Have you done any research about Wotlk Classic before making this video? 60% of the video is you bashing OG Wrath for stupid reasons and the other 40% is a bit about Blizzard and some random b******t just to make it 14min. Wotlk Classic is maybe forgotten but not Wotlk, learn the difference TBC fanboy.
for me it was the fact blizzard was so woke you cant put king into a char name in a xpac called wrath of the litch king.... because king is too offensive lol but you can put queen in your name. lol that alone kinda ruined wrath classic for me :/ even tho i was super excited at first to play it also the fact that the community in classic wrath IS AND WAS nothing like the original community. its has shown me that the real reason wow is dead today is not wow its self but its shit community today in compairison to back then ..... but yea when you ruin immersion to be more *woke* and sensitive. It ruins the experience. that also does not help. idk i dont think wow has ever been really that good. What made the game sooooo damn fucking good was not the game but the community itself. somthing that just is not the same and probably neverrrrr will be :/ i mean wow its self was a culture at one point in time :/ also does not help ascension always steals me back from games anymore lolol
another content creator video with push and pull tecnique. guys you all didnt figured out. that every succesfull ccreator does this with every single game ...since the new yt algorythm idk since 10years? this game is fckkkk awesome . new game gets out thiiiis game is deaaaaaaaad. nobody carrrrrres. this game is the new 20y old playable game. this game iiiis dead allllll the time. guys you dont need nixxiom. go and log in into wrath. start dungeonfinder gamma : EVEN AS DAMAGEDEALER you find in max 4min a group middle in the night. on prime time in 1-2min. this is NUTS this is overpopulation. 2min que time as dd? ....yeah sure dead.....*sarcasm* guyssss its me nixiom blizzard or my managers dont pay me to bring this video out because cataclysm is coming and there are NO WOTLK ERA REALMS...no no no toootally not guys...im a honest person. trust me. no need to be sad that we are getting in 2-3years to Shadowlands classic. because ...wrath is kinda weird guys as i sayed !!! *sarcasm off* guys one tipp. compare old videos about same topic from big tech youtubers and compare it to game releases and also see that theyre all syncrhon saying always the same things. just enjoy what u play and stop listening to this liars.
Anyone who thinks that is just wrong. Wotlk was already struggling before Naxx ended. Pretty much all the fresh servers that were completely filled and consistently had multiple hour queues were completely empty before Ulduar even released. The token was the result of wotlk losing players, not the cause. Nobody wants to admit that wotlk, and classic in general, just isn't the game that people remember it to be. People want new things, and wotlk wasn't new. There's a good reason that HC is doing so well, and it's because it makes the game feel completely different.
For whatever reason, when recording this little rant last night (you can probably tell none of this was scripted), I never even thought about the Token, the bots, etc. 100% agree. Now that I think about it, the moment that they announced the Token for WotLK I stopped playing entirely. That, combined with the lack of attention the bots were getting as they overran servers; that didn't help either. A shame though! Maybe we'll get another shot at a proper WotLK experience some time in the future. Classic Classic WotLK when?
I guess thats a part of it but imo wrath feels meh, granted i didnt play it back in the day so I dont care, only got to lvl 77 before giving up on the tiring questing hubs. Im back in classic era though almost 60 ready to raid mc again😂
Yea, a lot has changed. like Blizzard employees and leadership. It stinks of their incompetence and lack knowledge about Wotlk. Letting Wotlk untouched with stupid changes would have been a better decision than what they have done until now. People will just return to private servers when Wotlk classic ends, like Warmane.
Well then why is classic popping off right now if times have changed? Era and hardcore seem to be doing way better than wrath right now and it came out 4 years before.
@@ambridge6645 Who's fault is that? Join a guild. Problem solved. I've never interacted with a GDKP. The fact people complain about the game and do nothing to fix the problem they themselves put me in really tells me a lot - that you're either really lazy or really hard to get on with and thus no guild will have you. And the bar is so low!
It was the fully manifestation of the endgame conveyor belt to hamster wheel forever model. After another 15 of other expansions doing that, especially legion and onwards, WotLK seems like a fuckin joke by comparison and only holds up because of nostalgia and level of relevance to wow’s lore.
This is my personal experience but I believe there maybe a lot of people like me, but I think huge amount of playerbase actually started with Wrath, it was peak of WoW's popularity after all, and if you did start with Wrath, Classic and TBC are completely new experiences for you that you missed out on and get to properly experience, while Wrath is just a repeat. And not to mention, WotLK private servers are much more popular for some reason, so that's another chunk of community that already played through the expansion
I went hard when it launched and slowly it dawned on me that things could just never be the same. What once was will never be again, and I was just fruitlessly chasing nostalgia. Then Baldur's Gate III came out.
I had the same experience. I was really enjoying the launch, but as time went on, I realized that something was missing. The game hadn't changed, but I had. I'm just much older now. And the longer I was continuing to play, the more I felt like I was tainting those beautiful memories I cherished playing WOTLK as a kid.
@@lilpuddin1560 i opened this video to give me a reason to play maybe, but after seeing this comment. I feel the absolute same way I just dont want to accept the fact im done with a game ive been so attached to.
It's not the same because most of us didn't kill the Lich king in Heroic for example. not even in Normal.. it was HARD yes for casuals.. I went there again in Wotlk Classic+ and I know everything almost ez pz fight looked like a tank and spank because it's an outdated content and everyone knows what's up...
As an old fart who considers OG wrath as the pinnacle of fun in my WoW lifetime here are my main reasons for not touching classic wrath. 1. Time commitment - when I played wrath I was a teenager and had near unlimited free time with not many real responsibilities. Classic, even classic wrath, requires a lot of time investment to do anything meaningful or fun and that’s time I simply don’t have currently. 2. Modern Gaming culture - sure we had GS back in the day, but that was a drop in the ocean compared to how hyper analyzed and meta driven current gaming is. That level of hyper utilization makes things less fun imo. Also as a secondary to that gaming culture is a lot less fun and free than it used to be. Everyone is silent, shitty, or a troll now. Everyone is trying to get one over on everyone else and isn’t interested in genuinely helping a part of the virtual world they inhabit be better. 3. Blizzard - I lost interest in classic the second they added level boosts. They’ve commodified everything and it just sucks the fun out of the game. It promotes bots which ruin the market which in turn hyper inflates gold costs which leads to my point 1 and 2. I don’t have the time to dedicate to farming the gold id need and other players do or will buy bot gold or a token to gain advantage leaving me with the options of not being able to afford shit or spending real life money just to try and maybe enjoy a game I already pay for. Isn’t a solid trade imo.
Yeah, I agree man. I personally do have time to raid, but I just dont really have any desire to. It was fun back in the day, like what loot the bosses gonna drop, what mechanics they gonna have, there was so much interest and wonder in world. Now every single thing is made into a guide, database etc. Every1 wants to clear raid as fast as possible with most FOM spec and class. Even back in TBC I didnt raid not only because I didnt have time, but because I wanted to play a rogue and nobody needed rogues in raids. Also boosts is a major downside of that, GDKP raids, where people literally buy gold to buy items so made game p2w. Even the token that was added. But I play this game out of nostalgia from time to time and I wish we had Wrath Era servers so you can play them for a long time. I enjoy leveling alts, doing fishing dailies and hunting mounts etc. It just became less social for me and more like a single player game.
Unfortunately, #3 is intended to be part of the solution to #1. I wholeheartedly agree with you on #2. I’d love to play realms where logging and addons are disabled. This applies to retail too.
2 and 3 are the most relevant, 1 i don't really agree since it only applies to raid and i can do pvp no problem. 2. is especially the deal breaker since everyone thinks they are super hardcore and only want meta player when every class and spec can clear most content easily, even in wrath. Also classic hardcore is a better game than wrath since it solve all point due to it's focus on leveling and easy raids (expect nax), yes even point 1 since there is no rush to 60 and you will probably die anyway so it's just a focus on taking your time and have an adventure.
No farming and megaservers with only 1 faction completely destroy the spirit of the game. Then they added the wow token which devalues every single form of farming that helps keep servers feeling alive. If all you're left with is raid logging or searching for the most convenient GDKP, then most people simply stop caring about the game. The feeling of community dies when there's no other reason to log onto the game.
Totally agree. I was so excited to play classic especially tbc when it first came out but what killed it for me is that the people have changed from when I first played. Back then I met so many cool people and had a lot of great experiences because of the people I met while leveling. Now nobody wants to talk anymore, they just want to be boosted to raid logging content. The culture is just different now and that’s what killed my drive to play.
Cause the game was really fun to play the first time. Not trying to ruin the experience by playing it again as an adult with a career where I cannot possibly replicate the experience.
1) I will play "Classic+" if they do it right. But if they are even thinking of adding level boost and especially wow token, HARD pass! Maybe that's why they charge 50 bucks, hence no token? 2) For the love of God if they add High Elves (BEs) please update the bow animation to newer one. Was a big welcomed change later on. Old animation is aweful. A simple toggle would work. 3) Scarlet Monastery raid. Considering how popular SM dungeons have always been. Fill the empty and unfinished areas with content. Many places on the world map to add more. 4) If they will add housing which was a plan for Vanilla back in the days, don't make it like in WoD. Last thing we need is "empty" servers where people sit in their houses and "farm/craft" all day.
My take is that people realised they dont want any expansions making the old world and the previous expansion(s) irrelevenat. What we all want is the wole world to be relevant we dont need much more than Eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor. Give me one good reason to go to Kalimdor, EK, outland gameplay wise other than getting legacy mounts and stuff like that. If Outland and Northrend would be implemented the Turtle wow way it would be a whole other story.
@@cococock2418The amount of people raiding =/= the amount of people playing. A ton of the population playing vanilla are enjoying the leveling content and/or doing hardcore. In retail, there's tons of things to do outside raiding. In WoltK all you have to do at max level is raiding lol.
