Bruce, your Vacheron is an absolute stunner, the Overseas is just a gorgeous piece and my personal favorite in the genre, it's the model I'd pick for sure, great choice, enjoy it my friend.
I've had mine for 4 months now, same exact model. I've lost all interest in wearing my other watches. And when I do, I spend the time wishing I was wearing this one instead! It is absolute perfection to me.
@@weezkidtube Yes I have 8 watches and try to rotate them but this piece makes it really tough to do that!! I find myself wearing most days because you can change it up with the other straps in like 10 seconds! So long story short defo a daily wear! 😜
@@weezkidtube I agree with Armi. I wear this watch every day, and I neglect all my others. I do find myself staring at it often, admiring how the light reflects off the perfectly polished markers. When I'm bored at times, I take it off and stare at the caseback and the absolutely perfect gold rotor. And then I spin it around like a fidget spinner haha.
These are luxury watches, it's all about status. The vast majority of people buying these will be very rich as won't care about value for money or how many straps the watch comes with
It’s absolutely fantastic Bruce, thing is... even if I was given one, I would be scared to wear it. I realise that’s crazy but it’s SO much money. You love it so much we can all tell, I will just admire from afar.
It is a perfect watch in my opinion. I absolutely love it. I was torn between black and blue. And I gotta say the blue is hard to beat. It is definitely something I would love to own one day. Congratulations! Wear it in good health
I saw someone at the airport with it once, before I even knew what the watch was. It really stood out, and definitely suited the environment (the owner looked like the epitome of the wealthy traveler). The dial can be seen from quite a distance and looks striking. It was the reason I noticed it in the first place.
Admittedly, I'm a Zenith nerd, but most Zenith watches come in a high end box with a cool travel case nested inside. It just pops out and snaps shut for travel purposes. :-)
Great review! I was impressed with the accuracy you mentioned as I haven't seen anyone else speaking about it. That's my grail watch too. One day, hopefully. Enjoy it in good health Bruce!
The Overseas needs to either be a dress watch or a sports watch. The high polished finish and bracelet scream dress watch. However, the double rave track says sports watch. Having said that, I would't hesitate to wear it to any occasion.
I love this watch! I've had mine for 18 mos now. If you really want to you can set it to the second by timing the second hand to 12 and moving the minute hand if you want to. I don't bother anymore but have done it just to check the timing.
gotta love your vids sir.. the Gen 3 is really cool most especially because of the open case back and in-house escapement but for me, the Gen 2 has this very unique guilloche dial design.
If I may ask, what about this VC Overseas version in the Silver or Black dial, would you still like it as much as the Blue dial? would it still be your grail watch? Thanks.
Been collecting ,selling ,swapping watches all my life Bruce. I bought an old school tag heuer formula one chronograph ca1212-1, it's a quartz , it's got a jingly bracelet, a pressed clasp, a plastic bezel , a basic fold over clasp. Everything that's supposed to be bad about older designs. But when it's on the wrist it feels amazing and looks amazing, And is comfortable to wear also. The design is completely unique to tag heuer , unlike the VC , and weirdly, I feel special wearing it, even though I've got much better made watches in my collection. So the morale of my story is, I ain't got a flipping clue after 55 years on this planet, what makes a great watch, apart from one, that you will really love and enjoy !!!
The date, it really seems to be such an afterthought, it’s disappointing since the second generation’s date was so iconic. How do you compare the blue between the generation?
Whilst I love the blue dial the moving of the date window lost me on the 3rd gen. I picked up a 2nd gen chrono used with the double date window at 12 and it’s an impressive piece.
Gotta say i love that blue dial but unfortunately it seems that i will have to settle for the black. The blue seems to be almost impossible to find now.
Many say that it is ridiculous spending so much on a watch. As you mentioned, your phone can tell you the time more accurately. But when someone purchases a watch such as you VC you are paying for, let's face it, jewelry which tells time. You are paying for the quality, the craftsmanship, and the experience. Well done.
Hey Bruce, this is supposed to be a fairly new and in house movement. For $ 20.000 this still doesn't hack? They definitely have a design flaw here. This would never be found on a Rolex. The date font looks rather cheap and unimaginative. Otherwise the watch looks good, but it doesn't really seem to fit to you as a person. You are really a super casual guy. Thanks for the review! Cheers, Jack
@@Andrew.W75 Then what's the sense of being cosc certified or being finely regulated if you can never set the time correctly. Even if the watch runs at +/- 2 seconds a day, it really doesn't matter, because the watch can never be set exactly. This means that the watch will be running at worst case 30 seconds fast or 30 seconds slow, compared to real time, depending on how or when you set the time. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason that the watch is not hackable at this price point. For an $80 Seiko, I can understand that. 😉
Bruce, I'm looking for one watch as an everyday wearer. Would you recommend a Rolex Submariner Date (126610) from a AD for half the price or would you save and get the Vacheron Overseas 4500V with the blue dial? I know that they're not on the same level (horologically or finishing) but they are the two watches I'm interested in at the moment. Is the Vacheron double the watch of a Submariner? I like that both watches have quick adjustment which is a must have feature as an everyday watch? Thoughts?
