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@@mcfarvo I did something to my wrist maybe 2 weeks ago, and it's been in a good bit of pain ever since. So I'm not able to do too much deadlifting at the moment. Most of everything that I'm doing is related to just the use of my legs alone. But as it stands now, my deadlift is at 425 lb. You can see the video of me doing it on my Instagram account, Linked In the description.
Whoever decided to cap it at level 25 is honestly an absolute G. Turned it away from some sweaty grind-fest into something that can be savoured and gradually expanded. I doubt I would have returned if it had been straight to 60
This single change made the game so much bigger, since you can now deep explore the low level content, proffesions, gear maxing, and more!@@user-go7mc4ez1d
Yea I think this is the best way to combat the few turbo nerds who level to 60 in less than a week just to grief and gank people. They also end up controlling the market making key reagents like black lotus and devilsaur leather almost impossible to farm
One of many reasons I love it - we actually have time to explore and enjoy these dungeons. Instead of Wailing Caverns being something to do just to get through the leveling, it's an integral part of the game right now.
I was thinking the same thing. So many things are trivialized just by leveling quickly, even in classic. I remember leveling blacksmithing and laughing at the crap that was given to me. Now I see how precious my bracers with +1 spirit are.
WoW SOD is the best thing for people who have never played WoW before. Every expansion should have some thing for new players and something for veterans, WoW has forgotten about new players for 10+ years till now. A game will stop growing if they don’t keep trying to entice new players, which is what Blizzard went through. Veterans have also said WoW feels like a “casual fun victory lap”.
One of my favorite things about Classic WoW is the elite world quests. The ones where you basically need to put together a 5 man group to complete. The elite Redridge quests come to mind, specifically. They're like a mini instance. Love working as a team in WoW.
I think it’s actually an incredibly cohesive community right now. At least on Lone Wolf. There seems to be a lack of generally cancerous behavior. Don’t get me wrong - some people will always be dicks, but SoD feels awesome.
agree, my casual wow homie is around lvl 20 rn, instead of him just needing to hit max to do anything with us we can still dungeon together and something is in it for everybody
For me it's also that we don't have flying. I love that i need to see every zone every part of it every tree. Feels like I'm really there it's immersive and i love it.
One thing I like about sod is that I can tell my friends to play with me and they actually want to instead of having their eyes glaze over when they realize it would be 100 hours before they can be caught up to my main character
I hope they will focus more on 10 man raids. I’m so done with guilds running whole servers and having such power over everyone. The logistics of 40 man raids is such a hassle and loot always feels unfair
New players love it too. Me and 4 friends just got into it and Classic is just so vibey and chill to play with friends. The level cap keeps things at a reasonable pace for all of us too.
I love the much slower pace of it all. Level banding is a really good as you can experience everything at a certain level has to offer. People would be 60 already and hitting molten core if it wasn't for level banding. It adds longevity to the season. I have run more WC, SFK, DM in this season that i have since i started playing in vanilla wow.
The level cap was genius. You get to explore all of the low level areas fully instead of rushing to 60. It also bakes in BiS tiers you can achieve and "beat" that phase.
Genius from a profit perspective yes. The only reason they did it is cause they were in a rush to get the next "new" thing out, and they knew people would quit within a week without this fomo factor, and you guys are eating it up and praising them for it. Mission accomplished blizzard
Amazing video, subscribed. I stopped playing since MoP and coincidentally started playing again, had no idea about SoD. I'm having so much fun! I know it won't last forever so I'm truly grateful that I get to experience WoW at it's best again.
I kinda hope they stick with 10 man content. Maybe I’ve just gotten my fill of large raids, but it’s just logistically a lot easier to do 10 mans. It’s been a nice change
It really feels like rediscovering classic. The level caps are absolutely genius, I am doing content I never did before like going to Shadow Fang Keep as alliance or Wailing Caverns. Going early to ratchet to get my runes, discovering new items, seeing transmorphed mobs in Elwynn Forest and much more. SoD must continue to Classic+ and take the OSRS route imo. This is absolutely brilliant and I am in love with classic all over again
As a very new member of this community and wow world , i can say that i have never experienced something like this before. I did play many many mmorpgs for long times, im a mmorpg veteran but i cannot believe i havent tried wow experience before...
Me! A 18 year old who started this game in mop and only played retail until SoD (Leveled to 16 when classic first came out) Is loving LOVING my experience in SoD im taking it slow enjoying the game and experiencing something entirely new and fun. I have fallen in love with it and i absolutely recommend all retail players to try it out!
I started playing when I was 16, that was back in 2004. I'm going back in at 36, it's insane to think about. So many great memories made from a "video game"
This was a cool listen. You definitely took the words out of our... brains when it comes to the philosophy we went with when concepting Season of Discovery. Thanks sir!
if you read this, im little concerned that youre increasing new overpower items while garbage junk that was garbage even during vanilla is left there, as we will progress to 60, this is becoming more and more aparent, especially in 5man settings, where ppl hunt the one bis item, but the 90% rest of the items are just awfully designed/worthless
@@Quitarstudent I can understand this sentiment but the weird, sub-optimal stat items are important in original wow. They are sometimes interstitial upgrades that aren't perfect or even all that good, but are upgrades in the moment until you get something better. Also, not ALL items that are new are going to be optimzied perfectly, also by design for the same reason. We don't ever really want to get to the point where every item is Main Stat/Stam/secondary/secondary. That model works for other versions of WoW, but that really just is not vanilla. That means there will be oddball items that aren't great, but it'll also make those truly great items even more exciting when you do get them.
