I have owned multiple Royal Oaks including the chronograph and the perpetual calendar which was my daily wear for years. I have nothing negative to say regarding the Royal Oak. A few observations though: The finish on the Royal Oak is so exacting it is an absolute scratch magnet. On a Rolex, scratches give it character. On a Royal Oak it gives pain. The bezel dings fairly easily and the bracelet is a scratch magnet. Refinishing is a nerve-racking process. One can only refinish the bezel a few times before it loses the continuity. I have worn my 4500 V now for two years. I frequently wear it off the bracelet and on the rubber. I have the blue rubber as well as the black and the brown, as well as the blue crocodile strap. The ability to switch makes this a potentially single watch collection for all occasions. The water resistance and antimagnetic characters of the VC are far superior than the Royal Oak. The VC water resistance exceeds the Rolex standard oyster perpetual. For me, the choice is easy. The VC overseas is a much better day today watch which has the ability to be used as a sports watch. I know, because that’s the way I use it. There are circumstances in which I don’t feel like potentially beating up my $20,000 watch and for that I have a tutor Pelagos in titanium. But the VC overseas almost never comes off my wrist. It does not seem to stop from the same scratch magnet issues that I had with my Royal Oaks. Furthermore, because I can place it on the rubber, and frequently do, and even further helps to preserve the fine finish of the bracelet. I have spent silly amounts of money on watches over my lifetime. Through that, I am drawn certain conclusions to work for me. I don’t need an excess of complications (and I have tried almost all of them) I want a high horology watch on a bracelet (live in a humid climate) that I can wear every day. AP is a sporty watch. The Overseas is a sports watch that you can easily wear on elegant rubber or alligator. And looks like it belongs there in any variation. Aesthetic’s are debatable and while I very much like the Royal Oak, the VC has a less aggressive posture and I believe is more flexible for multiple uses. The clear winner for me is the overseas. Ymmv
It's weird that the Overseas does not that look fabulously good when it's alone, but when you put it together with some hottest pieces out there, it never lose.
The Vacheron Overseas IMO is much more appealing. The Maltese Cross tied to the dial, bezel, band and clasp are fantastic. The esthetic simplicity of this watch is very attractive. The versatility of being able to change bands instantly expands the watch wear-ability. One last point, the price of the Vacheron is approximately 1/2 of the AP yet we are comparing them as equals. So what would justify this crazy price differential? Nothing....quality, beauty, versatility and a better price point make the VC a winner all day.
At current market prices, VC Overseas wins all day. However, it’s definitely not half the price of a 41mm Royal Oak. Current market price for blue dial Overseas is USD 18-19k on average. It’s still great value compared to the hyped up Nautilus, Aquanaut and Royal Oak
I personally never seen anybody wear an overseas. I consider the AP the rich man’s watch, but there is a lot of people (not everyone) who wear AP that can’t have a conversation about watches they just buy it for the hype, whereas if I see somebody wearing A VC he is probably the most interesting guy in the room and he knows a thing or two about watches and can talk for hours, not just following the hype train.
I have to say the whole heritage, holy trinity, horology art talk when it comes to wrist watches makes me physically cringe but still your videos are very good and you deserve more subscribers. Usually reviewers don't mention the lack of hacking, quick date settings etc because it supposedly "doesn't matter"when the watch costs so much.
"I have to say the whole heritage, holy trinity, horology art talk when it comes to wrist watches makes me physically cringe" - finally someone said it. Just marketing hype IMO.
I own both and find myself wearing the over seas more.... part of it is that I am beyond enamored by the movement and the legendary Geneva seal on both the case and the movement.
Hi Hafiz. Great Video and a great comparison I got my VC yesterday, and I must say, the blue Dial by Daylight looks stunning. And also the removable and adjustment Bracelet is a great advantage for the VC. Sorry for my bad englisch and greetings from Germany.
Excellent video! Do GP Laureato vs VC Overseas next please. Your last sentence suggests that you might recommend the Laureato in that comparison, so curious to see upon a close inspection. Between these two, I agree the Royal Oak seems the better choice in a vacuum unless you want to have strap choices in your watches. I think the VC Overseas makes a better “one watch” collection with its better water resistance and strap changes.
The blue Overseas wins for me, any day. Why? It's simply more beautiful visually. The blue dial is absolutely stunning, and certainly more striking than the AP, especially in different lighting conditions, going from a navy blue to electric turquoise blue. I find the shape more interesting, too, especially the bezel. Your two complaints about the VC (non-hacking seconds and gradual date change) seem insignificant. First, hacking on a mechanical watch is way over-rated. The best mechanicals in the world lose/gain a second or two a day, so hacking precision is lost virtually immediately. The function of a date change is way, way down on my list of important features. It's virtually all about looks, fit and finish, and the VC is superior, IMHO. Great review and debate! Love the videos.
Excellent comment. I can relate 100% as I have the exact same combination RO VC and Tudor 😁. Overseas is simply a better day to day watch with all the arguments you mentioned. And I have to say also runs more exact. But that might vary from watch to watch. I love the RO but the scratches there are a real problem.
