If The Earth Is Only 6,000 Years Old, How Is This Possible?
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
- “How do we see starlight from billions of light years away if earth is only 6,000 years old?” Many people think distant starlight is one of the biggest obstacles to trusting what the Bible asserts about the age of the universe. Most Christians are at a loss as to how to answer this question. Join Simon Turpin and his guest, Ph.D. astronomer Danny Faulkner, as they consider God's Word and the light from distant stars.
At the risk of being over-simplistic, why do some keep trying to explain creation with "science" when creation was supernatural, not scientific. Science cannot explain a supernatural event. The God who created the laws of science is not bound by them. He operates outside of time, distance and matter. His ways are so much higher than our ways and His thoughts so much higher than our thoughts. We are so small.
A supernatural cause yet holding to natural laws that we can observe. I always have thought God to be consistent with His Law. Not breaking it but holding to it.
Others that don't understand the outcome by an ingenious process would call it magic.
God's not bound by the laws of nature, but his creation is. Just because I build a car doesn't mean I can make it go 800 mph whenever I want. I can however add, replace, and destroy parts whenever I feel like it. Now obviously this is simplistic, but I believe it applies.
God's not bound to our ideas of the laws of nature or the universe he created it and everything we think we know about the laws of science might not line up with what God's laws are
I think people keep using science to explain it because while some people believe in the supernatural, not everyone does. Some sometimes we need science to breakthrough those walls.
And yet God is still pleased with His children seeking answers. Some of us are just built this way.
God's Awesome power is unfathomably complex, and His creation is beyond total comprehension... Science is merely our meager attempt to scratch the surface of how infinitely detailed existence is... It's difficult for some to grasp that God Almighty can literally do ANYTHING, and I Worship Him, Not His creation but the Creator Himself ❤
Thank you God for this amazing gift!!!
You are correct...God is AWESOME. In fact, we probably don't have one or even a thousand adjectives in our finite mind that could possibly describe the awesomeness of God; however, I believe even God has limits. So, to say God can literally do anything may not be 100% accurate. Figuratively, yes, God can do anything, but literally? For example, God can't lie. When he speaks, he speaks things into existence, and he wouldn't be holy if He were able to lie. Next, God can't take away free will without taking away love, and since 1st John 4:8,&16 tell us "God IS love" wouldn't taking away free will take away God since love is a principle not an emotion? And then, let's ponder these 2 questions...can God make something so heavy that not even he can lift it? Or can God make something so dense that not even he can see through it? And finally, I will close with this thought: Can God make a human go back in time? So yes, I do believe even our endless awesome God has limits.
@@brianwantz7710 going back in time... that would require power greater than light. Jesus is the light. So wether possible or not, is irrelevant, Jesus is the gatekeeper.
@Peter Steele whether that miracle can or can not be accomplished, will be something I look forward to asking him when I see him soon
@@brianwantz7710 This "Can God make something so heavy that even He can't lift it?" question clearly illustrates the limits of rational human argument. For not only the abilities, but the UNDERSTANDING of God is permanently beyond human comprehension. He is the Creator, we are the created. Love is the only transcending factor; we love Him because He first loved us. Amen.
@Ray Search "God being beyond human comprehension" ain't that the truth...but I sure look forward to spending eternity with him...I sure have a lot of questions that are definitely beyond my human comprehension.
“Your word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens” (Psalm 119:89). “The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever” (Isaiah 40:8). “I the Lord do not change” (Malachi 3:6). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matthew 24:35).
You cannot think for yourself eh, and must - like a good Jew mindlessly chant bits of the jewbook.
Are you a blood Jew or a religious Jew?
With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
With men this is impossible, but with fairy tales everything is possible
@@JuanManuel-ep8do don’t be a fool.
@@GreatOldOne9866 don't be a gullible dumbass
@@JuanManuel-ep8do only a FOOL says in his heart , there is No God
Pretty easy to explain just about everything when your God is all powerful, isn't it!
Isaiah 45:12 KJV
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
It’s an interesting fable.
Matthew 5:11-12
@@rubytuby6369 Yes - Blessed!🙏
@@petemiller2920 Science can not explain anything, they just confirm that God did it all.
@@tonysheerness2427 Thank you for the funniest thing I've heard all year 😂
“In the beginning, Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands” -Hebrews 1:10
And what part of bible explains the big bang??!
@@trev1978 the "and the heavens are the work of your hand" part. IF there was a big bang, it was God speaking the universe into being. "let there be light"
@@victuss1413 Firstly, the Earth is around 5 billion years old. FACT. The bible claims only 6,000 years old. Big problem there! Secondly, dinosaurs have been PROVEN to exist on Earth up to 65 million years ago- yet another problem with your bible storys. Don’t ever misplace your opinions as being FACTS. The bible is mostly fictional
A biblical quote, a claim, with no evidence at all.
Very good discussion. I have changed my mind several times in several ways when thinking about this topic, and I think it's okay for Christians to have open minds about it. There are beliefs that are subject to change, and there are beliefs that are NOT subject to change, like God as creator of everything, Jesus as his Son and our Savior, Genesis as accurate history.
Yes, and Jesus created all things too.
God made Adam at a mature age, such as 33 years old let's say. He was a man. So if God created Man with age, then also the Universe could be created with age.
@@MilesStoner “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
2 Peter 3:5
Exactly right ....he created it old.
@@MilesStoner stand amazed that the Word has and explains everything............ everything. 🙏🏼
@@kentracer4129 brother in Christ thank you I had no clue 2nd Peter said that and I and I feel a kindred with Peter cuz I'm very outspoken and mistakenly outspoken often at times but humble enough to admit that, lol, All by the Grace of God!
I stand amazed at all times my brethren ... Just speaking to someone the other day and I was like I think God's trying to show off, as a joke tho, but I'm driving home in the car last night and I say to myself how do people not believe that God has revealed himself in this way when no man could do it. We couldn't string together these things that have lasted for thousands of years and generations it would be virtually impossible for us to do. Virtually, it's impossible for humans to this. Especially when you consider the story going from Jew to Gentile and it not benefiting the apostles it didn't benefit Jesus it didn't benefit the patriarchs from the Old Testament. All these men wore gained nothing other than God's presence, which to me is the goal it is the end game... To be in the presence of God Eternally.
Amen, thank you for sharing my friend
While many try to grapple with these types of issues, I rest in this:
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
If you want to argue that God is incomprehensible to us, then ok, maybe so. But that also means that attributing things you can't explain to God, is to not actually understand anything.
Science has previously explained things that were once attributed to 'acts of God', so why should we just accept the current unknowns as being unknowable?
I am a scientist with a particular passion for Astronomy, and I teach Astronomy and General Relativity and have found a compelling argument made in the Anisotropic Synchronous Convention put forth by both Albert Einstein and Dr. Jason Lisle. And I would respectfully Disagree with Dr. Faulkner about the scientific method. The modern scientific method was developed by Galileo in response to Aristotelian thinking that the world around us can be explained primarily through logic and reasoning. Aristotle taught that heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones, and Galileo came along and tested it through experimentation. He also did similar things with observing moons of Jupiter, and sun spots which gave rise to the observational aspect of the scientific method. The modern scientific method is Observe, Test, Repeat and that line of thinking really became popular with Galileo, and not the 1980s. So I would strongly disagree with his assertion there.
@stephenbellomy What are your thoughts on the anisotropy of the CMB ? Has yet another failed prediction of the Copernican principle brought you back to Yaweh's word? Has yet another philosophically forced adhoc explanation for why it appears to be geocentric not made you realize that Einstein is wrong? That Copernicus was wrong?
We will never really understand until we are standing infront of the father and he tells us how it all works . For now we can have ideas and theories but that’s what it will always be. God bless you all !
