I'm just excited to see YOU excited again Nobbel, it's been rough watching you feel dispirited about wow. Your fun lore videos are like the extra treat after dinner to make the moment memorable and entice one to come back for more.
Not sure about Xal being Azeroth but I am starting to suspect that azeroth has been asking magni et al to save her from her titan tormentors. I feel like she's a type battery for the titans who use her energy
You have a pretty good point… we’ve seen Azerite weaponized by Tyr and Zovaal and even Magni and M.O.T.H.E.R who are supposed to be her caretakers… if I was Azeroth I would be extremely unhappy and not even in a violent way just emotionally hurt kinda way
@@malphasblackwing420 Yeah its all confusing now with the lore Titans = Eternal Ones which dont make sence since the Eternal Ones were created and the titans were born- Eternal ones power seems limited where the titans could cut worlds in half. I think we got this whole thing wrong. I think titans = first ones and the first ones are the real death panthones and they created the Eternal ones and the enternal ones are = to Odin/Tyr/thor/hoder/Freia/lokin
wtf is this naruto? so a big manipulator being manipulated by bigger thing that is manipulated by a bigger bigger thing that is manipulated by a bigger bigger bigger thing lazy writing .
@bruel_9096 exactly! Since mid-BFA and all of SL and DF, I dropped WoW and the lore because of where it was going. However, with the new announcement, with Metzen back, I'm hopeful and just really excited to see where we are going now.
I mean 9 out of 10 theories will probably not amount to anything but it's never about predicting, it's about creating cool idea's and forming connections with the tapestry that's already been woven.
You should revisit the Northrend Nerubians, since it was confirmed we are going back there. The Nerubians inside one of those two dungeons, or the ones guarding the dungeon's entrance (where we kill Anub'arak), they mention an entity that they worship. At that time we assumed it was Yogg-Saron, but it could also be Xal'atath. And since she will empower the Nerubians, I would say maybe Nerubians always worshiped her and were maybe created by her, and not Yogg-Saron
I doubt that will be the case. So first the Nerubians were Aqir long before. They didnt diverge untill one part of the Aqgir population were isolated in the north close to Yogg'sarons prison and over time they diverged in their evolution creating a visually distinct race - just like how the Mantid and Qiraji changed over time because they were isolated close to the energies of other old gods ( Yshaaraj and Cthun respectivly). Its certainly not an impossible change to make but it just makes little sense and doesnt really add anything. Its more interresting to make Xal'atath into something completely different from the Old gods - which I also think Blizz will since she lacks even basic characteristics of the old gods outside of being a force related to the void. Its just a bit of an odd change since Yogg'saron and his saronite blood bleeding all into northrend is already established and to then turn around and say "oh ignore all that. The Nerubians changed for completely other reasons even though they are in basicly the same situation that the Qiraji and Mantid were". Thats not to say that the Nerubians might not turn to her now - given that Yogg'saron is dead and they want to rebuild and she is after all somehow connected to the old gods. Personally I think they will try and expand the forces of the void and make her into something very different and something that will shape the future rather than be revealed as something that were working behind the scenes all this time.
Holy moly I've missed these kinds of videos! This is the kind of speculation and fun stuff that really made me love the Lord. The questions that are not answered but the bread crumbs left around. It may not be the actual story but it is really cool to think about the possibilities. I've been looking at a few of the other whispers of are good friend, I have a feeling another is about to be fulfilled.
Yeah, I've noted before how Magni describes hearing the voice of Azeroth as sharing in her feelings, and that there's something musical about it. The painful noises and clear words Thrall and Anduin heard seem very different. Would absolutely buy that Xal'atath is trying to impersonate Azeroth to lure us down into her Nerubian trap.
Side note: I'm very confused about them being Nerubians when they're apparently "west of Pandaria", despite Nerubians being native to Northrend and their closest kin are the Qiraji of Silithus. If they decided to make the Azjol-Nerub zone they always wanted to make, they should've just... made that instead. lol
@@itachiu37 - Yes, but their common ancestor (the Aqir) were split up into these geographically distant groups after warring with the trolls, so they were separated for millennia even before the Sundering. These "Nerubians" should logically be an off-shoot of their practically neighboring Qiraji, not the Nerubians on the other side of the world. It would be a non-issue if the zone was Azjol-Nerub, but they wanted their four-layered Zaralek Cavern, so...
I listened to your legion artifact videos so much a few years back when i would be at work that anytime i hear your intro and your "helllloooo everyone" my mind auto fills "The burning legion..."
A lot of descriptions of Azeroth’s world soul is that she has the personality of a frightened child… what if the reason for this is because Xal’atath is Azeroth’s already corrupted mind held in stasis while the body is more or less uncorrupted BUT Xal’atath wants to reunify with her original physical body and accomplish the tenebrous plans of the void lords
@@bmar192 If my theory is true it could be possible that Xal’atath/Azeroth *Xal’eroth?* was more than what the old gods were expecting… Xal’atath definitely knows something special that most cosmic beings don’t
So, Nega-Scott Pilgrim, but more like Nega-Tom Bombadil? Me before priest main gets the blade: I would never equip a cursed weapon. Me after: I want my chatty dagger back.
Myself and a buddy of mine were really, really curious on what was going to happen with Xal'atath in the expansion. First thing we both said "We should check out and see if Nobbel has a video on it" and bam, here we are. Thank you for all you do, Sir. You're a true credit to the community :) (before some chad decides to come on full blast and say: "THATS JUST PURE SPECULATION!!!!" you're right, I can read too amigo. doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the content ;) )
That was another thing what made Legion so great. You WANTED to play all classes. You didnt just want to grind endgame, but experience all the stories collecting all the weapons while getting story content, which directly tells past and creates new world building. And needless to say: Xalatath was the most memorable weapon, especially with her whispers teasing you. Sure there was the one arcane mage weapon, but it didnt even come close. And ofc getting her a hot void elf body during BFA sold it for good. I never understood why Shadowlands wasnt primarily about Bwondsami and her instead of well a crappy Thanos. -.- Imo DF is a "Filler Arc" - btw having the same issue with missing back stories as SL had - and I really hope theyre getting back to the follow up of Legion.
I gotta agree with the assessment of Legion. That was the only real expansion that had me wanting to play to max level every character type, so I could see all the story. Even Priest, which isn't a favorite class for me. If they can take what made Legion so great and put it into the next three expansions I think it'd be outstanding. As for the "Third Awakening"... if it really does 'usher in' the return of the Old Gods, then that's a great place to "Remake" WoW, revamp everything. Because everything would be revamped anyway.
I wouldnt be surprised if we "fail" at the end and all thats left is a cosmic reset button leading us to wow2. Also would make sense, though 4 years may be too short.@@twiztedsynz
I'm pretty sure DF was a complete filler card for blizz to play in case shit ever goes down and they gotta restructure/recover. I've read something about some very old datamined Dragon Isles assets way before release and some theories that it's backup comtent. The story also seems kinda off from the main lore but with the open possibility to insert some lore ties here and there no matter the timeline.
It’s funny you’d mention the arcane mage weapon (Aluneth) because I’ve been using the transmog of it on my mage recently and it talks every now and again when I use conjure refreshments to remind me I’m useless 😂
i think it was in the nighthold raid, where you fight the navigator or protecting freya, where was possible to see that a white planetoid (i think its our moon, aka elune) had some purple tentacles over it, it also could be dark elune or something maybe? or was this something just to tease and not meaning anything or just another planet being corrupted and stuff
Could be that Azeroth, in an attempt to break out of her 'prison', tried to transfer her essence into Y'shaarj's remains after Amanthul ripped him out. So she filled up the Claw of an Old God, became a Weapon. The essence then transfers to the Elven Body we know and witnessed. The Jailer has his Machines in the North near Ahn'kahet and Xal'atath in the South near Azj-kahet. There are definitely some parallels here. We have Earthens in both Locations as well. And Light-driven Humans. Hallowfall-Arathi in the South and the Scarlet Onslaught in the North. Just saying...
Azeroth is probably a sleeping/forming first one. I have a theory that the first ones are like Xel’Naga and that they created the Warcraft universe by sacrificing themselves. It’s possible that Titans are just failed first ones that awakened too early from their slumbers. This makes Azeroth a true first one and was likely created directly by the first ones to power the Zereth gates that were used to fuel the creation of the universe.