To all my viewers, thank you for watching and support to my channel, my work, and my love for horology. If you like the content I produce and wish to support me, please join me in my Patreon platform to help me continue to produce the content. I spend a lot of time and effort in what I am producing, and I would really appreciate your support. I will in return share the details with you that are beyond what's covered on my vids, and provide you responses and advice on your queries. Support to Channel: Patreon: www.patreon.com/HafizJMehmood Instagram: instagram.com/horolojust/ Facebook: facebook.com/HafizJMehmood Please do check out my other videos: My Channel: ua-cam.com/channels/nkBUPz6L8oXQ2CGaZp9cbQ.html Hi all, Let me know what is your choice between these two, and for what reasons? My only advice is that you should pick what ticks more boxes for you for aesthetics, looks, vibe, experience, function - and eventually brings you the smile. One watch half the price than the other should not drive your decision, but if it does, I have a special message towards the end of this video, which may open up a new discussion :)
Nice video hafiz. to answer your question, of course, for me, I choose VC overseas. unless you choose 15202, then in my opinion the best choice is any type of VC overseas, because by choosing VCO you seem to have a collection of several different watches but with the same root, whereas with AP Royal Oak, you will always feel that you use AP Royal Oak but are easily bored because your heart knows this is not 15202. actually it's difficult to explain, but i hope you will understand what i mean. Keep up the good work mate. (please check my instagram: kronotaim_gallery)
Nice video hafiz. to answer your question, of course, for me, I choose VC overseas. unless you choose 15202, then in my opinion the best choice is any type of VC overseas, because by choosing VCO you seem to have a collection of several different watches but with the same root, whereas with AP Royal Oak, you will always feel that you use AP Royal Oak but are easily bored because your heart knows this is not 15202. actually it's difficult to explain, but i hope you will understand what i mean. Keep up the good work mate. (please check my instagram: kronotaim_gallery)
Big props for such a good comparison video! Reminded me of this one done by WatchBox Studios: ua-cam.com/video/foE5elIuFtk/v-deo.html I was also pulling my hair out between these 2 at one point, it was a really tough choice. I love the VC movement and bracelet, and the fact that it comes with rubber and leather strap which is interchangeable with the steel bracelet was really good value in my opinion - you basically get "3 watches" for the price of 1. It was really nitpicking at the smallest things between these 2, but the fact that VCO doesn't have hacking seconds, and that date window not being in the same color just took a little bit of shine away from it being the "perfect" watch. I eventually still went for the RO 15400, mainly because RO is just a much more iconic and timeless design. The vain part of me also feels that the RO simply has more "street cred" and immediate recognition even from people who may not know that much about watches :) VCO ticks the box for more features, but RO ticks the most important box - it spoke to my heart.
The VCO black was my choice hands down. I liked everything about it more than an RO and the fact that it was discounted below msrp made it a no brainer as well.
you are genius. Now I finally understand why overseas made date window like it. Great insight and respect. I was also wondering but couldn't find why until I read ur reply
Cheers Hafiz! Stunning clip as usual. Great mention of the GP as well. Now, about these two... The edge goes to AP as its the original Genta creation and it's just so iconic for the Swiss industry. I'm more of a fan of VC overall, but not here in this comparison. The AP's crystal, hacking, that dial and bracelet... wow. Stay healthy my friend!
I absolutely LOVE your review of these watches! Great details mentioned, and you give precise information about all the small details that matter. Great video! Absolutely wonderful! Thank you!
The overseas perpetual is just incredible. The steel and white gold with blue face and the rose gold with blue face are just my grails. The white face isn't to shabby either.
Fantastic review and very hard choice indeed. I have to say on your wrist, at the end of the video the VC looked better than the RO. Don't get me wrong, the RO looked good but the VC was more special and looked awesome. Keep up the good work
I went with the blue dial VC, no question. As nice as the Royal Oak is, the location of the date kills it for me. Having the date window not located on the outside of the dial instantly tells me the size of the movement is not sufficient to 'fill' the case. In other words, the movement was not made for that case size but it was used anyway. At this level, I'm not a big fan of cutting corners like this.
I always look forward to Hafiz videos and never disappoints. He has great taste watches and wish I can ask few Q/A since I am not familiar with AP/Patek models. He is underrated compare others youtubers.
Looks wise i like the VC more (not a Genta fan and dont understand the hype having designed one/and maybe two good designs while having "meh" with the rest ) . In the sport watch segment robust movement is a must . Both AP and VC with their earlier iterations were delicate and would see serving often (not sure about APs new movement and VCs third gen though) . The no hacking of the VC is not a problem as most people really dont really adjust to the second .......... especially that they lose seconds per day/week anyway ( there is also a hack with the no hacking but VC said by doing this hack will not harm the movement , but best to leave it as is). AP looks like it has better finishing than the VC (but i think this is more because of the natural design of the watch ), and i agree with the more uniformed brushing in the AP. The water resistance is also a must and at least having 100m which also reflects on long term water resistance . In all i have future plans with the VC but its movement durability (including the AP, and PP Nautilus ) makes me hesitate. In the end of the day with the price of these watches they personally have to be almost perfect with all aspects of a sport watch. Great vid and insight.
Great video as always sir 👍I prefer the VC, but this was the choice that I made first. Would like a RO for the collection and sure shall pick one up. I prefer the brushing on the VC. I saw your Overseas video before I got my Overseas and after that video I could not unsee the big white date window so went for the dual time with the date dial instead!
I think you went with the best choice. Dual time absolutely kills it. No ugly date and yet you get the stunning lacquered dial. 👌 Congrats on stunning acquisition.
First of all thank you for another outstanding video! For me personally the AP Royal Oak ticks more boxes, mostly because of its iconic look and the high-end bracelet. Be safe and please continue to provide us with more of your excellent content!
Great review with some very valid points. I forgive everything but not that horrendous VC date font. I would appreciate a similar video comparing Rolex to Zenith to shutter the illusion that Rolex is "the best" of the mid tier watches.
Another awesome video, Hafiz, thank you. Started out saying VC Overseas all the way, but now I'm not so sure. Can't afford either one, but it's nice to dream, yes? Thanks again for the effort you put in.
I think the interchangeable straps for the VC takes the edge, in terms of versatility. If you want just one watch, that can fit many occasions, being able to change between rubber, leather and steel can make you go from informal to formal
Yeah, I can’t believe that Overseas has no hacking, I mean really, VC can’t accomplish this simple feature? Or they don’t care? I understand, that’s more of a jewelry nowadays rather than an actual tool but at that level, man...
My wife wears a Special Edition (118) AP Royal Oak Offshore Diver in Tangerine, White Gold and Stainless Steel, and I wear a Limited Edition (255) AP Royal Oak Offshore QEII Cup in Forged Carbon and Rose Gold and we love them both so much ....
Fantastic detailed review! Really a pity about no ar coating on the overseas and you’re right about certain disappointments on the watch for the price point.
