360 and sometimes my old wii now its in the basement and a flood happened 2 years later so thats gone obviously
You are correct. The 29 inch Sony Trinitron Wega weighs about 100 pounds. The 32 inch probably about 110 pounds.
@@BlueBird-wb6kb Thank God for my Bravia!
@ my 36 inch trinitron weighs 230 pounds lmao its hell moving that thing
0:06 bruh is that chandler from mr beast
I was thinking the same!
Same!!!!!!!
IKR !
Yeah something like that was in my mind too when I saw the picture. Now I know what it was!😂😂🤔
😂😅 was thinking the same
Digital Foundry is bringing back the CRT monitors as superior image quality. Btw, I am still waiting your BGA to LGA 1151 video :-)
Where is it
I call BS on it being superior image quality. It's not, at all. CRT's look awful.
@@StormsparkPegasus I've never seen one in real life, but apparently a decent one, like a Sony FW900, can look amazing
@@jack0654 No CRT ever looked "amazing" IMO, but the Trinitrons were the best of them. I can't stand analog displays...and I don't like analog signals even on a modern display.
@@StormsparkPegasus oh, if we're talking CRT TVs/TV monitors they definitely look awesome. If you're using a shitty signal like the RF boxes that came with most old consoles, it still won't look good, but if you hook up component/RGB it's a whole new experience (plus zero lag, no motion blur and pretty good black levels).
CRTs actually have surprisingly good image quality. Way better than older LCD TVs. Really only newer QLED and OLED TVs can consistently beat them in every single category (yes OLEDs have the same instant response time). Obviously both these demolish CRTs in size, peak brightness, max resolution and wider colour gamut's, while OLED can match the black levels. The only reason to have one now is for retro gaming, because they do way better at displaying very low resolutions.
I once tried cleaning a CRT TV with a damp sponge. The tube discharged through my arm which was less than ideal.
Rj Simas CRTs retain an electrical charge even when it is unplugged.
1. Use screwdriver to poke around flyback in tube section until it zaps (discharged)
2. Feel free to clean it
Bitelaserkhalif 555 • Make sure you’re holding the screwdriver with something non conductive like rubber gloves.
NO NO NO NO NO.
You need to ground the screwdriver before.
Wrapping a wire around the screwdriver and then putting the other end of wire on something grounded. (The bolts holding the CRT will do)
Then you can put your screw driver under the rubber anode cap, and then wiggle around carefully
@@19seventy97 "NO NO NO NO NO." XD. I imagine you as a doting parent. And everything you said is right.
Linus: how did they vanish from our lives?
Me in Ghana where a lot of homes still have a CRT: (ಥ ͜ʖಥ)🇬🇭
No worries almost hit the point where CRT is more expensive the LCD :O profit...
In greece too
Where is Ghana? (I'm not joking I Have no idea)
@@kendarr it's in a West Africa
same in Sri Lanka.
My last tube tv was a 38" flat/square Toshiba. The front glass was 1" thick and it weighed 215lbs. I'd have to psych myself up anytime it needed moving.
Same I had the same TV.. I remember dreading moving it.
Also known as "the backbreaker" lol
remember the floor model tvs? my grandma used to have one for 40 years, gave it away still working. pull on knob single speaker sylvania tv. wish they would bring them back but with updated components like lcd type, wont be as heavy and u can shove your consoles etc on it.
Even for modern gaming, a CRT is amazing to use thanks to its smoothness, motion clarity, refresh rates, and deep blacks. Even current LCD monitors have yet to match a CRT's response time and motion clarity...a CRT is analog and produces its images differently from an LCD, and digital images take more time to produce and process. Still, I doubt CRT displays will ever be produced again sadly. They have such a vibe that will be missed.
- Mitsubishi Diamondtron user (me)
CRTs definitely present color in a much brighter way. If you have ever used component cables (consoles, Bluray player) with a Sony Trinitron knows that the only thing that could come close on the color reproduction aspect is an IPS monitor (plasma and LCD panels never looked great when I used to play Super Mario Sunshine, only CRTs did). Colors just pop out of the screen when using 480i with a Trinitron.