It is science that does not know how the universe works or where it came from. Seems all science is about is endless speculation in an effort to remove god from the picture.
How can a finite mind understand an infinite mind.
The Genesis creation story sounds more like an ignorant mind. The writer didn’t know that the sun is a star, that the moon doesn’t give off its own light and that the earth orbits the sun.
Yes! 👍🏼
@@davidgardner863 The earth is flat.
@@emojidinosaur7300 , Then why can’t we see the North Star and northern constellations from Australia?
@@davidgardner863 in order to determine if the ground is flat, I must look up???
We read in Jer 51:15 that the Lord stretched out the heaven by His understanding. I imagine that as time, space & matter were created, it also affected distance and all of this was being stretched out. The speed of light itself, being part of that creative work was stretched, so it seems conceivable that it all took place almost instantaneously but then slowed to its present expansion speed.
That’s my position as well
Stretching can explain why we can see millions of light years away. It could also complement a kind of a big bang and creation explains how God reformed the earth six thousand years ago.
@@dok9024It was FORMED, not reformed!
Then when did an event happen that appears to us in an object 20 million LY away? Are we being fooled or having a divine illusion played for us? No.
Except astronomers detect supernova in other galaxies. These temporary events would've never happened even in a stretching universe.
God is going to make all things new in the twinkling of an eye.
No reason to believe that.
Or perhaps not. The Flying Spaghetti Monster/Blue Unicorn/pixies/leprechauns/the brass teapot is going to make all things new........
Including wars, fires and parasites making little children blind.
@@asphalthedgehog6580 Need we add avalanches, earthquakes with tsunamis, brain-eating worms, pandemics, street shootings and muggings.........?
@@stevepierce6467 yes we do. And the billions of innocent animals and millions of children that died in 'the flood'.
I really like this guy. Nice to have someone on our side with expertise to explain this question. I’ve always just believed it by faith understanding that my thinking is finite and God is God. But love it when things God has done gets “scientifically” proven. Love it
....except for the fact he didn't explain the question and what "expertise" ? What was "proven" here ?
@@thecollector6746 Exactly! These young earthers start off with a bias: Creative days must be literally 24 hours. All the explanations are necessitated to retain that bias. Remove the need to throw all this together in six literal days and the existing science isn't a problem. It is the bias that leads this combat against Occam's Razor. As you point out, he didn't reach a solution, just conjectures.
Do you even understand what it means for something to be scientifically proven.
On the side of make believe and lies.
A humble, inquisitive mind is a good thing. Our natural arrogance is not a good thing. Read and ponder God’s response at the latter end of Job. When i consider how many times our smartest men have thought that they had something figured out only to later be proven entirely incorrect I am instantly skeptical when I hear someone who thinks they know something.
If we can only discover how to travel from place to place like Jesus in a twinkling of an eye 👁🗨 , distances no longer a problem. Lord teach us Your Ways is my prayer.
Even arrogance, in the service of God, is a Good thing. Read Paul. In Church many Christians and most pastors adopt a fake humility which is basically effeminate hypocrisy. The Bible not only condemns homosexuality, but also "soft men" at times rendered effeminate. Calling someone a gentleman is actually a Biblical insult. The evil Chivalry of Aquitaine has deeply corrupted the Church.
It is for women to be soft. A hard man is in general a blessing, physically, mentally and spiritually. There is a time to be gentle for a man, in dealing with the broken hearted. If you read most of what Christ did and said, most of the time He was neither meek nor gentle.
Or as a recent book declares, It Is Good to Be a Man.
why are you kinderlander(mercans/Americans) so addicted to humbug?There is just no curing you idolaters of your idolatry is there? Must you drag *everyrhing* down yo the level of your gutter with your vile anthropomorphism?
What if God, before time existed in eternity past, conceived the cosmos fully complete, then when He spoke each day into existence, it came to be in a form that is billions of years old, as each day proceeds forward in real-time? That would satisfy the six days of creation, the distant starlight problem, and would not contradict the Biblical genealogy and prophecies of God's word.
The Earth is where the Biblical story begins. Our Salvation is what His story is about, and Jesus, the Word of God, is the story's hero.
2 Peter 3:5 “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them........old already.
You have the right idea, Ezekiel 28:11-19 KJV happened before Genesis 1:2. The sin of Lucifer caused the original Earth to receive judgement and he was cast out of God's presence. Some people argue with this idea, but a close look proves it true. The word "Darkness" in verse two means death, misery, chaos, and destruction. This is one of the only two places in the Bible that use this spelling. Before Adam or Eve sin, Satan already exists and is calling God a liar. The simple fact is, sin existed before this recreation, it entered into the world through one man, Adam. Genesis also makes it ancillary when it nonchalantly says, he made the stars also.
I could go on and on about this subject but it is UA-cam and I have 1 finger typing.
And the main theme of the Bible is not about salvation of man, it is about the restoration of the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven. It is about the throne that only God belongs on and the eternal judgment of sin. The two Kingdoms are not the same thing. One is physical and the other is spiritual.
That doesn’t explain the distant starlight problem. The light we are seeing today from stars that are millions of light years away had to travel millions of light years to get here.
@@kentracer4129That is not what Peter is saying. He’s only saying that God’s word was the active agent in the creation of all, and that unbelievers willingly forget that. Genesis only gives a specific timeline for creation of all life on earth and everything that is needed to sustain life on earth, 6 days. Genesis 1: 1-2 do not give a timeline for the creation of the “heavens and the earth”. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the universe/earth was created and that much time passed before God spoke life on earth into existence.
We have to keep two major points in mind: 1) God did what is in the Bible. 2) The stars are there for reasons. If humans couldn't see the stars, then what good would they be? My personal belief is that since God made the rules, he suspended the rules during creation and then set the rules -- including light speed. If you think about this, it explains why we can see the stars, but then light speed would be as it is now. The point is, God is true and we believe Him. End of subject.
Psalm 8:3 English Standard Version
When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,
That last complete comment from the doctor was like a compilation of all the theories of late, it was most comprehensive. I so appreciate him and your podcast ❤️
None of the nonsense this grifter presented counts as Scientific Theories as they have absolutely no demonstrable facts to back them up. To even label them as hypotheses would be far too generous.
You are been brainwashed by an ideological based pseudoscience version of the real sciences, talk about twisting of fact and moulding it to suit faith, this is laughable yet you lap it up because it reaffirms your own desire to want to belief, you are suffering confirmation bias where you seek out in science only that that can be applied to the bible supportively.
@@thecollector6746 100% agree. He could have saved himself an entire hour of talking and just stuck with, "God Done It!" Because that is all he said in the long run. I don't think he even knows how far out intonspace we can actually see. Otherwise he'd possibly try to explain why the further we look the younger galaxies are. I am sure the church pays these AIG people well for them to crap out this nonsense though and absolute morons eat it up like any of it meant something if substance.
Why doesn’t anyone explore the possibility that the speed of light is slowing down? The experiments over the last few hundred years have shown a general decrease in the speed of light even after you account for the margin of error in those older tests. Why does nobody do any research in that direction? I understand that we can’t go back 300 years and repeat their experiments, but we have good data from about 30 years ago. Is our precision insufficient to determine whether the speed of light has changed since the 80s?
Why would it?
@@imafeltersnatch7634 inertia
@@DavidRice111 You obviously don't understand the subject
When did light speed slow down?
Your apparent ignorance of the subject is the biggest problem for you
citation needed, please!
I've never heard this question addressed.. it has been said that if you travel at the speed of light you would hardly age at all and can return to the Earth that has aged far more that you have, Just like in planet of the Apes... My question is, Wouldn't this also hold true for light itself? Since it is moving at the speed of light?
