I think the biggest thing I do like is the level cutoffs. It's like a patch every time. I think it's going to give time for blizzard to figure out where something is working or not. I absolutely love that there is no beta testing even though we have people data mining stuff. My main is a warlock but I will say I have no intention of being a tank. Great concept though. I did tank for mimiron in original wotlk. I'm actually hoping that they do more with crafting, and make drops or patterns much more rare. I remember in original tbc and see a Rouge with the off hand glaive and thought he was a god.
Very hyped to be a shaman tank in Season of Discovery. I had always wished that the idea of a shaman tank had gotten more love. The talents and abilities were always kinda there, but now they’re really going for it and I’m here for it!
one thing i feel bad for blizzard about is that they will NEVER please everyone ever lol, they have the worst fanbase that is always gonna be split and hate anything they do.
Thats funny, since pleasing most people is rather easy. For the vaaast majority the game doesnt need to be anywhere near perfect to them. Simply choosing good design decisions checks of if the game is "good" to begin with. Classic was very close to that but the small loud community that is progress players wanted more content quicket back then and blizzard complied and that was the beginning of the end. Classic + if done correctly can easy kill world of warcraft, that said, only retail. There will always be a very very small core which simply wants to play nostalgia classic, i though like playing classic because its simply closer to a good mmotpg then any other game, the rpg is still intact....
No they just need to stop being a bad company and put the game first not money. It's not difficult. It's a community that's been let down time and time again. You must be young and new here. It's ok.
New sets: TOTALLY agree! Reinforce some of those runes with new levelling sets. Plus: in classic, it's always disappointing when you out-level a low-level set before you even get the whole thing
There are no healing rogues or tanking mages. Go through the runes again, it’s rogue and warlock tanks. Mage healers. There’s no “everyone can do every role”
I'm not sure about all the new abilities. The great thing about classic is the speciality that your class has. If we go the route of 10 healers, 10 tanks, and 20 DPS, then that dilutes your choice greatly.
Not everyone is gonna tank and heal. Some classes get to tank, some get to heal, but not all of them. And they can modify and tweak them, too. But if you think about it, right now the only tanks that seriously get used are Warriors, so giving anyone else a fighting chance is good.
I really feel like you should have done some simple research on this one. Many things you said were incorrect. For example, they ARE adding gear for the new raid. You said they weren't. There were several other things that you said that were incorrect. If you had simply watched any of the content they've released since and during Blizzcon, you would have been able to give accurate information. I love your content, but bro, this video was lazy and rushed.
I hope that if they do classic + they won't do + levels. The point of classic is that every raid, every content is meaningful. The moment U increase the lvl cap all the previous raids become irrelevant.
I think wow is the best game ever made. Wow is the only game I play.... however this whole discovery deal i'm not into AT ALL. This is so far from classic.. I want CLASSIC + more raid content... not runes and all this weird stuff
You're worried about balance on a classic WoW server? Vanilla was anything BUT balanced! XD There were so many classes that were flat out not viable for end gaming raiding back in the day. If anything, these new features might actually make Vanilla playable.
Making a 2nd post here since I wanna help out Nixxiom, such a great guy. We did get some things we've asked for. Shaman/Pala tanks. We did NOT ask for rogue/lock tanks, mage healers. There are many reasons many (myself incl) left Retail for Classic. We did not leave that to play some Retail light game (Season of Disaster). All they had to do was to make under the hood changes and maybe some class tweaks. Give Shadow Priest and Boomkins some kind of mana regen etc things like that, not overtune ofc. The entire point of Classic+ was to *expand* on Vanilla content, not just reuse it. Retailers replying "don't play it then". Classic+ was not about to make a "Retail Classic" or such.
SoD is basically an experimental precursor for a classic+. Blizz dunno what classic+ should be so they're gonna experiment and let feedback guide the way for future real classic+ content. They are borderline creatively bankrupt at this point so they throw anything in there and check was sticks and "Discover" it. SoD is *NOT* Classic+ it's a beta for it. Blizzard messes up retail so more people goes to classic. These changes are just retail imports and make classes extremely broken. All those bfa runes will replace some classic talent points. My fear is that this changes vanilla too much into retail, ability wise. I would much rather like to see an attempt to rebalance the wild class disparities in vanilla, rather than give them the retail treatment.
Let's face reality. With season of discovery, the servers will be flooded with people who wanna try this, including myself. Hopefully, the servers waiting lines will be shorter this time......
The rune thing sounds interesting, and I recall Tabula Rasa had the same thing as the way your character would learn new abilities, and I used to love being out in the world and finding one of them. I am always here for anything Classic, because it just has a charm that always brings me back over and over.
I find it hilarious and sad that blizz announced classic + and classic cata. And some femboys started QQing about classic cats … even though they are getting what they want!
And well Runes are just another 'borrowed power' system... something players hate in the long term and have for years. Its the bad meme we were given from Cat onward.
Disagree with the levelling raid set idea as it would make all existing gear whilst levelling obsolete and dampen vanillas biggest strength adventuring around the world as you level and finding gear, new gear scattered through the world would be better imo.
This does feel like blizzard is experimenting with the idea of a classic+ and depending on how it’s received by the players they might be able to add more resources to it
They removed 35 levels of gameplay, 15 dungeons, and 4 raids, hundreds of quests. How is this a "plus"? They removed classic stuff, and filled it with retail stuff.
I still remember when classic came every streamer scream NO CHANGES! it did not take long for a few voices start to say a few changes. Now its classic+! I dont play it but i think its hilarious 😂
is that not the funniest thing ever? they swore by classic and it being the best version of wow and didn’t want any changes and now people want changes to jt 😂
Clasaic is still there guys... Available to play..... If it wasnt, people would still be asking for it before classic plus. Your just a couple of bimbos missing extremely obvious marketing and player retention concepts.
Of course. When Blizzard rereleased Classic WoW, people wanted no changes. They wanted to reexperience the game that they grew up with and loved. Now that time has come and that time has gone. And where it might've been expected for Classic WoW to simply die off after its run in 2019, instead it just grew larger. Even the original game, vanilla, still has a booming population, on top of Hardcore. So people began to wonder and lean into the possibility of a Classic Plus someday, now that Classic WoW had been enjoyed all over again. Would Blizzard do it though? Probably not. Which is why Classic Plus was such a big surprise at Blizzcon for so many. It isn't that people are going back on their word, it's just that we got the OG Classic WoW dream fulfilled and now people are dreaming for something new, fresh and exciting. Regardless, original WoW (Vanilla) will always remain the greatest MMO experience in gaming history; the game that changed the world.
There is a difference between what you think you’re talking about and what you’re actually talking about. Classic wow in essence is nothing more than the idea of a stripped down version of the game it doesn’t mean a museum. You can take a fantastic platform in this case the original version of world of Warcraft and build of that platform not change it. Adding raids, stories, dungeons, and class “adjustments” doesn’t ruin vanilla if it focuses on the classic experience. It’s fleshing out the original vision not changing it.
