The Grand Canyon, to me, is one of the easiest pieces of evidence for the Biblical narrative. Any geologist worth his salt will not argue that the canyon is showing millions of years of erosion. Rather, he admits there is, instead, signs of rapid explosive water erosion, which is proven by the water angles shown in the layers themselves. Each layer shows proof that they were quickly dumped on top of one another, and you never observe the layers being mixed together. The stark walls are clear signs of catastrophic water erosion, NOT excessively slow erosion.
The layers _do not_ show proof they were quickly dumped on top of each other. Where did you read that? The are several layers of limestone in the Grand Canyon, interspersed with shale and various kinds of sandstone. They very top layer -- when not eroded away -- is limestone. There is nothing _quick_ about the formation of limestone. There is no known process whatever that has so many different _kinds_ of rock formation happening during a supposed global flood, especially jumbled up like they are and yet stratified as they are. So, claim whatever you want, you have no proof and won't impress geologists until you do. Just squeezing the presumed floodwaters out of all that rock is not fast in itself. Also, there's the Coconino sandstone. Despite strident and inaccurate objections from creationists, the formation is ancient sand dunes. That is, they were deposited on land with no flood waters or any other kinds of waters involved. The fossilization there suggests land, not marine as well. It's a layer in the middle of the rest somewhere. The fossils in the Canyon, as everywhere else, are impossibly stratified -- exactly contradicting what would happen if it was all rapidly deposited in a flood. This has been understood since the late 18th century. Fossils are way too regular in their nature for flood deposition. As for erosion, have you actually been there? There's a lot of very sharp structures, the exact opposite of what a catastrophic global flood should produce. Turbulent flooding would round, not sharpen. Here's another simple puzzle -- why are the layers in the canyon so many different colors? The colors imply chemical differences in how the rocks were formed -- I am sure the geological story is complicated and detailed, but even a layperson can see that there are very different chemistries involved in the various layers even before considering the types of rock. How does that work, and stratify, in the context of a global flood? It doesn't. I don't know why creationists spend so much time on the canyon -- it is a terrible place to ply one's creationist trade. Way, way, way too many problems, way too many hand-waved not-solutions.
You said, "Any geologist worth his salt will not argue that the canyon is showing millions of years of erosion. " I'm guessing you're a geologist. You wouldn't be able to make that claim otherwise. Where did you study geology and what was your chosen career path?
It matters! When I was on my journey to Christianity, I was having issues believing in the Bible as a God inspired book. On a fluke, I ended up at a little church in Savannah, Georgia, where I was visiting friends for the first time. That weekend they had a guest speaker, pastor Paul Viet, the dino pastor. He went through the Bible with a fine tooth scientific comb, explaining dinosaurs, fossil records and all the issues with evolution. He gave me exactly what I needed, when I needed it. That pushed me over the edge, and the whole improbability of that weekend blew my mind. That was back in 2007 and is one of my favorite memories of this path to believing.
@richardplaatjies7680 maybe you should actually read the bible more. they didn't start calling them dinosaurs until the 1900s. Look up Job 40:15-24. There's your dinosaur.
@@stevebone88 Hi it is good to know that you know what i am talking about, behemoth or dinosaurs it is the same thing. But this does not change the fact that this teacher is wrong in his teaching. II Timothy 4: 03 - 04 Shalom
That is one of the best comments I've seen from anyone, particularly in regards to the discussion of Earth's origins. It goes perfectly with Proverbs 3:5-6. I'm not sure what to believe exactly when it comes to the age of the Earth, but I do believe one thing for sure - that our Father in Heaven created it - whether as a young Earth or as an event millions of years ago with evolution unfolding as a result... I believe without doubt that it was done by God in the manner in which He intended with His infinite wisdom, regardless of what we mere mortals think is the case. Afterall, we humans don't have the best track record when it comes to getting things right. We should have some humility as a result. So thank God for His grace and mercy! ✝
@thomast626 Forgive me, but you seem to accept the 'possibility' of evolution. God said, specifically, how He did it. Evolution declares God to be a liar.
@@thomast626 The Bible clearly says ... follow & obey God not Man ... and the Universe as created over ... 4 x 24 hr days ....5994 years ago, before an ALL KNOWING God created the Sun & Solar system and put Earth into its orbit creating the day & night, morning & evening, and year. The Universe is less than 6000 years old. And if you actually understood the scientific method you would have easily figured out the evidence of Creation.
Well, when God created Adam, he wasn't a baby. He was fully grown. So, to us, the Earth is billions of years old, but God created it instantly and made it ready for our use. People need to stop putting limits on what God can do.
What an interesting point , this way the earth can be both 6,000 years old and billions of years old. in other words, God made a new thing but He made it out of billions year old material.
Not putting limits on God with the exception that He cannot lie. He said he flooded the earth recently and according to scripture, He created make and female in the beginning. So, it really does make a difference in order to not have blind Faith.
@@paul-u2y9y No, He didn't. He created all things within 6 days a little over 6000 years ago. God Himself states this clearly in Exodus 20:11. And again in Exodus 31:17. He makes clear even everything in Heaven was made in the 6 days. The beginning in Gen 1 is the beginning of all things. If there was material billions of years old, there would have to be another beginning to account for it, and thus God would have spoken in error in Gen 1:1; "In the beginning.......
The fact that these thick sedimentary layers also include many monoclines and synclines and folded rocks means all these layers had to be ductile in order to curve at the same time. Creationists have done microscopic analysis of these curved layers and have shown that they are no different than the horizontal layers of the same stratum. That blows away the whole idea of an evolutionary geological column. In addition, it blows away the validity of radiometric determinations in dating these rocks.
@@MrLogo73 with no transition layers ... just as there aren't any transitions forms proving Evolution. Natural & Unnatural (breeding) Selection was known back in the 1850's ... to only cause variation or adaption within a species. We know today mutations never creates new genes with new traits. Because Universal Functions ... is the Hypothesis for Sir Issac Newton's Watchmaker Analogy over 300 years ago and all machine Analogies. Evolution, Abiogenesis and Big Bang fail the scientific Method and should have been relegated to ... fantasy. Whereas Universal Functions easily passes the scientific Method ... becasue space, time, Laws of Nature, matter & energy ... are clearly natural Funcitons ... with information like purpose, reason, rules, properties, processes & design ... which can only come from the Mind of an Intelligence.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00 *🌍 Earth's Age Determination* - Science is about observation and repeatable experiments. - When making pronouncements about the past, it is essential to consider the inability to observe the past directly. - Our beliefs influence how we interpret evidence, especially when it comes to historical matters. 01:27 *🔬 Scientific Evidence Interpretation* - Scientific evidence is interpreted in alignment with preexisting beliefs. - Science is limited in illuminating historical events due to its focus on observable, repeatable processes. - Assumptions and beliefs play a crucial role in interpreting the evidence presented. 05:15 *📜 Role of History in Understanding the Past* - History often trumps science when it comes to addressing historical matters. - Different belief systems and worldviews influence how individuals interpret scientific data. - Understanding the history one believes in is critical when determining the age of something. 21:49 *🧭 Death and suffering as a result of rebellion against God* - Death and suffering came from our rebellion against God, not from Him. - God's love is shown through sending Jesus to pay the price for sin and suffering. - Belief in a young Earth aligns with the hope for a new heaven and Earth without sin and death. 26:13 *🌍 Challenges to the old age of the Earth* - Sedimentary layers and fossils do not align with the claimed vast periods of evolutionary time. - Rapid sedimentation and fossilization contradict the slow processes of evolutionary timelines. - Lack of evidence for elapsed time between layers supports rapid formation of sedimentary rocks. 33:40 *🕰 Issues with radiometric dating methods* - Potassium-argon dating inaccuracies due to argon trapping in rocks skew results. - Excess argon complicates accurate dating and calls the whole process into question. - Cross-checking radiometric dates with other evidence is essential due to errors and assumptions. 43:59 *🦕 Soft tissue and DNA challenges* - Soft tissue preservation challenges the idea of millions of years - DNA decay analysis shows it doesn't support ancient age claims - Recent burial in flood event likely explains soft tissue findings 47:20 *🧬 Carbon 14 in dinosaur bones* - Carbon 14 in dinosaur bones contradicts millions of years timeline - Scientific journal states radiocarbon dating in bones is inaccurate - Efforts to defend against challenges to evolutionary theory 49:15 *✨ Evidence supporting biblical creation* - Looking at the world through biblical eyes reveals design and purpose - Clear evidence of a creator in the world around us - Understanding the world through the Bible enhances the gospel message Made with HARPA AI
I have autism and OCD, for me to u derstand something I have to take it apart in minute detail. So looking into this and other Christian things has made my faith deeper and strong as when I look it is like looking into the mind of God, in my humble option.
The verse 2 describes the only thing created so far ..other than the space to put it.. science is importance so verse 3 was extremely important because the light spectrum allows for freezing and Heating.
The next verse is where God places the atmosphere between the ice and the Seas.. the pressure formed by this process allowed the insects to grow huge and in fact because of the inverse Square law, that atmosphere was absolutely necessary for the size of fossils we have in the fossil record.
And finally, everything was Leviathan in those days, or huge... because of the atmosphere people and animals lived long and got real big.. but God was mad at man and removed the ice which in turn caused the flood.. when the ice was removed.. all of the vegetation and animals began receiving the radiation that is looked for by the age dating tests. That's Peter's World standing inside and outside of water verse❤. . That's what we will learn ..that's how he did it.😅
Mythtrekker610, You missed one small detail to take apart. Why can't anyone demonstrate a god even exists using ANY objective demonstrable evidence? Why are people relegated to trying to define an imaginary being into existence?
I love Dr. Hardwood's no compromise no negotiation stance on the Word of God - even if it doesn't make sense it's still the Word of God and it's our understanding that needs to be corrected. That's how believers are supposed to approach God's Word. His thoughts are far above our own. There must be an element of faith - accepting Him as True even if it doesn't make sense because we have experienced Him. That's what most skeptical believers need - an actual encounter with Jesus. When that happens you will believe the Word of God especially when it doesn't make sense 😅
Of course, it's easy to say something doesn't make sense, especially when no examples are provided. But you know what doesn't make sense? To believe that if we're all just the product of an accident, and all of our thoughts are just electro-chemical reactions that we should expect anything to make sense. The atheistic universe has no rational basis for logical thinking. For you to expect something to make sense is to borrow from the Christian worldview because only the Christian worldview can provide a rational basis for logic.
So even when it's wrong it's right because it's in the bible? Rather a silly argument. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. Science has proven this using many different methods. To simply deny it because it's not in the bible is ridiculous because the bible is not a science book.
It says in the Bible "The only way to God is through me (Jesus)" and yet the preacher says any faith will do contradicting the Bible. There are something like 3000 different Faith's....... any God capable of creating the Heavens and the Earth would surely be capable of communicating his instructions without relying on the scribings of relatively primitive men ? 🤷♀️
For millennia, it was people's "no compromise, no negotiation stance on the word of god" that killed so many innocent people by refusing to see that it is germs and not sin or miasma or evil spirits which cause illness. That is why thinking rational people reject that stance.
If something doesnt make sense, then either the author was an idiot, or incompetent at writing comprehensible statements. Not sure which is better. But ask yourself this.. you are an omniscient being.. why on earth do you write so much nonsensical stuff, if you, and only you, know exactly what words would convince everybody. Why are most people not convinced then? Further, why is so much of the stuff you wrote obviously wrong or contradicting? Maybe, just maybe.. it wasnt an omniscient being who wrote it, but desert dwelling, superstitious people.
I believe I was saved before I became a young earth creationist but the Holy Spirit brought me to a love of the truth and I was overjoyed to find Ken hams ministry in lockdown. Fast forward to today and I’m reading through John with my atheist friend whose main objection is the scientifically held age of the earth and its contradiction with Gods word. It’s important work that you’re doing, God bless you.
@@SheridanFalkenberry thank you, your prayers are very much appreciated. She was in a coma a couple of years ago and we were told she wasn’t going to make it. We prayed for her and she miraculously woke up and recovered, now she’s seeking God. one of her stumbling blocks is the age of the earth and evolution. I think people find it hard to accept they’re whole world view is not true but we keep praying and presenting her with the truth.
@@caronbryan9612 Patient endurance in effect. Keep teaching your friend the truth. God is able to overcome the programming we received in state run institutions.
Cats make cats cats, dogs make dogs. There are NO EXCEPTIONS. SUPPOSEDLY crocodiles haven't changed in millions of years. Why? They were and always will be crocodiles.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 That is your interpretation of the creature, but our observation of the creatures that aren't extinct is that they all produce after their own kinds.
Ah, the "cats make cats, dogs make dogs" argument, a favorite among creationists and opponents of evolution. It's a simple yet flawed understanding of genetics and evolutionary biology. While it's true that species reproduce within their own kind, the concept of speciation and evolution goes far beyond that simplistic view. Evolutionary processes like genetic mutations, natural selection, and environmental pressures lead to the diversification of species over time. As for crocodiles not changing in millions of years, that's not entirely accurate. Crocodiles, like all living organisms, have undergone evolutionary changes and adaptations to survive and thrive in different environments. While they may appear similar to their ancient ancestors, they have indeed evolved over time, just at a slower pace compared to some other species. So, while it's catchy to say "cats make cats, dogs make dogs," the reality is much more nuanced and complex, showcasing the wonders of evolution and the diversity of life on Earth.
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go farmers rely on life producing after it's own kind. Things change within their own pool. They do not skipper fish to other ponds over time. If you make that claim (which defies observation) you need to demonstrate, the cop out of Evolutionism is an appeal to time, that things Evolve so slow we can not observe. Unfalsifiable faith in that which has never been seen.
As an ex-atheist, I 100% agree. "God, if you are there, I need to know. I need to know what is true" I said as a teen and in my early 20s at least on three separate occasions. In 1993 a friend tried to give the Gospel and he hit a wall. That wall came down we he shared with me a VHS on Mount Saint Helens, Evidence for Catastrophe. The ball was rolling toward a radical transformation.
Science is entirely neutral when it comes to religion. It doesn't make decisions based on religion. It makes decisions based on facts and evidence. It has no preconceived notions. It follows the evidence where it leads. Religion has a preconceived notion. It only except evidence that it approves of and disregards evidence that it disapproves of. You will note that the top experts in their field, and many branches of science, for many different religions, can agree on the evidence. The only people who disagree or people who hold a fundamentalist religious view and they feel their view is threatened. Religion and science or two different things. Scientific discovery should not be biased by religious beliefs.
Yes, this is the problem with YEC. Hebrews 4:9-10 is clear. Have you entered into the 7th day as the Bible asks you to? In Genesis 2:4. The entire time span of God’s creative activity is called a “day”. So yes, Genesis tells us that the word day in Genesis is long time span. The events that happen on day 6 can not happen in 24 hours, too many events, must be a long time span.
@@djsarg7451 Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. God did not rest for millions or billions of years on day seven as an example to man to rest one day out of seven. The six days of creation had a morning and evening. Adam was made on day six and sometime later he sinned and death entered the world. There was no death before Adam The Bible clearly provides the genealogy of Adam to Jesus the Christ. Based on this timeline in scriptures the Universe and all therein was created only about 6,000 years ago.
The 6-day creation forms the basis for one of the Ten Commandments, which is the law that defines sin, from which we need to be saved. So don't tell me that this isn't a salvation issue!
@@AdamIlluminati23 I was referring to the 4th Commandment, which is right in the middle of the others. It constitutes the "seal" of the Ten-commandment Law, as it identifies the Lawgiver and the basis of His authority. It contains the following words: "For in six days the LORD [i.e. Jehovah] made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day." Thus, this key Commandment does appear to be based on the events of creation week, and the authority of the Creator, who according to the New Testament is Jesus our Saviour.
The first time I heard the argument that the earth has to be young from a biblical perspective because otherwise there was death and suffering before the original sin I immediately became a young earth believer. I’ve always had faith ever since I was a child but it does strengthen my faith that the earth is a young creation.
@@penoge first off do you have perfect theology? Second off I’ve heard people say who knows a day can be like a thousand years to good or vice versa so I was like ya ok maybe the earth was created in six god says whatever length of time that is. But I’m not interested in talking theology with a mocker.
The Earth doesn't have to be young from a biblical perspective. People in the Old Testament lived for hundreds of years. If humans of that time could almost reach a millenium how old do you think the Earth would be?
@@stephanfouche9208 From multiple lines of reasoning, The maximum age would be about twenty five to thirty thousand years. The limitations are length of history recorded, tree rings of dead trees, and the ratio of He4 to He3. Last is the amount of salt in the ocean gives a maximum age of around 100,000 years assuming that it started as fresh water with no salt washed off the land in the flood.
There I a difference between suffering and struggling. You suffer when you take a wrong route. Like criminal route. When you take a good route you will struggle to achieve a excellent result. Not easy to become a good doctor, pilot, etc. An excellent goal will always have an intense road. The struggle is a pleasure!!!
Dr. Harwood pointing out the difference between the scientific method (examination/evaluation of repeatable processes) and history (events that occurred in the past) makes. Also a person’s reference point. I agree in the infallibility of God’s word, hence my world view and reference points are bound to God’s word. Thank you Dr. Harwood.
Job 38:4-6 (KJV) Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
God bless you CMI 🙏🙏🙏✝️ We know that God's word is true and we also know Genesis 1 was written historically. Not metaphorically. Jesus also took the OT as literal. No reason for us to do any different today.
I like your choice of words: "no reason" to do any differently today. Those of us who choose to use our ability to reason have found good reasons to do differently. One reason, our explanations for natural phenomena actually explain. Another reason, our findings are backed up by tangible observable and verifiable evidence.
''We know that God's word is true'' No. You believe without evidence and AGAINST the evidence. In other words, you started with a conclusion that must be true no matter what while denying science.