For everyday wear I would go submariner. Probably my easiest watch to wear and forget about. Very robust and accurate. Is it half the watch as the Overseas? I can't answer that. It will be different to everyone and completely opinion based
I really enjoyed this video! Your production values have always been immaculate, but I feel that you've upped the ante in 2021. The Panerai video was gorgeous with all the Italy footage & movement macro shots. The intro to this video was like an outtake from a Gaspar Noe film or something. Travel footage AND French Arthouse LOL! Great job man!
Just a personal opinion, but I don’t think that the polished sides of the case looks high quality. They distorce light way too much for me. Same for the bezel
You know what doesn't distort light? A grand seiko zaratsu polish😏 you can actually read text reflected off the side of the case because the polish has zero distortion
Hi Bruce! I have few questions aboud bad things. I'd love to read your opinion. I had Overseas for almost a year, since feb 2019 to dec 2019. I sold it becouse it became too popular... ;) Seriously, I liked it better, when it was overlooked. 1. How do you find poor lume aplication on indexes? I see that yours has similiar quality in this area. I've spoken with many owners, most of them confirmed. We (watchfam) like to say Rolex doesn't put enough attention to this, but VC seems to be much worse. I remember someones comment under Watchfinder's video, it was something like "VC's that-will-do quality". It is good way to describe the problem... 2. Scratches on bracelet, do you have a lot? Brushing is so shallow... Like on Black Bays. You can even polish it with cloth... Mine had many scratches, and parts where it was polished from touching my cloathes. It looked very bad. 3. Leather strap is so poorly manufactured. It even doesn't fit lugs the same way rubber and steel do. It's too thick on the top and sit 1mm above the case. To make things worse - I wore mine 4-5 times maybe and stiches started to loosen. I know that leather is just additional strap, but sill, on this level it should be top quality. 4. Time keeping accuracy. Mine was -5s one day, and +11s another. And there was no rule to this. I tried to keep watch on certail positions during the night, but didn't find any pattern. So annoying. 5. Date window is soooooo generic, frame is also not very well executed. You compared it to Czapek Antarctique lately, and said that it is just half step beyond VC in quality. I think you are not objective here. I did have some time with Czapek and to my eyes it is that half step above. Dial has no issues with lume, bracelet seems to be brushed with greater attention. There was no single thing to point out as bad finishing. PS. Funny thing - two years ago even blue dial variants were available everywhere, and traded way below retail. I bought mine at Wempe and had 15% discount. Blue dial is incredible, like looking at deep ocean, but the best Overseas was... brown one! I wish I had an oportunity to spend some thime with it before I bought blue.
I know it's funny to say something this expensive as a great "value prop", but compared to its competitors (i.e. Royal Oak & Nautilus), I think the gen 3 overseas is such a good package.
Royal Oak 15202, which costs 2.5 times, at the market price, of this Overseas, doesn't even have a second hand. Anyone who thinks high horology is about accuracy they need to adjust their watch game. Personally, Royal Oak bracelet is better for appearance, and, to a certain degree, finish; But it's different finishing techniques between the twos, so it can't be simply compared at face value. Royal Oak bracelet is not very comfortable to wear as everyday watch though, Overseas bracelet, on the other hand, is the most comfortable to wear out of the 3 holy trinity sport watches. I do own both Royal Oak and Overseas and have owned Nautilus( just sold last year for a crazy profit,) so I have no bias whatsoever between these 3 "Haut de Gamme" sport watches. BTW, Nautilus bracelet is the worst of all 3 no matter what the price it's sold for...
Hi Bruce: Just ordered the gold bracelet from Karan this week for my Rose Gold Overseas Chrono. Until I get the gold bracelet I prefer wearing mine with the rubber strap as I actually bought mine as the high end alternative to an AP. The case shape is what rocks for me.
Great job. I totally get the part about the box. I was umm shall I say underwhelmed by the Rolex box honestly. Omega does a great box however much more like your VC. Thanks for sharing.
Technically no. But everyone places different value in different things. I think when you are spending over 10k on a watch you aren't buying for relative value as the driving factor. A VC is not 4x the watch as a typcial GS. But I would rather spend more and buy the watch I enjoy more (and I do think is a step above GS, just not 4 steps) I'm also consistent with the lower prices. I would rather buy a speedy than a 1k watch that isn't 4 times less than an Omega in specs.