@@Robzeke I'm learning this the hard way, just got to level 80 as ret pally and I've been grinding AV to get a full pvp set, just to find that there's practically no one doing arena's anymore ;(
I never really minded old content being "Invalidated" as I pretty much just farmed it for mounts/rep for the achievement system. Despite most people raid logging in WOTLKC I was pretty busy collecting cosmetics and did mount runs in ZG/Kara with a friend. I find that people who complain about the old world being irrelevant tend to be altoholics.
Wrath and TBC classic had the same vibe. The start of the expansion was amazing, but it soon became a raid log event where you would log on just to do the raids once a week for a couple of hours.
Tbh, I skipped tbc entirely. Was burned out after Naxx and doing all the world buffs and stuff. But I have played a lot of TBC on private servers over the years and I usually enjoy it better than Wotlk since at least playing alts was a lot of fun to do, considering I enjoy the progression of TBC. Now Wotlk is just a waiting room for Cata, which is my favorite expansion... might be a one of a kind player...
Yup same complaints from back in the day. And the problem is that Wrath raids become too hard for Vanilla players, so they have nothing to do in Wrath. People don't understand that players started leaving WoW in 3.2 way before Cata, it's just that more new players were coming, but you can visibly see the plateau in sub numbers if you don't believe me, I was there, my guildies were leaving, and then the guild went away by Cata. Though I think 10 man normal is an excellent base difficulty and blizzard should have communicated that it is the base difficulty and everything above it is extra and those extra difficulties shouldn't give higher ilvl, they should give you an extra gem socket here and there, better looking gear and better looking or exlcusive mounts, achievements and such. This solves the power creep and makes it so that most players know that 10 man normal is what they are supposed to play.
@@markomancikas Cata is a better WotLK in every single way, except it doesn't have a raid tier in 4.1 and LFR is NOT a proper replacement for WotLK's 10 Man Normal raid difficulty. Cata brought the dungeon and raid depth and complexity to a new level, had the best PVP until SL or even DF, best class design until SL and DF, 1-60 revamp was great(I thought I'd hate it back in the day, but after playing it I loved it), had great expansion leveling zones, it had the Molten Front, all the systems from Wrath were polished and improved - tabard reputation was nicer to do and the rewards were better and justice/valor is better than badges and so on. It added void storage and reforging. Cata also had full dungeon tiers, we had a dungeon tier for every raid tier, which is awesome and much better than just increasing the ilvl of the existing dungeons.
The gdkp only mindset and all the gold buying/botting + the wow token made this game a raid logging simulator. I had fun clearing all ulduar hardmodes and quit when toc was released. Did not really care for that raid after clearing it on the ptr. Not planning to come back for icc. I am looking forward for a new som or classic + ( COPIUM ) :P
I started playing WotLK 2 month before they annunce the wow token, I could'n find a guild that do regular raid, all was GDKP. I stopped playing when they annunce the wow token.
The problem is monetization, lack of rule enforcement, and the expansion model itself. It sounds like they intend to do something about that last point, at least on the main game.
So many people are playing. Just because people aren’t streaming it doesn’t mean it’s “forgotten”. People are just enjoying the game rather then focusing on content. think this is the ONLY topic I haven’t agreed with you on! Love you and your content!
@@stevejeffrey11 pretty much, but if you check numbers WotLK has by far more players than classic era and HC combined. Even if you assume people have more characters to raid with in WotLK, log numbers are about 10 times bigger than in classic era.
@@JPJgamer wotlk is such a better game than vanilla with proper working talent trees, dual spec, viable specs in pvp/pve etc i was just saying streamers do whatever is popular to capitalize on trends $$
Ye streamers think game is dead cuz they only get 50 spectators It's just nobody cares of watching wotlk streams, playing the game by yourself is a better way to spend your time 😂 But partially he's right, the main issue is that players just care only of logs, the amount of people interested in doing achievs/pvp is pretty low
Well between not having lfd, splitting up dungeons difficulties to the point getting a tank and healer sucks so much more now, and that damn token addition made the game just not classic anymore. Honestly if you want decent wotlk experience go to Warmane sadly.
@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 I just love to create new tanks characters and level them up through lfd and make another so I can experience all of the old dungeons again easily. Call me lazy but that is what I enjoyed and retail doesn't have the feel to play tools like classic to wotlk has.
I played wotlk back in the day. When i played wotll classic, i got to lvl 73 and quit. I dawned on me I didn't want to do something I did 10 years ago again. It was a great experience and loved it, but its better left as a childhood memory.
Same here with me. I got to 80 and realized the absolute hair pulling experience it would be to get to the point of where I could raid. But the reality of having to sit there and spend hours to form dungeons groups really hit me hard when I got there. Or having to relevel professions again was just prohibitive. If they had put LFD in the game from the beginning it might have been different. My computer also crapped out and I was a month late getting started and by the time I did they were already checking gearscore and asking for achievements to get invites. The game is only for hardcore elites that have nothing but time on their hands. Not for people like me that don't have time to sit in trade chat and try to form groups.
@@straighttalkwithkyle7947 agreed, I had all the time as a kid, but not so much as an adult now. It baffles me how people have time to play Classic hardcore.
@@collincorbell I was in my mid 20's, I had just finished school and was working on the weekend nights only about 20 hours a week while looking for full time work when I started playing in Wrath. The next year I didn't have time to do the same thing even then. When I got a full time job my playstyle had to change. If it wasn't for LFD I would have quit altogether. When I got the job. I was already in full t10 gear and my brother and I pugged an ICC 25 man for three hours everyone Sunday that always got 7 bosses in three hours down to keep progressing. I got my Lich King kill the night before Cata's prepatch when my guild had saved run and needed me to fill in. What was fun then feel's like work now. For a busy casual Dragonflight is so much more fun for me. I have 9 classes at max level all with current tier 4 piece sets because it's so easy to catch up. You don't have to be elite to feel like you're progressing and getting better. I have fun on my alts but if I have the opportunity to do something more difficult I hop over to my main which is ready to go do to the gearing system and can absolutely shred dps like I always have without having to be super hardcore. Am I maxing out like I was back in Wrath? No, I was the highest geared Ret paladin on my server at the end of Wrath, but it's just not sustainable. I think that's why a lot of players have learned to monetize their gameplay just to be able to keep up that style of play. And I have never understood the people chasing world first's. I just assumed it was a bunch of trust fund babies with some of the best hand eye coordination on the planet who can afford to do that stuff.
@@straighttalkwithkyle7947 in wotlk you absolutely need to have a guild if you're not into pvp. Since I have one I haven't had any pressure to get gear, but with alts I can feel the issue. Every alt I've levelled just hits 80 and goes to garbage. Until we get LFG of course, which is so funny to me that THE system which people blamed WoW's problems on the most before Classic will be the savior for many people. Not gonna bother trying to find regular hc dungeon groups for 2k gs characters before LFG comes out.
Wotlk has always been the most over-rated wow expansion. Add to the fact that everything is *known* about the expansion, you can't really relive the nostalgia.
Why WOTLK blows? 1). Took too long to release all the content, instead of making all the content available at start and making it all relevant at the start (upscaling naxx gear to 245 ilvl, ulduar to 258 along with TOC/TOGC at 245/258) and making all content relevant for gearing and raiding. Nope, content drought. Over a year since release and still no ICC, fos/pos/hor, or ruby sanctum. 2). Nobody gives a fuck about gearing before icc/rs release, as shown on private servers. Fos/pos/hor give 232 ilvl gear, and boe's + fos/pos/hor make you easily able to clear icc10/toc25 with any level of idiots, let alone TOGC/Buff ulduar25/etc. ICC25 is already being farmed on heroic. 3). No RDF for a year, forcing us to use their dumbass group finder. 4). Extra "Classic" bullshit, instead of a vanilla wrath feel. Easier to earn items: Valanyr "oh look 10 shards a raid yay", shadowmourne "oh look i got shadowmourne in 5 weeks :D", "oh look I did ulduar 25 so now I have 258 items and my valanyr is 258 ilvl, whilst Heroic LK drops 284, making my bis healing weapon that was giga-easy to earn even more overpowered, and not even close to compareable to an LOD weapon". 5). Due to "Classic" and their changes, they diminished people's interests in wotlk. Icecrown on warmane went from 3 servers at 12,000 people, down to not even one over 8000 during innitial wrath release, back up to 12,000 + many others. People want vanilla wrath. Private servers can, have, and will continue to deliver vanilla WOTLK instead of "Classic" which is just a pale immitation of what wrath of the lich king actually was. Anyways what the hell is the point of doing ICC25 heroic when all 5 of your healers and even your caster dps have an overpowered and buffed 258 item level valanyr? Most guilds/raids only had 1 when progressing ICC25 and it was beyond OP, now it's even stronger and you have all your healers using it AND your dps using it. It's so fucking hard to die in any raid at all at this point, when healers are so strong. Stand in the fire? Oh no what ever shall I do except help my healers score even more heals due to infinite overhealing and shielding. Vanilla wrath with 30% buff in icc is harder > Classic wrath without 30% buff.
It really is quite simple. I played a lot of Classic WoW. I loved every bit of it. I even found a community and a guild that didn't scoff at me when I showed up with no world buffs, or when I showed no interest in raid logging. I was looking forward to playing TBC, but didn't - because level boosts was introduced and I could see the writing on the wall. So when they finally dropped the WoW token on WotLK classic, I wasn't the least surprised. You could see it from a mile away. The magic is gone. Blizzard betrayed the Classic format.
