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Out Of My Cold, Dead Hands: America's Love Affair with Guns
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
- In the wake of two recent mass shootings, and inspired by a recent OnlySky article on American guns, homicide, suicide, and mental health (bit.ly/3LmCwjk), Seth Andrews shares his thoughts on the subject, drawn from his 2020 book, "Confessions of a Former Fox News Christian."
When I think back to my ninth grade year, I am profoundly grateful Mr. Griswold, my algebra teacher, didn't have a .45 in his desk drawer.
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Right on!
None of my dozens of teachers throughout my formal education should have been packing heat either.
Yeah. Who knows when that evil gun would’ve decided to jump out of its desk drawer and start shooting kids!!
Thank you for taking time to address this important topic. I fear that things will get worse in the US.
I am a gun owner in Australia (yes, we do exist!) and I absolutely abhor the mass shootings in the USA.
I use my firearms at a club for target practice and nothing more. Like Seth, my firearms are always unloaded and securely locked up. I just can't imagine living in a country where millions feel the need to carry a gun at all times because they're always fearful of their safety.
An armed society isn't a polite society. It's a fearful one.
They are fearful of their safety because there are people around them that feel the need to carry loaded guns at all times because they are fearful of their safety because there are people around them..........
@@DaniZeros Ultimately grounded in racism/sexism and fundamentalist religious fervor/persecution-complex.
I grew up in the Midwest and a lot of fuckers don't carry them for fear of their safety, it's like a big dick thing. They just wanna look badass. Tbh I think it's kinda cringe to base your identity on a weapon you don't really need, but what do I know I'm just a "snowflake"
Disarm the politicians.
If a child was hitting people with a stick, I would blame the child and not the stick. However, I would also take away the stick.
good point
Sure - but I wouldn’t take the baseball bats away from everyone else.
So the logic is if I’m understanding correctly is if a kid beats another with a stick we take all the sticks away from kids?
Apparently Sweden is full of guns and they have zero mass shootings. From my understanding, before you can own a gun in Sweden you have to apply for that gun through the police department. They do a background check and if you have ever broken the law, even a minor law you cannot own a gun. I think America could learn something from the way Sweden does it.
the world is full of examples of how to do it "proper"...not only for gun laws but the health system or infrastructure.
The US isnt very good at looking outside (many hardly ever look beyond their own borders, the ignorance is staggering) and learning from others. Much more likely the US will double down on its mistakes and errors like christian fundamentals.
Swede here, yes we have strict gun laws but you can get a gun if you really really want it. You have to apply for and get a license for each and every single gun/firearm that you want and you have to demonstrate why you need the specific gun (hunting and recreational shooting are the two valid reasons, if it's for hunting you need to have gone through a hunters program and be a licensed hunter and if its for recreational reasons you must be a member of a gun club and prove that you have the skills needed as well) and you need to have a licensed locking cabinet to store your gun in and the ammunition needs to be locked in a separate cabinet.
In modern times we have had 2 mass shootings, the first one (1994, 7 victims) where by an army man to used his service rifle and the other (1994, 4 victims) where a group of criminals that where refused entry to a night club and opened fire in retaliation (an act seen as so heinous by the other criminals that they had to be locked away in solitary so as to not be assaulted in prison).
Interestingly both where in 1994, none before and none after.
Have you ever even looked at the 4473 form you're required to fill out? If you have any criminal conviction you are denied a purchase in the us.
@@CalebBlock that's not true all over the US. These laws only work if it's true in every state. Here in NC I can sale my personal gun to who ever comes to buy it. In NC as long as you have no felony or have a domestic violence abuse charge,you can have all kinds of misdemeanors and still buy a gun.
@@tabeathahall8246 true, the personal sale laws are different per state. In Colorado we still have to do a transfer via an ffl. Regardless this kid in Texas passed his bg check but was still clearly mentally ill
I wish to put in my two cents on this.
