The Collective Unconscious, Christ, and the Covenant | Russell Brand | EP 444
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with actor and podcaster Russell Brand. They discuss the language of symbols, the collective unconscious, the evolution of theology, and why so many public intellectuals are coming back to Christ.
Russell Brand is an English comedian, actor, podcaster, and commentator. He first established himself as a stand up comedian and radio host before becoming a film actor. He presented for MTV UK and made appearances across media and TV throughout the 2000’s. In 2008, he leapt from British to U.S. film acting, appearing in the hit film “Forgetting Sarah Marshall,” followed by numerous international successes. In 2013, Brand guest-edited an edition of the weekly publication the New Statesman, launching his interest and later career as a political activist and commentator. His current podcast, Stay Free, sees Brand calling out major news, governments, and corporations for affronts to free speech, expression, spirituality, and thought.
This episode was recorded on April 19th, 2024
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:27) Intro
(2:12) Statistical regularities and the language of symbols
(6:26) What makes something real?
(10:12) The necessity of sacrifice through the lens of the Bible
(12:28) Chaos, the collective unconscious, and the covenant
(19:34) Abram, the relevance of his name, and Christ
(27:25) The evolution of theology, what Acts offers
(32:35) The golden calf and the worship of pride
(39:30) A pushback on pride as the example of hedonism
(39:58) Hedonism as a god, why the self cannot spiritually govern
(47:47) What the Postmodernists got right and where they went terribly wrong
(54:01) The third temptation of Christ, the fundamental landscape
(59:48) The solution to the slave/tyrant dichotomy
(1:04:46) The consequence of using words properly and carefully
(1:12:10) Grace, suffering, acceptance: Is this the will of God?
(1:13:31) Why so many public intellectuals are coming back to Christ
(1:23:44) Huxley’s hell and the coming societal turn to what’s highest
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I just love how Russel pushes back on JBP when he disagrees. That is paramount for an longlasting conversation between friends.
I don't think so
I agree, not only is it necessary for long lasting and effective conversation, but he also made an amazingly good point, when he said (I'm paraphrasing here), trivializing hedonistic behavior to pride parades does JP no favors, because low and behold, even heterosexuals have degenerate and hedonistic behaviors, and should also be called out.
@@PostDeleted yes, I get that it does him no favors. RB has a better way to express his thoughts on that matter and that reaches maybe more people or encourage them to listen to the whole video.
Eventhough I wouldn’t choose the same words, I believe, that JBP is talking about a very distinct group of ‘radical LGBTQIA+ community members&allies’ that have distorted the meaning of the word pride and display the pathological side of this worship-behavior. I think many of his gay and lesbian followers can make that distinction too.
JP's suit game is off the charts
Lol he should get a designer suit label to sponsor him at this point, Chanel or something.
Always. Man's got good taste.
It’s hard for me to tell exactly, but is that a number of orthodox icons/frescos on his suit?
Lobster suit is atrocious. He often looks like a joker knock-off. No, you folks praising ill conceived custom suits need an ounce of taste.
His suits are fire!
It’s poetic brilliance on the part of the creator that one of my favorite comedians, when I was a lefty, has incredable and relivant conversations with my intellectual/acedemic hero. I’m happy JPB gets to talk with someone so original.
Save us
Two brilliant monologuists having an incredibly fascinating conversation.
Hahaha yes.
Is this satire?
great comment if a joke
okayyyy...
You should get out more.
Russell mentioned something extremely personal to me. In my 30’s I had a few years studying the Tibetan Buddhist tradition and every time I went to a prayer meeting, Jesus was always there with me, sitting on my right shoulder. He had been calling me for my whole life so far and some years ago now I became a confirmed Catholic and I know I’m where I’m meant to be. God is good and He is oh so patient. God bless you both 🙏🙏🙏
Catholic? Do you fondle little boys like the rest of them?
I couldn't have said it better. When my daughter was 2 she was diagnosed with leukemia. As I was driving home from the hospital I felt Jesus on my right shoulder and he said everything will be Ok. I knew at that moment everything was going to be ok, no matter what the outcome. She's 42.
Praise God for your journey. Converts are a beautiful gift to the Church.
Good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Welcome home 🙏
One of the best lines (among a ton of them), Jordan referring to hedonistic behaviour as : 'All mouth and need but no action and sacrifice.' Brilliant..
Brilliant and lacklustre are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
literally just a description
@@moussaadem7933which is how you tell up from down…
I read this comment literally as he was saying that line 🎉
@moussaadem7933 What's wrong with that? 🤔 It perfectly describes western "so called" Christianity
Starting today, Mr. Peterson, praying for you and Mr. Brand. I would call you by your first name but I don’t know you like that so I hope you don’t mind I’d call you Mr. We are living in exciting times. The Bible when it comes to end time prophecies are coming true daily. I was saved in 1973, but I had a twisted ideology of what that meant it wasn’t until recently I understood what it means to be saved. My prayer for the both of you is that the pages of the Bible will come alive to you. No matter what you’re going through in life the Bible has an answer for it it’s written so simplistic that a 10 year old understand what the Bible is trying to convey. Mr. Peterson you have no idea how many people are praying for you throughout the world. Whether you believe in Christ or not, you will one day and I’m hoping it’s today not during the judgment seat of Christ. The Bible says this every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess that I am the Lord, I get chills thinking about that. Because Satan is the king of all lies he hate you. He hates me and the rest of the world because God loved us more. Once you understand what Satan wants most, your eyes will be open and you’ll be able to see evil that is in this world. Satan is the king of this world, but our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will one day come back and claim it back. My hope is that one day Christ will show himself to you in a way that you can’t deny so from today on my prayers will be with the both of you. God bless you and thank you for what you done for men, in today’s world.
oh...you need to catch up..
jordan peterson BELIEVES
Have you ever read, The Great Controversy?