We thought that Cata was the downfall of Retail, but getting to experience it again showed that it started with Wrath. Wrath has the same Single Player, play patch to patch feel that Retail has. There's a reason Classic and HC started booming with Ulduar and TOGC
I disagree. I loved wrath most of all, but this time around, we've been really left out to die. Blizzard has not shown any level of care for the wrath classic community. Classic in general, we've just been neglected. With gold farming bots not being banned, RMT, GDKPs, wow token, store mount, level boosts. This just doesn't feel like classic
Huh? WOTLK play is the exact same as TBC and Vanilla, like hell Vanilla was Raid log to the EXTREME compared to TBC and wotlk. Couldnt even play your fucking main until the chronoboon or w/e its called came out... so you HAD to alt, but if people didnt sweat WBs it would of been just as raid loggy. The ONLY reason alting became so heavily popular in the vast majority of players is because of WB meta and the massive rise of GDKP runs. like FFS majority of people bought gold or did GDKPS then paid to get mage boosted in dungeons, they didnt even level legit. How are we only like 4 years out of Classic and people ALREADY are nostalgia goggling Classic and forgetting all the BS, min maxing shit that contradicted the whole spirit of Classic wow in the first place. I dont get it.
This isn’t even remotely true lmao. HC was completely dead during togc until the official servers came out. And classic era servers are dead outside of one which only Had a few thousand players anyway. People just are coping and seething they wrath, just like tbc, has more active weekly raiders than blizzard main game of garbage retail. Cope and seethe shitters. I also find it hilarious how you call wrath more of a single player game than vanilla, a game where people literally logged on to get world buffs then logged off til Tuesday.
Lore wise I love mists and legion the most Gameplay wise, druid and warlock were at their peak in Mists. Legion made a lot of classes fun again after Warlords. The whole story around the artifact weapons was amazing.
My headcannon as to why the DK's leave the lich king is that the ground they stand on is sacred, so it weakened the lich kings influence enough for the DK's to break free.
yea since vanilla light's hope chapel was hinted as having some supepr natural aura and holy feature attributed to it. I think in legion the reason was revealed but idr I never finished it as priest
Arthas never kills you because you weren't that much of a threat to begin with. He was screwing around with you in the final boss fight. He betrayed the death knight so they can join the enemy and some of his old lieutenants spy on the other factions even make plans.
I think for me it was that i had done wotlk so many times already in priv servers and honestly also the mentality in retail wotlk of GDKP's and p2w being the norm really muddered it down. Oh also wow token yeah that just nailed the the last one in the coffin
bro it's still big af what you talking about? Horde side of Faerlina is popping, ppl all over the place leveling alts, new mains, new players everywhere. Same with classic era is crazy high pop now, more than HC classic.
i was looking forward for TBC the most, but i stopped shortly after t5 content was released, havent come back yet, i realized i enjoyed the classic vanilla gameplay the most, after 20 years of playing wow i realized that i hate challenging raiding that requires lot of preparation and time wasting and i never was a pvp player (but i did enjoy pvp in classic a lot, if the consumables werent so strong), i enjoyed wotlk on retail and even after all those years, the thought of doing tournament dailies again are making me shiver, yet i wouldnt mind grinding timbermaw rep again lol, you can play vanilla casually whenever you want and clear aboslute most of the content... i liked that
Launch was really anti-climatic. The gap between try-hards and casuals is just too massive, and reminded me why I quit retail. No one wants to farm unnecessary pre-bis for easy raids just because no one wants to learn mechanics, and the try-hards are too busy making millions of gold to care about anything else. WoW has always needed one thing: any easy way for good players to play casually without forcing them into solo-play. The only satisfying content blizzard made for us was Mage Tower? The entire rest of the game is irrelevant for most of their potential player-base. No one wants to play an MMO for animal crossing gameplay, nor for super-tryhard second-job raid nights. Most people got into MMOs just to chill with other people in low-stress environments and kick ass. WotLK reminded me and so many other people how antiquated blizzard's MMO design really is, and the WoW token was the nail in the coffin.
15 mins and not a word about adding the fking WoW token...and I am very Very tired having to explain to ppl why it was a bad move. Plus what it does to the game's economy. I mean look at Retail's economy, all good right? Not in the slighest. I thought them adding lvl boost and making it possible to make a new DK on a fresh account was bad enough, and then came the token. So much for their BS during Blizzcon announcing classic in 2019 "we want to reproduce the same authentic game as it were then" pff. I had over 60k gold, not a single copper from buying gold, did not even use TsM or Auctionner addon. All farmed the oldschool way since TBC days...now a cpl of credit card swipes, done. Them added the token was my final straw cpl of months back.
@@smolpener7430 But it is... Lots of people moved to HC. I have friends that play both retail and classic, and with the HC release and we waiting for next patch of DF, they went to HC for a while. Also there are people in regular classic. That is the issue with having so many versions. And people still asking for classic plus rofl.
@@josejuanandrade4439 I think Classic+ would be a continuation of classic, or from WoTLK would be my preference, just ditch Cata and start fresh with a new expansion, personally I'd love to go straight to Lordaeron after Northrend and have a full expansion of proper ally vs horde to retake the Undercity and rebuild Lordaeron, but from what I have seen personally there's heaps of people playing WoTLK classic, sadly alot of those players are the min/max gdkp type
I just got back into wrath a few weeks ago and it is so much fun. The 50% xp boost is awesome and makes alt leveling a LOT better. The raids are just challenging enough where I can talk and laugh with my friends while we pull but the bosses can still kill you. Everything about it is chill other than the token lol
I restarted about a week ago, hit level 80, nearly got 5k gs now, it takes forever to find a group for just about anything as dps and I've never found it so difficult to get into a guild, everyone wants unreasonable gs and experienced players that have already run all of the content, i'm just considering going purely to HC now but it sucks there aren't any OCE servers
I can tell you what happened, it's easy actually. 2023 happened. Gaming has reached a new peak and no one got time to talk about WoW with all the other banger games to play this year. Also covid is over and with so many new great games to play other than WoW, investing their time in an ancient old game does not sound very tempting at least it doesn't in 2023.
Yeah. WC2 DKs were a completely different type of creature than DKs created by the Lich King. The ones from DK2 were the souls of dead warlocks being channeled into a human corpse through a rune blade (can't remember the exact name of the weapon). They didn't have the original soul of the body being inhabited nor were they typical undeath magic.
The release date killed my excitement. I was all set with multiple alts to min/max my way to ICC…only to drop classic to wait for Dragonflight. And now that Dragonflight is cooling down and ICC is about to release? I can’t be bothered to catch up.
From a more casual player perspective, who isn't as tuned in into issues like the WoW Token, bots, etc., I think the Ulduar to ToGC content drought was the main thing that tanked my interest. There's not a ton to do outside of raiding, and Ulduar being extended turned out for me to be more of a slog, especially considering it's followed by a fairly boring raid (ToGC) that is only an hour long for most guilds. Basically, after 2 months of Ulduar, there was nothing interesting in the game until ICC. That's like 7+ months of nothing going on.
TotGC is the worst raid in WoW's history, considering it's a wrath raid and not a vanilla one. And the complaints are the same as back in the day it seems. People were complaining that raids, dungeons and PVP is all there was in WoW until the Molten front. And Raids in wrath got too hard for casual players. Same with heroic dungeons, which were easier than TBC heroics, but many people struggled with them still.
7:06 - also dont forget wintergrasp was an attempt at them avoiding lawsuit from advertising "Mounted combat" and having to throw in something - idk how accurate they are but ive heard rumors that OG WG was never meant to have controllable vehicles and was meant to be summons that slowly went up to a gate like an OW push map.
What happened is that they thought Wotlk was the best expansion and that was only true because most people started back then, so the Nostalgia factor comes up and that's they all care about. Peple are being dominated by nostalgia and their opinions don't have an actual argument that's not related to how they used to play with their friends back then.
I don't think so. It probably didn't help, but I think it's good they at least acknowledged the fact that so many people hated it back in the day. People hated it so much that they even pointed towards RDF where the downfall of WoW started to happen. Now afterwards it wasn't only that, it was also the sugarcoating of combat when leveling and the faceroll in dungeons and raids etc which led to the beginning of the end. But that's harder to remove or change because that is core gameplay. RDF can just be removed and they tried to see what would happen. So it didn't work, but I happy they acknowledged the fact that a lot of people liked Wotlk because of its setting, but the systems in that expansion already started to has its negative effects on the game itself. And I commend them for it.
That and not combating bots/gdkps/rmt. The barrier to entry is either swiping a card for gold or spending half the day farming for gold. The self centred community requiring gearscores higher than the content even drops gear for doesn’t help either
I don't know what you're talking about. Whenever I log in Dalaran is packed with people on multiple layers. The population is very healthy I think (apart from the one faction only server divide, that's a shame). Everyone in my guild is super hyped for icc release next week. I mean yeah sure, the content creators aren't really playing it atm, but that doesn't mean those of us who are playing the crap out of it aren't having a great time. There are certainly issues, gold buyers completely screwed the gdkp economy, and the wow tokens aren't helping that despite what Blizzard says. But overall it still is hella fun reliving the WotLK experience for a lot of us.
Issue is that gdkp's are too vast that it's impossible to raid because if you just started the game, the only way to get into a raid that will clear content is practically buy 200k gold to permission to join a raid. Also makes it harder for alts to raid as well. Guilds just can't get enough people because the raiding scene is over-saturated with gdkp groups (most of which are shit) and therefore ruins the end game. And don't even get me started on what the quality of a gdkp player is, it's usually astonishly low.
If I recall Tirion says the lich King's power was diminished on the holy ground. So one would believe his control over the undead also waned similar to Nerzhul while Arthas wasn't bound to him
The reason I've never even tried wrath is simply because it takes too long to get to it. I don't want to replay vanilla/bc again, because I refuse to transfer chars from vanilla, or to pay booster service. It would be so good if every new char started lvl70 in capital, ready to jorney into northrend right from the getgo.
I enjoyed WotLK retail far more than the Classic version. It is nice seeing newer people play the game in this version of classic. What gets me, I am playing it, is the general approach to the content is less fun. There are days where I loathe the Mid Max, Parsing, and constant obsession with Logs. The GS endless drum beat that was part of the late end of Wrath retail is something that has been a barrier to some to raid. When you have to post that you are 4.9k GS to just run the Brewfest Coren dungeon fight, I am not sure what I missed that compels one to do so. It's not like anyone from that GS level or higher needs the trinket that drops. In conclusion, this feels more like current retail with a WotLK Classic wrap.