Thank you Dr Harwood! I gave my life to Jesus 4 years ago, luckily I was surrounded by spiritually mature people who advised me to read my Bible and pray for Revelation. I remember going through the first chapter of Genesis thinking "there's no way I'll be able to finish this book, it's full of fairytales", but I carried on. The more I read and prayed, the more it made sense and I now believe as well. Giving one's life to Christ is only the beginning of the Christian journey, the renewing of the mind is the next step (Romans 12: 2), without it you couldn't possibly get it. "The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple" Psalms 119: 130.
Huge respect for this man. The depth of his passion, compassion, care and wisdom is impressive. He’s also compelling and incredibly articulate. At the end of the day, we have a choice. And yes, the scientific viewpoint points away from salvation. He has chosen faith and I respect that. The conundrum is real.
I watched an interview years ago with an expert of some kind, I can't remember if they were a geologist, but it was some very credible and experienced professional, who said exactly this. He was explaining how time lines could not be relied on, because after the big bang of creation, time was expediently faster than it is now. It slows as it expands. It makes a lot of sense. When I heard the first interview here, it concurred with his timeline also. He said modern man doesn't take the fact that time was so much faster when they account for timing in carbon dating etc. He was coming from a purely scientific point, not a Christian one btw..
These people who say "Why does it matter?" are two types of people. One type, are those who struggle with science and want an excuse to not educate themselves. The other type are those who have idolitry in their heart. They want to be accepted by the world and the secular science community and don't want to put God's Word above man's. I had one guy tell me that if believing in Christ required him to believe in the Genesis account of 6 literal days, then he would not be a Christian because the Bible is then wrong. His way of believing in Christ was that the Bible didn't violate his belief in an old earth. So, his belief in secular science is above his belief in Christ and the Word of God. That's idolatry. But, these people don't admit they have idolatry in their hearts or that they have trouble following scientific concepts, so they pridefully dismiss the ministry of creation research. There are many who are following God's calling on their life to show how the world around us backs the Bible, but these types attack or arrogantly dismiss these callings. And MANY of the people I know who had fallen away from Christ used science as one of the excuses.
One of the dangers of holding onto ancient beliefs is that when they are shown to be incorrect, that throws your faith into question. Many Christians accept the Earth is old and that life changed over time and they believe that God is in charge of all of that. Many Christians have accepted that the Earth is not 6000 years old. You can believe in modern science and still believe in God. Science does not attack religion. It just reveals the truth of how the world works. Galileo was thrown in prison and forced to recant his scientific discoveries because the church felt threatened. Science is not idolatry. It's an open-minded acceptance of the truth, and a realization that ancient texts are to be taken for the lessons they are teaching but not necessarily to be taken literally. If religion accepts science then you will see fewer people leaving religion. If it's a choice between reality or mythology, you're going to be losing believers. Probably better to accept scientific knowledge as understanding the truth of God's universe rather than rejecting data and evidence. If you're going to be like the people who forced Galileo to recant his discovery because you feel threatened, you're going to wind up losing believers.
On April 12, 1633, chief inquisitor Father Vincenzo Maculani da Firenzuola, appointed by Pope Urban VIII, begins the inquisition of physicist and astronomer Galileo Galilei. Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church. Standard practice demanded that the accused be imprisoned and secluded during the trial. This was the second time that Galileo was in the hot seat for refusing to accept Church orthodoxy that the Earth was the immovable center of the universe: In 1616, he had been forbidden from holding or defending his beliefs. In the 1633 interrogation, Galileo denied that he “held” belief in the Copernican view but continued to write about the issue and evidence as a means of “discussion” rather than belief. The Church had decided the idea that the sun moved around the Earth was an absolute fact of scripture that could not be disputed, despite the fact that scientists had known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe. This time, Galileo’s technical argument didn’t win the day. On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order: “We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world.” Along with the order came the following penalty: “We order that by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy Office during Our will and pleasure; and as a salutary penance We enjoin on thee that for the space of three years thou shalt recite once a week the Seven Penitential Psalms.” Galileo agreed not to teach the heresy anymore and spent the rest of his life under house arrest. It took more than 300 years for the Church to admit that Galileo was right and to clear his name of heresy.
As someone who went through the pain of aquiring a masters degree, i can proudly claim that i do not have trouble following scientific concepts. As such i know that a young earth is simply impossible. Young earth creationism is absolutely on the same level as people claiming the earth is flat. Both parties managed to convince themselves that all the evidence that doesnt support their opinion must be wrong, and jump at every little crum they think is evidence for their case. In reality, both are delusional.
I don't believe in 6 literal days, who are you to say I'm not a Christian? How do we know that a day to us is the same as a day to the Lord? Doesn't it say that a day to us is like a thousand to the Lord in scripture? How do we know that eons didn't pass before each stage *day* of creation? Why is it that 6th day man was created before Adam, and differently like the animals? How long was it after the 6th day when Adam was created?
42:45 we didn’t learn how to do agriculture till 10-6000 years ago, (generally consensus is 6, but gobekli tepe would suggest technology beyond hunter gatherers) so, that would cause the population growth rate to spike, and prior to that remain very small
I just saw the top of a very tall Mountain in BC and the ridge line was so narrow it was skinnier than a balance beam with a shear drop off on both sides near vertical, as soon as I saw it I thought, how can this not be warn down? I would say all pegmatite veins and mountains are the same age as my trees, 4200 yrs +/- 100 yrs
I'm sure you've heard of the late Chuck Missler. He is a believer and asked his audience he was speaking to how many believed in a young universe and who believed in an old universe. The audience was mixed in their opinion. Chuck then said, "What if I told you it was both?"
But not even the strongest telescope looking out into the farthest reaches of the universe hold up the idea of an old universe. Even non creationist are unable to find evidence of an old universe.
I can imagine that God created an old universe/earth just like he created Adam and Eve in an adult mode or like Jesus made good wine that must be old to be good. Why not? Like you can build an earth that looks old in a computer game.
I love that this is a topic that is debated! I grew up just blindly believing in the Big Bang and billions of years. I just believed in evolution thinking it was just fact. I had so many questions because there were things that didnt make sense to me about evolution. And once I realized that there was another story out there about reality, everything made more sense. Almost to the point now where evolution looks like the fairy tale that people accuse creationists of believing. It boils down to this… Do you believe God’s word or man’s word. It’s absolutely 100% a heart issue.
@@christclinger6540 Jesus Christ to accuse actual science of being a fairy tale because you don’t understand it, and then go on to actually believe fairy tales is ridiculous.
First of all, who told you it was God's word? Men? Is it a fact, that God wrote those words, or just men? Come on mate, it's not hard to think and use a bit of "common sense".
I was the exact opposite born and raised Christian and then when I had questions about the world god and faith couldn’t answer I turned to science and hard tested answers and I’ve never looked back.
*@Baseball4lifer* What was the primary point that changed your mind from believing the earth is billions of years old to a position that the earth is 6000 years old? *Reply to:* _"I clicked this video so fast!!! Thank you CMI for opening my eyes to a world of creation!!"_
who are these god squad speakers they keep wheeling in, and I'm being over polite when I call them speakers and I would only say one word to them, "DINOSAURS".
*@Baseball4lifer* What was the primary point that changed your mind from believing the earth is billions of years old to a position that the earth is 6000 years old? *Reply to:* _"I clicked this video so fast!!! Thank you CMI for opening my eyes to a world of creation!!"_ *Note:* Just asking a second time in case my first attempt didn't make it through to you.
Thanks guys. I love these chats. It confirms my belief in a young earth and gives me knowledge to share with my unbeleiving friends. It just makes so much sense 😊
Occam's Razor is the truth. The dating methods has been so much changed it is impossible to tell and each time before it changed it was said it was spot on.
People who believe in Genesis literally like this are extremely deluded. The standard yec arguments about assumptions with radiometric dating etc don't hold water given that different methods corroborate . Funny how they skip past their own massive assumptions based purely on faith that firstly their god actually exists and secondly that the Bible is inerrant and six days is God's word and not just the musings of whoever wrote it.
Deluded how? Name some legit assumptions. Maybe i can help you with those or give me some strong argument against the bible which could point out that it isnt accurate.
@@TheSnoopi8 I stated the assumptions in my post. Of course the Bible isn't accurate in a literal sense. For example no sane adult can take the noahs ark story as anything but a myth.
They will not and can not allow old earth to die, because it also ends the evolution fairy tale and they then left with creation and God. Some might say aliens seeding life, without the sense enough to ask how the aliens came to be.
Wilde, S. A.; Valley, J. W.; Peck, W. H.; Graham C. M. (2001-01-11). "Evidence from detrital zircons for the existence of continental crust and oceans on the Earth 4.4 Gyr ago". Nature. 409 (6817): 175-178. Wyche, S.; Nelson, D. R.; Riganti, A. (2004). "4350-3130 Ma detrital zircons in the Southern Cross Granite-Greenstone Terrane, Western Australia: implications for the early evolution of the Yilgarn Craton". Australian Journal of Earth Sciences. 51 (1): 31-45.
The scientific Method (Function) developed mostly by Christians( intelligence) relies on fixed laws of Nature (functions) to explain natural phenomena (Functions) and is simply: 1. Observe 2. Hypothesis 3. Test & predict 4 Conclude Evolution, Big Bang fail the scientific Method. However Universal Functions from Machine Analogies ... easily passes the scientific Method.
@@adelinomorte7421 if you believe in evolution then best of luck with your god materialism…. Because you sure don’t believe in God if you believe in evolution….
@@Skovyd They don’t believe God in the least. The Bible says sin started with Adam and death through sin. Yet if evolution is true then death existed millions of years before Adam. Jesus came to redeem people of the curse brought upon by Adam, so they make Jesus irrelevant without even realizing they do so. Besides, it’s the worst theory in existence with exactly zero evidence supporting it….
@@Skovyd Evolutionists believe that God was not the founder of the earth, instead it was a natural phenomenon, beginning with inorganic molecules evolving into today's modern person. Evolutionists also believe that modern human evolved from an ancient form of Primate, and that primate evolved from single cell organisms called Eucaryotes. Evolution is thus 100% contradictory to the existence of a God. Unless you are a Pantheist who believe that the Universe itself is God.
The premise of Dr. Harwood's main argument is correct. Our assumptions drive our interpretations of data. Data does not "speak for itself." Data is interpreted to create information. Those interpretations are made based on the assumptions, even in experimentation (ie HYPOTHESIS/assumption comes before the actual experiment). This is not a criticism; just a statement of how science works (vastly oversimplified of course). I like Dr. Harwood's approach to the explanations. What I find to be so incredible about all the "debates" of God's existence (Hitchens, Dawkins, et al) is that they attempt to use data as information itself, all the while injecting their assumptions into the interpretation of that data. To believe God exists or does not exist, in both cases, is based on faith. "Science" does not excuse anyone from having faith, but it does blind people into believing they have "facts," and that those "facts" can only drive to one conclusion.
I disagree Data can speak for itself Look at basic statistics I can build empirical models with with high statistic probably and know nothing about about this underlying background of the data. In fact this is how machine learning and “AI” is so powerful. Because you can run the statistic in a data set with out biased human interpretation
@@Smaddx Perhaps I don't understand. but modern semiconductor and drug industries for example arnt just a human reviewing a scatterplot in excel... There are large predictive and empirical models that use hypothesis testing to literally take the human element out of it.
@@ndjarnag actually that is incorrect. AI is a conglomeration of computers and programs written by whom? How can science stand alone without interpretation? your model is like a tree falling in the forest with no audience; Does it make a sound?
I would love to hear Dr Mark Harwood talk every day. So much wisdom and constructive reasoning. Really boosting hope and faith. Nice job of the interviewer also👍. I have tanks to Dr. Mark H gone through much of the same eureka as him discovering that young Earth actually makes sence. Making believing in the Gospel with confidence much easier. In 2018 I wrote the manuscript «Jesus & RNA», explaining among other things how we could look at the Gospel and salvation as being «immunologically» transplanted into the Body of Christ with the right histocompatibility after Jesus washed us clean and The Holy Spirit placed a mark (God seal) on us. In that manuscript I parked the question about the age of the earth for later since it did not prevent me from believing and I did not have enough knowledge to understand it. After seing this with renewed eyes it is such a good feeling. Thanks❤
Have you considered sharing your knowledge with some of the science department heads of earth's largest 2,000 universities? From what I hear, ALL 2,000 schools teach that the earth is billions of year old. Posting on UA-cam comments threads doesn't seem to be working!
@@numbersix9477…do I sense i little bit of sarcasm in your comment😂. It is ok, I see your point. My background is in molecular immunology / nutrition and I have published a manuscript pointing at some analogies between core biochemical processes in our bodies and some core Biblical spiritual principles in «The Body of Christ». So a different topic than the age of the Earth. I have not digged much into the age of the Earth. Thinking instinctively that young Earth was a bit like flat Earth thinking. However, listening carefully to these arguments I find it very interesting. If the model is already defined at all these Universities a long time ago not to allow the possibility of a creator it not so easy to adjust perhaps?
@@bjartelygren8582 The creation model has had EXACTLY the same level of success at making it into college curricula as has the flat earth model. If you aren't willing to admit that you might be wrong, at least you're willing to admit that you and your fellow creationist are doing SOMETHING wrong with regard to educating the scientific community. Are you not?
I might be wrong about a lot of things and the details about creation in particular. Learning new things every day. But still if this is correct it will never enter into the scientific community as it works today since the model require God in the equation and he is per definition excluded.
A very important point on why it matters: Does it matter - if you claim a witness is a liar? Because that's what they are attempting to do. They are attempting to discredit God's character, so they have an excuse why they don't need to listen to Him.
@@aPartyRome that is the purpose of the Fantasy Theory aka evolution religion. If you seek God, you will find Him. Very simple - and it's not compulsory but wise. If I tell you wnat the Lord has done for me, you will not be able to read all before the year is over: my health, my family, my addictions, my life.... Taste and see that the Lord is good.
Seems as though it's very common, for a Young Earth Creationist, to imply this false association: If a person believes the earth is older than 6000 years, he also adheres to the theory of evolution.
@@aPartyRome Somebody wrote Genesis. Most say it was Moses. Did he make it up? The flood of Noah is scientifically supported is the rest fantasy? You decide.
How old did the earth appear to be when God created it? I assume Adam looked a lot older than 0 seconds old when his life began. In other words, God can create things that have characteristics which make them appear to be older than they actually are.
He created trees bearing fruit, so... Adam was created as a "fully grown" man, Eve, as a "fully grown" woman! So yeah, you're right. Edit: Picture in your mind a freshly landscaped yard. Makes the yard look 'brand new', doesn't it? So, apparent age is relative.
Carbon dating, per science: “The oldest dates that can be reliably measured by this process date to approximately 50,000 years ago.” Carbon dating relies upon the assumption of uniformity of decay and that that uniformity existed for 50,000 years. There is no scientific evidence, however, that uniformity existed for 50,000 years. As there are no eye witnesses who observed any geologic formation and no science experiment can repeat it, assumptions and speculation are required. Ergo, the dating process through which scientists arrive at their “facts” on earth’s age is actually based on faith-based assumptions, whether it’s through carbon dating or other methods for the same reasons.
The Dolomite mountains are an almost untouched reef system situated above thick (up to 500 meters) layers of volcanic deposits, essentially forming a fossil archipelago. The mountains rise to about 3,000 meters, while the reef part reaches up to 1,000 meters in thickness. One might wonder how it is possible for 1,000 meters of reef to form in just 6,000 years. If we consider the reefs in the Bahamas as a benchmark and generously estimate their growth rate at 10 centimeters per year (or 0.1 meters: in reality it can be much less for what we know today), it becomes clear that constructing 1,000 meters of reef at that rate would take approximately 10,000 years (1,000 meters divided by 0.1 meters per year). This estimate accounts only for the 1,000 meters of the reef itself. Now consider that the Bahamas reef itself is over 4,000 meters thick! Moreover, where is all that water needed to flood the Earth up to 5000 meters high (Ararat Mountain; I don't dare to say up to the Himalaya) coming from? And where is all that water gone today, provided the melting of all ice (North Pole, South Pole, all glaciers) would not raise the sea level to cover a small hill (less than 100 meters high)?
You were the inspiration for a sermon I gave. As a Christian we need to understand Genesis as we understand John 3:16. As in Mathew 5:12 we are to be the salt... How are we to explain the good news to the world when they don't understand the bad news (the fall of man). You also inspired me to study science more indebtly.
"As a Christian we need to understand Genesis" WRONG, you as a christian, Genesis account would make you a plagiarist of the Hebrew Bible. Does, the genesis story first come to any christians???
@@elizabeth84266 - the gospels are an eye witness account yes. The book of Genesis is not. It is also not a history book as the original comment stated. It is a book of origins.
@@RJ-s41ty How do you come to the conclusion that Genesis is an eyewitness account? It is impossible to be one when it covers what happened across 1500 years... Your position is flawed mate. Sorry. Most Scholars think it was Moses who wrote it. He would've been inspired by God to write about it, plus would've collated other writings together to make it a complete work. Not an eyewitness account dude.
It is a known fact that the elements of the periodic table took millions if not billions of years to be created. They were created in the stars, and the stars took millions of years to be formed so, to think the universe is only a few thousands of years old is totally out of the question. The Bible does not give any time frame for the creation of the universe, it only says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”, from here on in Genesis, the attention is placed on the formation of the earth and the emergence of biological life, which took also billions of years.
@@thartwig26 If you have an issue with "reality" as a world view, or "caring about believing as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible", then sure it's an issue.
Excellent answers. Its easy for believers to get caught up in these type of debates but what we are instructed to adhere to is simply "the revealed will of God" which pertains to the revealed information of scripture. Indeed we are instructed to search things out which science helps us to do but its all within the parameters of scripture and not academic influence. The earth's age will be debated forever but holding fast to Gods revealed evidence is the assignment to believers. We shoukd be able to give the argument for creation as well as salvation. This man simplified the scriptures which is what I believe God always desires.