When God said,"Let there be light". It was so. It doesn't matter if its is billions of miles away or not.
The answer to that question lies in The creation of Man. How old was Adam when God breathed life into him? Was he a full grown Man or a Baby?
The same holds true with the universe. When He spoke it into creation it didn't have to expand or evolve, it just happened.
Simple solution is, the universe is old, the earth is young. That explains light from distant stars. God is eternal, what would you think he was doing before he made the earth?
Firstly, according to the Bible, on the first day God created light. Since the Earth did not exist yet the six days of creation mentioned in the Bible cannot refer to earthly days. Secondly, who's to say that the Almighty God cannot create an eternal Universe?
Nothing created can be eternal
@ Chris' Wife - it's inaccurate to say that we don't know what a star is because we're studying the one that's 93,000,000 miles away from us… Our own sun. We know how that particular star behaves and we're able to recognize similar behavior in distant stars.
But when I read Genesis regarding the 6 days of creation I followed the formula I was taught early on… Look at words and phrases that are repeated again and again. Consider the biblical audience it was originally written to, look for patterns and rhythms. And during days 1-4 you're seeing separations and clarifications. You're seeing void and obscurity become defined and clear. You're seeing chaos become order. And you don't have something defining a 24 hour day until day 4. And I think it is odd that he says "then there was evening and there was morning the first day" and so on. I don't see that defining a 24 hour day ...placing lights in the sky to define a 24 hour day happens on day 4. Prior to that evening to morning could very well describe moving from void to something, chaos to order, obscurity or confusion to clarity and so on. God is the master of time not the other way around. God exists outside of time, space, matter, energy, and our physics ...otherwise he couldn't have created them. He's not from this realm… We are of this realm because we were created in it. We are bound by this realm but he is not. We don't know what his "day" consisted of in the beginning… He gave US a 24 hour day on day 4. That's what I read. It doesn't make him less of a creator. But it relieves us of the burden of trying to comprehend how he went about it because he is clearly way beyond our comprehension. He gave us a sequence of events and outline to go by and the rest is faith.
100% there’s no reason to believe that every part of the creation story is literal. It literally can’t be as you said there can’t be days with an earth spinning around a star. I have no problem with the earth being billions of years old as the objective evidence indicates and god created so of it. The only reason that can’t be true is because zealots say so
I really don't care if it's literal or if in the words of DEVO 'God made Man, but a monkey applied the glue'. That's God's problem, not mine. Only thing I have to really worry about is being Saved. That's it. None of us were there, and so none of us really knows what happened, from the creation scientist to the most materialistic atheist. We weren't there. I listen to JMG videos and it gets so funny when he finds himself basically postulating God without just going ahead and saying the G-word when he gets into Simulation Theory, but nobody knows. Nobody knows. We weren't there. All I have to do as a Christian, in the words of CS Lewis, is to think Christianity reflects reality better than the other belief systems.
God never created chaos in creation.
@@thomasspringer5187 Nor play dice with the universe....
@@thomasspringer5187 evil seems pretty chaotic for starters. Where do you get that from? What is your definition of chaos and what does that have to do with an omnipotent being? The hubris it takes to talk like you're god, it's ridiculous, and you don't even realize you're doing it. What you think or want or would do has nothing to do with anything.
Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
several verses say God stretched out the stars.
Try this verse. 2 Peter 3:5
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
1st Kings 7:23 And he made the Sea of cast bronze, ten cubits from one brim to the other; it was completely round. Its height was five cubits, and a line of thirty cubits measured its circumference. So according to the Bible, pi is not 3.141592.... It is 3. The Bible is not a science book!
@@markgiovannozzi642 - the brim was a handsbreadth that makes it = pi on the outside and a little smaller on the inside.
So you think God, the creature of the whole universe, lives above Earth, of all places
In my solution which I get from my feeling from God is that he created the stars, galaxies, and everything else in the universe within our view and then spread out the universe. He never said where he created them so why do we assume that he created them light years away. I think he created them possibly within a few days of light away and then pushed them or spread them out as stated. On course we’d be able to see the light from them as he moved them farther and farther away.
He can create the universe with the light already on his way, light that shows events that technically didn’t happen, but did happen because God is God.
God created Adam who is already an adult, just like he created an earth that already had 4.5 billion years of history (fossils and all) inside of the universe that’s already 13 billion years old.
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
@@Eman-vp5wk What? 🤪 There's no such thing as 4.5 billion years of earth history or of 13 billion year old universe lol. That's really insane. An insane amount of (imagimary) time.
Just look how much we've screwed up the world and ourselves in just the 6000 or so years of real, ACTUAL history lol? As if we'd last anywhere near that long.
That's an Atheist/Secular Humanist creation myth. Fantasy. Delusion. Made up. Not real. Not true.
Are you a Christian or an atheist/heathen? For Him or against Him?
You can't be both so best make up your mind quick!
Don't go with "feelings from God". You may be right, may be wrong. I disagree cause fossils indicate death, which came after Adam, but I disagree based on scripture, not feelings. "feelings from God" lead to all kinds of things that aren't from God, because they never were from God. Mormons get "feelings from God" but I guarantee they ain't.
I thought this too but then in this case wouldn't we see the stars getting further away (smaller) at a faster rate? I think matured creation makes sense because God may have sped up time to create everything and allow the light to travel here
Sometimes thinking too much is most of the problem
Occam's Razor has no place in this discussion!!! ;)
Live in the present moment
Not thinking at all is a bigger problem.
@@Name92391 It's also the solution to all problems. Just like alcohol! (ht: Homer Simpson. . .)
thinking to much is the reason why out culture advance. if we did not do that we will be still in the stone age
The background information for this video says 'Most Christians are at a loss as to how to answer the question of distant starlight'. After watching the video, it seems Dr Faulkner is also at a loss. I'm happy to accept 'it's just a miracle' as an explanation, but I suspect that answer won't impress many scientifically minded enquirers.
But I think the point is that it is saying it was a miracle in such a way that does not cause more questions in science. If you take the Mature Creation view (that Dr. Faulkner rejects), that could be called a 'miracle' as well. But it causes alot of other unresolvable questions. This "Dasha" views does not give rise to those questions, so seems to be a superior view.
@@ThinkingGodsThoughts Thanks Tom for a helpful clarification of Dr Faulkner's view. I think the issue for me is that in a lot of other areas of science, Christian scientists attempt to give some sort of potentially scientific explanation for the observable evidence. In this case, Dr Faulkner seems to have just given up any hope of finding an explanation and just says 'it's a miracle that we can't explain'. As I commented, based on the background blurb, I was expecting something a bit more scientific. It would have been more honest to say ' Most Christians are at a loss as to how to answer the question of distant starlight, and so are we: so let's just call it a miracle, and move on'.
The truth is that much of astronomy is a sham "science" that exists only to support evolution.
Here's the verse which explains it. God leaves nothing out.
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
2 Peter 3:5
Basically he views it as a sped-up process
A light year is a measurement of distance, not a measurement of time.
Actually, it's both. For example, if I'm traveling at a speed of 50 mph, I know that it's going to take me two hours to go 100 miles. Likewise, a lightyear is a distance that is measured by the time it takes light to travel from point A to point B in one year.
A light year is 31,000 earth years, I have that memorized, yay me! 🤠 I made sure to memorize that so every time I heard of Christian talk about the fake solar system and the planets in the stars and other things that allegedly happened up there I can remind myself how ridiculous it sounds. Someone thinks there’s a remote control satellite can fly around for 30 years without any maintenance. It’s technically in the past and it’s 100 years away, but still gets the signal, come on now. God made,the earth flat and stationary
What if the Bible is not to be interpreted literally? After all, literal interpretation of the Bible is a relatively new phenomenon.