Hafiz, love the production values of your content, how did you not notice that the VC has curved links and the AP does not? Given this vital technical difference, VC has done a far better job than AP.
Haha, I was going to say VC as it not even close 👍 Both great watches. I have the dual time gen3 Overseas and love it. I did look at the RO, but didn't think it looked as good or felt as good. All subjective though and two great sports watches. RO is still on radar and plan to pick up this year the RO and Odysseus. To me that is the ultimate sports watch collection :)
@@davidyule1973 Having had many AP watches and never owned VACHERON. I cannot really see which is better I have a vacheron oversees CHRONO on order. But I can tell you what you get for the money with the AC HERON it will be a P it’s not a scratch magnet as though AP is. It might not have the bracelet but has a more beautiful blue color. When you put them side-by-side it holds its own. I’ve had every AP watch theircis pretty much. I’ve had found that AP watches a very sensitive and need a lot of work. They also scratch like it would not believe. Clear winner the AC HERON. If not that it is a much better value in that overhyped in price like Nautilus and AP watches
Another great video. Have you thought about doing videos on other brands such as IWC, Ulysse Nardin, etc? In my collection, I have the IWC Portuguese 7 day automatic and also a UN limited edition dual time gmt. Both are really beautiful watches. Also, as mentioned in a previous video, would love to see a comparison between the DJ41 and AP Royal Oak.
Underdog thanks so much for the feedback. I’ll definitely be getting into IWC very soon. UN are a tad harder Watches to comeby but I sure will try to find one for the review :) DJ41 vs Royal Oak - I thought about it but given the huge price difference, I couldn’t quite decide if it’s a viable comparison. Maybe I can do skydweller vs Royal Oak?
Hafiz J Mehmood granted there is a huge price difference, I wonder if such a huge price difference is justified (I know, call me crazy). Yeah, UN is not very common and some of the designs are out there, but I have the limited edition dual time GMT with the blue dial. Really an underrated watch that gets a lot of attention with my watch buddies.
From all I know from the watches I have reviewed, AP are very well worth the price difference for sure. I did show some of this in my Sub vs Royal Oak video. In a nut shell, Rolex are very basic watches in terms of finish and overall feel, and AP are another level in terms of craftsmanship. Do check this video pls. It’s a bit old and my lighting and gear wasn’t as good as its now but it does the job I hope :) ua-cam.com/video/FW9BOuUvvlE/v-deo.html
I have a overseas DT & I want to say that the overseas looks way better than a RO or a Nautilus on the wrist . The rubber band and the easy-swap system is the greatest thing in recent sport watch history. Besides, the overseas is water proof & anti-magnetic. A far more versatile watch designed for all-around use. If I have the chance of buying a RO at retail, I'll certainly go for it, flip it for an extra $10k cash so I can put into my VCO like I'm getting a 50% off. Sweet!
To correct a couple of things, the overseas does not cost half the price of a Royal Oak. Their retail price points are actually very similar. At the moment, there is a craze for certain steel luxury watches and their resale price can be ridiculous. AP is been milking the Royal Oak long time. It is 80% of their watch production. I can’t say that I blame them. Those of us who have been collecting for a long time see there are an unlimited number of limited editions of the Royal Oak. It’s almost like Rolex and red print on the dial. Write submariner in Red and the watch triples in value to collectors. I disagree with the idea that the overseas is delicate. It is shock resistant, highly water resistant and highly anti-magnetic and built in the steel case. It is truly a sports watch. The Nautilis, which is a watch that I dislike aesthetically even when you could purchase them for 20% below retail, is a sports watch. The Royal Oak is a sporty watch. Where do you want to beat the hell out of one of these Trinity watchers at their price point is of course a totally different discussion. I know somebody who has a PP perpetual calendar chronograph that he wears in the pool. Even I think that’s nuts. But I have no problem going in the pool shower or ocean with the VC. It’s built for that.
The Vacheron is more versatile than the RO, but the RO is the better finished watch with the better design pedigree. As the RO Blue dial is unobtainable at retail, the question is, is the RO superior enough to the VC to be worth spending twice the amount?
Great video and content as always Hafiz! Many thanks! Both watches are great and the AP has more history behind it. Yet it is hard to find from an AD and it looks more industrial and somewhat dated. The VC looks more of a gentleman’s watch as it is more refined especially in relation to the bracelet. I have not tried either on my wrist and my views might change but I think the VC does it more for me.
VC is a beautiful watch indeed. It’s a bit more subtle too due to soft and rounded corners. Royal Oak has sharp and bold profiles. It’s gritty and agressive in overall profiles and looks. Pls do try them on both before you proceed with any. Watches on the wrist many times look differently than they do on the screen or table.
Regarding the VC Overseas: A missing stop-second and a crawling date is an absolute no-go for a watch with the "Poinçon de Genève" and a price of almost 20,000 euros. Regarding the AP Royal Oak: The 15202 as a sports watch is not water resistant over 50 meters. In 2020 it should be technically possible to resolve such a weak spot. By the way: Never understood why the 15300, 15400 and 15500 were released by AP when there is still the sensational 15202. In principle, these are all 15202s with larger case sizes, worse proportions and boring movements. Instead they should produce more 15202. Just my 2 cents.
Oliver Wiegand my royal Oak perpetual was only 30 m. Historically, the 39 mm watch was called the jumbo because it was extremely large for the time. The perpetual is the same size as the jumbo and it’s perfect for my wrist but it is considered somewhat small by today’s standards. Furthermore the 2120 movement is really more of a dress watch movement and less of a sports movement. The jumbo is sporty looking but not a sports watch. I absolutely love the jumbo. If they weren’t so ridiculously overpriced at the moment I would be wearing one but I refuse to pay that kind of premium.
My AP RO perpetual didn’t have a second hand at all. Never bothered me. I would like a hacking second but not a deal breaker. The quickest date is nice but really ultimately useless. Do you sit around at midnight looking for a date change? There is no perfect watch. Believe me I’ve tried for decades.