@@NixxiomOnUA-camI just want NO WOW TOKEN to always be how it is for classic. I quit TBC Classic because I knew when they added the TBC Pack with the boost and mount, that they would add the Wow Token and they did in Wrath and it just kills any feel of achievement or Gear feeling nice when earned when someone else can be more geared just because they have actual money they can spend like crazy.
The problem with classic is that they bill it as being like OG. The problem is that its not like original and never was. Maybe i will make a video about all the differences i know of that make it a one off for me…
classic wow is a perfect game already you don't have to fix or add anything ..don't tell anyone this secret. SoD will be another wow expansion that will make the game feel smaller.
Yo Nixxiom, you may have missed Ascension, they did runes a few years ago and have now improved on it. Though Ascension is WAY more in depth and crazy blizz has kept it simple and true to class identity with abilities you get. Yes mage heal and lock tank is a bit wild but look at Ascension and it's not that crazy :)
@@Pihtorich For sure. For me it is a fun experiment I have played a few times for about a month then put it away, it takes a long time to wrap your head around but for me it's not sustainable for a long time. SOD is a perfect blend of what private servers have done with Blizzard special sauce, can't wait :)
Yeah... they literally lifted the rune concept from the Ascension's 1000+ Mystic Enchants with varied degrees of affect on on your character, ranging all the way up to new class archetypes such as dark ranger and shadowy vampiric healer. They even copied the idea of placing them on gear, which Ascension had until recently when they figured out that people hated that, and now offer a glyph UI for you to slot them into instead. This whole idea just screams Ascension (runes) + Chromiecraft (level locking). Despite what you may think, I desperately wish Blizzard would explore making content like this, and make it even better than private servers do. However, unless they take these ideas and run wild with them, and I mean REALLY give people new exciting ways to play rather than simply importing newer expansion skills, adding healing effects to basic skills to make them a "healer", and tweaking threat values to make a class a "tank", this is nothing more than a half-baked copy and paste with the intention of baiting people into subscribing for a little while. This clearly isn't Classic+, it's them testing the waters for "Seasonal League" game modes like OSRS does.
Thanks for writing this. I was scrolling the comments to see, if anyone else would point out that the rune concept sounds identical to what Ascension server does. Not exact copy ofc. but similar enough. Let's hope Blizzard manages to take ideas from other games (servers in this case) and do it better.
Very happy with what Season of Mastery is looking like, and I have no doubt that they'll do more if its successful. This is definitely them testing the waters of what will work and what players like. If this goes well, I can definitely see them exploring more and more of the unfinished content that was intended for the game. I can also see them adding new races and quests, maybe even a new class?? Not right away obviously, but down the road. I hope it goes well for them because I imagine they had some fun building it and I would like them to continue to do so.
The level cap they are doing at 25 and that being a 'low level end game' actually was done before on a server called Revelation WoW which then shut down for one reason or another. They had/have super high ambitions(ORG/SW revamp, zone revamps etc) and the server was in the middle of being worked on and was kind of a mess at the time. It looks like they might be trying to reboot but /shrug. Anyways from the bit i played of it, they capped it at 20 or 25 and had the same idea of 'level banding' that Blizz is using. They had world bosses with custom gear. You could even play as a murloc and tuskarr, which was fun. SoD is going to basically be a beta testing version and people need to go into it realizing that because as they iterate SoD it just gives the higher potential of these iterations being part of a future classic + permanent server... who knows. People poo poo anything these days without trying it because well.. they're idiots. SoD looks fun and worth a try.
I'm really excited. I love the idea of more flavor for the classes, feeling more like the rpg classes. I really hope the professions get more love too. Engineering could have so much more little gadgets.
I am coming back to the game for this season. It looks great, and TWoW has become damn near unplayable with the massive legion of chinese players taking it over. The one thing I really wish they would do is take this server and use it to create a completely different path/narrative for Classic. We already knows what happens with the game and the world, which is why Cata+ plus is ass. I would love for the Classic team to create an alternate timeline and just try new shit out. The Dark Portal never opens. What would the future of Azeroth be then? So many possibilities!! We already have dumbass alternate Draenor with WoD. They can do alternate Azeroth.
I'm stoked , another dive into classic with a twist . They didn't reinvent the wheel they just added some tread to it , my favorite parts are the lvl cap delays ( i hope it's at least 2 months , giving us plenty of time to explore our zones and "discover " the goodies And pvp!! looking forward to the lvl 40-50 lvls because in classic you did the grind hard in those lvls and hardly had time to enjoy the game .. .. Enjoying a game as you lvl up vrs running to end game and hear people complain about everyone not knowing there class is gonna be great 😂
My only problem with Blizzard's take on Classic + is that these are seasons not a full on classic +, I get it that they are just trying out new stuff and seeing the players reactions and collecting feedback but why not just open classic + servers for good and update it and work on them much like OSRS. That would be a dream come true, Blizzard getting the WoW Classic team to work on the classic + in the same way as Jagex does with OSRS. Community polling on stuff and just being open and (mostly) honest about what direction the classic + would go. Me personally, I'd love to see official take on the Turtle WoW classic, expand the old world map in lore accurate way and finish off quests and unfinished content that was still in vanilla or planned for vanilla, like Gilneas and the elf lands etc.
They want to see what works before they drop Classic+. Voting is never gonna work. It would be a mess. OSRS is also shit, honestly, it looks like shit, y'all have to have some serious nostalgia to play that shit ass looking game. It looks not much better than a Super Nintendo game.
That level cap and BFD as the endgame raid is weird and unexpected but I think this is the best way they could've done it. Especially since BFD is my favourite WoW dungeon.
My expectations are fairly tempered for this. I'm excited for what it turns into, but for now I'm looking at it like they're just testing the waters before they go ham on Classic.
AHAHAHAH "no server has ever done this before: runes". Bubby, Nixxiom, may I introduce you to quite possibly the best alternate wow server of all time? Ascension WoW made the RE (random enchant) system and is still perfecting it to this day. You got shit like enchants that turn cat form into a serpent form that causes poison and bleed damage. You got enchants that turn Seed of Corruption into a Typhoon-like wave that applies Unstable Affliction to targets when you have max stacks of it's corresponding buff. Blizzard may have made WoW, but they've stolen the RE system. It ain't new.