It's quite impressive considering it took LED technology almost 15 years to come to a point where it actually does have better colours. QLED tvs especially have the most ridiculously bright colours and OLEDs have the insane contrast of CRTs so their colours also pop.
Tube TV: **exists**
My lower back: _I don't feel so good _
tell your weak ass back you dont have to do it often
Lift with your legs!
@@TheBoostedDoge The true deadlift
Same, especially when it comes to 20 or 30 inch sets since sets 12 inches or smaller is usually not heavy enough to cause back pain, and it's a good thing it doesn't need to be carried a lot. I swear lifting big CRT sets could be a form of torture exercise.
@@sethhorst6158 I brought a 36 inch sony crt up the stairs to my room with my brother and dads help, that thing weighed like 230 pounds, it was hell
My family s Sony 3000 kg CRT survived 2 lightning strikes and was used for 25 years. We bought an LG flat-screen in 2016 because the power button on the Sony died.
Are you sure you typed that number right? That would be three tons.
@@Vengir Thats sarcasm, you old man!
That is not funny
mine have a leaky flyback, i have to seal it up from time to time with hot glue to make it work properly but i still love it
Could've just replaced the button
0:13 my ears bleed with rushes of nostalgia
Only crappy CRTs did high pitch whines
You gotta love planned obsolescence. CRT’s were near perfection by 2004. And they were so much easier to repair, too. The modern flatscreens? Fugghedabahtit! You’re better off replacing them, except it’s more trash into our landfills.
"Some say you could accidentally create a time-machine if you put a Microwave on top of one of those."
Steins;Gate Reference! hehe
Aw, man, I felt so nostalgic hearing that familiar high-pitched hum of a crt XD
Now I know why that other tv makes buzzing but my parents can't hear it
My poor dog flips out everytime I turn one on. 😬
Makes me feel old, we've come a long way from that old wood-framed tube that needed several minutes to warm up
Don't they have heaters in them so they warm up in like 10 seconds?
They never died to me. As a video game collector, I have like 3 of them 😅 My favorite being a 1999 Sony Trinitron at the apex of CRT engineering.
They "died". You don't have anything to do with it.
Same too! i have 3 of them that work as monitors for windows 10
I've got one of those Sony Wega 16:9 widescreen CRT TVs with every conceivable input option, including HDMI. The thing is a ship anchor but still works.
0:45
UA-cam Monetization:
Clicks pen, writes on clip board and shakes its head.
Yes
I still remember the "joy" of bringing a crt monitor to a lan party
Those were the days though.
RIP duck hunt
It used The fact that the data being sent to a CRT was actually was being drawn at the screen that instant to determine if you hit one of the targets, doesn't really work so well when you have a frame buffer
Duck doom deluxe.
My high school had 2 classrooms with 10+ computers, almost every PC had a CRT monitor. That lasted until around of NEW YEAR 2019! And it's not uncommon to still see them in our schools
I used to work for a TV repair company as a trainee a few years ago and I had to collect / deliver the things.... I dropped one down a flight of stairs once because the owner had a bad back and he couldn't help me with it - it had just been repaired as well...... I remember around that time, DVD players had only just come out and they were the very latest tech and now they're all but obsolete too.
You’re lucky if you get 10 years out of a modern flat panel television/monitor. My 22-year old Phillips CRT TV is still going strong.
Happy I saved mine. Older movies and TV shows do not look the same. They can even look worse on flat screens.
@@zakkazz1201 [Loud jazz music plays]
Zakkazz Technology Connections 2 has a great followup.
Been wondering if theres a better setup with more vetted hardware. Options he chose was an ad hoc amazon solution that works for him
Actually love this video cause I always wondered why old game consoles looked good on CRT but look awefull on modern tv’s of the same size
It's spelt awful
I love CRT refresh rates thats why im keeping my old crt display.
Haven't LCDs gotten faster than CRTs?
@@darxustech2883 Ye, sorry, meant response times
@@cookietheory The cheapest LCD monitors usually have 1-5ms response time. Now they "finally" make TV with 1ms response time (got one last year, it's great, well it's an OLED but same difference). CRTs refresh rate is wonky, the top of the screen is about 1-2ms and the bottom is around 16ms because it scans from top to bottom. The only reason you would still want a CRT is to play older games like the video says.