Dear lord, we're screwed.
You were saved when Jesus died on the cross. We do not save ourselves.... This is not to chastise you but consider:
Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
"and that not of yourselves"
-we DO NOT save ourselves... Saying you have to believe is adding stipulation to the whole saved thing, something we must complete in order to receive the "saving".
For those who will point to the "through faith"... Good eye... But have you asked "whose faith is being referenced?" (What's the context?) Couldn't it be through the faith of Jesus and his father to die on the cross as a man??? Wouldn't that even make more sense?? What is Faith anyway?? I'd say believing something (likely unpopular) you believe to be RIGHT and JUST.. I mean it doesn't take Faith to believe in air... And given all this is true how much faith is required to believe Jesus died on the cross and God is real are you staking very much?? How about Jesus's faith (because he was a man JUST LIKE you or me) to listen to his father God and willingly allow himself to be nailed and hung from a cross to die for the same people who spit on him cursed him and betrayed him... THAT is faith!! Me choosing to believe in God... Doesn't require much on my part to be honest... There is NO HELL (in the colloquial sense). Hell is being/living in sin while trapped within "the flesh".
Also original commenter you speak of Satan as if he has some "power" beyond the reach of God... Where do you think Satan came from? Do you think the creator of the entire universe, humanity, and even the concept of time itself didn't create Satan?? If not who created Satan because from what I gather God created the heavens and the Earth (a way of saying all things because he has got after all 😂)... If God didn't create Satan who did? There is no creation but that of the Lord...
I can listen to Russel all day,he speaks poetry,he speaks literature,his command of English is phenomenal...Wow.such a talented man and highly intelligent.
What blows my mind about Russell is the quickness of his thought. He gets these whole complex replies downloaded from somewhere, whole, already complete in like 2 seconds+ He doesn't seem to need to ruminate as most of us do. Just amazing.
yes I agree, i think also he speaks without ego , which is rare
And incredibly quickly. He almost seems manic but I think he's just got a ton of brain power
He’s clearly on drugs and spewing nonsense pls chill
@@huggyskyway its def either manic or aderol. Maybe both. WHen you trim the fat he actually hasnt said much. Eloquent speakers make abstract concepts more concise, they don't ramble sporadically over 5 or 6 topics within one breath
What an incredible time we live, where I can watch these two discuss such profound truth from a small town in Costa Rica
Hello from a small town in Colombia. While it’s indeed fascinating, the change that is coming via AI the rest of this decade will be profound and likely change the human race forever.
Hello from a small town in France, I love this two and happy to hear all the positive changes, people need to hear this.
I heard no "profound truth" in this discussion.
I'll pray for you, brother.@motorheadbanger90
@@DougyDivots Such a meaningless statement.
What convince me to watch his podcast is
1. The guest his invites
2.Jordan’s domain of knowledge and wisdom.
3.Articulate presentation
4. Unique suits.
5.Background studio.
Doesn’t matter what others think about him. He is my Role Model.
Thank you Jordan.
I pray for your family.
I wonder if one of Jordan's weaknesses is vanity...... (I do not mean to be judgemental, we all have particular weaknesses!)
Defo @@kbeetles
@@kbeetles could be, like we all fall prey to some things.
I think he is much more concerned about his intellect. He once said it can lead to pride as you might think you know it all.
Christianity says we are all sinners, we must try to sin less.
@kbeetles I think he just wants to look the way his mind is. Smart.
(I believe he knows about hos sinful heart) but if that knowledge should be reflected in the way we dress, you sir, are overdressed too.
Russell is very much into Jung
Jung is, unfortunately, steeped in Hinduistic ideas and concepts. His theory of Archetypes is not wrong because of that. But the great sin and mistake of Jungians is to lower our living God to the level of archetypes and metaphors. God is not an idea, not a concept, not a metaphor, HE is the living, personal God with a will and He is an active God. Jung's theory completely fails in this regard. Our real Lord does not fit into his puny, man-made theory. For us humans, it is fine to learn from it, but trying to force God into Jung's system is banal, futile, and blasphemous.
As an agnostic it's incredibly refreshing to hear a Christian bring the stories of the Bible into a more generalistic, philosophical fundamental form. For those of us abstract enough to be able to see the lessons in the stories, the idea that Jordan put forth of, essentially, God being the underlying waveform so to speak of the universe, rather than a conscious skydaddy in the clouds that I have to wrestle and combat with is groundbreaking. It allows me to consider working through and letting go of the War the universe and I have seemed to have waged on each other for decades.
Thanks you JBP, for being the wizard archetype, the mentor, that most of us needed
This conception is not new. In fact this has been the conception of God since the very beginnings of Christianity. I love Jordan but he usually doesn’t say anything original. You would be very rewarded by investigating the Church Fathers and philosophers like Thomas Aquinas. To me, it seems that Jordan has reached a point where his enquiry needs to progress into the more philosophic and metaphysical but he seems be be unable to break out of the confines of a Jungian/psychological conception of the Divine as well as humanity. This is evidenced by his constant reduction of phenomena to evolutionary byproducts.
The God of the Bible is both though. He's the Prime Mover and source of all energy and matter; all was created from His breath, the vibrations and frequency of His voice. All life is sustained by this Breath of Life and if He breaks the connection with any of us we die, He's physically sustaining each of us constantly with the quantum energy flowing through our bodies. He has a perfect mind and will and simply wants us to live in accordance with His ways which lead to Life. If we disconnect ourselves from Him and fight against Him then our end will be Death. Jesus came forth from the Father, and when we turn to him he reconnects us to that Source of Life in a way that won't be broken even by physical death.
No one utters more nonsense about religion better than Peterson.