Yeaaaaaaah Bruce! Crackin vid as alway!s. Your production, video and macro work is next level these days man. I wonder how VC would feel about the banging intro?, lol. I do love the VC Overseas, its beautiful!, movement is awesome! and so nicely decorated ... and BLUE is THE one to get. But in some ways it feels too by the numbers for me personally, i have seen them irl, but never tried it on or held for extended period ... so perhaps in the metal it goes next level? I love that you have a less conventional grail, but as a flipper do you really feel its a true grail?, i.e. is that it?, game over?.. I know there are no rules, but shouldnt a grail really be something you have to aspire to for a long and painful time, if ever achieving it. I suppose a grail is whatever you want it to be. I will be interested to see if this grail sticks, is it love or just very enjoyable lust for a serial flipper with increasingly expensive taste. All that aside, enjoy that honeymoon man! ... very stoked for you Bruce, well done.
Love the watch, it’s been my dream watch for a very long time. Even though the other two would go up in value. This is just nice to me than the other two and only people that actually like watches will know what it is. Unfortunately any mug will recognise a rolex ap or patek. Please could you explain what you mean by the fact it doesn’t hack please. Great video man
I heard the blue and black dials are made in the same factory and same method as the FP Journe Chrono Bleu... have you happened to find any truth to that?
Congrats again! Your timing is amazing, so I had to comment. I got mine in August 2020 and have purchased 4 other amazing watches since then. Last night I happened to notice my overseas in the mirror and the way the white gold markers glistened within the blue dial was like the first time I saw it. The surrounding stainless steel is timeless and this is the watch that gets the most wrist time. Thank God I got mine bc, especially with the 5711 going out, this watch will be just as tough to get. I'm partial to the overseas, nautilus is outdated and overplayed. For anyone looking for this watch in the Southeast, I strongly suggest the Vacheron in the Miami Design District. Natalie could not have been more insightful or pleasant to deal with. 1st class service and an awesome staff!
Hey Bruce, amazing piece. Curious what your wife thinks of the hobby/obsession and how you guys manage deciding on picking a watch for the collection. You have great taste, but the problem with that is price (Hulk, Overseas, etc), which most other family members would always bemoan and say it should be put into mortgages etc. Just wondering. Thanks!
She's amazing, and good with my watch hobby because all the important things in life are taken care of first and foremost. We live in moderation and don't carry debt outside of a reasonable townhome. I also only pay for watches and silly things from a portion of accumulated Ad revenue and not from my 'normal job' wages
Beautiful piece and great to see you love it still, that’s what makes it worthwhile. I’ve noticed that when i buy a car it’s great for a week or so and then it becomes just “the car”. This however will never be just “the watch” 👍
Hi Bruce, great review of a magnificent watch. I own the OS chronograph blue dial, best watch ever. Understated luxury and excellence. I like the fact it doesn't attract the attention of some other brands. I was lucky to walk into a boutique and simply buy it, no waiting - just good timing. Now there is a waiting list of several months for an OS model. I am in Australia (Melbourne) and the AD is fantastic. No waiting for the right client etc, they treat everyone with respect. Keep up the good work.
Hands down this is the watch. Beautiful and manly as well. Now if I can raise the the 20,000,000 USD. It will take time. That’s ok it’s just Time. Thank you Bruce ! Nice video.
This is also my grail. My boutique here in Canada has quoted me a 7 month -1 yr wait list with 10 thousand dollars down. I haven't pulled the trigger yet because I have a very lovely Omega Speedmaster Racing that I've been wearing daily and purchased last year but this Vacheron... wow just great. Thanks for the comprehensive review Bruce, I watched the whole thing and will most likely come back to watch it as my desire for this watch grows.
This watch is personally almost perfect and thats why its my grail and striving to get one . It has a very good balance of industrial and elegance which fits the watch and the brands reputation and history . My personal 2 negatives maybe #1 the hacking (which i do not really care as i do not set to the second and heard hacking adds to wear and tear ), but it still would be nice to have . #2 is the half balance bridge . Shock resistance overkill is always a plus and full balance bridge can be seen used by the most robust watches.
What's the true definition of a grail watch? The number one watch you want no matter the price? Or the number one watch you want that you can afford eventually with proper planning and saving? I've never understood exactly what grail meant. Thank you.
I don't know that there is a common definition. I would call a grail a watch that you adore, your favorite design. One that is a significant purchase and not one made on a whim.
Great review! You're clearly still in love with this watch...and that's perfectly OK! Enjoy it! You worked hard for it and I'm sure you're already marking time with it!
Bruce, just got OS last week!) Was encouraged by your purchase and reviews. The watch is just incredible, I'm in love with it. Quality of the execution is just over the top. Way better than Rolex (currently have black GMT and Bluesy). My Bluesy, when side by side to VC, seems so unserious, so "toy" like). And lack of hacking second and smooth date change doesn't bother me at all. Nothing is perfect) Thanks for review!