The problem with arguing time, and time is not a constant, and time is relative to the observer, the entire conversation becomes meaningless for both sides of the arguments.
@@Yamyatos Your comment deserves a simple response. Speaking so adamantly about an unprovable theory such as uniformitarianistism, you must be brainwashed
@@knightclan4 Earth is old. That is a fact. There is no debate, nor a reason for one. We *know* earth is at least 4.5 billion years old. We may be wrong with the exact date, but it cannot be younger. If it's just about disproving a young earth.. pretty much every other field of science does that unintentionally. There simply is no evidence for a young earth whatsoever. Quite the opposite. Any evidence we ever found that has any relation to the age of .. anything, really.. points to stuff being old. We have *living* organisms older than the proposed YEC age of earth. Trees 5000+ years of age, sponges 10.000 years of age, and a tree grove that is on the lower end at least 80.000 years of age, but may be well over a million. People who believe in a young earth are literally on the exact same level of denial as flat earthers. These two delusions belong in the same bucket. If you reject one, but not the other, the issue is you. If you accept both on the other hand.. i dont think there is hope for you. Same with other topics btw. We *know* there was never a global flood, for example. Not just because there is no evidence for it, and many that contradicts it.. the whole goddamn idea is debunked even by fields you wouldnt think about. Genetics for example. If a flood killed all but two of all species / "kind", we would see genetic bottlenecks matching in both time and severity for all living organisms. Needless to say.. we dont. Many species have a genetic bottleneck. Not down to 2 individuals, and not all at the same time tho.
@@knightclan4 Earth is old. That is a fact. There is no debate, nor a reason for one. We know earth is at least 4.5 billion years old. We may be wrong with the exact date, but it cannot be younger. If it's just about disproving a young earth.. pretty much every other field of science does that unintentionally. There simply is no evidence for a young earth whatsoever. Quite the opposite. Any evidence we ever found that has any relation to the age of .. anything, really.. points to stuff being old. People who believe in a young earth are literally on the exact same level of denial as flat earthers. These two delusions belong in the same bucket. If you reject one, but not the other, the issue is you. If you accept both on the other hand.. i dont think there is hope for you. Same with other topics btw. We know there was never a global flood, for example. Not just because there is no evidence for it, and many that contradicts it.. the whole goddamn idea is debunked even by fields you wouldnt think about. Genetics for example. If a flood killed all but two of all species / "kind", we would see genetic bottlenecks matching in both time and severity for all living organisms. Needless to say.. we dont. Many species have a genetic bottleneck. Not down to 2 individuals, and not all at the same time tho.
The dumbing down was intentional. I got a degree in education and I was one of the few people who would ask questions. I went down the rabbit hole of the history of education and learned that there was a few wealthy people who had a lot to gain by making it the way it is today.
@@MrLogo73 - Here’s a fun little fact. You can have an illogical argument about something that is still true even if it’s not a good argument. It’s just not good evidence for the truth claim but it doesn’t make the truth claim itself less true.
@@boxelder9167 You're right about the illogical argument. But the one, who makes the claim, has to demonstrate, that it's true. He can not just assert, that it is. Even more so, the original comment on top wrote: "Problem is they will not present an opposing view . They want everyone dumbed down .." That is a conspiracy. And creationism, is not an opposing view. It's a conspiracy, nothing more.
Ive debated many on the subject. I wont mention God or the Bible, just scientific facts. The other person though will eventaully get mad, lash out, and bring God into the conversation 90% of the time.
@@stephentucker2714 the trouble with young earth is that the genealogies given in different books of the bible skip generations. And the early parts of genesis were god telling us about his creation, his love for us, and our disobedience. Yet despite all our disobedience god still loves us and allows us freedom still to choose. What it is not, is a scientific explanation from the universe. It talks about seperation of the water exposing the land. But doesn't bother explaining evaporation, air and clouds having huge amounts of water and that is the rain. Or Moses told to keep sick people seperate from the rest of the community, thousands of years before understanding germs. God didn't tell them about viruses and how these invisible things can make you sick. It's not a scientific text. It is a bunch of history showing us God's love and power.
@chrisoakey9841 absolutely! I personally believe in the young earth but, have heard many Christians explain why they don't. I don't see a problem with it as far as salvation goes at all despite how much many atheist want it to be a problem. I've been saying that for years! It's not meant to be a science book, but instructions for salvation and why we need it. I don't read a cook book to learn about physics, that doesn't mean physics doesn't exist based on the cook book.
@@stephentucker2714 if God can make the universe, he can make it look like it is at any stage of development he likes. But that is not the goal of the bible. Thanks for the comment.
@dougmasters4561 me too. I have cited numbers from the cdc. .5% for medical, 1% rape, 87% unmarried return customers. And that 97% of biologist call it life. BAM, I'm either a right wing extremist or a Christian extremist lol.
When I was in Bible college, one of the professors taught evolution. Even then, being a young Christian and somewhat Biblical illiterate, I thought that was STRANGE!!!
Millions and billions of years calls Jesus a Liar. Jesus while in the flesh on Earth verified the truthfulness of the scriptures and God can not lie. I can recall as a teen buying into the whole gap theory and millions of years. We had a family friend who was a great preacher when it came to preaching Gospel but he had no answers for the beliefs I had accepted. He just told me I was wrong and left.
No, help yourself. "Millions and millions" is folly and fantasy. Keep on deceiving yourself trying to wish away God. There is a dire accountability for life which you will face one day... enjoy your life and play games if you will
@Losttoanyreason why do think that an old earth denies the proof of God and scripture? I don't believe in an old earth based on the science. But over and over, I find that many atheist use this as a reason, yet many Christians do believe in an old earth so the defense doesn't seem to stand up to non belief
If the daughter product was dated it would just be younger than the parent isotope so the earth could be even older further disproving a young earth. 4:45 also, the energy industry actually relies on radiometric dating to locate where gas and oil is trapped underground by creating a “basin model”. If radiometric dating was inaccurate the energy supple would crumble.
Both things you said are not true. Radiometric dating, at best, can give you and upper limit for the age of a sample. Second, oil companies aren't dating rock samples to find oil. They are surveying the surface and subsurface looking for specific geologic features and patterns that are common where oil is found. Then they literally drill and look. Oil exploration is a very here and now discipline.
@TheAaronYost but they most definitely do lol.. "....microscopically examine drill debris to determine if they are in the target formation , typically coral/marine shells. This is not done for all wells but for exploratory and step-out wells ( expanding a field). Primary interests are gas/oil ratio, hydrocarbon/water ratio, sulfur level. Age is only of interest as it gives information of the other properties."
@@bryancollier704 Actually there's a simpler way to dismantle the stupidity of this argument that belief in a young earth means you can't find fossil fuels. Geologic age estimates are based on assumptions about the past and conclusions drawn from observable data. As long as you make consistent assumptions and draw consistent conclusions the actual age of the earth is completely irrelevant. If I consistently make the same assumptions and consistently draw the same conclusions based on the data, I will consistently find oil in the same places another person, making different, but consistent, assumptions and conclusions will, even if one of us is using incorrect assumptions and drawing incorrect conclusions.
Obviously the creation week was supernatural. It had to be for God to create everything that fast. Therefore science is never going to get it right. Only the bible explains what science cannot.
You are correct, but the presentation they gave could also be flawed. He's taking the 7 human days literally which is directly contradicting the Bible. 2 Peter chapter 3 verse 8 States Gods day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Taking this scripture literally would mean that at the end of creation, 7 thousand years would have already past. However this scripture only tells us that what man thinks is a long time is only a blink of the eye to God. It also guarantees us that we don't know what time period a day is to God. A thousand years, a billion years but definitely not 24 hours.
As a Christian who bases their faith on evidence, I would have to disagree with him on the one fundamental issue that there are always presuppositions to observation. That totally disregards agnosticism because if what he says is true, there is no such thing as agnosticism which I think is false because I was an agnostic for a few years and was looking for evidence that leads or strays from Gods existence and I can say that I did not have any presuppositions because I was strictly looking for the truth. If there are always presuppositions there can be no pursuit of real absolute truth; that pursuit does not exist because it will always be fallible. In a nutshell, I have found morality to not be relative for a number of reasons and there had to be someone to set those morals and everything doesn’t come from nothing, and life doesn’t come from non-life that’s too large of a leap of faith for me to believe. However, my decision on those issues did not arise from presuppositions that I had prior to my search for truth.
Hi Jesse as a Christian we should all believe by FAITH. BUT there are things in the Bible that we would like to know and understand . Like the age of the earth, No one knows but all i can tell you that the earth is more than 6000 years old. We have a time of human ( Adam) and the time of the dinosaurs and (?) before Adam. Were there life before that no one knows. This was a one way discussion, and i believe that this teacher is wrong. Most of these teachers will teach that the dinosaurs were in the ark but it is not so. That is what they get fed and with science the majority rule even in so called Christian teaching. The answer on dinosaurs are always that Noah let the babies on the ark. Just to think Noah went all over the earth to look for the babies. But GOD guided all animals to the ark. See with those groups if you do not stand with the leader you are out.Then is this teacher wrong YES he is.
Praise GOD for what CMI is doing. Thank God for leading us through Answers in Genesis and then through CMI, you set our faith on a firm foundation that cannot be moved. We study or record history because they cannot be repeated. In the same way the Bible give us an accurate history of HIS Story for our faith. If people want to talk about Long age, they will find it when Jesus Christ come again and HE set up HIS eternal age
Someone said "There is starlight coming from billions of light years away. Some galaxies we still see star light from don't exist anymore. That proves that the universe is billions of years old." But if the universe expanded from a single point, whether that starting point was God or the Big Bang, it stands to reason that the light from those objects also started from that same point. So even if those objects are millions of lightyears away now, when they were created they were much closer. Perhaps very close. So even if those stars are only a few thousand years old we would see them today
There is star light coming from billions of light years away. Some of the galaxies we still see star light from don't even exist anymore. That proves that the universe is billions of years old.
@@SheridanFalkenberry I read it. It throws around vague concepts and a few buzz words from physics, but doesn't really answer the question. The center of the Milky Way has a black hole around which stars otbit in a very peculiar way consistent with the way predicted by general relativity. If God fabricated this light and directed it at us, then he falsified a detailed historical record and thus, is guilty of lying. There's just no wiggling out of this. The Bible is a collection of lies, just like all of the other religions. We evolved from ape-like creatures, and when we die, we're going to stay dead. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
@@whitney9844 It was the starting point of the light when it was emitted billions of years ago. Thus, the universe is vastly older than 6000 years, thus, the Bible is dead wrong.
@@vlatkosurlan545 try to pour water or freeze water over a rock for a few days. Measure it scientifically. See how much you can erode from it. Even better, you can take a small rock and pour hundreds of gallons on it. Simulate the great flood. You will NOT achieve grand canyon level results in a few days, my friend. You will not be able to skim a milimeter off of that rock. Weathering takes a long time.
@@adriel1478 Grand canyon's missing infill was not a solid when it was eroded. It was soft mud deposited after the upheaval of the Great flood which is evident from the fact that there is absolutely no deposits at the exit of the canyon which would be absolutely impossible if it was eroded from hard rock over long time periods. Evolution is a dumb lie designed for printing militant atheists which falls apart wherever you touch it. Since you want to be all scientific about it, which I don't believe, I think you just want to be an atheist at any cost, tell me how is it possible that there is absolutely no evidence of erosion anywhere between the layers in the Grand canyon? There was no rain for millions of years? No plant growth, no wind?
فَلَۤا أُقْسِمُ بِمَوَاقِعِ النُّجُومِۙوَإِنَّهُ لَقَسَمٌ لَوْ تَعْلَمُونَ عَظ۪يمٌۙ إِنَّهُ لَقُرْاٰنٌ كَر۪يمٌ I swear by the locations of the stars (and their falling). It is indeed a very great oath, if you but knew. Most certainly it is a Qur’ān (recited) most honorable. (Al-Wāqi‘ah 56:75-77)
If such a flood had happened 4500 years ago when the pyramids were being built, the Egyptian wouldve been wiped out and history would be very different.
@@PaulDormody you are under the assumption that the pyramids weren’t built yesterday and made to look 4500 years old. See, the problem is your assumptions are wrong 😁
Thank you for these episodes, they really close the deal of a God, who through his love has shown his mercy and grace through his only begotten son, the Lord Jesus Christ the Righteous. The Good News will make an Episcopalian jump and shout !!!
*_Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)_* *_Eph _**_5:10_**_ Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord._* *_Eph _**_5:11_**_ And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them._* *_- KJB_*
God is allowed to offer a deceptive alternative to the truth. He did it in Eden, He did it by allowing other gods to be worshipped, and He does it with the concept of salvation. If we don’t take God at His word, we lose every single time.
So basically God is offering a choice. Scam artists don’t tell you the truth and then provide an alternative. Everyone is faced with choices where they know they shouldn’t do something but do it anyway because they think it will benefit them (and often that choice makes things worse). And trying to judge God isn’t a great idea. Read Romans 9.
@@readtruth6670 I cannot judge an entity whose existence has never been shown. My comment should have been more judiciously phrased: "So basically, if a god exists, he must be a scam artist."
You can pass judgment on whatever you want, real or not. People do it all the time. But seriously, read Romans 9 (honestly, read the whole book of Romans, because It basically sums up the entire Christian theology). Even if you don’t believe it, it would benefit you to be aware of it.
How old was Adam when he was created? He was 0 years old. How old did Adam look? Probably about 30 or 40 years old. How old was the universe when God created it. It was zero years old. How old did the universe look when it was created? It was as old as God needed it to look to function.
Ah, the timeless conundrum of divine age manipulation. It's a fascinating concept that requires some impressive mental gymnastics to reconcile with scientific realities. So, if I understand correctly, Adam was created as a full-grown adult but with zero years of existence under his belt, and the universe was created with the appearance of age but with a birth certificate that reads "Day 1." It's like the ultimate cosmic magic trick, where God says, "Let there be light... and a fully formed universe with all the bells and whistles!" But hey, who needs consistent laws of nature and observable phenomena when you've got divine intervention? I guess when you're the author of reality, you get to bend the rules however you see fit. Just remember, when you start blurring the lines between appearance and reality, it can make for some interesting philosophical debates, if nothing else.
@@lawrencehalpin6611 First of all, that has no bearing on whether or not you are right. Second, if some OTHER religion is wrong then "well that would not be good for you.", so that doesn't save you anyway. And finally, NO you do NOT have a better life. You have a lie that you have CHEAPENED by believing that all of this planet is just a place to wipe your feet before you go to your heaven, and people like me suffer for all eternity, and YOU BELIEVE I DESERVE IT. Right?
A long time is not necessary when God made the universe ex nihilo (out of nothing). Everything was made for mankind to have dominion over and mankind appeared 6,000 yrs ago ...so bingo.
@@TrustInJesusChrist-John3.16 not by 294000 years though. 20% margin of error is allowed for. The earth is not young. Science has proven it time after time. The bible is not an accurate history of time no matter how often creationists try to change the data to suit their narrative
Yeah, if Darwin's model of macro evolution is correct, then it not only negates the book of Genesis, but it guts the very plan of salvation. Romans 5 suddenly becomes gibberish, specifically, and much of the Scriptures must then be reinterpreted or striken out altogether. If by one man sin did NOT enter the world, nor death by sin, then how does one man, Jesus, take our sin away and save us from it? The beautiful logic of it all is just trashed, and I believe that such was indeed the intent behind those who, before Darwin, began promoting the idea of billions of years and of macro-evolution.
Science is entirely neutral when it comes to religion. It doesn't make decisions based on religion. It makes decisions based on facts and evidence. It has no preconceived notions. It follows the evidence where it leads. Religion has a preconceived notion. It only except evidence that it approves of and disregards evidence that it disapproves of. You will note that the top experts in their field, and many branches of science, for many different religions, can agree on the evidence. The only people who disagree or people who hold a fundamentalist religious view and they feel their view is threatened. Religion and science or two different things. Scientific discovery should not be biased by religious beliefs.
I think there is also an understanding to acknowledge. In job, God allows the suffering, thus perhaps allowing it in His “will”. I think, whether we like it or not, God is in control and sometimes those sufferings are for a reason and that reason seems to be to point to and glorify him through suffering. Saying cancer was made by sin makes it seem like God had not control and that “sin” had the control. Can we accept that God did allow or even orchestrate the suffering? Suffering isn’t “evil” so we can’t say God allowed evil, but he does allow suffering. Gods answer to job has enormous weight and meaning.
25:24 How can you hold a belief that discredits God's character and is contradictory to the Gospel, yet say they are still Christians? That doesn't make sense to me. You can't be a Christian and go against God. Period.
Ions decay from atoms of rocks and other sediments. This rate of decay can be measured using mathematics. These measurements have reached over 4.5 billion years. These are facts.
@chrismartino3519 Yeah, creationist scientist is an oximoron because to be a scientist and try to prove God, then you must first denounce him. You can't assume a conclusion before you've even started. Now I can believe in God and know (to an extent) that the universe is bliions of years old. God exists outside of time and space so how's he gonna explain billions of years and complex chemical processes to people who haven't even developed toilet paper yet 😅
@@chrismartino3519 decay rates start with assumptions as to the quantity that was in the artefact when it started to decay. Those assumptions are incorrect and the other problem is the assumption that decay rates are always consistent. There are reasons to believe they are not at all consistent in the past. You need to go and do some more research of the creationist literature to understand the argument.
My uncle is a devout Christian a professor and a worldwide expert in nuclear fission track dating. He says it’s impossible for the world to be 6000 years old. The evidence against is overwhelming.
All wisdom only comes from the bible, we can have expertise in extrabiblical matters and still be a fool. To be clear, I'm not at all calling your uncle a fool, just stating plainly that one's accolades outside of biblical truth are meaningless and not a marker of wisdom at all.