The date switches quick enough not to be a problem at all. And, far more important than stop second is a precise movement. My Overseas is very precise so that is all I worry about. Regarding AP that is the reason why they produce two models. 15202 is more for purists, almost a dress watch actually and the 15500 is the sportier version with a more robust movement, bigger size. The movement of the 15500 is far from boring. On the contrary, it’s a superb and modern movement
Girard-Perregaux Laureato... launched in 1975. 1 year before the Nautilus. 2 years before the 222. Beautiful watch. I am a fan of AP as well. But I also have fallen in love with the Laureato.
Wonderful expose as usual, both wonderful pieces, 1 on 1 R.O.vs. Overseas , they both have equal positives, size & cost , mech./ bracelet, wrist fit, it comes down to the buyer preference . P.S. Tx.
You’ve given me a renewed appreciation for the magnificent Royal Oak and have me questioning the price difference between the Oversees and the Datejust.
2 years late but the VC is leagues above a DJ. The Geneva seal the 4500V has should tell you all you need to know. The finishing is on another level to Rolex.
It's just coincidence - the original "maltese cross" design inspiration came from a watch part that holds tension in the mainspring. See here: www.watchprosite.com/vacheron-constantin/two-examples-of-maltese-crosses-that-have-no-religious-significance/14.268475.1747899/
Man, this is another epic video - the quality is amazing, and your commentary is very insightful and fact-based. Loved it. I totally agree with your final choice and as I own both AP 15202 and Vacheron Overseas Chrono (2 gen), I think of AP as a much higher end product, but VC is probably the best bang for your buck for an everyday luxury watch expirience.
PS: when you say "Audemars Piguet", the "s" in Audemars and "t" in Piguet are both silent:) Small thing but as I lived in Switzerland for some 6 years, I grew to hear them pronounced correctly and it hurts my ears when folks get to say them incorrectly. Here is a good guide: ua-cam.com/video/oRNcARMl7YI/v-deo.html
I agree that overseas is overall a good bang for the buck. They’re still going for under retail so you simply can’t go wrong with them. You’re right, I didn’t realise you don’t say “s” in Audemars 😅 Thanks again for the feedback 👍
Oh good detail comparison. Already have the RO. Saving for either Offshore or Overseas. No hacking in Overseas is shocking. Should I stick to AP. Though the Ocerseas versatility is appealing.
@@HafizJMehmood Yes, in person it is stunning! Only part of it I dislike is the case back. It's nothing special to look at. Held me back from purchasing for a while. What do you think of Bell&Ross' BR05 timepieces?
Awesome comparison. I do think that both watches have their positives and negatives, or at least in my eye. I do prefer the Royal Oak more than the Overseas overall, but I don't like the bling and shine of the Royal Oak bracelet and case. I don't know why, but VC does little to nothing, and that movement with the stop-seconds, and slow date movement is just unacceptable in my opinion.
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I have owned multiple Royal Oaks including the chronograph and the perpetual calendar which was my daily wear for years. I have nothing negative to say regarding the Royal Oak. A few observations though: The finish on the Royal Oak is so exacting it is an absolute scratch magnet. On a Rolex, scratches give it character. On a Royal Oak it gives pain. The bezel dings fairly easily and the bracelet is a scratch magnet. Refinishing is a nerve-racking process. One can only refinish the bezel a few times before it loses the continuity.
I have worn my 4500 V now for two years. I frequently wear it off the bracelet and on the rubber. I have the blue rubber as well as the black and the brown, as well as the blue crocodile strap. The ability to switch makes this a potentially single watch collection for all occasions. The water resistance and antimagnetic characters of the VC are far superior than the Royal Oak. The VC water resistance exceeds the Rolex standard oyster perpetual.
For me, the choice is easy. The VC overseas is a much better day today watch which has the ability to be used as a sports watch. I know, because that’s the way I use it. There are circumstances in which I don’t feel like potentially beating up my $20,000 watch and for that I have a tutor Pelagos in titanium. But the VC overseas almost never comes off my wrist. It does not seem to stop from the same scratch magnet issues that I had with my Royal Oaks. Furthermore, because I can place it on the rubber, and frequently do, and even further helps to preserve the fine finish of the bracelet. I have spent silly amounts of money on watches over my lifetime. Through that, I am drawn certain conclusions to work for me. I don’t need an excess of complications (and I have tried almost all of them) I want a high horology watch on a bracelet (live in a humid climate) that I can wear every day. AP is a sporty watch. The Overseas is a sports watch that you can easily wear on elegant rubber or alligator. And looks like it belongs there in any variation.
Aesthetic’s are debatable and while I very much like the Royal Oak, the VC has a less aggressive posture and I believe is more flexible for multiple uses.
The clear winner for me is the overseas. Ymmv
Great comment. I aspire to add a 4500 to my 15400 for the very reasons you make
Totally agree..
Awesome comment, I enjoyed the read.
@@jcass5814 gracias😀
Great and clear comment .. well done
It's weird that the Overseas does not that look fabulously good when it's alone, but when you put it together with some hottest pieces out there, it never lose.
My pick would be VC, no question.
I’d disagree kindly. I don’t think anything looks as refined or subtle as the octagonal case.
@@Lavi-Aemilia-Astori Yh true
I bought the VC and glad that I did
The VC looks better thats a fact, and personally looks better made sorry guys but thats the truth
The Vacheron Overseas IMO is much more appealing. The Maltese Cross tied to the dial, bezel, band and clasp are fantastic. The esthetic simplicity of this watch is very attractive. The versatility of being able to change bands instantly expands the watch wear-ability. One last point, the price of the Vacheron is approximately 1/2 of the AP yet we are comparing them as equals. So what would justify this crazy price differential? Nothing....quality, beauty, versatility and a better price point make the VC a winner all day.
Nobody else talks about the date change. Outstanding feature of your reviews along with the macros
At current market prices, VC Overseas wins all day. However, it’s definitely not half the price of a 41mm Royal Oak. Current market price for blue dial Overseas is USD 18-19k on average. It’s still great value compared to the hyped up Nautilus, Aquanaut and Royal Oak
I like the VC overseas for my right wrist, and the AP for my left
I personally never seen anybody wear an overseas. I consider the AP the rich man’s watch, but there is a lot of people (not everyone) who wear AP that can’t have a conversation about watches they just buy it for the hype, whereas if I see somebody wearing A VC he is probably the most interesting guy in the room and he knows a thing or two about watches and can talk for hours, not just following the hype train.