Thanks for the great presentation! Really enjoyed the visuals and discussion. I'm surprised about non-hacking for this watch and higher end watches. I would think that would be included as an aspect of keeping top performance.
Hi Bruce, if you are such an "addict" when it comes to a good watch bracelet, I wonder why you did not yet check out the newest generation TAG Heuer Link. Another watch that is highly defined by its bracelet. Of course not as refined as your VC but an icon in its on right...
Many holy trinity watches don't hack, not as an intentional choice, but because the movement architectures are ancient. IMO, what is the point of creating such an accurate movement if you can't even hack it to take advantage of the accuracy. I'm certain whenever they get around to updating the movement, they will add hacking. That does cheese me off a little, that they won't invest in updating the movement when they are charging 30 grand. That is probably the biggest negative of these holy trinity non hacking sport watches IMO.
@@BruceWilliams WOW I did not know that. IMO that makes it even worse. I understand it doesn’t affect the accuracy, but my point is, what’s the point of an accurate watch if you can’t sync up the seconds! But this is my only critisism of the watch. Everything else is fantastic
@@conradcoolerfiend it's because you're rich af and probably have a phone to tell you the exact accurate time to the seconds 😂 if you're stupid rich you wouldn't nearly care that much about the time 😎
Bruce, your Vacheron is an absolute stunner, the Overseas is just a gorgeous piece and my personal favorite in the genre, it's the model I'd pick for sure, great choice, enjoy it my friend.
I've had mine for 4 months now, same exact model. I've lost all interest in wearing my other watches. And when I do, I spend the time wishing I was wearing this one instead! It is absolute perfection to me.
Totally agree!! Also love the versatility of changing the straps!
How do you find the daily wear with this watch? Do you find yourself looking at it more compared to wearing other pieces?
@@weezkidtube Yes I have 8 watches and try to rotate them but this piece makes it really tough to do that!! I find myself wearing most days because you can change it up with the other straps in like 10 seconds! So long story short defo a daily wear! 😜
@@weezkidtube I agree with Armi. I wear this watch every day, and I neglect all my others. I do find myself staring at it often, admiring how the light reflects off the perfectly polished markers. When I'm bored at times, I take it off and stare at the caseback and the absolutely perfect gold rotor. And then I spin it around like a fidget spinner haha.
@@ArmiIngratta Dang, you guys make me want to get one tomorrow!
That clasp extension is perfect!
Its really handy. I used it quite a bit when the weather here was warm. No so much thus far this winter
I never knew that it did that.
The fact that the Royal Oak and Nautilus don't come with at least ONE extra strap is inexcusable at that price point. Vacheron does it right imo
These are luxury watches, it's all about status. The vast majority of people buying these will be very rich as won't care about value for money or how many straps the watch comes with
Maybe, but I am not rich and have a VC, AP and others and it matters to me.
Wow, I could melt away when I see this watch, especially the blue! Very well chosen, very well done!
I was very wrong about you in my past comments. You are a great collector with a great watch channel! Wear it in good health!
the new Overseas with the Geneva hallmark is my new Grail watch! I want the black dial.... so deep!
It’s absolutely fantastic Bruce, thing is... even if I was given one, I would be scared to wear it. I realise that’s crazy but it’s SO much money. You love it so much we can all tell, I will just admire from afar.
That is a stunning watch. Added to my own list now of possible grail watches!
It is a perfect watch in my opinion. I absolutely love it. I was torn between black and blue. And I gotta say the blue is hard to beat. It is definitely something I would love to own one day. Congratulations! Wear it in good health
I saw someone at the airport with it once, before I even knew what the watch was. It really stood out, and definitely suited the environment (the owner looked like the epitome of the wealthy traveler).
The dial can be seen from quite a distance and looks striking. It was the reason I noticed it in the first place.
Just bought a preowned at around 28k, worth it and this watch will be my grail watch for all occasions.
What a beautiful time piece, love your honesty, congrats Bruce.
Excellent videography and excellent watch.
I wish high end watch companies would ditch the high end wood box and add some kind of cool travel case that is more useful.
Admittedly, I'm a Zenith nerd, but most Zenith watches come in a high end box with a cool travel case nested inside. It just pops out and snaps shut for travel purposes. :-)
I can relate to your emotions. I bought the silver dual time one a couple of weeks ago and my god it is an amazing watch. The dial is truly beautiful.
Frankly, that watch really appeals to me. I love Vacheron Constantin and the Maltese Cross. I respect PP and AP, but I really do adore VC.
Great review! I was impressed with the accuracy you mentioned as I haven't seen anyone else speaking about it. That's my grail watch too. One day, hopefully.
Enjoy it in good health Bruce!
Soooooo good. By far the coolest amongst the sports watches of the big three
Man!! What an intense intro!! Keep it up...your intros are astounding!