I feel like everyone who says Wrath was the best expansion just remembers back when WoW was at peak sub count and combines that with nostalgia which equals best expansion in their mind
for me, it felt like, coming home from work, only to log on and go to work again, it didn't feel relaxing at all, it's all about the minmax and numbers, little to no human interaction from the players, and it felt sale, so i stopped mid ulduar
I'd rather play on a server that doesn't allow blatant cheating and botting. Blizzard has shown that they don't care. Private servers are fully capable of hammering out bots and cheaters with a small team.
Naa guys...there're a lot well running pirate servers like warmane, wowcircle with x100, x5 rate (without tokens by the way) and Everyone who wanted to play Woltk had already done it. Why should I pay for this again if I can play it for free any time I like? That's the reason...
WoW token. What makes Classic great is very simple - the community isn’t divided between a bunch of difficulty tiers, and there’s no WoW token or shop. Now that difficulty tiers are about to be introduced with Ice Crown, and there’s a WoW token, the sanctity of the game is destroyed. Particularly because of the latter (the difficulty levels for IC aren’t a big deal, although they’re annoying when it comes to get people on the same page). Now that people who are successful IRL automatically can get a legal leg up in-game by buying gold from Blizzard, the sense of fairness is broken. Once that’s gone, a lot of people leave. People hate the WoW token. No one wants it. We would prefer the damn bots over a WoW token. Wow tokens are a worse issue than farming bots.
How do the numbers look? I feel like Wrath launched pretty big, but through all of the QoL changes, more people got to the point in which they could just raid log. Without additional time being needed between raids, people also found other games and versions of WoW, lowering the overall hype
The primary focus of WoW's player base is on the game's future rather than its past. I'm not referring to you specifically, but many people are trapped in this bubble of Classic Era, HC, and a dash of Wrath. Not knowing that the vast majority of WoW's player base are solely interested in Retail and nothing else.
I loved vanilla and i played it a lot, i played TBC less and i quitted at wolkt. I did exactly the same course for classic. Wolkt is the start of "retail wow".
The class kits, dual spec, barber and achievements. They are great. Even the emblem economy is pretty good. But as a solo player that doesn't want to schedule my leisure time to others, I have no more solo content after getting the alliance factions reputations maxed out... no solo content gives any emblems or orbs. So basically professions is all I can do. Compare that to dire maul E runs as a tankadin in Classic...
And with RDF out now... sure I get to easily run dungeons but it's not the same. I'm not "living in a virtual world" anymore, I'm queueing up for matches in battlefield or gears of war... combine that with the fact that these people are in other servers, I'll never see them again. I can't even force a party with them of my own accord... thats not sharing game space. Thats not an mmo...
I feel like they released both TBC Classic and Wrath Classic too fast. They could have drawn out TBC a bit more, I don't even think it was out for like a year and a half
For me i got burned out because of Gdkp's existing and the average guilds required top 1% of player skill to be in their raid. Basically parsing culture. For the record i parsed mid 70's to low 80's on average for ulduar tier (with hard modes)
I feel like there were various things that lead to less people playing Wrath after some time : (1.) Ulduar , (2.) The hardcore community developing in Vanilla Classic, (3.) Blizzard introducing the wow token to Wrath, (4.) The possibility of Blizzard making Classic Catalysm (which at that point its no longer classic...just a earlier version of Retail), and (5.) just people being burnt out from wow and looking at other options like FFXIV, Baldur's Gate 3, and other games.
Im sad to say the servers feel dead. I tried to queue for battlegrounds the entire weekend on a med pop server and never got a single game. I was in queue continuously for 4 hrs and not a single game. Its sad, I didnt get to play until late and nothing is quite as depressing as logging in on weekend and seeing your faction capital nearly empty
As an OG wow player i picked up BC when i was 10. I played all the way up to MOP and quit because of how the direction of the game was moving. Since leaving i grew up, moved on, enjoyed many other hobbies but wow always left a void inside me no other game,MMO, or other hobby could fill. WOW was a huge part of my life growong up if not MY life. I recently came back to wrath classic because of a co worker. Normally when i try to play nostalgic games they just dont have the same impact that i remebered them having. Getting back into WOW classic has been the best thing ive done in years as far as gaming goes. My only regret is i didnt do it sooner. Every aspect of being back in Azeroth has given me happiness, memories and pure joy. It may have problems, but its sure as hell scratched the itch that no other game including other MMOS just havent touched. I hope there are many others out there like me just enjoying the fact classic wow is a thing. It truly brings back some of the best memories i had growing up. I hope i can create new ones with this journey.
IMO, wotlk has the iconic villain, the Lich king, but wotlk is just about as retail as it gets in the early days, there’s nothing really to do outside of raid logging and/or pvp
I didn´t even care about Wrath, maybe ICC, but I´m back just for Cata. Wrath happens to be okay for me and is in the way in front of the expansion I want to play on.
Most of the enjoyment for wrath was killed by shadowlands plot.And the fact that Arthas was turned in a blue ball of cum , and also bolvar that was hyped and foreshadowed as a mastermind of something in legion then BFA just became a training dummy for sylvanas lol. Its the same effect as the last season of Game of thrones had on me , back before the 8th season I used to rewatch GOT once a year or even twice , since the end of season 8 I didn't even try to watch the prequel cause it does not matter cause of how shitty it ended. P.S and also just IMHO TBC class gameplay was somehow more enjoyable than wrath , TBC gameplay was several heads higher than vanilla but not as complex as wrath witch for me made it more enjoyable , and most of the friends I play with agree that TBC was better and they kinda want to go back to tbc but with some class changes :D
@NixxiomOnUA-cam, do you feel like Activision Blizzard is honestly doing a social experiment? I feel like thats what they are doing and are seeing to contrast numbers.
Cata 4.0.6 is when WoW's sub count peaked in numbers, players started leaving during 3.2, but more people were coming that leaving so nobody on the side noticed. You can thank Trial of the Crusader for that and the fact that raids got too hard for many people, while also having nothing else but PVP and dungeons to do at max level and even the easier than TBC Heroic dungeons were hard for many people. I like Wrath Naxx, but I understand why people don't.
From a pure gameplay perspective, I prefer current (Dragonflight), but the nostalgia for Wrath is real. I didn't start leveling there until a few weeks back, but once I landed in Valgarde and the music from Howling Fjord kicked in, I was back in 2008. Levelling to 80 was nothing but one huge trip down memory-lane, but I enjoyed every second of it. Sure, I can level through WotLK-zone in current WoW as well, but it's just not the same. Zoning into Dalaran and seeing so many players running around really, really fills me with joy and warmth.
I'd love to play wrath IF: - there was no wow token - there was no level boost - gdkp wasn't dominating the pug scene & promotes wow token - there weren't so many bots even in arena Why would i play a highly inferior version of the original Wrath riddled with problems, many caused by blizz themselves? I'd rather play Classic era which has way less issues and a way more friendly/inviting playerbase at any point in the game in my exp.
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They are planning on phasing out classics is why.
I gave up on Classic :(. @Nixiom have you ever done anything in Allods Online?
Have you done any research about Wotlk Classic before making this video? 60% of the video is you bashing OG Wrath for stupid reasons and the other 40% is a bit about Blizzard and some random b******t just to make it 14min. Wotlk Classic is maybe forgotten but not Wotlk, learn the difference TBC fanboy.
for me it was the fact blizzard was so woke you cant put king into a char name in a xpac called wrath of the litch king.... because king is too offensive lol but you can put queen in your name. lol that alone kinda ruined wrath classic for me :/ even tho i was super excited at first to play it also the fact that the community in classic wrath IS AND WAS nothing like the original community. its has shown me that the real reason wow is dead today is not wow its self but its shit community today in compairison to back then ..... but yea when you ruin immersion to be more *woke* and sensitive. It ruins the experience. that also does not help. idk i dont think wow has ever been really that good. What made the game sooooo damn fucking good was not the game but the community itself. somthing that just is not the same and probably neverrrrr will be :/ i mean wow its self was a culture at one point in time :/
also does not help ascension always steals me back from games anymore lolol
another content creator video with push and pull tecnique. guys you all didnt figured out. that every succesfull ccreator does this with every single game ...since the new yt algorythm idk since 10years? this game is fckkkk awesome . new game gets out thiiiis game is deaaaaaaaad. nobody carrrrrres. this game is the new 20y old playable game. this game iiiis dead allllll the time. guys you dont need nixxiom. go and log in into wrath. start dungeonfinder gamma : EVEN AS DAMAGEDEALER you find in max 4min a group middle in the night. on prime time in 1-2min. this is NUTS this is overpopulation. 2min que time as dd? ....yeah sure dead.....*sarcasm* guyssss its me nixiom blizzard or my managers dont pay me to bring this video out because cataclysm is coming and there are NO WOTLK ERA REALMS...no no no toootally not guys...im a honest person. trust me. no need to be sad that we are getting in 2-3years to Shadowlands classic. because ...wrath is kinda weird guys as i sayed !!! *sarcasm off*
guys one tipp. compare old videos about same topic from big tech youtubers and compare it to game releases and also see that theyre all syncrhon saying always the same things. just enjoy what u play and stop listening to this liars.
The Token is what happened
Anyone who thinks that is just wrong. Wotlk was already struggling before Naxx ended. Pretty much all the fresh servers that were completely filled and consistently had multiple hour queues were completely empty before Ulduar even released. The token was the result of wotlk losing players, not the cause.
Nobody wants to admit that wotlk, and classic in general, just isn't the game that people remember it to be. People want new things, and wotlk wasn't new. There's a good reason that HC is doing so well, and it's because it makes the game feel completely different.