HA! thats so weird.. I was playing BFA earlier today trying to catch up on missed content and got the very quest where you meet her.. then came online and this was in my recommendations
World souls are like dragons, they are pure potential and change when exposed to different energies. The titans tried to infuse Azeroth with order in the same way they corrupted dragons still in the shell. Imo
You know i just noticed something, Sargeras is able to materialize his sword and I'm gonna assume in any grip style he wants. So from the looks of that cinematic he deliberately chose to stab Azeroth instead of cleaving the planet in two like he did with that one void corrupted planet with a world soul and other void touched planets I'm gonna assume as well. i wonder if he knew/knows something that maybe the other beings in the cosmology chart don't. Thoughts? Edit: to me it looks like he would have had enough time to cleave it in two instead of stab.
To be fair though cleave doesnt mean he did it in 1 swing. He might have been cutting into that planet for quite a while before he actually got through it. All we know is that the end result were supposedly that the planet was cleaved in 2. We have no idea how many swings it took, how long time or even if he did some kind of elaborate ritual/spell casting to make it possible to begin with - all things that he certainly did not have time to do in Legion.
Probably unrelated, but I’ve had my MH/OH transmogged to Xal’atath for a while now. That is, until 10.2 dropped and the MH somehow reverted back to a previous transmog. I put the Xal’atath mog back on and now I can see its whispers in my chat log. I’ve had the Aberrus cloak equipped for longer than my Xal mog, so it’s possible I’ve just been overlooking these whispers until now - but I don’t think so?
I just hope Queen Azshara comes back because she changed when nzoth offered her and her people a "gift" and azshara was the queen of beauty and it was shown in her room in cinamatics she clearly wanted her image to be of beauty even when corrupted T_T
I like when WoW stories go back to content that has existed for a long time and have been set up, rather than some random crap we didn't even know about and had no setup.
Xal'atath is not Azeroths dark half, she is a twin planet that never got to be and was swallowed by the void: In the beginning they were two world souls orbiting one another and Xal was devoured, so it is Azeroths sister who hate Azeroth because she was allowed to live, develop and all that. Maybe she thinks killing Azeroth will be justice so they both suffer (how dare azeroth be happy when xal had to suffer) or she believes killing azeroth creates a void (lol) where she can replace azeroth.
I had forgotten about the void connection to the Amani trolls, dollars to donuts they'll use that connection as a hook to do the light/void battle and silvermoon revamp they were talking about in Midnight
I have a theory that Xalatath is Alleria who gives into the void, gets trapped back in time and then comes back to turn herself to the void. That is the War Within. (I’m sure at least the War Within is a metaphor for Alleria as well as Azeroth). Alleria and Xalatath are going to have a rivalry this xpac… but I feel like it isn’t just a rivalry… it could just be herself…
What if...... that old god whisper of "The Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all" is actually referring to the Titans as the enemy of all, from their perspective..... and that bargain between Titans and Light happened way back when the Titans arrived at Azeroth? What if there was a giant magical Light crystal which was visiting Azeroth and either crashed accidentally or maybe was attacked by old gods and fell apart then crashed with fragments piercing through the surface and ending up down deeper below. Some of those fragments could still have Light magic blazing bright. And then, when the Titans arrived to see the black empire, maybe they detected and found most of those Light fragments. Maybe the Titans communicated with the Light and made a deal....the Titans would build machines around and on top of those Light fragments to keep them safe, and the Light would allow their magic to be used for fighting off old gods. The big Yellow White Light magic laser in Uldum which can perform reorigination may just be a titan facility with a Light crystal fragment inside it that can be turned on or off. Similarly, other Light crystal fragments may exist in the Uldir and Ulduar facilities....and even within Uldorus. It was not lost on me that the Tyrhold facility has a Yellow White Light magic type of beam coming up out of the spire when they reactivated it. Not an Arcane beam, not an Arcane magic effect.....nope, yellow white Light. And what if....... the reason that reactivating the dragon oathstones and then having Alexstrasza try to activate the main Mother Oathstone did nothing........ is because that particular device is supposed to be powered by a Light crystal fragment deep down in Uldorus and all of those fragments are being tampered with and interfered with by Xal'atath and nerubians this whole time? As such, maybe the Light crystal fragment in Hallowfall underneath Khaz Algar didn't have an Uld facility built around it and that one is vulnerable to Xal'atath? So it is whispering for help from Anduin and Alleria..... with such whispers going to Anduin when it is in Light form, and going to Alleria when that crystal is in Shadow form? If all of the above is true....... it could also mean that if we help to stabilize or free the Light crystal fragments..... we could shut down all the Reorigination beams available on Azeroth and take that threat away from now on?
The corruption of the old gods wasn’t contained. I think it’s a pretty safe assumption that old god whispers to a wound world spirit about who ripped a hole Azeroth bled from for aeons.
Idc if she turns out to be a manipulator, she'd still be better than the jailer. I enjoyed her quest in BFA. I'm very excited for her new continuing story 💖
You are doing video about her origin, despite she clearly says these line to shadow priests. Xal'atath whispers: We may face some of my BRETHREN in this conflict... a prospect that delights me. Their power will be mine! They will pay for what was done to me long ago. Xal'atath whispers: It is ironic that the WEAKEST OF US may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be.
I’m personally starting to wonder if Azeroth is even what we’ve been lead to believe by the Titans. What if, everything they’ve told us, was wrong? What if Azeroth isn’t a Titan soul at all? What if she’s literally like Azathoth, the god head, the one responsible for everything existing being the one who dreamt everything into existence. What if her mind held sway over everything, and that’s why the old gods wanted to corrupt her? Why the Jailer wanted to dominate her soul? Doing so would give them total control over all existence, would give the Void Lords dominance over everything, just as the Titans want total order. Even the fallen Titan wanted to destroy Azeroth, either thinking her a possible void Titan, or deemed it better to destroy all existence than to let the Void Lords take control. If this is the case, if her dreaming is what allows everything to exist, then letting her awaken may be the worst thing imaginable, because then everything winks out of existence. Poof, everything gone. Now this may not be the case, my just be total hogwash and Azeroth is just a very powerful Titan soul. This may be just a very wild idea, lol. but Azeroth sounds so much like that of the so called Idiot God from Lovecraft Mythology. Heck, so many of the Old Gods are inspired by the Great Old Ones and Outer Ones, wouldn’t be surprised if Azeroth is inspired by Azathoth in some way. Would definitely explain why so many factions are fighting over her, being the very heart of all existence. Whomever controls the universe’s core, controls everything.
I think the name honestly is just a victim of old lore, when Titans were pretty much what the Keepers are today and the Old Gods were unfathomably more powerful and everything about the planet's inside seemed to be evil. Then they made it good but kept the name. =')
@@mokarokas-1727 yeah, I kinda wish they had kept with that idea. Really like it more when the Old Gods were more unknowable and cosmic horror. Now they’re just parasites.
I really want to start following the worldsoul saga but the lore and story Is overwhelming, is there a way to play all the current story and understand it going in to war within?
There is not which is a big problem. I ofc got videos on the story of warcraft and will be covering world within. Hoping that they'll make some changes ingame to experience the story better ua-cam.com/video/RKsNKZi5Ct8/v-deo.htmlsi=yabAEZMwb5YT8fKg
Xal'atath and Azeroth are pseuo-anagrmas of each other. Like some of the vowels are different but X and Z are both the same sound and R and L are a very similar sound.
It seem that the lore in WOW is developing in a similar way to the eastern Yin & Yang belief in balance, but the Azeroth having only Light or having only Void is dangerous & there needs to be a balance between the two to be stable.
I think that Azeroth is going to end up as a king of kings. The greatest titan of order, the greatest creature infected with fel, a paragon of light and void, and also a lord of life and death. She was already like a super-eonar with the emerald dream, but without a titan of death and a direct connection to the shadowlands, she is both life and death. The light thrives on her surfaces, and yet she is also infected by the void via the old gods. Finally, the sword of sargeras has infected her with his fel, making her the strongest "demon" and "titan". She is the greatest god of every pantheon, and would be worshipped by naaru and void gods alike.
Its not only about Light or Dark. Current lore makes it quite clear that Azeroth is the center of everything and every faction of the cosmic order is interested im her. At the moment is Order and Void fighting over Azeroth. Death and Chaos have failed but we will see what influence the sword will have.