As an agnostic theist relating Christian theism to believing in a skydaddy is cringe. That's like equating Buddhist faith to theological nihilism. There's major metaphysical implications to such a belief that are quite fascinating. But if this belief makes you a better person I guess I can't fault you. Specifics don't really matter, if God is out there, he'll judge us individually. Also, I don't see myself as being "abstract enough" for anything, as if I'm on a higher plane of existence than everyone else is. I think this is stupid. Sorry, I might've sounded a bit rude, I respectfully disagree, I guess it's my subconscious habit of stamping out any possibility of pride and ego manifesting itself even further in my soul that made me a bit aggressive
I agree. @@eafowler777
Please have more conversations together. This is special 💫
Congratulations on your baptism, Russell Brand! I pray that God will strengthen you and your family. God bless you, Jordan Peterson, as always.
Amen
I nearly fell off my chair when I heard this, and had to immediately watch the video.
Then you look back at the last year, huge numbers of the most unlikely people are turning to Christ. And I am 100% here for it :)
Where did he say he had baeen baptised..
I read in the Times newspaper that he was, in his own column.
@@takeeverythinginIn case you look: He said it on X , maybe even on UA-cam, and I hope you will be able to find it.
Listened once , that's not enough .
I'm 8 years sober ,thanks to prayer
Wonderful!
🙄 You are sober bc YOU chose to stay sober.
@@insertmyidentityhereyou’re projecting
Jordan helped me to reconcile my intellect and my faith. I'm a better person because of his work.
There are several things I will never forget after listening to this discussion, but my favorite one is, "The opposite of faith is not doubt. The opposite of faith is certainty."
There is so much contained here but, that is one that certainly stuck out for me as well.
According to the Bible: "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things unseen."
To me, evidence results in certainty.
I have faith that God always keeps His promises. I have seen Him do this time and again. That is the one absolute certainty there is in this world.
It's both depending on who you ask
The opposite of “believing” might be certainty. Faith. True faith might be more certain than certainty itself.
I agree got my brain ticking. Tips religion on its head
Something about these two border-straddling men struggling toward God has made me burst out in sobs. I feel their earnest and humble pursuit of God brings a sort of holy shame on many of us professing christians, and beautiful encouragement to us struggling christians...
That's because they are both satanic masters of emotional manipulation.
Well said!! I was flummoxed with the proper response to Russells video after his baptism but this hits the nail on the head.
Same bro! I really don’t ever cry but when men humble themselves like that for God it gets me, especially celebrities
I love seeing God bust put of our box we've tried to keep Him in🎉🎉🎉
It takes effort to get out of the “Luke warm” Christian mindset, I am constantly trying to learn more about God and the Bible and to be a vessel for his love and purpose.
But it’s very difficult for me to fight the convenience of living for my fleshly self. And in turn, not being the strong believer and grateful person I know I should be.
Jordan: "We'll obviously continue this conversation."
Russel: "How can it ever end."
Didn't expect one of the more profound moments of the interview to come at the end. The conversation of how to navigate life in the best and most upright manner is indeed a conversation that has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen into eternity. God Bless Russel Brand and his family on his life's journey.
True
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql • I think everyone when paired with Russell comes across as monotone lol.
Your no paying attention my friend @@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql Not everybody is gonna UA-cam voice everything, he's a professor and a pretty old man. He's pretty much always talked like this besides outlier moments, gotta expect it and be willing to run it back.
With topics this complicated, you aren't really gonna understand or know what they're talking about on the first go anyway.
Speak the truth and the truth will set you free
Does anyone else get the sense that Jordan LONGS to speak with people who are as intelligent and deep as he is, and when he finds one, he just downloads, and the poor person is waiting for his turn to speak for a good half hour, waiting for Jordan to take a breath so the other person can get their impressions out? I feel like this was one of these times. Jordan is so brilliant, and has thought so deeply about so many things, and it feels to me that he finds brilliance in Russell, but Russell really didn't seem to start getting a second to say where he stands on things till about 25 minutes in. At minute 40 Russell actually says, 'let me keep talking.' I'm glad Russell is strong enough to be able to hold his own. This was a fascinating conversation of two people with slightly difference backgrounds on faith, but able to come together with some really sweet perspectives on the higher purposes of life.
They’re both alphas in a conversation
I love how Jordan posits his scenario then Russel takes the time to focus on this, you can see his eyes go up as he’s inside his brain. He totally looks up, up and to the right meaning he’s thinking hard about this. Visualizing his response.
I think these conversations are fantastic but also know there are hard working theologians out there who are on the front line, answering tough questions and getting death threats just for carrying the cross. ❤ Please keep the theologian soldiers of christ in your prayers!
theologians (pharasee's and saduchees) killed Jesus. suffer not the little children to come to me, such is the kingdom of heaven. it's not about head knowledge or Hebrew or Latin or outthinking an atheist or Satan. the Way is real simple, put your complete faith in Jesus Christ and take up your cross and follow Jesus. He lived the perfect life, he died with the sins of the world and He was risen! no PhD required.
@@mikerussell2590 theologians are not all bad, not all degree qualified and they hold their cross high. In broader terms even some of the disciples could be considered as theologians. But yes we can agree we need to carry our cross ✝️ and believe. My point is there are some religions out there directly attacking Christianity and there are educated people fighting back with knowledge. Christianity has perhaps become complacent on this simplicity but a stronger faith lies in the beautiful book and the deeper teachings within.
@@mikerussell2590 I guess we can say Christianity is beautiful because it is simple yet so deep and fulfilling therefore fitting for anyone seeking truth. Sending love to you Mike!
@@mikerussell2590that is in fact not simple.