I've been one of those people who played WoW since day one and wanted an expansion of EK/Kalimdor. I loved a lot of the features and content of TBC and other expansions but they never satisfied or delivered on that initial desire. Always wanted Grim Batol but that dungeon in Cata was tied to the storyline of Cata. Classic+ is the way forward for me to be intereted in WoW again. I'm not really liking the SoD path forward, I don't think runes and the inclusion of TBC/Other Xpack talents and abilities is the way - I would much rather it fall in line with vanilla's way of doing it like Warrior quest for Berserker stance, etc. They can have new talents and abilities but "discovering" runes and affixing them to gear slots is not really compelling to me tbh. I would like more raids, sets, quests and dungeons and world bosses along the way, AND post Naxx Tier 4, 5, 6, etc. all at level 60 without invalidating the current content. I haven't played Turtle WoW but I like their decisions and way of doing things more. High Elves and (Draenei/Worgen(?)and Goblins/Ogres on Horde would be awesome. More customization options and always wanted a transmog system too to fully appreciate the visuals of sets like Judgment independent of gameplay too. I realize everyone looks differently at what they want classic+ to look like, but those are my thoughts
They have some cool ideas, but I really miss baseline/talent adjustments. Mana/low dmg problems on meme specs, half-baked base abilities (wind wall totem) and talents. Shamans can finally tank but have to take a rune despite having half a talent tree already built for tanking, it should not be required to rune for something you were originally built for. Lightning Shield (a tanking skill) cannot work with Earth Shield/Water Shield, as a tanking Shaman with less mitigation than other tank classes *AND* mana problems, what's the big idea? If all shaman specs have mana issues, is Shamanistic Rage an option or is it a necessity? Where's my 2h enhancement shaman going? Is this classic+ or classic-? Instead of pissing of paladins and shamans by distributing their buffs across faction and making them mandatory runes for hunters, druids and paladins to take, just give horde (forsaken) dark paladins and alliance shamans (dwarves). Merge crit/spellcrit, hit/spellhit, add general weapon skill on more items/more accessable, and put in a base ap scaling on magical sources of damage, like Serpent Sting, Poisons, Shaman spells etc. Remove debuff limit. Remove immunities on bosses Take a careful look at pvp balance. Rogues are already op in pvp, do they need shadow step, frost shock and a ranged kidney? Do frost mages need self healing capabilities? Runes are a nice idea, but they should be optional, not mandatory.
Go BIG! I agree 100%. Hey, at least Blizzard is listening. They are building Classic + they are just doing it using the leveling gates to do trial and error along the way. Hell, at least they're doing SOMETHING. "You think you do, but you don't...." is long gone now.
I'm sorry an unbalanced mess? That's what classic is what do you mean? if anything it will be MORE balanced at least in terms of every spec being more viable. Paladins will be able to be something other then a healer without being a f-ing meme. same with 2handing as a warrior and various other specs and playstyles that were just complete garbage due to how unbalanced classic was for them. Like thats part of the entire point of this whole deal. What's going to be potentially difficult to balance is the difficulty of end game content against all the classes being more powerful. Though classic proved when it came out that hey guess what, its raid are not hard. they got steam rolled. So honestly I'm more concerned with the end game content actually managing to be more challenging fun and engaging. As for pvp balanced....classic was the single most unbalanced bullshit pvp that ever existed. i am a Grand Marshal warrior so i know how unbalanced that bullshit was. Was it fun? Hell yeah! Was it balanced in any way? HELL NO!
Season of Recycling - Yet again Blizz is following their trademark business model of recycle , reuse and rename 99% of everything , offering yet again , nothing new or creative . FUCKING YIKES !!!
"No matter what they add in Classic it's going to be fine, there is no risk". Players proceed to lose their shit when they try to add something new, 'aight. Also when you talk about sets, you know for Classic, that version of the game that barely has any content available besides leveling, some dungeons a raid and WORLD FACTION PVP, you seem to miss the consequences anything will bring to the terribly balanced version of the game. Can't wait for y'all to lose your shit when you won't be able to level your useless shaman spec when you'll get your asses camped by some twink rogue that did nothing but grind out those sets and skills just to gank you non-stop.
I'm really happy with the level increments. It actually gives a reason to level professions while you level because you can't go straight to 60 and grind your profession out to max. I think I might try LW or tailoring on my boomie this time around. Alchemy was nice, but having relevant gear that scales with me would also be nice.
Blizzard is just ripping off Ascension with runes. It's a fun little gimmick for a while but over time the cracks start to show with balancing and it changes the overall feel of the game in a way that DOESN'T feel like World of Warcraft. If they open new servers for SoD specifically like they did with Hardcore then I don't see this as a problem but if they just throw it in the game and expect everything to be hunky dory then it's going to impact classic in a negative way.
There is actually a private server who made the discovery a thing, it's called WoW Ascension, on that Server the discovered spells are Scrolls spread across the world and you can use them to obtain spells and passives randomly and not just related to your Class or Race. Just like in Manga and Manhua, just like what an MMO should be, not a single player can be similar to the other in terms of build, you can be unique. feels like playing Solo Leveling but in wow universe xD hopefully blizzard does similar Season in the future
Im not necessarily against the rune system but the raids at each bracket will add itemization that ruins the current progression. The itemization already had a good progression path. Now youve made a bunch of quest items and dungeon items irrelevant. Basically removes content if now i dont need to run other dungeons for loot that is not good anymore because the new raid loot is just so much better. And that will be happening at each bracket. Then theres ashran (ashenvale) pvp where you will be riding around mounts and have buffs of 100% hp/dmg and such. No thanks. I dont like my character feeling/playing different in one zone and different everywhere else. My characters power needs to feel cohesive and consistent or it breaks my immersion. I wish they had just tuned the dungeons a bit maybe added a few more interesting mechanics and SETS like you mentioned. Not making most dungeons irrelevant because theres a new raid at that lvl bracket.
So just want to correct you because you didn’t do proper research at the beginning of the video. The concept of. Rune carving already existed on Ascension. And it’s been confirmed by blizzard of three classes that will be changed. Mage will be a healer, rogue, and waterwalk will be tanks. that’s all that’s being changed. Otherwise, the rest of your videos is spot on.
They want people playing retail, they wont go all out. This classic+ pseudo thing looks halfassed from the beginning. Just go play on private servers, they've been giving real classic+ experience for years now with real rebalanced talent trees, new abilities and content. I love this concept, that's why I can't be asked to even look it from a far and for the first time I'm playing psevers primarily.
Homogenization of the classes sucked in retail and it will suck even worse in Classic. Rogues and mages that can heal? Warlocks that can tank? Seriously? What we have with SoD is Classic with a thick slathering of retail on top. Yuck. Honestly, Blizzard could screw up a free lunch.
The set would be cool if the 2 set was faster cast on gathering buy 2% or 10% , then it will be something people keep for the whole game then ppl would farm the raid just for that bonus for gold farming
Is this cool, yes. It could end up being very fun and cool. Is this what we've been asking for... Not at all... We tell Blizz what we want, what we'd play and they go, "here's a bagel". Uh thanks, but can we still get that other thing?
