IMPORTANT TLDR: I have no bias towards this grinder or these burrs. I prefer the timemore sculptor 078 to these. I prefer ssp MP to these. I prefer ZP6 to these. I prefer the new Pietro Pro Brewing to these. I was simply wanting to help make an accessible burr set that was solid. Will they blow your mind? Probably not. Should you buy them? Maybe if you're using stock burrs and want a cheap upgrade. Anyway, this is the first and last time you'll hear me discuss these burrs so there won't be any issue going forward. Let's be real- I am not compensated so no incentive ha! Just happy to have contributed to something many seem to enjoy. Was excited to share that. Let me know your thoughts below! Oh, and like and subscribe!
Michael Chong, that really isn’t a lot of fines. A pretty normal amount. You’ll always get some fines. You probably could align your burrs to produce less fines though.
Thank you Lance! I think you helped everyone in Specialty coffee by raising the bar for the burrs that became the "Gen 2" burrs! ZP6 vs Pietro Pro Brewing for a travel grinder?
That's next to nothing. Plus sifting is not a helpful measurement but let's assume it is. I sifted for my US brewers cup routine which placed second in my testing. A 15g dose of coffee on an ek43 gave me 2.2g of fines.
Travel? Zp6. Easier to hold and lighter. Better particle distribution? Pietro with the burrs I helped create lol. I am heavily biased here because I make royalties on Pietro sales BUT to be honest, it is big and heavy (1.5kg). Zp6 is lighter for travel. I prefer brews from Pietro and so have the 4 people I have blind brewed for.
I simply love that my two favorite coffee experts know each other and collaborate. Thank you Lance and James. Would love to see you two do a chat sometime. Our minds would be blown.
Two quick things 1.) the hopper lid sits well when it’s made properly. The first one I got was warped so it never sat flat and always wobbled. Their EXCELLENT customer service replaced it and I’m happy with it now. 2.) adding your face to the stories I’ve heard about the process of selecting #23 makes so much sense.
This is so awesome. Fellow is lucky to have you helping them and a shout out to Fellow wanting to make the best product for us coffee enthusiasts they possibly could.
Waiting for others to go first was a real stand up move. And stepping to improve a grinder at this price point is incredible stuff. It’s not raised the bar for everyone else.
First, thanks for all your shared sage knowledge. Watching your videos and the info that can't seem to bubble out fast enough, brings to mind the talking style of Marc Andreessen. (That's a huge compliment, he's almost otherworldly in his range and depth about everything.) My old Breville grinder died today and I binged reviews and videos. I only needed something simple for my French press, my espresso setup is in good health, so ordered this grinder today. Doesn't seem perfect but hope it will suffice without spending a larger chunk of change. Your stamp of approval made it a go. Thanks again.
For my 2 cents (worth likely less than that), I think these are exactly what they should be. My daily driver is a Lagom P100 with the stock SSP HU 98s; it was my preference overall for the kind of coffee I like to prepare, as blind tested against a friend's Weber and another friends Kafatek. Finding an electric brew grinder in that mid 300s price range that I could feel really good about recommending to friends and family who are not nearly as obsessed with coffee (i.e. not even entertaining the idea of dropping anything north of $400 on a grinder) was a lot harder before this came out. I got one right after they came out as a present for my brother in law, and had a chance to do a triangle test against my P100 for shiggles. Yes of course the P100 won every time. It was not night and day. The burrs in this really do produce an objectively enjoyable cup of coffee, and I think that's a real achievement at the price point. TL;DR, nicely done.
Lance, Thank you so much for your clarity and transparancy with this video. It goes to show your character and respect for this industry and other creators. Huge props
Wow. I’m a sub 100 like hitter! This was great Lance. Had no idea you were involved with the Gen2 until Daddy Hoff eluded. Nice to hear it from the horses mouth. Glad you de died to go about it the way you did. You are helping out the greater coffee community and remaining humble. Keep on keeping on brother. ...and nice pour!
Great collab with Nick, Lance. Nick is fantastic and definitely a humble guy. Love what Fellows does, and have really been enjoying the Gen 2's since they were made available to the kickstarter backers. Fantastic burr set!
Glad you were involved cause the Gen 2 burrs are probably my favorite filter burrs right now for an all around. Nick is such an awesome dude, I’ve had the privilege of chatting with him many times. Coffee people are so awesome!!! 🤘☕️😝
I’ve been wanting to upgrade from my Encore after 5 years, as I’m strictly a pour over person at home, and after hearing your review, along with James’ and others, I’m going to be pulling the trigger on the Gen 2 soon.
Lance, Hugo, this video made me love you guys even more. Beautifully shot, and the content and history and behind the scenes was such an exciting watch.
When I used my Gen 1, I would set the grind setting as low as 3 for the lighter roasts and still managing to get a 3 to 3.5 minute extraction in the Stag XF pour over set. I had to turn the grind setting all the way down to 1 if using the V60 in order to get a a great extraction. Now, with the Gen 2 with the upgraded SSP MP burrs I can get the same or similar extraction using the Stag XF but turned all the way up to the largest grind setting. This naturally opens up a huge array of possibilities for extractions with lighter roasts in the finer grind settings with the V60! I’ve been enjoying a ton of experimenting with different extractions, recipes and so on. The anti static feature is a game changer. This Gen 2 is very clean! Overall, I love the flexibility this new grinder is affording me!
I agree with you and Hoff-daddy on the price...if the Opus has a stronger motor and can grind finer, while being cheaper than the Ode, what could they do to bring those elements to the Ode and keep the price flat? What's really driving the up? As an engineer, props for the anti-static solution. I've seen that used in my line of work, on equipment worth millions, to ensure tiny plastic parts feed without sticking.
Hey Lance, great video. Whatever it’s worth: I upgraded from the gen1 ode to gen2 and at first the anti static tech was great. It helped a ton, the grind was really fluffy and …not charged with static. But after about 6-8 months of daily use (and no cleaning just using the knocker), the grounds are pretty staticky and messy again. I tore it all down and cleaned it out, and it worked pretty well (like new) again for a few weeks but now it’s back to getting clogged up again. The wires that are energized get absolutely caked with grinds and I guess needs to be cleaned regularly. Now as I type it out it seems so obvious lol.
I was so worried. I had ordered this grinder yesterday and I guess looking for a little reassurance 🙂 Peeww, I have it. There is no perfect grinder, its like camera gear there will always be something more that you want. But this ticked most of the boxes and for me, I just don't do espresso at home, I keep that as my treat going out coffee and I focus on brewing with drip and pour at home. Now I am even more excited than ever as I am replacing a 6 year old "very" entry level grinder.
I recently bought the Ode 2, coming from an 1ZPresso JX hand grinder (for V60 pourover) and I'm absolutely happy with the Ode 2. Extremely easy, very fast. I just set the dial to the setting in the very middle, coffee was very delicious on the first try, never touched the dial wheel since.
It’s so great. I’m exclusively pour over and moved from Encore I’ve had for 4 years. I only wish I’d bought this sooner. The user experience and flavor an unbelievable upgrade.
Got the Gen 2 last week. It's actually my first electric grinder. Before now I hand ground everything with a 1zpresso K-Plus. Which is great. However, I do a lot of cold brew for my lady and I throughout the week. An batch brewing on a hand grinder sucks. But so far it's been great. It's interesting to task the difference between a conical burr and a flat burr grinder. It's more of a generic coffee tast I suppose. But it's still a great cup. Just... different in it's own way. Loving it.
Thanks for an awesome review! A while ago I got two sets of gen1 burrs, and I tried two of the same burrs (the non interlocking side) and they tasted hollow. So I went back to standard Gen1. Then I bought Gen2 burrs. They are awesome.
Great video Lance, fascinating to hear insights into the design process for this grinder, and your role in the burr design. This review has honestly made me reconsider the Ode Gen 2 as a replacement for my multi-purpose Mini. Also - the quality of your videos just keeps improving, although I appreciate the way your natural personality still shines through, I need to ensure I'm not drinking coffee when I watch your videos, just in case I inadvertently spit it out over my keyboard when you make me laugh! 😁
Having owned the Fellow for a while, it would be great to see you do a video of how you would change the grind and brew method for different roasts of coffee (light through dark) and how the given changes impact the finished brew (using the Fellow). Love your vids 👌 thanks for the great info.