In January 2019, I was selected for jury duty. This was the first time I was called to do so. My mom had told me to expect something simple like some kind of traffic infraction if I get called. Image my surprise when I was called to be selected for an assault & battery charge. Anyone who has been been involved in the juror selection process know that both the prosecutor and defendant will ask all potential candidates the same questions and determine if there could be any bias one way or the other. Near the end of the day, we were each asked if we owned a gun and way. While there were various answers and reasons, I was forced to answer truthfully: I do not own a gun because I may use it on myself. I do suffer from depression, I regularly see a therapist, and I limit myself so I can protect myself and others. Not everyone wants to own a gun, and I believe that I should not be allowed to own one. I don't pretend to have any answers, but I believe that there are some people should not be allowed to own a firearm of any sort.
didnt get on the jury did you
@@dom11949 Nope.
Just commenting that a day after this was released there was another shooting, this time at a hospital in Seths Home State of Oklahoma. These tragedies are the opposite of few and far between. They're growing more numerous and closer together.
I'm ashamed of our lack of action.
No. We are a country of 300 million diverse people with many different cultures, races, and tensions. The amount of shootings is normal, correct, expected, and we should not be thinking of gun control because it cannot and will not be stopped. We basically have to get used to it and increase gun ownership so there are more of us armed and ready to eliminate miscreant thugs. Although notorious and covered 24/7 on the news cycle, the frequency of deaths from shootings is minuscule. Guns must stay.
I agree. I am ashamed and confused.
as an australian, i stare in bewilderment and with complete heartbreak at a country that consistently fails to keep children safe in schools.
Nonsense. Children are safe in schools here. A few random events do not make it generally unsafe. The odds of getting shot in an elementary school remain acceptably low.
@@sandsmarc ahhh, thanks for this. they’re completely safe. there’s no risk of being shot in a classroom. it simply doesn’t happen. in no way did the government fail to keep those kids safe in school because they weren’t shot. no one is shot in school. it’s all nonsense! thanks for clearing that up.
@@sandsmarc to be honest, i’m stunned that you’d say “acceptably low” regarding individual chances if being killed in a school. i would say that there is an unacceptably high chance that children will be killed in school. also, it appears that the republicans also think it’s unacceptably high as they’ve suggested arming teachers, having only one door in a school and having armed security everywhere. why would they want that for something so statistically low?
@@sandsmarc "acceptably low" huh. How many are unacceptable?
PARABLE OF GUN CONTROL
David Frum is a staff writer at The Atlantic
A village has been built in the deepest gully of a floodplain.
At regular intervals, flash floods wipe away houses, killing all inside. Less dramatic-but more lethal-is the steady toll as individual villagers slip and drown in the marshes around them.
After especially deadly events, the villagers solemnly discuss what they might do to protect themselves. Perhaps they might raise their homes on stilts? But a powerful faction among the villagers is always at hand to explain why these ideas won’t work. “No law can keep our village safe! The answer is that our people must learn to be better swimmers-and oh by the way, you said ‘stilts’ when the proper term is ‘piles,’ so why should anybody listen to you?”
So the argument rages, without result, year after year, decade after decade, fatalities mounting all the while. Nearby villages, built in the hills, marvel that the gully-dwellers persist in their seemingly reckless way of life. But the gully-dwellers counter that they are following the wishes of their Founders, whose decisions two centuries ago must always be upheld by their descendants.
When the news about the school incident was on FB, I commented that I wasn't condoning what had happened but that "thoughts and prayers" are useless, and that instead action is need to be taken. FB AI algorithm decide that I couldn't comment for 24 hours do to the comment, Implying violence. That's not what I implying, I meant that there's a need for change.