Same here. This and Lange 1 are my 2 current grails.
Great review and congrats on the pickup.
Silver and black versions tough to get now too. Stunning timepiece ... in any color.
Not for me, but I am glad that you like it!
The Overseas needs to either be a dress watch or a sports watch. The high polished finish and bracelet scream dress watch. However, the double rave track says sports watch. Having said that, I would't hesitate to wear it to any occasion.
I love this watch! I've had mine for 18 mos now. If you really want to you can set it to the second by timing the second hand to 12 and moving the minute hand if you want to. I don't bother anymore but have done it just to check the timing.
gotta love your vids sir.. the Gen 3 is really cool most especially because of the open case back and in-house escapement but for me, the Gen 2 has this very unique guilloche dial design.
Great review Bruce, this has recently rose to the top of my list and looking for one at retail now too. Wish me luck! Just subscribed too!
If I may ask, what about this VC Overseas version in the Silver or Black dial, would you still like it as much as the Blue dial? would it still be your grail watch?
Thanks.
Been collecting ,selling ,swapping watches all my life Bruce. I bought an old school tag heuer formula one chronograph ca1212-1, it's a quartz , it's got a jingly bracelet, a pressed clasp, a plastic bezel , a basic fold over clasp. Everything that's supposed to be bad about older designs. But when it's on the wrist it feels amazing and looks amazing,
And is comfortable to wear also. The design is completely unique to tag heuer , unlike the VC , and weirdly, I feel special wearing it, even though I've got much better made watches in my collection.
So the morale of my story is, I ain't got a flipping clue after 55 years on this planet, what makes a great watch, apart from one, that you will really love and enjoy !!!
The way he said ‘…Ah it’s been 6 month’s…’ that’s marriage talk 😂
The date, it really seems to be such an afterthought, it’s disappointing since the second generation’s date was so iconic. How do you compare the blue between the generation?
Whilst I love the blue dial the moving of the date window lost me on the 3rd gen. I picked up a 2nd gen chrono used with the double date window at 12 and it’s an impressive piece.
@@jeremypitotti6654 i have gen2 chrono. Luv it. Same mvnt as AP RO chrono for 1/2 price. The white dial is smokin.
It’s a stunning piece Bruce. That rubber strap is a winner.
Beautiful watch, enjoy it. 👍
Gotta say i love that blue dial but unfortunately it seems that i will have to settle for the black.
The blue seems to be almost impossible to find now.
Agree. I just placed a deposit for the black 2 days ago
Beautiful watch
Many say that it is ridiculous spending so much on a watch. As you mentioned, your phone can tell you the time more accurately. But when someone purchases a watch such as you VC you are paying for, let's face it, jewelry which tells time. You are paying for the quality, the craftsmanship, and the experience. Well done.
Hey Bruce, this is supposed to be a fairly new and in house movement. For $ 20.000 this still doesn't hack? They definitely have a design flaw here. This would never be found on a Rolex. The date font looks rather cheap and unimaginative. Otherwise the watch looks good, but it doesn't really seem to fit to you as a person. You are really a super casual guy. Thanks for the review! Cheers, Jack
VC's movements usually can't hack. Seems they don't think it's necessary.
@@leyay7540 Yeah, it's like buying a Ferrari without a gearbox. 🙄
@@Andrew.W75 Then what's the sense of being cosc certified or being finely regulated if you can never set the time correctly. Even if the watch runs at +/- 2 seconds a day, it really doesn't matter, because the watch can never be set exactly. This means that the watch will be running at worst case 30 seconds fast or 30 seconds slow, compared to real time, depending on how or when you set the time. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason that the watch is not hackable at this price point. For an $80 Seiko, I can understand that. 😉
@@j.vanguard4654 it's more like buying a Ferrari that you expect to be able to easily do an oil change yourself.
Lol
This is also my grail watch... Thinking of flipping my GMT II LN in a couple of years to release some funds to get it. Enjoy this stunning watch! 👌🏻
Bruce, I'm looking for one watch as an everyday wearer. Would you recommend a Rolex Submariner Date (126610) from a AD for half the price or would you save and get the Vacheron Overseas 4500V with the blue dial? I know that they're not on the same level (horologically or finishing) but they are the two watches I'm interested in at the moment. Is the Vacheron double the watch of a Submariner? I like that both watches have quick adjustment which is a must have feature as an everyday watch? Thoughts?
For everyday wear I would go submariner. Probably my easiest watch to wear and forget about. Very robust and accurate. Is it half the watch as the Overseas? I can't answer that. It will be different to everyone and completely opinion based
Been a long time coming,, absolutely stunning watch,, congratulations,,
Thank you very much John
Beautiful 🤩
Stunning watch.
One of my grails :) congrats!