I love the overblown persecution Christians thing they get for their belief especially in the USA 😂
The part when Russel said, "This is not just a remnant ideology, this is a living thing that has been discarded...
The religion I’m interested in is not just a precursor and parallel to psychotherapy
It’s a precursor and parallel to quantum physics…" had me smiling. Tell him, Russel. 🙂
Sounds more gnostic than Catholic tbh
Truth.
@@deviantfish2711 Jp or Russell?
Samesies
Yeshua is Jesus one is the Hebrew, the other Greek.
I surrender. Ive recently welcomed christ our lord in my heart and life prsise him hallelujah ❤️🙏🏽 im a recovering addict and suffer server mental health but since accepting Christ back into my life i feel the shift. Amen.
id kove your Christan book you mentioned and will get the rumble act. Well done. I feel amazing in my rebirth. Ill hold you in my prayers and pray for a positive and prosperous journey for us all. Glory to God. Lets do this 🙏🏽❤️
So many words, I am reminded of the simplicity in Christ 2 Corinthians 11:2-4
I'm embarrassed to say, but this is the first time I've ever really heard or listened to Russell Brand. His speech is fascinating! Somewhere between prose and poetry, philosophy and prayer, all mixed together into something so authenticity human! ❤
listen to his conversations with Joe Rogan and previous conversations with Jordan Peterson. They both respect one another so much even when they don't agree and are open to having their minds changed.
He makes me proud to be British, we see poetry in the bleakest parts of life.
Russel Brand is SO PROFOUND. i LOVE him to pieces
Somewhere between rape and assault
@@matthewnunya100Guilty heart, much? You know not whereof you speak. So don't. Liar.
Something about the evolution of Brand. Feels authentic from delving so deep into hedonism to now.
I pray to God it's not just another fad or a phase, he could be such a fantastic speaker if only he was pure in Christ.
@@DailyCorvid There is more to life than Jesus Christ and his teachings. Not everyone can be like him nor should they try to. Brand is doing just fine spreading his positivity and spiritual messages.
I do not believe much has changed, he is still an addict. If Russel were truly doing the right things, he wouldn’t be doing it in front of an audience. He needs attention, that’s what this is all about.
If you can’t digest that, I get it. Truth is not often the best thing for people to hear. That is at least part of the truth.
That's a matter of opinion I think, having followed him on Rumble for the last 2 years I saw so much of his content - that actually was hateful and deceiving.
Now I don't expect that you have spent as much time or effort as I have to know these things, and so I won't try to change your mind.
But I will say this - there is more to life than just living for the moment, in selfish pride and thinking yourself the pinnacle of humanity.
Christ showed us that we can be better, and that where we try hard enough to do that - even where we fail, our lives will improve. And that the effect we can have on others will then be magnified, causing others lives to be better through our work.
Now, if he really has turned to Christ that invalidates much of the stuff he said before, and that's what I hope is the case.
@@BubbaabbuB I have my doubts too brother truly I do, but Christ has shown me to be overly skeptical in the past.
I hope this is one such occasion, and Brand truly has found life in Christ. We will know in a few weeks time, if half his audience turn on him then it's true that he has.
I watched this on Daily Wire, but wanted to give it a like on UA-cam! Thanks for your curiosity, investigation, pondering, and making a decision based on what you had uncovered turning it into proper personal convictions. May each of you, and your viewer's, be blessed from the fountainhead of all blessings.
The moment where p mentions podcast and r says ‘it’s your podcast’ and riffs Russell-style on the theme of Father Son Holy Spirit. Then p chokes up and says, ‘It’s all our podcast’. I’m speechless…
I will say its also great to understand Christianity simply as our all powerful God who could have just destroyed us, did not have to, came to earth as a human, conquered sin, redeemed us and still gave us a freewill to choose between what is good and what is evil. Now that is love! ❤
Hallelujah!
Unconditional😉
💯 🫶🙌
I guess if you think requiring the death of your child to forgive someone else "love" then yeah god totally is real and "loves" us. The truth is most people are better than the christian god morally.
@@user-hf1tv1fl2o The fact is that you never and will never understand Christianity. So don't try to be oversmart by your ignorant baseless comments as you have no ground of OBJECTIVE MORALITY.
Praise God for Russel. I have a similar past to Russel and suffer PTSD from severe trauma. Drugs have been my external attachment to help cope. Both these incredible humans have got me through some dark times. Im really thankful for both of them. I could always see Russel heading this way. Eventually the intellect exhausts the resources to its limitations and all thats left us faith. The question is then in who or what? Russel you chose right. I pray you cone to know Christs love for you and I pray you come to experience the power, comfort, guidance and knowledge of the Holy Spirit 🙏
God bless you and illuminate you through your journey. Lately I’ve realized that often times, God guides us through some deserted quests not as any sort of punishment but on the contrary, to be able to see so much further while training our character for bigger things. Once you come to that realization, it becomes clear how important our flaws, falling and standing up again, are to achieve the goal of renounce to ourselves, the world and finally hold Christ’s hand and let go of control. Certainly those who come from sin and are humbled by struggle and shame, are put there for a reason. Every ache was worth it.
One night I dreamed a dream.
As I was walking along the beach with my Lord.
Across the dark sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene, I noticed two sets of footprints in the sand,
One belonging to me and one to my Lord.
After the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
I noticed that at many times along the path of my life,
especially at the very lowest and saddest times,
there was only one set of footprints.
This really troubled me, so I asked the Lord about it.
"Lord, you said once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I noticed that during the saddest and most troublesome times of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed You the most, You would leave me."
He whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you
Never, ever, during your trials and testings.
When you saw only one set of footprints,
It was then that I carried you."
@@TheRealDealDominicCredit the author.
@@spirituallysafeAnonymous
This REALLY hit me hard! "Christ's power is in his sacrifice." WOW!