I still think She and Elune are two halves of a fith Oldgod, similar to the Sha, but only two. If Naru can turn void, than an Old God should be able to turn Light. I think that's what started to happen and the other Old Gods killed her before it could happen, leaving two halves. Elune being the Light half and Xalatath being the Void half.
I don't like that, mostly because neither of them possess old god -like qualities, and also because Elune is strongly associated with Life not Light, and Xal'atath seems to be an actual void character rather than a minion of it
@@ultravioletcatastrophe In Legion we learned that the origin of the Naaru is connected to Elune. I'm not suggesting she's a minion, rather that she is one half of an old god.
So.. > Sylvanas was the manipulator > plot twist, she was manipulated by the Jailer > Jailer was the manipulator > plot twist, he was manipulated Wow, is just a whole this is the bad guy...no wait, bad guy is being manipulated by a very bad guy...no , wait very bad guy is being manipulated by an ultra bad guy. Rinse and repeat. Oh and you're the champion but not really, lmao.
The Titans and the void lords are the same race, just different factions. Azeroth was to be born into the void lord faction, but the titan faction realized it's potential and enslaved it.
there was a picture in one of the hearthstone expansion promos that showed all the titans.. and there is a new titan there.. another lady titan.. Azeroth maybe?
Our piece of the universe is mainly usually defined by Light & Shadow. Both Moira's son and Alleria & Turalyon's son Arathor are described by it as well - I feel these connections are way too slim but they are there.. Shadowlands did bring one important piece of lore which was the First Ones (hate it or love it). If Azeroth is a First One - which is extremely likely imo, she would be the one of both Light AND Shadow. There used to be - we don't know where they went - multiple First Ones who built the Shadowlands, it's safe to assume many of them were aligned more with different types of magic & existence but since they are more primal, it's safe to assume they weren't as divided as the many realms of the universe are today. Life and Shadow used to be connected, it could very well be that Azeroth is a new - or old First One spirit of that connected nature. Or, she encompasses ALL of the major realms and types of magic there are. She is really powerful obviously, so different sides would want to nudge her developing spirit to their side - or straight up mold her into a form they desire - like the titans want her to be a child of Order, a titan, or the Old Gods & Void Lords, a Void Lord, etc. The Jailer (love hi or hate him - he was still badly developed but had potential to be cool - whatever) at least had a better idea and a more ambitious plan - with the access of the Sepulcher to instead of molding her, straight up using her First One essence (another piece of evidence that she is indeed a First One spirit - hence she could empower First One machinery of that scale & importance) to remake the whole of reality. Despite how Shadowlands turned out, I actually like that idea, and I think it's not far fetched at all. This is ofc speculation, but if it turns out to be the case, Xal'atath could very well be the Shadow-side or a piece of the Shadow side of her spirit. Very compelling theory and fits in with my First One thought (that many many others others have had too to be fair, it seems quite well telegraphed so far - but ofc it's not set in stone at all).
I am no longer confident in saying that the voice is the azeroth world soul. Considering how deceptive some of the last cinematics have been.....I think that may be some misdirection. The cinematic for announcing dragonflight deceived us about titans and the isle itself. The cinematic for shadowland with sylvanas and bolvar definitely deceived us about what the helmet means and what the shadowlands mean and what sylvanas was going to do there. And the cinematic for bfa most assuredly deceived us with sylvanas yelling horde but irrefutably not caring about any horde. Therefore, yes....I agree that the cinematic is trying to deceive you into believing that the voice we hear is the azeroth world soul. But I don't think it is showing or proving any such thing. Here is my alternative speculation to try and stay consistent with what we see in that cinematic. I think........that maybe the voice they are hearing is actually a mind inside that big giant crystal we see in Hallowfall. Maybe not necessarily a naaru.....but a being capable of existing inside a large crystal; sure. And I think that mind is alternating back and forth between Light and Shadow. Maybe not on purpose, and maybe not what the mind wishes....but it could be happening anyway. And I think the voice speaking to Anduin and Thrall is that crystal mind during the times when it is manifesting Light. I also think that very same crystal mind is the source of the voice which Alleria Windrunner hears.....but Alleria is only hearing it at the times when the crystal mind manifests shadow. I think that crystal mind had been in an equilibrium of switching Light and Shadow until recent years; when Xalatath arrived. I think it very possible that Xal'atath is making deals with the nerubians so she can gather black blood of old gods and maybe attempt to cover and dip the giant crystal in that black blood to force it to shift Shadow and stay Shadow forever. That may be her plan, and the crystal mind is trying to reach out to any heroes it can find to get help in stopping this plan. Where did this crystal mind come from originally? Well, here is my speculation.... maybe long ago either before the black empire, or during the black empire but before any Titans arrived..... some kind of Light Crystal creature tried to visit Azeroth but unfortunately fell apart when arriving and several different fragments of itself crashed down and pierced under the surface in several different spots on the planet. Since the being was injured, it might accidentally cycle from Light to Shadow based on whether some spirits of dead mortals pass nearby.....which was a similar phenomenon to what happened in Nagrand on Outland, and also within the seat of the triumvirate on Argus. Then.... when the Titans did arrive, maybe they detected those fragments and purposefully started building Uld- facilities on top of and/or to contain those fragments. And since those fragments may have still had Light magic capabilities, those facilities could have possibly focused and exploited those Light powers to create on-demand beams of Yellow Holy Magic.....a kind of magic that would be powerful enough to vaporize old gods and reoriginate new matter or new life to replace it. That has been one of the big confusions for fans....... if Titans are so aligned with arcane magic.....why do their big weapons seem to use large beams of seemingly Yellow Holy Magic...? Well this could be the answer. And no, I'm not saying there is no world soul inside Azeroth. I still think it is there, and it could even have a female mind; but I'm getting the impression that we haven't heard Azeroth yet, not even in this cinematic. As such, if Anduin pursues the voice that is calling him, he may find that Light Crystal Mind and somehow find courage within himself to call upon the Light and restore or release the Light Crystal Mind from where it is trapped. Anduin can turn whatever regret or bitterness he has about the domination situation..... into determination to do something ethically righteous and helpful using his own willpower now.
Counter point. I do not think Xal'atath is Azeroth. I think she is Elune's Dark side. I think Mother Moon was split and Xal'atath was the purged void portion of that titan soul. She was set adrift and landed on Azeroth.
Doesn't the story of the dagger look a lot like the story of the One Ring? Was lost after a great battle, popped up in a few places here and there, and now recurfaced as a main thing in the story? With all of the stuff that was borrowed into WoW from LotR with a lot of stuff happening everywhere this might be the big bad in the end.
That's starting to sound like Xal'atath is the ONE ring, being passed from person to person, betraying the ones that wielded her, to be lost and then found again by another lol
Ive had the same thought. Or perhaps Xalathath is the titan, or the remnant of said titan, that sargeras thought to have destroyed after it was corrupted
I do not think xalatath is Azeroth, but she connected to Azeroth, though my theory is that there is 2 azeroths whitin, one light one dark, and they keep balance, but due to Sargeras sword, the dark side did for a while get more power, the reason N´zoth got free to begin with, but now again they are in balance, but due to everything and what Xalatath is doing the balance is again shifting more to the darkside winning, and this is why Anduin and Thrall can hear Azeroth calling again, and Alleria also, but due to her consuming a dark naru, she is more void and hears the dark side instead. I think that the idea is that when Azeroth is fully grown, the both sides would absorb eachother to be one titan, but if one side is stronger than the other it can become out of balance and not so good at all. this also meens Sargeras did a blunder, his main goal was to corrupt both sides so they joined him, but when he realiced he was failing he tried to hit the darks side, becuse the light side would have been the lesser evil, but he hit wrong one. Anduin and Thrall are most likely ment to be the ones helping the light side, where Xalatath and Alleria is ment to help the darks side, though alleria atleast from what we know has not yet atlest succumbed to the dark side.
Near-death experience at the end of the War of the Ancients, and potentially fully killed by players and resurrected by N'zoth when he grabbed her at the end of the Eternal Palace raid, but what would the second death be?
@@mokarokas-1727the first "death" could still have been the end of the War of the Ancients because she was transformed into a Naga. Death isn't just dying- it can also just be a huge change. I didn't know that blues confirmed that "her" to be Azshara- current quotes in game also point to Alleria having that too. Man I like seeing the possibilities back in the lore!