@@aggrend tanks for reply, but i dont see how they are important at all.... people will prefer 30lvl item with +9 spell power over item that increases base stats (for example speaking for casters), maybe in vanilla where everything wasnt optimalized and most of the people didnt even know what to look for this was acceptable, im not talking about goofy items, but the number of items is huge but usable are only a few, i simply wish we could have more diversity in op items (like i woudlnt have to farm scholo for a wand, because similar wand drops also in strat or UBRS or something) also i hope that future brings dungeon sets (tier 0, but all t1 t2 tiers) to some reasonable level, especially for casters, they are cool, but useless for most of the classes and its a damm shame (i can imagine some upgrade like youve done with the crafted items now in SoD, that would be cool af)
i love that level cap is 25! makes it to where everyone gets to play around the same pace. makes it feel less like you are being left behind. SOD is fucking godly! im having way to much fun lol
I would add that it's not just the growing in power, but the variety and viability as well. We get to explore new options. I'd say that also has an essence of discovery, especially with lower brackets and new items that give further builds/optimizations to test
2nd comment I'm still level 18 I'm taking my time enjoying the game and I'm a lone player quiet and shy but SOD has made me come out of my shell and socialize
The fact that as horde I have to do Deadmines has something very special, even tho my friends are redacted and always get killed by a crocodile in STV its so much fun to be able to explore something I would have never done without the level cap. Good job blizzard
SoD is freakin great I wasn’t sure about all the added stuff to class’s But wow, this feels good and right added stuff in the clsssic environment keeping it classic Seeing people interact and world PvP in random areas it’s good
One of the biggest wins that I think blizz had with this was choosing to let level 25 the max level at first. I will say that it solves so many problems that classic wow had such as people dropping off early as well as breaking up the grind for every max level, I personally think that levels want to 30 classic wow are some of the best content in mmos hands down however in my personal Journey maybe because I wasn't able to socialize as much but everything between 40 and 60 was just a giant log with 50 to 60 being a genuinely bad experience for me is the only reason why I got to the end being that all of my friends were at max level having fun without me so it felt like if the grouped with me it was a chore for them and if they didn't it was a chore for me with it being completely disheartening to Quest for 2 hours and only have gotten three bars of exp for it at most it genuinely felt like a job that I wasn't getting paid for However with season of discovery it is so easy to enjoy myself as I'm playing the fun parts of the game and when I tell my friends that they can play with me if they want they aren't immediately put off by the The Grind or the feeling of Burden because I have to make another character to play with them
This video is SPOT ON. I have played WoW since classic in 2005 with my friends. The Classic versions of WoW always stuck with me as my favorites. SoD is the first game since the first 3 expansions that I have played and really thought "wow" about it. SoD is so good, it may be my new favorite version of Classic. I hope they always keep the first version preserved "flaws and all" but, I absolutely love this version of classic they have given with SoD. Major fun. Keep the good things going Blizzard and dont make major changes that ruin it. Expansion of content can be good, but nothing that overall breaks the mechanics. The difficulty, the progression, teamwork, all of those are great as they are now. I as well do love the way they PUSHED social interaction in this version of wow. The fact to need each other and a team and to need a community to win... YES, LIKE IT OR NOT AT TIMES, THIS IS EXCELLENT. I do not like the lonely single player game aspect of MMO, if I wanted to do that I would just play single player games. I love that I still feel IMPACTFUL too though, so that I know I am also contributing to the success of my group and not just a "small cog" that feels weak.
At one point at launch I played, my wife played, my daughter played, and my wife's mother played. I've never seen any other game capture so many new people from various generations.
One thing i was looking forward to at 25 max are trying different classes and making alts. However a lot of the runes are just such a pain to get there's no way I would do it on an alt.
Truth be told doing the third iteration of the Ashenvale event late night yesterday felt awesome. Now there's negative incentive to afk at final boss - you actually do earn more for doing more. And that's great.
A huge part of it for me is the rolling level cap. The fact that I can take my time makes me feel like I actually stand a chance of keeping up with the community
But CAN we take our time? thats the question. from what ive heard its a 3 month season, wich means 3 weeks 1-25 - 3 weeks 25-40 and so on. this seems designed to run away from u FAST!
Season of Discovery gave me the nostalgia kick AND something fresh to enjoy as an old man. its like taking the best pieces of classic and adding a dash of wrath to it... The perfect balance of something you vaguely remember with something you're comfortable with.
Interesting? I feel as though the QoL stuff are what detracted from the game. And SoD (and classic in general) highlight how much those messed up the experience… like rfd in wotlk…. Completely ruined the community….
@@tainicon4639 For me it's the minor QoL sort of things like area autoloot, or autoupdate spell ranks kinda stuff. It's nice to not have to make sure all your flypoints connect, but it's not a dealbreaker kind of thing.
@@MSinistrari autoloot… yeah I agree. But I think spell ranks and training are such a better system for character fantasy. I need to go back to a city and train and stock up. And I also like the flight paths being earned. Makes the world seem bigger!
I only found out about season of discovery 10 days ago And I just absolutely love that I can easily catch up with everyone and still see the max level content!