Woah metamorphasis, an ability we've never seen before! Cmon Nixxion yk they're just copying Ascensions first season and implementing mechanics from turtle wow as well. SoD seems pretty lame. I have a better and a free version of classic plus already now ..
Imma be honest. I don't give a shit about 'balance' at this point. Just make it fun, make it useful, make it matter. If one or another skill is obviously broken, you'll hear about it and they can fix it but the obsession with E-Sports and balance is why Retail feels so mechanical.
I've been playing since vanilla. Seriously, who cares at this point. They want our money, dlc cost 80 to 90 dollars. Do they really care? That's a hard no. Just let the game die at this point and let a die hard fan buy it and refavmp it fix it that way the players actually want it. Stop enabling thus nonsense. Have some standards
Is anyone worried about the bots and gdkp? No matter how good the game is, this is what killed classic era all the way to wotlk. All parties involved too; the people using bots, the people buying gold even though they don’t think their actions drive bots up, and ultimately blizzard for not stomping out the fire.
Yo nix got some things wrong, its tank rogue and healer mage, not the other way around. Also level 25 is not end game, there are other lvl brackets coming. Also there is no proof of players loving to summon the bosses in AV, most ppl hate it, especially due to having to play the long game for it which fucks u up if u are ranking etc (and I know most ppl prefer other bgs if they are not ranking)
Should be wonderful. What’s better than completely one-sided world PVP because that’s how it always ends up. That aside I’m willing to give this a chance and if I like it, I like it but if I don’t, I’ll go play something else…. It’s not the end of the world.
I think having progressive level caps is kind of sick but they are quickly going to become dead content and classic Andy players don't like easily group making so it will quickly become impossible to experience if you don't do it right away.
Honestly balance is the last thing I care about. Classic is horribly balanced to begin with and we all love it. Different classes having power spikes at different times makes it more fun in my opinion, and with the end game constantly shifting levels everyone should get their turn to feel over powered. To me the essence of the classic experience is having a blast leveling. This seems like it is improving exactly that, it adds more difficulty to leveling for those who want it, and it adds more play style options so leveling can feel fresh for longer.
Theres 0 reason to complain about anything. Anythign added to classic is a plus (pun intended) we play classic cause its fun letting us do new things and having new ways to have fun is only a positive and never a negative. For people crying abiut balance classic what the furthest thing from being balanced ever to begin with. So much so i bet everything that sod will be more balanced than original vanilla. People complaijing about this are either trolling or braindamaged
Nixxioms right, regardless of whether or not you like it or think it's a good idea, wpvp Ashenvale is here, which means they need to add a pve element to it like farming resources from various means to spawn helpful npcs. If it's gonna be like alterac valley then it needs to at the very least take the foundational aspects of alterac valley, or change it up and at least do as great, if not better. Haven't heard of different and better, so we're just gonna go ahead and ask for it not to be a messed up gimped AV in Ashenvale.
The classic wow we have ALL been asking for?? You know for a fact that that is a horrible and false claim and that one of the biggest issues with classic has been the differing opinions of which direction it will and should go in. Sure, this sounds exciting and I will have to give it a go but that title is so horribly click bait that I cant watch your vid, lol.
If implemented correctly i think it will recreate that Wild West feeling from Vanilla. For a (small) period of time nobody will know whats going on and it will be just pure chaos while people try to figure things out. The progressive level cap should help keep things from getting stale as the meta settles in then is hopefully turned on its head. One minute everyone is tank locks never dying in pvp while they nuke you from across the zone. The next moment it's a flood of paladins ripping and tearing with their improved retribution abilities. Gear sets are definitely something i would like to see more of, especially if they mixed things up to give them more flavor. Perhaps there are some crafted sets that need raid drops for that final set bonus. Hopefully these runes are more secretive than just complete quest X or kill boss Y, imagine unique item interactions on hidden objects in the world. Kind of like that ancient tablet that drops in ZF that tells you about how to get the mallet to summon the secret boss. I hope they are keeping some of the changes they made in SOM1 to keep the community from destroying itself as well as stepping up their moderation against bots and gold-buying.
Let’s geek out about classic WoW . FUK YEH MAN! Classic era and maps but with a more up to date class design . That’s all we need . And I hope we’ll get .
yeah world pvp sounds very intriguing, but Classic so far has proven that world pvp is the equivalent of massively unbalanced ganksquads solely devoted to ruining the lives of those who haven't gotten to opportunity to progress fast enough
Actually the statement that no one has ever done anything like this before is false - Blizzard completely copied Ascension WoW early seasons but made it even worse than a private server developers did.
"We're getting something that no other server ever done before" Bro, do your homework... Whole "new" rune system just copied from Ascension private server
Idk why so many classic puritans are talking about balance. Classic was already an imbalanced mess. If anything having more factors into the rotations of classic will balance it out.
Is it just me or is this season of discovery so far from what player base really wants... We don't want seasons, to keep replaying we want a expanded end game
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I think the biggest thing I do like is the level cutoffs. It's like a patch every time. I think it's going to give time for blizzard to figure out where something is working or not. I absolutely love that there is no beta testing even though we have people data mining stuff. My main is a warlock but I will say I have no intention of being a tank. Great concept though. I did tank for mimiron in original wotlk. I'm actually hoping that they do more with crafting, and make drops or patterns much more rare. I remember in original tbc and see a Rouge with the off hand glaive and thought he was a god.
I'm convinced SoD is the beta test for classic+
@@wiegraffolles9822 its a logical conclusion
Dude such a good idea with the summon bosses, so true. Whenever we some ice daddy and he camps alli tunnel in AV its truly a special occassion hehe
Them being able to summon the Big bosses like old AV is an awesome idea I love that.
Very hyped to be a shaman tank in Season of Discovery. I had always wished that the idea of a shaman tank had gotten more love. The talents and abilities were always kinda there, but now they’re really going for it and I’m here for it!
one thing i feel bad for blizzard about is that they will NEVER please everyone ever lol, they have the worst fanbase that is always gonna be split and hate anything they do.
They need to please me.
I am important.
They need to please an accurate philosophy of classic.
They get paid handsomely to deal with the hatred, so I don't feel bad about it
Thats funny, since pleasing most people is rather easy.
For the vaaast majority the game doesnt need to be anywhere near perfect to them.
Simply choosing good design decisions checks of if the game is "good" to begin with.
Classic was very close to that but the small loud community that is progress players wanted more content quicket back then and blizzard complied and that was the beginning of the end.
Classic + if done correctly can easy kill world of warcraft, that said, only retail.
There will always be a very very small core which simply wants to play nostalgia classic, i though like playing classic because its simply closer to a good mmotpg then any other game, the rpg is still intact....
No they just need to stop being a bad company and put the game first not money. It's not difficult. It's a community that's been let down time and time again. You must be young and new here. It's ok.