@@LadyAdrasteia666 - Yes, that why I'm on board to count the transformation as the first death, and the third as described, but can't figure out what the second would be.
@@mokarokas-1727 oh! I see! Honestly I counted that grab and resurrection as the second death since she is pursuing the "true throne of power" now. I figured that would be the third because pursuit of power tends to change people. I didn't even think that the grab could be the third, but that leaves potential for her backstory! Oh man that would just be so cool!
@mokarokas-1727 @@LadyAdrasteia666 First Death: N'Zoth lets her drown (we just don't see it). Second: He resurrects her but mutates her into a naga, thus killing the "person" that was Azshara and making her anew. Thats explained by blizzard somewhere. So, at the hour of her THIRD death (in EP raid)- she ushers in their coming- N'zoth is freed. And "all eyes shall be opened".
That "we must "re-build" titan" makes me curious, what if Azeroth bloomed into something they didn't want and they reduced it with their combined power to a constellar in the center of the planet back again to re-write, "re-built" her from start. You know just to keep things in "order".
Sargy was trying to find his mommy found his mommy and tried to free her and we literally stopped a crying child attempting to wake their mom up while being kidnapped.
The problem with your Theory of Xala'tath being a part of Azeroth's soul is that, it would make sence but only IF had been the Titans who imprissioned her inside the dagger to "cleanse" the corruption from Azeroth. But it has been told, by Xala'tath herself and others, that she was betrayed by the old gods. My Theory is that Xala'tath was NOT an old god, but a direct servant of the Void Lords... sorta like a messenger, a supervisor that was here to keep an eye on the Old Gods. Now, why would the Void Lords need to send a representative to keep in check the Old Gods? Well that is quite simple... It has been told already that the Old Gods are NOT mindless servants... they are actualy quite independant and cunning... and so, they could, and it may have, developed their own "goals". So agents such as Xala'tath would be needed. This would not only explain why the Old Gods did betray her and trapped her in the dagger, but also why there are DIFERENT manifestations of the void so diferent and aparently unrelated to the Old Gods. This would also explain why Deathwing, while he had found an aparently connection to the void plane, he had chosen to seal it, and hide it, rather then let the void come through... because he was being manipulated by the Old Gods, not the void Lords. Remember Xala'tath compared herself to the Naaru. The Old Gods had never been compared to them... The Old Gods, while spawned from the Void Lords, are more like.. corruption... and their agents are clearly always more like creatures that would spawn from some corrupted blood... corrupted mutations... the Nerubians, the Quiraji... they are not voidy in nature at all... Now, Xala'tath being an entity of the void, makes more sense now when she has offered the Nerubians of Azj Kajeth the power to "evolve", and their new forms look more voidy now btw... So she can do that because of the connection between the old god's blood and the void. So yeah... the Old Gods were sent to Azeroth to corrupt her and delivering the world soul to the Void Lords... but at some point, their goals changed, and went simply into "lets rule this place for ourselves". In fact, N'Zoth may have been trying to empower us for the very war AGAINST the Void, as weird as it may sound. During the Horrific Visions, N'zoth kept going on and on about how he was trying to prepare us for what "was coming", and im sure he didn't mean the Jailer because the Jailer was never realy set into "coming" to Azeroth so.... What was N'zoth trying to prepare us for? Also, there was a void ethereal in the visions asking us for some coins...why was he there? why did he need to hide and use us to get those relics? This only make sense if the void is not realy aligned with the old gods anymore.
We know that in the past at least partially Azeroth was infected by the void so it is quite possible that Azeroth has both light and void as part of herself. Like two sides to a same coin. In that vein, it could be possible that Xal'athath is a incarnation of the void part, which would also mean that there has to be the light side incarnation as well that we haven't yet encountered but likely will in the Last Titan or maybe even in Midnight with some hints showing up in The War Within. To that name, i think ''the War Within'' actually has a double meaning here as it may also refer to a struggle between the light and void side of Azeroth itself just as Aleria for instance has been experiencing the same struggle ever since she took the void into herself. In that vein, Aleria and her own struggle could also be a representation and/or reflection of Azeroth itself. This is why she gets different visions than everyone else, because she can relate to Azeroth more in that regard. Could totally be of base here though
Id say yes but they said that alleria and xal will be rivals. I find it hard to believe youd wanna be a rival with your own planet. Who knows though, i like the idea of a spirit being split. Theyve never really touched on azeroth eating the spirit element, so i hope they tie that into the story somehow.
I'm just thinking of another theory (not sure many might agree with me) So with all the war that has happened over the ages, mostly with demons and fel (I.E war of the ancients and Legion) as well with all the war between mortal races. Could it be possible that the world soul might have been driven to madness? We know the titan must of felt everything happening on the surface, scaring it more and more, to the point it has come to this twist version of peace, once born looking to cleanse the planet of everything that has hurt it so much? I am not sure if it was because the world soul is such a power being, or was it the madness that has caused the voices and vision that thrall were seeing in the new trailer caused them pain. It's just an alternative look going off the trailer and all lore!
Quite funny how they retconned the shot out of the story (and screwed up Artas story and motivations) to put in The Jailer guy. Meanwhile they already have a scheming manipulator that actually influenced and puppeteered everyone in her wake to achieve the eerie goal.
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I'm just excited to see YOU excited again Nobbel, it's been rough watching you feel dispirited about wow. Your fun lore videos are like the extra treat after dinner to make the moment memorable and entice one to come back for more.
Not sure about Xal being Azeroth but I am starting to suspect that azeroth has been asking magni et al to save her from her titan tormentors. I feel like she's a type battery for the titans who use her energy
You have a pretty good point… we’ve seen Azerite weaponized by Tyr and Zovaal and even Magni and M.O.T.H.E.R who are supposed to be her caretakers… if I was Azeroth I would be extremely unhappy and not even in a violent way just emotionally hurt kinda way
@@malphasblackwing420 Yeah its all confusing now with the lore
Titans = Eternal Ones which dont make sence since the Eternal Ones were created and the titans were born- Eternal ones power seems limited where the titans could cut worlds in half.
I think we got this whole thing wrong.
I think titans = first ones and the first ones are the real death panthones and they created the Eternal ones and the enternal ones are = to Odin/Tyr/thor/hoder/Freia/lokin
that's exactly what Sargeras did to Argus, so it would make sense, but kinda boring since it wouldn't be new, hmm
I don't think. Sargeras turned evil. The other titans had boner on order but were normal. Unless blizz retcons everything.. Again
Oh this is so good if it’s true. What a twist!!!
Xal'Atath was manipulating the Jailer all along and his plans were actually her plans.
lol
She is who the jailor was trying to protect us from this whole time! Jailor was ACTUALLY trying to protect us from the TRUE threat😂😂😂
lazy peon are best master plan !
cant wait to be revealed, who has been manipulating her, in just 5 more expansions
wtf is this naruto? so a big manipulator being manipulated by bigger thing that is manipulated by a bigger bigger thing that is manipulated by a bigger bigger bigger thing lazy writing .
I fucking love all of the theories the lore community is making
It's said a lot anytime a new expansion is revealed but it rlly feels like the old days again with all these diverse and cool theories
@bruel_9096 exactly! Since mid-BFA and all of SL and DF, I dropped WoW and the lore because of where it was going. However, with the new announcement, with Metzen back, I'm hopeful and just really excited to see where we are going now.
DF has a lot of setup[ for this , Metzens been back for over a year also @@SeeIAmDead
Sad part is, its speculated so much that whatever blizzard puts out will be a disappointment. The hype is everything
I mean 9 out of 10 theories will probably not amount to anything but it's never about predicting, it's about creating cool idea's and forming connections with the tapestry that's already been woven.
It does feel good to be excited for the game again. For the stories and looking forward to what’s next.
You should revisit the Northrend Nerubians, since it was confirmed we are going back there. The Nerubians inside one of those two dungeons, or the ones guarding the dungeon's entrance (where we kill Anub'arak), they mention an entity that they worship. At that time we assumed it was Yogg-Saron, but it could also be Xal'atath. And since she will empower the Nerubians, I would say maybe Nerubians always worshiped her and were maybe created by her, and not Yogg-Saron
I doubt that will be the case. So first the Nerubians were Aqir long before. They didnt diverge untill one part of the Aqgir population were isolated in the north close to Yogg'sarons prison and over time they diverged in their evolution creating a visually distinct race - just like how the Mantid and Qiraji changed over time because they were isolated close to the energies of other old gods ( Yshaaraj and Cthun respectivly). Its certainly not an impossible change to make but it just makes little sense and doesnt really add anything. Its more interresting to make Xal'atath into something completely different from the Old gods - which I also think Blizz will since she lacks even basic characteristics of the old gods outside of being a force related to the void. Its just a bit of an odd change since Yogg'saron and his saronite blood bleeding all into northrend is already established and to then turn around and say "oh ignore all that. The Nerubians changed for completely other reasons even though they are in basicly the same situation that the Qiraji and Mantid were".
