The HEAVIEST Breakdown In The History Of Breakdowns | Meshuggah - Lethargica | First REACTION!
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Breakdown so nice, had to hear it twice(actually three times....but three doesn’t rhyme with nice, so here we are)
Thrice?
In some live versions they make the breakdown even heavier by slowing the tempo down in the guitar part before. Or maybe it’s just me. But still, one of the heaviest breakdowns to my knowledge also.
@@Denashi I like your style
PERIPHERY- OMEGA
Try "Marrow". Wait for the breakdown at the end. You'll thank me later ;)
For me, "Rational gaze" was the song that made me "get" Meshuggah. It's probably their easiest song and then you just have to realize 90% of their music is like that.
My first and favorite song from them!
If you don't catch the groove off the rip start it over for rational gaze but that song fuuuuuucks
IF you want to show someone meshuggah thats easy to get and starts them understanding broken time signatures. Start with the album Contradictions collapse. its pretty much polyrhythm metallica. great album and free on youtube hahaha
Also, its funny that you say rational gaze was the one that made you "get" meshuggah since it has one of their more complicated time signatures which was 23/16 so the guitars only truncated with the 4/4 drums every so often. However meshuggah was able to pull it off while still making the song somehwhat easy to head bang to. THAT is the brilliance of Meshuggah.
Yes Jordan Belfort blasting the Rational Gaze was the thing that made it to me
Having seen Meshuggah live, Lethargica hits HARD.
man he's gonna lose his mind when he hears the live version of Electric Red.
_you know the one_
the synchronized headbanging
Saw this vid pop up in my recommended and came here to leave that exact comment.
_i know the one_
Smartest decision of the night was to remove the tremolo from that breakdown.
My fave Meshuggah song, that isnt C-33 or I. #2 is Straws Pulled @ Random.
The ring on the bass tone in this song is incredible, you can whistle to it, it has its own melody
That is the correct way to react to the Lethargica breakdown. I for one can't recall anything more of a planet shattering gut punch than that one. Been listening to metal since late 70's, so...
Exactly man, and the live slowed down version hits even harderrrr
There's a version of this song in Norway that sounds absolutely disgusting.
This song is in 4/4. All the weird rhythms are just syncopations on top. The snare drum always falls on the 3.
Actually, it’s the way Meshuggah compose most of their songs.
But I’m feeling you. This was my first few years listening to Meshuggah too.
Snare is on 4 dude... like r u even all there?
@@boomerwithatumor4624 sounds like you've been counting wrong your whole life
@@soulorbit563 no . The snare hits on the 4.
@@boomerwithatumor4624 The ignorants are always the most offensively assertive ones. The snare is only on 4 if the beat starts on 4. Which there’s no reason for why it should. Meshuggah play in 4/4. The snare is on 3. You can ask around if you don’t want to count it out yourself. Let’s not make this into a comments war.
@@boomerwithatumor4624 yes, all of us are here. It hits on 3, like pretty much every other 4/4 half-time rock/metal song ever.
"Do not look down" isn't getting much attention. Great lyrics with a great groove. Happy New Year from Scotland bro \m/
I play that track in my car at least once a day. I put a system in my Kia Soul and messhuga rips in it.
bro just keep following the hi hat, even when it feels like its not in time it actually is, thats just meshuggah being meshuggah, i promise its much simpler than it seems
Meshuggah's Corridor of Chameleons has the HEAVIEST breakdown ever, IMO
Actually no, there’s no breakdown in Corridor of Chameleons.
@@renatomiceli1778 fuck yeah there is, one of my all time favourites, it's in the middle of the track
Yes it does
yessssiirrreeeeeee 'tis! also one of the few meshuggah tracks that starts out fast and just slows down
@@renatomiceli1778yes there is and it's heavy asf
Hoping for Rational Gaze next! The remastered version. Not the official video. It is shortened.
Finish your juice
@@olliecohen709 *FILTERED VITAMIN SUBSTANCE*
The original is better
remastered version? plz no, the original version, but not the official video
@@nicorido Remastered all the way. Those 8 strings make Nothing what it was meant to be. The programmed drums I could do without, but the guitars make up for it, IMO.