I posted my first comment before I finished the video, but thank you so much for waiting and for the transparency with your involvement on the bur development. I bought this grinder right when it came out because of other reviews, and knowing that you helped develop the burs just makes it feel even more special. I've really enjoyed this grinder, it's my first grinder and it's the one that got me into specialty coffee and I've been having a great time discovering light roast with it. As for the price, I think too much is being made of it, honestly. I think $50 is more than fair for the upgrade, especially considering inflation in the USA has caused, on average, increased consumer prices by 16%. 16% on $299 is $348, so it's basically a free upgrade if you buy it now, compared with the 2020 price of the Ode gen1
that's fair! In my mind, it is a 20% increase. If you look at it like it, it seems quite a bit more for a scaling company that is probably thrice the size they were. The margin has to be nuts on these in comparison to gen 1. But I get it!
@@LanceHedrick well, I don't really know about how big the company was compared to now, I thought my grinder three months ago so the fellow I know now is the fellow I've always known lol. One thing is interesting, they have a mix of premium price products ($100 French press), and now very low price with the Opus, and I think of the Ode as in between the two. They definitely have a wide ranging portfolio, for sure!
The Gen. 2 price is justified due to the significant improvements from Gen1. You and other reviewers all agree that the improved burrs, low retention and static, more efficient hopper and SSP compatibility create a much improved taste in the cup and user experience.
this is amazing! Really awesome move! Also I'm very pleased with my pretty new ode gen 2 grinder... I switched from the Encore and now that the burrs saw some action and I'm getting closer to my personal sweet point grindsizewise I'm really really happy I bought this! I'm so full of joy with most of my cups currently and i'm still improving with this grinder... Also I wanna try the SSP MP burrs after I get some experience with the gen 2 burrs, they're already waiting to be installed... but currently I enjoy the coffee of the gen 2 burrs very much, so they'll have to wait a bit longer... And now your video totally backed that with your experience, so thank you for that as well! :)
First time viewer here. I was interested in learning about the Ode Gen 2, but the opening had me thinking that it was about the next Avenger movie. Later I found myself in the Upside Down. That said, I learned something and I think the Ode is the way to go. Thanks for an informative and entertaining review!
I'm about the same time in so far, and just haven't been able to get brews without an overwhelming syrupy thick body, have those not been your results? Is that the type of texture you like?
I’ve had my Gen 2 for 5 months and I’ve enjoyed the coffee from this grinder. My one complaint is that grinds get trapped above the bottom screen and seize the grinder. The knocker tap does not do an efficient job in expelling those grinds. So far it has occurred 2 times and I had to take apart the top portion of the grinder to unfree the beans after breaking apart the packed grinds from under the chute. The chute opening seems to be too small for the grind rate.
Please do make a video on 'reading' the burr sets - both flat, and connical. What you can assume and/or ready by just looking at the burrs. Nobody has touched it, I know nothing about it, and I'd love to know
Not sure if this is just my experience/taste but I've been really unhappy with the cup my gen 2 produces. I've even warrantied my machine and the replacement still tastes the same to me. I've explored every other variable with my pourovers and keep coming back to the grinder/gen 2 burrs being the issue
I remember you mentioning you intended to touch on (no pun intended) burr alignment with the new carrier in this video, but I didn't catch anything about it? I was unable to get any kind of burr chirp when I tried to align her, and just ended up putting it all back together. I didn't want to bug you about it when the video first dropped since you pump out such bomb content so often😊
That's down to your priorities and how you feel about the user experience of the current grinder. If you'd benefit from a larger hopper and less static without RDT than the Gen 2 might be worth it for you. If not I'd spring for the SSP burr upgrade for your gen 1, since those are superior to the gen 2 stock burrs anyway
@@WyattWinters Music bro....I'm lucky that here in the Nashville area, static isn't that big a problem. I don't RDT..my little bottle hasn't gotten any use since I sold my BDB. James vid show...in glorious sssslllloooowwww motion, the differences with Gen 1 and Gen 2 (with the ionizer) was pretty impressive...even without the spritz. I presently start the grinder, then throw in the beans, replace the top (I had a 3rd party lid/bellows combo wich expels any residual grind. But I agree totally with Sir Lance-a lot of caffeine...it's much about the burrs.In OUR world, it should be all about the SONG.
A question to anyone here with the knowledge. How much influence does a grinder have over the final results with coffee? I see many different recipes for doing pour overs with claims of wide variations and I have experienced some of the results in the cup. This is something anyone can confirm. I use a $100 OXO grinder and wonder what one could expect from an upgrade. From reading comments on all grinders, it sounds like I am beating my beans in an old dirty sock on the garage floor with a hammer. Would a grinder like the ODE Gen2 really change my results? I do batch and pour overs. Ease of use would be one thing since I have to pick up mine while it's running and tip it and slap it to get everything through. But will it taste better? Thanks
Assuming your water is treated and your coffee is a good quality, grinder is the most important part of brewing. Big difference between an OXO and something that is $500 and up
@@LanceHedrick My water is filtered RO. No taste. I use Petes Major Dicks, Starbucks and Costco mainly. I think a good cup of coffee can be had from these major retail brands. Not really into the $20 for 10oz. bags that come and go. So, my conclusion from this, is that the grinder here in this discussion (@ $350) or similar, would not be much of a return but going $500 and up would get substantial improved results. Thanks
So massive issues. Brewing with RO is awful. And those brands will give less than pptimal results. A $300 grinder, minerals added to your water, and high quality coffee would completely revolutionize your cup
@@LanceHedrick I see I have a lot of learning to do. I admit my coffee tastes like crap and that's why I'm here. Still better than at the Diner though. Ha. Water, I live in So Cal and the public water tastes horrible. And like chlorine. It's so full of calcium and other contaminates that everything it touches gets spots. Everything. Sink, dishes, glassware, car, etc. You must wipe everything or else. So, I got the bright idea to get an RO system for the kitchen. Water is pure with no taste whatsoever. Thought that would eliminate bad water taste in Coffee and let the beans come through pure. All my vessels that I use RO water in look like the day they were new. I have read articles that state not to use distilled or RO water but didn't know why. Tap water is out of the question, and now RO, so I need to go down a road unknown for a solution to my water. Drops in the RO water? Table salt? Coffee, I know my brands are kind of like Ford, Chevy, Dodge, but I have to draw a line somewhere at around $15 per lb. or close to that. Anything from the small shops is $30-40 per lb. that I know of. If anyone knows of a good Med to dark roast that can be ordered let me know. I have had some good results from my beans but I'm inconsistent and most of the time it's not optimal. Equipment, My Aeropress does well but my batch maker does not. My best coffee is absolutely from the Aeropress. I have a moccamaster with aluminum carafe. Actually 2 of them, the same model. One for 15 years and one for 5. I am convinced they really don't make good coffee, but since they cost so much, and everyone raves about them coming from Europe, everyone thinks they make the best coffee. At minimum they need to be stirred. I have a Hario Switch and glass pot ordered. That will be my new focus. Grinder, I am too new to the premium grinder scene to know yet what would be best for me. Top of the list is the ODE gen2 but was going to wait a little for the new Timemore line to come out. I recently bought a scale and that alone gave me finer control and improved results over eyeballing with a scoop. Now I can follow recipes precisely. So, thanks for the previous replies and help.
I know I’m late, but I have a question for you, Lance! When you were doing your testing did you align the burrs? Marker alignment. Or were your taste tests done based on factory alignment? Thank you in advance…Lance ❤️❤️👍
Lol, i WAITED for the gen 2 burrs, bought them… hated em. Was let down. Went with SSP MP… those are it, only burrs i may ever want or need. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk.
You hated them? Very odd. How much time did you spend with them? Did you align? What do you go for in a cup? Did you do any blind tastings with multiple cups? Confirmation bias can be a bitch. I love the SSP MP as well, and agree they're better, but it sounds like you're saying you're a much better taster than daddy Hoff, who said these two burr sets were nearly indistinguishable.
Thank you for revealing one of your secrets Lance 😂 I’m so glad you called out the lid seating issue. My fingers are stiff due to arthritis so I knock stuff over all the time (put away the good wine glasses). I had to stop using my Moccamaster because I would knock over the filter basket all the time. I just unboxed the Breville Precision Brewer and need to upgrade my brew grinder (Breville Smart Grinder Pro) and the Ode 2 would be a contender if they made a lid that snaps or seats in well.