I like how you expose hidden weaknesses of these watches no one dare look down up on. good information for those in the market.
I have to say the whole heritage, holy trinity, horology art talk when it comes to wrist watches makes me physically cringe but still your videos are very good and you deserve more subscribers. Usually reviewers don't mention the lack of hacking, quick date settings etc because it supposedly "doesn't matter"when the watch costs so much.
"I have to say the whole heritage, holy trinity, horology art talk when it comes to wrist watches makes me physically cringe" - finally someone said it. Just marketing hype IMO.
Having owned multiple versions of each over the years, VC is still on top. The fact that it doesn’t scratch by merely looking at it helps 👀
I own both and find myself wearing the over seas more.... part of it is that I am beyond enamored by the movement and the legendary Geneva seal on both the case and the movement.
Hi Hafiz. Great Video and a great comparison I got my VC yesterday, and I must say, the blue Dial by Daylight looks stunning. And also the removable and adjustment Bracelet is a great advantage for the VC. Sorry for my bad englisch and greetings from Germany.
Excellent video! Do GP Laureato vs VC Overseas next please. Your last sentence suggests that you might recommend the Laureato in that comparison, so curious to see upon a close inspection.
Between these two, I agree the Royal Oak seems the better choice in a vacuum unless you want to have strap choices in your watches. I think the VC Overseas makes a better “one watch” collection with its better water resistance and strap changes.
Absolutely stunning video, made from a true fan. I couldn't look away, those are some gorgeous shots. Thank you VERY much for this content!
Thanks so much for your kind comment. I’m humbled :)
The blue Overseas wins for me, any day. Why? It's simply more beautiful visually. The blue dial is absolutely stunning, and certainly more striking than the AP, especially in different lighting conditions, going from a navy blue to electric turquoise blue. I find the shape more interesting, too, especially the bezel. Your two complaints about the VC (non-hacking seconds and gradual date change) seem insignificant. First, hacking on a mechanical watch is way over-rated. The best mechanicals in the world lose/gain a second or two a day, so hacking precision is lost virtually immediately. The function of a date change is way, way down on my list of important features. It's virtually all about looks, fit and finish, and the VC is superior, IMHO. Great review and debate! Love the videos.
Excellent comment. I can relate 100% as I have the exact same combination RO VC and Tudor 😁. Overseas is simply a better day to day watch with all the arguments you mentioned. And I have to say also runs more exact. But that might vary from watch to watch. I love the RO but the scratches there are a real problem.
If I may ask, how is the VC 4500 when it comes to scratches? Is it a scratch magnet?
Thanks.
@@secretariat783 it’s actually a lot less a problem than a Royal Oak. And I polish myself the bezel with Cape Cod and It looks great after 2 years
@@jb6587 Thanks for your reply.Really appreciate it.
The lack of AR on the crystal is my biggest grip on the VC. When your finishing is that good why not show it off
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Hi all, Let me know what is your choice between these two, and for what reasons?
My only advice is that you should pick what ticks more boxes for you for aesthetics, looks, vibe, experience, function - and eventually brings you the smile. One watch half the price than the other should not drive your decision, but if it does, I have a special message towards the end of this video, which may open up a new discussion :)
Nice video hafiz.
to answer your question, of course, for me, I choose VC overseas.
unless you choose 15202, then in my opinion the best choice is any type of VC overseas, because by choosing VCO you seem to have a collection of several different watches but with the same root, whereas with AP Royal Oak, you will always feel that you use AP Royal Oak but are easily bored because your heart knows this is not 15202. actually it's difficult to explain, but i hope you will understand what i mean.
Keep up the good work mate.
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Nice video hafiz.
to answer your question, of course, for me, I choose VC overseas.
unless you choose 15202, then in my opinion the best choice is any type of VC overseas, because by choosing VCO you seem to have a collection of several different watches but with the same root, whereas with AP Royal Oak, you will always feel that you use AP Royal Oak but are easily bored because your heart knows this is not 15202. actually it's difficult to explain, but i hope you will understand what i mean.
Keep up the good work mate.
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Big props for such a good comparison video! Reminded me of this one done by WatchBox Studios: ua-cam.com/video/foE5elIuFtk/v-deo.html
I was also pulling my hair out between these 2 at one point, it was a really tough choice. I love the VC movement and bracelet, and the fact that it comes with rubber and leather strap which is interchangeable with the steel bracelet was really good value in my opinion - you basically get "3 watches" for the price of 1.
It was really nitpicking at the smallest things between these 2, but the fact that VCO doesn't have hacking seconds, and that date window not being in the same color just took a little bit of shine away from it being the "perfect" watch.
I eventually still went for the RO 15400, mainly because RO is just a much more iconic and timeless design. The vain part of me also feels that the RO simply has more "street cred" and immediate recognition even from people who may not know that much about watches :) VCO ticks the box for more features, but RO ticks the most important box - it spoke to my heart.
Hi!!!! Not so easy choice, but i will go with the .... the....the.... A...V....A.........VC overseas, there! I said it !! 🤣
VC for changing straps and you should have commented about that
I feel I never saw Royal Oak like this ever before...just love your presentation 😍.
Thanks so much :)
The VCO black was my choice hands down. I liked everything about it more than an RO and the fact that it was discounted below msrp made it a no brainer as well.
The VC is stunning af! My pick of the two
Beautiful filming and excellent production - thanks for taking the time!!
The VC date window is meant to balance the 9 o'clock marker and blend in with symmetry at a glance yet be there should you choose to look closer.
you are genius. Now I finally understand why overseas made date window like it. Great insight and respect. I was also wondering but couldn't find why until I read ur reply
I prefer the Overseas' date window. In comparison, the Royal Oak's appears unfinished, in my opinion.