I kind of wish they had gone the Turtle WoW approach with Classic +, expanding on Warcraft 3 lore, but this is a good start.
Tbf, if they decide that SoD servers never reset/shutdown, but keep getting content, it would be very good.
New sets: TOTALLY agree! Reinforce some of those runes with new levelling sets. Plus: in classic, it's always disappointing when you out-level a low-level set before you even get the whole thing
There are no healing rogues or tanking mages. Go through the runes again, it’s rogue and warlock tanks. Mage healers. There’s no “everyone can do every role”
I'm not sure about all the new abilities. The great thing about classic is the speciality that your class has. If we go the route of 10 healers, 10 tanks, and 20 DPS, then that dilutes your choice greatly.
I agree. Let's go play Classic so Blizzard can cook this new product that is not Classic and will not affect Classic.
Not everyone is gonna tank and heal. Some classes get to tank, some get to heal, but not all of them. And they can modify and tweak them, too. But if you think about it, right now the only tanks that seriously get used are Warriors, so giving anyone else a fighting chance is good.
I really feel like you should have done some simple research on this one. Many things you said were incorrect. For example, they ARE adding gear for the new raid. You said they weren't. There were several other things that you said that were incorrect. If you had simply watched any of the content they've released since and during Blizzcon, you would have been able to give accurate information. I love your content, but bro, this video was lazy and rushed.
I hope that if they do classic + they won't do + levels. The point of classic is that every raid, every content is meaningful. The moment U increase the lvl cap all the previous raids become irrelevant.
I think wow is the best game ever made. Wow is the only game I play.... however this whole discovery deal i'm not into AT ALL. This is so far from classic.. I want CLASSIC + more raid content... not runes and all this weird stuff
You're worried about balance on a classic WoW server? Vanilla was anything BUT balanced! XD
There were so many classes that were flat out not viable for end gaming raiding back in the day. If anything, these new features might actually make Vanilla playable.
Sadly I don't think Mages can be tanks. The new roles are not THAT flexible. They have them listed on wowhead I think.
I am so hyped up for SoD, this is such a cool move from Blizzard
Making a 2nd post here since I wanna help out Nixxiom, such a great guy. We did get some things we've asked for. Shaman/Pala tanks. We did NOT ask for rogue/lock tanks, mage healers.
There are many reasons many (myself incl) left Retail for Classic. We did not leave that to play some Retail light game (Season of Disaster). All they had to do was to make under the hood changes and maybe some class tweaks. Give Shadow Priest and Boomkins some kind of mana regen etc things like that, not overtune ofc.
The entire point of Classic+ was to *expand* on Vanilla content, not just reuse it. Retailers replying "don't play it then". Classic+ was not about to make a "Retail Classic" or such.
SoD is basically an experimental precursor for a classic+. Blizz dunno what classic+ should be so they're gonna experiment and let feedback guide the way for future real classic+ content.
They are borderline creatively bankrupt at this point so they throw anything in there and check was sticks and "Discover" it. SoD is *NOT* Classic+ it's a beta for it. Blizzard messes up retail so more people goes to classic. These changes are just retail imports and make classes extremely broken. All those bfa runes will replace some classic talent points. My fear is that this changes vanilla too much into retail, ability wise. I would much rather like to see an attempt to rebalance the wild class disparities in vanilla, rather than give them the retail treatment.
Let's face reality. With season of discovery, the servers will be flooded with people who wanna try this, including myself. Hopefully, the servers waiting lines will be shorter this time......
By the love of god, why is noone asking for updated graphics? Imagine 2023 graphics in Classic, I would be so fucking happy 😔
Nixxiom. WTF. Mages cannot tank. No not every class can tank, heal and dps. 😆 You gotta research more before making a video on something.
Have not played since TBC and i will come back for this. Hyped.
The rune thing sounds interesting, and I recall Tabula Rasa had the same thing as the way your character would learn new abilities, and I used to love being out in the world and finding one of them. I am always here for anything Classic, because it just has a charm that always brings me back over and over.
I find it hilarious and sad that blizz announced classic + and classic cata. And some femboys started QQing about classic cats … even though they are getting what they want!
And well Runes are just another 'borrowed power' system... something players hate in the long term and have for years. Its the bad meme we were given from Cat onward.
Disagree with the levelling raid set idea as it would make all existing gear whilst levelling obsolete and dampen vanillas biggest strength adventuring around the world as you level and finding gear, new gear scattered through the world would be better imo.
I think they did say something about the level caps. Correct me if I am wrong it was 25, 40,50,60
This does feel like blizzard is experimenting with the idea of a classic+ and depending on how it’s received by the players they might be able to add more resources to it
I'm down for all of this! R.I.P. Cata for me, I'll partake in this Classic + beta test. I love the potential of all this. Should be fun.
They removed 35 levels of gameplay, 15 dungeons, and 4 raids, hundreds of quests. How is this a "plus"? They removed classic stuff, and filled it with retail stuff.
@@draloalois there demon form for warlocks in retail? I don't think so.
The level cap gets raised after a few weeks. Look into things before dismissing them.@@draloalo
I still remember when classic came every streamer scream NO CHANGES! it did not take long for a few voices start to say a few changes. Now its classic+! I dont play it but i think its hilarious 😂
is that not the funniest thing ever? they swore by classic and it being the best version of wow and didn’t want any changes and now people want changes to jt 😂
Clasaic is still there guys... Available to play..... If it wasnt, people would still be asking for it before classic plus.
Your just a couple of bimbos missing extremely obvious marketing and player retention concepts.
Of course. When Blizzard rereleased Classic WoW, people wanted no changes. They wanted to reexperience the game that they grew up with and loved. Now that time has come and that time has gone. And where it might've been expected for Classic WoW to simply die off after its run in 2019, instead it just grew larger. Even the original game, vanilla, still has a booming population, on top of Hardcore. So people began to wonder and lean into the possibility of a Classic Plus someday, now that Classic WoW had been enjoyed all over again. Would Blizzard do it though? Probably not. Which is why Classic Plus was such a big surprise at Blizzcon for so many. It isn't that people are going back on their word, it's just that we got the OG Classic WoW dream fulfilled and now people are dreaming for something new, fresh and exciting. Regardless, original WoW (Vanilla) will always remain the greatest MMO experience in gaming history; the game that changed the world.
There is a difference between what you think you’re talking about and what you’re actually talking about. Classic wow in essence is nothing more than the idea of a stripped down version of the game it doesn’t mean a museum. You can take a fantastic platform in this case the original version of world of Warcraft and build of that platform not change it. Adding raids, stories, dungeons, and class “adjustments” doesn’t ruin vanilla if it focuses on the classic experience. It’s fleshing out the original vision not changing it.