I really enjoyed this video! Your production values have always been immaculate, but I feel that you've upped the ante in 2021. The Panerai video was gorgeous with all the Italy footage & movement macro shots. The intro to this video was like an outtake from a Gaspar Noe film or something. Travel footage AND French Arthouse LOL! Great job man!
Beautiful piece I totally agree with your opinion on the dial
Superb review of one of the best watch out there. Great camera work and brilliant comments. Enjoy this grail watch. 💥💥💥
Thank you!
Just a personal opinion, but I don’t think that the polished sides of the case looks high quality. They distorce light way too much for me. Same for the bezel
You know what doesn't distort light? A grand seiko zaratsu polish😏 you can actually read text reflected off the side of the case because the polish has zero distortion
Great watch. I can't wait to get mine. I see we know some of the same dealers 😎
epic watch, truly one of the greats
What camera do you use for those close up shots?
IMHO, if a movement doesn't hack, might as well make the watch a 2-hander, why need a second hand anymore? The dial will look cleaner that way too.
Why need a seconds hand anymore? Uh, to time something in seconds. Or check your pulse.
I would not buy a watch without a seconds hand
@@highnrising I respect your choice, but many watches are fine without a second hand, especially dress watches, or some Panerai sport models.
magnificent watch
Royal oak is the most beautiful braclet but also the most uncomfortable! Do you regret selling it ?
Great intro - I’m really enjoying your videos.
That is really nice to hear, thank you!
Hi Bruce! I have few questions aboud bad things. I'd love to read your opinion. I had Overseas for almost a year, since feb 2019 to dec 2019. I sold it becouse it became too popular... ;) Seriously, I liked it better, when it was overlooked.
1. How do you find poor lume aplication on indexes? I see that yours has similiar quality in this area. I've spoken with many owners, most of them confirmed. We (watchfam) like to say Rolex doesn't put enough attention to this, but VC seems to be much worse. I remember someones comment under Watchfinder's video, it was something like "VC's that-will-do quality". It is good way to describe the problem...
2. Scratches on bracelet, do you have a lot? Brushing is so shallow... Like on Black Bays. You can even polish it with cloth... Mine had many scratches, and parts where it was polished from touching my cloathes. It looked very bad.
3. Leather strap is so poorly manufactured. It even doesn't fit lugs the same way rubber and steel do. It's too thick on the top and sit 1mm above the case. To make things worse - I wore mine 4-5 times maybe and stiches started to loosen. I know that leather is just additional strap, but sill, on this level it should be top quality.
4. Time keeping accuracy. Mine was -5s one day, and +11s another. And there was no rule to this. I tried to keep watch on certail positions during the night, but didn't find any pattern. So annoying.
5. Date window is soooooo generic, frame is also not very well executed.
You compared it to Czapek Antarctique lately, and said that it is just half step beyond VC in quality. I think you are not objective here. I did have some time with Czapek and to my eyes it is that half step above. Dial has no issues with lume, bracelet seems to be brushed with greater attention. There was no single thing to point out as bad finishing.
PS. Funny thing - two years ago even blue dial variants were available everywhere, and traded way below retail. I bought mine at Wempe and had 15% discount. Blue dial is incredible, like looking at deep ocean, but the best Overseas was... brown one! I wish I had an oportunity to spend some thime with it before I bought blue.
it looks beautiful!! Compare to hulk how heavy the watch (with bracelet)? Thanks again!
Same here. The 4500V in 18K is my grail. But I’m happy to wear the S/S version until I have $70K to spend on a watch. Ha! Ha! Ha!
I know it's funny to say something this expensive as a great "value prop", but compared to its competitors (i.e. Royal Oak & Nautilus), I think the gen 3 overseas is such a good package.
Royal Oak 15202, which costs 2.5 times, at the market price, of this Overseas, doesn't even have a second hand. Anyone who thinks high horology is about accuracy they need to adjust their watch game. Personally, Royal Oak bracelet is better for appearance, and, to a certain degree, finish; But it's different finishing techniques between the twos, so it can't be simply compared at face value. Royal Oak bracelet is not very comfortable to wear as everyday watch though, Overseas bracelet, on the other hand, is the most comfortable to wear out of the 3 holy trinity sport watches. I do own both Royal Oak and Overseas and have owned Nautilus( just sold last year for a crazy profit,) so I have no bias whatsoever between these 3 "Haut de Gamme" sport watches. BTW, Nautilus bracelet is the worst of all 3 no matter what the price it's sold for...
Tim Mosso just reviewed your watch. His review took only 5 minutes. What did you think of that?
Fantastic video Bruce!
Thank you!
Hi Bruce:
Just ordered the gold bracelet from Karan this week for my Rose Gold Overseas Chrono. Until I get the gold bracelet
I prefer wearing mine with the rubber strap as I actually bought mine as the high end alternative to an AP. The case shape is what rocks for me.