@@foufoufun the response time refers to the processing the tv needs to do before it’ll start rendering a frame, a crt has a response time of 0. And the lag of a picture being scanned is applicable to all displays, but is not humanly noticeable, or else the entire screen would look like a screen tearing catastrophe. So practically, crts have 0 input lag.
@@MrNapkino I guess but what matters is how long it takes for the picture to show up on screen. A CRT might not do any processing on the picture and simply start showing it right away but due to how it scans each pixel one by one, a 60hz CRT will take 16ms to show up a whole picture and 8ms to show up the middle which is where you'll usually look at and not only that, it shows it line by line,. The rest of the screen is black. Go check the Slowmo guy video about it, it's quite interesting. LCD and other monitor technologies have come a long way since the 90s and are simply not comparable. I just can't stand the flickering that CRTs make anymore. IMO, the more organic resolution that CRTs used to have is a better advantage over LCDs than their input lag. Older low resolution games do look better on CRTs but they don't really feel more responsive on them.
I used a CRT TV until 2013 and still have it in my basement. It worked fine for TV even up to that point, just with some thicker top and bottom bars on widescreen channels/shows and it is still GREAT for console games from 2006 and earlier.
For anyone wondering, there is an interesting projector tech called mems (micromirror) laser scanning projection that has been popping in and out of the market for some time. I know some people despise projectors for one reason or another, but recently a tech company called Nebra released their first mini projector called Nebra Anybeam. Having owned this little guy since October last year basically everything that Linus just described at 4:34 this thing is fully capable of doing. If a pixel is completely black, the lasers will shut off at that point, meaning true blacks when using this in a 100% dark room. And motion blur? Play any 60fps video on this thing and try to spot it. SPOILER! you won't. Sure it is only 720p and to be honest it looks more like a 480p DLP but everything else like contrast ratio is great. They can be found on Amazon for $230 on sale. They did promise better resolutions and features for future projectors so waiting is ideal at the moment.
CRT is the best. That zero input lag is heavenly. I have two 4k TVs and FHD monitor and my old ass CRT TV in the guest room still gives me the better feeling many times. CRT PC monitors were shyt though.
CRT Monitors were the best kind of CRTs
CRT TV have amazing lifespan mine is running more than 15 years without an issue
this also aplied to old analog osciloscopes i have one that my dad baught at an acmuction in the 70's and it still works flawlessly
I have an LCD tv that's also quite old. More than 10 years at least. The sound doesn't work because of a boomed transistor but we hooked that up to the Hi-Fi anyway.
I'm still using CRT TV in my house just because it's still working and there's no reason to buy a new flat TV
@@vega1287 same
Yep my 27in Panasonic CRT with component inputs from the early 00's still works great for retro games, and as a 2nd TV in my game/family for when we are watching multiple college football games, Wrestling matches, etc.. at once with a ROKU Express+ hooked too it threw composite, and it's audio output is hooked into my Philips 5.1 surround sound setup, and I can switch that sound from my main 50in Samsung 1080p LCD with a press of a button.
Man , i have worked with these 'refurbished' monsters for retail selling. The 21" flatscreens were so heavy. It was a flatscreen becasue the glass was flat :D
Still have a few CRTs in my house. We use it in our dining room and one in the family room. We could easily buy new flat screens but honestly we have no reason to because the CRTs work completely fine. It's funny because it's prevented me from thinking that CRTs are nostalgic since I see it on a daily basis.