Interesting comparison. Keep up the good work. Regards.
Always look forward to your posts. Some of the very best, most intelligent watch content on UA-cam!
William Candrick the pleasure is all mine. Thanks so much 🙏
You always do great videos. Neither of these watches speak to me at all. The more you teach and show, the more certain I am. Keep up the good work!
Cheers Hafiz!
Stunning clip as usual.
Great mention of the GP as well.
Now, about these two...
The edge goes to AP as its the original
Genta creation and it's just so iconic
for the Swiss industry.
I'm more of a fan of VC overall,
but not here in this comparison.
The AP's crystal, hacking, that
dial and bracelet... wow.
Stay healthy my friend!
I absolutely LOVE your review of these watches! Great details mentioned, and you give precise information about all the small details that matter. Great video! Absolutely wonderful! Thank you!
The overseas perpetual is just incredible. The steel and white gold with blue face and the rose gold with blue face are just my grails. The white face isn't to shabby either.
Great review, well done! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Love your video. Great filming, subscribed!
Thanks so much :)
Fantastic review and very hard choice indeed. I have to say on your wrist, at the end of the video the VC looked better than the RO. Don't get me wrong, the RO looked good but the VC was more special and looked awesome. Keep up the good work
I went with the blue dial VC, no question.
As nice as the Royal Oak is, the location of the date kills it for me. Having the date window not located on the outside of the dial instantly tells me the size of the movement is not sufficient to 'fill' the case. In other words, the movement was not made for that case size but it was used anyway. At this level, I'm not a big fan of cutting corners like this.
Nice comparison video... waiting for your 15500 vs overseas comperison.
I always look forward to Hafiz videos and never disappoints. He has great taste watches and wish I can ask few Q/A since I am not familiar with AP/Patek models. He is underrated compare others youtubers.
DJ thanks so much for your kind comments. Will get there someday 🙂
Please appreciate the seconds hand syncing at 3:19
Thanks so much for noticing 😃
This one was a bit harder one since overseas doesn’t hack the seconds hand so had to work around Royal Oak 😅
Even with poor date window design, date change mechanism and no hacking movement I still prefer VC Overseas over AP RO.
Ultimately, it's about whether a watch "sings" to you. Amen to that!!
Looks wise i like the VC more (not a Genta fan and dont understand the hype having designed one/and maybe two good designs while having "meh" with the rest ) . In the sport watch segment robust movement is a must . Both AP and VC with their earlier iterations were delicate and would see serving often (not sure about APs new movement and VCs third gen though) . The no hacking of the VC is not a problem as most people really dont really adjust to the second .......... especially that they lose seconds per day/week anyway ( there is also a hack with the no hacking but VC said by doing this hack will not harm the movement , but best to leave it as is). AP looks like it has better finishing than the VC (but i think this is more because of the natural design of the watch ), and i agree with the more uniformed brushing in the AP. The water resistance is also a must and at least having 100m which also reflects on long term water resistance . In all i have future plans with the VC but its movement durability (including the AP, and PP Nautilus ) makes me hesitate. In the end of the day with the price of these watches they personally have to be almost perfect with all aspects of a sport watch. Great vid and insight.
The vc is so understated. It’s one rapper or influencer away from being more mainstream like AP and Patek
The more I wear the VC the more I like it. It’s beautiful! I never use it for time tho. I always look at my phone…
Great video as always sir 👍I prefer the VC, but this was the choice that I made first. Would like a RO for the collection and sure shall pick one up. I prefer the brushing on the VC. I saw your Overseas video before I got my Overseas and after that video I could not unsee the big white date window so went for the dual time with the date dial instead!
I think you went with the best choice. Dual time absolutely kills it. No ugly date and yet you get the stunning lacquered dial. 👌
Congrats on stunning acquisition.
First of all thank you for another outstanding video! For me personally the AP Royal Oak ticks more boxes, mostly because of its iconic look and the high-end bracelet. Be safe and please continue to provide us with more of your excellent content!
Thanks so much my friend. Royal Oak are amazing pieces. Call me crazy, but I simply can’t seem to fall for anything else now. 🤯
Excellent video my brother..very keen
Thanks for this very informative video - especially the detailed on-the-wrist comparison.
AMazing vid Hafiz! Two steel stunners
Great review with some very valid points. I forgive everything but not that horrendous VC date font. I would appreciate a similar video comparing Rolex to Zenith to shutter the illusion that Rolex is "the best" of the mid tier watches.
Perfect comparison and review.
Another awesome video, Hafiz, thank you. Started out saying VC Overseas all the way, but now I'm not so sure. Can't afford either one, but it's nice to dream, yes? Thanks again for the effort you put in.
I think the interchangeable straps for the VC takes the edge, in terms of versatility.
If you want just one watch, that can fit many occasions, being able to change between rubber, leather and steel can make you go from informal to formal
Incredible video as always, informative and honest, with best close-ups. Keep the great work!
Thanks so much :)
Yeah the VC no hacking and the window is annoying... at that price range.
Only good thing is the changeable bands.
Yeah, I can’t believe that Overseas has no hacking, I mean really, VC can’t accomplish this simple feature? Or they don’t care? I understand, that’s more of a jewelry nowadays rather than an actual tool but at that level, man...
My wife wears a Special Edition (118) AP Royal Oak Offshore Diver in Tangerine, White Gold and Stainless Steel, and I wear a Limited Edition (255) AP Royal Oak Offshore QEII Cup in Forged Carbon and Rose Gold and we love them both so much ....
Fantastic detailed review! Really a pity about no ar coating on the overseas and you’re right about certain disappointments on the watch for the price point.
Hafiz, love the production values of your content, how did you not notice that the VC has curved links and the AP does not? Given this vital technical difference, VC has done a far better job than AP.
Great video as always Hafiz. So hard to pick between these two, but I think the royal oak wins for me. Ramadan Mubarak!