Great job. I totally get the part about the box. I was umm shall I say underwhelmed by the Rolex box honestly. Omega does a great box however much more like your VC. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Bruce, nice review. Watch is gorgeous, movement is gorgeous, bracelet is gorgeous. What an amazing grail watch.
Thank you Scott
This is my grail watch as well. I've been saving for it for a bit. Hopefully I'll be able to afford it soon.
Hi Bruce, I was wondering.
Do you consider this piece 4 times superior to a Grand seiko as the price tag would suggest?
Technically no. But everyone places different value in different things. I think when you are spending over 10k on a watch you aren't buying for relative value as the driving factor. A VC is not 4x the watch as a typcial GS. But I would rather spend more and buy the watch I enjoy more (and I do think is a step above GS, just not 4 steps) I'm also consistent with the lower prices. I would rather buy a speedy than a 1k watch that isn't 4 times less than an Omega in specs.
Yeaaaaaaah Bruce! Crackin vid as alway!s. Your production, video and macro work is next level these days man. I wonder how VC would feel about the banging intro?, lol.
I do love the VC Overseas, its beautiful!, movement is awesome! and so nicely decorated ... and BLUE is THE one to get. But in some ways it feels too by the numbers for me personally, i have seen them irl, but never tried it on or held for extended period ... so perhaps in the metal it goes next level?
I love that you have a less conventional grail, but as a flipper do you really feel its a true grail?, i.e. is that it?, game over?.. I know there are no rules, but shouldnt a grail really be something you have to aspire to for a long and painful time, if ever achieving it. I suppose a grail is whatever you want it to be. I will be interested to see if this grail sticks, is it love or just very enjoyable lust for a serial flipper with increasingly expensive taste.
All that aside, enjoy that honeymoon man! ... very stoked for you Bruce, well done.
lol I hope someone at the Richemont Group watches my videos. Have ones for a IWC and Cartier coming up soon
Roman Sharf called the the blue dial the best. I love the Overseas collection.
Love the watch, it’s been my dream watch for a very long time. Even though the other two would go up in value. This is just nice to me than the other two and only people that actually like watches will know what it is. Unfortunately any mug will recognise a rolex ap or patek. Please could you explain what you mean by the fact it doesn’t hack please. Great video man
I heard the blue and black dials are made in the same factory and same method as the FP Journe Chrono Bleu... have you happened to find any truth to that?
Happy for you!
I can’t get over the lack of hack seconds function.
Hacking seconds function is not good for the movement. Also, if you need true atomic time, then these aren’t the right tools for you.
@@srp006 poor answer
Hi Nom. the lack of hack second is not important for me. The Watch has 150 me water resistent and a perfekt Bracelet. Greetings from Germany
Hi Bruce. How much does it weigh on the bracelet fitted to your wrist?
Great video
Hopefully I can get one within the next decade... definitely a holy grail!
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Breguet Marine 5857ST/12/SZ0 vs VACHERON CONSTANTIN OVERSEAS Dual Time .....
Which of the two titans is better ... ???
Congrats again! Your timing is amazing, so I had to comment. I got mine in August 2020 and have purchased 4 other amazing watches since then. Last night I happened to notice my overseas in the mirror and the way the white gold markers glistened within the blue dial was like the first time I saw it. The surrounding stainless steel is timeless and this is the watch that gets the most wrist time. Thank God I got mine bc, especially with the 5711 going out, this watch will be just as tough to get. I'm partial to the overseas, nautilus is outdated and overplayed. For anyone looking for this watch in the Southeast, I strongly suggest the Vacheron in the Miami Design District. Natalie could not have been more insightful or pleasant to deal with. 1st class service and an awesome staff!
Three months in and I’m still loving mine! Thanks for the review.
Beautiful watch. VC deservedly in the Holy Grail Trio. But, are we quite sure that introduction was appropriate for VC ??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol sometimes I try to think outside the box
The holy trinity
Vc,ap,pp
I think vc and ap still use hallmark of Geneva but pp has left this standard now and doing their own standard now I believe
Hey Bruce, amazing piece. Curious what your wife thinks of the hobby/obsession and how you guys manage deciding on picking a watch for the collection. You have great taste, but the problem with that is price (Hulk, Overseas, etc), which most other family members would always bemoan and say it should be put into mortgages etc. Just wondering. Thanks!
She's amazing, and good with my watch hobby because all the important things in life are taken care of first and foremost. We live in moderation and don't carry debt outside of a reasonable townhome. I also only pay for watches and silly things from a portion of accumulated Ad revenue and not from my 'normal job' wages
Beautiful piece and great to see you love it still, that’s what makes it worthwhile. I’ve noticed that when i buy a car it’s great for a week or so and then it becomes just “the car”. This however will never be just “the watch” 👍
Hi Bruce, great review of a magnificent watch. I own the OS chronograph blue dial, best watch ever. Understated luxury and excellence. I like the fact it doesn't attract the attention of some other brands. I was lucky to walk into a boutique and simply buy it, no waiting - just good timing. Now there is a waiting list of several months for an OS model. I am in Australia (Melbourne) and the AD is fantastic. No waiting for the right client etc, they treat everyone with respect. Keep up the good work.
