Camber VS Rocker Snowboard Test
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
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In this video I test out the differences between traditional camber and rocker snowboards. The difference between camber and rocker snowboards is in the way that the snowboard is arched. The camber snowboard is arched so the center of the snowboard is raises off the snow, with the nose and tail touching. While a rocker snowboard is shaped more like a banana with the nose and tail arched away from the snow and the center of the snowboard touching. The five tests I put the snowboard through are basic turns, flat and narrow runs, carving, ollies and butters. It would be awesome to hear your feedback on the camber vs rocker snowboard test and what you think are the pros and cons between rocker and camber snowboards.
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You should have tested a normal rocker instead of an hybrid.
+McDudes I'm going to find the most rocketed board I can and test it against the most cambered this winter!
SnowboardProCamp that's awesome I can't wait for that video :D
SnowboardProCamp u can write the website from wich u bought the traditional camber burton process snowboard please ?
fratze187 I have hybrid and in powder it still wins. my friend got stuck in powder couple of times on his camber while I easily floated away
there are no friends who go snowboarding where i live :(
Come on man, slight advantage on butters? Rocker were designed for that type of playfulness and completely blow camber out of the water. This review is like: Car or Motorcycle, But its your first time on a motorcycle.
Douchy69 it was a hybrid
That just brings up more problems. Why use a hybrid for this video / why title it like he has / why keep referring to is as a rocker? Seems odd. I like all the other Snowboardprocamp vids I've seen, but this one missed the mark a bit for me. Thanks for trying to clear things up tho.
Douchy69 cause this kinda hybrid feels exactly like a rocker trust me
You don't know shit . I bet you can't even butter
Douchy69 it’s not at all like car vs motorcycle what the hell kind of analogy is that lmao
This is like a vegan reviewing steakhouses.
well said lol i find rocker way better this is all just preference and not facts at all
@@liammartin8773 you’re a little late responding to that comment
@@lukelea8007 it’s relevant as long as it’s posted
@@RenSayLess got me there
@@lukelea8007 so are u
I'm a 20+ year rider and have to say there is more to rocker than this. I switched from camber to a flying V and love it. It floats much better in powder and allows much quicker initialization into turns. It has a more loose feel and may be harder to control, but I find it more fun as someone who loves to spin a lot. It definitely is not as powerful in the turns, so it requires a little extra focus to stay locked. I wouldn't say either is better, just different. If you've ever been in really deep snow and struggled to keep enough weight on the back leg, you will understand why rocker is awesome. This also applies to going switch in powder which can otherwise be really difficult. Thanks for the great vids Kevin, hopefully this helps!
Thanks for the feedback! The rocker is definitely better in the powder.
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+Matt Angiono It also depends on the shape of the nose. Some rockers don't have much lift and won't be good on powder.
I suspect he is more experienced with camber and finds it more comfortable. An unintentional bias. This is a very small sample so don't draw any conclusions based on just this video.
Id have to agree. he gives a slight edge to buttering on the "rocker" board but he can hardly butter it and is clearly better at it on the camber board. ive tried a flying v rocker custom at a demo day and was not impressed, flying v is nothing like a true rocker board. this is a poorly conducted experiment
from this video some beginner snowboarder would deduce that camber is the only true way and rocker boards are just engineers' mistakes. and you didn't even mentioned that
1) on rocker you're less likely to catch and edge
2) rocker is superb in powder
and you should have tested normal rocker instead of an hybrid.
Neither of those boards are true rocker or true camber. The one board features the Flying V profile, which the shape he described in the video, but it's not really true rocker. The other board (green one) is a Burton Process Off-Axis, which has the "Pure Pop Camber" profile. It isn't true camber, but camber between the bindings then a flat zone then early rise, which is more catch free than true camber. So it's not really an accurate comparison between true rocker and true camber.
I feel like this is a bit biased because you've been using your camber board alot more recently
I grew up skateboarding and when I switched to Rocker/Camber from straight camber...it was like getting back on a skateboard which I loved. Easy turns, not catching your edge...that looser feel is awesome...like having trucks. Not only that but at speed I personally feel more stable. Notice in his review being on flat and narrow..he talks about riding edge to edge and feeling 'more' in control. That's actually a statement that he's not really familiar with rocker style boards. You don't need to ride edge to edge on the flats and narrows...just relax and let you board go... you can still go edge to edge to slow if you need to ....raise your hand if you've caught and edge in the flat on shitty hard pack on a camber board... Anyways, I'm on a rocker/camber and have zero interest in going back to full camber.