Peterson is firmly in the works’ mindset and needs to understand the concept of grace through faith.
Well observed - I agree 🙏🏻👏
Interesting. What specifically about his dialogue led to this observation?
Can we talk about JP’s EPIC jacket?? Is that Eastern art depicting the Crucifixion?? It’s amazing!
Is that what it is?
I'm Serbian Orthodox Christian and I do believe it is. Which is especially significant because many of us will be celebrating Easter on May 5th.
If you zoom in this jacket is like stain glass from an epic cathedral somewhere epic!😊👍
Considering he's psychologist and I believe lecturer, advertising religion so blatantly and fervently must pose at least an ethical question. Anyone with a degree of knowledge of the Bible would realise that. Neverovatno.@@bendietrees
he has wrapped his flesh in Orthodoxy. may the rest of him soon follow!
Conversations like this leave me feeling smarter and dumber at the same time!😄
Yes!!! 😁👏🏼
😂 same
At least 30% of Jordan says is incomprehensible. Fact.
I literally told my kids this earlier.
😂
Just started this episode and already planning on pausing the video 100+ times to comprehend what was said between these two
Sometimes I watch Russell on .75 speed because his words just fly right over my head if he’s at full speed 😅
As C. S. Lewis once said, “Eros [sex] ceases to be a devil only when it ceases to be a god” (“Christianity and Culture” Section III).
Russell has beautiful teeth. That’s my contribution to this discussion.
I love you
and quite the contribution indeed!
Lol 😂
😂 I needed that
It's especially noteworthy considering his nationality.
1:07:00
This exchange was legendary
JP asks Russell the Abrahamic question of which Christs story is the inverse:
What is it that you’re doing with your words when you’re doing what you should be doing and what’s been the consequence for you and your reputation, your dynasty, and everyone else?
Do you use your words properly?
If you do why?
When you do what happens?
How do you know when you deviate from that?
What do you think your responsibility is in that regard?
And Russell quotes I Chronicles 4:10 NKJV, “And Jabez called on the God of Israel saying, “Oh, that You would bless me indeed, and enlarge my territory, that Your hand would be with me, and that You would keep me from evil, that I may not cause pain!” So God granted him what he requested.“
Seems very scripted
Lord I pray for a mega revival in the likes of conversations like these. Dialogue like this is practically unheard of these days, as far as I’m concerned. The depth and the layers these two guys merely ATTEMPTED to unpack in 90 minutes is astonishing, and I really really hope it gets more and more people to stop and look around, within and beyond. Bravo and bravo.
Russel is a few short sharp breaths from sounding like the blackest preacher in the south when he really gets going here. I love it. Feel the spirit brother man.
As someone about to get ordained it’s really good to see people suddenly taking Christianity seriously.
We are starting to see young people coming to church as a result of these videos which is really exciting.
How wonderful for you yes it is quite amazing watch conversion as it happens. An upside to the pandemic I've observed is so many UA-camrs expliring and coming to Christ. Having seen evil active in the world they seek the highest good. Also they choice othrox religion
Coming to Catholicism isn't coming to God. Hopefully they turn to the true Messiah and not just religion and ritual.
@@HarmonicWaveI agree. Jesus's message and him altogether. For me, I place NOTHING between me and the Almighty. This video gives me a tilt in perspective. Be well!
Russell isn't taking it seriously, though - he's just griftin'
This is your opinion/ judgement is it?
Enjoyed watching two non-AI Large Language Models stretch their mental and linguistic muscle on these weighty topics. Good dynamic.
Pffft LLM's are literally simplistic machines with large memory attached storage. They are nothing compared with the organic brain, stuffed with a conscious mind.
Imagine your LLM trying to figure out ANYTHING at all, with no human data to have learnt from. They cannot move without existing human learning to start them off.
LLM's are advanced scripting tools they are not intelligent. You can break them or outsmart them fairly easily, and they will often proclaim with unerring confidence things which are totally wrong.
For instance ask ChatGPT to prove why gravity isn't real, and it will. Then ask it to prove why gravity is real, and again it will. These tools are a false dawn.
“The opposite of faith is certainty”. I had to pause and write down that breakdown (1:12:30).
This conversation was intense! It is so encouraging to hear Russell’s journey of transformation. God bless you both.
But it is wrong, the opposite of faith is fear. Faith (at least in the biblical narrative) has its roots in trust. You trust that which you are certain of. Remember those trust exercises which ask you to have faith in the person who is tasked with catching you. If I say "have certainty in the fact that you will be caught", that is faith. If I encourage you to have the opposite, "have no certainty in the fact that you will be caught" you will have zero faith in them. I.e. the opposite of certainty is no faith, and to have no faith is to fear being dropped.
When I was in treatment in 2000 I was given the Prayer of Jabez and wae told that if I prayed this prayer every day and night for thirty days it would change my life. ✌🏼️
So many Bible stories that prophesied future Bible stories. I remember, as a child, wondering what it must be like to realize you are part of a prophecy unfolding. Like, how did Cyrus the Great feel, how did Harod feel, how did Pilot feel? I then became an atheist for 25 years, and through the unfolding of end times prophecy in the world I live in, and reading the Bible, came to accept Christ, the Son of God, as my Savior. I now realize we are all a part of the stories told in the Bible, it is the story of all humanity from the perspective of our Creator. I trust in Him implicitly. Praise God for Russel and Dr Peterson doing the Lords work so brilliantly. I pray they continue to trust His plan for their lives. Both are beautiful examples of Christ love and grace.