Thank you Lance, I have 2 small question and only you trust you to answer. 1. As just about all my coffee drank as filter is med-dark to dark, will I be making a mistake getting the SSP MP for this grinder? 2. I am willing to spend upto 1200, if there is anything else you suggest for filter focus I would appreciate it, size is irrelevant, and again thank you for what you do, we are very lucky for your hard work and travels. 🤗🤗🤗
Got myself the Ode Gen1 "hackers edition" that comes with the Gen2 burrs (because in Germany the Ode Gen2 grinder is/was stupidly overpriced) and from day1 , this cute litle grinder has a place in my heart. With RDT static isn't too much of an issue and the hopper is... ok. Might switch it out for a Gen2 hopper once the parts hit the european market. The burrs itself are working nicely and fit my personal flavor profile, which is slightly more body and complexity over clarity. Your story on how you got involved in development of the gen2 burrs makes me love them even more.
Got SSP MP, but will probably swap to Gen 2 burrs, cause guess Im not good enough for SSP. Cant brew with it anything with body, like no-body there literally, very little aftertaste. Yea I can grind at finest, which basically looks like espresso grind, but can actually brew V60 with it. But it has no positive impact. Altho that sludge looks hilarious and it should have no right to even go thru it. Also got SSP HU, switched back and forth with this. HU are definitely making really really good espresso and really not so good filter, which is also rather difficult with HU, cause it somehow produces very unpredictable results. Plus again, its like.. no-body there if its "filter grind size" and all sorts of strange results, if its finer, mostly being a bit over extracted. Not sure if its SSP thing, but both burrs I have really go deep in that acidity/astringency territory. Now as last resort I just put back original V1 burrs, put them in reverse, cup was okay. Its bit "empty" which isnt case with SSP (either type), but its not astringent at all, at least. So I swapped it into correct position (jagged teeth edge as stator, normal burr as rotor). It somehow doesnt feel improved, rather opposite, so I might swap it back. Thats a bit strange thing I noticed with SSP MP burrs too, if I put them inside "incorrectly", which means rotating burr has less teeth than static burr, it actually seems to taste better than "correct" way. Kinda odd. Did that without purpose at first with SSP HU too, but there is I think some thickness difference, which seem to create issue with accumulating fine particles inside grinder, so dont do that (at least not with v1 Ode, v2 has better chute probably, might be fine), also it didnt seem to have any impact on taste at all. Sorry about rambling, bit late and ADHD again kicked in, shouldnt have that last cup..
Thanks for the review and the honesty about your involvement. It might have been preferable to not hold back and have us find out about it from other sources first.
glad to read this! I think I made the right choice (though I don't think i'm biased since I make zero money from it ha! their success or failure literally nothing to me, but I wanted to err on the safe side)
Yeah dogg the V2 is good, I used to like the V1 even, then the Timemore C3 Max beat it, then the Ode v2 Burr emerged to pwn them both in terms of grind consistency, which is what matters at this price point.
So my question to you is: is the gen2 producing better espresso quality than the encore ESP? and if so, is that with the stock burr or SSP MP Red Speed Brew Burrs? (espresso focus)
I would really love for you to try these burr in a df64 for exemple to see if it could be a good improvement from the stock burr for espresso and filter!
Based on the intro music, I thought Lance was going to confess to using the Gen 2 to open a portal to the Upside Down. Been using the Gen 2 burrs in my Gen 1. Can't agree more with both the cup and Fellow's commitment to putting out a quality product.
I didn’t really consider the Gen 2 burrs as I was planning on getting the SSPs by default. I am now reconsidering these burrs knowing that you had such a big role in their development. On the other hand, I think I want to maximize clarity, so I may get the SSP’s anyway
@@LanceHedrick I have enough Fellow Giftcards to get the Ode Gen 2 right now, but I need to cover the SSP MP upgrade out of pocket which is an ongoing negotiation with my SO. I am not sure when or if I will get SO approval for another upgraded grinder beyond the Ode Gen 2 in the future, so long term considerations are very important. It would probably be very difficult to get the Ode Gen 2 with Gen 2 Burrs and then convince my SO to let me spend another ~ $185 + tax on a burr upgrade at a later date. In the long run, I think I am probably safer with the SSP MP burr upgrade from the get go. So I will delay my Ode Gen 2 purchase until I can get approval for the SSP MP upgrade with the initial purchase. Daddy Hoff alluding to other inexpensive grinders on the horizon that will rival or exceed the Ode Gen 2 does not make this easier, but i guess with my giftcards, I am already committed to the Ode Gen 2
Ive owned the OXO and always thought about making the upgrade to a nicer burr grinder but was worried it would be diminishing returns. I picked up the Ode 2 recently and couldn't have been more wrong...
So my question is, is it a coffee maker or is it just a grinder like that? Made it more confusing? You didn’t answer anything of the questions I was asking out loud to my tv😢confused😕😕😕😕 I mean homeboy really likes his coffee like there’s a whole culture n “the burrs” I get it but I’m just trying to find out. It is a coffee maker so it’s a coffee maker right?
Did you test these burrs in a different grider like a DF64 for espresso? I know that this are primarily filter burrs but the lower price makes them very desirable for those who don't want to spend a fortune on SSPs.
I bought an ode grinder for $400 dollars and the motor died after using twice a day for two years. 1 year warranty. Fellow did not offer parts to fix or repair. Best they could do was 10% off another expensive grinder of theirs. I have a Baratza that tastes just as good- much better in fact when everytime I look at the broken fellow I think of how they got $400 out of me for a 2 year grinder. The Baratza has lasted me seven years and I can buy parts to easily fix, so tbh that alone makes me wayyy happier everytime I use it!! Fellow is hype imo and a good way to send your money to a company overcharging you for poorer quality than other brands.
Hi Lance, just wondering if you will be able to get a review out on the Timemore sculptor 064 vs 078? Want to know is there is any difference in taste before buying. Thanks!
Since day one our new Ode Gen 2 has been prone to jamming. We only use it once per day, sometimes less, but have already experienced at least 7 lockups in 30 days when grinding medium to dark roast beans at a setting of 7-8 for French Press. I am now reading similar reports from Ode 2 owners. What is going on and is there a fix? For $350 one should not have to be concerned about such an unreliably functioning product. Note: when putting the same beans into a Lagom Mini set for espresso with a Flair 58+, I haven't had a single lockup. Time to return it while I can and choose something more reliable? Any advice appreciated.
Killer video as always. You say it is the option at this price point? The Wilma uniform is now stateside. Curious if that unit included in this statement? Thanks for all the great content Lance!
If I could buy a Gen 1 for $200.00 should I buy it instead of the Gen. 2? All I plan to do is filter coffee. Or would I be better off with a manual grinder like the Kingrinder K6 or impress X Pro? Thanks
I recently received my Gen 2 a week ago to replace my old reliable OXO Burr grinder as I wanted something that made single dosing easier as I had many varieties of coffee to choose from and while my JX Pro was easy to swap beans on it was limited by capacity. What I do enjoy about it is that is easy to dial in my coffee and it is so much more quiet than the OXO. My only dislike is the hump in the center of the cup; the guides are easy for me to ignore by using the other side of the cup. Lids on either the grinder or the cup really don't phase me. Could they be a bit tighter, sure, but in the end it is the grind I am concerned about Now as for that coffee at the end of your video, I have never hit a two on my pour over. I have a few light road decafs but they seem to not drain through the filter at that grind (v60)
it depends on how your grinder is calibrated! Likely mine is not the same as I have changed loads of burrs loads of times, and this affects touch point.
I want that hopper more than anything. I upgraded the burrs in my gen 1. I’m just annoyed having to fiddle with coffee beans to go down the chute! It’s also too bad the ionizer isn’t backwards compatible to the gen 1. I would love to just upgrade my gen 1 to be close to this level.
Hahahaha dude the bit where you make the coffee and your reaction to the taste was freaking so good and HILARIOUS. Production game keeps going up, this was so sick. Incredible music track, and very good editing for when the music comes in at what times and how intense… this is so good.
It’s unfortunate that Timemore doesn’t seem to be planning on making a 110v version of the 078 for the US market. Looking forward to your thoughts about the 064 to decide whether I’m getting the Timemore or the Ode Gen 2.