What the hell there is camber rocker skateboards now? 💀 I thought there were only camber/rocker snowboards
I actually learned on a v-rocker burton custom board, I feel it was great as a beginner but as I progressed it was hindering my performance. Jumps and ollies were shaky on the landings. And as I got faster the board would never hold an edge worth squat! Switched to camber and was amazed by how the board would lock in while I was on my runs. That 1st day with a camber board I bombed the mountain so many times and with speeds I never thought possible. Camber all the way!
could you do a "True" Rocker test comparison next time please :)
I've been riding since 1994. I had a rocker for many years, today I now own a flying-v and a camber.
I love the camber. Not a huge fan of the flying-v, and I don't really miss the rocker.
I think the most important is to have a board that's the right size, comfy shoes, sharp edges, nicely set binders, then you can worry about your board shape. Overall your riding skills will make the real difference. There's no right or wrong when it comes to board preference.
Why not a huge fan of FV? I’m beginner/ intermediate btw. The reason I ask is because I’ve read for my skill lever/style, FV is the way to go for now
@@cameronlafond820 In my opinion FV is Burton marketing trying to make a board for people who don't know what they want. Burton make amazing boards but if I have a choice I would take a camber over a FV any day. It's not related to skills level, just FV has some weird edges because it's trying to do two things at once but does neither well. Whatever you choose, I'm sure you'll enjoy it, the board shape isn't the most important criteria IMO, getting the right size is far more important (should fit under your chin!).
is camber worse when jumping? like more risky. i can only do 540s
and than there is me i dont even know which board i have😂
lift it up to your eye line and look at the profile, or put it on the floor and lay down and look that way :) see which part of the board comes up and which stays on the ground.
one thing that people don't really get is that rocker and magna traction are designed to work together. Lib tech is the only company with the proper technology to make rocker work well (sorry, but it's true). also, to carve well using rocker, you use the board differently, you work the middle of the board. if your used to riding a camber board and you just use rocker like a camber board, it's not gonna feel right. but when you recognize that you can really put a lot more power into the middle of the board, it opens up a whole new world of carving power, you can really adjust your arc, you can power carve through chunky and funky snow (the rocker absorbs bumps better when on edge). from what ive heard, NS makes really good carving boards with their camber/rocker combo, and Lib Tech's Banana Magic and Cygnus X-1 (and others) are superb. to review; you need a correct board, most rocker boards are for jib/buttery action. the right cam/rock combo along with "serrated edges" can give you supreme carving power, better powder performance, quicker turning ability, and improved performance in variable conditions (ice, chunks, not smooth snow) having ridden since 1986, these new flex shapes are a game changer, I would not go back to a camber board for all around riding!
I love my 2015 Lib tech banana magic! carves like crazy, floats in the pow, butters good, lands jumps well, light and fast.
Magna traction is only neccesary for east coast riding, or harder conditions, something like Arbors grip tech is a better variation in my opinion for most riding situations, and is more forgiving overall.
if you want a forgiving board, you can always get a skate banana, or get something with magnatraction .5. that said, I ride in CA, UT, and CO, so I am seeing some good snow, but you always see spots that are icy, even if it's just hoar frost under the pow. a high performance rider is going to appreciate the ability to really hold an edge no matter what sort of conditions you might be hitting. I find the rocker makes for a very forgiving board when the board is flat or in choppy snow, and the more you tip it up, the more the edge just bites in. combo of MT and BTX also gives unreal ability to carve truly tight turns, it was a game changer for me, you just have more control and power available, and you can be more aggressive because even if you hit a slippery spot, it's still gonna hold. arbor makes good boards, but lib is the creme de la creme, lightest, best built, most environmentally friendly boards, all made in US.
lib is canadian
near canada. WA is still in US.
My personal choice: flat camber/ zero rocker/ however you wanna call it. I used to ride a hybrid rocker for a long time which was really fun in all conditions (except for icy conditions) and all parts of the mountain. Playful, comfy powder riding, nice to learn butters and start off park riding as it is really forgiving (while you'd catch your edge pretty quickly on a camber). But as I was progressing in park riding I wanted something more stable for bigger jumps, but still playful and not too aggressive. At first I was pretty skeptic about flat cambers, but once I tried it I immediately fell in love. I'll keep my rocker hybrid board for those hard and long powder days, but I won't switch to another shape in all-day-riding.
The problewm with this test is they are comparing a good camber board wtiha shitty rcoker board!