No it is not new. All scholars or Hebrew and Semitic language agree that Genesis is history. Jesus, Paul, and Peter affirmed it as such. What is new to read cosmological, geologic, and biological evolution into the text or deny that it has any basis in reality because men do believe in the creator God of the Bible.
God's creation of the universe was miracleas and supernatural so it then follows that the processes he used was also miracleas and supernatural which means the normal and natural way things form and grow could have been supernaturally accelerated throughout the creation week and that includes the speed in which light moves in a vacuum now of course I don't know for sure whether or not the LORD done it that way but that is the way I take it which is based on my understanding of the creation account and may or may not be the way he done it?
If God created everything then he created punctuation maybe you could use some
Really great content and this tracks with my private belief of the way miraculous creation of a fully formed universe then entered a "run time" fully functioning universe.
Science proves a young earth is impossible
@@missouritravelersplease explain. Formerly, I agreed. But, the quest for a more robust understanding of science, particularly quantum physics, has lead me right back to the unseen realm!
@@IAmALawyerTooliterally just radiometric dating. And CMBR + Einstein field equation + redshift of distant galaxies to get the Hubble constant and figure out the age of the universe
Hello AIG from Fairfield, Montana! Looking forward to what you have to say about distant starlight. From what I have read, it seems the secularists not only have their own problems with distant starlight, but they also have far more problems, many of which are far more serious, and many of them fatal to their secular model.
Aloha and God bless! Keep up the good work!
I don't know what you have read, but none of the "problems" which you allude to but don't specify are details of interpretation which in no way alter the confirmed facts of at least 13 billion years
@steve pierce "are details of interpretation which in no way alter the confirmed facts of at least 13 billion years"
Confirmed facts? That statement alone exposes either your utterly inexcusable ignorance or your total disrespect of how science works (unless, of course, you're only five).
Hello!... No mortal human being has any way to confirm the universe is 13 billion years old. You may think you "know," but it is incredibly delusional to claim that you know.
And if you're not willing to face the facts concerning the limitations of our finite existence, then no amount of actual evidence will ever persuade you to submit to the objectivity of the measurable and testable physical facts and evidence.
For instance, the big dud model's most qualified proponents predicted that the galaxies furthest from us should appear to be much older since they would have had longer to develop.
Our model's proponents, obviously, predicted they should look about the same as ours.
And, as usual, guess whose model aligns with the observable facts and evidence?
Not yours, in case you're unable to even think against your preprogrammed dogma.
If I were you, I'd be pissed off at them because of how they've been duping you with such weak and easily refuted propaganda jabs. But not nearly as pissed as I'd be at myself for allowing it in the first place.
I mean, how many times do they have to be caught lying, withholding, maligning, and modifying the physical evidence before you begin to question the validity of the things they're saying?
@@stevepierce6467 you mean the theory of 13 billion years, just like the "theory" of evolution, not fact
@@DefeatTheWokeEstablishment Based on analysis of known scientific measurements, such as the speed of light and many other things, 13+ billion years is accepted scientific fact, just as the "Germ Theory of Disease" is a fact.
Where is Fairfield Montana near? I live in Montana. Never heard of your town.
There's actually question over weather or not we can accurately measure light speed so if that's true that could offer explanation. But I'm also willing to accept the ideas in this video.
Just because there are a few pieces of data that have areas we dont understand, does not discount years of scientific observation and rigourously proven facts
Actually proven facts suggest that the speed of light should actually be labeled the "Speed of Light Interaction".
Anyone carefully hearing Einstien will notice his version of Distance is through Time Only.
Secondly the type of Wave offered by the Cesium 133 is of a standing wave. In this type of wave, placing many of these events next to each other do not match the definition of velocity.
12 dudes doing jumping Jack's next to each other (regardless how fast they are doing them). They basically remain in the same position.
Fun Fact:
Adam and Eve didn't start aging until after the Fall. So, trying to use the genealogical record from the Bible to calculate/determine the age of the universe is not going to be a very accurate way to do it, especially since we have no idea how much time had passed before the Fall.
One time consideration: No child conceived before fall of mankind.
What if the universe was much smaller at the start? And for some reason massively expanded
Job 9:8 He stretches out the heavens. We can see that happening today. The stars of Orion's belt is widening. (Job 38:31)
They say the stars twinkle wouldn't if the stretching happened/happening faster than light wouldnt we see the starlight as a twinkle almost like a morse code signal - - - - - - -
@@ericbaer9089 Your ridiculous book of bronze aged nonsense also says that the stars are fixed in a celestial sphere, and that the Sun and Moon are both smaller than the Earth and also orbit The Earth....it claims that the Earth was created before the Sun and Moon, it says that Whales are Fish, and Bats are Birds.......
@@thecollector6746cite me where in The Bible it says the sun and moon are both smaller than the earth if you want any credibility
Lots of things are said to discredit creation or the word of God, but I often find that they have been mislead or may need to study the word of GOD more. I think it’s worth reading the word a little on some of these specific topics more may help sift through what it actually says including the context.
@@THESHOWBOAT It literally says all of this in Genesis you dolt. It's almost as if you don't actually know what's in your "Holy Book"
I have learned something in my life, if the Bible says so, I believe it.
@@kateescarlet9693 You don't even have a Bible do you, where in the Bible does it say that. You are probably a atheist.
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@@Jesusismykin So you believe:
Talking snakes
God peeking to see if Adam & Eve were naked.
Walking sticks can turn into serpents
A sea can split apart and you can walk across it on dry land.
The 4 corners of the Earth
Noah put every kind of animal on Earth in a big boat.
God told Joshua to kill every living thing in Jericho except for one prostitute
etc. etc. etc.
Okay
How about the ten commandments, and to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
How about just believing the things Jesus taught. Is that trustworthy enough to be a Christian?.
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WE NEVER DIE.
I agree . Nature isn't natural. It's super natural. All creation is supernatural. We live in a supernatural world.
With a supernatural creator, God the Father!
No we don't. That's only your imagination
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I've heard about the idea of the speed of light being different, as well as the speed of light changing over the years. And then also that space is expanding in every direction which means that stars were likely a lot closer in the past as they are now. So looking at something that is a thousand light years away now might have been a hundred in the past.
Nope. This is impossible.
You do know that there are untold trillions of galaxies? You are claiming that trillions of Galaxies existed in a tiny part of our present Galaxy 6,000 years ago?
Communications between earth and voyager space crafts can be calculated based on the speed being the same in both directions. There are no differences detected. This tells me that the the different speeds theory is not accurate, at least in our solar system. Is there some explanation for this?
Actually, you cannot calculate the speed of light in both directions. Google it.
At about 16:40, it is mentioned that the speed of light one way could be 2c while in the other direction it could be infinite. Well simple math would then say the calculation of c would then be 4 times the speed of light. ( suppose d= one way distance, and the expected time for back & forth distance with c being the speed of light is t1=2d/c, so if for one direction light's speed is 2c and the return is infinite then t2=d/2c +d/ꝏ =d/2c +0= d/2c, so 4xt2=2d/c qed).
He talked a lot but said nothing of substance.
I view that if God made the universe, then He made something outside of Himself. So as someone outside a universe expanding at nearly the speed of light, time would have slowed greatly. I have heard, and believe that the 13.7 billion years that we have measured the universe to be could be for God a mere 5 or 6 days for Him. I don't believe it diminishes God but then I don't believe God would try to deceive us. I believe Good put such order in the universe that all He needs to do is elicit the changes to form the many different creatures that have lived on this earth.
I like to think of the whole of the universe as a playground that God has made for us to explore for eternity. That is not in the Bible, it's really just wishful thinking on my part.