A year later, (3/2024) with supply going down for the original Ode, the Gen 2 - $345 pretty much everyone, original Gen $199 (however black was $129 special - but they are gone now - white still $199) Does anyone recommend a Gen 1 now for under $150 - new-old stock?
Yeah, I'm waiting as well. I even gave in and bought a Comandante C40 as an upgrade from my Wilfa Svart Aroma but I still want the Ode as an electric alternative and for the flat burrs...
very cool! ... if put in another espresso-capable grinder (say DF64 or other) ...are the Gen2 burrs capable of grinding fine enough for espresso? thanks!
Only in the last 2 weeks have I decided I want to get my first set of gear to make coffee at home. I've been doing a lot of looking around on reddit and UA-cam, and I'm pretty sure the ode gen 2 is going to my choice. I think I'm lucking out a bit with the timing of my first grinder purchase too, given it happened around the same time the gen 2 has become available. Question for anyone who can give a rough answer, if one grinds 5 pounds a month through this thing, what is the rough lifespan of the motor and burs? The motor probably being a note important answer given the burs can be replaced.
I do have a have a question. I'm currently using a single dose Mazzer mini. I used it for espresso and V60 but I'm only really making V60. I'm constantly reading that you shouldn't use an espresso grinder for filter but im wondering what your oppinion is on that matter. And could i improve my filter coffee with a differnt 58mm burr and if yes do you have recogmendansion
they work, but you're going crazy fine! like burr touch and beyond. not made for espresso but they can do it! Doesn't hurt them but it;ll scare you haha
I've already been debating getting a fellow Ode 2, but haven't yet because I've been on the fence between the gen 2 burrs and the SSP burrs at an increased cost. there hasn't really been many people doing in depth comparisons for me to decide whether they're good enough compared to the SSP or whether the SSP ones are still a necessary upgrade knowing that you and james both like them is the excuse I need to spend less money on an ode if I do decide to get one. (now the decision is between the ode which is unfortunately filter only and splurging on the p64 that gives me the flexibility to move into espresso later)
@@LanceHedrick thanks for the tip! I've also been looking out for timemore's "s" sculptors, it seems to be a really exiting time for coffee grinders its hard to commit to one
Would these be good burrs for pourover and espresso in variable-RPM grinders like the P64 and the upcoming (and much cheaper) Turin VS64? I have my eyes set on the latter and am wondering whether I should get it with the stock burrs or already invest in this $80 upgrade.
Thank you for the quick reply. Do you still start around 5 for your 1 cup v60’s? Ive only had mine a short while and trying to get the best out of it. Thanks
Has anyone tried these gen 2 burrs for espresso in a DF64 (or similar?). Whenever I’ve asked this, I always get the “Ode can’t grind for espresso!” answer… but I wonder if this burr could grind fine enough with the right motor.
Hah I just wrote this same comment. I see he answered the same question in another comment and he said, "can do espresso! Yes. But you are going to be grinding at touch point or tighter for light coffees."
@@Foolsauce good to know! I recently got SSP Cast Burrs, which based on some reviews and Joe at espresso outlet’s opinion I for whatever reason thought would be a great well rounded upgrade for my DF64P for espresso. I’m finding that I have very limited range and am struggling to get decent 1:2-2.5 shots for my milk drinks. I have had better luck with longer straight shots with very light roasts (and/or at lower pressures), but am still in a very limited grind range right above chirp. I was considering throwing my casts into my Ode V2, and getting something else for the DF64P (or just selling it and getting a Timemore 078s, depending on how those burrs review… I’m getting really sick of the static/clogging issues with my DF). I considered trying my Ode V2 burrs for espresso since I haven’t heard of anyone actually trying them 🤷🏻♂️
I got those for Christmas for my ode 1.1 and they are a game changer! Sweet, good body, nice acidity although I have noticed a muddy bed and many fines. Haven't seasoned tho so it could change. Also I struggled with shim alligning them because of their backside geometry. Any tips?
Tons of fines are inevitable I'm afraid with these machines because they go at an insanely fast speed for some strange reason 1400 rpm !! I overlooked this before I bought my Gen 2 unfortunately, and realized it when it was too late to send it back. You can read my comments on it above. I can't help think it was planned into their marketing strategy because how simple is it to slow the motor down, like a lot? Buying one of their 'Shimmy' filters' works well but it's a whole extra step to the workflow process. I honestly don't have the motivation to use it every single time. Only days when I have extra time and I want to really taste the potential of the strains I'm working with. If you know anyone that wants to buy a fairly new Ode 2 and save some money, please let me know. Cheers
@@ciejaygear nah that's not it. As Lance already said fines on higher rpm is with conicals not flat burrs. Also I wouldn't reach that far into the cookie jar and claim it was intentional to sell a different product. The shimmy has a different target demographic. It's an easy way to improve a cheap grinder without investing into a more expensive one. Why would they Programm a smart rpm which adjusts the rpm when they would know it leads to a worse cup. Nah man, I know cooperations often only profit on mind but intentionally making a product worst would just harm them instead of selling more shimmys. Your reasoning doesn't make sense
Why are there no grind by weight grinders ? I just want to fill the hopper, choose a grind size and gram amount like 75 grams for a full pot on my moccamaster hit go and be done...All this weighing the beans etc is just another step. Why all the BS. Why dont they have a scale built in ? Hell the OXO grinder I had for 3 years could do this and had the built in scale. I was looking to upgrade but all this is just overkill. I make drip coffee / moka pot french press and cold brew. I just want a grinder to set and go. So if I want to grind 75grams of coffee how do i know how long to let the thing run? No way to know
IMPORTANT TLDR:
I have no bias towards this grinder or these burrs. I prefer the timemore sculptor 078 to these. I prefer ssp MP to these. I prefer ZP6 to these. I prefer the new Pietro Pro Brewing to these.
I was simply wanting to help make an accessible burr set that was solid. Will they blow your mind? Probably not. Should you buy them? Maybe if you're using stock burrs and want a cheap upgrade.
Anyway, this is the first and last time you'll hear me discuss these burrs so there won't be any issue going forward.
Let's be real- I am not compensated so no incentive ha! Just happy to have contributed to something many seem to enjoy. Was excited to share that.
Let me know your thoughts below!
Oh, and like and subscribe!
Did you notice a lot of fines? I’m at the coarest setting and I’m still getting so much fines. 40 grams in and about 2 grams of 250um and smaller.
Michael Chong, that really isn’t a lot of fines. A pretty normal amount. You’ll always get some fines.
You probably could align your burrs to produce less fines though.
Thank you Lance! I think you helped everyone in Specialty coffee by raising the bar for the burrs that became the "Gen 2" burrs!
ZP6 vs Pietro Pro Brewing for a travel grinder?
That's next to nothing. Plus sifting is not a helpful measurement but let's assume it is. I sifted for my US brewers cup routine which placed second in my testing. A 15g dose of coffee on an ek43 gave me 2.2g of fines.
Travel? Zp6. Easier to hold and lighter. Better particle distribution? Pietro with the burrs I helped create lol. I am heavily biased here because I make royalties on Pietro sales BUT to be honest, it is big and heavy (1.5kg). Zp6 is lighter for travel. I prefer brews from Pietro and so have the 4 people I have blind brewed for.
I simply love that my two favorite coffee experts know each other and collaborate. Thank you Lance and James. Would love to see you two do a chat sometime. Our minds would be blown.
Two quick things
1.) the hopper lid sits well when it’s made properly. The first one I got was warped so it never sat flat and always wobbled. Their EXCELLENT customer service replaced it and I’m happy with it now.
2.) adding your face to the stories I’ve heard about the process of selecting #23 makes so much sense.
This is so awesome. Fellow is lucky to have you helping them and a shout out to Fellow wanting to make the best product for us coffee enthusiasts they possibly could.
Waiting for others to go first was a real stand up move. And stepping to improve a grinder at this price point is incredible stuff. It’s not raised the bar for everyone else.
First, thanks for all your shared sage knowledge. Watching your videos and the info that can't seem to bubble out fast enough, brings to mind the talking style of Marc Andreessen. (That's a huge compliment, he's almost otherworldly in his range and depth about everything.) My old Breville grinder died today and I binged reviews and videos. I only needed something simple for my French press, my espresso setup is in good health, so ordered this grinder today. Doesn't seem perfect but hope it will suffice without spending a larger chunk of change. Your stamp of approval made it a go. Thanks again.