I honestly hope they keep cap at 25 for at least 2-3 months. Gives everyone time to raid, to get 25, and to figure out the main they plan to continue playing on till the end. Originally I wasn't gonna resub to WoW just cause of personal reasons.. but seeing how my friends are playing SoD and how much fun they are saying it is. I gave it a go, and am kinda hooked.
I really wish retail would get a complete rework and play more like classic/classic wrath including a prolonged leveling experience (or at least the option) for those of us who like the journey more than the destination. All this shows that people crave the more classic experience than the dull retail version we have.
I might agree but i bet the majority of retail would absolutely hate a slower levelling experience, the core of retail is raiding and m+, open world barely matter besides chores.
What the crates do for professions is brilliant and exactly what we needed. There needed to be a sink to move those items out of the economy and give them an actual value. Would love to see more tight game design like this.
I really like that instead of "rushing to endgame" because that's where the fun is, and by the time I get there, it's too late because I'm too slow.. I can play casually and still get to the "endgame" of this season and experience it well before the next season begins. I like the small goals format. I have something to look forward to.
this wasnt a thing in classic before despite ppl speedrunning it, you could easily go to MC as fresh because those speedrunners were still hunting that 1% droprate item
Blizzard wouldn't change talents because the (your) game loads talents for every character in the game and it's a lot of memory and server stress. Also inventory.
So true! Love the video, and the honesty! I never played original vanilla, and I didnt want to play classic because I played a ton of WotLK private servers, and it all just felt like a downgrade to me. But now, with the friends that I made in classic TBC and classic wrath, I came to SoD, and I love it! I rerolled my main, because its fast, lvl25 allows me to try all the things I want. There is people everywhere, dungeons are easy to find, the new stuff is amazing and I hope blizz make this a long term thing, not just a seasonal server.
The crates are so elegant, my hope is revived in blizzard's developers understanding what makes classic good. Though I kinda wish the metamorph rune didn't have huge camerablocking wings :P
Level cap is a genius idea. It also saddened me how much of the world and levelling content players skip while rushing to max level and now max level is 25 and DM and WC are top instances lol and because of the hidden runes and secrets it makes sense to explore the world. And topped with sh*t ton of new skills, loot, new raid. This is just perfect classic plus formula. They absolutely nailed it, I was 99% sure they wont do smth like that. Obviously some balancing and tweaking required and things like rogue tank or mage heal are questionable but I am enjoying at is back in 2019.
I played classic at its inception and hit 60 in the summer of 05. Loved it back then and played intensely for a few years. Stopped while I was in the latter stages of college but played periodically throughout the years. Started playing SOD a few months ago and fell in love with the game all over again. It has been such a ride getting back up to max lvl and effing kids up who weren’t alive when I first hit 60.
What I love is how challenging it can be pulling 3 mobs and actually almost dying to them if not done right. It’s challenging, but not so challenging where you want to quit the game.
For all the time i put into wow way back in 2006- 2011, i never REALLY played Horde characters and im using SoD to do that. Im exploring the low level zones i never really played before and feeling an entirely new aspect of the game on top of the changes to my favorite class. Im not even 25 yet and im feeling that "addictive" drive to keep playing and exploring meanwhile interacting organically with other players. Its kind of magical
As a completely new player should I play classic season of discovery or classic wrath of the lich king? I kinda wanted Wrath because of the extra content but idk, maybe the original content is more important to complete first. Thoughts?
I thought about trying out Season of Discovery. Sadly I have been stuck on "Detecting Humanity" for the past hour. Strange I have tried on 3 computers and 2 different service addresses, and I just cant seem to make a new Blizzard acccount. I wonder why? Maybe you guys have a problem?
It's been a very long time a game made me play it so much. These days I play most game for an hour maybe 2. I've now had sessions that were 8 hours.. that's rare for me. These deve really knew what they were doing. Sure it's not perfect but it actually feels better then normal classic for me.
Im new to wow and have been having tons of fun is Season of Discovery. The problem Im having right now is that I dont know how to get into the raid or dungeons because I dont know how to find a guild
I entered the cave in Silverpi e Forest to get the Master Channeler rune and a 25 Warlock was inside waiting for low levels to help them kill the elite. Gotta love it.
Not going to search through all the comments. But the rep tied to the boxes is also a huge reason to do them. That unlocks items and runes you can buy.
They need to fix the botting issue and permaban people buying gold, full stop. It’s not too late to take action. Everyone who is playing and wants the game to be fair should be saying this until it gets addressed. The game is fun, no doubt. The new runes/abilities makes the gameplay a lot more fun at low level. Every zone feels alive but I have seen the same bots sitting in the same spots in the Barrens since day 1. But yeah, I’m sure all these Hunters with Chinese pets just enjoy leveling by farming NPCs 24/7. Ban them or I’m not playing for much longer. Demand better.
I think that's the difference that makes Classic a fundamentally different game from retail - from at least Cata onward, the focus has been on content treadmills, ease and convenience rather than things that encourage players grouping up for anything before high-end endgame content. It makes such a massive difference to the leveling experience, and SoD emphasizes that by staggering the level cap.
10:00 ok, the meta rune was 100% bugged. The quest or item that you were supposed to get wasn't working correctly, so there was no way to actually get it. Blizzard was acting all smug as if everyone was dumb, when in reality, they didn't test the shit.