Same! It feels like it’s too big for us to never get to appreciate it
It implies postmil may be right, since we won’t create more people in eternity, so maybe we’ll reach a population of octillions before he returns
2 Peter 3:5 “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them........old already.
The scientists are observing the old heavens and old earth, which GOD had subjected to corruption. Rom.8:20
The New Heavens and the New earth will be free from corruption and will be just like the original creation. Observations of the old heavens and old earth are not going to impart the true knowledge of the original creation, since sin has entered. The best thing to do is to stick to the Words of the Holy Scriptures.
@@ngdavid3925 You are the only one that has shown an understanding of what the Bible says about this. What you said is the correct answer and in a little while fools will attempt to challenge it. I don't waste time on fools because God said not to cast pearls before the swine. Open minded people in person get a detailed answer, closed minded fools don't get acknowledged.
This was fantastic. I thought the Word said both "stretched" and "stretches". Anyway, I love how honest and relaxed this presentation is. I'd be interested in a more detailed timeline of a matured eclipsing binary system. The point he made is well taken, that if the eclipsing we see did not actually happen then that seems problematic. Keep these videos coming
Nothing about it was honest.
@@davidgardner863Nothing about your allegation is honest. David, are you being honest? 😊 I say that slightly tongue-in-cheek; David, the entire discussion is infused with and supported by astronomical, scientific knowledge ON WHICH he builds the conclusions. We have no such information to show your allegation is a legitimate criticism.
@@kellyhudspeth1736 , He starts out with facts and then makes up stuff to make it fit in with his belief in a literal interpretation of the creation week. I’m an amateur astronomer and if you knew anything about astronomy you would know I’m being honest and he isn’t. He like all creation scientists is being dishonest because he tosses out everything we know as fact if it doesn’t fit his belief. He starts with a 6000 year old universe as a given and goes on from there.
@@kellyhudspeth1736 Do you ever listen to Stuart Burgess? He's got some incredible presentations about the design of man.
It's not problematic for God, no more than Jesus turning water into wine without an actual history, but a perceived history of fermentation.
The mental gymnastics here would win an Olympic gold medal
exactly... these people jump through all these hoops, simple answer is if you think the earth is 6000 years old you are a MORON of biblical proportions :) lol
No one required you to watch here did they boy
@@JohnnySilverfoot Tortured arguments, trying to squeeze troublesome scientific facts into Bible ideology.
AGAIN SON..NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR INPUT
@JohnnySilverfoot How come your input is OK but others are not?
The ancient near east did not view time strictly as incremental units of measurement, but rather the period in which processes unfold.
As the Bible says I who have stretched out the heavens
Speed of light is slowing down and was much faster at creation
Answer is so simple - God is the creator of stars and light. He also created the light waves extending from the stars to the earth at the same time he created the stars. His greatness and ability is beyound we humans can ever think if,
This implies that God show things never happened to us. This does not make lots of sense to me, it is as if God created Adam in all its maturity but nevertheless let us see Adam’s baby photos first.
It will be interesting to see what data the Webb telescope provides.
Hopefully it's not censored
The Webb Telescope has provided much new data since you made your comment a year ago.
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@@justinpfrunder5951 huh?
@@justinpfrunder5951 I think it’s 8631 turtles
Question: if all the matter in the universe supposedly jumped into existence in one magic moment, why wouldn’t light, gravitation and electromagnetic connections ALL have simply existed from that magical moment? Why, for instance, would light from one star be delayed getting to earth for “billions of years” if all the matter started out at the same point?
I've often though about all this and I've come up with what if God doesn't actually reside within the universe and if that was the case time would be practically irrelevant. It may have been 7 days from God's perspective outside the universe but within each day was 100s of millions of years. I don't know how it all went down but I do believe it's God's work. I think everything has happened exactly the way it suppossed to work and that if the universe is 13 billion years old or 6k its because that's how it had to be for it to work. How do we know this is his first universe?
Nice to know that others live in the same wormholes, pondering the same unknowable questions.
Yom implies 'a period of time'... not necessarily a 'literal day'... YHWH employs the miraculous and the natural (my position) in the Creation Event...
It specifically says that a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years to God this only means that God can manipulate time a space and time and gravity means nothing to him. People get that wrong and assume that he created things in one of our days. The creation story is his story not ours and in that context it could have taken him a million years to create the universe only he knows.
@@kenlinden9621 You can't just read that one word. the bible says: 'evening and then morning, the second day', CLEARLY saying that it was an actual 24 hour day...
I put my ear to the book... didn't hear it say anything... "...but by every word that YWH is saying...".
Ephesians 5:11-14 NKJV
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them...
For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. Therefore He says: “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.
Amen..
All things are possible with God! God is supernatural ! The son's of God are all supernatural except Adam !
I'm not a young earth creationist, but I believe time ran more quickly in the past. It seems reasonable that as spacetime expands, something changes. I don't believe it solves the problem for YEC's, but it's interesting nonetheless. As scientists observe very distant stars with a known brightness, the stars are acceleratng faster and faster from us, the further those stars are away. Time running more quickly in the past would explain this phenomenon.
I'm with you in a way on that idea
If Adam and Eve triggered the fall and sin then how were there millions of years of dinosaurs and other animals living and dying and eating each other? This is something I cannot reconcile with that viewpoint as I believe the Bible to be true.
I’m in the young earth camp until God revels otherwise. There is too much that scientists do not know or even consider. What is space within which matter and time resides? Does space have a speed at which it travels, expands or retracts? Does space move in a all directions with varying speeds as the currents of the oceans? How much does the movement of space change perceive light velocity, distance, energy, gravity etc? As near as I can tell we are 5+ dimensional beings with a 4 dimensional consciousness (x, y, z, time).
If you don't have the actual physical star et al it is impossible to create regardless of what the astronomers say. Example is an EKG. It is done over and over and relatively accurate. But, if a person has a third artery called a remus (I think that's the name), so this could be something in and/or around this star that is undetectable. The EKG won't show if you had a heart attack because the EKG most times (99%) cannot pick up that third artery and thus the only way to see if the person had a heart attack was through extensive blood work, not simple blood work and they have to look for certain enzymes that a markers for saying, yeah that person had a heart attack. Also, dating items they can hold well, they are incorrect at times too. So, it is impossible unless you physically have it in front of you and you "can touch it" whatever it is and even then one can make mistakes, just read the above heart attack scenario.
You may come close, but it is difficult to be 100% and if you aren't 100% then that is speculation.
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For a period of time after the attack there is a longer QT interval, and ST elevation. So yes an ECG will show recent myocardial infarction. If the electrical current finds another path, it will still show but differently. If there's tissue damage, that's seen as well. Enzyme testing is for confirmation and determining timing for the appropriatetreatment protocols.
Time dilation may explain a few contradictions in reading, but doesn't explain the 6000 years old creation myth. Nowhere in the bible does it say 6000 years. That's an American myth.
Most scientists are men of God, from Newton to Mendel to Galileo. None of them would agree to the creation myth of 6000 years.
@bellavista2158 The Bible doesn't strictly say "the earth is only 6000 years old" because during the time it was written it wouldn't have been anywhere near 6000. What the Bible does give us is the genealogy of Adam to Noah, then the genealogy of Noah to Abraham, and so on and so forth until we get to Christ.
@@el-duderino975reason I believe the earth is old and and not young is the fact 6 thousand years is not long a nuff for us to be so diverse with different DNA and genes
How are you skeptical of something you can’t see physically anyways? Doesn’t that go against what you believe about god?
How about answers in other parts like this:
Deuteronomy 21: 18-21
Timothy 2: 11-14
Leviticus 26: 27-30
Deuteronomy, 25: 11-12
Mark 14: 51-52
Ezekiel 4: 15
Zechariah 13: 3
Genesis 16: 7-9
1 Peter 2: 18
Ezekiel 23: 20
So many ideas you guys have. Light is like a garment. God wears it like a garment. Jacob had coat of many colors. God stretched out the heavens like a curtain and the light was stretched with it. Not just the space.