To beleve in evolution over creation is to say God is not all powerful and basically you take God completely out of the picture. Satan didn't cause Adam and eve to comit some horrible act, he simply got the to question Gods word. God is all powerful and he created us in his image. Thank you for doing these videos.
Satan is the morally virtuous character in the Christian story and god is the maniac. Satan never lied in the bible and was always honest. God in the bible lies, order mass murder, committs mass murder and condones slavery. Have you ever considered that history (in this case the bible) is written by the victors and that the character you call god is actually the evil victor and that satan is the ally of mankind?
You assume that everyone that understands evolution is a real thing is not a Christian. You are quite wrong, and are not giving God the credit he is due for all the time and effort he put into creating it all.
To all my brothers and sisters in CHRIST! Just remember EVERY KNEE WILL BEND,AND EVERY HEAD WILL BOW ✝️🙏 There will always be deniers until HE COMES AGAIN,AND WHEN HE DOES THEY WILL KNOW THEY ARE FINISHED!!!
The difference between a religious worldview and a naturalistic worldview, naturalists form their worldview according to observation. Religious people attempt to fit their observations into their preconceived beliefs.
@@Jlius OK, I’ll play! If you really believe your statement, then how do you know some random dude didn’t get bored and write the Bible? You didn’t see anyone write it 🤷♂️
@Jeff.Paborada what changed in humans from 6000 years ago that caused them to start writing? That makes no sense. In an evolutionary standpoint, humans from 6000 years ago would be identical to today's humans.
Your very existence is true to reality. God made mankind in the image of God (men and women both bear this image) and special above all other creatures. We have been given authority & dominion over the earth and over all the other creatures. Unlike the plants, trees, aquatic animals, birds, and land animals, we are unique, distinctively different. This does not mean that humans physically look like God. Rather, men and women reflect God in their ability to love, reason, and make intelligent decisions. We also have free will and the capacity to make moral decisions, in contrast to the other creatures. We are the highest of all creatures/life forms. And As the apex of creation, we were made to reflect the Lord’s character and attributes in this world.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE debate an old earth evolutionary geologist or paleontologist on the trustworthiness of radiometric dating. Your arguments sound powerful when unchallenged, but they could be devastating if they stand up against a critic.
there is evolutionist who turned to young earth theory by their observations and scientific work turned based on that to belive that there is The God. Everything is assumptions what carbon dating is doing. Labs have done fossils within days with molecular picture within 100% similarity.
Why don't you look into Ukrainian labs z-pinch experiments? They did that on SFT and it's really interesting. 1st when the use plasma and make heavy radioactive isotopes the parent daughter ratios fall out like we see around us today. It is one of the better bits of evidence against radiometric dating. There are others who did comparisons of radiometric dating and found out no they don't always agree. That testing heavier elements gives you far older ages and the lighter ones give you far younger ages. Take all that and compare it to soft tissue in fossils? They have had well over 200 finds now in supposed strata that dated from 65 million to 500 million years old. Yet there have been so many tests in forensics showing those protiens can't last a million years. Yet they will swear up and down some Dino from this strata is dated at over 65 million years. Yet soft tissue absolutely disproves that and puts a cap on of less the 10k years. Ultimately there is all the proof you need out there to prove radiometric dating is flawed. You just have to look. The guys getting paid to date that rock are not going to tell you there may just be a problem with there results.. lol good luck
I have been a Christian for many years and could not even speak about evolution theory but it became too hard to just ignore it . Isn't it possible that God used the evolutionary process to make everything. The Bible has so many issues. The Ark for example can be torn apart extremely easily scientifically.
@@Jerlynvins my man. Let me ask you a question. Can a cat ever become a dog. Or can a pigeon ever become a shark ? Answer is clearly no. But one more thought for you is, how many times do you need to wash your clothes in the washer for them to be perfeclty folded inside ? In infinite amount of times that clothes can never be folded, ever. So in these 2 thought process you can cleary see that there is a creator. And believe me our God is great.
Even from a "scientific" perspective it wouldn't be possible to use evolution as the process for everything. There's a lot more evidence for a young Earth than old, most of it is either suppressed or ignored. Or in many cases dismissed through ad hominem attacks. Spike Psarris has a great series that covers Astronomy. Nathaniel Jeanson has an incredible series on human DNA and what it reveals. Immanuel Velikovsky does a great job of dealing with historic accounts and their meaning. There are many more, these are some of my favorites. You'll see a lot of attacks against their character and general dismissiveness of their findings but little detail and no hard evidence. Look into it for yourself and then make a more informed judgement on the matter.
If you think the Bible has "so many issues" you've not researched it enough. And the research on DNA has effectively proved Neo Darwinism totally false.
@@whoswho6641no offense but you make no sense here. The difference in DNA between a cat and dog is quite small. Furthermore I have no idea what you mean about washing clothes and what that has to do with evolution.
If you read the beginning of the Bible it only takes a few verses before God says, Let there be light, on day one. You'll notice the Earth is already there, so was water. Before light.
@@LookOutForNumberOne There is no difference on your side either. You make assumptions and then want to convert them to solid, verified proof out of thin air. You need to freshen up on your logical fallacies.
Take the Bible literally. If you claim to be a Christian you MUST believe the Word of Yahuah. AIG picks and chooses what they believe from the Bible. Let Yahuah be true and every man a liar, that includes every scientist. I do appreciate this man’s literal age of the earth. Kudos for the approach to this topic.
I have a question. What is AIG? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. I don't have an opinion about the age of the earth. I don't pick and choose what I believe but I do try to learn about the type of literature I am reading, what the author intended to communicate, and any linguistic nuances that could alter my understanding.
I like to ask, 'Which is older, evolution or the big bang'? Usually, the answer is the big bang, but the correct answer is evolution as it began in 1859 A.D., whereas the Big Bang exploded on to the scene in 1931 A.D..
What is the point you are trying to make as to whether evolution or the big bang is older? *Reply to:* _"I like to ask, 'Which is older, evolution or the big bang'? Usually, the answer is the big bang, but the correct answer is evolution as it began in 1859 A.D., whereas the Big Bang exploded on to the scene in 1931 A.D.."_
@@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 I find it somewhat amusing that there are people alive on the earth today that are older than the big bang. Also somewhat amusing is that God declares the end from the beginning, whereas man declares the beginning from the end. Indeed, His ways are not our ways and our ways are not His ways. It is possible to show that the big bang theory itself is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. And thanks for the question, I had to spend time thinking about it.
*@glenngraham8513* Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate you took time to think about it. Much appreciated. If you believe evolution began in 1859 AD and the Big Bang began in 1931 AD, do you also believe gravity began in 1687 AD when Newton wrote about it in his _Principia?_ If gravity only began in 1687, why did the Ancient Romans need to use nails to hang Jesus Christ on the cross? Or did gravity exist when Jesus Christ was hung on the cross, even if the Ancient Romans didn't have a word for gravity? *Reply to:* _"I find it somewhat amusing that there are people alive on the earth today that are older than the big bang. Also somewhat amusing is that God declares the end from the beginning, whereas man declares the beginning from the end. Indeed, His ways are not our ways and our ways are not His ways. It is possible to show that the big bang theory itself is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. And thanks for the question, I had to spend time thinking about it."_
*@glenngraham8513* Additionally, I am quite curious which prophet prophesied about the "big bang theory itself"? Do you have the biblical book and verse where this prophecy was made? Thank you in advance. *Reply to:* _"It is possible to show that the big bang theory itself is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy."_
@88Padilla Things change and do not die, but living organisms die, and according to the theory of evolution, species change into other species through succeeding generations - requiring death.
@@TrustInJesusChrist-John3.16 no, they change in the process of living through enviromental change, not dying. Those changes only become apparent in later generations, but the change has already happened internally. The environment affects and changes our DNA.
@@TrustInJesusChrist-John3.16Species don't 'change into' other species. That would be transform-o-lution, not evolution. One group of organisms splits into two groups, which decrease in their ability to interbreed. Morphology is also not suddenly poofing into existence out of the blue. Already existing features are being reused for a different purpose and are being refined for that new use.
@MrLogo73 I said that according to the theory of Evolution (which is a lie) species evolve into other species. It's called speciation, stated by scientists as "fact". There is only a certain degree of adaptation evident within any given species. Scientists won't accept that because they'd have to accept an intelligent Creator created the species to start with.
I WANT the Earth to be old but i don't NEED it to be . What bothers me is this carbon dating thing , the scientist seem to be pretty adamant that it's accurate. is it ?
@@SheridanFalkenberry thanks, i made a mistake in my comment, i meant to say i want the earth to be young, not that it matters , nothing will shake my faith in Christ !1
The moment the star was turned on, all the history of this dome from beginning to end was seen and done. We all are just playing it all out at all times at the same time...
Oh my gosh! This is SOOOO BAD. I don’t even know where to begin. This is why we loose so many young people after they begin to think for themselves. This is embarrassing as a Christian. This is so sad.
You can trust God's word. I had to ask myself ,23 years ago, " if I believe Jesus turned water into wine, raised the dead,has power over the weather, the miracles of Moses in Exodus; why don't I just trust that God made everything just as He said He did, until dogmaticly proven otherwise?" Stepping out in faith and researching as much information as I could find on the topic ,my faith has grown exponentially. Believing in the biblical account doesn't hurt anyone, really. It may be personally embarrassing to be ridiculed by people for your beliefs, but isn't that what Jesus said is actually part of being Christian? I suggest checking out what the men in the bible believe. Jesus, Paul, Peter, Moses, for example, all refer to Genesis as history. God bless.
@@IronMatt You said it correctly: "If I believe....." Anything you want can come out of believing something. You can trust that god made everything etc. If you believe it, in your mind it is true.
That is entirely wrong. Evolution starts with the presumption that there is no Creator God. It was a scheme to show it was plausible that the universe created itself. It is not plausible, in fact. Yet those who were willing to believe it latched onto it so they could avoid dealing with the God of the Bible.
Carbon dating contradicts the actual measurements of time. God can be able to make a grown tree overnight ( see the stories of Jonah). Earth is not that billion years old.
How many radiometric dating labs request an estimated date/age for the item(s) from the client when the item(s) is submitted? I know that some do, but I am curious as to a percentage, or under what circumstances this is requested.
That’s the arrogance of believing that we know better than what was written and none of that book contradicts itself anywhere. God is mighty and powerful and is certainly capable of creating a world that looks very old and seems very old to test our faith. When you think of it with true faith it actually makes perfect sense.
Ackshully... God created the whole Universe, the Earth, and all living creatures including Human Beings, memories and all, fully intact, five minutes ago. Prove me wrong.
This is actually reasonable. Saying the Earth is any age and everything before that was invented by the Devil, including memories, is as sound logically as Young Earth.
@@mighty4371 Are you designed or a random? Do you have ears where under your feet or hands in your belly? I guess you think nothing made everything. But that is your worldview. Know this, your sins are yours and Christ died for your sins.
You're saying that as if though are innocent little truth seekers who have nothing but the best for humanity at heart when the exact opposite is true - they are mostly sinners who detest the very idea that they are responsible to a supreme moral arbiter. Being so shocked that they keep failing to find the Truth is like being shocked that a man who murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters fails to tell the cops the truth (see Christopher Lee Watts).
If Mark Harwood gets cancer, you better believe he is gonna try to get the best doctors with the best science to help him. He will not use a priest to be cured.
@@cliveadams7629 while your small discoveries may prove logical results that doesn't mean when you see the bigger picture that you actually understood what you were dealing with at all
" History is separate from science" is a wrong asumption. Archéologie, geologie, paléontologie, antropologie are all containing refutable evidences leading to a scientific consensus . Consensus mean heavy debate until scientists agreed to recognize a reality that anyone could challenge before being established... bible can t be challenged 😂. Evidence based never win against believer . They don t look to evidences always. The mind is locked 🔒 .
05:10 "History trumps Science?" [unquote]. Shalom! 🌈😇🥳 Well, little children, that "question" (or statement - "history trumps science") is in fact "impossible:" For accurate or real/true science is indeed real accurate history also, Amen. JOHN 8.32; 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 etc. HalleluYAH! Peace/Shalom 📖⚖💎💪💝🌈😇🥳🙌🙏
The level of delusion of young earth creationists is beyond comprehension of all rationale thinking people. How can you place mythological writings above scientific evidence?
in the bible it says fred flintstone had a dinosaur as a pet.... need i say more, there comes a point when you have to ask yourself, should i disuade really really ''vulnerable'' people of a benevolent god and a happy afterlife for all the good christians who thankfully chose the correct religion. i've met a few psychos who flat out admitted if they didnt believe in jesus they be out killing everyday........
The Grand Canyon, to me, is one of the easiest pieces of evidence for the Biblical narrative. Any geologist worth his salt will not argue that the canyon is showing millions of years of erosion. Rather, he admits there is, instead, signs of rapid explosive water erosion, which is proven by the water angles shown in the layers themselves. Each layer shows proof that they were quickly dumped on top of one another, and you never observe the layers being mixed together. The stark walls are clear signs of catastrophic water erosion, NOT excessively slow erosion.
@@chickbowdrie4750 like the melting of glacial ice caps....
The layers _do not_ show proof they were quickly dumped on top of each other. Where did you read that?
The are several layers of limestone in the Grand Canyon, interspersed with shale and various kinds of sandstone. They very top layer -- when not eroded away -- is limestone.
There is nothing _quick_ about the formation of limestone.
There is no known process whatever that has so many different _kinds_ of rock formation happening during a supposed global flood, especially jumbled up like they are and yet stratified as they are. So, claim whatever you want, you have no proof and won't impress geologists until you do. Just squeezing the presumed floodwaters out of all that rock is not fast in itself.
Also, there's the Coconino sandstone. Despite strident and inaccurate objections from creationists, the formation is ancient sand dunes. That is, they were deposited on land with no flood waters or any other kinds of waters involved. The fossilization there suggests land, not marine as well. It's a layer in the middle of the rest somewhere.
The fossils in the Canyon, as everywhere else, are impossibly stratified -- exactly contradicting what would happen if it was all rapidly deposited in a flood. This has been understood since the late 18th century. Fossils are way too regular in their nature for flood deposition.
As for erosion, have you actually been there? There's a lot of very sharp structures, the exact opposite of what a catastrophic global flood should produce. Turbulent flooding would round, not sharpen.
Here's another simple puzzle -- why are the layers in the canyon so many different colors? The colors imply chemical differences in how the rocks were formed -- I am sure the geological story is complicated and detailed, but even a layperson can see that there are very different chemistries involved in the various layers even before considering the types of rock. How does that work, and stratify, in the context of a global flood? It doesn't.
I don't know why creationists spend so much time on the canyon -- it is a terrible place to ply one's creationist trade. Way, way, way too many problems, way too many hand-waved not-solutions.
@@FrankBoduch well, no, I'd say that's a different subject altogether.
Not a single shred of evidence or even a logical idea supports what you're saying. You're wrong You've always been wrong and you'll always be wrong.
You said, "Any geologist worth his salt will not argue that the canyon is showing millions of years of erosion. "
I'm guessing you're a geologist. You wouldn't be able to make that claim otherwise. Where did you study geology and what was your chosen career path?
It matters! When I was on my journey to Christianity, I was having issues believing in the Bible as a God inspired book. On a fluke, I ended up at a little church in Savannah, Georgia, where I was visiting friends for the first time. That weekend they had a guest speaker, pastor Paul Viet, the dino pastor. He went through the Bible with a fine tooth scientific comb, explaining dinosaurs, fossil records and all the issues with evolution. He gave me exactly what I needed, when I needed it. That pushed me over the edge, and the whole improbability of that weekend blew my mind. That was back in 2007 and is one of my favorite memories of this path to believing.
Hi if there teaching were about dinosaurs in the ark. Then my brother i think you read the Bible your self and ask GOD for revelation.
@richardplaatjies7680 maybe you should actually read the bible more. they didn't start calling them dinosaurs until the 1900s. Look up Job 40:15-24. There's your dinosaur.
@@stevebone88 Hi it is good to know that you know what i am talking about, behemoth or dinosaurs it is the same thing. But this does not change the fact that this teacher is wrong in his teaching.
II Timothy 4: 03 - 04
Shalom
@@stevebone88oh wow, it just goes to show you. You can fool anyone that wants to be fooled
Honey, you are being the example of that.@@EnumaElish200
The universe is under no obligation to make sense to humans.
That is one of the best comments I've seen from anyone, particularly in regards to the discussion of Earth's origins. It goes perfectly with Proverbs 3:5-6.
I'm not sure what to believe exactly when it comes to the age of the Earth, but I do believe one thing for sure - that our Father in Heaven created it - whether as a young Earth or as an event millions of years ago with evolution unfolding as a result... I believe without doubt that it was done by God in the manner in which He intended with His infinite wisdom, regardless of what we mere mortals think is the case.
Afterall, we humans don't have the best track record when it comes to getting things right. We should have some humility as a result. So thank God for His grace and mercy! ✝
yes He is. He put me here
@thomast626
Forgive me, but you seem to accept the 'possibility' of evolution.
God said, specifically, how He did it.
Evolution declares God to be a liar.
@@thomast626 The Bible clearly says ... follow & obey God not Man ... and the Universe as created over ... 4 x 24 hr days ....5994 years ago, before an ALL KNOWING God created the Sun & Solar system and put Earth into its orbit creating the day & night, morning & evening, and year.
The Universe is less than 6000 years old.
And if you actually understood the scientific method you would have easily figured out the evidence of Creation.
You can’t give human characteristics to an inanimate object. The “universe” can’t have “obligations “.
Well, when God created Adam, he wasn't a baby. He was fully grown. So, to us, the Earth is billions of years old, but God created it instantly and made it ready for our use. People need to stop putting limits on what God can do.