I actually liked in the past the CRT monitor for gaming (I guess because of the 120 Hz, compared with just 60 for an LCD). I remember switching back to my old CRT coz my LCD monitor died, and I felt like "wow! This old junk feels amazing!" guess it's a cheap way to experience 120Hz 😁
Still have some nostalgia for CRT monitors, the simple white color, the smell, bulckiness.. Maybe you'll just always remmeber your FIRST (computer) 😛
if you got a decent CRT monitor it could be over the 1440p resolution, and have a refresh rate well above 100Hz, if you were lucky enough to get a Trinitron or some other sort of Aperture grille display, you could get brightness and image quality as good as or better than most LCDs
Those high frequencies disappeared long ago for me, and I still have a CRT TV in the garage. 😇. I may be old but I’m not a Luddite - I have a 65” 4K set in the living room. 👍
For me, aspect ratio was one of the roadblocks to switching from CRT to LCD. Widescreen Gaming Forum removed it.
theres a ton of 16:9 crts
@@Runslik3Wind I wish I could find them. But I haven't seen any at all.
@@flameshana9 Honestly you cant be looking hard. any made in the mid 2000s are widescreen.
@@Runslik3Wind Your facts are wrong. It's really hard to find a widescreen CRT. And not every crt tv made in 2000s is NOT widescreen. Majority still uses 4:3 ratio. In fact my family bought a Samsung TV in 2005 and doesn't even have a 16:9 option.
@@heavy_ang_patay yeah no.
i said mid 2000s lets just start here.
if a crt was made in 2005+ it was 16:9 or it was a low end model made for stragglers of the vhs days. if your only anecdote is that your family bought a 4:3 tv in 2005 don't bother bring up a 5 month old comment because i guarantee that next to that samsung crt was twice as many 16:9 crt televisions.
My grandma still has a crt. Whenever she turns it on it hurts my ears.
Please never stop making informational videos like these 🙏. Seriously, I could listen to you drone on about technology all day lol. 👍🙈
The fact that someone made analog broadcasting for tv illegal helped a ton in the process *slow clap*
In the US that "someone" was the Federal Communications Commision, it wanted to auction off that part of the radio spectrum to raise money.
@@JeffDeWitt Yes to make room in the spectrum for cell phone providers and it was done twice
i got a sony gmd fw900 in 2014 or 2015 and man, its a fascinating tech imo
that thing is a decade old and still trumps a lot of gaming monitors all while retaining amazing image quality (colors and black levels/viewing angles)
so sad that SED/FED tech never materialized :(
I'm jealous. Still have yet to see one in the wild... I'm rocking a 20L5 and 14L5 myself tho! :D.
What is SED/FED?
Any other melee players out there? Yeah we got this bros.
What is that?
My samsung Hitron CRT tv 📺 is 20yers old now & it still going strong day by day. I run it with a normal SD set top box & picture is very sharp & beautiful😍.
I love my vintage CRT tv📺. It is like my brother 😘
i still have a 15" CRT monitor in my mother's house, my old room has some unique relics... like an atari (might be broken) and nintendo 8 bits... never thought i could give them away.... and there they are, dusty and full of memories... ;´(
Counting the one in my room, I have seven CRTs, all different sizes.
Eight, if we count the small 7" portable CRT.
Nice! Got 4. Trying to get two more without teeing off my mom. What brands do you have?
My uncle took my nan's to the dump recently.
One thing i liked at them was that once you turned them on when i touched the screen i was a bit electrocuted but wasnt a painfull experience
TheRedViper you were electrocuted? Goddamn there’s either a zombie or ghost who typed this comment then, someone needs to get rid of it.
@@starman8853 i dont know english very well and you need to stop insulting everyone you dont like
@@KrotowX retarded people replying at this comment be like
@@theredviper7401 I'm not trying to insult you...... if you took it that way then too bad, I made an error.
I still use a 19" Toshiba CRT TV from 2003 and it still works, I bought a 2013 Magnavox 32" LED TV and I dropped it once it didn't even turn on, I've lost track of how many times I dropped my CRT TV and it still works to this day, the only damage is a little scratch on the CRTthat you need a microscope to see.
A "guesstimate" is that in the US alone are around a billion old crt sets hidden in attics or still in use, that needs to be environmentally processed at some point. The environmental aspect are massive worldwide regarding recycling the billions of sets no one wants any longer.
What about the flat hd panels that die in 5 or 6 years? They are a waste too.
@@muccisebastian9300 Absolutely, they are on the other hand current technology that people still use, and are send to scrap because they break down, not because the technology is considered obsolete like CRT tv's.