"Behind the sun"
"Combustion"
"Stengah"
Search for the songs with an "Ermz" remaster. Someone has given the songs a much fuller sound. I highly recommend it.
Bro, Stengah.
pravus, deshumanization "dat riff"
Stengah needs to happen. Nothing is my favourite Meshuggah album.
Ermz is Ermin Hamidovic who masters records for Architects and Periphery. He's a pro.
Agree with "Behind the sun" deep and intense song.
Maybe Born in Dissonance next? Would also love to see more Periphery, especially something from their second album.
YES, he would love Luck as a Constant.
He needs to do do not look down! I really fucking love it
@@ZuccAF that riff tho
I Think he could listen everithing about Periphery. They are absolutely insane!!!
@@alfierostante7599 they are, I love how versatile they can be too. Can't do no wrong in my humble opinion!
Ok so the tricky thing with the opening riff of Letharigca is that the riff phrases are 5 beats, 6 beats, 6 beats, 6 beats, OR [ 10/8 12/8 12/8 12/8 ], because of this it sneaks a compound feel (like Dancers) into the riff which, combined with a slow tempo, gives it that rolling, sludgy feel that makes it so hard to find the beat. But, the cymbal is keeping time in 4/4 (but there are lots of accents with the riff on other cymbals which masks it a little), and the snare is on beat 3.
this
i am actualy watching a man learning to headbang to Meshuggah, like with a theory and shit...
suddenly life became worth living.
love your videos man, makes me appreciate the metal life more
As a drummer you should definitely look up about time signatures if you want to know how to headbang to these songs! If you can successfully clap out a beat then you'll always be able to figure out when to find the '1' again!
By the way. Listen to combustion. Very straight forward song. That's the track all new Shuggah listeners should go to first.
Not to mention it has one of the greatest bass lines ever
Combustion is deceptively simple, though. It can really throw you off if you don't know the snare is on the back beat throughout the song. But I agree it does have a more straightforward sound to it. See: ua-cam.com/video/YsYClJk8Zv4/v-deo.html
Stop trying so hard to 'get it' the first time, it'll come naturally after a few listens. I often tap along many of their songs until I realize I am actually tapping accurate, once I start paying attention to it I fuck up.
I had a pretty fun experience with their song "Obsidian" a while back. You said something about the riffs being hypnotic in a way in the last video, and Obsidian is the perfect example of that feeling.
A friend and I were driving down a pretty empty country road in the middle of the day last year, when Obsidian started playing. I know my friend and I were talking, but at the time, it felt like being weirdly alone at the moment. It's a strangely unsettling experience that I'd recommend everyone try at least once. I don't know if it'd be a good song for a reaction video, since it's extremely repetitive and a bit dull if you're actively listening and trying to give your thoughts on it, but if you're just zoning out and not focused on it, it builds up the atmosphere a lot.
If you ever want to here a more melodic / jazzy sound of Meshuggah go for:
Ritual, Sublevels, Pitch Black or Stifled
Anyway, love the ObZen reactions. Next album you dive into should probably be 'Nothing'
Stengah. Nebulous. I love the slower heavy hitting songs. Perpetual black second will always be a favorite, and I believe he's already done straws pulled.
SOUL BURN!!
This is one of Meshuggah's heaviest tracks it is just insane lol that breakdown could make a black hole I swear. Definitely try to check out Ivory Tower or By the Ton both off of The Violent Sleep of Reason if you want some not so popular tracks that are nasty. Another couple good swedish bands to check out would be Dimman Fran Lutzen by Vildhjarta (Pronounced Vild-yarta) or Tide by Humanity's Last Breath
Dancers to a discordant system hits very hard too!
I use the black hole metaphor constantly.
It's a legitimate argument.
😂
Humanity's Last Breath is genuinely the most underrated band of all time
Ivory Tower and Pravus, reality shattering songs. Also headbanging to meshuggah is by snare not cymbal, You pick up your head and then come down on the snare. Although some of the faster tempo songs are by cymbal and others it really just depends.