Thats not to say that the Nerubians might not turn to her now - given that Yogg'saron is dead and they want to rebuild and she is after all somehow connected to the old gods. Personally I think they will try and expand the forces of the void and make her into something very different and something that will shape the future rather than be revealed as something that were working behind the scenes all this time.
Holy moly I've missed these kinds of videos! This is the kind of speculation and fun stuff that really made me love the Lord. The questions that are not answered but the bread crumbs left around. It may not be the actual story but it is really cool to think about the possibilities. I've been looking at a few of the other whispers of are good friend, I have a feeling another is about to be fulfilled.
it's nice that we can actually speculate again with out feeling like it's going to be in vain.
Thank you so much Nobbel! I literally couldn't survive without your videos..... I would die!
Good to see you seeing excited and nerding about wow. One of your greatest lore videos in a long time
What if the visions are coming from Xalatoth? That could be why Alleria receives them differently from Anduin and Thrall.
Yeah, I've noted before how Magni describes hearing the voice of Azeroth as sharing in her feelings, and that there's something musical about it. The painful noises and clear words Thrall and Anduin heard seem very different. Would absolutely buy that Xal'atath is trying to impersonate Azeroth to lure us down into her Nerubian trap.
Side note: I'm very confused about them being Nerubians when they're apparently "west of Pandaria", despite Nerubians being native to Northrend and their closest kin are the Qiraji of Silithus. If they decided to make the Azjol-Nerub zone they always wanted to make, they should've just... made that instead. lol
@@mokarokas-1727 Well, back before the War of the Ancients, the whole world was one biiiig continent.
@@itachiu37 - Yes, but their common ancestor (the Aqir) were split up into these geographically distant groups after warring with the trolls, so they were separated for millennia even before the Sundering. These "Nerubians" should logically be an off-shoot of their practically neighboring Qiraji, not the Nerubians on the other side of the world. It would be a non-issue if the zone was Azjol-Nerub, but they wanted their four-layered Zaralek Cavern, so...
Shhh, they're on to us@@mokarokas-1727
I saw the tweet, that title. Was *not* what I was expecting.
Let's go mate!
Nobbel gets excited about WoW again. It’s now safe to say, “WoW is back!”
What an INSANE reach, you’re Mr. Fantastic with this one 😂
I do share your excitement for Wow, it's great to be looking forward to the story and lore again!!!
I listened to your legion artifact videos so much a few years back when i would be at work that anytime i hear your intro and your "helllloooo everyone" my mind auto fills "The burning legion..."
Love the video, intriguing idea to chew on. Would love for to pose this question Accolonn, and you two mull it over more in a video.
A lot of descriptions of Azeroth’s world soul is that she has the personality of a frightened child… what if the reason for this is because Xal’atath is Azeroth’s already corrupted mind held in stasis while the body is more or less uncorrupted BUT Xal’atath wants to reunify with her original physical body and accomplish the tenebrous plans of the void lords
This is too cool of a theory for it to be real. God the theories for WoW are so amazing and then what we get isn’t always as amazing
I like that theory, but it begs the question as to why the other old gods would imprison her in the dagger then?
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If my theory is true it could be possible that Xal’atath/Azeroth *Xal’eroth?* was more than what the old gods were expecting… Xal’atath definitely knows something special that most cosmic beings don’t
It's so great to see you acually really excited for the lore again 😊❤
Oooo well said, your onto something here, well played Sir
So, Nega-Scott Pilgrim, but more like Nega-Tom Bombadil?
Me before priest main gets the blade: I would never equip a cursed weapon.
Me after: I want my chatty dagger back.
Myself and a buddy of mine were really, really curious on what was going to happen with Xal'atath in the expansion. First thing we both said "We should check out and see if Nobbel has a video on it" and bam, here we are. Thank you for all you do, Sir. You're a true credit to the community :) (before some chad decides to come on full blast and say: "THATS JUST PURE SPECULATION!!!!" you're right, I can read too amigo. doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the content ;) )
That was another thing what made Legion so great. You WANTED to play all classes. You didnt just want to grind endgame, but experience all the stories collecting all the weapons while getting story content, which directly tells past and creates new world building.
And needless to say: Xalatath was the most memorable weapon, especially with her whispers teasing you. Sure there was the one arcane mage weapon, but it didnt even come close. And ofc getting her a hot void elf body during BFA sold it for good. I never understood why Shadowlands wasnt primarily about Bwondsami and her instead of well a crappy Thanos. -.- Imo DF is a "Filler Arc" - btw having the same issue with missing back stories as SL had - and I really hope theyre getting back to the follow up of Legion.
I gotta agree with the assessment of Legion. That was the only real expansion that had me wanting to play to max level every character type, so I could see all the story. Even Priest, which isn't a favorite class for me. If they can take what made Legion so great and put it into the next three expansions I think it'd be outstanding.
As for the "Third Awakening"... if it really does 'usher in' the return of the Old Gods, then that's a great place to "Remake" WoW, revamp everything. Because everything would be revamped anyway.
I wouldnt be surprised if we "fail" at the end and all thats left is a cosmic reset button leading us to wow2. Also would make sense, though 4 years may be too short.@@twiztedsynz
I'm pretty sure DF was a complete filler card for blizz to play in case shit ever goes down and they gotta restructure/recover.
I've read something about some very old datamined Dragon Isles assets way before release and some theories that it's backup comtent. The story also seems kinda off from the main lore but with the open possibility to insert some lore ties here and there no matter the timeline.
It’s funny you’d mention the arcane mage weapon (Aluneth) because I’ve been using the transmog of it on my mage recently and it talks every now and again when I use conjure refreshments to remind me I’m useless 😂
"I'm excited to be excited again" good god that hit hard
Awesome bro, always love your vids 💗
Aww I’m excited that you’re excited Nobbel !
i think it was in the nighthold raid, where you fight the navigator or protecting freya, where was possible to see that a white planetoid (i think its our moon, aka elune) had some purple tentacles over it, it also could be dark elune or something maybe? or was this something just to tease and not meaning anything or just another planet being corrupted and stuff
This is the silliest speculation I've seen all day and it's only 6am.
Could be that Azeroth, in an attempt to break out of her 'prison', tried to transfer her essence into Y'shaarj's remains after
Amanthul ripped him out. So she filled up the Claw of an Old God, became a Weapon. The essence then transfers to the Elven Body we know and witnessed.
The Jailer has his Machines in the North near Ahn'kahet and Xal'atath in the South near Azj-kahet. There are definitely some parallels here. We have Earthens in both Locations as well.
And Light-driven Humans. Hallowfall-Arathi in the South and the Scarlet Onslaught in the North. Just saying...
Azeroth is probably a sleeping/forming first one. I have a theory that the first ones are like Xel’Naga and that they created the Warcraft universe by sacrificing themselves.
It’s possible that Titans are just failed first ones that awakened too early from their slumbers. This makes Azeroth a true first one and was likely created directly by the first ones to power the Zereth gates that were used to fuel the creation of the universe.
Excited about the Lore in WoW for the first time since... Legion. Fitting. (;
Glad youre excited about wow about Nobbel, it's nice
HA! thats so weird.. I was playing BFA earlier today trying to catch up on missed content and got the very quest where you meet her.. then came online and this was in my recommendations
This is going to end up being that the Titans are evil and every villain we have fought so far was actually right.
World souls are like dragons, they are pure potential and change when exposed to different energies. The titans tried to infuse Azeroth with order in the same way they corrupted dragons still in the shell. Imo
The idea of Elune being a duality with Xalatath being the dark side. That would be interesting.