@@NixxiomOnUA-camI just want NO WOW TOKEN to always be how it is for classic. I quit TBC Classic because I knew when they added the TBC Pack with the boost and mount, that they would add the Wow Token and they did in Wrath and it just kills any feel of achievement or Gear feeling nice when earned when someone else can be more geared just because they have actual money they can spend like crazy.
gone are the days of waiting to find a tank or healer for a dungeon because anyone will be able to tank or heal LOL!
The problem with classic is that they bill it as being like OG. The problem is that its not like original and never was. Maybe i will make a video about all the differences i know of that make it a one off for me…
classic wow is a perfect game already you don't have to fix or add anything ..don't tell anyone this secret. SoD will be another wow expansion that will make the game feel smaller.
Yo Nixxiom, you may have missed Ascension, they did runes a few years ago and have now improved on it.
Though Ascension is WAY more in depth and crazy blizz has kept it simple and true to class identity with abilities you get. Yes mage heal and lock tank is a bit wild but look at Ascension and it's not that crazy :)
Agreed, Ascension is insane with their systems. Now how / if they balance that, then for sure Blizzard can balance one season
Ascension is kind of a mess is another way to say it. And classless RPG isn't something I would enjoy
@@Pihtorich For sure. For me it is a fun experiment I have played a few times for about a month then put it away, it takes a long time to wrap your head around but for me it's not sustainable for a long time. SOD is a perfect blend of what private servers have done with Blizzard special sauce, can't wait :)
I think they shouldn't balance it. Games are meant to be fun, not an esport.
Yeah... they literally lifted the rune concept from the Ascension's 1000+ Mystic Enchants with varied degrees of affect on on your character, ranging all the way up to new class archetypes such as dark ranger and shadowy vampiric healer. They even copied the idea of placing them on gear, which Ascension had until recently when they figured out that people hated that, and now offer a glyph UI for you to slot them into instead. This whole idea just screams Ascension (runes) + Chromiecraft (level locking). Despite what you may think, I desperately wish Blizzard would explore making content like this, and make it even better than private servers do. However, unless they take these ideas and run wild with them, and I mean REALLY give people new exciting ways to play rather than simply importing newer expansion skills, adding healing effects to basic skills to make them a "healer", and tweaking threat values to make a class a "tank", this is nothing more than a half-baked copy and paste with the intention of baiting people into subscribing for a little while. This clearly isn't Classic+, it's them testing the waters for "Seasonal League" game modes like OSRS does.
Thanks for writing this. I was scrolling the comments to see, if anyone else would point out that the rune concept sounds identical to what Ascension server does. Not exact copy ofc. but similar enough.
Let's hope Blizzard manages to take ideas from other games (servers in this case) and do it better.
Dude u r just like the game, I see nothing but talks from start to end.
Ascenssion project done what blizzard done with these new spells
I’m so excited for this. I’ve always Classic + and this is a huge step! So happy to have content!
I hope season of discovery isn't balanced at all.
Very happy with what Season of Mastery is looking like, and I have no doubt that they'll do more if its successful. This is definitely them testing the waters of what will work and what players like. If this goes well, I can definitely see them exploring more and more of the unfinished content that was intended for the game. I can also see them adding new races and quests, maybe even a new class?? Not right away obviously, but down the road.
I hope it goes well for them because I imagine they had some fun building it and I would like them to continue to do so.
I was starring at the booger in his nose the entire time.
Classic Andy’s worried about balance all of a sudden 😂
I want classic with the retail character models.
Totally agree on the sets! We need more! Items needs to be memorable
Once again though.. not their idea ….
Ascension does this to massive success...
The level cap they are doing at 25 and that being a 'low level end game' actually was done before on a server called Revelation WoW which then shut down for one reason or another. They had/have super high ambitions(ORG/SW revamp, zone revamps etc) and the server was in the middle of being worked on and was kind of a mess at the time. It looks like they might be trying to reboot but /shrug. Anyways from the bit i played of it, they capped it at 20 or 25 and had the same idea of 'level banding' that Blizz is using. They had world bosses with custom gear. You could even play as a murloc and tuskarr, which was fun. SoD is going to basically be a beta testing version and people need to go into it realizing that because as they iterate SoD it just gives the higher potential of these iterations being part of a future classic + permanent server... who knows. People poo poo anything these days without trying it because well.. they're idiots. SoD looks fun and worth a try.
I'm really excited. I love the idea of more flavor for the classes, feeling more like the rpg classes. I really hope the professions get more love too. Engineering could have so much more little gadgets.
I am coming back to the game for this season. It looks great, and TWoW has become damn near unplayable with the massive legion of chinese players taking it over. The one thing I really wish they would do is take this server and use it to create a completely different path/narrative for Classic. We already knows what happens with the game and the world, which is why Cata+ plus is ass. I would love for the Classic team to create an alternate timeline and just try new shit out. The Dark Portal never opens. What would the future of Azeroth be then? So many possibilities!! We already have dumbass alternate Draenor with WoD. They can do alternate Azeroth.
You forgot the profession crafted stuff which is also pretty nice too.
I'm stoked , another dive into classic with a twist . They didn't reinvent the wheel they just added some tread to it , my favorite parts are the lvl cap delays ( i hope it's at least 2 months , giving us plenty of time to explore our zones and "discover " the goodies And pvp!!
looking forward to the lvl 40-50 lvls because in classic you did the grind hard in those lvls and hardly had time to enjoy the game .. ..
Enjoying a game as you lvl up vrs running to end game and hear people complain about everyone not knowing there class is gonna be great 😂
You got a bat in the cave
My only problem with Blizzard's take on Classic + is that these are seasons not a full on classic +, I get it that they are just trying out new stuff and seeing the players reactions and collecting feedback but why not just open classic + servers for good and update it and work on them much like OSRS. That would be a dream come true, Blizzard getting the WoW Classic team to work on the classic + in the same way as Jagex does with OSRS. Community polling on stuff and just being open and (mostly) honest about what direction the classic + would go.
Me personally, I'd love to see official take on the Turtle WoW classic, expand the old world map in lore accurate way and finish off quests and unfinished content that was still in vanilla or planned for vanilla, like Gilneas and the elf lands etc.
They want to see what works before they drop Classic+. Voting is never gonna work. It would be a mess. OSRS is also shit, honestly, it looks like shit, y'all have to have some serious nostalgia to play that shit ass looking game. It looks not much better than a Super Nintendo game.
Diablo II, and to a lesser extent D3, were full of leveling sets. These are awesome and I would love to see them in the game!
That level cap and BFD as the endgame raid is weird and unexpected but I think this is the best way they could've done it.
Especially since BFD is my favourite WoW dungeon.
You and I both have minority favorites lol. Mine’s ST
My expectations are fairly tempered for this. I'm excited for what it turns into, but for now I'm looking at it like they're just testing the waters before they go ham on Classic.