Rational Gaze is very groovy and easier to catch the rhythm
It’s also a staple Meshuggah track, an absolute must listen
The way to headbang to meshuggah is to listen to the song 100 so u know it. Then its also difficult but its the only way. Just groove with it:)
absolutely fucking amazing as always!! try watching some of their live videos to see how they headbang, as alex said, you can nearly always headbang to 1 and 3. amazing reaction man, keep it up!!
Lol the timing of it was so perfect. Love this song!! Great job covering all these meshuggah songs
HE GETS IT!!! Favorite song by my favorite band. Your headbanging is in there man, keep it up!
Love your reactions man!!
A great way to get your brain to hear the 4/4 groove in Meshuggah is listen the first song on Chaosphere... Concatenation. Its one of the most chaotic Meshuggah tunes. Then listen to the remix of it on the Rare Trax album. The only differences are its slowed down quite a bit, and the drums were changed to a simple more recognizable groove. Same exact time signature and structure though. Your mind will be blown.... its quite a revelation. I think they remixed that song literally to show people the method behind the madness.
Mannn you are underrated!!! Love your reactions
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Yess! I am s glad you are into Meshuggah now! :) Other less known tracks: "Electric Red" from obZen AND "Pitch Black" - this one never made on their Nothing album and they only recently revived it as a single! Wait for the guitar solos AND Drum solos from Thomas
Daaamn, off for a few days and in the meantime Drew has done almost half of obZen. AWESOME! I love how this series has turned into a longform tutorial on how to headbang to Meshuggah. And yeah... THAT breakdown. Oooph! And your reaction... hahahaha! :D
(Also... do MARROW please ;P )
Keep up the reactions, good stuff.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone mention this band yet, but after you’re done with the Meshuggah vids, a band you might wanna check out would be Textures. A good starter song would be Singularity
Singularity is a dope song, dont get me wrong. But if he really is going to react to Textures in the future, I think it would be a much more pleasure, if he listens to one of the songs with their former singer. Back in the day, it really hurt when he left the band. They found a really good replacement for him, but at least to me it never was the same again. I feel like, if the album "Silhouettes" would be released today, everyone would just be blown away. A 10/10 perfect album in my opinion, Unfortunately they were ahead of their time. I feel like the whole modern prog/djent scene evolved just a few years later. For instance "Storm Warning" is such a fucking masterpiece of a song!
But yea, he should listen to them anyway! xD
A tip that may help you with the grooves is that when you find the hi hit or cymbal you are talking about, keep headbanging in the exact same rhythm as them even if they change or start playing a different cymbal groove for a sec. If you just keep headbanging in that 4/4 rmeter without breaking it, you'll start to find things just start magically syncing up. Find a quick vid on 4/4 polymeter if you really wanna put the nail in the coffin
I was really confused too, when he got out of the rhythm, after getting it ... it just continued the whole time
How about Pantera's "Domination", Drew? to me that is one hell of a breakdown!! i saw you did that one on your playlist!
Yeah panteras break down still #1 lol
@@odinnsson9181 meh
That breakdown is one of the most basics and boring breakdowns, very overrated
Check the hundreds of other 'reactors' who's seen it, I guess :))
The live version in Moscow is significantly better than the studio version
More people need to react to this, thank you for reacting to this fucking goldmine of a breakdown 🤘
I just love your accent! I always love the way you react every song in great detail. If you miss me haha, please react Agseisa for another version of when I look at you. It might be not your favourite genre but her husky voice hmm....damn good!!!
Drew i love how much effort you're putting into finding the beat🤘🤘 If you really want to feel good about yourself finding it try "Do not look down" or "Swarm" ....both kickass tunes with serious driving rhythm!🤘🤘 Awesome reactions btw!! Keep it up!!!
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Yeees! He has got to do dont look down!
How is it now Drew? Now that you have looped that ending riff 1000 times? Sick huh? Love your reactions and your passion for the good sh*#. That ending riff haunted me for years....