Because Season of Discovery is fixing the flaws of vanilla/classic. The class design is already better than what lvl60 is in vanilla, all specs are valid, the leveling is nicer since it's shorter and it has new quests, and they are adding new content. Now the difficulty of the content is another thing, but that's up to preference.
As someone new to classic wow, and who’s dabbled in retail since Cataclysm, the thing for me is that there is 1. Less total information to learn about SoD than any other version of WoW and 2. There is stuff I can still discover for myself that no one else has. There aren’t any BiS guides for a dual wielding beast mastery hunter in SoD, or for a shaman tank, or anything else really because of all the truly new stuff. I have to actually do the research myself, slowly learning more information and discovering things instead of just looking at a single source of mathematically indisputable information. Instead of “net-decking” I actually get to theory craft and experiment myself for once, and that’s such a great feeling in a game that is supposedly as expansive as WoW is. The easiest thing to do isn’t always the most enjoyable thing. But it’s hard to ignore the easy thing in favor of the difficult but more rewarding thing.
It's been a real blast so far & can't wait for more - first time in a long time on WoW (since I started in OG Wrath) that there feels a real sense of discovery to a familiar yet new world, where the mobs actually seem dangerous and loot feels important. Excited for the future :)
9:52 The warlock meta rune has just been found. Literally Everyone the next day, who's a warock: has the rune. Does ANYONE who plays a warlock NOT have this rune already?
I’m with you on 99% of this, but I love that they’re giving us the option for more solo content in retail. Grouping up to fight an elite or get kill credit for a quest enemy is one thing, but when you’re new to / not great at the game, retail dungeons are super intimidating-not because they’re particularly difficult, but because no one communicates. The whole group will mount up without even saying hi and just sprint through the whole thing because they’ve already done it a dozen or more times. If you don’t know what you’re doing, it’s so easy to get separated or get KO’d from a boss attack you didn’t know about, and then you’re dragging the rest of the group down. Love the social element in classic, but even there, I’m nervous to try anything but dps in a dungeon. And retail doesn’t have anywhere near the same culture of cooperation that classic does. Solo runs will let people try things out and get decent gear without being overwhelmed by the social pressure.
I like that they made the level cap lower to begin with, makes it way less of a time commitment. Since i basically just wanted to check it out and not really grind, it felt super accessible.
Because it is boring just to gain max level and grind, since next expansion it will be obsolete, but im discovery, people work together to find out about runes and location, it is refreshing, it is no longer about max gear or max level but more customization, and indeed like you say, it feels impactful
people always do this, set unbelivable expectations and affirm them in the first week and completely miss that they are looking through rose colored glasses the first weeks. For an example, I think everyone would agree that you cant tell if you love someone until you have been with them for a long time. Setting unreachable expectations on a realtionship is destructive and i personally find that this applies to almost everything.
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Yo, Nixxiom, what's your conventional deadlift at currently?
@@mcfarvo I did something to my wrist maybe 2 weeks ago, and it's been in a good bit of pain ever since. So I'm not able to do too much deadlifting at the moment. Most of everything that I'm doing is related to just the use of my legs alone. But as it stands now, my deadlift is at 425 lb. You can see the video of me doing it on my Instagram account, Linked In the description.
GDKP BFD is something I never expected to see ngl 😂
The level cap is also making a difference. We are playing the lower end dungeons as a core playstyle.
Whoever decided to cap it at level 25 is honestly an absolute G. Turned it away from some sweaty grind-fest into something that can be savoured and gradually expanded. I doubt I would have returned if it had been straight to 60
it caught flack when it was announced but I loved the idea. Clearly it's worked out well. @@user-go7mc4ez1d
That and I don't have to feel in so much of an rush. I'm trying all the classes to see what I like.
This single change made the game so much bigger, since you can now deep explore the low level content, proffesions, gear maxing, and more!@@user-go7mc4ez1d
Yea I think this is the best way to combat the few turbo nerds who level to 60 in less than a week just to grief and gank people. They also end up controlling the market making key reagents like black lotus and devilsaur leather almost impossible to farm
One of many reasons I love it - we actually have time to explore and enjoy these dungeons. Instead of Wailing Caverns being something to do just to get through the leveling, it's an integral part of the game right now.
Yeah I'm busy with my 6 kids and 3 jobs. This is my kinda pace
I was thinking the same thing. So many things are trivialized just by leveling quickly, even in classic. I remember leveling blacksmithing and laughing at the crap that was given to me. Now I see how precious my bracers with +1 spirit are.
This, making us farm places we prolly skiped or didnt give 2 thoughts about
This is so true.the lvl cap as a great idea.also so many people are trying alts and helping each other. Reminds me of the old old days 😂😂
Started since beta wow and to this day I’m still playing. Both retail and SoD. I love this game
I cant stop playing! Im new to classic and I have been neglecting my retail game since launch.... Its awesome to play in a relevant environment.
WoW SOD is the best thing for people who have never played WoW before.
Every expansion should have some thing for new players and something for veterans, WoW has forgotten about new players for 10+ years till now. A game will stop growing if they don’t keep trying to entice new players, which is what Blizzard went through.
Veterans have also said WoW feels like a “casual fun victory lap”.
One of my favorite things about Classic WoW is the elite world quests. The ones where you basically need to put together a 5 man group to complete. The elite Redridge quests come to mind, specifically. They're like a mini instance. Love working as a team in WoW.