You should compare BURTON PROCESS with LIBTECH T-RICE OR TRS, OR EVEN SKATE BANANA. you would see that libtech boards have much more edge hold due to their magnatraction techology. They give you the freedom of movement due to banana technology plus great edge hold with magnatraction! I have been riding for more than 17 years , used many board, the best boards are used are libtech and gnu. Check the goodwood awards, libtech and gnu has always the most prizes! And most of the other brands getting prizes get it by their rocker boards!
i had a lib tech.. the active edge on a 156 lib tech is around 117 cm and the active edge on a traditional camber capita DOA is around 121 or 124. Capitas have way more edge hold. also, i love jibbing way more with capita, more pop, and they do hybrid right by putting camber between the bindings and rocker closer to the nose and tail. floats soooo nice in powder. and Magnetraction is pretty much just good to hold up on ice better.. not much of a difference anywhere else..
sorry the active edge on a 154 capita is a 121 or 124 while the 156 lib tech is 117. smaller board with better edge contact
***** More edge contact does not mean better edge hold!:) In fact it is the opposite! Less edge contact means more edge hold. Magnatraction works on this principle! Pressure=force/area. that means the greater the area the less pressure, the less the area the greater the pressure! That means you obtain more pressure when your edge contact is less, which means more edge hold! That is why it holds great in icy conditions, because there is less edge contact, means more edge hold. Imagine you try to cut a piece of wood with a knife, it is very difficult. but you can cut that piece of wood with a saw very easily. Because knife's entire surface contacts the wood, whereas only teeth of the saw contacts the wood. Less contact means more pressure! Same in magnatraction; there are 7 tops, and hollows on the edges. When you do turns only the tops contact the surface, therefore, there i,s less edge contact, and more edge hold.
+george clooney that was an excellent analogy George:))
that would be great in theory, but in fact, you dont need that much of the force to hold on ice, you need at least ANY edge. With camber, you always have the safety in second meeting point, which applies the force vector straight underneeth your legs. With rocker, the force vector spreads across the board and to the bending while crossing bumps and loses along the way and only part of it goes to the meeting point, which when you lose, you are fckd. It's the same when you ride powder board on groomers, you have much less control over classic freestyle, no matter the fact you put higher force on impact by pushing the knees more heavily. Trust me, my bro was there.
First learn to butter like a pro and then you'll find the advantages of the rocker. And also rocker as better for learning as well, hence it's forgivable behavior.
So... Rocker is for - ground tricks, learning, powder, spins and tricks
Camber is for - speed, carving, icy slope
+Plamen Penev What advantages do you think the rocker has for beginners?
On my opinion, rocker is better for beginners, because it is easier to maneuver and it's forgivable in terms to catching the wrong edge while turning. Other good choice for beginners is a flat board.
+Plamen Penev I think it also depends on where you struggle while learning to snowboard. When you have troubles catching the wrong edge, a rocker could be a good idea. On the other hand, if you (like myself) have troubles with flat/narrow passages, the camber seems the better choice. A lot of the skiing/boarding areas where I'm boarding are traditional made for skiers, often connecting passages with long flat logging roads (I hope thats the right term). Those are hell especially for beginners who don't feel comfortable riding with high speed (to get the drive for the flat parts). The camber feels way more secure on those parts in my opinion. Apart from that, the feeling for the boarder should be the main reason to chose a board, so testing different styles should be recommended to everyone ;)
+Plamen Penev I learned on rocker and after switching to camber I wish I learned more on camber, because it took me a while to get used to it. Rocker promotes lazy riding and allows riding ok even with bad form/technique, while camber wont forgive you for those. You can also learn to butter like a pro on a softer camber board as well.
+MrFujiapples, I've learned on camber /at thet time rocker wasn't invented yet/, and then switched to rocker, which suits perfectly to my riding style - ground tricks mainly. Snowboarding shoud be easy, fun and why not lazy as well, I don't see that as a bad thing. With rocker board in the end of the day when you are tired, or when you learning new tricks small mistakes won't get you on the ground. Of cource If you are a big jump, slope or speed rider, camber would be a better idea.
Why is this not Camber Vs Hybrid? I feel like Hybrid profiles are much different than a full rocker profile. Also where the lengths of the boards the same? I feel like that would make a difference.
Yeah, the board lengths are the same. (159) I could title the video rocker hybrid, but I thought people may not know what rocker hybrid was and would be more familiar with rocker. That's why I explained the difference at the beginning.
Hybrids are full rocker throughout the board. They just have camber under the feet.
+Got Method not all of them are, like the libtech hotknife is a camber dominant with just a bit of rocker in between your feet
+Got Method depends on what kind of hybrid we are talking about there are so many different combinations. You have rocket camber rocker. You have camber rocker camber.
+SnowboardProCamp I see where you are coming from and thanks for the reply. it was a great video and keep up the good work. Would love to see you talk about all the different profiles and give a very in-depth analysis of them all.
Sorry Kevin, I love ur videos but this one is misleading. I've found that rockers are often more forgiving hence the easier to learn on.
This one time...
at band camp...
Did anyone seen the guy fall at 1:58?
I saw him
Ye lol
lol ye
James Call hahahahahhaha
James Call I
Surely it would've made more sense in a camber vs rocker test to ride a true camber board against a pure rocker board and not just a hybrid board.