This is awesome, congrats Lance & Nick! We're still waiting on the Ode 2 here but excited to try it.
Your transparency is refreshing, thanks
thank you!
This is really uplifting to see your passion and innovation lead to something great!
thank you so much! I'm humbled, to say the least, at the response.
For my 2 cents (worth likely less than that), I think these are exactly what they should be. My daily driver is a Lagom P100 with the stock SSP HU 98s; it was my preference overall for the kind of coffee I like to prepare, as blind tested against a friend's Weber and another friends Kafatek. Finding an electric brew grinder in that mid 300s price range that I could feel really good about recommending to friends and family who are not nearly as obsessed with coffee (i.e. not even entertaining the idea of dropping anything north of $400 on a grinder) was a lot harder before this came out. I got one right after they came out as a present for my brother in law, and had a chance to do a triangle test against my P100 for shiggles. Yes of course the P100 won every time. It was not night and day. The burrs in this really do produce an objectively enjoyable cup of coffee, and I think that's a real achievement at the price point.
TL;DR, nicely done.
Lance, Thank you so much for your clarity and transparancy with this video. It goes to show your character and respect for this industry and other creators. Huge props
Wow. I’m a sub 100 like hitter!
This was great Lance.
Had no idea you were involved with the Gen2 until Daddy Hoff eluded. Nice to hear it from the horses mouth.
Glad you de died to go about it the way you did. You are helping out the greater coffee community and remaining humble.
Keep on keeping on brother.
...and nice pour!
thank you! I'm really stoked and humbled they would listen, to be honest. Really cool move by Nick
Great collab with Nick, Lance. Nick is fantastic and definitely a humble guy. Love what Fellows does, and have really been enjoying the Gen 2's since they were made available to the kickstarter backers. Fantastic burr set!
definitely! He rocks. and glad you enjoy them!
@@LanceHedrick what about versus the wilfa uniform ?
Glad you were involved cause the Gen 2 burrs are probably my favorite filter burrs right now for an all around. Nick is such an awesome dude, I’ve had the privilege of chatting with him many times. Coffee people are so awesome!!! 🤘☕️😝
heck yeah! I linked your video, as well. Goodjob!
@@LanceHedrick wow!!!! Thank you man 😊🙌☕️
absolutely!
I’ve been wanting to upgrade from my Encore after 5 years, as I’m strictly a pour over person at home, and after hearing your review, along with James’ and others, I’m going to be pulling the trigger on the Gen 2 soon.
Will there be a gen 3 that can do espresso?
Lance, Hugo, this video made me love you guys even more. Beautifully shot, and the content and history and behind the scenes was such an exciting watch.
thank you! Hugo is fantastic.
@@LanceHedrick SO ARE YOU!
Total credit to Lance. He makes it easy
I love my Gen 2. Thanks for all the work and input on the burrs!
fantastic! That is awesome to read.
When I used my Gen 1, I would set the grind setting as low as 3 for the lighter roasts and still managing to get a 3 to 3.5 minute extraction in the Stag XF pour over set. I had to turn the grind setting all the way down to 1 if using the V60 in order to get a a great extraction. Now, with the Gen 2 with the upgraded SSP MP burrs I can get the same or similar extraction using the Stag XF but turned all the way up to the largest grind setting. This naturally opens up a huge array of possibilities for extractions with lighter roasts in the finer grind settings with the V60! I’ve been enjoying a ton of experimenting with different extractions, recipes and so on. The anti static feature is a game changer. This Gen 2 is very clean! Overall, I love the flexibility this new grinder is affording me!
As always, my friend your honesty and willingness to share rivals that of Jim Hoffmann. We unwashed rabble appreciate y’all.
thank you so much! What stellar company
I agree with you and Hoff-daddy on the price...if the Opus has a stronger motor and can grind finer, while being cheaper than the Ode, what could they do to bring those elements to the Ode and keep the price flat? What's really driving the up?
As an engineer, props for the anti-static solution. I've seen that used in my line of work, on equipment worth millions, to ensure tiny plastic parts feed without sticking.
Hey Lance, great video. Whatever it’s worth: I upgraded from the gen1 ode to gen2 and at first the anti static tech was great. It helped a ton, the grind was really fluffy and …not charged with static. But after about 6-8 months of daily use (and no cleaning just using the knocker), the grounds are pretty staticky and messy again. I tore it all down and cleaned it out, and it worked pretty well (like new) again for a few weeks but now it’s back to getting clogged up again. The wires that are energized get absolutely caked with grinds and I guess needs to be cleaned regularly. Now as I type it out it seems so obvious lol.
How much work and how long does it take to do the cleaning? Is that normal maintenance or are you disassembling the whole grinder?
@@tristanwwsd just brushing the grinds off of the wires and exit chute area is all.
@@jonathonhagerty237 Okay. That's not a big deal since it's exterior. Thanks
Are you misting your beans with water? That helps dramatically.
I was so worried. I had ordered this grinder yesterday and I guess looking for a little reassurance 🙂
Peeww, I have it. There is no perfect grinder, its like camera gear there will always be something more that you want. But this ticked most of the boxes and for me, I just don't do espresso at home, I keep that as my treat going out coffee and I focus on brewing with drip and pour at home. Now I am even more excited than ever as I am replacing a 6 year old "very" entry level grinder.
I recently bought the Ode 2, coming from an 1ZPresso JX hand grinder (for V60 pourover) and I'm absolutely happy with the Ode 2. Extremely easy, very fast. I just set the dial to the setting in the very middle, coffee was very delicious on the first try, never touched the dial wheel since.
Awesome video! Intro, choice of music, your acting style, so fun to watch!
I really liked this video. Different than a normal review but still hit the important parts. Good to know it has high praises from you and Daddy Hoff
It’s so great. I’m exclusively pour over and moved from Encore I’ve had for 4 years. I only wish I’d bought this sooner. The user experience and flavor an unbelievable upgrade.
Got the Gen 2 last week. It's actually my first electric grinder. Before now I hand ground everything with a 1zpresso K-Plus. Which is great. However, I do a lot of cold brew for my lady and I throughout the week. An batch brewing on a hand grinder sucks.
But so far it's been great. It's interesting to task the difference between a conical burr and a flat burr grinder. It's more of a generic coffee tast I suppose. But it's still a great cup. Just... different in it's own way. Loving it.
heck yeah! love to read about people experimenting, etc. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Lance.. your generous praise for others is an admirable quality. It makes anything you say ring with veracity.. or something like that.🤐
thank you! I'm just stoked to be a little part of this awesome community.
Thanks for an awesome review!
A while ago I got two sets of gen1 burrs, and I tried two of the same burrs (the non interlocking side) and they tasted hollow. So I went back to standard Gen1. Then I bought Gen2 burrs. They are awesome.
heck yeah! glad you love them!
Great video Lance, fascinating to hear insights into the design process for this grinder, and your role in the burr design. This review has honestly made me reconsider the Ode Gen 2 as a replacement for my multi-purpose Mini. Also - the quality of your videos just keeps improving, although I appreciate the way your natural personality still shines through, I need to ensure I'm not drinking coffee when I watch your videos, just in case I inadvertently spit it out over my keyboard when you make me laugh! 😁
Having owned the Fellow for a while, it would be great to see you do a video of how you would change the grind and brew method for different roasts of coffee (light through dark) and how the given changes impact the finished brew (using the Fellow). Love your vids 👌 thanks for the great info.
I picked up in ode gen 2 and I’ve been very happy with it. Great job on the vid.
fantastic! Glad to read it.
Very open and honest video, Sir. BTW enjoyed your coaster set!
I posted my first comment before I finished the video, but thank you so much for waiting and for the transparency with your involvement on the bur development. I bought this grinder right when it came out because of other reviews, and knowing that you helped develop the burs just makes it feel even more special. I've really enjoyed this grinder, it's my first grinder and it's the one that got me into specialty coffee and I've been having a great time discovering light roast with it.
As for the price, I think too much is being made of it, honestly. I think $50 is more than fair for the upgrade, especially considering inflation in the USA has caused, on average, increased consumer prices by 16%. 16% on $299 is $348, so it's basically a free upgrade if you buy it now, compared with the 2020 price of the Ode gen1
that's fair! In my mind, it is a 20% increase. If you look at it like it, it seems quite a bit more for a scaling company that is probably thrice the size they were. The margin has to be nuts on these in comparison to gen 1. But I get it!