Love the small level diff keeping folks together
I think it’s actually an incredibly cohesive community right now. At least on Lone Wolf. There seems to be a lack of generally cancerous behavior. Don’t get me wrong - some people will always be dicks, but SoD feels awesome.
agree, my casual wow homie is around lvl 20 rn, instead of him just needing to hit max to do anything with us we can still dungeon together and something is in it for everybody
casual noobs in sod thats why i stick to era
@@MC-nt7jz you know Trump plays classic, right bro? He knows what's good.
For me it's also that we don't have flying. I love that i need to see every zone every part of it every tree.
Feels like I'm really there it's immersive and i love it.
this is crazy logic... so you wont use a mount or flight paths either?
@@steadychasingmoneybands6213No, this is crazy logic. A ground mount is a ground mount, flight paths are flight paths, not flying mounts.
One thing I like about sod is that I can tell my friends to play with me and they actually want to instead of having their eyes glaze over when they realize it would be 100 hours before they can be caught up to my main character
I hope they will focus more on 10 man raids. I’m so done with guilds running whole servers and having such power over everyone. The logistics of 40 man raids is such a hassle and loot always feels unfair
New players love it too. Me and 4 friends just got into it and Classic is just so vibey and chill to play with friends. The level cap keeps things at a reasonable pace for all of us too.
Love the feeling of multiple end games ahead of me. Still so much left to do and see.
I don't know, there are a LOT of sweaty players. As usual, the players will destroy a game faster and more completely than the devs.
I love the much slower pace of it all. Level banding is a really good as you can experience everything at a certain level has to offer. People would be 60 already and hitting molten core if it wasn't for level banding. It adds longevity to the season. I have run more WC, SFK, DM in this season that i have since i started playing in vanilla wow.
The level cap was genius. You get to explore all of the low level areas fully instead of rushing to 60. It also bakes in BiS tiers you can achieve and "beat" that phase.
Genius from a profit perspective yes. The only reason they did it is cause they were in a rush to get the next "new" thing out, and they knew people would quit within a week without this fomo factor, and you guys are eating it up and praising them for it. Mission accomplished blizzard
I am loving playing with tanking as a Shaman. The Mana burn is odd on a tank, but SoD just feels so good!
It’s nice to level in brackets like this so end game always feels in reach and the community is close in power.
Amazing video, subscribed. I stopped playing since MoP and coincidentally started playing again, had no idea about SoD. I'm having so much fun! I know it won't last forever so I'm truly grateful that I get to experience WoW at it's best again.
My favorite thing about SOD is that bots outnumber players 3:1
I hope it progresses into new classic era content to truly create classic+ in the future.
I kinda hope they stick with 10 man content. Maybe I’ve just gotten my fill of large raids, but it’s just logistically a lot easier to do 10 mans. It’s been a nice change
Ya I love 10 mans. 25 mans are pretty much impossible to keep a consistent roster
It really feels like rediscovering classic. The level caps are absolutely genius, I am doing content I never did before like going to Shadow Fang Keep as alliance or Wailing Caverns. Going early to ratchet to get my runes, discovering new items, seeing transmorphed mobs in Elwynn Forest and much more.
SoD must continue to Classic+ and take the OSRS route imo. This is absolutely brilliant and I am in love with classic all over again
As a very new member of this community and wow world , i can say that i have never experienced something like this before. I did play many many mmorpgs for long times, im a mmorpg veteran but i cannot believe i havent tried wow experience before...
yeah wow was the most popular game of existence for a reason back in the day.
Me! A 18 year old who started this game in mop and only played retail until SoD (Leveled to 16 when classic first came out) Is loving LOVING my experience in SoD im taking it slow enjoying the game and experiencing something entirely new and fun. I have fallen in love with it and i absolutely recommend all retail players to try it out!
I started playing when I was 16, that was back in 2004. I'm going back in at 36, it's insane to think about. So many great memories made from a "video game"
Very few words, but I will say this. It’s nothing short of amazing. I’m absolutely hooked and even thinking about playing while at work sometimes.
Same 😂
This was a cool listen. You definitely took the words out of our... brains when it comes to the philosophy we went with when concepting Season of Discovery. Thanks sir!
Is this the real aggrend
if you read this, im little concerned that youre increasing new overpower items while garbage junk that was garbage even during vanilla is left there, as we will progress to 60, this is becoming more and more aparent, especially in 5man settings, where ppl hunt the one bis item, but the 90% rest of the items are just awfully designed/worthless
@@Quitarstudent I can understand this sentiment but the weird, sub-optimal stat items are important in original wow. They are sometimes interstitial upgrades that aren't perfect or even all that good, but are upgrades in the moment until you get something better. Also, not ALL items that are new are going to be optimzied perfectly, also by design for the same reason.
We don't ever really want to get to the point where every item is Main Stat/Stam/secondary/secondary. That model works for other versions of WoW, but that really just is not vanilla. That means there will be oddball items that aren't great, but it'll also make those truly great items even more exciting when you do get them.