That’s why I play Virtual Console on the Wii, Wii U and Nintendo Switch on the Roku TV at 3:17.
This video didnt age quite so well
Didn't know there was a market for them, thanks as I was literally about to throw some out.
Tube TV? Why not just CRT.
Made me think it was another streaming service that never made it.
I use tube TV with non-techies. Communicates better.
@@Zoyx thought it was about usual TV channels broadcasting themselves with youtube.
@Matthew Cabor Same
When listening about tube screens I see old oscilloscope and radar screens. Those definitely was long tubes with tiny screens at end. Looked like police flashlights.
I remember the day I retired my 19" Samsung CRT. After years of solid service and keeping my den warm in winter I bought a 23" Dell flat panel. At first I thought they shipped an empty box. I just looked it up, the CRT was FIFTY ONE pounds! I think the replacement weighed 8 or 12 pounds with the stand!
Keeping room warm - exactly. We had heating issues in our apartment at that winter when I replaced my 17" Samsung CRT monitor to Acer 17" flat panel. First thing that I remember - permanently frozen hands while working with computer at next days after upgrade. Even wanted to put old CRT monitor back :)
I still have 2 tube TVs, because I need them for my retro consoles! One of them is a 29 inch Sony Trinitron Wega, weighing in at ~100 pounds. (50 kg). Yes, big and bulky, but it's practically the highlight and center point of my retro collection. It just makes you happy looking at the thing.
And with proper RGB Euro-SCART cables, the picture quality from my retro consoles is outstanding. IMO it's loads better than what I get on my HDTV.
About time you yourself a modern TV then as obsolete CRT TVS are very power hungry compared to modern televisions
I'll bet ya the youngsters today don't even know why this is called You TUBE.
The blurry scaling is something that shoupd have been fixed ages ago.
Why dont lcds have native integer scaling as an option?
They can't. It is not possible to hide ladder distortion for lines if pixels are too big and too few. Subsampling (darker pixels in on ladder artifact edges) help only for few cases. It basically was a reason why Apple introduced so called Retina display which in nutshell is a very high resolution display with very small pixels (over 270 dpi). Newer Samsung top phones (S9, S10) use similar displays as well and usually in lower resolution for energy saving.
@@KrotowX I'm talking about integer scaling.
It's not impossible.
All it does is scale the image with no filter [would result in distortion] but if it's only scaled by 2x/ 3x [whatever times it takes] and keeps rest of the are of the screen blank, then there shouldn't be any distortion.
Because cost. CRTs had pretty good scaling for free because of how they worked.
Integer scaling is worse than CRT scaling
twitter.com/CRTpixels/status/1405960949064900614
and scaling is just part of the issue, even the top end 360HZ gaming monitors have 4-5 ms pixel response times + sample and hold blur, which ruining the motion clarity of the image cuz its garbo technology.
And Im about to buy a Sony BVM ;P
sony bvm's are sick
@@Naitrio Especially the 20F1E/U ^^
@@Pflanzenritter29-old Yes definitely
Well I have an commodore crt but idk what bvm i should Pick up??
@@kyugiyeneku1803 I would look into the 14" PVMs or the 20F1E/U BVM. I would recommend the channels RetroTech, Phonedork and MyLifeInGaming if you want to learn more ^^
What I hate about flatscreen LCD TVs is that they don't support RGB display like CRT TVs do.
We still have our old Zenith from 1987 up at our cabin to this very day, and it still works even after being in a flood!
The Melee community will never let them die
CRT will never die
We didn't buy a family tv since 2004 i guess...
We still have that crt in the living room and we barely have the time to stay there and watch tv 😂😂😂😂
Got a Sony CRT TV from early 2000. I have so many memories with it that we finally took it to customer care to get it fixed and they said because of how old it is, the tubes will eventually die out. There is something so appealing about a CRT TV that I don't wanna switch to anything else.
About time you got something more up to date
Old CRT TVs are just huge power guzzlers
I’ll never forget the day I jokingly bought 12,000 crt monitors for $2 at a surplus auction. Then realized I had to do something with them all lol.
If your curious I stripped and scraped/recycled them all made $2400 but took 3 months.