It all depends on your terrain prefs. I have a big swooping rocker board which floats extremely well in powder. For groomers and kickers I use a twin camber board. Both perfectly fit my needs when used in the proper terrain, but would perform worse in the other situation. If I ever get into boxes or park more, I would buy a short rocker board, so that I catch an edge less easily.
Also, rocker boards are more fogiving in turns and landings, but give you less response if you're going for big, fast slalom style. And then there is the whole other issue of board stiffness...The best board for you is the board that best fits your riding style.
Wouldn't this video be a little biast since it looks like his main board is the camber
good catch!
There's a reason though. Seems like it works better for his style of riding. Some could like the rocker more tho!
Ethan Dipple that's what I was thinking
Ethan Dipple wouldnt that be true to any decent snowboarder doing any test/review since I guarantee you that they all have a type of board that they prefer to ride as their main?
Ethan Dipple
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It's not even rocker vs. Camber. It's rocker/camber hybrid vs camber. Full rocker would have more benefits where as the hybrid is just a best of both worlds.
The only thing I dislike about my camber board is the edge catch when I'm buttering. Other than that, it's a charger! I can ride 50-60mph without a second thought. Definitely more control than my rocker board...but rocker was more playful.
3D bases man, they are the way. www.gilsonboards.com/pioneer-snowboard.html these boards are really cool, they have a "soft edge" design so on hardpack your edge isn't making contact with the snow if you go flat base, and they have a ton of flex in the middle of the board with the rest being pretty stiff so you can butter on a camber board without worrying so much about hangups. But then you're still riding a camber board when it comes down to it so you can lay down some really nice carves. There are so many advantages, it's a great jib board concept because you can keep your edges sharp without worrying about hangups, great for pow, great for forgiveness on landings, but without sacrificing control on takeoffs. They have a US demo tour so you can ride before buying cuz the price is indeed on the steeper side. I have 2 and they're so worth it, saving for my 3rd.
Sam Clark same here with my old pro model sims. Its a board that want to go fast , ride aggresive, and pop. But I'm checking for a hybrid board, very curious about this shape
They have maps on the lift chairs. That's posh AF.
+Neuro Pulse haha!
Neuro Pulse mate I've been on chairlifts with heated seats
Evan O'Connor where are they?
when the place you're riding is as big as whistler, you need a map on the lift!
@@siddarthrajavelu7542 I think the Orange Bubble Express in Park City/Canyons, Utah has heated seats. pretty cool
I just switched to a lib tech trs c2 power , and although I have no camber experience to speak of, I am absolutely amazed with this board (my 5th board). Very stable flat basing, edge hold is phenomenal, pop is great, great in pow, great on hard pow, great on icy days, buttering brilliant, landings very good, one footing easy. I am in love with this board and have progressed more in 4 days using this board than in two seasons on my last board (rome agent rocker).
If you can't ride camber you can't snowboard
If you cant carve a rocker board then just stick with camber. its easier to carve on those sick groomers.
@@David-pv7ng if you carve on a rocker just mean that you had choosen the wrong board. only someone that doesn't know snowboard buy a rocker for carving if I buy a rocker Is because i want to surf powder....
Should've tested a rocker with magne traction.
Rocker and and hybrid are tow different animals
I mostly ride park. Switched from camber to hybrid. No ragrets, it's even hard to fall now
Hybrids tend to thrive in the park. Camber will almost always be a more powerful responsive ride though
This is my 30th year snowboarding. Sk8 Banana. That’s all I have to say!
Usually freaking love snowboardprocamp videos. But this feels super bias and not very scientific, clearly more comfy on a camber and suits your style. For example on the flat test (small amount of footage) showed you having to pick an edge and not actually flatboarding. I might argue the rocker looked better. Finally this isn't a traditional camber, so its tough to even compare the two.
Keep up the content though, you do great stuff.
There are so many options. I ride a balanced mix of deep powder and groomers in Japan and my go-to is my 161 Burton Barracuda which has that hybrid Flying-V camber and it excels at both; it chatters quite a bit on hardpack because of the long, floppy nose but the edge hold is great.
I'm about to roll out with two new boards for Japan this season; a 159 Arbor Shreddy Krueger which has what they call Parabolic Rocker where the rocker tapers towards the tip and tail. The sidecut has four extruded contact points as well so more technical riding is doable.
The other is the K2 Ultra Split 158 which is almost flat underfoot (like a 1/4" of camber) and rockered at the tip and tail.
So, two very different shapes this season. I'm curious how they'll perform and hopefully diversify my riding a bit.
Good comparison; thanks for spending the time pulling this together. Something beginners will want to be aware of is that camber boards may catch an edge more easily than a non-camber board.
Hey, how about flat board? O got mine before the season started. I found it to be incredibly stable in flat; if I catch an edge on a flat it just corrects itself out rather than destabilise. Very fun and easy in the park, butter, etc. How do you think it compares?