For whatever reason, when recording this little rant last night (you can probably tell none of this was scripted), I never even thought about the Token, the bots, etc. 100% agree. Now that I think about it, the moment that they announced the Token for WotLK I stopped playing entirely. That, combined with the lack of attention the bots were getting as they overran servers; that didn't help either. A shame though! Maybe we'll get another shot at a proper WotLK experience some time in the future. Classic Classic WotLK when?
I guess thats a part of it but imo wrath feels meh, granted i didnt play it back in the day so I dont care, only got to lvl 77 before giving up on the tiring questing hubs.
Im back in classic era though almost 60 ready to raid mc again😂
Yup that's why I quit
Surely it's not the reality of the limited and mediocre amount of content. Everyone quit because of the way people can pay for the subscription.
I can't believe you didn't mention the WoW Token being put into Wrath, completely betraying the classic community
Wrath was a really good expansion in 2008. It was ahead of its time in terms of gameplay. A lot has changed though.
This has nothing to do game mechanics but everything with bots and WoW Token.
Yea, a lot has changed. like Blizzard employees and leadership. It stinks of their incompetence and lack knowledge about Wotlk. Letting Wotlk untouched with stupid changes would have been a better decision than what they have done until now. People will just return to private servers when Wotlk classic ends, like Warmane.
Well then why is classic popping off right now if times have changed? Era and hardcore seem to be doing way better than wrath right now and it came out 4 years before.
@@ambridge6645 Who's fault is that? Join a guild. Problem solved. I've never interacted with a GDKP. The fact people complain about the game and do nothing to fix the problem they themselves put me in really tells me a lot - that you're either really lazy or really hard to get on with and thus no guild will have you. And the bar is so low!
It was the fully manifestation of the endgame conveyor belt to hamster wheel forever model. After another 15 of other expansions doing that, especially legion and onwards, WotLK seems like a fuckin joke by comparison and only holds up because of nostalgia and level of relevance to wow’s lore.
This is my personal experience but I believe there maybe a lot of people like me, but I think huge amount of playerbase actually started with Wrath, it was peak of WoW's popularity after all, and if you did start with Wrath, Classic and TBC are completely new experiences for you that you missed out on and get to properly experience, while Wrath is just a repeat. And not to mention, WotLK private servers are much more popular for some reason, so that's another chunk of community that already played through the expansion
They are popular because you don't have to PVE for PVP gear.
I went hard when it launched and slowly it dawned on me that things could just never be the same. What once was will never be again, and I was just fruitlessly chasing nostalgia. Then Baldur's Gate III came out.
I had the same experience. I was really enjoying the launch, but as time went on, I realized that something was missing. The game hadn't changed, but I had. I'm just much older now. And the longer I was continuing to play, the more I felt like I was tainting those beautiful memories I cherished playing WOTLK as a kid.
@@lilpuddin1560 i opened this video to give me a reason to play maybe, but after seeing this comment. I feel the absolute same way I just dont want to accept the fact im done with a game ive been so attached to.
first patch is fucking bad and gearing feels like shit too thats why i quit
It's not the same because most of us didn't kill the Lich king in Heroic for example. not even in Normal.. it was HARD yes for casuals.. I went there again in Wotlk Classic+ and I know everything almost ez pz fight looked like a tank and spank because it's an outdated content and everyone knows what's up...
As an old fart who considers OG wrath as the pinnacle of fun in my WoW lifetime here are my main reasons for not touching classic wrath.
1. Time commitment - when I played wrath I was a teenager and had near unlimited free time with not many real responsibilities. Classic, even classic wrath, requires a lot of time investment to do anything meaningful or fun and that’s time I simply don’t have currently.
2. Modern Gaming culture - sure we had GS back in the day, but that was a drop in the ocean compared to how hyper analyzed and meta driven current gaming is. That level of hyper utilization makes things less fun imo. Also as a secondary to that gaming culture is a lot less fun and free than it used to be. Everyone is silent, shitty, or a troll now. Everyone is trying to get one over on everyone else and isn’t interested in genuinely helping a part of the virtual world they inhabit be better.
3. Blizzard - I lost interest in classic the second they added level boosts. They’ve commodified everything and it just sucks the fun out of the game. It promotes bots which ruin the market which in turn hyper inflates gold costs which leads to my point 1 and 2. I don’t have the time to dedicate to farming the gold id need and other players do or will buy bot gold or a token to gain advantage leaving me with the options of not being able to afford shit or spending real life money just to try and maybe enjoy a game I already pay for. Isn’t a solid trade imo.
Yeah, I agree man. I personally do have time to raid, but I just dont really have any desire to. It was fun back in the day, like what loot the bosses gonna drop, what mechanics they gonna have, there was so much interest and wonder in world. Now every single thing is made into a guide, database etc. Every1 wants to clear raid as fast as possible with most FOM spec and class. Even back in TBC I didnt raid not only because I didnt have time, but because I wanted to play a rogue and nobody needed rogues in raids. Also boosts is a major downside of that, GDKP raids, where people literally buy gold to buy items so made game p2w. Even the token that was added. But I play this game out of nostalgia from time to time and I wish we had Wrath Era servers so you can play them for a long time. I enjoy leveling alts, doing fishing dailies and hunting mounts etc. It just became less social for me and more like a single player game.
Unfortunately, #3 is intended to be part of the solution to #1.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on #2. I’d love to play realms where logging and addons are disabled. This applies to retail too.
2 and 3 are the most relevant, 1 i don't really agree since it only applies to raid and i can do pvp no problem. 2. is especially the deal breaker since everyone thinks they are super hardcore and only want meta player when every class and spec can clear most content easily, even in wrath.
Also classic hardcore is a better game than wrath since it solve all point due to it's focus on leveling and easy raids (expect nax), yes even point 1 since there is no rush to 60 and you will probably die anyway so it's just a focus on taking your time and have an adventure.
No farming and megaservers with only 1 faction completely destroy the spirit of the game. Then they added the wow token which devalues every single form of farming that helps keep servers feeling alive.
If all you're left with is raid logging or searching for the most convenient GDKP, then most people simply stop caring about the game. The feeling of community dies when there's no other reason to log onto the game.
Totally agree. I was so excited to play classic especially tbc when it first came out but what killed it for me is that the people have changed from when I first played.
Back then I met so many cool people and had a lot of great experiences because of the people I met while leveling. Now nobody wants to talk anymore, they just want to be boosted to raid logging content. The culture is just different now and that’s what killed my drive to play.
Cause the game was really fun to play the first time. Not trying to ruin the experience by playing it again as an adult with a career where I cannot possibly replicate the experience.
I will never forget about Wrath of the Lich King!
I was there at Lights hope Chapel.
1) I will play "Classic+" if they do it right. But if they are even thinking of adding level boost and especially wow token, HARD pass! Maybe that's why they charge 50 bucks, hence no token?
2) For the love of God if they add High Elves (BEs) please update the bow animation to newer one. Was a big welcomed change later on. Old animation is aweful. A simple toggle would work.
3) Scarlet Monastery raid. Considering how popular SM dungeons have always been. Fill the empty and unfinished areas with content. Many places on the world map to add more.
4) If they will add housing which was a plan for Vanilla back in the days, don't make it like in WoD. Last thing we need is "empty" servers where people sit in their houses and "farm/craft" all day.
My take is that people realised they dont want any expansions making the old world and the previous expansion(s) irrelevenat. What we all want is the wole world to be relevant we dont need much more than Eastern kingdoms and Kalimdor. Give me one good reason to go to Kalimdor, EK, outland gameplay wise other than getting legacy mounts and stuff like that. If Outland and Northrend would be implemented the Turtle wow way it would be a whole other story.
Depends on the person. For some, this is absolutely true
Numbers prove people disagree with you, as wrath has more active weekly raiders than retail and than vanilla and tbc.
@@cococock2418The amount of people raiding =/= the amount of people playing. A ton of the population playing vanilla are enjoying the leveling content and/or doing hardcore. In retail, there's tons of things to do outside raiding. In WoltK all you have to do at max level is raiding lol.
@@Robzeke I'm learning this the hard way, just got to level 80 as ret pally and I've been grinding AV to get a full pvp set, just to find that there's practically no one doing arena's anymore ;(
I never really minded old content being "Invalidated" as I pretty much just farmed it for mounts/rep for the achievement system. Despite most people raid logging in WOTLKC I was pretty busy collecting cosmetics and did mount runs in ZG/Kara with a friend. I find that people who complain about the old world being irrelevant tend to be altoholics.
Wrath and TBC classic had the same vibe. The start of the expansion was amazing, but it soon became a raid log event where you would log on just to do the raids once a week for a couple of hours.
Tbh, I skipped tbc entirely. Was burned out after Naxx and doing all the world buffs and stuff. But I have played a lot of TBC on private servers over the years and I usually enjoy it better than Wotlk since at least playing alts was a lot of fun to do, considering I enjoy the progression of TBC. Now Wotlk is just a waiting room for Cata, which is my favorite expansion... might be a one of a kind player...
Yup same complaints from back in the day. And the problem is that Wrath raids become too hard for Vanilla players, so they have nothing to do in Wrath. People don't understand that players started leaving WoW in 3.2 way before Cata, it's just that more new players were coming, but you can visibly see the plateau in sub numbers if you don't believe me, I was there, my guildies were leaving, and then the guild went away by Cata.
Though I think 10 man normal is an excellent base difficulty and blizzard should have communicated that it is the base difficulty and everything above it is extra and those extra difficulties shouldn't give higher ilvl, they should give you an extra gem socket here and there, better looking gear and better looking or exlcusive mounts, achievements and such. This solves the power creep and makes it so that most players know that 10 man normal is what they are supposed to play.
@@markomancikas Cata is a better WotLK in every single way, except it doesn't have a raid tier in 4.1 and LFR is NOT a proper replacement for WotLK's 10 Man Normal raid difficulty.