Isaiah 45:12
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
@@K_DZ236 2 Peter 3:5
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
He created them .........old.
Science should have left the bats alone.
I'm currently coming into the understanding that we have the same creative, creation power within us, to speak into existence things that are not yet, as long as we are in the right direction or pointing in the correct prophetic flow as for example Isaiah, then we can bring into existence, say a new planet, a new light, a new dimensional breakthrough in our perception of reality and creation, We are made from the very star stuffas the creator God. This power i believe is within us, our words are much more powerful than we know. .we can create life or death..
The best explanation I've heard is from Jason Lisle where he explains its a matter of synchronization conventions. We use Einsteins synchronization convention which assumes light travels the same speed both ways. But what if it doesnt? What if it's a matter of the viewpoint of the observer?
The funny thing ab the constant speed of ligjt is the Lorentz- Fitzgerald transformation idea, that mass changes.
Indont buy it at all
@@HeritageWealthPlanning Speed of light is NOT constant- proven many times to be slowing down. They think it may have been 6 million times faster during Abraham's day- interesting stuff for sure.
@@bigbob3772 What of the movement of space? Space stretches easily enough (Jer 10:12). Maybe it contracts as well, I don’t know of a Scripture that speaks of space contracting unless it’s part and parcel of the same thing. How does the flexibility of space affect time and light?
@@bigbob3772Name one of these ‘proofs’ that shows its slowing down.
@@HeritageWealthPlanningOf course you don’t. You’re an id-ot.
One of the greatest problems when the vast majority of scientists just accept on going theories as unquestionable truths is that it makes them ask the wrong questions. They miss out coming up with theories that would truly enlighten reality. This is why creationist are so much more fascinating to listen to. They are starting with the truth of God’s word.
The great Isaac Walton believed in God's creative work just like so many other great scientists who laid the foundations for modern science. Natural sciences started to decline only after Darwin had published his "Origin of Species". It was more a political pamphlet than a scientific study, aiming to shake the powers of Church and Monarchy.
Their world view easily distorts their discoveries and even what they search for. Presuming it’s all by undirected natural forces introduces some serious problems that hinder discoveries and conclusions.
Scientist make decisions on repeatable, observable facts. Their theories are the best possible understanding of a subject. Youre right, there should ALWAYS be reasonable doubt in anything. But, if scientist were wrong, we wouldnt have smart phones, the internet, clean water, electricity, air planes, basically anything.
Ok....My question is.....How do we know beyond any doubt that these stars are millions of miles away from us?
We don’t -
You can Google search this subject and educate yourself on the science behind it. We could ask how we know anything about any other kind of science as well. It would be silly to ask how we know how electrons exist when we are communicating over the internet on computers which work using transistors which operate based on, you guessed it, subatomic theory. Each discovery is based on previous discoveries, which lead to the device you are reading this on, and a similar set of discoveries lead to astronomical measurements of the distance to stars. Science does not discredit the Bible, it's simply mankind's progress towards discovering God's creation
Nothing is beyond *any* doubt, ever.
You could have been created 5 seconds ago with memories of a past that never happened and food in your stomach you never ate.
The appropriate standard of evidence is not beyond all possible doubt but beyond a reasonable doubt.
Please see the material that J. Warner Wallace publishes regarding the use of evidence in support of arguments.
Star parallax allows us to measure star distance up to 100 parsecs away.
The Webb telescope tells us that much.
I agree,I get a lot of " How that's not possible".
I'm like REALLY !!!!
!!! IT'S GOD!!!!
I see stuff and don't understand (and am not willing to read and study a little bit) how it could be, therefore god.
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“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
King James Version (
2 Peter 3:5
@@kentracer4129 One can agree with the scientific evidence that the world is 4.5 billion years old and the universe much older and still maintain a faith in a god. Since there is nothing to show that a god did NOT create everything, it could be true. Believing that the world is billions of years old in no way invalidates the phrase "by the word of god." Belief in scientific geological age does not preclude belief in a god. Scientists are only interested in finding real-life explanations for the world as we find it, and not in disproving the existence of a god. We humans created the concept of gods millennia ago and many people still find great comfort in that. Only if one insists the bible is exactly literally true does it come into conflict with reality. The evidence that things are far far older than 6000 years is irrefutable.
It’s a little mentally boggling to think that just because we understand how something can occur suddenly means that GOD didn’t do it or He doesn’t exist.
That’s an assumption I don’t make. Please don’t belittle people or make assumptions that you know why they think GOD did something because they don’t know why or how it works
Antediluvian mankind couldn't see stars with the clarity described in Job because the firmament would have dispersed the light. Rather than observe individual stars, the sky probably glowed brightly during the day and softly at night.
A thought I had regarding travel of light between stars and other objects is similarly along the lines of ASC. However, rather than have a 2x/infinite split between the directions of travel, consider the impact black holes have on light. Also, considering the proven impacts of time as a function of mass (i.e. the greater the mass, the slower time travels), it's reasonable to assume that the inverse also holds true. (i.e. the lesser the mass, the quicker time travels.). Under this hypothesis, light would travel 'slower' near the stellar bodies of the start and of earth, but may travel much 'faster' (relatively speaking) due to the absence of mass between the stellar bodies. Who knows....maybe for 99.9% of the journey time travels so fast that from our perspective it takes relatively no time at all for light to travel from distance stars to earth.
Anyways. Food for thought.
This is absolute nonsense. The speed of light is actually the speed of causality......which while traveling through space/time has an upper limit of "C". Why do you goofballs even bother trying to pretend that there is scientific evidence of your imaginary friend when your entire premise is that all of this came about via super-natrual means....AKA as magic ?
I have no way of knowing if thats true or not, but it is an interesting concept
@@djsarg7451 I don't think the argument that because God may have created "14 billion year old light" instantly means he's lying. He gave us an account of how he created the earth, and it's our responsibility to work back from there. It's not deception on God's part, it's a misinterpretation on our part.
Yes, it's true that the word for day can mean different things, but the way it's used in Genesis clearly suggests literal days.
@@djsarg7451 I think you're misinterpreting these Bible passages:
The references to the "everlasting mountains" made in Deuts and Habbakuk are figurative language, it's not saying anything about the actual age of mountains.
As for Genesis 2:4, the opening "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created", it is not referring to the previous creation account in Genesis 1, suggesting that the days were generations. What it does is introduce the following reiteration of the creation account, fall of mankind, and the generations of descendants that would follow.
You may also be referring to the second half of verse four, I'll break it down for you, because the wording is vague.
In the DAY that God created the heavens and earth (consistent with Genesis 1's literal days), he conceives of plants before he even put them on the earth (day 2). He creates Adam (day 6), and puts him in the garden of eden he planted on day 3.
I have no idea what Hebrews has to do with this, maybe a misquote.
I won't endorse everything AiG says, but they publish a variety of hypotheses from scientists like 2-way lightspeed, logarithmic light speed decay, focal earth, for you to read and make up your own mind.
Challenge from a teaching perspective: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." -Albert Einstein
Light is like a garment and the heavens like a curtain. God stretched them out. To paraphrase. So no "travel time".
Man will always be limited in his understanding. Today's "science" examines many things, but always says, "We don't really know how this is happening.
God, as creator, is outside of creation and is the only answer to why, what, who, and how creation works.
It seems God explained it pretty simply for us.
@@dorcasmcleod9439 Science "always says" that??? Hmmm. Pretty sure science has answered all kinds of things in the last few thousand years!
If it is wine means it is fermented, if it isn't fermented, it is grape juice and not wine.