„I had a couple of braindfarts I wanted to share“ … yes we’ve all been there Nobbel!! But at least yours do (or could) make sense 🤣
You know i just noticed something, Sargeras is able to materialize his sword and I'm gonna assume in any grip style he wants. So from the looks of that cinematic he deliberately chose to stab Azeroth instead of cleaving the planet in two like he did with that one void corrupted planet with a world soul and other void touched planets I'm gonna assume as well. i wonder if he knew/knows something that maybe the other beings in the cosmology chart don't. Thoughts?
Edit: to me it looks like he would have had enough time to cleave it in two instead of stab.
To be fair though cleave doesnt mean he did it in 1 swing. He might have been cutting into that planet for quite a while before he actually got through it. All we know is that the end result were supposedly that the planet was cleaved in 2. We have no idea how many swings it took, how long time or even if he did some kind of elaborate ritual/spell casting to make it possible to begin with - all things that he certainly did not have time to do in Legion.
true, you make a good point@@pepparmostheelder
Probably unrelated, but I’ve had my MH/OH transmogged to Xal’atath for a while now. That is, until 10.2 dropped and the MH somehow reverted back to a previous transmog. I put the Xal’atath mog back on and now I can see its whispers in my chat log. I’ve had the Aberrus cloak equipped for longer than my Xal mog, so it’s possible I’ve just been overlooking these whispers until now - but I don’t think so?
I just hope Queen Azshara comes back because she changed when nzoth offered her and her people a "gift" and azshara was the queen of beauty and it was shown in her room in cinamatics she clearly wanted her image to be of beauty even when corrupted T_T
Very interesting theory, never thought of this before but now this could make much sense.
I like when WoW stories go back to content that has existed for a long time and have been set up, rather than some random crap we didn't even know about and had no setup.
Imagine if blizzard ended Wow by revealing that as Azeroth is born it destroys the planet and that was her plan all along.
Xal'atath is not Azeroths dark half, she is a twin planet that never got to be and was swallowed by the void: In the beginning they were two world souls orbiting one another and Xal was devoured, so it is Azeroths sister who hate Azeroth because she was allowed to live, develop and all that. Maybe she thinks killing Azeroth will be justice so they both suffer (how dare azeroth be happy when xal had to suffer) or she believes killing azeroth creates a void (lol) where she can replace azeroth.
Nobbel, I literally asked myself this question as soon as Chris said "conspiracy" at BlizzCon
Thanks for the subtitles
I had forgotten about the void connection to the Amani trolls, dollars to donuts they'll use that connection as a hook to do the light/void battle and silvermoon revamp they were talking about in Midnight
I have a theory that Xalatath is Alleria who gives into the void, gets trapped back in time and then comes back to turn herself to the void. That is the War Within. (I’m sure at least the War Within is a metaphor for Alleria as well as Azeroth). Alleria and Xalatath are going to have a rivalry this xpac… but I feel like it isn’t just a rivalry… it could just be herself…
That would contradict how Xala'tath's present form was created by N'zoth before his demise in BFA.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 perhaps he chose a form that suited her from before… It’s a very light theory I don’t expect them to go with it.
Perfect timing! You rock!
I LOVED the 3 bell rings.... creeeeepyyyyy
What if...... that old god whisper of "The Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all" is actually referring to the Titans as the enemy of all, from their perspective..... and that bargain between Titans and Light happened way back when the Titans arrived at Azeroth? What if there was a giant magical Light crystal which was visiting Azeroth and either crashed accidentally or maybe was attacked by old gods and fell apart then crashed with fragments piercing through the surface and ending up down deeper below. Some of those fragments could still have Light magic blazing bright. And then, when the Titans arrived to see the black empire, maybe they detected and found most of those Light fragments. Maybe the Titans communicated with the Light and made a deal....the Titans would build machines around and on top of those Light fragments to keep them safe, and the Light would allow their magic to be used for fighting off old gods. The big Yellow White Light magic laser in Uldum which can perform reorigination may just be a titan facility with a Light crystal fragment inside it that can be turned on or off. Similarly, other Light crystal fragments may exist in the Uldir and Ulduar facilities....and even within Uldorus. It was not lost on me that the Tyrhold facility has a Yellow White Light magic type of beam coming up out of the spire when they reactivated it. Not an Arcane beam, not an Arcane magic effect.....nope, yellow white Light. And what if....... the reason that reactivating the dragon oathstones and then having Alexstrasza try to activate the main Mother Oathstone did nothing........ is because that particular device is supposed to be powered by a Light crystal fragment deep down in Uldorus and all of those fragments are being tampered with and interfered with by Xal'atath and nerubians this whole time? As such, maybe the Light crystal fragment in Hallowfall underneath Khaz Algar didn't have an Uld facility built around it and that one is vulnerable to Xal'atath? So it is whispering for help from Anduin and Alleria..... with such whispers going to Anduin when it is in Light form, and going to Alleria when that crystal is in Shadow form?
If all of the above is true....... it could also mean that if we help to stabilize or free the Light crystal fragments..... we could shut down all the Reorigination beams available on Azeroth and take that threat away from now on?
The corruption of the old gods wasn’t contained. I think it’s a pretty safe assumption that old god whispers to a wound world spirit about who ripped a hole Azeroth bled from for aeons.
Yo that would be the biggest bamboozle. Also idk but if you watch the War Beneath cinematic it almost looks like Azeroth is touched by void magic
I genuinely think you're onto something here Nobbel - I also think that giant crystal in the arathi zone is an ancient prime naaru.
I'm 99'9% sure Aman'Thul ripping a tree and an old god from the earth leaving roots and tentacles behind unknowingly are not 2 separate events...
Idc if she turns out to be a manipulator, she'd still be better than the jailer. I enjoyed her quest in BFA. I'm very excited for her new continuing story 💖
I think maybe she is an incomplete version or 0.5 version of what Azeroth would become if corrupted by the void lords.
You are doing video about her origin, despite she clearly says these line to shadow priests.
Xal'atath whispers: We may face some of my BRETHREN in this conflict... a prospect that delights me. Their power will be mine! They will pay for what was done to me long ago.
Xal'atath whispers: It is ironic that the WEAKEST OF US may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be.
I’m personally starting to wonder if Azeroth is even what we’ve been lead to believe by the Titans. What if, everything they’ve told us, was wrong? What if Azeroth isn’t a Titan soul at all? What if she’s literally like Azathoth, the god head, the one responsible for everything existing being the one who dreamt everything into existence. What if her mind held sway over everything, and that’s why the old gods wanted to corrupt her? Why the Jailer wanted to dominate her soul? Doing so would give them total control over all existence, would give the Void Lords dominance over everything, just as the Titans want total order. Even the fallen Titan wanted to destroy Azeroth, either thinking her a possible void Titan, or deemed it better to destroy all existence than to let the Void Lords take control.
If this is the case, if her dreaming is what allows everything to exist, then letting her awaken may be the worst thing imaginable, because then everything winks out of existence. Poof, everything gone. Now this may not be the case, my just be total hogwash and Azeroth is just a very powerful Titan soul. This may be just a very wild idea, lol. but Azeroth sounds so much like that of the so called Idiot God from Lovecraft Mythology. Heck, so many of the Old Gods are inspired by the Great Old Ones and Outer Ones, wouldn’t be surprised if Azeroth is inspired by Azathoth in some way. Would definitely explain why so many factions are fighting over her, being the very heart of all existence. Whomever controls the universe’s core, controls everything.
I think the name honestly is just a victim of old lore, when Titans were pretty much what the Keepers are today and the Old Gods were unfathomably more powerful and everything about the planet's inside seemed to be evil. Then they made it good but kept the name. =')
Compelling theory, but I agree that the name and inspiration is likely a leftover of pre-retcon lore, and might not necessarily mean much now
I think is that a titan is born from a planet. So for her to be born azetoth needs to be sacrificed
@@mokarokas-1727 yeah, I kinda wish they had kept with that idea. Really like it more when the Old Gods were more unknowable and cosmic horror. Now they’re just parasites.
@@kevindenis9551 discarded and defeated parasites. Man they really done this whole old god plot dirty
Nobbel smoking the good stuff I see.
I haven't played much retail for a long time (mostly Classic) but this storyline looks like it's going to be amazing. This might draw me back
I really want to start following the worldsoul saga but the lore and story Is overwhelming, is there a way to play all the current story and understand it going in to war within?