You may be interested to read our article:
→ God created with functional maturity, not ‘appearance of age’ - creation.com/is-apparent-age-biblical
What an interesting point , this way the earth can be both 6,000 years old and billions of years old. in other words, God made a new thing but He made it out of billions year old material.
Not putting limits on God with the exception that He cannot lie.
He said he flooded the earth recently and according to scripture, He created make and female in the beginning. So, it really does make a difference in order to not have blind Faith.
No sensible person believes the Adam and Eve story. You can believe that that God made incest OK but the rest of the world find it abhorrent
@@paul-u2y9y No, He didn't. He created all things within 6 days a little over 6000 years ago. God Himself states this clearly in Exodus 20:11. And again in Exodus 31:17.
He makes clear even everything in Heaven was made in the 6 days. The beginning in Gen 1 is the beginning of all things. If there was material billions of years old, there would have to be another beginning to account for it, and thus God would have spoken in error in Gen 1:1; "In the beginning.......
The fact that these thick sedimentary layers also include many monoclines and synclines and folded rocks means all these layers had to be ductile in order to curve at the same time. Creationists have done microscopic analysis of these curved layers and have shown that they are no different than the horizontal layers of the same stratum. That blows away the whole idea of an evolutionary geological column. In addition, it blows away the validity of radiometric determinations in dating these rocks.
The stratigraphic column consists of different strata.
@@MrLogo73 with no transition layers ... just as there aren't any transitions forms proving Evolution.
Natural & Unnatural (breeding) Selection was known back in the 1850's ... to only cause variation or adaption within a species.
We know today mutations never creates new genes with new traits.
Because Universal Functions ... is the Hypothesis for Sir Issac Newton's Watchmaker Analogy over 300 years ago and all machine Analogies.
Evolution, Abiogenesis and Big Bang fail the scientific Method and should have been relegated to ... fantasy.
Whereas Universal Functions easily passes the scientific Method ... becasue space, time, Laws of Nature, matter & energy ... are clearly natural Funcitons ... with information like purpose, reason, rules, properties, processes & design ... which can only come from the Mind of an Intelligence.
Well said mate
No. Absolute lunacy. These frauds are trying to fit the moon through the eye of a needle.
@@MrLogo73 And?
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01:27 *🔬 Scientific Evidence Interpretation*
- Scientific evidence is interpreted in alignment with preexisting beliefs.
- Science is limited in illuminating historical events due to its focus on observable, repeatable processes.
- Assumptions and beliefs play a crucial role in interpreting the evidence presented.
05:15 *📜 Role of History in Understanding the Past*
- History often trumps science when it comes to addressing historical matters.
- Different belief systems and worldviews influence how individuals interpret scientific data.
- Understanding the history one believes in is critical when determining the age of something.
21:49 *🧭 Death and suffering as a result of rebellion against God*
- Death and suffering came from our rebellion against God, not from Him.
- God's love is shown through sending Jesus to pay the price for sin and suffering.
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- Sedimentary layers and fossils do not align with the claimed vast periods of evolutionary time.
- Rapid sedimentation and fossilization contradict the slow processes of evolutionary timelines.
- Lack of evidence for elapsed time between layers supports rapid formation of sedimentary rocks.
33:40 *🕰 Issues with radiometric dating methods*
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- Excess argon complicates accurate dating and calls the whole process into question.
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43:59 *🦕 Soft tissue and DNA challenges*
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- DNA decay analysis shows it doesn't support ancient age claims
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47:20 *🧬 Carbon 14 in dinosaur bones*
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- Scientific journal states radiocarbon dating in bones is inaccurate
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@@PTHastings That's a handy tool. Do you find it to be accurate?
I have autism and OCD, for me to u derstand something I have to take it apart in minute detail. So looking into this and other Christian things has made my faith deeper and strong as when I look it is like looking into the mind of God, in my humble option.
In the beginning God created the Heaven (freezing cold void) and the Earth (spherical ball of water)
In parentheses is what we see today
The verse 2 describes the only thing created so far ..other than the space to put it.. science is importance so verse 3 was extremely important because the light spectrum allows for freezing and Heating.
The next verse is where God places the atmosphere between the ice and the Seas.. the pressure formed by this process allowed the insects to grow huge and in fact because of the inverse Square law, that atmosphere was absolutely necessary for the size of fossils we have in the fossil record.
And finally, everything was Leviathan in those days, or huge... because of the atmosphere people and animals lived long and got real big.. but God was mad at man and removed the ice which in turn caused the flood..
when the ice was removed.. all of the vegetation and animals began receiving the radiation that is looked for by the age dating tests.
That's Peter's World standing inside and outside of water verse❤.
. That's what we will learn ..that's how he did it.😅
Mythtrekker610, You missed one small detail to take apart. Why can't anyone demonstrate a god even exists using ANY objective demonstrable evidence? Why are people relegated to trying to define an imaginary being into existence?
I love Dr. Hardwood's no compromise no negotiation stance on the Word of God - even if it doesn't make sense it's still the Word of God and it's our understanding that needs to be corrected. That's how believers are supposed to approach God's Word. His thoughts are far above our own. There must be an element of faith - accepting Him as True even if it doesn't make sense because we have experienced Him. That's what most skeptical believers need - an actual encounter with Jesus. When that happens you will believe the Word of God especially when it doesn't make sense 😅
Of course, it's easy to say something doesn't make sense, especially when no examples are provided. But you know what doesn't make sense? To believe that if we're all just the product of an accident, and all of our thoughts are just electro-chemical reactions that we should expect anything to make sense. The atheistic universe has no rational basis for logical thinking. For you to expect something to make sense is to borrow from the Christian worldview because only the Christian worldview can provide a rational basis for logic.
So even when it's wrong it's right because it's in the bible? Rather a silly argument. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. Science has proven this using many different methods. To simply deny it because it's not in the bible is ridiculous because the bible is not a science book.
It says in the Bible "The only way to God is through me (Jesus)" and yet the preacher says any faith will do contradicting the Bible. There are something like 3000 different Faith's....... any God capable of creating the Heavens and the Earth would surely be capable of communicating his instructions without relying on the scribings of relatively primitive men ? 🤷♀️
For millennia, it was people's "no compromise, no negotiation stance on the word of god" that killed so many innocent people by refusing to see that it is germs and not sin or miasma or evil spirits which cause illness. That is why thinking rational people reject that stance.
If something doesnt make sense, then either the author was an idiot, or incompetent at writing comprehensible statements. Not sure which is better. But ask yourself this.. you are an omniscient being.. why on earth do you write so much nonsensical stuff, if you, and only you, know exactly what words would convince everybody. Why are most people not convinced then? Further, why is so much of the stuff you wrote obviously wrong or contradicting? Maybe, just maybe.. it wasnt an omniscient being who wrote it, but desert dwelling, superstitious people.
I believe I was saved before I became a young earth creationist but the Holy Spirit brought me to a love of the truth and I was overjoyed to find Ken hams ministry in lockdown. Fast forward to today and I’m reading through John with my atheist friend whose main objection is the scientifically held age of the earth and its contradiction with Gods word. It’s important work that you’re doing, God bless you.
That's great that he is willing to engage with you! Prayers for you and your friend
@@SheridanFalkenberry thank you, your prayers are very much appreciated. She was in a coma a couple of years ago and we were told she wasn’t going to make it. We prayed for her and she miraculously woke up and recovered, now she’s seeking God. one of her stumbling blocks is the age of the earth and evolution. I think people find it hard to accept they’re whole world view is not true but we keep praying and presenting her with the truth.
@@caronbryan9612 Patient endurance in effect. Keep teaching your friend the truth. God is able to overcome the programming we received in state run institutions.
Kent hovind is another great one
What does any of this have to do with anything?
Cats make cats cats, dogs make dogs. There are NO EXCEPTIONS. SUPPOSEDLY crocodiles haven't changed in millions of years. Why? They were and always will be crocodiles.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 how do you know it was a "bear-dog"? It made more of its own kind just like everything else.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 That is your interpretation of the creature, but our observation of the creatures that aren't extinct is that they all produce after their own kinds.
Ah, the "cats make cats, dogs make dogs" argument, a favorite among creationists and opponents of evolution. It's a simple yet flawed understanding of genetics and evolutionary biology.
While it's true that species reproduce within their own kind, the concept of speciation and evolution goes far beyond that simplistic view. Evolutionary processes like genetic mutations, natural selection, and environmental pressures lead to the diversification of species over time.
As for crocodiles not changing in millions of years, that's not entirely accurate. Crocodiles, like all living organisms, have undergone evolutionary changes and adaptations to survive and thrive in different environments. While they may appear similar to their ancient ancestors, they have indeed evolved over time, just at a slower pace compared to some other species.
So, while it's catchy to say "cats make cats, dogs make dogs," the reality is much more nuanced and complex, showcasing the wonders of evolution and the diversity of life on Earth.
Do you really want to hear the error in your understanding of science, or are you just cheerleading?
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go farmers rely on life producing after it's own kind.
Things change within their own pool. They do not skipper fish to other ponds over time. If you make that claim (which defies observation) you need to demonstrate, the cop out of Evolutionism is an appeal to time, that things Evolve so slow we can not observe. Unfalsifiable faith in that which has never been seen.
It matters when unsaved people are seeking answers.
As an ex-atheist, I 100% agree.
"God, if you are there, I need to know. I need to know what is true" I said as a teen and in my early 20s at least on three separate occasions.
In 1993 a friend tried to give the Gospel and he hit a wall. That wall came down we he shared with me a VHS on Mount Saint Helens, Evidence for Catastrophe. The ball was rolling toward a radical transformation.
People aren't saved just because they're Christians and believe the Bible wholly and unquestionably.
Science is entirely neutral when it comes to religion. It doesn't make decisions based on religion. It makes decisions based on facts and evidence. It has no preconceived notions. It follows the evidence where it leads. Religion has a preconceived notion. It only except evidence that it approves of and disregards evidence that it disapproves of. You will note that the top experts in their field, and many branches of science, for many different religions, can agree on the evidence. The only people who disagree or people who hold a fundamentalist religious view and they feel their view is threatened. Religion and science or two different things. Scientific discovery should not be biased by religious beliefs.
Yes, this is the problem with YEC. Hebrews 4:9-10 is clear. Have you entered into the 7th day as the Bible asks you to? In Genesis 2:4. The entire time span of God’s creative activity is called a “day”. So yes, Genesis tells us that the word day in Genesis is long time span. The events that happen on day 6 can not happen in 24 hours, too many events, must be a long time span.
@@djsarg7451 Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. God did not rest for millions or billions of years on day seven as an example to man to rest one day out of seven. The six days of creation had a morning and evening. Adam was made on day six and sometime later he sinned and death entered the world. There was no death before Adam The Bible clearly provides the genealogy of Adam to Jesus the Christ. Based on this timeline in scriptures the Universe and all therein was created only about 6,000 years ago.
The 6-day creation forms the basis for one of the Ten Commandments, which is the law that defines sin, from which we need to be saved. So don't tell me that this isn't a salvation issue!
According to Genesis, the Earth existed in some form before the creation of the Sun on Day 4. Which is scientifically false.
Why is the 6day creation the base for the 10 commandments? I don't know the relation
@@AdamIlluminati23 I was referring to the 4th Commandment, which is right in the middle of the others. It constitutes the "seal" of the Ten-commandment Law, as it identifies the Lawgiver and the basis of His authority. It contains the following words:
"For in six days the LORD [i.e. Jehovah] made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day."
Thus, this key Commandment does appear to be based on the events of creation week, and the authority of the Creator, who according to the New Testament is Jesus our Saviour.
@gordonandhollinewhite2214 oh yes of course! The 7th day🙈 you are right
The first time I heard the argument that the earth has to be young from a biblical perspective because otherwise there was death and suffering before the original sin I immediately became a young earth believer. I’ve always had faith ever since I was a child but it does strengthen my faith that the earth is a young creation.
Because otherwise you have the deist God. They wound up the universe and walked off.
@@TheogRahoomie 😂😂😂That's a good one! 😂😂😂 So you confirm that your interpretation is just based on a conclusion of you, not on biblical facts.
@@penoge first off do you have perfect theology? Second off I’ve heard people say who knows a day can be like a thousand years to good or vice versa so I was like ya ok maybe the earth was created in six god says whatever length of time that is. But I’m not interested in talking theology with a mocker.
The Earth doesn't have to be young from a biblical perspective. People in the Old Testament lived for hundreds of years. If humans of that time could almost reach a millenium how old do you think the Earth would be?
@@stephanfouche9208 From multiple lines of reasoning, The maximum age would be about twenty five to thirty thousand years. The limitations are length of history recorded, tree rings of dead trees, and the ratio of He4 to He3. Last is the amount of salt in the ocean gives a maximum age of around 100,000 years assuming that it started as fresh water with no salt washed off the land in the flood.
There I a difference between suffering and struggling. You suffer when you take a wrong route. Like criminal route. When you take a good route you will struggle to achieve a excellent result. Not easy to become a good doctor, pilot, etc. An excellent goal will always have an intense road. The struggle is a pleasure!!!
Dr. Harwood pointing out the difference between the scientific method (examination/evaluation of repeatable processes) and history (events that occurred in the past) makes. Also a person’s reference point. I agree in the infallibility of God’s word, hence my world view and reference points are bound to God’s word. Thank you Dr. Harwood.
Job 38:4-6 (KJV) Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
God bless you CMI 🙏🙏🙏✝️ We know that God's word is true and we also know Genesis 1 was written historically. Not metaphorically. Jesus also took the OT as literal. No reason for us to do any different today.
'Jesus also took the OT as literal. No reason for us to do any different today'. Really? Evidence please.
I like your choice of words: "no reason" to do any differently today. Those of us who choose to use our ability to reason have found good reasons to do differently. One reason, our explanations for natural phenomena actually explain. Another reason, our findings are backed up by tangible observable and verifiable evidence.
''We know that God's word is true'' No. You believe without evidence and AGAINST the evidence. In other words, you started with a conclusion that must be true no matter what while denying science.
@@razark9 Hurray!
No, its a copy of real Summer texts 😂
When I realised this truth 5 years ago. My life changed, thankyou Holy Spirit
Thank you Dr Harwood! I gave my life to Jesus 4 years ago, luckily I was surrounded by spiritually mature people who advised me to read my Bible and pray for Revelation. I remember going through the first chapter of Genesis thinking "there's no way I'll be able to finish this book, it's full of fairytales", but I carried on. The more I read and prayed, the more it made sense and I now believe as well. Giving one's life to Christ is only the beginning of the Christian journey, the renewing of the mind is the next step (Romans 12: 2), without it you couldn't possibly get it. "The unfolding of your words gives light;
it gives understanding to the simple" Psalms 119: 130.
Huge respect for this man. The depth of his passion, compassion, care and wisdom is impressive. He’s also compelling and incredibly articulate. At the end of the day, we have a choice. And yes, the scientific viewpoint points away from salvation. He has chosen faith and I respect that. The conundrum is real.
I watched an interview years ago with an expert of some kind, I can't remember if they were a geologist, but it was some very credible and experienced professional, who said exactly this. He was explaining how time lines could not be relied on, because after the big bang of creation, time was expediently faster than it is now. It slows as it expands. It makes a lot of sense. When I heard the first interview here, it concurred with his timeline also. He said modern man doesn't take the fact that time was so much faster when they account for timing in carbon dating etc. He was coming from a purely scientific point, not a Christian one btw..
@@EmilyW.isawakenotwoke so 6000 can be 4.6 billion, unbelievable
These people who say "Why does it matter?" are two types of people.
One type, are those who struggle with science and want an excuse to not educate themselves.
The other type are those who have idolitry in their heart. They want to be accepted by the world and the secular science community and don't want to put God's Word above man's.
I had one guy tell me that if believing in Christ required him to believe in the Genesis account of 6 literal days, then he would not be a Christian because the Bible is then wrong. His way of believing in Christ was that the Bible didn't violate his belief in an old earth. So, his belief in secular science is above his belief in Christ and the Word of God. That's idolatry.
But, these people don't admit they have idolatry in their hearts or that they have trouble following scientific concepts, so they pridefully dismiss the ministry of creation research. There are many who are following God's calling on their life to show how the world around us backs the Bible, but these types attack or arrogantly dismiss these callings.
And MANY of the people I know who had fallen away from Christ used science as one of the excuses.
One of the dangers of holding onto ancient beliefs is that when they are shown to be incorrect, that throws your faith into question. Many Christians accept the Earth is old and that life changed over time and they believe that God is in charge of all of that. Many Christians have accepted that the Earth is not 6000 years old. You can believe in modern science and still believe in God. Science does not attack religion. It just reveals the truth of how the world works. Galileo was thrown in prison and forced to recant his scientific discoveries because the church felt threatened. Science is not idolatry. It's an open-minded acceptance of the truth, and a realization that ancient texts are to be taken for the lessons they are teaching but not necessarily to be taken literally. If religion accepts science then you will see fewer people leaving religion. If it's a choice between reality or mythology, you're going to be losing believers. Probably better to accept scientific knowledge as understanding the truth of God's universe rather than rejecting data and evidence. If you're going to be like the people who forced Galileo to recant his discovery because you feel threatened, you're going to wind up losing believers.
On April 12, 1633, chief inquisitor Father Vincenzo Maculani da Firenzuola, appointed by Pope Urban VIII, begins the inquisition of physicist and astronomer Galileo Galilei. Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church. Standard practice demanded that the accused be imprisoned and secluded during the trial.
This was the second time that Galileo was in the hot seat for refusing to accept Church orthodoxy that the Earth was the immovable center of the universe: In 1616, he had been forbidden from holding or defending his beliefs. In the 1633 interrogation, Galileo denied that he “held” belief in the Copernican view but continued to write about the issue and evidence as a means of “discussion” rather than belief. The Church had decided the idea that the sun moved around the Earth was an absolute fact of scripture that could not be disputed, despite the fact that scientists had known for centuries that the Earth was not the center of the universe.