Have you got any scratches on it yet Bruce?
Yes, some hairlines on the polished bezel, one or two on the bracelet. Nothing bad
How often do you switch up the other straps if at all? And have you gotten any scratches or significant marks to it
Usually put it on rubber every 2 weeks or so. No wear outside of some hairlines in the polished bezel.
Hands down this is the watch. Beautiful and manly as well. Now if I can raise the the 20,000,000 USD. It will take time. That’s ok it’s just Time. Thank you Bruce ! Nice video.
This is also my grail. My boutique here in Canada has quoted me a 7 month -1 yr wait list with 10 thousand dollars down. I haven't pulled the trigger yet because I have a very lovely Omega Speedmaster Racing that I've been wearing daily and purchased last year but this Vacheron... wow just great. Thanks for the comprehensive review Bruce, I watched the whole thing and will most likely come back to watch it as my desire for this watch grows.
Excalibur. So much better than Gen 1 and 2.
So, the Royal oak is not in the back of your mind...? or is it slowly on it’s way.....
Have you tried it, compared it?
I much prefer this to the AP RO.
This watch is personally almost perfect and thats why its my grail and striving to get one . It has a very good balance of industrial and elegance which fits the watch and the brands reputation and history . My personal 2 negatives maybe #1 the hacking (which i do not really care as i do not set to the second and heard hacking adds to wear and tear ), but it still would be nice to have . #2 is the half balance bridge . Shock resistance overkill is always a plus and full balance bridge can be seen used by the most robust watches.
What's the true definition of a grail watch? The number one watch you want no matter the price? Or the number one watch you want that you can afford eventually with proper planning and saving? I've never understood exactly what grail meant. Thank you.
I don't know that there is a common definition. I would call a grail a watch that you adore, your favorite design. One that is a significant purchase and not one made on a whim.
No. That YM is not close to being a replacement for the VC although the Czapak is.
How does this compare to the Girard Perregaux Laureato. I love both of them but the price difference is it justified?
I know you've handled both
Yes from my experience the VC is noticeably a step above the GP. But whether it's worth the premium is subjective. For me, yes
Great review! You're clearly still in love with this watch...and that's perfectly OK! Enjoy it! You worked hard for it and I'm sure you're already marking time with it!
Bruce, just got OS last week!) Was encouraged by your purchase and reviews. The watch is just incredible, I'm in love with it. Quality of the execution is just over the top. Way better than Rolex (currently have black GMT and Bluesy). My Bluesy, when side by side to VC, seems so unserious, so "toy" like). And lack of hacking second and smooth date change doesn't bother me at all. Nothing is perfect) Thanks for review!
Great review - I am surprised no mention of the lack of crown guards.
Oh good point. I'm glad they went back to the 222 style with no guards for the Gen 3. More fluid and comfortable
Thanks for the great presentation! Really enjoyed the visuals and discussion. I'm surprised about non-hacking for this watch and higher end watches. I would think that would be included as an aspect of keeping top performance.
I wonder if the new Nautilus will get hacking. It may slowly seep into the haute segment, but will likely be very slow
Hi Bruce, if you are such an "addict" when it comes to a good watch bracelet, I wonder why you did not yet check out the newest generation TAG Heuer Link. Another watch that is highly defined by its bracelet. Of course not as refined as your VC but an icon in its on right...
Its on the list of watches to check out. I've seen some older generations of the link but nothing modern
Bruce, I was just wondering how much the VC weighs?
176g on the bracelet
Many holy trinity watches don't hack, not as an intentional choice, but because the movement architectures are ancient. IMO, what is the point of creating such an accurate movement if you can't even hack it to take advantage of the accuracy. I'm certain whenever they get around to updating the movement, they will add hacking. That does cheese me off a little, that they won't invest in updating the movement when they are charging 30 grand. That is probably the biggest negative of these holy trinity non hacking sport watches IMO.
This movement debuted in 2016. Its a very new caliber. The non hacking was an intentional choice. It doesn't affect accuracy in the slightest.
@@BruceWilliams WOW I did not know that. IMO that makes it even worse. I understand it doesn’t affect the accuracy, but my point is, what’s the point of an accurate watch if you can’t sync up the seconds! But this is my only critisism of the watch. Everything else is fantastic
@@conradcoolerfiend it's because you're rich af and probably have a phone to tell you the exact accurate time to the seconds 😂 if you're stupid rich you wouldn't nearly care that much about the time 😎