Should have mentioned camber is much easier to catch edge on, especially for beginners. I started out with a camber board and would catch edge and fall hard a few times a day. I switched to rocker and pretty much never catch edge anymore.
+dacasman you will catch more edge when you're learning and less afterwards. So if you use a camber initially then switch, it will seem like it's the board allowing you to catch less edge but it probably was just the typical snowboarder's learning curve.
I said "probably".
+Cichlid Bro That's absurd. I've been riding for 18 years and own rocker and camber boards and you are just dead wrong. Rocker will let you get away with mistakes you would pay for dearly on a camber board. If I'm going fast I wouldn't trade camber for anything. If I'm playing around in the park and trying new butters, rocker is better.
This also depends a lot on what you've ridden in the past. I went from a stiff camber to hybrid camber and definitely prefer the hybrid camber board. It is a lot more playful and forgiving. Seems like Kevin has been riding camber a lot which might be influencing his preference. I just had a demo day and everything I tried felt less comfortable than my board, so naturally, I would argue in favor of it.
No pro snowboarders ride anything other than Camber.
You can not compare rocker vs camber when the not same board , because the flex , length and wide are different.
You must compare for example arbor coda (rocker) vs arbor coda (camber) sorry for my bad english.
You can ride a garage door in powder so really doesn't matter if it's camber or rocker. A better test would be in the trees. I believe rocker has a slight advantage there but that's about it.
This guy is obviously a camber rider. Very biased opinions, this isn't helpful to new riders at all. Camber vs rocker is all personal preference, I personally believe rocker is much easier to learn on. My first board was a Burton cambered board and it just felt very stiff, like it was fighting against me. The second board I tried was a Lib Tech Skatebanana and I almost immediately progressed my riding twofold. Sure, rocker feels a little squirrelly for the first run or two but once you get used to it you will find everything becomes effortless. Easier turns, easier to Ollie and presses, and much better in the park. I guess my point is, if you're a new rider go try a rocker board (get a Lib Tech, they invented rocker, or banana as they call it and they are the best). Camber is better for advanced rippers who probably don't need to watch a video like this because they already know the difference.
I am a beginner snowboarder and use camber, haven't tried rocker yet but camber does a good job for me to learn things fast. Thanks to all useful youtube lessons like this one, I get in love with snowboarding very fast! :)
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Just get w never summer. Problem solved.
Bailey Davis love my never summer best board I've ever had for the park
So the Flying V/rocker sucks
Basically
Bro could you help me pleasee, I want to buy this board, Iam a normal rider ( not noobie, not professional, I ride in fields) Wich version do you recommend me? The camber one or the flying V? Please and also Iam looking to use ir with genesis step on bindings and burton sweath boots what do you think about that kit? Thanks
Ayo this video is 8 years ago. I would say flying v is for people who ride powder or ride terrain rerquiring the rocker shape. Flying v lifts up the nose and tail like a rocker snowbaord, but with a bit of camber in between which allows for some pop. I wouldn't get flying v unless you have a very specific reason to use it. Just go for camber
The board I got good on was a camber, then 2 years later I switched to a board with a rocker and magne traction for about 4 years. I never got any better on that board with the main reason being the edges. My GNU would always wash out on me even with the "7 points of contact" magne traction. On a camber when you put that edge in the snow you can really feel it in there and that's what you want for spinning, something to push off of. And for boxes and rails I still prefer the camber, I mean I can press just as good as a rocker board if not better, it has more to do with your boards flex and where you stance your bindings. For spins, pop, rails, and edge control I'd say camber all day. For powder and butters go with a rocker.
+Brennan Hamilton exactly my feeling too!
Good comments/insight. I've been riding the GNU Space Case (hybrid rocker with the magne traction) for 4 years and just picked up a full camber board (never ridden camber before). I am having the same "wash out" experience that you reference. I'm just worried about catching an edge, but we'll see next week when I get it.
Yeah I got a Process flying V, I like it. It's my 1st board I bought so I just got used to it and know how it's going to act. I might get another process or custom camber board later on just to see.
J Dawg I’m between the process Flying V and the camber version and I’m not sure which one to get. What do you suggest as my 1st board? I’ve been riding for 3 years now and I wanna start progressing more seriously
I have the burton custom, I love it
I'm a beginner riding a soft rocker board. Before I've tried some rental cambers and I would say rocker is way more forgiving for me. I feel when I'm about to catch edge and have enough time to correct it. If it's not too serious I can even feel the board correct me.
Rocker crushes camber in powder. For me that's pretty much the whole point of riding rocker.