Cata brought the dungeon and raid depth and complexity to a new level, had the best PVP until SL or even DF, best class design until SL and DF, 1-60 revamp was great(I thought I'd hate it back in the day, but after playing it I loved it), had great expansion leveling zones, it had the Molten Front, all the systems from Wrath were polished and improved - tabard reputation was nicer to do and the rewards were better and justice/valor is better than badges and so on. It added void storage and reforging.
Cata also had full dungeon tiers, we had a dungeon tier for every raid tier, which is awesome and much better than just increasing the ilvl of the existing dungeons.
@@ivankovachev8835agree. People only hate cata because of the last phase which, yes was trash.. the rest of it was WoW at its peak.
@@conormaher2283 "Yes was trash", can you elaborate, I don't understand what you mean.
I've played WOTLK on private servers for years. I'm just wrathed out.
It’s like working your ex job, you look back and mainly see the things you loved not the boring parts.
The gdkp only mindset and all the gold buying/botting + the wow token made this game a raid logging simulator. I had fun clearing all ulduar hardmodes and quit when toc was released. Did not really care for that raid after clearing it on the ptr. Not planning to come back for icc. I am looking forward for a new som or classic + ( COPIUM ) :P
I started playing WotLK 2 month before they annunce the wow token, I could'n find a guild that do regular raid, all was GDKP. I stopped playing when they annunce the wow token.
@@Gimli234 There are guilds out there and they are crying out for new members all the time. So your comment puzzles me. Were you on a dead realm?
The problem is monetization, lack of rule enforcement, and the expansion model itself.
It sounds like they intend to do something about that last point, at least on the main game.
So many people are playing. Just because people aren’t streaming it doesn’t mean it’s “forgotten”. People are just enjoying the game rather then focusing on content. think this is the ONLY topic I haven’t agreed with you on!
Love you and your content!
streamers do whatever is trendy or popular for clicks to make $$$ , since HC classic is popular they all jump on that band wagon at the same time
@@stevejeffrey11 pretty much, but if you check numbers WotLK has by far more players than classic era and HC combined. Even if you assume people have more characters to raid with in WotLK, log numbers are about 10 times bigger than in classic era.
@@JPJgamer wotlk is such a better game than vanilla with proper working talent trees, dual spec, viable specs in pvp/pve etc
i was just saying streamers do whatever is popular to capitalize on trends $$
Ye streamers think game is dead cuz they only get 50 spectators
It's just nobody cares of watching wotlk streams, playing the game by yourself is a better way to spend your time 😂
But partially he's right, the main issue is that players just care only of logs, the amount of people interested in doing achievs/pvp is pretty low
Well between not having lfd, splitting up dungeons difficulties to the point getting a tank and healer sucks so much more now, and that damn token addition made the game just not classic anymore. Honestly if you want decent wotlk experience go to Warmane sadly.
This is why I play ESO and single player RPGs and open world games.
@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 I just love to create new tanks characters and level them up through lfd and make another so I can experience all of the old dungeons again easily. Call me lazy but that is what I enjoyed and retail doesn't have the feel to play tools like classic to wotlk has.
Im absolutely fine in wrath right now. Maybe cuz i only do mining and leveling
Token, GDKP, Item Score Gatekeepers.
Cancer of an expansion.
I played wotlk back in the day. When i played wotll classic, i got to lvl 73 and quit. I dawned on me I didn't want to do something I did 10 years ago again. It was a great experience and loved it, but its better left as a childhood memory.
Same here with me. I got to 80 and realized the absolute hair pulling experience it would be to get to the point of where I could raid. But the reality of having to sit there and spend hours to form dungeons groups really hit me hard when I got there. Or having to relevel professions again was just prohibitive. If they had put LFD in the game from the beginning it might have been different. My computer also crapped out and I was a month late getting started and by the time I did they were already checking gearscore and asking for achievements to get invites. The game is only for hardcore elites that have nothing but time on their hands. Not for people like me that don't have time to sit in trade chat and try to form groups.
@@straighttalkwithkyle7947 agreed, I had all the time as a kid, but not so much as an adult now. It baffles me how people have time to play Classic hardcore.
@@collincorbell I was in my mid 20's, I had just finished school and was working on the weekend nights only about 20 hours a week while looking for full time work when I started playing in Wrath. The next year I didn't have time to do the same thing even then. When I got a full time job my playstyle had to change. If it wasn't for LFD I would have quit altogether. When I got the job. I was already in full t10 gear and my brother and I pugged an ICC 25 man for three hours everyone Sunday that always got 7 bosses in three hours down to keep progressing. I got my Lich King kill the night before Cata's prepatch when my guild had saved run and needed me to fill in. What was fun then feel's like work now. For a busy casual Dragonflight is so much more fun for me. I have 9 classes at max level all with current tier 4 piece sets because it's so easy to catch up. You don't have to be elite to feel like you're progressing and getting better. I have fun on my alts but if I have the opportunity to do something more difficult I hop over to my main which is ready to go do to the gearing system and can absolutely shred dps like I always have without having to be super hardcore. Am I maxing out like I was back in Wrath? No, I was the highest geared Ret paladin on my server at the end of Wrath, but it's just not sustainable. I think that's why a lot of players have learned to monetize their gameplay just to be able to keep up that style of play. And I have never understood the people chasing world first's. I just assumed it was a bunch of trust fund babies with some of the best hand eye coordination on the planet who can afford to do that stuff.
@@collincorbellclassic hc u can just log in and do whatever, the end goal isn't raiding for most people, it's how far can u get
@@straighttalkwithkyle7947 in wotlk you absolutely need to have a guild if you're not into pvp. Since I have one I haven't had any pressure to get gear, but with alts I can feel the issue. Every alt I've levelled just hits 80 and goes to garbage. Until we get LFG of course, which is so funny to me that THE system which people blamed WoW's problems on the most before Classic will be the savior for many people. Not gonna bother trying to find regular hc dungeon groups for 2k gs characters before LFG comes out.
Wotlk has always been the most over-rated wow expansion. Add to the fact that everything is *known* about the expansion, you can't really relive the nostalgia.
Why WOTLK blows?
1). Took too long to release all the content, instead of making all the content available at start and making it all relevant at the start (upscaling naxx gear to 245 ilvl, ulduar to 258 along with TOC/TOGC at 245/258) and making all content relevant for gearing and raiding. Nope, content drought. Over a year since release and still no ICC, fos/pos/hor, or ruby sanctum.
2). Nobody gives a fuck about gearing before icc/rs release, as shown on private servers. Fos/pos/hor give 232 ilvl gear, and boe's + fos/pos/hor make you easily able to clear icc10/toc25 with any level of idiots, let alone TOGC/Buff ulduar25/etc. ICC25 is already being farmed on heroic.
3). No RDF for a year, forcing us to use their dumbass group finder.
4). Extra "Classic" bullshit, instead of a vanilla wrath feel. Easier to earn items: Valanyr "oh look 10 shards a raid yay", shadowmourne "oh look i got shadowmourne in 5 weeks :D", "oh look I did ulduar 25 so now I have 258 items and my valanyr is 258 ilvl, whilst Heroic LK drops 284, making my bis healing weapon that was giga-easy to earn even more overpowered, and not even close to compareable to an LOD weapon".
5). Due to "Classic" and their changes, they diminished people's interests in wotlk. Icecrown on warmane went from 3 servers at 12,000 people, down to not even one over 8000 during innitial wrath release, back up to 12,000 + many others. People want vanilla wrath. Private servers can, have, and will continue to deliver vanilla WOTLK instead of "Classic" which is just a pale immitation of what wrath of the lich king actually was.
Anyways what the hell is the point of doing ICC25 heroic when all 5 of your healers and even your caster dps have an overpowered and buffed 258 item level valanyr? Most guilds/raids only had 1 when progressing ICC25 and it was beyond OP, now it's even stronger and you have all your healers using it AND your dps using it. It's so fucking hard to die in any raid at all at this point, when healers are so strong. Stand in the fire? Oh no what ever shall I do except help my healers score even more heals due to infinite overhealing and shielding.
Vanilla wrath with 30% buff in icc is harder > Classic wrath without 30% buff.
It really is quite simple. I played a lot of Classic WoW. I loved every bit of it. I even found a community and a guild that didn't scoff at me when I showed up with no world buffs, or when I showed no interest in raid logging.
I was looking forward to playing TBC, but didn't - because level boosts was introduced and I could see the writing on the wall. So when they finally dropped the WoW token on WotLK classic, I wasn't the least surprised. You could see it from a mile away. The magic is gone. Blizzard betrayed the Classic format.
For me LEGION was best expansion by far miss Illidan so much.
But Wotlk is best experience we had after Vanilla and TBC.
We thought that Cata was the downfall of Retail, but getting to experience it again showed that it started with Wrath. Wrath has the same Single Player, play patch to patch feel that Retail has. There's a reason Classic and HC started booming with Ulduar and TOGC
I disagree. I loved wrath most of all, but this time around, we've been really left out to die. Blizzard has not shown any level of care for the wrath classic community. Classic in general, we've just been neglected. With gold farming bots not being banned, RMT, GDKPs, wow token, store mount, level boosts. This just doesn't feel like classic
classic and hc started booming? do you mean initiate hype like wrath?
Do you want to say that there is only leveling, dungeons and raids in wow and everyone is sooner or later raidlogging til ... legion that brings m+ ?
Huh? WOTLK play is the exact same as TBC and Vanilla, like hell Vanilla was Raid log to the EXTREME compared to TBC and wotlk. Couldnt even play your fucking main until the chronoboon or w/e its called came out... so you HAD to alt, but if people didnt sweat WBs it would of been just as raid loggy.
The ONLY reason alting became so heavily popular in the vast majority of players is because of WB meta and the massive rise of GDKP runs.
like FFS majority of people bought gold or did GDKPS then paid to get mage boosted in dungeons, they didnt even level legit.
How are we only like 4 years out of Classic and people ALREADY are nostalgia goggling Classic and forgetting all the BS, min maxing shit that contradicted the whole spirit of Classic wow in the first place. I dont get it.