There is not which is a big problem. I ofc got videos on the story of warcraft and will be covering world within. Hoping that they'll make some changes ingame to experience the story better ua-cam.com/video/RKsNKZi5Ct8/v-deo.htmlsi=yabAEZMwb5YT8fKg
Xal'atath and Azeroth are pseuo-anagrmas of each other. Like some of the vowels are different but X and Z are both the same sound and R and L are a very similar sound.
WAS JUST THINKING THIS LAST NIGHT. I'm thinking she's the corrupted form of Azeroth that split away.
It seem that the lore in WOW is developing in a similar way to the eastern Yin & Yang belief in balance, but the Azeroth having only Light or having only Void is dangerous & there needs to be a balance between the two to be stable.
Uuuuh, that's a thing since many years and quite obvious.
@@miriamweller812 - Really? Because in the Chronicle there's clear emphasis on how good things were before the Void came and messed with the Light.
I think that Azeroth is going to end up as a king of kings. The greatest titan of order, the greatest creature infected with fel, a paragon of light and void, and also a lord of life and death. She was already like a super-eonar with the emerald dream, but without a titan of death and a direct connection to the shadowlands, she is both life and death. The light thrives on her surfaces, and yet she is also infected by the void via the old gods. Finally, the sword of sargeras has infected her with his fel, making her the strongest "demon" and "titan". She is the greatest god of every pantheon, and would be worshipped by naaru and void gods alike.
Its not only about Light or Dark. Current lore makes it quite clear that Azeroth is the center of everything and every faction of the cosmic order is interested im her. At the moment is Order and Void fighting over Azeroth. Death and Chaos have failed but we will see what influence the sword will have.
Drink every time Nobbel says Toe
I still think She and Elune are two halves of a fith Oldgod, similar to the Sha, but only two.
If Naru can turn void, than an Old God should be able to turn Light. I think that's what started to happen and the other Old Gods killed her before it could happen, leaving two halves. Elune being the Light half and Xalatath being the Void half.
This is neat i'd like that.
I don't like that, mostly because neither of them possess old god -like qualities, and also because Elune is strongly associated with Life not Light, and Xal'atath seems to be an actual void character rather than a minion of it
@@ultravioletcatastrophe In Legion we learned that the origin of the Naaru is connected to Elune.
I'm not suggesting she's a minion, rather that she is one half of an old god.
@@AlexanderForsman old gods are minions of the void. xal'atath is likely a higher order of void being
So..
> Sylvanas was the manipulator > plot twist, she was manipulated by the Jailer
> Jailer was the manipulator > plot twist, he was manipulated
Wow, is just a whole this is the bad guy...no wait, bad guy is being manipulated by a very bad guy...no , wait very bad guy is being manipulated by an ultra bad guy. Rinse and repeat. Oh and you're the champion but not really, lmao.
I like to think Azeroth isn't a titan at all, but the closest thing to an actual god
I agree with this. I've been thinking this since Legion. I believe the Old Gods were just Azeroth's Dark Side and/or natural state.
The Titans and the void lords are the same race, just different factions.
Azeroth was to be born into the void lord faction, but the titan faction realized it's potential and enslaved it.
Hahaha writers in Blizzard are taking notes furiosly
The blade abandoned Modgud? Hmm... maybe, just maybe, at some point a gnome has to throw the blade into a mighty campfire of doom.
now that's a "jailer"-esk villain I can stand and watch, a split Azaroth then oh how fun must the light part of her be....
there was a picture in one of the hearthstone expansion promos that showed all the titans.. and there is a new titan there.. another lady titan.. Azeroth maybe?
Is that the Cloister Bell i hear!? 14:41
Sometimes I have to check that I’m not holding the fast forward button down because the way you change cadence when speaking 😅
Our piece of the universe is mainly usually defined by Light & Shadow. Both Moira's son and Alleria & Turalyon's son Arathor are described by it as well - I feel these connections are way too slim but they are there.. Shadowlands did bring one important piece of lore which was the First Ones (hate it or love it). If Azeroth is a First One - which is extremely likely imo, she would be the one of both Light AND Shadow. There used to be - we don't know where they went - multiple First Ones who built the Shadowlands, it's safe to assume many of them were aligned more with different types of magic & existence but since they are more primal, it's safe to assume they weren't as divided as the many realms of the universe are today. Life and Shadow used to be connected, it could very well be that Azeroth is a new - or old First One spirit of that connected nature. Or, she encompasses ALL of the major realms and types of magic there are. She is really powerful obviously, so different sides would want to nudge her developing spirit to their side - or straight up mold her into a form they desire - like the titans want her to be a child of Order, a titan, or the Old Gods & Void Lords, a Void Lord, etc. The Jailer (love hi or hate him - he was still badly developed but had potential to be cool - whatever) at least had a better idea and a more ambitious plan - with the access of the Sepulcher to instead of molding her, straight up using her First One essence (another piece of evidence that she is indeed a First One spirit - hence she could empower First One machinery of that scale & importance) to remake the whole of reality. Despite how Shadowlands turned out, I actually like that idea, and I think it's not far fetched at all.
This is ofc speculation, but if it turns out to be the case, Xal'atath could very well be the Shadow-side or a piece of the Shadow side of her spirit. Very compelling theory and fits in with my First One thought (that many many others others have had too to be fair, it seems quite well telegraphed so far - but ofc it's not set in stone at all).
I am no longer confident in saying that the voice is the azeroth world soul. Considering how deceptive some of the last cinematics have been.....I think that may be some misdirection. The cinematic for announcing dragonflight deceived us about titans and the isle itself. The cinematic for shadowland with sylvanas and bolvar definitely deceived us about what the helmet means and what the shadowlands mean and what sylvanas was going to do there. And the cinematic for bfa most assuredly deceived us with sylvanas yelling horde but irrefutably not caring about any horde. Therefore, yes....I agree that the cinematic is trying to deceive you into believing that the voice we hear is the azeroth world soul. But I don't think it is showing or proving any such thing. Here is my alternative speculation to try and stay consistent with what we see in that cinematic.
I think........that maybe the voice they are hearing is actually a mind inside that big giant crystal we see in Hallowfall. Maybe not necessarily a naaru.....but a being capable of existing inside a large crystal; sure. And I think that mind is alternating back and forth between Light and Shadow. Maybe not on purpose, and maybe not what the mind wishes....but it could be happening anyway. And I think the voice speaking to Anduin and Thrall is that crystal mind during the times when it is manifesting Light. I also think that very same crystal mind is the source of the voice which Alleria Windrunner hears.....but Alleria is only hearing it at the times when the crystal mind manifests shadow. I think that crystal mind had been in an equilibrium of switching Light and Shadow until recent years; when Xalatath arrived. I think it very possible that Xal'atath is making deals with the nerubians so she can gather black blood of old gods and maybe attempt to cover and dip the giant crystal in that black blood to force it to shift Shadow and stay Shadow forever. That may be her plan, and the crystal mind is trying to reach out to any heroes it can find to get help in stopping this plan. Where did this crystal mind come from originally? Well, here is my speculation.... maybe long ago either before the black empire, or during the black empire but before any Titans arrived..... some kind of Light Crystal creature tried to visit Azeroth but unfortunately fell apart when arriving and several different fragments of itself crashed down and pierced under the surface in several different spots on the planet. Since the being was injured, it might accidentally cycle from Light to Shadow based on whether some spirits of dead mortals pass nearby.....which was a similar phenomenon to what happened in Nagrand on Outland, and also within the seat of the triumvirate on Argus. Then.... when the Titans did arrive, maybe they detected those fragments and purposefully started building Uld- facilities on top of and/or to contain those fragments. And since those fragments may have still had Light magic capabilities, those facilities could have possibly focused and exploited those Light powers to create on-demand beams of Yellow Holy Magic.....a kind of magic that would be powerful enough to vaporize old gods and reoriginate new matter or new life to replace it. That has been one of the big confusions for fans....... if Titans are so aligned with arcane magic.....why do their big weapons seem to use large beams of seemingly Yellow Holy Magic...? Well this could be the answer.
And no, I'm not saying there is no world soul inside Azeroth. I still think it is there, and it could even have a female mind; but I'm getting the impression that we haven't heard Azeroth yet, not even in this cinematic. As such, if Anduin pursues the voice that is calling him, he may find that Light Crystal Mind and somehow find courage within himself to call upon the Light and restore or release the Light Crystal Mind from where it is trapped. Anduin can turn whatever regret or bitterness he has about the domination situation..... into determination to do something ethically righteous and helpful using his own willpower now.