This time, Galileo’s technical argument didn’t win the day. On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order: “We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world.”
Along with the order came the following penalty: “We order that by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy Office during Our will and pleasure; and as a salutary penance We enjoin on thee that for the space of three years thou shalt recite once a week the Seven Penitential Psalms.”
Galileo agreed not to teach the heresy anymore and spent the rest of his life under house arrest. It took more than 300 years for the Church to admit that Galileo was right and to clear his name of heresy.
As someone who went through the pain of aquiring a masters degree, i can proudly claim that i do not have trouble following scientific concepts. As such i know that a young earth is simply impossible. Young earth creationism is absolutely on the same level as people claiming the earth is flat. Both parties managed to convince themselves that all the evidence that doesnt support their opinion must be wrong, and jump at every little crum they think is evidence for their case. In reality, both are delusional.
@@Yamyatos the one (fake) ace they have up their sleeve is relying on miracles (magic). Anything at all is possible if you give credence to miracles.
I don't believe in 6 literal days, who are you to say I'm not a Christian? How do we know that a day to us is the same as a day to the Lord? Doesn't it say that a day to us is like a thousand to the Lord in scripture? How do we know that eons didn't pass before each stage *day* of creation? Why is it that 6th day man was created before Adam, and differently like the animals? How long was it after the 6th day when Adam was created?
Addressing those who mock The Word is one of my favorite pasttimes.
42:45 we didn’t learn how to do agriculture till 10-6000 years ago, (generally consensus is 6, but gobekli tepe would suggest technology beyond hunter gatherers) so, that would cause the population growth rate to spike, and prior to that remain very small
I just saw the top of a very tall Mountain in BC and the ridge line was so narrow it was skinnier than a balance beam with a shear drop off on both sides near vertical, as soon as I saw it I thought, how can this not be warn down? I would say all pegmatite veins and mountains are the same age as my trees, 4200 yrs +/- 100 yrs
Hahahaha, thats hilarious 😂
I'm sure you've heard of the late Chuck Missler. He is a believer and asked his audience he was speaking to how many believed in a young universe and who believed in an old universe. The audience was mixed in their opinion. Chuck then said, "What if I told you it was both?"
But not even the strongest telescope looking out into the farthest reaches of the universe hold up the idea of an old universe. Even non creationist are unable to find evidence of an old universe.
I can imagine that God created an old universe/earth just like he created Adam and Eve in an adult mode or like Jesus made good wine that must be old to be good. Why not? Like you can build an earth that looks old in a computer game.
The Bible explains that God created the universe to appear old. @@an_nie_dyc1386
I love that this is a topic that is debated! I grew up just blindly believing in the Big Bang and billions of years. I just believed in evolution thinking it was just fact. I had so many questions because there were things that didnt make sense to me about evolution. And once I realized that there was another story out there about reality, everything made more sense. Almost to the point now where evolution looks like the fairy tale that people accuse creationists of believing.
It boils down to this…
Do you believe God’s word or man’s word. It’s absolutely 100% a heart issue.
@@christclinger6540 Jesus Christ to accuse actual science of being a fairy tale because you don’t understand it, and then go on to actually believe fairy tales is ridiculous.
First of all, who told you it was God's word? Men? Is it a fact, that God wrote those words, or just men? Come on mate, it's not hard to think and use a bit of "common sense".
I was the exact opposite born and raised Christian and then when I had questions about the world god and faith couldn’t answer I turned to science and hard tested answers and I’ve never looked back.
@@Vessel_Of_Light well, since there's no evidence of God. I suppose that's the best next thing
@@Vessel_Of_Light my evidence of God? What's the religion of abiogenesis. I'm not making such claims and What's your evidence?
I clicked this video so fast!!! Thank you CMI for opening my eyes to a world of creation!!
*@Baseball4lifer* What was the primary point that changed your mind from believing the earth is billions of years old to a position that the earth is 6000 years old?
*Reply to:* _"I clicked this video so fast!!! Thank you CMI for opening my eyes to a world of creation!!"_
who are these god squad speakers they keep wheeling in, and I'm being over polite when I call them speakers and I would only say one word to them, "DINOSAURS".
That is what normally happens to gullible people.
*@Baseball4lifer* What was the primary point that changed your mind from believing the earth is billions of years old to a position that the earth is 6000 years old?
*Reply to:* _"I clicked this video so fast!!! Thank you CMI for opening my eyes to a world of creation!!"_
*Note:* Just asking a second time in case my first attempt didn't make it through to you.
You are doing the Lords work fellas! It's much appreciated! These two episodes have deepened my faith immensely!!! God bless you ❤
Thanks guys. I love these chats. It confirms my belief in a young earth and gives me knowledge to share with my unbeleiving friends. It just makes so much sense 😊
Occam's Razor is the truth. The dating methods has been so much changed it is impossible to tell and each time before it changed it was said it was spot on.
People who believe in Genesis literally like this are extremely deluded. The standard yec arguments about assumptions with radiometric dating etc don't hold water given that different methods corroborate . Funny how they skip past their own massive assumptions based purely on faith that firstly their god actually exists and secondly that the Bible is inerrant and six days is God's word and not just the musings of whoever wrote it.
Deluded how? Name some legit assumptions. Maybe i can help you with those or give me some strong argument against the bible which could point out that it isnt accurate.
@@TheSnoopi8 I stated the assumptions in my post. Of course the Bible isn't accurate in a literal sense. For example no sane adult can take the noahs ark story as anything but a myth.
@@kernow343 Why do you think the ark story is myth?
I Believe Also That The Earth Is Not That Old And Their Is More History To Discover, The Powers Have Deterred Discovery And claimed It Themselves!
They will not and can not allow old earth to die, because it also ends the evolution fairy tale and they then left with creation and God. Some might say aliens seeding life, without the sense enough to ask how the aliens came to be.
@@buckjones4901the main point of that would be that the God of the Bible doesn't exist. Christians don't have a monopoly on God.
The measured data show, that the earth is at least 4.4 B years old.
Wilde, S. A.; Valley, J. W.; Peck, W. H.; Graham C. M. (2001-01-11). "Evidence from detrital zircons for the existence of continental crust and oceans on the Earth 4.4 Gyr ago". Nature. 409 (6817): 175-178.
Wyche, S.; Nelson, D. R.; Riganti, A. (2004). "4350-3130 Ma detrital zircons in the Southern Cross Granite-Greenstone Terrane, Western Australia: implications for the early evolution of the Yilgarn Craton". Australian Journal of Earth Sciences. 51 (1): 31-45.
The scientific Method (Function) developed mostly by Christians( intelligence) relies on fixed laws of Nature (functions) to explain natural phenomena (Functions) and is simply:
1. Observe
2. Hypothesis
3. Test & predict
4 Conclude
Evolution, Big Bang fail the scientific Method.
However Universal Functions from Machine Analogies ... easily passes the scientific Method.
Yall are the front lines…🙏🏻 wer with u in prayer
Not all that say to me in that day…..Lord, Lord…..
If you don’t believe what the Bible says you don’t believe God….
@@adelinomorte7421 if you believe in evolution then best of luck with your god materialism….
Because you sure don’t believe in God if you believe in evolution….
@@stevenwhite8937 people do actually exist who believe in God and accept evolutionary theory. Thus, your statement is demonstrably false.
@@Skovyd They don’t believe God in the least. The Bible says sin started with Adam and death through sin. Yet if evolution is true then death existed millions of years before Adam. Jesus came to redeem people of the curse brought upon by Adam, so they make Jesus irrelevant without even realizing they do so.
Besides, it’s the worst theory in existence with exactly zero evidence supporting it….
@@Skovyd Evolutionists believe that God was not the founder of the earth, instead it was a natural phenomenon, beginning with inorganic molecules evolving into today's modern person. Evolutionists also believe that modern human evolved from an ancient form of Primate, and that primate evolved from single cell organisms called Eucaryotes. Evolution is thus 100% contradictory to the existence of a God. Unless you are a Pantheist who believe that the Universe itself is God.
@@adelinomorte7421 how do you know anything about God?
The premise of Dr. Harwood's main argument is correct. Our assumptions drive our interpretations of data. Data does not "speak for itself." Data is interpreted to create information. Those interpretations are made based on the assumptions, even in experimentation (ie HYPOTHESIS/assumption comes before the actual experiment). This is not a criticism; just a statement of how science works (vastly oversimplified of course).
I like Dr. Harwood's approach to the explanations. What I find to be so incredible about all the "debates" of God's existence (Hitchens, Dawkins, et al) is that they attempt to use data as information itself, all the while injecting their assumptions into the interpretation of that data.
To believe God exists or does not exist, in both cases, is based on faith. "Science" does not excuse anyone from having faith, but it does blind people into believing they have "facts," and that those "facts" can only drive to one conclusion.
I disagree
Data can speak for itself
Look at basic statistics
I can build empirical models with with high statistic probably and know nothing about about this underlying background of the data.
In fact this is how machine learning and “AI” is so powerful. Because you can run the statistic in a data set with out biased human interpretation
I approach your point but again I would look into statistics
It’s amazing stuff
You don’t know the difference between data and information. There is nothing to disagree with if you know science (and data analysis).
@@Smaddx Perhaps I don't understand. but modern semiconductor and drug industries for example arnt just a human reviewing a scatterplot in excel... There are large predictive and empirical models that use hypothesis testing to literally take the human element out of it.
@@ndjarnag actually that is incorrect. AI is a conglomeration of computers and programs written by whom?
How can science stand alone without interpretation? your model is like a tree falling in the forest with no audience; Does it make a sound?
I would love to hear Dr Mark Harwood talk every day. So much wisdom and constructive reasoning. Really boosting hope and faith. Nice job of the interviewer also👍.
I have tanks to Dr. Mark H gone through much of the same eureka as him discovering that young Earth actually makes sence. Making believing in the Gospel with confidence much easier.
In 2018 I wrote the manuscript «Jesus & RNA», explaining among other things how we could look at the Gospel and salvation as being «immunologically» transplanted into the Body of Christ with the right histocompatibility after Jesus washed us clean and The Holy Spirit placed a mark (God seal) on us.
In that manuscript I parked the question about the age of the earth for later since it did not prevent me from believing and I did not have enough knowledge to understand it.
After seing this with renewed eyes it is such a good feeling.
Thanks❤
Have you considered sharing your knowledge with some of the science department heads of earth's largest 2,000 universities? From what I hear, ALL 2,000 schools teach that the earth is billions of year old. Posting on UA-cam comments threads doesn't seem to be working!
@@numbersix9477…do I sense i little bit of sarcasm in your comment😂. It is ok, I see your point.
My background is in molecular immunology / nutrition and I have published a manuscript pointing at some analogies between core biochemical processes in our bodies and some core Biblical spiritual principles in «The Body of Christ». So a different topic than the age of the Earth.
I have not digged much into the age of the Earth. Thinking instinctively that young Earth was a bit like flat Earth thinking.
However, listening carefully to these arguments I find it very interesting.
If the model is already defined at all these Universities a long time ago not to allow the possibility of a creator it not so easy to adjust perhaps?
@@bjartelygren8582
The creation model has had EXACTLY the same level of success at making it into college curricula as has the flat earth model. If you aren't willing to admit that you might be wrong, at least you're willing to admit that you and your fellow creationist are doing SOMETHING wrong with regard to educating the scientific community. Are you not?
I might be wrong about a lot of things and the details about creation in particular. Learning new things every day.
But still if this is correct it will never enter into the scientific community as it works today since the model require God in the equation and he is per definition excluded.
A very important point on why it matters:
Does it matter - if you claim a witness is a liar?
Because that's what they are attempting to do. They are attempting to discredit God's character, so they have an excuse why they don't need to listen to Him.
Not quite, we are claiming there is no such thing as God, so there's no character to discredit
@@aPartyRome that is the purpose of the Fantasy Theory aka evolution religion. If you seek God, you will find Him. Very simple - and it's not compulsory but wise. If I tell you wnat the Lord has done for me, you will not be able to read all before the year is over: my health, my family, my addictions, my life.... Taste and see that the Lord is good.
Seems as though it's very common, for a Young Earth Creationist, to imply this false association: If a person believes the earth is older than 6000 years, he also adheres to the theory of evolution.
@@RonaldCoblentz Theory indeed. God created the world and Jesus died for our sins. That means our Creator is also our Saviour. That's all
@@aPartyRome Somebody wrote Genesis. Most say it was Moses. Did he make it up? The flood of Noah is scientifically supported is the rest fantasy? You decide.
How old did the earth appear to be when God created it? I assume Adam looked a lot older than 0 seconds old when his life began. In other words, God can create things that have characteristics which make them appear to be older than they actually are.
He created trees bearing fruit, so...
Adam was created as a "fully grown" man, Eve, as a "fully grown" woman!
So yeah, you're right.
Edit: Picture in your mind a freshly landscaped yard.
Makes the yard look 'brand new', doesn't it?
So, apparent age is relative.
Do you believe in maaagic...
could write a song about that.
Carbon dating, per science: “The oldest dates that can be reliably measured by this process date to approximately 50,000 years ago.”
Carbon dating relies upon the assumption of uniformity of decay and that that uniformity existed for 50,000 years. There is no scientific evidence, however, that uniformity existed for 50,000 years. As there are no eye witnesses who observed any geologic formation and no science experiment can repeat it, assumptions and speculation are required. Ergo, the dating process through which scientists arrive at their “facts” on earth’s age is actually based on faith-based assumptions, whether it’s through carbon dating or other methods for the same reasons.
The Dolomite mountains are an almost untouched reef system situated above thick (up to 500 meters) layers of volcanic deposits, essentially forming a fossil archipelago. The mountains rise to about 3,000 meters, while the reef part reaches up to 1,000 meters in thickness.
One might wonder how it is possible for 1,000 meters of reef to form in just 6,000 years. If we consider the reefs in the Bahamas as a benchmark and generously estimate their growth rate at 10 centimeters per year (or 0.1 meters: in reality it can be much less for what we know today), it becomes clear that constructing 1,000 meters of reef at that rate would take approximately 10,000 years (1,000 meters divided by 0.1 meters per year). This estimate accounts only for the 1,000 meters of the reef itself. Now consider that the Bahamas reef itself is over 4,000 meters thick!
Moreover, where is all that water needed to flood the Earth up to 5000 meters high (Ararat Mountain; I don't dare to say up to the Himalaya) coming from? And where is all that water gone today, provided the melting of all ice (North Pole, South Pole, all glaciers) would not raise the sea level to cover a small hill (less than 100 meters high)?
You were the inspiration for a sermon I gave.
As a Christian we need to understand Genesis as we understand John 3:16.
As in Mathew 5:12 we are to be the salt... How are we to explain the good news to the world when they don't understand the bad news (the fall of man).
You also inspired me to study science more indebtly.
"As a Christian we need to understand Genesis"
WRONG, you as a christian, Genesis account would make you a plagiarist of the Hebrew Bible. Does, the genesis story first come to any christians???
Thank you very, very much guys for making this video! Extremely encouraging. God bless you all.
4:53 the book of Genesis is A. Not a history book. And B. Not an eye witness account. 🤦🏼♂️
The Gospels actually are eye witness accounts...
Wrong on both counts.
@@elizabeth84266 - the gospels are an eye witness account yes.
The book of Genesis is not. It is also not a history book as the original comment stated. It is a book of origins.
@@TheRubberDuck01 it is an eyewitness account, it has multiple authors, the first being God, the second being Adam..
@@RJ-s41ty How do you come to the conclusion that Genesis is an eyewitness account? It is impossible to be one when it covers what happened across 1500 years... Your position is flawed mate. Sorry.
Most Scholars think it was Moses who wrote it. He would've been inspired by God to write about it, plus would've collated other writings together to make it a complete work.
Not an eyewitness account dude.
It is a known fact that the elements of the periodic table took millions if not billions of years to be created. They were created in the stars, and the stars took millions of years to be formed so, to think the universe is only a few thousands of years old is totally out of the question. The Bible does not give any time frame for the creation of the universe, it only says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”, from here on in Genesis, the attention is placed on the formation of the earth and the emergence of biological life, which took also billions of years.
Billions of years is a heart and worldview issue.
@@thartwig26 If you have an issue with "reality" as a world view, or "caring about believing as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible", then sure it's an issue.
KJV Genesis 1:5 , 1:8 , 1:13 , 1:19 , 1:23 , 1:31 , 2:2 .
@@RoboJut Harry potter is a book too! :)
@@Yamyatos And?
Excellent answers. Its easy for believers to get caught up in these type of debates but what we are instructed to adhere to is simply "the revealed will of God" which pertains to the revealed information of scripture. Indeed we are instructed to search things out which science helps us to do but its all within the parameters of scripture and not academic influence. The earth's age will be debated forever but holding fast to Gods revealed evidence is the assignment to believers. We shoukd be able to give the argument for creation as well as salvation. This man simplified the scriptures which is what I believe God always desires.
The problem with arguing time, and time is not a constant, and time is relative to the observer, the entire conversation becomes meaningless for both sides of the arguments.
I think your conflating concepts of dating with relativity.
Dr Harwood speaks so clearly and down to earth. I will definitely download this video and share it with my skeptical friends
after what we just went thru I wouldnt waste my time on 80 % of them .
Any friend willing to watch 2 hours of this nonsense is a true friend.. make sure you treat them well.
@@Yamyatos
Your comment deserves a simple response.