Great work. Christians need to interact with this material because the separation between science and God is artificial and unproductive. Solid, verifiable, coherent science will always come back to the Scripture! Amen.
The appeal of Humphrey’s time dilation model for me is that it explains the separation of the waters below from the waters above and the identification of the expanse - though I heard that Danny has the same idea of this, so maybe it’s not directly dependent on that model. As I understand Danny, the big reason to question time dilation is the evidence of events happening in the universe which look like they should’ve taken millions of years under normal circumstances, raising the same question of why God would’ve created galaxies to give the false impression of a collision which never happened. So whereas there may have been time dilation or supernatural increase of c, there was also evidently a speeding up of the events that were occurring out there. Although I don’t see why this wouldn’t just be two ways of describing the same thing: sped up, or time dilation. From the earth’s reference frame, more apparent time has passed in the outer universe, and so why one would imply Old Earth and the other not is beyond me at the moment
I have experiences that absolutely confirm Humphrey's time dilation model; when I am having fun, time goes really fast, and when I am bored, it just flows like molasses uphill in January. Therefore god and creation!
C assumes a constant rate, but the speed of light is not constant. I have known for a long time that current mathematics falls far short of what is needed to gain a good understanding of the universe.
@@valerieprice1745 So, there is stuff we don't understand about the universe, therefore god.
@@stevepierce6467 you're putting words in my mouth. We will never understand the universe, because we can't understand God. God is beyond our comprehension, but if we could understand the universe, we probably still would find that God is far beyond human comprehension. I suppose you believe in spontaneous generation of life, information without consciousness, and the Social Darwinist, racist justification for killing millions of Jews. The Origen of Species was written to provide the "scientific" foundation for "exterminating the savage races, and all the apes in Africa". That's a line from Darwin's other book. There's only one race. The human race. We are all God's children.
God doesn't exist. Religion is Supernatural mythology with a nasty edge.
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I think to a degree I agree.
The question of distant starlight was the final question I had about Biblical young creation.
The thing that answered it the most for me is looking at inflationary theory. Apparently even science has to concede that whether or not the speed of light is constant now, it was not the speed it is now at the creation of the universe, it would have had to be much faster.
***WHY IT SHOULD BE FASTER? WHAT IS "IS". THE CREATOR MADE IT THAT WAY, IT IS AS IT IS AND IS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE AS SO, BUT WHOEVER WROTE IT AS THE WORD OF GOD WAS IGNORANT ON HOW GOD CREATE WHATEVER IS.***
Apparently you are incorrect.. The speed of light shows no change and has always been constant.
@robotsonmars1989 there is no evidence to support your claim. We don't event actually know the speed of light. We have educated guesses, but that's all they are, are measurements and guesses.
@@BBCTopgearfan So just skipped the sciences then..
@@robotsonmars1989 nooooo. We do not know the speed of light. We have Theoretical estimate. But until we actually measure it. They conclusively we do not know we know that the speed of light changes as it goes through different. Later we types of matter so? Who. Knows what? It does in the vacuum. Of space. We do not know and we have no way to test it. That is true science let me guess you are 1ofthosequotetrustsciencepeopleinthequote
For my understanding is the argument here that all of creation is about 6000 years old however time, light and distance appear to make the stars light years away? If they are thousands or millions of light years away, that doesn’t mean they were created millions of years ago? Am I understanding correctly? I’m not a scientist nor in the science community just a curious mind that’s always been fascinated by this topic
I still think the “mature creation“ is most likely how it happened.
What’s your view about “Last Thursdayism”? That is, if you take the statement “God created the universe last Thursday, and implanted all your memories in your head”. That’s a statement that I can’t give any evidence for, and it’s impossible to disprove. God is ‘all powerful’ so could potentially be able to do that, it’s not likely though. Is that not the same as saying the universe was created mature?
I think they are very similar concepts. Ultimately, the end result of the creation process was maturity. But it's a difference of whether that maturity was the result of a fast process or creation just had an appearance of maturity right away.
@@pianoboogie3935 its very easy to disprove god has told us what he did and that wasnt it. on what basis are you theorizing a different pattern of events.
The creation process is not hidden from us, so if I painted a landscape in one day, then put my personal touch on it to make it appear older, I could do that in the style of Van Gogh, for example, then ask someone the next day how old they thought this painting was, knowing full well I had done it the previous day, many "experts" would have many different answers, and I would be smiling inside as I listened, so I think God must be smiling as well. If I had found some paint from 100 years earlier that would deepen the mystery. The audience is always in awe over a magic trick until they know the secret. The most foolish would say there was a huge explosion and the exploded pieces magically fell together in random order and thus the painting came into existence out of nothing. They would say you must be loopy to think an artist created this at all. It came out of thin air. "If I cannot see the artist, then clearly there is no artist at all," they would say.
The design behind a cellphone defies my ability to understand or explain it, but that does not mean it came into existence by itself. That would be illogical.
Why would God trick us? He is not the author of confusion. It could be more likely that the "days" in creation were days in God's timing, not man's
The big bang theory is not an Explosion despite the use of the word 'bang" . It's a "let there be light " moment. God smiling is an anthropomorphic concept. God is not a human sitting on a cloud, smiling. As the commandment says, God is beyond anything we humans are familiar with.
@@sidgar1 God is unlimited and could’ve created everything instantly: he wouldn’t even need 6 actual days.
He did so by choice, setting an example for us to labor 6 days & rest on the 7th.
@@rhpicayune Again, those "days" were days in God's timing, not man's. A "day" in God's timing could be millions or billions of years.
@@sidgar1 Morning and evening were the days. Why is it so hard for people to understand that God created the universe WITH AGE just like HE made Adam and Eve and all the animals, they were not made as infants but as adults with age.
God can do everything in a second that would seem to have taken billions of years in our eyes. God is almighty. Simple.
Not even a second, God does it instantly.
Answers in Genesis is answering questions that have begged answers for years.
* giving personal opinions
Time and time again ...scientific answers from a biblical perspective make more sense than materialistic alternatives.
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@@alantasman8273 yes, please. It's been 3 months. Name one, please.
@@travisbicklepopsicle Rock strata laid down at the time of Global flood literally can be found across continents in fossil filled layers that only make sense from a catastrophic global event perspective. Even massive "bent" rock layers can be seen at the Grand Canyon...the layers are not broken as one would expect over deep time but the bends were formed when the layers were soft and pliable. One need only look at the aftermath of the Mt St. Helen's volcano explosion that laid down dozens of layers of what was to become rock in a matter of hours and days. The Global Flood was a vert real event and the massive volcanic and earthquake activity that accompanied it are evidenced across the globe.
I think there is a Gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. A simple statement of fact.
Then in Genesis 1:2-31 describes the Creation of the Earth, in 6 literal days. Gen 1:2 “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”.
One of my reasons for believing this is that in Job, it describes other Created beings, described as the Sons of God, singing together at the Creation of the Earth, I.e. they were already created previously see Job 38:7 “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
The answer is simply. The Earth is around 4.5 billion years old. It’s not a hard concept if you believe in an infinite God.
I'll say you don't know how old the universe is for sure.
That’s quite possible. But the Bible doesn’t suggest that, or at least it seems to point to a young earth
That’s quite possible. But the Bible seems to suggest a young earth. Or at least the life on earth is young, but maybe the earth is old
You don't just have a starlight problem, but a matter travel problem with the collision of galaxies and jets proceeding from the cores. I personally think we require a paradigm shift. Isaiah 34:4 says that the host of heaven will be destroyed in an act of falling like leaves and fruit. I believe the solution in solving many mysteries is a new theory of gravity. If you are interested, then I"ve posted a video on that subject along with other concepts that are fueled by seeing design in creation.