@@LanceHedrick well, I don't really know about how big the company was compared to now, I thought my grinder three months ago so the fellow I know now is the fellow I've always known lol. One thing is interesting, they have a mix of premium price products ($100 French press), and now very low price with the Opus, and I think of the Ode as in between the two. They definitely have a wide ranging portfolio, for sure!
The Gen. 2 price is justified due to the significant improvements from Gen1. You and other reviewers all agree that the improved burrs, low retention and static, more efficient hopper and SSP compatibility create a much improved taste in the cup and user experience.
Well goodsir, you and James Hoffman have officially convinced me to finally pull the trigger on a good grinder. Ty for a great video as always. 🙌🏼
this is amazing! Really awesome move!
Also I'm very pleased with my pretty new ode gen 2 grinder... I switched from the Encore and now that the burrs saw some action and I'm getting closer to my personal sweet point grindsizewise I'm really really happy I bought this! I'm so full of joy with most of my cups currently and i'm still improving with this grinder...
Also I wanna try the SSP MP burrs after I get some experience with the gen 2 burrs, they're already waiting to be installed... but currently I enjoy the coffee of the gen 2 burrs very much, so they'll have to wait a bit longer...
And now your video totally backed that with your experience, so thank you for that as well! :)
I wish they would discontinued the Gen 1 version of this grinder and drop the current one down back to $299. I can’t justify buying it at $345.
Your dry but also silly humor while giving amazing information is my favorite thing about all of your videos.
First time viewer here. I was interested in learning about the Ode Gen 2, but the opening had me thinking that it was about the next Avenger movie. Later I found myself in the Upside Down. That said, I learned something and I think the Ode is the way to go. Thanks for an informative and entertaining review!
I have 3 weeks with my ODE gen 2 and it’s quality in terms of built quality and grind uniformity it’s just amazing
I'm about the same time in so far, and just haven't been able to get brews without an overwhelming syrupy thick body, have those not been your results? Is that the type of texture you like?
Production keeps improving man. Love the cuts and edits. Great pacing. Great video!
I’ve had my Gen 2 for 5 months and I’ve enjoyed the coffee from this grinder. My one complaint is that grinds get trapped above the bottom screen and seize the grinder. The knocker tap does not do an efficient job in expelling those grinds. So far it has occurred 2 times and I had to take apart the top portion of the grinder to unfree the beans after breaking apart the packed grinds from under the chute.
The chute opening seems to be too small for the grind rate.
Please do make a video on 'reading' the burr sets - both flat, and connical. What you can assume and/or ready by just looking at the burrs. Nobody has touched it, I know nothing about it, and I'd love to know
once I can know concretely that certain burr design choices correlate exactly to certain things in the cup, I will. Right now, most is voodoo!
Not sure if this is just my experience/taste but I've been really unhappy with the cup my gen 2 produces. I've even warrantied my machine and the replacement still tastes the same to me. I've explored every other variable with my pourovers and keep coming back to the grinder/gen 2 burrs being the issue
I remember you mentioning you intended to touch on (no pun intended) burr alignment with the new carrier in this video, but I didn't catch anything about it? I was unable to get any kind of burr chirp when I tried to align her, and just ended up putting it all back together. I didn't want to bug you about it when the video first dropped since you pump out such bomb content so often😊
Do I add the gen 2 burr set to my Gen 1 or spring for the Gen 2 grinder?
That's down to your priorities and how you feel about the user experience of the current grinder. If you'd benefit from a larger hopper and less static without RDT than the Gen 2 might be worth it for you. If not I'd spring for the SSP burr upgrade for your gen 1, since those are superior to the gen 2 stock burrs anyway
i'd just add burrs to gen 1! or just go for SSP burrs!
@@WyattWinters Music bro....I'm lucky that here in the Nashville area, static isn't that big a problem. I don't RDT..my little bottle hasn't gotten any use since I sold my BDB. James vid show...in glorious sssslllloooowwww motion, the differences with Gen 1 and Gen 2 (with the ionizer) was pretty impressive...even without the spritz. I presently start the grinder, then throw in the beans, replace the top (I had a 3rd party lid/bellows combo wich expels any residual grind. But I agree totally with Sir Lance-a lot of caffeine...it's much about the burrs.In OUR world, it should be all about the SONG.
@@LanceHedrick Thanks brother. So when am I gonna hear one of your original songs? It's what I do.
Looking for an Encore upgrade, I think this video sealed it for me haha thanks Lance!
A question to anyone here with the knowledge. How much influence does a grinder have over the final results with coffee?
I see many different recipes for doing pour overs with claims of wide variations and I have experienced some of the results in the cup.
This is something anyone can confirm.
I use a $100 OXO grinder and wonder what one could expect from an upgrade. From reading comments on all grinders, it sounds like I am beating my beans in an old dirty sock on the garage floor with a hammer. Would a grinder like the ODE Gen2 really change my results? I do batch and pour overs. Ease of use would be one thing since I have to pick up mine while it's running and tip it and slap it to get everything through. But will it taste better?
Thanks
Assuming your water is treated and your coffee is a good quality, grinder is the most important part of brewing. Big difference between an OXO and something that is $500 and up
@@LanceHedrick My water is filtered RO. No taste. I use Petes Major Dicks, Starbucks and Costco mainly. I think a good cup of coffee can be had from these major retail brands. Not really into the $20 for 10oz. bags that come and go.
So, my conclusion from this, is that the grinder here in this discussion (@ $350) or similar, would not be much of a return but going $500 and up would get substantial improved results.
Thanks
So massive issues. Brewing with RO is awful. And those brands will give less than pptimal results. A $300 grinder, minerals added to your water, and high quality coffee would completely revolutionize your cup
@@LanceHedrick I see I have a lot of learning to do. I admit my coffee tastes like crap and that's why I'm here. Still better than at the Diner though. Ha.
Water, I live in So Cal and the public water tastes horrible. And like chlorine. It's so full of calcium and other contaminates that everything it touches gets spots. Everything. Sink, dishes, glassware, car, etc. You must wipe everything or else. So, I got the bright idea to get an RO system for the kitchen. Water is pure with no taste whatsoever. Thought that would eliminate bad water taste in Coffee and let the beans come through pure. All my vessels that I use RO water in look like the day they were new. I have read articles that state not to use distilled or RO water but didn't know why. Tap water is out of the question, and now RO, so I need to go down a road unknown for a solution to my water. Drops in the RO water? Table salt?
Coffee, I know my brands are kind of like Ford, Chevy, Dodge, but I have to draw a line somewhere at around $15 per lb. or close to that.
Anything from the small shops is $30-40 per lb. that I know of. If anyone knows of a good Med to dark roast that can be ordered let me know. I have had some good results from my beans but I'm inconsistent and most of the time it's not optimal.
Equipment, My Aeropress does well but my batch maker does not. My best coffee is absolutely from the Aeropress. I have a moccamaster with aluminum carafe. Actually 2 of them, the same model. One for 15 years and one for 5. I am convinced they really don't make good coffee, but since they cost so much, and everyone raves about them coming from Europe, everyone thinks they make the best coffee. At minimum they need to be stirred. I have a Hario Switch and glass pot ordered. That will be my new focus.
Grinder, I am too new to the premium grinder scene to know yet what would be best for me. Top of the list is the ODE gen2 but was going to wait a little for the new Timemore line to come out.
I recently bought a scale and that alone gave me finer control and improved results over eyeballing with a scoop.
Now I can follow recipes precisely.
So, thanks for the previous replies and help.
I know I’m late, but I have a question for you, Lance! When you were doing your testing did you align the burrs? Marker alignment. Or were your taste tests done based on factory alignment? Thank you in advance…Lance ❤️❤️👍
Wow, just noticed that grind setting with your light roasted Kenya. Lots of leeway left.
yeah! totally.
Lol, i WAITED for the gen 2 burrs, bought them… hated em. Was let down. Went with SSP MP… those are it, only burrs i may ever want or need. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk.
You hated them? Very odd. How much time did you spend with them? Did you align? What do you go for in a cup? Did you do any blind tastings with multiple cups? Confirmation bias can be a bitch. I love the SSP MP as well, and agree they're better, but it sounds like you're saying you're a much better taster than daddy Hoff, who said these two burr sets were nearly indistinguishable.