Asmon quote verbatim
Season of Discovery hasn't even started, and I already discovered the nosehair of Nixiom in his left nostril.
Is that a nose ring or a bug in your nose
lol
AHAHAHAH "no server has ever done this before: runes". Bubby, Nixxiom, may I introduce you to quite possibly the best alternate wow server of all time? Ascension WoW made the RE (random enchant) system and is still perfecting it to this day. You got shit like enchants that turn cat form into a serpent form that causes poison and bleed damage. You got enchants that turn Seed of Corruption into a Typhoon-like wave that applies Unstable Affliction to targets when you have max stacks of it's corresponding buff.
Blizzard may have made WoW, but they've stolen the RE system. It ain't new.
I think they are testing thr waters with new content. This is classic plus, but slowly developed as players experience it.
I've been one of those people who played WoW since day one and wanted an expansion of EK/Kalimdor. I loved a lot of the features and content of TBC and other expansions but they never satisfied or delivered on that initial desire. Always wanted Grim Batol but that dungeon in Cata was tied to the storyline of Cata. Classic+ is the way forward for me to be intereted in WoW again. I'm not really liking the SoD path forward, I don't think runes and the inclusion of TBC/Other Xpack talents and abilities is the way - I would much rather it fall in line with vanilla's way of doing it like Warrior quest for Berserker stance, etc. They can have new talents and abilities but "discovering" runes and affixing them to gear slots is not really compelling to me tbh. I would like more raids, sets, quests and dungeons and world bosses along the way, AND post Naxx Tier 4, 5, 6, etc. all at level 60 without invalidating the current content. I haven't played Turtle WoW but I like their decisions and way of doing things more. High Elves and (Draenei/Worgen(?)and Goblins/Ogres on Horde would be awesome. More customization options and always wanted a transmog system too to fully appreciate the visuals of sets like Judgment independent of gameplay too. I realize everyone looks differently at what they want classic+ to look like, but those are my thoughts
They have some cool ideas, but I really miss baseline/talent adjustments.
Mana/low dmg problems on meme specs, half-baked base abilities (wind wall totem) and talents.
Shamans can finally tank but have to take a rune despite having half a talent tree already built for tanking, it should not be required to rune for something you were originally built for.
Lightning Shield (a tanking skill) cannot work with Earth Shield/Water Shield, as a tanking Shaman with less mitigation than other tank classes *AND* mana problems, what's the big idea? If all shaman specs have mana issues, is Shamanistic Rage an option or is it a necessity?
Where's my 2h enhancement shaman going? Is this classic+ or classic-?
Instead of pissing of paladins and shamans by distributing their buffs across faction and making them mandatory runes for hunters, druids and paladins to take, just give horde (forsaken) dark paladins and alliance shamans (dwarves).
Merge crit/spellcrit, hit/spellhit, add general weapon skill on more items/more accessable, and put in a base ap scaling on magical sources of damage, like Serpent Sting, Poisons, Shaman spells etc.
Remove debuff limit.
Remove immunities on bosses
Take a careful look at pvp balance. Rogues are already op in pvp, do they need shadow step, frost shock and a ranged kidney?
Do frost mages need self healing capabilities?
Runes are a nice idea, but they should be optional, not mandatory.
Go BIG! I agree 100%. Hey, at least Blizzard is listening. They are building Classic + they are just doing it using the leveling gates to do
trial and error along the way. Hell, at least they're doing SOMETHING.
"You think you do, but you don't...." is long gone now.
I'm sorry an unbalanced mess? That's what classic is what do you mean? if anything it will be MORE balanced at least in terms of every spec being more viable. Paladins will be able to be something other then a healer without being a f-ing meme. same with 2handing as a warrior and various other specs and playstyles that were just complete garbage due to how unbalanced classic was for them. Like thats part of the entire point of this whole deal. What's going to be potentially difficult to balance is the difficulty of end game content against all the classes being more powerful. Though classic proved when it came out that hey guess what, its raid are not hard. they got steam rolled. So honestly I'm more concerned with the end game content actually managing to be more challenging fun and engaging.
As for pvp balanced....classic was the single most unbalanced bullshit pvp that ever existed. i am a Grand Marshal warrior so i know how unbalanced that bullshit was. Was it fun? Hell yeah! Was it balanced in any way? HELL NO!
Season of Recycling - Yet again Blizz is following their trademark business model of recycle , reuse and rename 99% of everything , offering yet again , nothing new or creative . FUCKING YIKES !!!
"No matter what they add in Classic it's going to be fine, there is no risk". Players proceed to lose their shit when they try to add something new, 'aight.
Also when you talk about sets, you know for Classic, that version of the game that barely has any content available besides leveling, some dungeons a raid and WORLD FACTION PVP, you seem to miss the consequences anything will bring to the terribly balanced version of the game. Can't wait for y'all to lose your shit when you won't be able to level your useless shaman spec when you'll get your asses camped by some twink rogue that did nothing but grind out those sets and skills just to gank you non-stop.
I'm really happy with the level increments. It actually gives a reason to level professions while you level because you can't go straight to 60 and grind your profession out to max. I think I might try LW or tailoring on my boomie this time around. Alchemy was nice, but having relevant gear that scales with me would also be nice.
Blizzard is just ripping off Ascension with runes. It's a fun little gimmick for a while but over time the cracks start to show with balancing and it changes the overall feel of the game in a way that DOESN'T feel like World of Warcraft. If they open new servers for SoD specifically like they did with Hardcore then I don't see this as a problem but if they just throw it in the game and expect everything to be hunky dory then it's going to impact classic in a negative way.
There is actually a private server who made the discovery a thing, it's called WoW Ascension, on that Server the discovered spells are Scrolls spread across the world and you can use them to obtain spells and passives randomly and not just related to your Class or Race. Just like in Manga and Manhua, just like what an MMO should be, not a single player can be similar to the other in terms of build, you can be unique. feels like playing Solo Leveling but in wow universe xD hopefully blizzard does similar Season in the future
Im not necessarily against the rune system but the raids at each bracket will add itemization that ruins the current progression. The itemization already had a good progression path. Now youve made a bunch of quest items and dungeon items irrelevant. Basically removes content if now i dont need to run other dungeons for loot that is not good anymore because the new raid loot is just so much better.
And that will be happening at each bracket.
Then theres ashran (ashenvale) pvp where you will be riding around mounts and have buffs of 100% hp/dmg and such. No thanks. I dont like my character feeling/playing different in one zone and different everywhere else. My characters power needs to feel cohesive and consistent or it breaks my immersion.
I wish they had just tuned the dungeons a bit maybe added a few more interesting mechanics and SETS like you mentioned. Not making most dungeons irrelevant because theres a new raid at that lvl bracket.