Speaking so adamantly about an unprovable theory such as uniformitarianistism, you must be brainwashed
@@knightclan4 Earth is old. That is a fact. There is no debate, nor a reason for one. We *know* earth is at least 4.5 billion years old. We may be wrong with the exact date, but it cannot be younger. If it's just about disproving a young earth.. pretty much every other field of science does that unintentionally. There simply is no evidence for a young earth whatsoever. Quite the opposite. Any evidence we ever found that has any relation to the age of .. anything, really.. points to stuff being old. We have *living* organisms older than the proposed YEC age of earth. Trees 5000+ years of age, sponges 10.000 years of age, and a tree grove that is on the lower end at least 80.000 years of age, but may be well over a million. People who believe in a young earth are literally on the exact same level of denial as flat earthers. These two delusions belong in the same bucket. If you reject one, but not the other, the issue is you. If you accept both on the other hand.. i dont think there is hope for you.
Same with other topics btw. We *know* there was never a global flood, for example. Not just because there is no evidence for it, and many that contradicts it.. the whole goddamn idea is debunked even by fields you wouldnt think about. Genetics for example. If a flood killed all but two of all species / "kind", we would see genetic bottlenecks matching in both time and severity for all living organisms. Needless to say.. we dont. Many species have a genetic bottleneck. Not down to 2 individuals, and not all at the same time tho.
@@knightclan4 Earth is old. That is a fact. There is no debate, nor a reason for one. We know earth is at least 4.5 billion years old. We may be wrong with the exact date, but it cannot be younger. If it's just about disproving a young earth.. pretty much every other field of science does that unintentionally. There simply is no evidence for a young earth whatsoever. Quite the opposite. Any evidence we ever found that has any relation to the age of .. anything, really.. points to stuff being old. People who believe in a young earth are literally on the exact same level of denial as flat earthers. These two delusions belong in the same bucket. If you reject one, but not the other, the issue is you. If you accept both on the other hand.. i dont think there is hope for you.
Same with other topics btw. We know there was never a global flood, for example. Not just because there is no evidence for it, and many that contradicts it.. the whole goddamn idea is debunked even by fields you wouldnt think about. Genetics for example. If a flood killed all but two of all species / "kind", we would see genetic bottlenecks matching in both time and severity for all living organisms. Needless to say.. we dont. Many species have a genetic bottleneck. Not down to 2 individuals, and not all at the same time tho.
Makes a whole lot more sense than what they taught us in school ! Problem is they will not present an opposing view . They want everyone dumbed down !
The dumbing down was intentional. I got a degree in education and I was one of the few people who would ask questions. I went down the rabbit hole of the history of education and learned that there was a few wealthy people who had a lot to gain by making it the way it is today.
Arguments from ignorance make sense to you?
@@MrLogo73 typical liberal mindset ..attack the person and bring nothing to debate .
@@MrLogo73 - Here’s a fun little fact. You can have an illogical argument about something that is still true even if it’s not a good argument. It’s just not good evidence for the truth claim but it doesn’t make the truth claim itself less true.
@@boxelder9167 You're right about the illogical argument. But the one, who makes the claim, has to demonstrate, that it's true. He can not just assert, that it is.
Even more so, the original comment on top wrote: "Problem is they will not present an opposing view . They want everyone dumbed down .."
That is a conspiracy. And creationism, is not an opposing view. It's a conspiracy, nothing more.
Ive debated many on the subject. I wont mention God or the Bible, just scientific facts. The other person though will eventaully get mad, lash out, and bring God into the conversation 90% of the time.
@@stephentucker2714 the trouble with young earth is that the genealogies given in different books of the bible skip generations. And the early parts of genesis were god telling us about his creation, his love for us, and our disobedience. Yet despite all our disobedience god still loves us and allows us freedom still to choose.
What it is not, is a scientific explanation from the universe. It talks about seperation of the water exposing the land. But doesn't bother explaining evaporation, air and clouds having huge amounts of water and that is the rain. Or Moses told to keep sick people seperate from the rest of the community, thousands of years before understanding germs. God didn't tell them about viruses and how these invisible things can make you sick. It's not a scientific text. It is a bunch of history showing us God's love and power.
@chrisoakey9841 absolutely! I personally believe in the young earth but, have heard many Christians explain why they don't. I don't see a problem with it as far as salvation goes at all despite how much many atheist want it to be a problem. I've been saying that for years! It's not meant to be a science book, but instructions for salvation and why we need it. I don't read a cook book to learn about physics, that doesn't mean physics doesn't exist based on the cook book.
@@stephentucker2714 if God can make the universe, he can make it look like it is at any stage of development he likes. But that is not the goal of the bible. Thanks for the comment.
I have the same issue with abortion.
@dougmasters4561 me too. I have cited numbers from the cdc. .5% for medical, 1% rape, 87% unmarried return customers. And that 97% of biologist call it life. BAM, I'm either a right wing extremist or a Christian extremist lol.
When I was in Bible college, one of the professors taught evolution. Even then, being a young Christian and somewhat Biblical illiterate, I thought that was STRANGE!!!
Millions and billions of years calls Jesus a Liar. Jesus while in the flesh on Earth verified the truthfulness of the scriptures and God can not lie. I can recall as a teen buying into the whole gap theory and millions of years. We had a family friend who was a great preacher when it came to preaching Gospel but he had no answers for the beliefs I had accepted. He just told me I was wrong and left.
So a story you cannot prove varies scripture? That is some circular logic.
No, help yourself. "Millions and millions" is folly and fantasy. Keep on deceiving yourself trying to wish away God. There is a dire accountability for life which you will face one day... enjoy your life and play games if you will
@Losttoanyreason why do think that an old earth denies the proof of God and scripture? I don't believe in an old earth based on the science. But over and over, I find that many atheist use this as a reason, yet many Christians do believe in an old earth so the defense doesn't seem to stand up to non belief
If the daughter product was dated it would just be younger than the parent isotope so the earth could be even older further disproving a young earth. 4:45 also, the energy industry actually relies on radiometric dating to locate where gas and oil is trapped underground by creating a “basin model”. If radiometric dating was inaccurate the energy supple would crumble.
Both things you said are not true. Radiometric dating, at best, can give you and upper limit for the age of a sample. Second, oil companies aren't dating rock samples to find oil. They are surveying the surface and subsurface looking for specific geologic features and patterns that are common where oil is found. Then they literally drill and look. Oil exploration is a very here and now discipline.
@@TheAaronYostno, they also use age of rocks to help know where they are trapped
@@GunnersHD They do not date rocks in order to find oil.
@TheAaronYost but they most definitely do lol.. "....microscopically examine drill debris to determine if they are in the target formation , typically coral/marine shells. This is not done for all wells but for exploratory and step-out wells ( expanding a field). Primary interests are gas/oil ratio, hydrocarbon/water ratio, sulfur level. Age is only of interest as it gives information of the other properties."
@@bryancollier704 Actually there's a simpler way to dismantle the stupidity of this argument that belief in a young earth means you can't find fossil fuels. Geologic age estimates are based on assumptions about the past and conclusions drawn from observable data. As long as you make consistent assumptions and draw consistent conclusions the actual age of the earth is completely irrelevant. If I consistently make the same assumptions and consistently draw the same conclusions based on the data, I will consistently find oil in the same places another person, making different, but consistent, assumptions and conclusions will, even if one of us is using incorrect assumptions and drawing incorrect conclusions.
Obviously the creation week was supernatural. It had to be for God to create everything that fast. Therefore science is never going to get it right. Only the bible explains what science cannot.
You are correct, but the presentation they gave could also be flawed. He's taking the 7 human days literally which is directly contradicting the Bible. 2 Peter chapter 3 verse 8 States Gods day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Taking this scripture literally would mean that at the end of creation, 7 thousand years would have already past. However this scripture only tells us that what man thinks is a long time is only a blink of the eye to God. It also guarantees us that we don't know what time period a day is to God. A thousand years, a billion years but definitely not 24 hours.
@@justthinking4628The verse in 2nd Peter is obviously saying God is outside of time. Not comparing the days of creation. A common misunderstanding.
@@justthinking4628also you misquoted that verse anyways. It says a day is LIKE a thousand years and a thousand years is LIKE a day to God.
2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
@@justthinking4628at least get the verse right if you are going to try and refute it.
As a Christian who bases their faith on evidence, I would have to disagree with him on the one fundamental issue that there are always presuppositions to observation. That totally disregards agnosticism because if what he says is true, there is no such thing as agnosticism which I think is false because I was an agnostic for a few years and was looking for evidence that leads or strays from Gods existence and I can say that I did not have any presuppositions because I was strictly looking for the truth. If there are always presuppositions there can be no pursuit of real absolute truth; that pursuit does not exist because it will always be fallible. In a nutshell, I have found morality to not be relative for a number of reasons and there had to be someone to set those morals and everything doesn’t come from nothing, and life doesn’t come from non-life that’s too large of a leap of faith for me to believe. However, my decision on those issues did not arise from presuppositions that I had prior to my search for truth.
Hi Jesse as a Christian we should all believe by FAITH. BUT there are things in the Bible that we would like to know and understand . Like the age of the earth, No one knows but all i can tell you that the earth is more than 6000 years old. We have a time of human ( Adam) and the time of the dinosaurs and (?) before Adam. Were there life before that no one knows. This was a one way discussion, and i believe that this teacher is wrong. Most of these teachers will teach that the dinosaurs were in the ark but it is not so. That is what they get fed and with science the majority rule even in so called Christian teaching. The answer on dinosaurs are always that Noah let the babies on the ark. Just to think Noah went all over the earth to look for the babies. But GOD guided all animals to the ark.
See with those groups if you do not stand with the leader you are out.Then is this teacher wrong YES he is.
Praise GOD for what CMI is doing. Thank God for leading us through Answers in Genesis and then through CMI, you set our faith on a firm foundation that cannot be moved. We study or record history because they cannot be repeated. In the same way the Bible give us an accurate history of HIS Story for our faith. If people want to talk about Long age, they will find it when Jesus Christ come again and HE set up HIS eternal age
Someone said "There is starlight coming from billions of light years away. Some galaxies we still see star light from don't exist anymore. That proves that the universe is billions of years old." But if the universe expanded from a single point, whether that starting point was God or the Big Bang, it stands to reason that the light from those objects also started from that same point. So even if those objects are millions of lightyears away now, when they were created they were much closer. Perhaps very close. So even if those stars are only a few thousand years old we would see them today
@@billm5555 Exactly. It is totally possible that God created before he expanded.
I hate that I have never heard Mark Harwood before. He does such a brilliant job of speaking to meaning and evidence in a clear way. ❤️❤️
There is star light coming from billions of light years away. Some of the galaxies we still see star light from don't even exist anymore. That proves that the universe is billions of years old.
Please see this article here! creation.com/distant-starlight-and-the-biblical-timeframe
Shhh, don’t tell them that, it questions what they “know” for a fact.
@@SheridanFalkenberry I read it. It throws around vague concepts and a few buzz words from physics, but doesn't really answer the question.
The center of the Milky Way has a black hole around which stars otbit in a very peculiar way consistent with the way predicted by general relativity. If God fabricated this light and directed it at us, then he falsified a detailed historical record and thus, is guilty of lying.
There's just no wiggling out of this. The Bible is a collection of lies, just like all of the other religions. We evolved from ape-like creatures, and when we die, we're going to stay dead. It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
That's how far it is away from us not the starting point.
@@whitney9844 It was the starting point of the light when it was emitted billions of years ago. Thus, the universe is vastly older than 6000 years, thus, the Bible is dead wrong.
So glad you did this follow up!!!
Gee it was good, very good.
AT 27:31, A sediment layer does NOT = 1 year. It could represent 10K 0r 100K years. BTw, How long do you think it took to make the Grand canyon?
A few days as is obvious from the absolute lack of erosion between the mostly perfectly flat layers.
@@vlatkosurlan545 try to pour water or freeze water over a rock for a few days. Measure it scientifically. See how much you can erode from it. Even better, you can take a small rock and pour hundreds of gallons on it. Simulate the great flood. You will NOT achieve grand canyon level results in a few days, my friend. You will not be able to skim a milimeter off of that rock. Weathering takes a long time.
@@adriel1478 Grand canyon's missing infill was not a solid when it was eroded. It was soft mud deposited after the upheaval of the Great flood which is evident from the fact that there is absolutely no deposits at the exit of the canyon which would be absolutely impossible if it was eroded from hard rock over long time periods. Evolution is a dumb lie designed for printing militant atheists which falls apart wherever you touch it.
Since you want to be all scientific about it, which I don't believe, I think you just want to be an atheist at any cost, tell me how is it possible that there is absolutely no evidence of erosion anywhere between the layers in the Grand canyon? There was no rain for millions of years? No plant growth, no wind?
فَلَۤا أُقْسِمُ بِمَوَاقِعِ النُّجُومِۙوَإِنَّهُ لَقَسَمٌ لَوْ تَعْلَمُونَ عَظ۪يمٌۙ إِنَّهُ لَقُرْاٰنٌ كَر۪يمٌ
I swear by the locations of the stars (and their falling). It is indeed a very great oath, if you but knew. Most certainly it is a Qur’ān (recited) most honorable. (Al-Wāqi‘ah 56:75-77)
If such a flood had happened 4500 years ago when the pyramids were being built, the Egyptian wouldve been wiped out and history would be very different.
@@PaulDormody you are under the assumption that the pyramids weren’t built yesterday and made to look 4500 years old. See, the problem is your assumptions are wrong 😁
The pyramids were built after the global flood. The rocks that are used to build the pyramids were laid down by the global flood.
@@PaulDormody the pyramids came later after the Days of Noah and the Flood.
Thank you for these episodes, they really close the deal of a God, who through his love has shown his mercy and grace through his only begotten son, the Lord Jesus Christ the Righteous. The Good News will make an Episcopalian jump and shout !!!
Mark is an absolute gem. 💎 Legend.
*_Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)_*
*_Eph _**_5:10_**_ Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord._*
*_Eph _**_5:11_**_ And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them._* *_- KJB_*
God is allowed to offer a deceptive alternative to the truth. He did it in Eden, He did it by allowing other gods to be worshipped, and He does it with the concept of salvation. If we don’t take God at His word, we lose every single time.
So basically, god is a scam artist.
So basically God is offering a choice. Scam artists don’t tell you the truth and then provide an alternative. Everyone is faced with choices where they know they shouldn’t do something but do it anyway because they think it will benefit them (and often that choice makes things worse).
And trying to judge God isn’t a great idea. Read Romans 9.
@@readtruth6670 I cannot judge an entity whose existence has never been shown. My comment should have been more judiciously phrased: "So basically, if a god exists, he must be a scam artist."
You can pass judgment on whatever you want, real or not. People do it all the time. But seriously, read Romans 9 (honestly, read the whole book of Romans, because It basically sums up the entire Christian theology).
Even if you don’t believe it, it would benefit you to be aware of it.
How old was Adam when he was created? He was 0 years old. How old did Adam look? Probably about 30 or 40 years old. How old was the universe when God created it. It was zero years old. How old did the universe look when it was created? It was as old as God needed it to look to function.
Ah, the timeless conundrum of divine age manipulation. It's a fascinating concept that requires some impressive mental gymnastics to reconcile with scientific realities.
So, if I understand correctly, Adam was created as a full-grown adult but with zero years of existence under his belt, and the universe was created with the appearance of age but with a birth certificate that reads "Day 1." It's like the ultimate cosmic magic trick, where God says, "Let there be light... and a fully formed universe with all the bells and whistles!"
But hey, who needs consistent laws of nature and observable phenomena when you've got divine intervention? I guess when you're the author of reality, you get to bend the rules however you see fit. Just remember, when you start blurring the lines between appearance and reality, it can make for some interesting philosophical debates, if nothing else.
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go If you believe the first line in the bible you will have no problem with the rest. God bless
@@lawrencehalpin6611 Why would I believe the first line in the Bible?
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go Because if I am wrong, not a problem. I have a better life. If you are wrong. Well that would not be good for you.
@@lawrencehalpin6611 First of all, that has no bearing on whether or not you are right. Second, if some OTHER religion is wrong then "well that would not be good for you.", so that doesn't save you anyway. And finally, NO you do NOT have a better life. You have a lie that you have CHEAPENED by believing that all of this planet is just a place to wipe your feet before you go to your heaven, and people like me suffer for all eternity, and YOU BELIEVE I DESERVE IT. Right?
A long time is not necessary when God made the universe ex nihilo (out of nothing). Everything was made for mankind to have dominion over and mankind appeared 6,000 yrs ago ...so bingo.
Actually the oldest human bones discovered were over 300000 years old. Discovered in Morocco.
@@TrustInJesusChrist-John3.16 not by 294000 years though. 20% margin of error is allowed for. The earth is not young. Science has proven it time after time. The bible is not an accurate history of time no matter how often creationists try to change the data to suit their narrative
You believe everything came from nothing?
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go Just the flick of a finger for an almighty God.
Carbon radiometric dating is proven to be flawed. You won't hear that in the news but it's true.
Yeah, if Darwin's model of macro evolution is correct, then it not only negates the book of Genesis, but it guts the very plan of salvation. Romans 5 suddenly becomes gibberish, specifically, and much of the Scriptures must then be reinterpreted or striken out altogether. If by one man sin did NOT enter the world, nor death by sin, then how does one man, Jesus, take our sin away and save us from it? The beautiful logic of it all is just trashed, and I believe that such was indeed the intent behind those who, before Darwin, began promoting the idea of billions of years and of macro-evolution.
Bingo!!!!!
Science is entirely neutral when it comes to religion. It doesn't make decisions based on religion. It makes decisions based on facts and evidence. It has no preconceived notions. It follows the evidence where it leads. Religion has a preconceived notion. It only except evidence that it approves of and disregards evidence that it disapproves of. You will note that the top experts in their field, and many branches of science, for many different religions, can agree on the evidence. The only people who disagree or people who hold a fundamentalist religious view and they feel their view is threatened. Religion and science or two different things. Scientific discovery should not be biased by religious beliefs.