Amen 🙏
Wonderful way to describe it
Dr. Peterson, what i find most exhilarating about your interviews is the ability of both you and your guest to fully expound upon a thought and the culmination of same in order to bring about a point without interruption from either ! Thank you !!! 👏
Love you Russell! I totally teared up listening to your interview with a diary of a CEO over a year ago. You had been talking about your spiritual journey prior to it, but It was the first time I thought oh my goodness, it sounds like he found Jesus!!!
My eyes welled up with tears listening to you speak that day. And I had only found Jesus a year and a half ago so hearing you going through the same thing at the same time meant a lot to me, and I was so so happy to realize I wasn't imagining it! I had hoped you had come to Christ, like I had, but you hadn't declared it publicly yet. You have been so courageous and you are loved by so many people. I pray you continue to be a such a brave light in all the darkness of the world.
God is so so good. Grace and peace to you friend.
Just the affirmation I needed today.
So many walk the same spiritual paths and cannot see that we really are all the same.
Becoming a responsible parent to the small child inside each of us; is paramount to having real peace of mind.
We are so loved just for the opportunity to experience Life.
My two favorite people coming together. It's a good day 😌
Same. I love this! both are so sincere
Favourite people? How can a guy who groomed and slept with a 16 year when he was 31 be a favourite of anybody?
Yes!❤❤❤❤
@@jakemac1396 ah yes, neither ever release click baity trash at all
lol, sad!
Jordan's suits border the line between order and chaos.
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And mr roper 😅
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It borders on histrionic.
TIDY YOUR ROOM MAAAAN, ARRIVE ON TIME, STAND UP STRAIGHT 😂😂😂 JP giggled hard at that love it
I wonder if Russell knows that he truly is and has always been in pursuit of Christ. Not in search of dogmatic religion, but true authentic meaning of life and relationship with God the Father!! He doesn’t want to be led by set of rules, indulging in self-righteousness. He craves living water that only Holy Spirit provides and transforms you and through you!! The prodigal sons, theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. Bless you, Russell 🙏 ✝️❤
It is rare that I need a dictionary listening to a podcast. What eloquent and high conversation! I love the challenging and thought provoking topics.
Nope. I personally think I’m well read to some degree and I have to listen to a lot of JP’s stuff twice so it sinks in
That monologue from Russell at the end is powerful. Two great men indeed…….we all have much to learn.
Thank you both.
It was poetic and very profound..agreed
Well said 👏 👍
To @jordan, thanks for the courage to stand for truth and leading the revolution. Your obedience to the call, despite all hell coming against you, is literally changing thw world for the better. To @Russel, your gift has been released for the demolishing of strongholds and the pulling down of arguements. Where sin abound, grace abound the more....
I feel like conversations like these are going to be remembered for decades
Why? What exactly did you learn from it?
“The religion that I am interested in is not the precursor and a parallel to psychotherapy, it is a precursor to quantum physics, helping me to understand what do you mean when you say self? Who is this self? What do you mean when you say reality? When you say reality, what are you talking about?”
This is how I discovered Orthodox Christianity this year. Totally changed my life. I’m a major science buff, specifically archaeology and astrophysics, and I’m now looking at all the things that are coming out through the lens of understanding the truth behind the material universe. I’m no longer hearing information that explains God AWAY, I’m listening to how God DID this at all. I am understanding the tools by which God managed to devise an entire physical reality that is literally designed to interact with conscious observers. Something came out very recently about how they think that quantum particles are collapsed into material reality because of the presence of black holes and they were saying that this shuts down the idea that the universe is specifically designed for direct interaction with conscious observers. But my question is how? How so? Conscious beings which are designed to be risen up from chaotic unconsciousness must have a substrate upon which to form, no? I think that when we find things like that, we are finding the mechanisms behind which God has constructed certain features of a universe made for the purpose of proliferation of the divine nature.
Keep rockin and rollin, guys!!! Love it!
embed philosophy and art also in your journey,
God bless you in your adventure.
You will find Chuck Missler's teaching fascinating!!
Are you referring to the " cat in the box theory " ...
Science will not help you understand the bible you need Dr james white for that.
Russell, you and I got baptised on the same day ❤ such a wonderful thing to share with you even if you don't know me, my man ❤
Jesus is Lord ❤
Edit: I got baptised at sea by my future husband. It was so special ❤️
Merriest of tidings! Congrats is not enough of a word, I remember mine some 24 years ago; quite a ride!
_Puts on Oblivion guard voice_
*'Well met sir!'*
Welcome to the fold, it's the best thing you can be part of! God bless you both :)
Why not by a priest?
@@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82 because I haven't chosen a church yet and a priest would be a stranger. My future husband is my everything and it made more sense for me to have him baptise me 🥰
all that follow Jesus, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, thats how it works.. we are all one big family..
39:28 love to see a person respectfully pointing out where another person could be more sensitive and sensible and I know that Jordan Peterson would likely appreciate that and take it onboard. We need more communicators and conversations such as these
Many years ago I suspected Jordan Peterson was basically a Buddhist, Spiritually connected so to speak.
Russell was clearly on the Buddhist/Spiritual path.
I would encourage those that are Atheist/Agonistic to explore Buddhism but with an open mind.
Explore, learn and be thoughtful, honest in your journey.
If you follow things to their logical conclusions ?
You will find Christ.
As both Jordan and Russell have done.
Jordan said something so true.. When the prophetic disappeared, the masses descended into [sinful behavior].. That is certainly common.
It creates a vacuum. Scary to think what will fill it.
It was G.K. Chesterton - When a man stops believing in God he doesn’t then believe in nothing, he believes anything.
We have to realize that we are like the Gomer story in the Bible. He are like prostitutes, who sleep around on God every chance we get. But, He bought us back with His son’s blood! Thank God for His MERCY!!
and one of the main reasons the socialists seek to destroy the spiritual connection before they enslave
Its also not true :)
The staggering amount of precise and brilliantly formend lines that you both dropped is astounding. You guys are both amazing. I hope that you never ever stop talking to each other. Congratulations on your baptism, Russell Brand!