Burton hero 2010/2011 version with 2/10 flex and rocker profile has definitely changed how i view snowboarding. Just the agility you could have with a soft flex twin rocker board opens up a very playful variance of snowboarding that was unavailable for me before trying this board, i instantly fell in love with this type of board and the various riding styles it allows .... definitely not a winner for speed, stability, carving or difficult / icy terrain ... but the fact it allows you to feel the sport in a more playful way, and just generally opening up new perspective to riding would give rocker profile, flexy boards more value in my opinion. Cheers!
I switched from camber to rocker last year, I was not 100% sure before trying but the first ride with the new board was awesome. Maybe it is because my old board was actually pretty old, but I loved the new one from the beginning. The main difference I saw was when going in powder: maybe you could have made it a little bit more fair by adding this test, but in general the results of the tests you make made sense. And I agree with some of the comments down here, I would always recommend a camber board for beginners: I feel comfortable with the rocker in pretty much everything I do, but I think it is something you appreciate when you have a better control on the board (especially when carving and going "flat")
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If you are testing camber vs rocker, you shouldn't test a hybrid board. You should test a true rocker. Like a burton nug or a arbor draft/westmark/whisky.
Rocker sucks... unless the board has Magne-Traction, and then it works. You gain more edge hold with Magne-Traction than you loose with the rocker. Get a Mervin board if you want a rocker board. P.S. You didn't show the advantage that rocker has in powder.
i dont think its smart to suggest camber boards for beginners. camber is better for high speeds and carving and popping off jumps, but its SO much easier to catch your edge if you dont know exactly what youre doing. rocker boards feel 5x more forgiving when trying new spins, and consequently for beginners just trying to learn how to turn themselves
Good video, 4-years and I have a comment. Rockers are for Cat Tracks and better for newbies. How do you feel about having to ride on Cat Tracks?
I'm an old school intermediate rider, so of course I say camber is the way to go. I need the stability and grip of a camber board. I guess it comes down to what kind of rider you are, but I think its a matter of putting in your dues and taking the lumps and bumps that come with learning anything new. When you finally get it and start nailing turns, I think you'll be much happier with a board that is stable with great edge hold rather than one that feels squirrely. Easy turn initiation is not a fair trade for reliable edge hold and stability, in my opinion. =)
I have to say rocker makes a huge difference for beginners. Its more forgiving and you catch less edges. I tried learning with camber, and then switch to rocker and I improved much faster. But once you get better camber gives you more control for sure.
+Alvaro G I have to agree. I have both a camber and a rocket board, and the rocket board is very forgiving. Especially when you start to jump 180's and 360's you can pretty much land like a dork without even catching an edge.
I started boarding in 83’.. still running swallowtails on big mountain riding..I’ll need to find a rocker board and try it I suppose.. standard camber is what I’m use to..I’ll skip the fancy tricks at my age.. lol
So the problem here is the surface he is riding on. On hardpack and icy conditions the camber will always win. But take that flying v into power and it kills the camber board
I learned snowboarding with a camber (only day 1-6), my first own is a rocker, but I still ride sometimes my boyfriend‘s camber board. I would say that I am pretty strong for a girl, however, for me the biggest advantage of the rocker shape is that I can do turns easily with much less power than with the camber(What this guy also explored in the video), thus need less breaks, what makes it much more comfortable for me.
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I have a K2 87 and a Burton 3-D Fish. They both have a specific job. Nothing handles Big Pow like the Fish but I wouldn’t ride it on the Crusty Stuff.
Full camber - all day every day.
And of course I did have to go through the edge-catching nightmare of learning to snowboard in the early 90s in the UK on a dry slope riding a full cambered super-stiff snowboard. Oh, and wearing ski boots and plate bindings as my local hill did not have any soft boots back then. Tough times! 😂
I snowboarded 15 years on a stiff camber. (150-160 range) I then upgraded to a Burton Nug (142) the first year it was out, when it was completely rocker (no flying V or hybrid) At first I had feelings like you have kevin, like there wasn't enough edge or something. After 7 seasons on the nug and over 300 days, I can say that initial reaction is FALSE. The thing about the true reverse camber, you need to COMMIT to your edge. Straight over carve and you reach this next level of edge hold. Like there is a relaxed carve with reverse camber boards, where you feel like you are slipping more, then if you lean just a bit more you lock into this rock solid edge and you can straight carve so hard you go back up hill. Also with the reverse camber I've been able to confidently learn front and back boards, lots of butter tricks like presses to 270 outs (front and backside)
I'll say though, the ONLY thing I can think of that is lacking in a reverse camber board is the pop. I miss my huge flat ground pop that comes with a traditional, really super stiff, camber snowboard. I haven't experimented with a hybrid (camber under feet, reverse camber between feet and on nose/tail. hows the pop on them?
What's your thoughts on your rocker on icy/hard snow?
@@LS67NOVA I would prefer camber, but, if you keep your edges nice and sharp you should be able to shred ice/hardpac on any shape.