One thing to remember with meshuggah is that the beat NEVER changes (in almost every song), and usually i can see when youre not even trying, your headbang-feeling is right. Just dont let off-beat accents fool you, and keep going with the same pulse and it will line up.
But yeah in this one the symbals weren't as clear in the mix, which could make it trickier.
It's like every damn song on this album has that godly riff drop. 10:45 like oh my f'n word...
Anyways, one tip I have is that a lot of the time you don't need to lose the feel once you have it. It actually keeps it through a lot of the song no matter the song changes. You just have to get used to the guitar riffs hitting off beat of your head nod, and just keep your nod going. But more you listen to the song and know the changes, the more you can pick up which cymbal/hihat or snare hits on your nods.
Exactly this
"You just have to get used to the guitar riffs hitting offbeat of your head nod"
Thats the part of their music, that usually makes the whole groove for me even more intense! Dancing on my own to Meshuggah while cooking, is a thing! xD
Lmfao loving the reactions dude
I agree, that breakdown is filthy 🤤 I’m still chasing their guitarsound but unfortunately my wallet doesn’t wanna do what I want! 😅😩 Bought a 8-string guitar after I read an Meshuggah interview back in 2011 (I think) where it said that they are playing 8-string guitars, and of course I needed one as well. Now it’s just the right amp and pedals that are missing...oh, and my skills! Lol!
Great reaction again,! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤙🏻
Man, I saw this song live with my GF, literally about snapped out necks, whole body was rumbling. You gotta see them if they ever come to the UK man, unbelievable musicianship. Great video as always king. If I can suggest a song for you, check out The Violent Sleep of Reason by Meshuggah, absolutely excellent tune
Combustion man! Opener of Obzen, the groove is dope.
drew, the beauty in this music is that you can listen to whatever rhytm/subdivision/tempo you want! so bop you head however you want man
my mans you gotta pickup catch 33 someday. whenever you feeling really chill, relaxed and got an hour to spare give that badboy a listen. that album was such a trip and to this day i have yet to go through an experience like that again, got me completely immersed like i was meditating, but also that was really the first and only album to ever get me so genuinely afraid like i was watching the scariest horror movie. when that last breakdown hit i just stood up with my mouth wide open for a good 3 minutes trying to understand what i just witnessed lmao
I love that you are seeing the lesser known songs can be beautiful and intense. ❤️❤️
Most of their songs are in 4/4, just follow the cymbals and snare... their songs are so easy to headbang and groove to 🤷🏻♂️
All are in 4/4.
@@residuex yes
It’s literally all groove idk what this guy is on
@@residuex most
Since you liked this one so much, Nebulous has to be next. And remember, it’s gotta be the re-issue version. It’s just mixed so much better
Awesome reaction, I always enjoy when you do Meshuggah. If you want something even heavier and slower by then, do Into Decay! And if you want something even heavier and slower still, check out Mizmor - Cairn to God, would love to see you do that one.
Loving the Meshuggah reactions man. Next would be awesome to see you take a listen to Do Not Look Down, from the same album as "Break Those Bones..." Massive groovy number
Bro, this was awesome to watch.
Just do Corridor of Chameleons and enjoy headbanging for the last 2.5 minutes without having to think too much.
If its any help mate, I find that with Meshuggah it helps to groove along to the pulse of the song and not the beat, which is essentially what you're already doing (bopping your head to the "1 2 3 4" you're picking up from the symbals). What the message from Alex is saying (I think) is headbang in half time i.e. Only bang your head in the 1st and 3rd of the "1 2 3 4" the symbals helped you find. Head down on beat one, rise it up through beat two, repeat.
Aside from that, I too am still blown away by this breakdown every time I hear it.
That's exactly what I was trying to say, the way I put it was too cryptic...to sum it up: half time headbanging
Would be dope if you reacted to "School of Djent" its a vid of the school of rock movie but with djent sound track to it, such a fun watch 😂
the hi-hats are the lighthouse guiding through the fog
the first time I listened to this track, my whole house just sinked
What may be throwing you off is the cymbal is hitting 1,2,3,4 for one measure and then hitting 1,2 and then off beats of 3, and 4. So everytime you lock in you have to carry your self through the offbeat hits until it lines up again. As soon as you "correct" yourself when Haake hits offbeat you will be off for when it returns to the downbeat.