This isn’t even remotely true lmao. HC was completely dead during togc until the official servers came out. And classic era servers are dead outside of one which only
Had a few thousand players anyway.
People just are coping and seething they wrath, just like tbc, has more active weekly raiders than blizzard main game of garbage retail. Cope and seethe shitters.
I also find it hilarious how you call wrath more of a single player game than vanilla, a game where people literally logged on to get world buffs then logged off til Tuesday.
Lore wise I love mists and legion the most
Gameplay wise, druid and warlock were at their peak in Mists.
Legion made a lot of classes fun again after Warlords. The whole story around the artifact weapons was amazing.
Legion really did keep me entertained with content right up until the end.
My headcannon as to why the DK's leave the lich king is that the ground they stand on is sacred, so it weakened the lich kings influence enough for the DK's to break free.
yea since vanilla light's hope chapel was hinted as having some supepr natural aura and holy feature attributed to it. I think in legion the reason was revealed but idr I never finished it as priest
@@gokibros4451It’s because of the literal basement full of paladins /s
stay sweaty, gamers @@sninctbur3726
I leveled to 80 when Wrath Classic came out, then I thought, hmm do I really wanna play this exp again? I said no and quit. DF has been fun. 7/10
Arthas never kills you because you weren't that much of a threat to begin with. He was screwing around with you in the final boss fight. He betrayed the death knight so they can join the enemy and some of his old lieutenants spy on the other factions even make plans.
I think for me it was that i had done wotlk so many times already in priv servers and honestly also the mentality in retail wotlk of GDKP's and p2w being the norm really muddered it down. Oh also wow token yeah that just nailed the the last one in the coffin
I was personally most hyped for tbc. Blizz shat the bed there with that stupid dark portal pass.
bro it's still big af what you talking about? Horde side of Faerlina is popping, ppl all over the place leveling alts, new mains, new players everywhere. Same with classic era is crazy high pop now, more than HC classic.
i was looking forward for TBC the most, but i stopped shortly after t5 content was released, havent come back yet, i realized i enjoyed the classic vanilla gameplay the most, after 20 years of playing wow i realized that i hate challenging raiding that requires lot of preparation and time wasting and i never was a pvp player (but i did enjoy pvp in classic a lot, if the consumables werent so strong), i enjoyed wotlk on retail and even after all those years, the thought of doing tournament dailies again are making me shiver, yet i wouldnt mind grinding timbermaw rep again lol, you can play vanilla casually whenever you want and clear aboslute most of the content... i liked that
Wrath of the Lich King ended when Blizzard made it P2W.
Launch was really anti-climatic. The gap between try-hards and casuals is just too massive, and reminded me why I quit retail. No one wants to farm unnecessary pre-bis for easy raids just because no one wants to learn mechanics, and the try-hards are too busy making millions of gold to care about anything else.
WoW has always needed one thing: any easy way for good players to play casually without forcing them into solo-play. The only satisfying content blizzard made for us was Mage Tower? The entire rest of the game is irrelevant for most of their potential player-base. No one wants to play an MMO for animal crossing gameplay, nor for super-tryhard second-job raid nights. Most people got into MMOs just to chill with other people in low-stress environments and kick ass.
WotLK reminded me and so many other people how antiquated blizzard's MMO design really is, and the WoW token was the nail in the coffin.
15 mins and not a word about adding the fking WoW token...and I am very Very tired having to explain to ppl why it was a bad move. Plus what it does to the game's economy. I mean look at Retail's economy, all good right? Not in the slighest. I thought them adding lvl boost and making it possible to make a new DK on a fresh account was bad enough, and then came the token.
So much for their BS during Blizzcon announcing classic in 2019 "we want to reproduce the same authentic game as it were then" pff. I had over 60k gold, not a single copper from buying gold, did not even use TsM or Auctionner addon. All farmed the oldschool way since TBC days...now a cpl of credit card swipes, done. Them added the token was my final straw cpl of months back.
Cancelled my sub when they put the token into wotlk. Botting, gdkp, no batching, all that crap is banned on pservers, better to play there.
Dads ran into yogg phase 1 clouds which were actually portals to vanilla.
I disagree. This expansion was and still feels the best. It's just solid all the way through.
Part of what made WOTLK so amazing was the amount of players that played. Right now, the playerbase is spread too thin with Retail, Hardcore, etc.
Not even a factor.
@@smolpener7430 But it is... Lots of people moved to HC. I have friends that play both retail and classic, and with the HC release and we waiting for next patch of DF, they went to HC for a while. Also there are people in regular classic. That is the issue with having so many versions. And people still asking for classic plus rofl.
@@josejuanandrade4439 I think Classic+ would be a continuation of classic, or from WoTLK would be my preference, just ditch Cata and start fresh with a new expansion, personally I'd love to go straight to Lordaeron after Northrend and have a full expansion of proper ally vs horde to retake the Undercity and rebuild Lordaeron, but from what I have seen personally there's heaps of people playing WoTLK classic, sadly alot of those players are the min/max gdkp type
I tried a bit of Sod and I can't really understand how can players still play on vanilla
Wotlk feels a lot better..
I just got back into wrath a few weeks ago and it is so much fun. The 50% xp boost is awesome and makes alt leveling a LOT better. The raids are just challenging enough where I can talk and laugh with my friends while we pull but the bosses can still kill you. Everything about it is chill other than the token lol
I restarted about a week ago, hit level 80, nearly got 5k gs now, it takes forever to find a group for just about anything as dps and I've never found it so difficult to get into a guild, everyone wants unreasonable gs and experienced players that have already run all of the content, i'm just considering going purely to HC now but it sucks there aren't any OCE servers
thats why cata classic is the way to go, all u mentioned above is enhanced in cata xd
They gave up on Wrath.
You can tell when they released the Token.
I can tell you what happened, it's easy actually.
2023 happened.
Gaming has reached a new peak and no one got time to talk about WoW with all the other banger games to play this year.
Also covid is over and with so many new great games to play other than WoW, investing their time in an ancient old game does not sound very tempting at least it doesn't in 2023.
The Lich King DKs are referred to as knights of the ebon blade not the warcraft 2 DKs who were corrupted nhar zhul warlock knights
Yeah. WC2 DKs were a completely different type of creature than DKs created by the Lich King. The ones from DK2 were the souls of dead warlocks being channeled into a human corpse through a rune blade (can't remember the exact name of the weapon). They didn't have the original soul of the body being inhabited nor were they typical undeath magic.
@@clintmcbride7830 frostmourne and that rune magic was from the "ever frost"
@@trollmctrollington3693 so still different types of creatures
Now that RDF is gonna be out today I'll actually will enjoy WOTLK again.
The release date killed my excitement. I was all set with multiple alts to min/max my way to ICC…only to drop classic to wait for Dragonflight.
And now that Dragonflight is cooling down and ICC is about to release? I can’t be bothered to catch up.
Honestly, I liked Cata better. (Hot take I know) I'm just hoping they either give us some form of Classic+ or they give us Cata.
From a more casual player perspective, who isn't as tuned in into issues like the WoW Token, bots, etc., I think the Ulduar to ToGC content drought was the main thing that tanked my interest. There's not a ton to do outside of raiding, and Ulduar being extended turned out for me to be more of a slog, especially considering it's followed by a fairly boring raid (ToGC) that is only an hour long for most guilds. Basically, after 2 months of Ulduar, there was nothing interesting in the game until ICC. That's like 7+ months of nothing going on.
Absolutely. Also I hear people asking for like 1 year of ICC and they clearly don't know what a long tier means for the game
TotGC is the worst raid in WoW's history, considering it's a wrath raid and not a vanilla one.
And the complaints are the same as back in the day it seems. People were complaining that raids, dungeons and PVP is all there was in WoW until the Molten front. And Raids in wrath got too hard for casual players. Same with heroic dungeons, which were easier than TBC heroics, but many people struggled with them still.
All that and you can add the (toxic min max) community as a whole + gdkp.
@@Kyrrua_ Very true.
Was the same back in the day too. People were board AF
Blizz messed up WOTLK classic with the token.
7:06 - also dont forget wintergrasp was an attempt at them avoiding lawsuit from advertising "Mounted combat" and having to throw in something - idk how accurate they are but ive heard rumors that OG WG was never meant to have controllable vehicles and was meant to be summons that slowly went up to a gate like an OW push map.
Rdf was it for me. I work alot and just cant take time to build relationships with raid and dungeon teams. Plus all the power boosting
what did it for me was the wow token, level boost, and blizz not banning gold sellers/buyers. if those were gone i would have played nonstop
Find good people to do things with and the xpac doesn't matter. WoW is a social game at heart.
What happened is that they thought Wotlk was the best expansion and that was only true because most people started back then, so the Nostalgia factor comes up and that's they all care about. Peple are being dominated by nostalgia and their opinions don't have an actual argument that's not related to how they used to play with their friends back then.
I firmly believe that the Blizz’s stance on “no RDF” hurt Wrath Classic before anything else did.
I don't think so. It probably didn't help, but I think it's good they at least acknowledged the fact that so many people hated it back in the day. People hated it so much that they even pointed towards RDF where the downfall of WoW started to happen. Now afterwards it wasn't only that, it was also the sugarcoating of combat when leveling and the faceroll in dungeons and raids etc which led to the beginning of the end. But that's harder to remove or change because that is core gameplay. RDF can just be removed and they tried to see what would happen. So it didn't work, but I happy they acknowledged the fact that a lot of people liked Wotlk because of its setting, but the systems in that expansion already started to has its negative effects on the game itself. And I commend them for it.
That was why I didn't play it. Wotlk was my favorite.