Yeah bullshit, I ride a 2018 Rome Gangplank, I ride on the ice coast.... the thing makes turning so much easier even on ice. The pop is incredible it’s extremely playful. It’s rocker,camber,rocker hybrid. So i don’t know what your talking about less control.
Hi Kevin, which one would you suggest for me. I'm trying to upgrade my board because my current board is very stiff, cant do much tricks. I've been snowboarding for 3 years and would say i'm intermediate. I'm trying to do all mountain but more to freestyle.
www.evo.com/outlet/snowboards/rome-mini-agent-rocker-snowboard-boys.aspx
- this one has hybrid profile with soft flex but a bit pricey
www.evo.com/outlet/snowboards/rome-label-snowboard-boys.aspx
- this has rocker profile but medium flex
www.evo.com/outlet/snowboards/k2-hit-machine-grom-snowboard-big-boys.aspx
- cheapest with flat profile and soft flex
Thank you
I want to demo a rocker this winter, I have only used a couple camber boards. Intermediate infrequent rider. My usual riding partner is a skier, skis aggressively and I can't keep up through the steep moguls, especially not on ice days. I cant whip my tail around that fast. I'm 6'0 on a 163. Any obvious advice or board recommendations, brands?models? I'm usually in the Tahoe area.
How do you carfing? That looks horrible 😂
But these boards aren't made to ride good. I only ride f2 racing boards for example the Eleminator full cfk race or the Silberpfeil vintages 🤘this are good boards. Not these in your video
The test is biased. You knew which board you were ridding so, preferably and subconsciously you would go with the traditional camber board. It's natural to dictate choice with a board that you've ridden for so long. Try doing a blind test, which you don't know which one is which then try it out; you might get mixed results.
Great idea! Next time I'll figure a way to do a blind test on two boards I've never ridden before.
+CraveEdits This is like suggesting doing a blind test between a butter knife and a steak knife. you will know instantly if you are an experienced, so there isn't much point pretending.
+antihero3zx who knows? What if I gave you 4 boards mixed between camber and rocker, told you to ride them and asked you to choose which is which, even experts might get this wrong. Plus snow acts as a arbitrary riding field; riding might feel the same on a camber as to a rocker.
+CraveEdits ummm.... do you actually snowboard? Obviously itd be hard with all the combo/hybrid setups. pure rocker vs pure camber is beyond obvious to an experienced rider.
+Rick Collier Certainly. You're missing the point here it's not the difference, but the preference.
V rocker is the way to go, I've been riding a Ride Antic for two years now.
best is powder.
Maybe you're just riding a shit rocker board?! My K2 Parkstar was a much more fun board than my old Burton Custom. Powder and park is lots more fun, although high speed is a bit more twitchy than on the Custom.
What size board will you recommend for my first buy. I’m 5’10 tall weight About 220 and size 10.5 in boots
Its all about the right tool for the job. Big-jump, freestyle riders and beginners (no dis to the experienced freestylers intended) are going to benefit most from the rocker since it is a more forgiving design when the edges come in contact with the ground.
For all mountain riding I'll take camber please! I demoed a Custom Flying V without knowing anything about it's rocker/camber profile, and after one day I really hated that board. Turning it felt vague and sloppy (especially transitions). It didn't have any pop to it, and I did not have fun in the trees. On the plus side, I did survive some poorly landed jumps that would have spanked me on a camber board.
Powder is another beast where rocker probably has a slight advantage. But then length, binding offset and shovel/tail shape is going to have a much bigger influence.
I tested hybrid LIB TR vs camber Burton custom x and I have total different meaning my result 4 for hybrid and 1 for camber winner point just for carving.
I'm a Beginner rider and own a Burton Process Flying V. I totally admit that Camber would be better to learn on. But Since I learned on Flying V I feel much confident on the snowboard than I would on a Camber board. It built my confidence I guess.
@SnowboardProCamp I'm a goofy rider and would like to learn Switch riding. Would you suggest me to get really good at Goofy first then move on to normal, or should I progress on both at the same time?
Listen Up People: The only reason to ride anything with rocker is if you are riding powder.
I use a Camber board for groomers and a Hybrid Rocker for powder.
People who buy rocker or hybrid boards and use them for anything other than just powder are doing themselves a disservice.
Camber reins supreme and has rained supreme forever. Look at most professional snowboarders and what they ride (straight camber).
Hey Mate, while I agree with your comments regarding camber vs rocker to an extent, this is not a fair comparison. After switching to the Flying V 2 years ago I would never go back. Unless you have a good 3 solid days on the Flying V you can't appreciate it.
I don’t like rocker. I bought all the Omans and Cascades I could find and won’t have to buy another board for the rest of my life. Few boarders can ride like me but those that can keep up always ask for more. I love new binding technology. That’s the best advancement in the last 20 years.