45:24 through 45:43 is such a candid moment. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!
You look and sound as though you are not feeling well, dearest Dr. Peterson. The last few videos I have been watching your face closely and thought you looked ill and exhausted. I was worried for you. So praying that whatever is troubling you is a passing thing.
And I never comment on what you’re wearing because good health looks better on you than anything but the jacket you have got on is my favorite of all your jackets. It is so, so, so beautiful. Beauty, you see, has always been the Transcendental I felt closest to. It has always been my Jacob’s ladder.
I know you get a lot of criticism for wearing sacred imagery on your jackets but I love what you are doing. I have been obsessed with the concept of Christ figures in literature and media for some time. I have woven several Christ images into my own novels. And I connect that in my thoughts with what you are doing, bringing Christian imagery into the consciousness of those who might not otherwise see it, and thereby leaving a trail of breadcrumbs for them to follow, from the imagery to the glorious reality. NO idea if that connection made any semblance of sense.
With Ruth Anne’s love
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Well yes. This certainly winds my clock! Thank you, Dr. Peterson and Mr. Brand. Great time to be witnesses to these two great minds. 🌷✝️🙏🏻🩷🪻
And wonder what went wrong.
Jordan Peterson literally giving free university lessons on UA-cam
That brief JP impression by Russell was amazing hahah good convo!
Peterson is like that granola bar you know is good for you but your just overwhelmed with the energy it takes to chew it up, swallow it and digest it completely.
Lol that's a good description of anything requiring effort to understand :D I really enjoyed that comment bro.
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Perfectly said. Every sentence requires so much mental effort to truly understand. Sometimes I have to stop and rewind back just to grasp what was said. Lots of profound statements from both JBP and RB.
Your descriptive analysis was linguistically superb. 👍
Granola bars are not good for you 😅
Stratospheric conversation! These guys are so different, yet complement each other wonderfully. Love Russell's way with words and passion for Truth, he's a rare match for Jordan. Lovely to see their mutual respect and rapport 😊
I just wished this conversation didn’t end. So beautiful watching deep, meaningful and captivating chats happen. In a world where shallow is the new deep; this is just rare. Love it!
Super happy that Russell has made the decision to be baptized, welcome to the family brother
His Rumble channel needs to delete about three months of anti God content now lol but cannot complain, if he is truly turning to Christ then it's a great move by him and he will have my support. I must say though, I am a tiny but suspicious after the rough-ride he has been giving Christians over the months (since last October).
He should leave it up so people can see the transformation hes made @DailyCorvid
@@DailyCorvid When was he ever "anti-God". He has been religious for years...
Baptised into what?
@charlesm9190 exactly my question
Praying for both of you to know personally the love of Jesus...not just intellectually ...love you both
These two having a conversation gives weight to the verse "for those who have ears to hear it"
With both being such brilliant thinkers, paired with their abilities to express themselves with words and complex images, it's like they can finally run free without having to simplify to meet the understanding of their guests.
My ears are telling me I need to read more books
How smart of Russell to go right ti the birds! Mumurations have been studied for years to figure out language development!
Agreed! And the Bible is full of avian imagery as well. Loved that Russell went there!
One of Jordan Peterson's best podcasts. Bravo 👏
Absolutely!
He talks too much… Babbling.
My addiction begins with cognitive dissonance. My honesty is now my spirituality. I don't have to feel shame, remorse or non stop guilt, it's fantastic!
I can't miss any podcast where these two are on together. The chemistry between their intellect is almost miracleous.
I am so excited about what I see and hear the Holy Spirit doing! I am a Bible College teacher that's been in ministry for over 50 years. I've kept each Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand as those I daily cover in prayer. If I could, I would "covet" a short conversation with each of them to offer some points for their consideration regarding Biblical Values.
Mark 9:23
Ditto ! i have not been in that ministry, but I would love to have as much time as possible with both at the same time. So seldom have I found such brilliant minds going in the best direction possible.
It has been my experience, that the more brilliant the mind, usually has a direct correlation to the degree of atheistic or agnostic belief.
Mr. Peterson thank you for doing this interview. It is fascinating to see the effect of the Holy Spirit on people. Thank you to Russell Brand for being open about his faith. I pray that Russell will give an open testimony to the world on how Christ has changed him.
What an inspiring, intelligent, and revealing conversation on a Christ relationship. I grew up in church, was prodigal, returned, however never satisfied with the state of our churches. So much of this conversation resonated with me. Looking forward to the continued conversation.
Instead of hearing these two individuals, you should learn about Islam.
Dr. Peterson, your wardrobe is so delightful. I so appreciate your struggle to enunciate, clarify and open yourself to vulnerability, while engaging your guest. I don't always agree with you, but I respect your search for truth and honest discussion. You look exhausted. I'm sure the tour you are on is tiresome as well as exhilarating. Kudos to you. Thank you for your commitment to us, the audience. It's very appreciated.
LGFG Fashion House, baby!
I love the man russell has become and continues to be. Its beautiful and genuine .
I gave this conversation another try and I’m glad I did. I don’t care for RB but I love seeing him make Dr. Peterson smile and laugh. That made me so joyful. And I love the companionship and fraternal love between them.
I could not seem to find a members sessions on the DW?
When Russell was talking about the CofE being reluctant to name God I thought of the church at Laodicea, in which our Lord was pictured as being on the outside, knocking and asking admittance. It’s a solemn thing.
Please be okay, Dr. Peterson, you are so cherished.
I love it when Jordan calls people to tell them about his ideas.
The opposite of faith isn't doubt... it's certainty.