Holy fuck I literally said this day one during the blizcon event !!!!! I called that shit off rip I’m glad others see it too.
Can someone tell me where 4:30 is from with all the elemental lords?
Counter point. I do not think Xal'atath is Azeroth. I think she is Elune's Dark side.
I think Mother Moon was split and Xal'atath was the purged void portion of that titan soul. She was set adrift and landed on Azeroth.
Doesn't the story of the dagger look a lot like the story of the One Ring? Was lost after a great battle, popped up in a few places here and there, and now recurfaced as a main thing in the story? With all of the stuff that was borrowed into WoW from LotR with a lot of stuff happening everywhere this might be the big bad in the end.
That's starting to sound like Xal'atath is the ONE ring, being passed from person to person, betraying the ones that wielded her, to be lost and then found again by another lol
Ive had the same thought.
Or perhaps Xalathath is the titan, or the remnant of said titan, that sargeras thought to have destroyed after it was corrupted
I do not think xalatath is Azeroth, but she connected to Azeroth, though my theory is that there is 2 azeroths whitin, one light one dark, and they keep balance, but due to Sargeras sword, the dark side did for a while get more power, the reason N´zoth got free to begin with, but now again they are in balance, but due to everything and what Xalatath is doing the balance is again shifting more to the darkside winning, and this is why Anduin and Thrall can hear Azeroth calling again, and Alleria also, but due to her consuming a dark naru, she is more void and hears the dark side instead. I think that the idea is that when Azeroth is fully grown, the both sides would absorb eachother to be one titan, but if one side is stronger than the other it can become out of balance and not so good at all. this also meens Sargeras did a blunder, his main goal was to corrupt both sides so they joined him, but when he realiced he was failing he tried to hit the darks side, becuse the light side would have been the lesser evil, but he hit wrong one. Anduin and Thrall are most likely ment to be the ones helping the light side, where Xalatath and Alleria is ment to help the darks side, though alleria atleast from what we know has not yet atlest succumbed to the dark side.
I think Sargeras being that stupid would really kill a lot of excitement for me.
@@hobosnake1 not stupid but he ran out of time and stabbed azeroth in a last effort, probably out of desperation
"At the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming."
It was confirmed (by blues) that line refers to Azshara.
Near-death experience at the end of the War of the Ancients, and potentially fully killed by players and resurrected by N'zoth when he grabbed her at the end of the Eternal Palace raid, but what would the second death be?
@@mokarokas-1727the first "death" could still have been the end of the War of the Ancients because she was transformed into a Naga. Death isn't just dying- it can also just be a huge change. I didn't know that blues confirmed that "her" to be Azshara- current quotes in game also point to Alleria having that too. Man I like seeing the possibilities back in the lore!
@@LadyAdrasteia666 - Yes, that why I'm on board to count the transformation as the first death, and the third as described, but can't figure out what the second would be.
@@mokarokas-1727 oh! I see! Honestly I counted that grab and resurrection as the second death since she is pursuing the "true throne of power" now. I figured that would be the third because pursuit of power tends to change people. I didn't even think that the grab could be the third, but that leaves potential for her backstory! Oh man that would just be so cool!
@mokarokas-1727 @@LadyAdrasteia666
First Death: N'Zoth lets her drown (we just don't see it).
Second: He resurrects her but mutates her into a naga, thus killing the "person" that was Azshara and making her anew.
Thats explained by blizzard somewhere.
So, at the hour of her THIRD death (in EP raid)- she ushers in their coming- N'zoth is freed.
And "all eyes shall be opened".
That "we must "re-build" titan" makes me curious, what if Azeroth bloomed into something they didn't want and they reduced it with their combined power to a constellar in the center of the planet back again to re-write, "re-built" her from start. You know just to keep things in "order".
You will kneel before me, for I am Xal'atath, TOE of Y'Shaarj!
Sargy was trying to find his mommy found his mommy and tried to free her and we literally stopped a crying child attempting to wake their mom up while being kidnapped.
The problem with your Theory of Xala'tath being a part of Azeroth's soul is that, it would make sence but only IF had been the Titans who imprissioned her inside the dagger to "cleanse" the corruption from Azeroth. But it has been told, by Xala'tath herself and others, that she was betrayed by the old gods.
My Theory is that Xala'tath was NOT an old god, but a direct servant of the Void Lords... sorta like a messenger, a supervisor that was here to keep an eye on the Old Gods.
Now, why would the Void Lords need to send a representative to keep in check the Old Gods? Well that is quite simple... It has been told already that the Old Gods are NOT mindless servants... they are actualy quite independant and cunning... and so, they could, and it may have, developed their own "goals". So agents such as Xala'tath would be needed.
This would not only explain why the Old Gods did betray her and trapped her in the dagger, but also why there are DIFERENT manifestations of the void so diferent and aparently unrelated to the Old Gods. This would also explain why Deathwing, while he had found an aparently connection to the void plane, he had chosen to seal it, and hide it, rather then let the void come through... because he was being manipulated by the Old Gods, not the void Lords.
Remember Xala'tath compared herself to the Naaru. The Old Gods had never been compared to them... The Old Gods, while spawned from the Void Lords, are more like.. corruption... and their agents are clearly always more like creatures that would spawn from some corrupted blood... corrupted mutations... the Nerubians, the Quiraji... they are not voidy in nature at all...
Now, Xala'tath being an entity of the void, makes more sense now when she has offered the Nerubians of Azj Kajeth the power to "evolve", and their new forms look more voidy now btw... So she can do that because of the connection between the old god's blood and the void.
So yeah... the Old Gods were sent to Azeroth to corrupt her and delivering the world soul to the Void Lords... but at some point, their goals changed, and went simply into "lets rule this place for ourselves". In fact, N'Zoth may have been trying to empower us for the very war AGAINST the Void, as weird as it may sound.
During the Horrific Visions, N'zoth kept going on and on about how he was trying to prepare us for what "was coming", and im sure he didn't mean the Jailer because the Jailer was never realy set into "coming" to Azeroth so.... What was N'zoth trying to prepare us for?
Also, there was a void ethereal in the visions asking us for some coins...why was he there? why did he need to hide and use us to get those relics? This only make sense if the void is not realy aligned with the old gods anymore.
We know that in the past at least partially Azeroth was infected by the void so it is quite possible that Azeroth has both light and void as part of herself. Like two sides to a same coin. In that vein, it could be possible that Xal'athath is a incarnation of the void part, which would also mean that there has to be the light side incarnation as well that we haven't yet encountered but likely will in the Last Titan or maybe even in Midnight with some hints showing up in The War Within. To that name, i think ''the War Within'' actually has a double meaning here as it may also refer to a struggle between the light and void side of Azeroth itself just as Aleria for instance has been experiencing the same struggle ever since she took the void into herself. In that vein, Aleria and her own struggle could also be a representation and/or reflection of Azeroth itself. This is why she gets different visions than everyone else, because she can relate to Azeroth more in that regard. Could totally be of base here though
Id say yes but they said that alleria and xal will be rivals. I find it hard to believe youd wanna be a rival with your own planet. Who knows though, i like the idea of a spirit being split. Theyve never really touched on azeroth eating the spirit element, so i hope they tie that into the story somehow.
Considering the name, it might be possible. It's world soul saga. All three expansions starts with a war and will end with last titan.
All I know is that there's definitely some shadowflame around the edges of the fireball that I guess is the planet's core.
I'm just thinking of another theory (not sure many might agree with me)
So with all the war that has happened over the ages, mostly with demons and fel (I.E war of the ancients and Legion) as well with all the war between mortal races. Could it be possible that the world soul might have been driven to madness?
We know the titan must of felt everything happening on the surface, scaring it more and more, to the point it has come to this twist version of peace, once born looking to cleanse the planet of everything that has hurt it so much? I am not sure if it was because the world soul is such a power being, or was it the madness that has caused the voices and vision that thrall were seeing in the new trailer caused them pain. It's just an alternative look going off the trailer and all lore!
Anyone notice the statues in the emerald dream?
WoW Lore is finally getting good again
Quite funny how they retconned the shot out of the story (and screwed up Artas story and motivations) to put in The Jailer guy. Meanwhile they already have a scheming manipulator that actually influenced and puppeteered everyone in her wake to achieve the eerie goal.
I thought it had been confirmed that the dark side of Azeroth was Activision