That and not combating bots/gdkps/rmt. The barrier to entry is either swiping a card for gold or spending half the day farming for gold. The self centred community requiring gearscores higher than the content even drops gear for doesn’t help either
I don't know what you're talking about. Whenever I log in Dalaran is packed with people on multiple layers. The population is very healthy I think (apart from the one faction only server divide, that's a shame). Everyone in my guild is super hyped for icc release next week. I mean yeah sure, the content creators aren't really playing it atm, but that doesn't mean those of us who are playing the crap out of it aren't having a great time. There are certainly issues, gold buyers completely screwed the gdkp economy, and the wow tokens aren't helping that despite what Blizzard says. But overall it still is hella fun reliving the WotLK experience for a lot of us.
Issue is that gdkp's are too vast that it's impossible to raid because if you just started the game, the only way to get into a raid that will clear content is practically buy 200k gold to permission to join a raid. Also makes it harder for alts to raid as well. Guilds just can't get enough people because the raiding scene is over-saturated with gdkp groups (most of which are shit) and therefore ruins the end game. And don't even get me started on what the quality of a gdkp player is, it's usually astonishly low.
If I recall Tirion says the lich King's power was diminished on the holy ground. So one would believe his control over the undead also waned similar to Nerzhul while Arthas wasn't bound to him
The reason I've never even tried wrath is simply because it takes too long to get to it.
I don't want to replay vanilla/bc again, because I refuse to transfer chars from vanilla, or to pay booster service.
It would be so good if every new char started lvl70 in capital, ready to jorney into northrend right from the getgo.
I enjoyed WotLK retail far more than the Classic version. It is nice seeing newer people play the game in this version of classic. What gets me, I am playing it, is the general approach to the content is less fun. There are days where I loathe the Mid Max, Parsing, and constant obsession with Logs. The GS endless drum beat that was part of the late end of Wrath retail is something that has been a barrier to some to raid. When you have to post that you are 4.9k GS to just run the Brewfest Coren dungeon fight, I am not sure what I missed that compels one to do so. It's not like anyone from that GS level or higher needs the trinket that drops. In conclusion, this feels more like current retail with a WotLK Classic wrap.
I feel like everyone who says Wrath was the best expansion just remembers back when WoW was at peak sub count and combines that with nostalgia which equals best expansion in their mind
GDKP and WoW token killed it
People realized how hollow and raid-loggy it is lol
Im pretty sure the hype cycle is normal for any expac. retail or classic
Yeah, it's how it's always been.
for me, it felt like, coming home from work, only to log on and go to work again, it didn't feel relaxing at all, it's all about the minmax and numbers, little to no human interaction from the players, and it felt sale, so i stopped mid ulduar
I'd rather play on a server that doesn't allow blatant cheating and botting. Blizzard has shown that they don't care. Private servers are fully capable of hammering out bots and cheaters with a small team.
I want retail to be good AGAIN. I WANT ALLIANCE VS HORDE
Naa guys...there're a lot well running pirate servers like warmane, wowcircle with x100, x5 rate (without tokens by the way) and Everyone who wanted to play Woltk had already done it. Why should I pay for this again if I can play it for free any time I like? That's the reason...
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My server died when Ulduar came out. I couldn't find one pug group.
Not sure if that was a coincidence or pugs got filtered by the normal difficulty.
Boosts, bots and the Wow Token...
Token killed my interest, its now a pay to win garbage version.
WoW token. What makes Classic great is very simple - the community isn’t divided between a bunch of difficulty tiers, and there’s no WoW token or shop. Now that difficulty tiers are about to be introduced with Ice Crown, and there’s a WoW token, the sanctity of the game is destroyed. Particularly because of the latter (the difficulty levels for IC aren’t a big deal, although they’re annoying when it comes to get people on the same page). Now that people who are successful IRL automatically can get a legal leg up in-game by buying gold from Blizzard, the sense of fairness is broken. Once that’s gone, a lot of people leave. People hate the WoW token. No one wants it. We would prefer the damn bots over a WoW token. Wow tokens are a worse issue than farming bots.
How do the numbers look? I feel like Wrath launched pretty big, but through all of the QoL changes, more people got to the point in which they could just raid log. Without additional time being needed between raids, people also found other games and versions of WoW, lowering the overall hype
The primary focus of WoW's player base is on the game's future rather than its past. I'm not referring to you specifically, but many people are trapped in this bubble of Classic Era, HC, and a dash of Wrath. Not knowing that the vast majority of WoW's player base are solely interested in Retail and nothing else.
The WoW token gott'em
I loved vanilla and i played it a lot, i played TBC less and i quitted at wolkt. I did exactly the same course for classic. Wolkt is the start of "retail wow".
The class kits, dual spec, barber and achievements. They are great. Even the emblem economy is pretty good. But as a solo player that doesn't want to schedule my leisure time to others, I have no more solo content after getting the alliance factions reputations maxed out... no solo content gives any emblems or orbs. So basically professions is all I can do.
Compare that to dire maul E runs as a tankadin in Classic...
And with RDF out now... sure I get to easily run dungeons but it's not the same. I'm not "living in a virtual world" anymore, I'm queueing up for matches in battlefield or gears of war... combine that with the fact that these people are in other servers, I'll never see them again. I can't even force a party with them of my own accord... thats not sharing game space. Thats not an mmo...
I feel like they released both TBC Classic and Wrath Classic too fast. They could have drawn out TBC a bit more, I don't even think it was out for like a year and a half
For me i got burned out because of Gdkp's existing and the average guilds required top 1% of player skill to be in their raid. Basically parsing culture. For the record i parsed mid 70's to low 80's on average for ulduar tier (with hard modes)
I feel like there were various things that lead to less people playing Wrath after some time : (1.) Ulduar , (2.) The hardcore community developing in Vanilla Classic, (3.) Blizzard introducing the wow token to Wrath, (4.) The possibility of Blizzard making Classic Catalysm (which at that point its no longer classic...just a earlier version of Retail), and (5.) just people being burnt out from wow and looking at other options like FFXIV, Baldur's Gate 3, and other games.
100% the Token, there was hype before that announcement and that ended it being "classic" and made it retail
Im sad to say the servers feel dead. I tried to queue for battlegrounds the entire weekend on a med pop server and never got a single game. I was in queue continuously for 4 hrs and not a single game. Its sad, I didnt get to play until late and nothing is quite as depressing as logging in on weekend and seeing your faction capital nearly empty
As an OG wow player i picked up BC when i was 10. I played all the way up to MOP and quit because of how the direction of the game was moving. Since leaving i grew up, moved on, enjoyed many other hobbies but wow always left a void inside me no other game,MMO, or other hobby could fill. WOW was a huge part of my life growong up if not MY life. I recently came back to wrath classic because of a co worker. Normally when i try to play nostalgic games they just dont have the same impact that i remebered them having. Getting back into WOW classic has been the best thing ive done in years as far as gaming goes. My only regret is i didnt do it sooner. Every aspect of being back in Azeroth has given me happiness, memories and pure joy. It may have problems, but its sure as hell scratched the itch that no other game including other MMOS just havent touched. I hope there are many others out there like me just enjoying the fact classic wow is a thing. It truly brings back some of the best memories i had growing up. I hope i can create new ones with this journey.
>me sitting in 7 minute queues on warmane
IMO, wotlk has the iconic villain, the Lich king, but wotlk is just about as retail as it gets in the early days, there’s nothing really to do outside of raid logging and/or pvp
People learned (again) that WotLK got hard halfway and got factchecked into remembering they're shit at the game.
What ruined this for me were the server locks, made me and my friends stop playing instantly. Just in time before the tokens were added.
Classic Wow Token happened
I didn´t even care about Wrath, maybe ICC, but I´m back just for Cata. Wrath happens to be okay for me and is in the way in front of the expansion I want to play on.
Looks like even Nixxion forgot about the most egregious part:
Cross-world dungeon finder + RealID
Philosophically, I blame the Jailer. Or more so the ridiculous storyline that brought us the jailer and bastardized Arthas in the process.
Most of the enjoyment for wrath was killed by shadowlands plot.And the fact that Arthas was turned in a blue ball of cum , and also bolvar that was hyped and foreshadowed as a mastermind of something in legion then BFA just became a training dummy for sylvanas lol. Its the same effect as the last season of Game of thrones had on me , back before the 8th season I used to rewatch GOT once a year or even twice , since the end of season 8 I didn't even try to watch the prequel cause it does not matter cause of how shitty it ended.
P.S and also just IMHO TBC class gameplay was somehow more enjoyable than wrath , TBC gameplay was several heads higher than vanilla but not as complex as wrath witch for me made it more enjoyable , and most of the friends I play with agree that TBC was better and they kinda want to go back to tbc but with some class changes :D
@NixxiomOnUA-cam, do you feel like Activision Blizzard is honestly doing a social experiment? I feel like thats what they are doing and are seeing to contrast numbers.
Cata 4.0.6 is when WoW's sub count peaked in numbers, players started leaving during 3.2, but more people were coming that leaving so nobody on the side noticed. You can thank Trial of the Crusader for that and the fact that raids got too hard for many people, while also having nothing else but PVP and dungeons to do at max level and even the easier than TBC Heroic dungeons were hard for many people.
I like Wrath Naxx, but I understand why people don't.
From a pure gameplay perspective, I prefer current (Dragonflight), but the nostalgia for Wrath is real. I didn't start leveling there until a few weeks back, but once I landed in Valgarde and the music from Howling Fjord kicked in, I was back in 2008. Levelling to 80 was nothing but one huge trip down memory-lane, but I enjoyed every second of it.
Sure, I can level through WotLK-zone in current WoW as well, but it's just not the same. Zoning into Dalaran and seeing so many players running around really, really fills me with joy and warmth.
I'd love to play wrath IF:
- there was no wow token
- there was no level boost
- gdkp wasn't dominating the pug scene & promotes wow token
- there weren't so many bots even in arena
Why would i play a highly inferior version of the original Wrath riddled with problems, many caused by blizz themselves?
I'd rather play Classic era which has way less issues and a way more friendly/inviting playerbase at any point in the game in my exp.
I'm still hyped. but I have so little time to invest. 😢