Hey, just to let you know. your "um, dois, três" was intense, greatly pronounced and perfectly timed.
Portugal has been doing you some good!
Thank you for revealing one of your secrets Lance 😂 I’m so glad you called out the lid seating issue. My fingers are stiff due to arthritis so I knock stuff over all the time (put away the good wine glasses). I had to stop using my Moccamaster because I would knock over the filter basket all the time. I just unboxed the Breville Precision Brewer and need to upgrade my brew grinder (Breville Smart Grinder Pro) and the Ode 2 would be a contender if they made a lid that snaps or seats in well.
Thank you Lance, I have 2 small question and only you trust you to answer.
1. As just about all my coffee drank as filter is med-dark to dark, will I be making a mistake getting the SSP MP for this grinder?
2. I am willing to spend upto 1200, if there is anything else you suggest for filter focus I would appreciate it, size is irrelevant, and again thank you for what you do, we are very lucky for your hard work and travels. 🤗🤗🤗
Got myself the Ode Gen1 "hackers edition" that comes with the Gen2 burrs (because in Germany the Ode Gen2 grinder is/was stupidly overpriced) and from day1 , this cute litle grinder has a place in my heart.
With RDT static isn't too much of an issue and the hopper is... ok. Might switch it out for a Gen2 hopper once the parts hit the european market.
The burrs itself are working nicely and fit my personal flavor profile, which is slightly more body and complexity over clarity.
Your story on how you got involved in development of the gen2 burrs makes me love them even more.
New to your channel, this was amusing to watch and I'm now a subscriber. Not the first of your videos I've watched.
Got SSP MP, but will probably swap to Gen 2 burrs, cause guess Im not good enough for SSP. Cant brew with it anything with body, like no-body there literally, very little aftertaste. Yea I can grind at finest, which basically looks like espresso grind, but can actually brew V60 with it. But it has no positive impact. Altho that sludge looks hilarious and it should have no right to even go thru it.
Also got SSP HU, switched back and forth with this. HU are definitely making really really good espresso and really not so good filter, which is also rather difficult with HU, cause it somehow produces very unpredictable results. Plus again, its like.. no-body there if its "filter grind size" and all sorts of strange results, if its finer, mostly being a bit over extracted. Not sure if its SSP thing, but both burrs I have really go deep in that acidity/astringency territory.
Now as last resort I just put back original V1 burrs, put them in reverse, cup was okay. Its bit "empty" which isnt case with SSP (either type), but its not astringent at all, at least. So I swapped it into correct position (jagged teeth edge as stator, normal burr as rotor). It somehow doesnt feel improved, rather opposite, so I might swap it back.
Thats a bit strange thing I noticed with SSP MP burrs too, if I put them inside "incorrectly", which means rotating burr has less teeth than static burr, it actually seems to taste better than "correct" way. Kinda odd.
Did that without purpose at first with SSP HU too, but there is I think some thickness difference, which seem to create issue with accumulating fine particles inside grinder, so dont do that (at least not with v1 Ode, v2 has better chute probably, might be fine), also it didnt seem to have any impact on taste at all.
Sorry about rambling, bit late and ADHD again kicked in, shouldnt have that last cup..
Thanks for the review and the honesty about your involvement. It might have been preferable to not hold back and have us find out about it from other sources first.
glad to read this! I think I made the right choice (though I don't think i'm biased since I make zero money from it ha! their success or failure literally nothing to me, but I wanted to err on the safe side)
Yeah dogg the V2 is good, I used to like the V1 even, then the Timemore C3 Max beat it, then the Ode v2 Burr emerged to pwn them both in terms of grind consistency, which is what matters at this price point.
So my question to you is: is the gen2 producing better espresso quality than the encore ESP? and if so, is that with the stock burr or SSP MP Red Speed Brew Burrs? (espresso focus)
I would really love for you to try these burr in a df64 for exemple to see if it could be a good improvement from the stock burr for espresso and filter!
definitely! Can do espresso but you have to grind uncomfortably close to touch if not past it slightly!
Thanks for the response i love your content!
One of your best videos ever bro
Based on the intro music, I thought Lance was going to confess to using the Gen 2 to open a portal to the Upside Down.
Been using the Gen 2 burrs in my Gen 1. Can't agree more with both the cup and Fellow's commitment to putting out a quality product.
hahaha! Incredible. I am dustin from the future.
I didn’t really consider the Gen 2 burrs as I was planning on getting the SSPs by default. I am now reconsidering these burrs knowing that you had such a big role in their development.
On the other hand, I think I want to maximize clarity, so I may get the SSP’s anyway
yes. SSP MP will maximize clarity. No question!
@@LanceHedrick I have enough Fellow Giftcards to get the Ode Gen 2 right now, but I need to cover the SSP MP upgrade out of pocket which is an ongoing negotiation with my SO.
I am not sure when or if I will get SO approval for another upgraded grinder beyond the Ode Gen 2 in the future, so long term considerations are very important. It would probably be very difficult to get the Ode Gen 2 with Gen 2 Burrs and then convince my SO to let me spend another ~ $185 + tax on a burr upgrade at a later date. In the long run, I think I am probably safer with the SSP MP burr upgrade from the get go. So I will delay my Ode Gen 2 purchase until I can get approval for the SSP MP upgrade with the initial purchase.
Daddy Hoff alluding to other inexpensive grinders on the horizon that will rival or exceed the Ode Gen 2 does not make this easier, but i guess with my giftcards, I am already committed to the Ode Gen 2
So now the question becomes how does this compare to the Timemore?
Ive owned the OXO and always thought about making the upgrade to a nicer burr grinder but was worried it would be diminishing returns. I picked up the Ode 2 recently and couldn't have been more wrong...
Excellent video and even better shirt!! Nice 👊🏼
So my question is, is it a coffee maker or is it just a grinder like that? Made it more confusing? You didn’t answer anything of the questions I was asking out loud to my tv😢confused😕😕😕😕 I mean homeboy really likes his coffee like there’s a whole culture n “the burrs” I get it but I’m just trying to find out. It is a coffee maker so it’s a coffee maker right?
Did you test these burrs in a different grider like a DF64 for espresso?
I know that this are primarily filter burrs but the lower price makes them very desirable for those who don't want to spend a fortune on SSPs.
can do espresso! Yes. But you are going to be grinding at touch point or tighter for light coffees.
Hi Lance, great video as always! Did you try to grind for espresso with these burrs? Perhaps on different grinder
yes! They can. But you are going to grind insanely finely, like near or past touch point. Shouldn't hurt the burrs, but doable!
The crossroad of art and science...
Makes a great story. Thanks
Just received my eu version today, so happy with it!
heck yeah! Stoked you are enjoying it
I bought an ode grinder for $400 dollars and the motor died after using twice a day for two years. 1 year warranty. Fellow did not offer parts to fix or repair. Best they could do was 10% off another expensive grinder of theirs. I have a Baratza that tastes just as good- much better in fact when everytime I look at the broken fellow I think of how they got $400 out of me for a 2 year grinder. The Baratza has lasted me seven years and I can buy parts to easily fix, so tbh that alone makes me wayyy happier everytime I use it!! Fellow is hype imo and a good way to send your money to a company overcharging you for poorer quality than other brands.
Hi Lance, just wondering if you will be able to get a review out on the Timemore sculptor 064 vs 078? Want to know is there is any difference in taste before buying. Thanks!
Since day one our new Ode Gen 2 has been prone to jamming. We only use it once per day, sometimes less, but have already experienced at least 7 lockups in 30 days when grinding medium to dark roast beans at a setting of 7-8 for French Press. I am now reading similar reports from Ode 2 owners. What is going on and is there a fix? For $350 one should not have to be concerned about such an unreliably functioning product. Note: when putting the same beans into a Lagom Mini set for espresso with a Flair 58+, I haven't had a single lockup. Time to return it while I can and choose something more reliable? Any advice appreciated.
Nice video, the production quality and style is coming along. Still too many weird side shots in the beginning.
Nice Lance x Fellow collab. Keep up the great work.
Killer video as always. You say it is the option at this price point? The Wilma uniform is now stateside. Curious if that unit included in this statement? Thanks for all the great content Lance!