I feel like this video is misleading. You didn't even use a rocker board. I could dispute most of your points too. There's nothing wrong with having your own opinion on these things, but a rocker or hybrid is easier to learn on, generally superior for powder conditions (which wasn't even tested), typically can transition more quickly edge-to-edge (good for narrow and tree runs), won't catch edges as easily, and is generally different but not inferior to cambered.
All I can really say is if you're brand new to the sport, finding a soft board that is NOT traditional camber is a little easier to learn with... then go to a demo day and try both. As for hybrids, I'd try a different brand, like Never Summer. There are plenty of hybrid boards that have great edge hold, carving ability, and overall stability.
*To sum it up, he states the obvious. Camber > Rocker in every category, except in buttering, which the Rocker board was basically made for.*
What you've said is all mostly true, but you didn't do a fun to ride factor/ playful factor, or a powder factor... To me the difference is if you're a charger type of rider or a more playful rider. Also rocker is 100% better in the powder.
beginners should rock then camber.....Beginners have a tendency to catch the edge and 911......then progress to a camber....rocker is better in powder. in all instances board length and width are important factors to consider. and if use of side traction as in many boards from Lib Tech, which combined with rocker offer better grip in ice conditions/patches etc. So you rev is leaves open many many variations and gaps. Snow is so different and varies from time of day, temperatures, etc etc etc.... my suggestion is get both, experiment and enjoy......
I ride a Burton Custom Camber and my brother rides a Burton Process Flying V. One of the lager differences I've noticed, is the Camber board feels much more stable at high speed. So if you wanna go fast. Get Camber.
I just bought Rocket/ camber / rocker. Just saw your video now 😮 should I by just camber instead of ?
I never went back after I bought a SkateBanana
I'd have to say, I completely disagree with this entire test. First off, what is the flex rating of the rocker board, this was not mentioned? Second, you're testing a hybrid rocker instead of just straight rocker, so that kind of throws the whole thing off especially when titling it "Camber vs Rocker". Also, your tests are very shallow it seems, and should be done at various speeds/slopes and surface conditions. There is a lot left out here, and the testing definitely leaned in favor toward the camber's qualities.
which is better is entirely dependent on where you ride and what you ride... camber or at least camber/rocker mix on the east coast is a must. too much ice for rocker, you'll be cursing 75% of the days you ride on a rockered board, which is only good for slow speed park stuff and floating in fresh. and the pop sucks on rockered boards. even in good conditions rockered boards are squirrelly as hell at speed. camber boards aren't as playful, but you can trust that the edge will hold you in anything. and if you know what youre doing you can make any board work, but you might not be having the most fun doing it.
i personally ride a camber/rocker mix, the gnu c2 shape of camber-rocker-camber. my next board will be all camber, and if i can afford to, the board after that will be a camber/rocker powder board.
Recently I bought a rocker board in changing of my old camber board, and guess what? I hated it, you just can't do a descent carving neither a narrow curve wthout slide. If you have a camber don't try change this to rocker board.....
Im a bigginer..im learning to how to turn or link an s..what board do u prefer..i haven't buy a board,im still renting.they said rocker style for easy turning..camber catch a lot on edge..what do u have in mind on my situation
This is really biased review. Obviously he is a camber rider and much more comfortable with a camber. Most people take a whole season just to learn how to link turns together smoothly. Many people get frustrated and give up before ever getting there. This is a far easier process with the forgiving nature of a rocker board. Even if you are sure you are a speed demon camber board lover at heart, pick up a cheap used rocker board for you starter board and pass it along once you are good enough to pick up speed imho. Camber is great for precision speed and control and high speeds, steep trails, big jumps, spins, etc, but that's not what a beginner needs. I've got 18 years riding experience and own nice boards in both rocker and camber. Many days I take both to the mountain and ride camber down the steep stuff and play around on the rails on my rocker.
I either like camber or zero camber, never rocker. I can do more tricks on a zero camber without sacrificing the control and camber gives me a more satisfying pop in carves and through tricks.
I love how every comment here just consists of people getting salty over your choice of board. The rocker has seen a recent spike in popularity, but is mainly for tricks, while regular camber offers more all-around, but can still shred parks.
damn guys let's lvl up yours karma or carma idk, send to me snowboard ( to Russia), coz I am still riding on soviet snowboard (that was a joke about soviet, it just russian), and mount for board 2.
I would say that camber is way better for a twin board....but for directional board...rocker is wayyy more cool!!! Cheers!
i have used a camber board for 4 years til this year when I bought a FV... sliding turns i like flying v but its barely a difference. Camber is so much better for carving but for riding on narrow runs I hated it because it catches way more edges while the FV has a pivot point right in the middle so the edges dont catch much. Ollies maybe camber wins but butters are way easier on FV.