I and many more like me don’t doubt that the majority of gun owners are responsible people. I live in the UK & would love to own a gun for target practice. However, as a member of a society, I am keenly aware that there are many others in the society with less control & more anger that would use this permission structure to obtain a weapon. This allows them the opportunity, either planned or not, to do great harm to others. Many equate these dangers disingenuously to those of car ownership despite the massive utility of cars and the lack of the same for guns. After the Hungerford & Dunblane massacres we decided that the right to own guns was outweighed by the possibility of the harm that right might allow. Sometimes in order to live peacefully together we, as citizens, surrender some esoteric privileges to maintain an ordered society. That is citizenship, that is pragmatism. The claims of the right that they bear arms to prevent ‘tyranny’ was already unrealistic & flippant. Military cosplayers taking on the Army is the plot of Red Dawn not a realistic goal. But when Trump sent federal forces into a sovereign state, uninvited & unwanted, wearing no ID to pull citizens of Portland into unmarked vehicles for the crime of protesting it laid bare the dishonesty of this aim. The 2nd Amendment tyranny fighters just cheered him on. What a sham! I would love to live in a world where we can all trust each other entirely but we just don’t. When religious extremists like Greg Locke start screaming about using force & claiming their invisible deity supports their efforts it’s time to reduce & regulate weapons before something really terrible happens. Thanks
What did I hear one time in America a poor man can become a rich man. In America a wimp can be a man as long as he has a gun in his hand.
You are very right. Many of these gun fanatics (not all) are cowards who live in fear. Having guns makes them feel powerful. I always think of the movie Taxi Driver. Travis Bickell was a little no one who lived in fear. He was a racist as well. He was scared shitless of black men. So what does he do? He loads up on guns. He walks around with like twenty guns on him all the time. Some people look at him like he's a "tough guy", but what i see is the embodiment of fear. This is a small, fearful man who lives in fear. Of course he is a fictional character, but i have known people like him.
Guns and the gun worshipping culture are certainly part of the problem. But I think the main problem is a brutal society that creates a lot of anger, racism, discrimination, inequity, ignorance, arrogance, xenophobia, etc.
agreed. For example, everyone in Switzerland is required to own a firearm. We don't see mass shootings there however, because the culture isn't OBSESSED with not only violence, but like you said, also all of the other horrible things that our society claims to abhor, but openly embraces time and time again. We need a major culture shift to go along with massive changes to gun laws, and that is not something that can be accomplished by mindless neoliberals, or fascists right wingers. I have no answers here, as I know many of us don't. I just know that nothing but thoughts and prayers is the stupidest fucking bullshit I have ever heard of.
I agree. I think removing guns is like treating a part of the symptoms, but not the disease. I was once told by a Canadian friend that I need to buy me a gun to protect my family. And I told him that I see no need, that I'm more afraid of my family getting hurt by a gun-accident and that I feel safer without any firearms in my house. I'm also not afraid that anyone would come to my house and harm my family. I live in Norway. I trust that the police is there for us to protect us. But to be perfectly honest, I don't even think that a lot of protection is needed, because I can't think of anybody around here that is that desperate and disturbed to commit such horrible crimes. People are in general taken care of. I think the state and society is taking care of each other. You get medical- (both physical and psychological) and social-help if you need it. And I believe that is doing a big job in preventing these crimes. Preventing criminals and potential criminals from getting a gun is one thing, preventing people from becoming criminals is the more important task in my opinion.
Trump!