ShizAudi thanks so much. Ramadan Mubarak to you too my friend :)
AP and it's not even close. (I have handled both and own a 15500ST). Keep up the good work Hafiz
Haha, I was going to say VC as it not even close 👍 Both great watches. I have the dual time gen3 Overseas and love it. I did look at the RO, but didn't think it looked as good or felt as good. All subjective though and two great sports watches. RO is still on radar and plan to pick up this year the RO and Odysseus. To me that is the ultimate sports watch collection :)
@@davidyule1973 Having had many AP watches and never owned VACHERON. I cannot really see which is better I have a vacheron oversees CHRONO on order. But I can tell you what you get for the money with the AC HERON it will be a P it’s not a scratch magnet as though AP is. It might not have the bracelet but has a more beautiful blue color. When you put them side-by-side it holds its own. I’ve had every AP watch theircis pretty much. I’ve had found that AP watches a very sensitive and need a lot of work. They also scratch like it would not believe. Clear winner the AC HERON. If not that it is a much better value in that overhyped in price like Nautilus and AP watches
Top quality vdo! Really enjoyed it. Love your content. My choice would be the AP!
Having owned both (white RO and blue OS) there is something off in the OS that in the end I had to flip it. May be gen 4 can fix some of these issues
Good video, subscribed! 👍
AP is always my choice, the best bracelet in the watches industry.
100%. There’s simply nothing better in bracelet than Royal Oak.
Really appreciate your videos !
Another great video. Have you thought about doing videos on other brands such as IWC, Ulysse Nardin, etc? In my collection, I have the IWC Portuguese 7 day automatic and also a UN limited edition dual time gmt. Both are really beautiful watches. Also, as mentioned in a previous video, would love to see a comparison between the DJ41 and AP Royal Oak.
Underdog thanks so much for the feedback. I’ll definitely be getting into IWC very soon. UN are a tad harder Watches to comeby but I sure will try to find one for the review :)
DJ41 vs Royal Oak - I thought about it but given the huge price difference, I couldn’t quite decide if it’s a viable comparison. Maybe I can do skydweller vs Royal Oak?
Hafiz J Mehmood granted there is a huge price difference, I wonder if such a huge price difference is justified (I know, call me crazy). Yeah, UN is not very common and some of the designs are out there, but I have the limited edition dual time GMT with the blue dial. Really an underrated watch that gets a lot of attention with my watch buddies.
From all I know from the watches I have reviewed, AP are very well worth the price difference for sure.
I did show some of this in my Sub vs Royal Oak video.
In a nut shell, Rolex are very basic watches in terms of finish and overall feel, and AP are another level in terms of craftsmanship. Do check this video pls. It’s a bit old and my lighting and gear wasn’t as good as its now but it does the job I hope :)
ua-cam.com/video/FW9BOuUvvlE/v-deo.html
Royal Oak is gorgeous watch, but money wise and aesthetics of Overseas are on the way higher level. Definitely VC Overseas is the choice
I like the 15400 more than the 15500, personally. Another wonderful video, Hafiz!
Bradford Bertoli so do I. 15500 does nothing for me. Many thanks for watching and the feedback 🙏
awesome review, two thumbs up!
I have a overseas DT & I want to say that the overseas looks way better than a RO or a Nautilus on the wrist . The rubber band and the easy-swap system is the greatest thing in recent sport watch history.
Besides, the overseas is water proof & anti-magnetic. A far more versatile watch designed for all-around use.
If I have the chance of buying a RO at retail, I'll certainly go for it, flip it for an extra $10k cash so I can put into my VCO like I'm getting a 50% off. Sweet!
If I may ask, how is the VC 4500 when it comes to scratches? Is it a scratch magnet?
Thanks.
The best, most professional, expert review I have ever seen! And yes, date windo is a disgrace in a watch of this provenance.
Thanks so much for appreciation and the support. :)
Hi Hafiz. You should mention. The Warranty by VC is 8 years.
To correct a couple of things, the overseas does not cost half the price of a Royal Oak. Their retail price points are actually very similar. At the moment, there is a craze for certain steel luxury watches and their resale price can be ridiculous. AP is been milking the Royal Oak long time. It is 80% of their watch production. I can’t say that I blame them. Those of us who have been collecting for a long time see there are an unlimited number of limited editions of the Royal Oak. It’s almost like Rolex and red print on the dial. Write submariner in Red and the watch triples in value to collectors.
I disagree with the idea that the overseas is delicate. It is shock resistant, highly water resistant and highly anti-magnetic and built in the steel case. It is truly a sports watch. The Nautilis, which is a watch that I dislike aesthetically even when you could purchase them for 20% below retail, is a sports watch. The Royal Oak is a sporty watch. Where do you want to beat the hell out of one of these Trinity watchers at their price point is of course a totally different discussion. I know somebody who has a PP perpetual calendar chronograph that he wears in the pool. Even I think that’s nuts. But I have no problem going in the pool shower or ocean with the VC. It’s built for that.
Your videos are by far second to none, keep up the great work!
Many thanks for the support and the feedback. Makes me happy to hear this 😃
The Vacheron is more versatile than the RO, but the RO is the better finished watch with the better design pedigree. As the RO Blue dial is unobtainable at retail, the question is, is the RO superior enough to the VC to be worth spending twice the amount?
To me, yeah, ROs are special. The reason they’re close to two times price of VC, is because they do offer this much better experience. At least to me.
Great video and content as always Hafiz! Many thanks!
Both watches are great and the AP has more history behind it. Yet it is hard to find from an AD and it looks more industrial and somewhat dated. The VC looks more of a gentleman’s watch as it is more refined especially in relation to the bracelet.
I have not tried either on my wrist and my views might change but I think the VC does it more for me.
VC is a beautiful watch indeed. It’s a bit more subtle too due to soft and rounded corners. Royal Oak has sharp and bold profiles. It’s gritty and agressive in overall profiles and looks.
Pls do try them on both before you proceed with any. Watches on the wrist many times look differently than they do on the screen or table.
Beautifully done. Thanks for sharing. These are both stunning pieces to say the very least.
Great comparison. Good job.