Are you ready? You sure? Here it comes again. Behind the Sun by Meshuggah!!
you have to react to Stengah, it'll absolutely blow your mind!
You had it right following the hi hat/cymbals..and in most cases the snare. MOST of Meshuggah's tracks you can count 1..2..3..4 and stay on. everything else just moves around that. if you just keep nodding in time when you hear that hat going, STAY ON IT. Everything else is syncopation, fucking around with the 4, which is what makes it interesting and have movement like it does. When you did that New Millennium Cyanide Christ vid with them in the RV, I kept wanting to grab your face while you were looking away trying to figure it out and be like, "DUDE!! WATCH THEM BANG!!! THIS IS THE WAY!!! THEY'RE LITERALLY SHOWING YOU!!!". But that's also what makes Meshuggah sound awesome ;) When in doubt, if you find something that feels normal for most of the time, stay on it and you'll be good brotha ;) you're doing great, keep it up!
Watch more live vids and pay attention to the guitar/bass players. they're almost ALWAYS synched.
Those tiny moments of major harmony in the outro are like crack to me
its my fave Meshuggah track by far
When you started to headbanging a 4/4 rhythm when you repeated the breakdown at 9:14, was correct. Even though it may seem offbeat when the next measure comes, just keep the 4/4 timing and it will synch up.
For a first time listener of Meshuggah you dont really find a the rhythm. You just let the music cascade over you. After you have listened to them a few times thats when you pick up the beat.
I always listen for what the cymbals are doing to find the groove/tempo. Even if there are different cymbals being hit, that is generally where the count is going to be done. Sometimes you can try and figure it out by listening to where the snare falls but that can be easier said than done most of the time with this genre of music. Just stick with the cymbals, and they will generally never steer you wrong. Just listen to whatever cymbal is being consistently hit and just nod to that for the rest of the song even if there is a change in time or a quiet part, and you'll land back on the snare again when the song picks back up. Tapping your foot to the pulse can also help you find it while you are listening.
This is my personal favorite on Obzen such a powerful riff and I love the creepy bridge! Them Boom! Hits you with a nasty ass breakdown right after!
Yes dood yes this track goes so hard! 🤣 I thought you was gonna jump out the damn window lol this is definitely my favorite reaction to lethargica
i've just find this video now, and like, you reading on the internet a tutorial of how to headbang to meshuggah have made my night, thank you so much for this moment
Usually the snare is what to follow or the power hand on a crash, china or hats. Once you find the groove, it usually stays consistent. Like dragging a quarter note. Find the groove and keep that same rhythm. It may drag on certain counts but, always falls back into the same pocket. Side note...his hands usually keep 4/4 time. The kick is what presents the poly.
This is indeed a super heavy breakdown, but you gotta check out some of The Acacia Strain to hear some off the gnarliest breakdowns ever. They definitely take someeshuggah influence when it comes to guitar work and breakdowns
As far as meshuggah and counting the grooves goes, the riffs are typically a long pattern built off the same rhythmic motif and every time the riff repeats (“ so to say” ) one segment of the motif changes causing the groove to be displaced over the bar line. The 4/4 meter usually carried by the cymbal or hi-hat allows you to hear the displacements as the motif develops and eventually after a certain number of changes the riff loops back around and catches up on itself. Where it gets tricky though is that in certain songs like New millennium cyanide Christ they will drop a 16th note out of the 4/4 meter on purpose, causing a subtle almost unnoticeable shift especially at faster tempos. Hope that helps, Glad you’re doing the videos, they are an unbelievable band. Definitely recommend “Do not look down” and “The mouth licking what you’ve bled” Cheers!