In a perfect world-a list too long to put down here would change but I can do a few. I’m older-over 60. All my life-media-books-games & later computer related items have been filled with war-violence-vain glory with stories that fed the need for supremacy over someone (Countries) or a cause. To the victor goes the spoils and any attempt to foil it meant death. I don’t like violence any more than another who believes peace is better but I’d be a fool to not see how easy it is to be a tool to do just that--fool others to gain control. Emotions have their place but reality of history is that people use weapons to get what they want, whether it is revenge or ? Bombs, knives, guns, poisons, cars, etc. don’t kill by themselves. Morality is disappearing into the abyss along with character. Chaos is growing-gutting Society is showing. Our Government cannot agree-are on a spending spree. When I see a famous person visiting a recently ravaged city (mass shooting) with personal Security Guards I see hypocrisy. Especially when that person advocates confiscation of guns. Especially when they advocate certain people being labeled racist without knowing them. Especially when they live in gated communities. The crumbling of Society started a long time ago-more was ignored than doing something. Throwing $$ at the problem never changed a heart bent on destruction. Taking guns away is a concern when the real possibilities of past turn outs with tyrannical governments means death in massive numbers. Our Government hasn’t stopped the drug overdoses-suicides-sex trafficking, porn epidemic, etc. etc. I’d say we have significant problems that go waaaay beyond gun grabs. I’d be concerned about criminals who don’t follow law period-as they won’t give their guns up truthfully. Deceit is deep. Most law abiding citizens don’t obsess over guns nor crave opportunities to use them like a drug addict. As far as prayers-I see them as aligning ones heart with belief in a greater good. There are times when we haven’t got more to give because we are not made of $$$ nor is everyone’s health the best nor in a place to be involved nor meet another’s approval of what they should be doing. Far more care but focus on being responsible for those in their life-community. The “love affair with guns” made idols of people paid enormous amounts of $$$$$$. The background check failures are not the gun’s fault. Not doing anything over threats by children along the way to a mass murder was not the fault of the weapon they chose. Am I my brothers keeper? Echoes …reflections in the tears of grieving people fill pages-time, many never recorded or made $ from. I don’t trust those in power in our Government. Going for the means to defend oneself is expected in a dying Country. I don’t want to be the one holding the body of a loved one killed in violence anymore than another. True change comes within. That is a choice.
I've faced down people with guns and talked them out of hurting someone three times, and once I took a gun away from a guy who was shooting up our workplace. On none of those four occasions was I armed. La Pierre's wrong, it's not the only way.
Something doesn't smell right here and I don't think it's gunpowder. What are the odds of all that? Not saying that these things can't happen, but a workplace shooter usually ends their own life or flees and gets shot by police. Those who are apprehended are univerally taken in by the police, not their coworkers. The casual and brief way you mention it, and the fact that this is a statistical anomoly in that act by itself, let alone having three other incidents... just smacks of pathological lying.
@@DonHall666 Well, I'm not lying. The first time happened at a motel I worked at when a woman tried to kill her husband's girlfriend. The second was a drunk security guard waving a pistol at a bunch of Mormons in an elevator. The third was a neighbor who felt dissed holding a shotgun on a couple. And the workplace shooting was a guy trying to off himself after firing several shots and not hitting anyone. When I walked in after hearing the shots I saw a guy holding a gun on a girl, a revolver. Turned out she was his sister trying to get the gun from him. He was too busy with her to notice me. But you don't have to believe me, I don't care. BS stands for black swan, and those were my monogrammed initials on a hat I was wearing that day. Run the stats on that.
@@smitisan4984 Fair enough, I don't have a good reason not to believe you since you maintain these things happened. I think it's fair to say how unusual your experience is though.
As an aside, one thing they teach you in CC class is how to avoid situations where you would need to use your gun. Your original point was that you don't need a gun to resolve these confrontations, but as a counterpoint a responsible and attentive gun owner would be moving away from the subject or scene, not confronting them if the situation allows. The gun is just a possible opportunity to counter escalated violence without the chance to retreat with an ability to survive. In your situation at any point, the person with the gun could have used it on you and the result would have been your demise. That you can speak about them is as much a testament to luck as it is to the ability of humans to reason with each other. On the other hand, violence escalating to gun use is a reason to not have them in the first place. I doubt the US will ever get there though.
It is because he chose not to shoot. But otherwise its impossible to compare musclepower, which only animals can have with the power of any human weapon or even that of any malee weapon other than a gun with that of a gun.
Americans are obsessed with their guns because they are very fearful people. I really kind of pity them. They're afraid of vaccines, sex education, LGBTQ people, immigrants, any kind of change or progress, etc. I can't imagine how terrible it must be to live one's life in fear that way.
Religion does that to you.
@@littlebitofhope1489 indeed, I see a lot of bad things happening because of the religious "freedom" and the governments failure to seperate religion from laws
We are not fearful of LBGTQ , Vaxs or immigrants. As a Latino living in Florida I work in a very diverse workplace. We all get along male and females. Different views and all. For years is been like this here even my community. Is not fear to no specific group or individuals. Yes there is ignorant people but in my life living here maybe met 2 or three and that was years ago.