For me the answer is simple. The speed of light is not a constant. Ever since Rømer's demonstration in 1676, the measurements of the speed of light have slowed down. Now science answers this question by saying that we have gotten more precise in our measurements but what if it were true? Why should the 2nd rule of thermodynamics: Entropy, apply to everything but light?.
I saw a seminar 40 years ago (as best as I can remember) by a Doctor Wilder-Smith (?). He was a chemical engineer who specialized in carbon dating. He was trying to find a reason why carbon dating results were so far off on items of definite known dates in history. He said that the further you go back with carbon dating, the further off the dates were. He postulated a hypothesis that the speed of light was slowing down. He calculated the difference of that speed by the measurements taken of it, going all the way back to Rømer's first experiment. He concluded that the point when light was instantaneous was around 10K years ago. If true, and the speed of light has slowed down, it would have greatly affected everything having to do with the electromagnetic spectrum "including" carbon 14 dating.
@@djsarg7451 So you say the Bible tells you Earth is 4.54 billion years old (give or take). Where does it say that in the Bible? What does the speed of light possibly slowing down have to do with G-d not lying to us. So did G-d say He made light 186,000mps and it shall not be no other speed. G-d made all, I agree, so when he made Entropy (probably after the fall in the Garden), where ALL things grow old and slow down and crumble, are you saying G-d did not apply that to light?
Sometimes we have a miracle happen in our lives that is undeniable, and in rare instances, it proves that God is both omnipresent in time and space. That can really change your view of creation. He knew things that were going to happen without mistake.
Interesting discussion - just as stars orbiting each other might be a record of something that could never have happened, today we have verifiable asteroid impact craters such as Cicxulub - These would have created a global supersonic dust storm and massive earthquakes pus failure of Photosynthesis and food stocks. Yet these common events are seen in the geological record, but not mentioned in any early writings. Add then the recently discovered and much larger Deliliquin crater. Why are these craters in the geological record, but are not written about? But the lesser Flood is described in detail.
Great job, Dr. Faulkner. You kept your explanation Biblically acceptable.
@@nathancook2852 Nathan, I have heard many different guesses as to the age of the universe. Some are several billion years in difference. I am not sure which one you hold to but I will assume the most commonly accepted one is now 13.8 billion years in age. How would you explain the fact that the furthest stars apart in space are over 90 billion light years away from each other? I also would ask if you think that it's coincidence that the moon and the sun are just at the right distance from the earth to provide total obscuration during an eclipse. The statistical probability of that happening by chance is fairly impossible but rather than see it as an obvious sign of a creative work, it seems that there is a cognitive dissonance that makes us want to chalk that up to chance. In the end, we will all find out the truth. In the meantime, I will trust the one who made all of these things come to be and I will pray that you will someday as well. We will all die and if I am wrong and there is no creator and the universe came into existence by chance, I won't know the difference. I have seen so many proofs of design, I will simply trust the Bible.
Lets face it, it is not the light that people have problems with, its the Creator of it. Will man ever understand the mind of God, no only till they see him face to face.
Mark 10:27
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man it is impossible, but not with God. For all things are possible with God.”
Jeremiah 32:17
‘Ah, Lord God! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you.
Would love your thoughts on the position taken by Barry Setterfield that the speed of light is slowing down, and was therefore much faster in the past. He also relates this inversely to decay rates and the extended lifetimes of the patriarchs. Thanks.
I don't know why Setterfield's idea wasn't addressed here. The energy of faster light would have been very destructive, and so isn't viable.
I like Dr. Humphreys details on the magnetosheres, and basic information about the solar system objects, how Newton's, Kepler's, and others with the set of practical physics formulas. He basically showed the correlation of the objects in the Solar system by their properties. Russ is a practical Astrophysicist with Sandia Labs of Bell Labs, this gives him practical experience few people possess. It is such a huge topic, the more distant phenomena, such as the Solar system, into extrastellar space. Even internal clocks of ICs & crystals, are greatly affected by forces other variables. Going into these with hypertheticals, end up needing many unknown constants which end up growing up into a juggling act.
Exegesis vs. Eisegesis
“Ex-” means to take out of, while “eis-” means “into.” So quite simply, exegesis means digging into the text to pull out the meaning, while its opposite, eisegesis, reads meaning into a text that isn’t there.
God is literally the being holding all of this together. Not only is He dwelling in Heaven but He is literally everything. He tells us that He is nothing like anything and that we couldn’t possibly begin to understand Him… nor is He anything like us. We tend to put everything in OUR understanding, and thats where we fail every single time. Thinking we understand things without God, without the Lord Jesus… i’m so happy, grateful, and blessed to have had God open my eyes and save me 2yrs ago. I dont even know how I made it 31yrs in this life without knowing Him. But He is so merciful and full of grace that even when I didnt give Him a single thought He looked out for me. What a wonderful God we have. 🤍
_But He is so merciful and full of grace that even when I didnt give Him a single thought He looked out for me. What a wonderful God we have_
So he looked out for you but does nothing for the thousands of children who die horrible and painful deaths every day, many of them with devout parents praying desperately. Oh yeah, that's because he has "Mysterious Ways", right?
The term "scientific method" emerged in the 19th century, when a significant institutional development of science was taking place and terminologies establishing clear boundaries between science and non-science, such as "scientist" and "pseudoscience", appeared.
2 Peter 3:5
Psalm 148:4
Job 38:14
It all leads back to the 2nd day of Creation when God separated the waters above and the waters below with the firmament/raqiya whatever word one wants to use.
It states very clearly in the word of God that God is "stretching out the universe"... So that means that the question should be "How did the light get THERE FROM HERE?" Not "How does the light get here from there?"
Don't forget that GOD Spread out the Universe out much like that we do as a curtain! The Universe, I believe would have been very close to Adam and Eve but not so now, nor in the future! We must Read our Bibles and Believe in What GOD Teaches us, as HE Knows It All! GOD Bless those of you who Teach the absolute Truth about the Bible! Yours in CHRIST, Julie 🙏
All the answers to having non productive jobs and still getting paid are in the Bible.
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This man should send these quotes from the Book of Job to the scientist who sell us the billions of years idea: "You are God's critic, but do you have the answers? Do you know the laws of the universe? Can you direct the movement of the stars? Where does light come from, and where does darkness go? Can you take each to it's home? Where is the path to the source of light?"
Was watching UA-cam, and heard a minister or a creationist say they thought if God would’ve created the stars in one day and made the starlight appear immediately on earth, that would be deceptive or deceitful.
Hmmm.
How deceptive is it to make Adam a full grown man and fully matured???
Bottom line; if God creates all the atoms to begin with, he can definitely do what he wants, and knows all the end results of his actions, i.e. what’s good and bad.
It would be deceptive if he created Adam with a memory of a life he never lived.
Since starlight is not instantaneous it serves a record of events that never happened in a 6000 year old creation narrative.
No Danny, because of the second law of thermodynamics, which you were just talking about, no gas cloud would ever shrink into a star, it’s thermodynamically impossible based on more than just the second law. Also, the system cannot do work upon itself to increase its own temperature which means fusion would not occur. Gravitational collapse of a gas cloud doesn’t happen ever.
Most people jumped into conclusions that in this verse light is shortcut for time period when Sun light is on, by their daily experience. But this verse says nothing about time period, neither Sun, so it is better just explained as it is literally, that is day = light, than followed morning and evening be explained as between or mixed of light and darkness
He called the light, day and the darkness night. A day is defined as a period of light and darkness, rather than a period of time. The first 4 days are before the sun and we don’t know how long they were.
You are my refuge and my shield; I have put my hope in your word.
- Psalm 119:114
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.
- James 1:22
All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.
- Psalm 119:160