I think there is also an understanding to acknowledge. In job, God allows the suffering, thus perhaps allowing it in His “will”. I think, whether we like it or not, God is in control and sometimes those sufferings are for a reason and that reason seems to be to point to and glorify him through suffering. Saying cancer was made by sin makes it seem like God had not control and that “sin” had the control. Can we accept that God did allow or even orchestrate the suffering? Suffering isn’t “evil” so we can’t say God allowed evil, but he does allow suffering. Gods answer to job has enormous weight and meaning.
25:24 How can you hold a belief that discredits God's character and is contradictory to the Gospel, yet say they are still Christians? That doesn't make sense to me. You can't be a Christian and go against God. Period.
Ions decay from atoms of rocks and other sediments. This rate of decay can be measured using mathematics. These measurements have reached over 4.5 billion years. These are facts.
Hi there! See this article here: creation.com/how-carbon-dating-works
@@SheridanFalkenberry yeah that is total crap
Great article
@chrismartino3519 Yeah, creationist scientist is an oximoron because to be a scientist and try to prove God, then you must first denounce him. You can't assume a conclusion before you've even started. Now I can believe in God and know (to an extent) that the universe is bliions of years old. God exists outside of time and space so how's he gonna explain billions of years and complex chemical processes to people who haven't even developed toilet paper yet 😅
@@chrismartino3519 decay rates start with assumptions as to the quantity that was in the artefact when it started to decay. Those assumptions are incorrect and the other problem is the assumption that decay rates are always consistent. There are reasons to believe they are not at all consistent in the past.
You need to go and do some more research of the creationist literature to understand the argument.
My uncle is a devout Christian a professor and a worldwide expert in nuclear fission track dating. He says it’s impossible for the world to be 6000 years old. The evidence against is overwhelming.
Your uncle is entitled to his opinion ❤️
Amen.
He's right. About one thing anyway. (Impossible for the world to be 6,000 years old).
@@MrShnazer Fortunately, with solid science, it is not simply an opinion but established fact.
All wisdom only comes from the bible, we can have expertise in extrabiblical matters and still be a fool. To be clear, I'm not at all calling your uncle a fool, just stating plainly that one's accolades outside of biblical truth are meaningless and not a marker of wisdom at all.
To beleve in evolution over creation is to say God is not all powerful and basically you take God completely out of the picture. Satan didn't cause Adam and eve to comit some horrible act, he simply got the to question Gods word. God is all powerful and he created us in his image. Thank you for doing these videos.
We take god out of the picture because he doesn't exist
Satan is the morally virtuous character in the Christian story and god is the maniac.
Satan never lied in the bible and was always honest.
God in the bible lies, order mass murder, committs mass murder and condones slavery.
Have you ever considered that history (in this case the bible) is written by the victors and that the character you call god is actually the evil victor and that satan is the ally of mankind?
You assume that everyone that understands evolution is a real thing is not a Christian. You are quite wrong, and are not giving God the credit he is due for all the time and effort he put into creating it all.
To all my brothers and sisters in CHRIST! Just remember EVERY KNEE WILL BEND,AND EVERY HEAD WILL BOW ✝️🙏 There will always be deniers until HE COMES AGAIN,AND WHEN HE DOES THEY WILL KNOW THEY ARE FINISHED!!!
Arguments from Ignorance, but I forgive you.
The difference between a religious worldview and a naturalistic worldview, naturalists form their worldview according to observation. Religious people attempt to fit their observations into their preconceived beliefs.
You cannot observe the past, Mr. Naturalist.
@@Jlius OK, I’ll play! If you really believe your statement, then how do you know some random dude didn’t get bored and write the Bible? You didn’t see anyone write it 🤷♂️
@@MRCATWRENCH If he wrote the truth, that's all that matters. Not whether he was bored or drunk.
@@Jlius How do you tell whether or not it’s true if you don’t even know who wrote it?
@@MRCATWRENCH One good thing about truth is that it saves. If it doesn't save, it isn't truth. The Bible saves, and so I know it's true.
I don't care what you believe, I care about something you can demonstrate that is true to reality.
@Jeff.Paborada what changed in humans from 6000 years ago that caused them to start writing? That makes no sense. In an evolutionary standpoint, humans from 6000 years ago would be identical to today's humans.
I feel exactly the same way about evolution!
I've never seen good evidence for the 'theory' of evolution.
Your very existence is true to reality. God made mankind in the image of God (men and women both bear this image) and special above all other creatures. We have been given authority & dominion over the earth and over all the other creatures. Unlike the plants, trees, aquatic animals, birds, and land animals, we are unique, distinctively different. This does not mean that humans physically look like God. Rather, men and women reflect God in their ability to love, reason, and make intelligent decisions. We also have free will and the capacity to make moral decisions, in contrast to the other creatures. We are the highest of all creatures/life forms. And As the apex of creation, we were made to reflect the Lord’s character and attributes in this world.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE debate an old earth evolutionary geologist or paleontologist on the trustworthiness of radiometric dating.
Your arguments sound powerful when unchallenged, but they could be devastating if they stand up against a critic.
there is evolutionist who turned to young earth theory by their observations and scientific work turned based on that to belive that there is The God. Everything is assumptions what carbon dating is doing. Labs have done fossils within days with molecular picture within 100% similarity.
A 3rd grader would laugh at this guy
Why don't you look into Ukrainian labs z-pinch experiments? They did that on SFT and it's really interesting. 1st when the use plasma and make heavy radioactive isotopes the parent daughter ratios fall out like we see around us today. It is one of the better bits of evidence against radiometric dating. There are others who did comparisons of radiometric dating and found out no they don't always agree. That testing heavier elements gives you far older ages and the lighter ones give you far younger ages. Take all that and compare it to soft tissue in fossils? They have had well over 200 finds now in supposed strata that dated from 65 million to 500 million years old. Yet there have been so many tests in forensics showing those protiens can't last a million years. Yet they will swear up and down some Dino from this strata is dated at over 65 million years. Yet soft tissue absolutely disproves that and puts a cap on of less the 10k years. Ultimately there is all the proof you need out there to prove radiometric dating is flawed. You just have to look. The guys getting paid to date that rock are not going to tell you there may just be a problem with there results.. lol good luck
They won't do it as they run away scared from real scientists
Kent hovind has a video of him debating a geologist at a university or a college highly recommend it.
I have been a Christian for many years and could not even speak about evolution theory but it became too hard to just ignore it . Isn't it possible that God used the evolutionary process to make everything. The Bible has so many issues. The Ark for example can be torn apart extremely easily scientifically.
@@Jerlynvins my man. Let me ask you a question. Can a cat ever become a dog. Or can a pigeon ever become a shark ? Answer is clearly no. But one more thought for you is, how many times do you need to wash your clothes in the washer for them to be perfeclty folded inside ? In infinite amount of times that clothes can never be folded, ever. So in these 2 thought process you can cleary see that there is a creator. And believe me our God is great.
Even from a "scientific" perspective it wouldn't be possible to use evolution as the process for everything. There's a lot more evidence for a young Earth than old, most of it is either suppressed or ignored. Or in many cases dismissed through ad hominem attacks.
Spike Psarris has a great series that covers Astronomy.
Nathaniel Jeanson has an incredible series on human DNA and what it reveals.
Immanuel Velikovsky does a great job of dealing with historic accounts and their meaning.
There are many more, these are some of my favorites. You'll see a lot of attacks against their character and general dismissiveness of their findings but little detail and no hard evidence. Look into it for yourself and then make a more informed judgement on the matter.
If you think the Bible has "so many issues" you've not researched it enough. And the research on DNA has effectively proved Neo Darwinism totally false.
@@whoswho6641no offense but you make no sense here. The difference in DNA between a cat and dog is quite small. Furthermore I have no idea what you mean about washing clothes and what that has to do with evolution.
@@Doty6String my point is, there is a God. And His name is Jesus.
God bless
If you read the beginning of the Bible it only takes a few verses before God says, Let there be light, on day one. You'll notice the Earth is already there, so was water. Before light.
Oh, it is true because the claim says so. Great logic from a christian
@@LookOutForNumberOne There is no difference on your side either. You make assumptions and then want to convert them to solid, verified proof out of thin air. You need to freshen up on your logical fallacies.
Take the Bible literally. If you claim to be a Christian you MUST believe the Word of Yahuah. AIG picks and chooses what they believe from the Bible. Let Yahuah be true and every man a liar, that includes every scientist. I do appreciate this man’s literal age of the earth. Kudos for the approach to this topic.
I have a question. What is AIG? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. I don't have an opinion about the age of the earth. I don't pick and choose what I believe but I do try to learn about the type of literature I am reading, what the author intended to communicate, and any linguistic nuances that could alter my understanding.
Why would I take the Bible
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I like to ask, 'Which is older, evolution or the big bang'? Usually, the answer is the big bang, but the correct answer is evolution as it began in 1859 A.D., whereas the Big Bang exploded on to the scene in 1931 A.D..
What is the point you are trying to make as to whether evolution or the big bang is older?
*Reply to:* _"I like to ask, 'Which is older, evolution or the big bang'? Usually, the answer is the big bang, but the correct answer is evolution as it began in 1859 A.D., whereas the Big Bang exploded on to the scene in 1931 A.D.."_
@@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 that it was an idea before existing in the minds of men, whether it be true, or not. The idea had to come first to us.
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I find it somewhat amusing that there are people alive on the earth today that are older than the big bang.
Also somewhat amusing is that God declares the end from the beginning, whereas man declares the beginning from the end.
Indeed, His ways are not our ways and our ways are not His ways.
It is possible to show that the big bang theory itself is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.
And thanks for the question, I had to spend time thinking about it.
*@glenngraham8513* Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate you took time to think about it. Much appreciated.
If you believe evolution began in 1859 AD and the Big Bang began in 1931 AD, do you also believe gravity began in 1687 AD when Newton wrote about it in his _Principia?_
If gravity only began in 1687, why did the Ancient Romans need to use nails to hang Jesus Christ on the cross?
Or did gravity exist when Jesus Christ was hung on the cross, even if the Ancient Romans didn't have a word for gravity?
*Reply to:* _"I find it somewhat amusing that there are people alive on the earth today that are older than the big bang. Also somewhat amusing is that God declares the end from the beginning, whereas man declares the beginning from the end. Indeed, His ways are not our ways and our ways are not His ways. It is possible to show that the big bang theory itself is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. And thanks for the question, I had to spend time thinking about it."_
*@glenngraham8513* Additionally, I am quite curious which prophet prophesied about the "big bang theory itself"?
Do you have the biblical book and verse where this prophecy was made?
Thank you in advance.
*Reply to:* _"It is possible to show that the big bang theory itself is fulfillment of Biblical prophecy."_
Also, nothing could die before the curse of the fall of mankind (bringing death).. and death is necessary for so called evolution. Bingo again.
Death is not necessary for evolution. Change is, and change is the only constant in the universe. Everything changes form, grows old, dies, etc.
@88Padilla Things change and do not die, but living organisms die, and according to the theory of evolution, species change into other species through succeeding generations - requiring death.
@@TrustInJesusChrist-John3.16 no, they change in the process of living through enviromental change, not dying. Those changes only become apparent in later generations, but the change has already happened internally. The environment affects and changes our DNA.
@@TrustInJesusChrist-John3.16Species don't 'change into' other species. That would be transform-o-lution, not evolution. One group of organisms splits into two groups, which decrease in their ability to interbreed. Morphology is also not suddenly poofing into existence out of the blue. Already existing features are being reused for a different purpose and are being refined for that new use.
@MrLogo73 I said that according to the theory of Evolution (which is a lie) species evolve into other species. It's called speciation, stated by scientists as "fact". There is only a certain degree of adaptation evident within any given species. Scientists won't accept that because they'd have to accept an intelligent Creator created the species to start with.
I WANT the Earth to be old but i don't NEED it to be . What bothers me is this carbon dating thing , the scientist seem to be pretty adamant that it's accurate. is it ?
Hi there! See this article from Dr Carter at CMI: creation.com/how-carbon-dating-works
@@SheridanFalkenberry thanks, i made a mistake in my comment, i meant to say i want the earth to be young, not that it matters , nothing will shake my faith in Christ !1
The moment the star was turned on, all the history of this dome from beginning to end was seen and done. We all are just playing it all out at all times at the same time...
Oh my gosh! This is SOOOO BAD. I don’t even know where to begin. This is why we loose so many young people after they begin to think for themselves. This is embarrassing as a Christian.
This is so sad.
You can trust God's word. I had to ask myself ,23 years ago, " if I believe Jesus turned water into wine, raised the dead,has power over the weather, the miracles of Moses in Exodus; why don't I just trust that God made everything just as He said He did, until dogmaticly proven otherwise?" Stepping out in faith and researching as much information as I could find on the topic ,my faith has grown exponentially.
Believing in the biblical account doesn't hurt anyone, really. It may be personally embarrassing to be ridiculed by people for your beliefs, but isn't that what Jesus said is actually part of being Christian? I suggest checking out what the men in the bible believe. Jesus, Paul, Peter, Moses, for example, all refer to Genesis as history. God bless.
Agreed. Especially when young people actually think that this represents the majority view among all Christians. It most certainly does not.
@@IronMatt You said it correctly: "If I believe....." Anything you want can come out of believing something. You can trust that god made everything etc. If you believe it, in your mind it is true.
@@markwiggins6442 Please begin, enlighten us.
And you didn't state any actual objection and didn't provide any evidence for your claim about young people.
Evolution did not disprove God it's just trying to find out how he did it
It absolutely attempts to disprove God while simultaneously trying to go innocently under the radar which is the truest form of Satanism.
That is entirely wrong. Evolution starts with the presumption that there is no Creator God. It was a scheme to show it was plausible that the universe created itself. It is not plausible, in fact. Yet those who were willing to believe it latched onto it so they could avoid dealing with the God of the Bible.
The real agenda of the fantasy theory is "there is no God"
Carbon dating contradicts the actual measurements of time. God can be able to make a grown tree overnight ( see the stories of Jonah). Earth is not that billion years old.
I remember when they dated Mt St Helen’s as having erupted 2.3M years ago?!
The models are obviously very wrong.
@jacobbrringula571 Quoting the bible to prove the bible. *v*
God is eternal. "God moved over the face of the deep. And all was without form and void." Until God said, "Let there be light."
How many radiometric dating labs request an estimated date/age for the item(s) from the client when the item(s) is submitted? I know that some do, but I am curious as to a percentage, or under what circumstances this is requested.
He believes that the earth is young because some folks a few thousand years ago wrote down what they believed was true. That is ridiculous.
It's comical
So now testimonies are not valid?
That’s the arrogance of believing that we know better than what was written and none of that book contradicts itself anywhere. God is mighty and powerful and is certainly capable of creating a world that looks very old and seems very old to test our faith. When you think of it with true faith it actually makes perfect sense.
@@tategasek1719 the book has contradiction, it's ignorant to think otherwise. even bible scholars have admitted there's contradiction.
@@markgilrosales6366 testimony is only valid, if there's corroboration and evidence. In this case. There's none
Doesn't the BIBLE say we'll be accountable for every idle word
Meaning if we lie about GOD'S creation we lie to unbelievers
Very good.
Ackshully... God created the whole Universe, the Earth, and all living creatures including Human Beings, memories and all, fully intact, five minutes ago.
Prove me wrong.
I would like to see more videos responding to critics. Great idea.
I say the earth is only a week old. Last week is in the past so there's no way to contradict this fact. How ridiculous!!!😂😂😂
It's absolutely ridiculous. He perhaps doesn't know that he's a fool
This is actually reasonable. Saying the Earth is any age and everything before that was invented by the Devil, including memories, is as sound logically as Young Earth.
When God made Adam he was a grown man not a baby god made the earth the same way
Yep.
None of that ever happened. Prove it did.
@@mighty4371 Prove what? That God made you? You can't wish this fact away.
@@deaconobuasi it's not a fact it's just a fairy tale. You can't wish that fact away
@@mighty4371 Are you designed or a random? Do you have ears where under your feet or hands in your belly? I guess you think nothing made everything. But that is your worldview. Know this, your sins are yours and Christ died for your sins.
Mark Harwood: All of science is just based on wrong assumptions. Case closed. Lol. Give this man the Nobel Prize!
You're saying that as if though are innocent little truth seekers who have nothing but the best for humanity at heart when the exact opposite is true - they are mostly sinners who detest the very idea that they are responsible to a supreme moral arbiter. Being so shocked that they keep failing to find the Truth is like being shocked that a man who murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters fails to tell the cops the truth (see Christopher Lee Watts).
Yeah, not like any of it has been tested and proved.
If Mark Harwood gets cancer, you better believe he is gonna try to get the best doctors with the best science to help him. He will not use a priest to be cured.
Ignorance is bliss
@@cliveadams7629 while your small discoveries may prove logical results that doesn't mean when you see the bigger picture that you actually understood what you were dealing with at all
" History is separate from science" is a wrong asumption. Archéologie, geologie, paléontologie, antropologie are all containing refutable evidences leading to a scientific consensus . Consensus mean heavy debate until scientists agreed to recognize a reality that anyone could challenge before being established... bible can t be challenged 😂. Evidence based never win against believer . They don t look to evidences always. The mind is locked 🔒 .
05:10 "History trumps Science?" [unquote]. Shalom! 🌈😇🥳 Well, little children, that "question" (or statement - "history trumps science") is in fact "impossible:" For accurate or real/true science is indeed real accurate history also, Amen. JOHN 8.32; 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 etc. HalleluYAH! Peace/Shalom 📖⚖💎💪💝🌈😇🥳🙌🙏
The level of delusion of young earth creationists is beyond comprehension of all rationale thinking people. How can you place mythological writings above scientific evidence?
in the bible it says fred flintstone had a dinosaur as a pet.... need i say more, there comes a point when you have to ask yourself, should i disuade really really ''vulnerable'' people of a benevolent god and a happy afterlife for all the good christians who thankfully chose the correct religion. i've met a few psychos who flat out admitted if they didnt believe in jesus they be out killing everyday........