Something I always love about this podcast is that it taught to question everything and be open to conversations.
You can then choose to pray or worship a non-existent god to resolve it all for you.
@@MunozSam fear is very much part of American history and culture. It has been from before the United States existed as a nation. Fear of Native Americans. Fear of the devil by the puritans. Fear of the black slave and the possibility of a slave revolt. Fear of the Mexican. Fear of the communist. Fear of the Russian. Fear of China. Fear of lgbt people. Fear of cultural change. These fears have motivated Americans to arm themselves for centuries. Americans are a fearful people who fetishize guns because they are afraid of pretty much everything. As a gay man and an American, i can tell you that many Americans sure are scared of lgbt people. What were the rumors that surfaced pretty much immediately after the latest shooting in Texas? "The shooter was transgender". He wore makeup and crossdressed." Good ole trans and gay panic in the "home of the brave".
Yes I grew up in the 1980s during the satanic panic🙄 that is to say the least an interesting time in human history.
I hope the UA-cam algorithm comes your way very soon because you make such good contents.
Thank you Seth.
When were assault rifles made legally available to the public? I don't remember people having these in the 70's and 80's. If we didn't have legal access to assault rifles in the past, did the American people feel oppressed and denied of their right to have them? I don't remember that being an issue.
What is an assault rifle? Is it any different than an assault vehicle?
@@justsayin3647 I didn’t create the definition. I’m just referring to the type weapon as the definition is generally understood. An AR-15 is understood to meet this definition of being an assault rifle.
Apparently, as of recently, assault rifles are used in most “mass” killings, but knives and pistol firearms are killing the most people every year.
@@SteveJones379 To my knowledge, the AR-15 specifically was patent protected. So it took some time before anyone other than Colt could sell them. Back then, I believe, M1 Carbines were quite popular as a surrogate assault gun.
AR-15 sold to US civilians for over 50 years.
I am a gun owner myself. I have lived in Texas for over 30 years, I bought my first gun while in college, I have fired all types and calibers of guns over the course of my life and have received fairly extensive training with them, and I generally like and am fascinated by guns.
I could almost be described as a stereotypical gun owner...if not for the facts that I refuse to carry (concealed or open), that I believe thorough background checks are not even the barest of minimums that are need to be done, and I want to see the NRA and its closest related and associated groups (like the GOA) get treated as terrorist organizations and get shredded and shut down. Name a self-described "pro-gun" politician, and I would not shed any tears if a story ever occurs of someone using their laws to add them to the list of victims of their laws - no, I am not advocating or implying that I want to see any violence be done to these politicans, and anyone who does commit it should be punished severely and immediately... just that I will not be crying at all over any such event.
I like the guns that I have, but I am more interested in the mechanisms than the intended uses for them. My favorite piece in my small collection (it is only half a dozen) is my late great uncle's M1 Garand, which was issued to him when he served in US Army and was sent to the Philippines during WW2 (he was a part of MacArthur's escort from the beach). The gun was never modified, all of its numbers match the records, and the provenance was confirmed and certified. I have fired that gun (mostly at paper targets at ranges - it was used to kill some wild hogs, but I did not do the shooting for that), and it was fascinating to experience all aspects of it. Having such a piece of family history leaves me in awe, and I am more focused on preserving it rather than using it. The story my great uncle gave was that while he had fired at Japanese soldiers while in the Philippines - soldiers that were shooting at him and his unit - as far as he knew, he never killed any (and he hoped until his death that he really did not), and he was simply grateful to have gotten through his service intact. His story undoubtedly fed into me utterly despising armchair warriors and generals.
On a side note, one video game critic I listen to describes such people that he calls the target for the latest first-person-shooter games with statements like "have become quite literal armchair generals now that their body fat has fused to the upholstery," "as they have violent grunting s^x with a pile of damp moss," and "deranged-paranoid-power-fantasy-for-right-wing-shut-ins-who-would-blow-their-own-nuts-off-the-moment-they-were-handed-an-actual-firearm-and-probably-already-have-done shooter." I cannot help but see that the ways he describes these gun psychos were even more accurate than maybe he could have thought possible.