So just want to correct you because you didn’t do proper research at the beginning of the video. The concept of. Rune carving already existed on Ascension. And it’s been confirmed by blizzard of three classes that will be changed. Mage will be a healer, rogue, and waterwalk will be tanks. that’s all that’s being changed. Otherwise, the rest of your videos is spot on.
They want people playing retail, they wont go all out. This classic+ pseudo thing looks halfassed from the beginning. Just go play on private servers, they've been giving real classic+ experience for years now with real rebalanced talent trees, new abilities and content. I love this concept, that's why I can't be asked to even look it from a far and for the first time I'm playing psevers primarily.
Homogenization of the classes sucked in retail and it will suck even worse in Classic. Rogues and mages that can heal? Warlocks that can tank? Seriously? What we have with SoD is Classic with a thick slathering of retail on top. Yuck. Honestly, Blizzard could screw up a free lunch.
The set would be cool if the 2 set was faster cast on gathering buy 2% or 10% , then it will be something people keep for the whole game then ppl would farm the raid just for that bonus for gold farming
Is this cool, yes. It could end up being very fun and cool.
Is this what we've been asking for... Not at all... We tell Blizz what we want, what we'd play and they go, "here's a bagel". Uh thanks, but can we still get that other thing?
Woah metamorphasis, an ability we've never seen before!
Cmon Nixxion yk they're just copying Ascensions first season and implementing mechanics from turtle wow as well. SoD seems pretty lame. I have a better and a free version of classic plus already now ..
Imma be honest. I don't give a shit about 'balance' at this point. Just make it fun, make it useful, make it matter.
If one or another skill is obviously broken, you'll hear about it and they can fix it but the obsession with E-Sports and balance is why Retail feels so mechanical.
I've been playing since vanilla. Seriously, who cares at this point. They want our money, dlc cost 80 to 90 dollars. Do they really care? That's a hard no. Just let the game die at this point and let a die hard fan buy it and refavmp it fix it that way the players actually want it. Stop enabling thus nonsense. Have some standards
Is anyone worried about the bots and gdkp? No matter how good the game is, this is what killed classic era all the way to wotlk. All parties involved too; the people using bots, the people buying gold even though they don’t think their actions drive bots up, and ultimately blizzard for not stomping out the fire.
Yo nix got some things wrong, its tank rogue and healer mage, not the other way around. Also level 25 is not end game, there are other lvl brackets coming. Also there is no proof of players loving to summon the bosses in AV, most ppl hate it, especially due to having to play the long game for it which fucks u up if u are ranking etc (and I know most ppl prefer other bgs if they are not ranking)
Should be wonderful. What’s better than completely one-sided world PVP because that’s how it always ends up. That aside I’m willing to give this a chance and if I like it, I like it but if I don’t, I’ll go play something else…. It’s not the end of the world.
I find it hard to call sod "classic". It feels like retail smashed into classic where class fantasy doesn't mean anything anymore.
I think having progressive level caps is kind of sick but they are quickly going to become dead content and classic Andy players don't like easily group making so it will quickly become impossible to experience if you don't do it right away.
@Nixxiom
Oi! What's the Hagalaz rune behind you symbolize?! I've been having a bad time with this rune recently. Just curious..
Honestly balance is the last thing I care about. Classic is horribly balanced to begin with and we all love it. Different classes having power spikes at different times makes it more fun in my opinion, and with the end game constantly shifting levels everyone should get their turn to feel over powered.
To me the essence of the classic experience is having a blast leveling. This seems like it is improving exactly that, it adds more difficulty to leveling for those who want it, and it adds more play style options so leveling can feel fresh for longer.
Theres 0 reason to complain about anything. Anythign added to classic is a plus (pun intended) we play classic cause its fun letting us do new things and having new ways to have fun is only a positive and never a negative. For people crying abiut balance classic what the furthest thing from being balanced ever to begin with. So much so i bet everything that sod will be more balanced than original vanilla. People complaijing about this are either trolling or braindamaged
Nixxioms right, regardless of whether or not you like it or think it's a good idea, wpvp Ashenvale is here, which means they need to add a pve element to it like farming resources from various means to spawn helpful npcs.
If it's gonna be like alterac valley then it needs to at the very least take the foundational aspects of alterac valley, or change it up and at least do as great, if not better. Haven't heard of different and better, so we're just gonna go ahead and ask for it not to be a messed up gimped AV in Ashenvale.
The classic wow we have ALL been asking for?? You know for a fact that that is a horrible and false claim and that one of the biggest issues with classic has been the differing opinions of which direction it will and should go in. Sure, this sounds exciting and I will have to give it a go but that title is so horribly click bait that I cant watch your vid, lol.
If implemented correctly i think it will recreate that Wild West feeling from Vanilla. For a (small) period of time nobody will know whats going on and it will be just pure chaos while people try to figure things out. The progressive level cap should help keep things from getting stale as the meta settles in then is hopefully turned on its head. One minute everyone is tank locks never dying in pvp while they nuke you from across the zone. The next moment it's a flood of paladins ripping and tearing with their improved retribution abilities.
Gear sets are definitely something i would like to see more of, especially if they mixed things up to give them more flavor. Perhaps there are some crafted sets that need raid drops for that final set bonus. Hopefully these runes are more secretive than just complete quest X or kill boss Y, imagine unique item interactions on hidden objects in the world. Kind of like that ancient tablet that drops in ZF that tells you about how to get the mallet to summon the secret boss.
I hope they are keeping some of the changes they made in SOM1 to keep the community from destroying itself as well as stepping up their moderation against bots and gold-buying.
Let’s geek out about classic WoW . FUK YEH MAN! Classic era and maps but with a more up to date class design . That’s all we need . And I hope we’ll get .
yeah world pvp sounds very intriguing, but Classic so far has proven that world pvp is the equivalent of massively unbalanced ganksquads solely devoted to ruining the lives of those who haven't gotten to opportunity to progress fast enough
Actually the statement that no one has ever done anything like this before is false - Blizzard completely copied Ascension WoW early seasons but made it even worse than a private server developers did.
"We're getting something that no other server ever done before"
Bro, do your homework... Whole "new" rune system just copied from Ascension private server
Idk why so many classic puritans are talking about balance. Classic was already an imbalanced mess. If anything having more factors into the rotations of classic will balance it out.
I have to constantly block these bad WoW channels from my UA-cam suggestions. I can tell it's trash redundant content within only a few seconds in.
I am expecting ashenvale Will be caotic First days,After i am altedy see gurubashi arena full of lvl 25 fighting for godies
There are no tanking Mages or healing Rogues yet lol. Hunters are still pure DPS. So not quite EVERY class yet. :P
Is it just me or is this season of discovery so far from what player base really wants... We don't want seasons, to keep replaying we want a expanded end game
ALL B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. Dungeons raids and new quests and Challenges along with new áreas and mobs IS ALL classic needs. Not this sht of runes