@@aggrend tanks for reply, but i dont see how they are important at all.... people will prefer 30lvl item with +9 spell power over item that increases base stats (for example speaking for casters), maybe in vanilla where everything wasnt optimalized and most of the people didnt even know what to look for this was acceptable, im not talking about goofy items, but the number of items is huge but usable are only a few, i simply wish we could have more diversity in op items (like i woudlnt have to farm scholo for a wand, because similar wand drops also in strat or UBRS or something)
also i hope that future brings dungeon sets (tier 0, but all t1 t2 tiers) to some reasonable level, especially for casters, they are cool, but useless for most of the classes and its a damm shame (i can imagine some upgrade like youve done with the crafted items now in SoD, that would be cool af)
i love that level cap is 25! makes it to where everyone gets to play around the same pace. makes it feel less like you are being left behind. SOD is fucking godly! im having way to much fun lol
I am enjoying it way more than I do retail. It feels like a bigger world somehow and so much more immersive.
I would add that it's not just the growing in power, but the variety and viability as well. We get to explore new options. I'd say that also has an essence of discovery, especially with lower brackets and new items that give further builds/optimizations to test
It was a lot of fun for a couple days then ran out of stuff i wanted to do.
2nd comment I'm still level 18 I'm taking my time enjoying the game and I'm a lone player quiet and shy but SOD has made me come out of my shell and socialize
Skip to 3:00 to skip his 3 minute long introduction / sponsor
Shoulda stamped this at :01, didn't pop up until 3:00 😢
Thanks!
The fact that as horde I have to do Deadmines has something very special, even tho my friends are redacted and always get killed by a crocodile in STV its so much fun to be able to explore something I would have never done without the level cap. Good job blizzard
No way I'm trying to gank you in this video at 5:55 😱
SoD is freakin great
I wasn’t sure about all the added stuff to class’s
But wow, this feels good and right added stuff in the clsssic environment keeping it classic
Seeing people interact and world PvP in random areas it’s good
One of the biggest wins that I think blizz had with this was choosing to let level 25 the max level at first.
I will say that it solves so many problems that classic wow had such as people dropping off early as well as breaking up the grind for every max level, I personally think that levels want to 30 classic wow are some of the best content in mmos hands down however in my personal Journey maybe because I wasn't able to socialize as much but everything between 40 and 60 was just a giant log with 50 to 60 being a genuinely bad experience for me is the only reason why I got to the end being that all of my friends were at max level having fun without me so it felt like if the grouped with me it was a chore for them and if they didn't it was a chore for me with it being completely disheartening to Quest for 2 hours and only have gotten three bars of exp for it at most it genuinely felt like a job that I wasn't getting paid for
However with season of discovery it is so easy to enjoy myself as I'm playing the fun parts of the game and when I tell my friends that they can play with me if they want they aren't immediately put off by the The Grind or the feeling of Burden because I have to make another character to play with them
This video is SPOT ON. I have played WoW since classic in 2005 with my friends. The Classic versions of WoW always stuck with me as my favorites. SoD is the first game since the first 3 expansions that I have played and really thought "wow" about it. SoD is so good, it may be my new favorite version of Classic. I hope they always keep the first version preserved "flaws and all" but, I absolutely love this version of classic they have given with SoD. Major fun. Keep the good things going Blizzard and dont make major changes that ruin it. Expansion of content can be good, but nothing that overall breaks the mechanics. The difficulty, the progression, teamwork, all of those are great as they are now.
I as well do love the way they PUSHED social interaction in this version of wow. The fact to need each other and a team and to need a community to win... YES, LIKE IT OR NOT AT TIMES, THIS IS EXCELLENT. I do not like the lonely single player game aspect of MMO, if I wanted to do that I would just play single player games. I love that I still feel IMPACTFUL too though, so that I know I am also contributing to the success of my group and not just a "small cog" that feels weak.
Having a max level at 25 makes a good opening for new players, and it doesn't feel as bad of a grind.
At one point at launch I played, my wife played, my daughter played, and my wife's mother played. I've never seen any other game capture so many new people from various generations.
Level cap is so good and many classes get a lot of abilities that make them feel full.
I love the runes, but my favorite part is the level cap
One thing i was looking forward to at 25 max are trying different classes and making alts. However a lot of the runes are just such a pain to get there's no way I would do it on an alt.
Yeah that’s what is keeping me from making an alt at the moment lol
depends if you need the particular rune, but yes, i feel like some of them are too annyoing to get, epsecially if u need more ppl for it
Truth be told doing the third iteration of the Ashenvale event late night yesterday felt awesome. Now there's negative incentive to afk at final boss - you actually do earn more for doing more. And that's great.
A huge part of it for me is the rolling level cap. The fact that I can take my time makes me feel like I actually stand a chance of keeping up with the community
But CAN we take our time? thats the question. from what ive heard its a 3 month season, wich means 3 weeks 1-25 - 3 weeks 25-40 and so on. this seems designed to run away from u FAST!
BAHAHA not a 3 month season dog
they said 4-8 weeks per phase and there are roughly 8 phases
@@jossonbelluschi3517 Ok. thats sounds better than my first impression. Hope you're right 🙂
Season of Discovery gave me the nostalgia kick AND something fresh to enjoy as an old man. its like taking the best pieces of classic and adding a dash of wrath to it... The perfect balance of something you vaguely remember with something you're comfortable with.
Its the psychology of a refresh. Everyone starting on a new playing field.
I'm having a lot of fun with Season of Discovery. It has given me a heightened appreciation for the QoL adjustments in retail.
Interesting? I feel as though the QoL stuff are what detracted from the game. And SoD (and classic in general) highlight how much those messed up the experience… like rfd in wotlk…. Completely ruined the community….