Now that's a profoundly insightful statement by Mr Brand for sure
When you have faith, you believe something is already going to happen. There is never any doubt.
This quote resonated deeply with me as well! Had to write it down haha
I think that is a Chesterton quote. I have heard it before.
@@silvinasi I'm not sure what the Timestamp is for Russell saying it, but I believe he did attribute it :)
So if faith is doubt, why are so many bible bashers so certain they have it correct? that everyone else is wrong and must be "saved"?
Wow! A roller coaster of jam-packed intellectual adjectives, presented by 2 soul mates.
Both have visited, lived, and survived, the highs and lows of life's journeys thus far, and returned home to the source, that gives us the gift of eternal life.
A pleasure to hear their discourse.
Dr. Peterson. You helped save my life many years ago. You’re looking really healthy in this video. It’s good to see you thriving. There’s a glow to you. God bless you.
Russell’s impression of Jordan had me dead😭
Russel did very well to entertain a bit and break the monotony… Gosh JP can babble endlessly…
@@reginamemoriesforever-vc8ql i was going to say the opposite 😂
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"yes. how beautiful..."
"good god! there's a lot of jp 101..."
love russell's sense of humour with it all. while i do like jp's precise way of thinking and defining things it's certainly a lot to digest, where each "question" runs 5-10 minutes. his 'discussions' with guests usually feel like an interjected monologue. but at least they're thinking and discussing hey.
After all the years you two have been talking together, dearest Dr. Peterson, and the many changes that have happened in both your lives, I think it is about time you invited him on the podcast and I’m delighted you did. Russell Brand is not my cup of tea but I love to see the friendship between you.
As for his conversion, well, we shall see. I’ve been a follower of Christ for 35 years and I’ve seen plenty of people who say all the right things, go through all the right motions, attend all the right churches, apostatize in disastrous ways and take people with them. So I rejoice very cautiously, and I’m also very well aware that many people may profess Christianity to gain social or political status for themselves and at the first sign of trouble, would apostatize. So we shall see what we shall see. The foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And, Let everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity. Second Timothy Three.
Dearest Dr. Peterson, I’m so glad you aren’t one of those who say all the right things and live like the devil. Konstantin was saying on Rogan the other day that he’s never met anyone whose person and life so closely aligns with his message. I sensed that in you from the beginning and I love you for it. I am so glad to know you as a fellow melancholy pilgrim.
With Ruth Anne’s love
thats not very encouraging. Love is patient, kind, is not rude etc. do not judge and you wont be judged. With the measure you use it it will be measured to you. We are called to build up and encourage our fellow Christians. The man just accepted Christ and has declared it publicly. We are all on a journey
Typical "Christian". Who gave you the keys?
You are correct with your emotional human worries.
What you underestimate is our Almighty God!
He, with the help of the Holy Spirit just might have something else in store for Russel.
At that point, it would be up to Russel to accept or reject.
Time will tell.
May God bless Russel Brand, and may He also bless Dr. Peterson with belief in Him! 🙏
Perhaps I’ve used too many big words.
To “apostatize” means to give up known or professed truth, or to give up the profession of Christianity.”
I hope that helps- I remember being confused by that word many years ago.
@afringedgentian5426
I am not sure who your comment was directed to about using "big words."
I guess it really doesn't matter.
What matters is that you believe yourself to be in a superior state of intelligence.
I read the comments and didn't see where anyone was questioning your "big words."
It was rude to say to someone even if they didn't understand you.
May I remind you that pride comes before the fall!
I am proud of myself that I could always following these brilliant minds, and even the both of them together, I can follow and "digest" and understand nearly everything they are saying. It amazes me how people can be both so smart and so well spoken at the same time. God blessed them with such talents and it's beautiful to see they are using it the right way!
Amazing times we live in where we can have a college professor and movie star have a high level cutting edge conversation on the collective unconscious!
Favorite part is when Russell says now hold on let me go on for ages. Only he can stop the interruption of the great JP.
So true! That comment may have sparked a bigger conversation in my mind than everything else they said! 🤣
Recovery and spirituality debating theology with psychology and academia! Love it !
I don't know if this is your first interview with Russel, but I just have to say this is an answer to prayer in more than 1 way, I've always wanted you and Russell, 2 advanced minds trying to bring clarity to the masses. Also, the use of both of your platforms to discuss Christ. I'm thankful you both are free from the constraints of the system which cancels Christian values, I pray He is blessing you abundantly emotionally, spiritually, financially etc. The world is so ready for celebrities to finally be representing Christ
I know there’s at least 3 more. I think there are 2 on Russell’s channel and 1 on Dr. JPs channel. Something like that, either way there are a few more hours of content that shouldn’t be too hard to find. These two are awesome together.
I support him 100% of what he says at the end about addiction and the 12 steps. It's really a spiritual awakening. If you find people who are willing to brake their anonimity, look for them, many more important experience changes will happen.
I’m moved to tears! I saw the moment, a few months ago, while talking with JP, when RB lit ablaze like a blue tip safety match. I thought then, and now more so, that that match light reveals a room full of explosives in the center of town and if it isn’t snuffed out it’ll make a Big Bang. Brace yourselves ladies and gentlemen.
Well said
I really like intelligent and truthful conversations like this, for it does not only help the speakers realize somethings but also help the listeners. Unlike the one with Sam Harris that was awful, he is so lacking. When two speakers have enough knowledge is where the discussions become fruitful for both the speakers and listeners. Well done RB and Dr JBP!
What an amazing conversation. So glad Russell pushed back strongly with nuance and to then hear the ensuing back and forth as Jordan and Russell clarify and explore the issues underpinning the political and deeper spiritual realities.
*An utterly amazing conversation between two of the most profoundly wise men on the planet.*
I love how on fire Russel is.