This Spiteful snake from the obzen album....badass riff @ 1.43 minutes! Did a cover of the song myself
Usually when you can't find the beat pattern in a Meshuggah song just wait for the vocals to start, he most often starts right on the "one" beat and can be easier to follow than the instruments. Other than that, the hihats or crash cymbal almost always keeps a constant pulse you can bang your head or dance to.
Try watching a live video of the songs afterwards to see the crowd headbanging to the rhythm
Stifled and This Spiteful Snake are highly overlooked gems. This band never misses.
The entire "Catch Thirtythree" album could be my favorite piece of work of theirs as a whole... beautiful composition. (kind of have to listen to it all together, but not suggesting you do that on stream - 47min journey)
I reckon these will be some of the last songs you'll react to them of but the title track from VSOR and Concatenation (REMIX) are two must hear songs imo.
Coming back to this a year later. Especially after watching your reaction to immutable and how hard you groove to God He Sees In Mirrors. Funny how Meshuggah makes all of us fans better at rhythm. I for sure have benefited.
Amazing reaction 🤣🤣🤣
you need to do Behind the sun! It's amazing!
Drew you seem to be looking for the groove in these songs, which is understandable. That being the case you should check out some of their more groovier songs. I'd check these three out in particular Swarm, Marrow, Electric Red. However, if you want your mind blown, then check out Behind the Sun, and The Demon's Name is Surveillance.
Yep, that's easily one of them. Top 3 tracks from The Mesh Bros. containing the CRAZIEST breakdowns are found in Lethargica(already checked off), Pravus and Future Breed Machine. Rock on and God bless! :)
Well I guess if you're gonna keep posting bangers like this, I kinda have to sub.
Hey Drew, not related to Meshuggah but you should definitely download ad block.
Follow Thomas's hands, let the feet and guitars do their thing. THERE IS SAFETY IN BOBBING WITH THE HI HAT!
Face melt alert !! Count in 4 with the cymbals that you hear and try not to get distracted by the odd time signatures, Thomas will come back with you in 4 as you count. Try this 😉
That breakdown disintegrated me. I haven’t heard in over a year and it still gets me every time
I hope you do the whole rest of the ObZen album. One of my favorites. The track ObZen and also Pineal Gland Optics are two of my favorite 'Shug songs of all time
Also part of the fun with Meshuggah is finding the groove. The person in your DM is correct. In this song it's still the cymbals. The snare is on 3 of every measure. If you want your 'Shug listening experience to be a bit more "relaxing", you can listen to the cymbals but "feel" the song in half time on 1 and 3 (so "feel" the song every other hit).
PS I sent you an IG DM that might help you out
Pineal gland ....lord. That songs amazing.
Yeah the Hihat is the way to go it gives you the beat. If you can hear it you will have no problems to head-bang along the intricate rhythms. Keep up the good work enjoying your reactions. Meshuggah is a very unique band always was, always will be. Or you love them or you hate them there's no in-between. My best wishes to you. 😁
I’ll watch you do a reaction to all their songs
You need to listen to the live version of this. They somehow manage to make it EVEN HEAVIER
The snare is your go to here. It hits on the 3rd beat so just nod on every quarter from there. Pause your grove when the song diverges and then just hop back on with the snare.
Following the crash helps sometime.
You had it basically the whole time, you're overthinking it bro. Haha, just feel it, and listen to the highhats and crashes. In all their music from what I've discovered...
Drew...I think you are ready for the journey that is...
*CATCH 33*
The live version of this song on Ophidian Trek is so nuts. They make the breakdown even heavier
THIS....is one of my favourite Meshuggah songs!!!
Soooo gooood!!!
@@mynameisshovel1681 It is a banger, for sure! Glad to see you are getting into Meshuggah finally... About bloody time my man!
I was there , 2019 Meshuggah tour, they stopped and played at Budapest.
The whole show was a blast, but the way they played Lethargica got me. One cymbal , and they are in the song, before the breakdown hits, they actually slow the tempo, to make it hit even bigger.
Drew, listen to the cymbals on 1-2-3-4 and the snare hits that land on 3. It doesn't work for all of their songs, but for some of them, or parts of them. Just like that guy said. Try counting while you're listening.