@@tainicon4639 For me it's the minor QoL sort of things like area autoloot, or autoupdate spell ranks kinda stuff. It's nice to not have to make sure all your flypoints connect, but it's not a dealbreaker kind of thing.
@@MSinistrari autoloot… yeah I agree. But I think spell ranks and training are such a better system for character fantasy. I need to go back to a city and train and stock up. And I also like the flight paths being earned. Makes the world seem bigger!
@@tainicon4639So you're the user that turned WoW into dog tier, nice
@@Justnothankyou132 what? I prefer the game to be an MMO not fancy skin for some moba.
I only found out about season of discovery 10 days ago And I just absolutely love that I can easily catch up with everyone and still see the max level content!
I honestly hope they keep cap at 25 for at least 2-3 months. Gives everyone time to raid, to get 25, and to figure out the main they plan to continue playing on till the end. Originally I wasn't gonna resub to WoW just cause of personal reasons.. but seeing how my friends are playing SoD and how much fun they are saying it is. I gave it a go, and am kinda hooked.
Hell no lol. 6 weeks maximum. The 40 bracket will be much more fun with mounts and way more things to do
Nah give it a few months 6 weeks is to low@@sydsweiner6516
I really wish retail would get a complete rework and play more like classic/classic wrath including a prolonged leveling experience (or at least the option) for those of us who like the journey more than the destination. All this shows that people crave the more classic experience than the dull retail version we have.
I might agree but i bet the majority of retail would absolutely hate a slower levelling experience, the core of retail is raiding and m+, open world barely matter besides chores.
What the crates do for professions is brilliant and exactly what we needed. There needed to be a sink to move those items out of the economy and give them an actual value. Would love to see more tight game design like this.
I really like that instead of "rushing to endgame" because that's where the fun is, and by the time I get there, it's too late because I'm too slow.. I can play casually and still get to the "endgame" of this season and experience it well before the next season begins. I like the small goals format. I have something to look forward to.
this wasnt a thing in classic before despite ppl speedrunning it, you could easily go to MC as fresh because those speedrunners were still hunting that 1% droprate item
What happens to your characters on SoD when sod ends?
Tbh, the level 25 cap does more for this season than the runes.
I haven’t played wow in a while but I heard about this and was curious. Thanks Nixx, this was exactly what I needed.
Blizzard wouldn't change talents because the (your) game loads talents for every character in the game and it's a lot of memory and server stress. Also inventory.
So true! Love the video, and the honesty! I never played original vanilla, and I didnt want to play classic because I played a ton of WotLK private servers, and it all just felt like a downgrade to me. But now, with the friends that I made in classic TBC and classic wrath, I came to SoD, and I love it! I rerolled my main, because its fast, lvl25 allows me to try all the things I want. There is people everywhere, dungeons are easy to find, the new stuff is amazing and I hope blizz make this a long term thing, not just a seasonal server.
The crates are so elegant, my hope is revived in blizzard's developers understanding what makes classic good. Though I kinda wish the metamorph rune didn't have huge camerablocking wings :P
I added a new friend to my list in years after killing murlocks then going after Avengers shield.
Level cap is a genius idea. It also saddened me how much of the world and levelling content players skip while rushing to max level and now max level is 25 and DM and WC are top instances lol and because of the hidden runes and secrets it makes sense to explore the world. And topped with sh*t ton of new skills, loot, new raid. This is just perfect classic plus formula. They absolutely nailed it, I was 99% sure they wont do smth like that. Obviously some balancing and tweaking required and things like rogue tank or mage heal are questionable but I am enjoying at is back in 2019.
this aged well
I played classic at its inception and hit 60 in the summer of 05. Loved it back then and played intensely for a few years. Stopped while I was in the latter stages of college but played periodically throughout the years. Started playing SOD a few months ago and fell in love with the game all over again. It has been such a ride getting back up to max lvl and effing kids up who weren’t alive when I first hit 60.
The Rogue’ing has been solid so far
such a WATE OF TIME
What I love is how challenging it can be pulling 3 mobs and actually almost dying to them if not done right. It’s challenging, but not so challenging where you want to quit the game.
Geting my metamorphosis form was so much fun and social.
Definitely better than rolling out Cata
Breaking ToS for that sweet Zygor Money :)
Everytime I play the game the last few days, it reminds me how bad retail is in terms of that MMO feeling. Its sooo good
For all the time i put into wow way back in 2006- 2011, i never REALLY played Horde characters and im using SoD to do that. Im exploring the low level zones i never really played before and feeling an entirely new aspect of the game on top of the changes to my favorite class. Im not even 25 yet and im feeling that "addictive" drive to keep playing and exploring meanwhile interacting organically with other players. Its kind of magical
Yup, I’m loving it too. Taking my time with it and not going online to find anything.
As a completely new player should I play classic season of discovery or classic wrath of the lich king? I kinda wanted Wrath because of the extra content but idk, maybe the original content is more important to complete first. Thoughts?
I thought about trying out Season of Discovery. Sadly I have been stuck on "Detecting Humanity" for the past hour. Strange I have tried on 3 computers and 2 different service addresses, and I just cant seem to make a new Blizzard acccount. I wonder why? Maybe you guys have a problem?
Nailed it, dude. It's all about the community and the community is ALIVE right now!