Regarding the VC Overseas: A missing stop-second and a crawling date is an absolute no-go for a watch with the "Poinçon de Genève" and a price of almost 20,000 euros. Regarding the AP Royal Oak: The 15202 as a sports watch is not water resistant over 50 meters. In 2020 it should be technically possible to resolve such a weak spot. By the way: Never understood why the 15300, 15400 and 15500 were released by AP when there is still the sensational 15202. In principle, these are all 15202s with larger case sizes, worse proportions and boring movements. Instead they should produce more 15202. Just my 2 cents.
Oliver Wiegand my royal Oak perpetual was only 30 m. Historically, the 39 mm watch was called the jumbo because it was extremely large for the time. The perpetual is the same size as the jumbo and it’s perfect for my wrist but it is considered somewhat small by today’s standards. Furthermore the 2120 movement is really more of a dress watch movement and less of a sports movement. The jumbo is sporty looking but not a sports watch. I absolutely love the jumbo. If they weren’t so ridiculously overpriced at the moment I would be wearing one but I refuse to pay that kind of premium.
My AP RO perpetual didn’t have a second hand at all. Never bothered me. I would like a hacking second but not a deal breaker. The quickest date is nice but really ultimately useless. Do you sit around at midnight looking for a date change? There is no perfect watch. Believe me I’ve tried for decades.
The date switches quick enough not to be a problem at all. And, far more important than stop second is a precise movement. My Overseas is very precise so that is all I worry about. Regarding AP that is the reason why they produce two models. 15202 is more for purists, almost a dress watch actually and the 15500 is the sportier version with a more robust movement, bigger size. The movement of the 15500 is far from boring. On the contrary, it’s a superb and modern movement
Great video. Truly thankful for all the information.
My brain says VC but my heart says AP. Both lovely pieces. Thanks for sharing this well thought out review.
It’s a hard choice so I know what you mean. Cheers mate :)
Hafiz J Mehmood cheers 🍻
Girard-Perregaux Laureato... launched in 1975. 1 year before the Nautilus. 2 years before the 222.
Beautiful watch.
I am a fan of AP as well. But I also have fallen in love with the Laureato.
Definitely the vacheron 🤩🔥
The VC Overseas is on a different level. Imagine if they fashioned that piece out of iridium. That would be something. The cost would be eye watering.
AP is the winner for me, beautiful and elegant.
Wonderful expose as usual, both wonderful pieces, 1 on 1 R.O.vs. Overseas , they both have equal positives, size & cost , mech./ bracelet, wrist fit, it comes down to the buyer preference . P.S. Tx.
Hi I’m struggling between 41mm and 37mm overseas so badly and my wrist is around 16cm, maybe you can help me??
芮廷林 do check my comparison video between 41 vs 37mm royal oak 👍
You’ve given me a renewed appreciation for the magnificent Royal Oak and have me questioning the price difference between the Oversees and the Datejust.
2 years late but the VC is leagues above a DJ. The Geneva seal the 4500V has should tell you all you need to know. The finishing is on another level to Rolex.
Swiss Watch Box Australia, I guess you are in Perth Australia. Like your channel. Best watch presentation on Proportion and Aesthetic
Dear sir vc seems to have cross logo related to a certain religion. Your thoughts plz?
It's just coincidence - the original "maltese cross" design inspiration came from a watch part that holds tension in the mainspring. See here: www.watchprosite.com/vacheron-constantin/two-examples-of-maltese-crosses-that-have-no-religious-significance/14.268475.1747899/
Once again great video on great watches! 😎✌️
@Hafiz Do you know if VC will be coming out with a 25th anniversary edition next year? Thank you again! 😎
How much is the blue RO?
Is it obtainable?
Man, this is another epic video - the quality is amazing, and your commentary is very insightful and fact-based. Loved it. I totally agree with your final choice and as I own both AP 15202 and Vacheron Overseas Chrono (2 gen), I think of AP as a much higher end product, but VC is probably the best bang for your buck for an everyday luxury watch expirience.
PS: when you say "Audemars Piguet", the "s" in Audemars and "t" in Piguet are both silent:) Small thing but as I lived in Switzerland for some 6 years, I grew to hear them pronounced correctly and it hurts my ears when folks get to say them incorrectly. Here is a good guide: ua-cam.com/video/oRNcARMl7YI/v-deo.html
I agree that overseas is overall a good bang for the buck. They’re still going for under retail so you simply can’t go wrong with them.
You’re right, I didn’t realise you don’t say “s” in Audemars 😅
Thanks again for the feedback 👍
Oh .... And I nearly forgot .... An excellent presentation ....
Hafiz your analysis is spot on once again my friend bravo👏👏keep up the good work
Many thanks :)
VC intelligent watch, timeless
If I may ask, how is the VC 4500 when it comes to scratches? Is it a scratch magnet?
Thanks.
Beautiful watches, beautiful video
Oh good detail comparison. Already have the RO. Saving for either Offshore or Overseas. No hacking in Overseas is shocking. Should I stick to AP. Though the Ocerseas versatility is appealing.
Love the Audemars! But if you want the best blue on the market, I would recommend looking at the Chopard Alpine Eagle. That blue is STUNNING!
I do like their Eagle series. Haven’t been able to see one up close as yet but they’re so good for the price.
@@HafizJMehmood Yes, in person it is stunning! Only part of it I dislike is the case back. It's nothing special to look at.
Held me back from purchasing for a while. What do you think of Bell&Ross' BR05 timepieces?
Awesome comparison. I do think that both watches have their positives and negatives, or at least in my eye.
I do prefer the Royal Oak more than the Overseas overall, but I don't like the bling and shine of the Royal Oak bracelet and case.
I don't know why, but VC does little to nothing, and that movement with the stop-seconds, and slow date movement is just unacceptable in my opinion.
I’m probably the same. Found VC a bit underwhelming.
@@HafizJMehmood and they are asking too much for it as well. Did you hear that they are raising their prices 20% by middle of the year?
The blue VC overseas easily
How did you get one ? I asked no chance. I can get Rolex from AD but VC overseas is unobtainable unfortunately
2 top class watches.