If I could buy a Gen 1 for $200.00 should I buy it instead of the Gen. 2? All I plan to do is filter coffee. Or would I be better off with a manual grinder like the Kingrinder K6 or impress X Pro? Thanks
Thanks Lance.
heck yeah!!!
@@LanceHedrick 👊🏻
I recently received my Gen 2 a week ago to replace my old reliable OXO Burr grinder as I wanted something that made single dosing easier as I had many varieties of coffee to choose from and while my JX Pro was easy to swap beans on it was limited by capacity. What I do enjoy about it is that is easy to dial in my coffee and it is so much more quiet than the OXO. My only dislike is the hump in the center of the cup; the guides are easy for me to ignore by using the other side of the cup. Lids on either the grinder or the cup really don't phase me. Could they be a bit tighter, sure, but in the end it is the grind I am concerned about
Now as for that coffee at the end of your video, I have never hit a two on my pour over. I have a few light road decafs but they seem to not drain through the filter at that grind (v60)
it depends on how your grinder is calibrated! Likely mine is not the same as I have changed loads of burrs loads of times, and this affects touch point.
I want that hopper more than anything. I upgraded the burrs in my gen 1. I’m just annoyed having to fiddle with coffee beans to go down the chute!
It’s also too bad the ionizer isn’t backwards compatible to the gen 1. I would love to just upgrade my gen 1 to be close to this level.
Hahahaha dude the bit where you make the coffee and your reaction to the taste was freaking so good and HILARIOUS. Production game keeps going up, this was so sick. Incredible music track, and very good editing for when the music comes in at what times and how intense… this is so good.
It’s unfortunate that Timemore doesn’t seem to be planning on making a 110v version of the 078 for the US market. Looking forward to your thoughts about the 064 to decide whether I’m getting the Timemore or the Ode Gen 2.
A year later, (3/2024) with supply going down for the original Ode, the Gen 2 - $345 pretty much everyone, original Gen $199 (however black was $129 special - but they are gone now - white still $199) Does anyone recommend a Gen 1 now for under $150 - new-old stock?
So many reviews on the ode2 these days and fellow still not communicating on the availibility for Europe. This is sooooo frustrating!!!!
oh wow! I had no idea about that.
Yeah, I'm waiting as well. I even gave in and bought a Comandante C40 as an upgrade from my Wilfa Svart Aroma but I still want the Ode as an electric alternative and for the flat burrs...
haha I know the feeling!
very cool! ... if put in another espresso-capable grinder (say DF64 or other) ...are the Gen2 burrs capable of grinding fine enough for espresso? thanks!
Only in the last 2 weeks have I decided I want to get my first set of gear to make coffee at home. I've been doing a lot of looking around on reddit and UA-cam, and I'm pretty sure the ode gen 2 is going to my choice. I think I'm lucking out a bit with the timing of my first grinder purchase too, given it happened around the same time the gen 2 has become available.
Question for anyone who can give a rough answer, if one grinds 5 pounds a month through this thing, what is the rough lifespan of the motor and burs? The motor probably being a note important answer given the burs can be replaced.
I do have a have a question. I'm currently using a single dose Mazzer mini. I used it for espresso and V60 but I'm only really making V60. I'm constantly reading that you shouldn't use an espresso grinder for filter but im wondering what your oppinion is on that matter. And could i improve my filter coffee with a differnt 58mm burr and if yes do you have recogmendansion
Oh awesome you helped.
Now like others I'm wondering how they do for espresso in other 64mm grinders!?
they work, but you're going crazy fine! like burr touch and beyond. not made for espresso but they can do it! Doesn't hurt them but it;ll scare you haha
@@LanceHedrick I have mechanical sympathy issues I wouldn't do that to my burrs heh
I've already been debating getting a fellow Ode 2, but haven't yet because I've been on the fence between the gen 2 burrs and the SSP burrs at an increased cost. there hasn't really been many people doing in depth comparisons for me to decide whether they're good enough compared to the SSP or whether the SSP ones are still a necessary upgrade
knowing that you and james both like them is the excuse I need to spend less money on an ode if I do decide to get one.
(now the decision is between the ode which is unfortunately filter only and splurging on the p64 that gives me the flexibility to move into espresso later)
If you're interested I'll sell you my fairly new Ode 2 (5 months) for $50 cheaper. It has the Gen 2 Burrs in it.
keep an eye out for the zerno! Not as much as p64...
@@LanceHedrick thanks for the tip! I've also been looking out for timemore's "s" sculptors, it seems to be a really exiting time for coffee grinders its hard to commit to one
Wow the burr bit what a legend Nick is
thank you so much for this review and I hope you have a great day
Would these be good burrs for pourover and espresso in variable-RPM grinders like the P64 and the upcoming (and much cheaper) Turin VS64? I have my eyes set on the latter and am wondering whether I should get it with the stock burrs or already invest in this $80 upgrade.
Great video. Do you prefer the cups from the Ode gen2 or the ZP6? I bought the ZP6 on your recommendation but i am I tempted to buy this grinder.
I prefer zp6
Thank you for the quick reply. Do you still start around 5 for your 1 cup v60’s? Ive only had mine a short while and trying to get the best out of it. Thanks
Yeah! I do.
👍 thank you for replying to my questions.
absolutely!
Has anyone tried these gen 2 burrs for espresso in a DF64 (or similar?). Whenever I’ve asked this, I always get the “Ode can’t grind for espresso!” answer… but I wonder if this burr could grind fine enough with the right motor.
Hah I just wrote this same comment. I see he answered the same question in another comment and he said, "can do espresso! Yes. But you are going to be grinding at touch point or tighter for light coffees."
@@Foolsauce good to know! I recently got SSP Cast Burrs, which based on some reviews and Joe at espresso outlet’s opinion I for whatever reason thought would be a great well rounded upgrade for my DF64P for espresso.
I’m finding that I have very limited range and am struggling to get decent 1:2-2.5 shots for my milk drinks. I have had better luck with longer straight shots with very light roasts (and/or at lower pressures), but am still in a very limited grind range right above chirp.
I was considering throwing my casts into my Ode V2, and getting something else for the DF64P (or just selling it and getting a Timemore 078s, depending on how those burrs review… I’m getting really sick of the static/clogging issues with my DF). I considered trying my Ode V2 burrs for espresso since I haven’t heard of anyone actually trying them 🤷🏻♂️
I got those for Christmas for my ode 1.1 and they are a game changer! Sweet, good body, nice acidity although I have noticed a muddy bed and many fines. Haven't seasoned tho so it could change. Also I struggled with shim alligning them because of their backside geometry. Any tips?
Tons of fines are inevitable I'm afraid with these machines because they go at an insanely fast speed for some strange reason 1400 rpm !! I overlooked this before I bought my Gen 2 unfortunately, and realized it when it was too late to send it back. You can read my comments on it above. I can't help think it was planned into their marketing strategy because how simple is it to slow the motor down, like a lot? Buying one of their 'Shimmy' filters' works well but it's a whole extra step to the workflow process. I honestly don't have the motivation to use it every single time. Only days when I have extra time and I want to really taste the potential of the strains I'm working with. If you know anyone that wants to buy a fairly new Ode 2 and save some money, please let me know. Cheers
Where are you getting this information thay higher RPM with flats equates to more fines? It isn't accurate. It is for cones...
@@ciejaygear nah that's not it. As Lance already said fines on higher rpm is with conicals not flat burrs. Also I wouldn't reach that far into the cookie jar and claim it was intentional to sell a different product. The shimmy has a different target demographic. It's an easy way to improve a cheap grinder without investing into a more expensive one. Why would they Programm a smart rpm which adjusts the rpm when they would know it leads to a worse cup. Nah man, I know cooperations often only profit on mind but intentionally making a product worst would just harm them instead of selling more shimmys. Your reasoning doesn't make sense
Why are there no grind by weight grinders ? I just want to fill the hopper, choose a grind size and gram amount like 75 grams for a full pot on my moccamaster hit go and be done...All this weighing the beans etc is just another step. Why all the BS. Why dont they have a scale built in ? Hell the OXO grinder I had for 3 years could do this and had the built in scale. I was looking to upgrade but all this is just overkill. I make drip coffee / moka pot french press and cold brew. I just want a grinder to set and go. So if I want to grind 75grams of coffee how do i know how long to let the thing run? No way to know
Just ordered a ode gen 2, it’s time to retire my varia hand grinder that was driving me nuts and making my left forearm look like Popeyes