It's been a very long time a game made me play it so much. These days I play most game for an hour maybe 2.
I've now had sessions that were 8 hours.. that's rare for me.
These deve really knew what they were doing. Sure it's not perfect but it actually feels better then normal classic for me.
Im new to wow and have been having tons of fun is Season of Discovery. The problem Im having right now is that I dont know how to get into the raid or dungeons because I dont know how to find a guild
I entered the cave in Silverpi e Forest to get the Master Channeler rune and a 25 Warlock was inside waiting for low levels to help them kill the elite. Gotta love it.
I can’t wait to start playing this as a new player it’s good to see the community is so together
Then you get those people who rushed to 25 in hours...and blight the game and forums
Not going to search through all the comments. But the rep tied to the boxes is also a huge reason to do them. That unlocks items and runes you can buy.
They need to fix the botting issue and permaban people buying gold, full stop. It’s not too late to take action. Everyone who is playing and wants the game to be fair should be saying this until it gets addressed.
The game is fun, no doubt. The new runes/abilities makes the gameplay a lot more fun at low level. Every zone feels alive but I have seen the same bots sitting in the same spots in the Barrens since day 1. But yeah, I’m sure all these Hunters with Chinese pets just enjoy leveling by farming NPCs 24/7.
Ban them or I’m not playing for much longer. Demand better.
I think that's the difference that makes Classic a fundamentally different game from retail - from at least Cata onward, the focus has been on content treadmills, ease and convenience rather than things that encourage players grouping up for anything before high-end endgame content. It makes such a massive difference to the leveling experience, and SoD emphasizes that by staggering the level cap.
Honestly, take my sub. By now, you have MORE THAN earned it. I hope it helps in the push for the half-mill !
I love you Nixxiom, but I have to ask...how much did they pay you to make this video?
i have been enjoying everything in season of discovery and its been amazing
10:00 ok, the meta rune was 100% bugged. The quest or item that you were supposed to get wasn't working correctly, so there was no way to actually get it. Blizzard was acting all smug as if everyone was dumb, when in reality, they didn't test the shit.
Because Season of Discovery is fixing the flaws of vanilla/classic. The class design is already better than what lvl60 is in vanilla, all specs are valid, the leveling is nicer since it's shorter and it has new quests, and they are adding new content. Now the difficulty of the content is another thing, but that's up to preference.
Shaman tank is so fun. I love being excited to play a class again.
As someone new to classic wow, and who’s dabbled in retail since Cataclysm, the thing for me is that there is 1. Less total information to learn about SoD than any other version of WoW and 2. There is stuff I can still discover for myself that no one else has. There aren’t any BiS guides for a dual wielding beast mastery hunter in SoD, or for a shaman tank, or anything else really because of all the truly new stuff. I have to actually do the research myself, slowly learning more information and discovering things instead of just looking at a single source of mathematically indisputable information. Instead of “net-decking” I actually get to theory craft and experiment myself for once, and that’s such a great feeling in a game that is supposedly as expansive as WoW is.
The easiest thing to do isn’t always the most enjoyable thing. But it’s hard to ignore the easy thing in favor of the difficult but more rewarding thing.
I have to admit, this is the best they have done since I can remember.
It's been a real blast so far & can't wait for more - first time in a long time on WoW (since I started in OG Wrath) that there feels a real sense of discovery to a familiar yet new world, where the mobs actually seem dangerous and loot feels important. Excited for the future :)
I love that they made literally new specs for classes like Tank Shaman or Tank Rogue it makest hings more interesting and makes builds more varied.
Im having a blast, i think season 1 should’ve been to lvl 40 to be honest
9:52 The warlock meta rune has just been found. Literally Everyone the next day, who's a warock: has the rune. Does ANYONE who plays a warlock NOT have this rune already?
I’m with you on 99% of this, but I love that they’re giving us the option for more solo content in retail. Grouping up to fight an elite or get kill credit for a quest enemy is one thing, but when you’re new to / not great at the game, retail dungeons are super intimidating-not because they’re particularly difficult, but because no one communicates. The whole group will mount up without even saying hi and just sprint through the whole thing because they’ve already done it a dozen or more times. If you don’t know what you’re doing, it’s so easy to get separated or get KO’d from a boss attack you didn’t know about, and then you’re dragging the rest of the group down.
Love the social element in classic, but even there, I’m nervous to try anything but dps in a dungeon. And retail doesn’t have anywhere near the same culture of cooperation that classic does. Solo runs will let people try things out and get decent gear without being overwhelmed by the social pressure.
Im not so sure SoD is all that popular. It cMe out a week ago and livimg flame EU is a ghost town alreasy
Massive Blizzard W. The classic team is doing well right now.
I like that they made the level cap lower to begin with, makes it way less of a time commitment. Since i basically just wanted to check it out and not really grind, it felt super accessible.
Because it is boring just to gain max level and grind, since next expansion it will be obsolete, but im discovery, people work together to find out about runes and location, it is refreshing, it is no longer about max gear or max level but more customization, and indeed like you say, it feels impactful
pst doesnt mean "post me" it means "please send tell" lol...
people always do this, set unbelivable expectations and affirm them in the first week and completely miss that they are looking through rose colored glasses the first weeks. For an example, I think everyone would agree that you cant tell if you love someone until you have been with them for a long time. Setting unreachable expectations on a realtionship is destructive and i personally find that this applies to almost everything.