While I want to believe that I would be prepared to use lethal force if it is absolutely necessary to defend my loved ones, I must say that I have never pointed any gun at anyone, loaded or not, and I hope I never have to. The thought of having to take someone's life horrifies me, and the few animals I have shot and killed have all clearly shown to be rabid, which made them quite dangerous to leave unchecked. Not only have I never carried in public, but I always keep them locked away, bringing them out only for the occasional cleaning and the even more occasional dealing with dangerous animals, which, thankfully, has been quite rare. I like all of the guns I have, but I have no qualms about turning them in if it means having improved public health and safety. About the only gun I would make an exception for is the aforementioned Garand. I do not care if I never fire it again, I just want to keep a piece of history in the family. I would still part with it, but it would be the most difficult for me. If I could keep it if, say, it was deactivated, I would jump at that chance. The sole reason I want to keep it is its personal history, and history of any kind has always fascinated me.
As for the 2nd Amendment, I have known from the beginning that it was never meant for some loner, especially some f^^^ing right-wing nutjob, to try to outequip the National Guard. It was meant for states to staff their own militias, as the founders of the US did not trust giving the federal government its own army, hence why it starts with "well-regulated militia." Unfortunately, conflicts like the War of 1812 demonstrated quite loudly and clearly that such an arrangement would only end in utter disaster, especially if the states were not so united - much like how they were not so united back then. What the NRA did to the 2nd Amendment is beyond disgusting to me, especially after I learned of their origins. Seeing just how much they changed since Charlton Heston leaves me seething, hence the aforementioned feelings I have towards the NRA and its ilk. It was only recently that I learned of the SRA, which gives me some hope for gun owners like me - I hope they continue to grow and push back against the terrorist organization that is the NRA.
The worst part of all of this is that, even if the "pro-gun" politicians and were electorally kept out of office (i.e. not elected in the first place), things are likely to not get better. These gun psychos have turned the US into a f^^^ing Quake/CS:GO map, and they believe they can 360-no-scope through it all. I desperately want to be proven wrong on this, but given the US's history, I have no reason to expect this.
Quite a comment. Thank you. I have been selling off my guns over the years down to just home defense. Have not shot any of them for years.
Like you, I find the the mechanisms interesting.
I do have a Mosin that I would like to keep as a functional art piece but given the times, guns have become a type of societal filth and am ready to take my chances owning none of them.
That really was quite a comment you made. Again, Thank you.
enjoyed reading your comment as it assured me there are sane people out there, not just gun-crazed nutjobs who wield their pieces out in the open like dicks
@@Instramark If you are interested in the side note about the video game critic check out the link to one of his videos. It is old, but you do not need to necessarily know the exact details of the game (though that can easily be searched for), and he makes a few extra points that pretty much describe the entire right-wing and not just the gun psychos. There is a bit of a caution for language, and the speed might throw you off a bit, but I think you will see the points he makes.
ua-cam.com/video/QhHFx5UL0xc/v-deo.html
There are other videos from the same guy (he's been doing them for years and is still at it), and you can check those out on your own if you want to. Even if you are not interested in video games at all, I recommend checking the videos out - they are simply even more entertaining (and for some of them, even more poignant) if you are interested in video games.
Geez man, we need you running for Congress from your state! (Although we both know it's not likely you'd win. Which is unfortunate.)
@@p__b__3749 Yeah, I lived in a rural part of Texas, but I have since moved out and emigrated. That area is still quite conservative, and I highly doubt it will change anytime soon. It does not help that I generally stayed out of public view and kept my social interactions to a minimum. There was even a school shooting in that area while I lived there - no deaths, thankfully, but it was not any "good guy with a gun" that stopped the shooter and was instead the ammo used being faulty and failing (maybe that was the one silver lining to the general lack of government oversight and regulation).
That also fed into me despising organized religion, especially the blatant hypocrisy of it. They claim to love Jesus and follow his teachings, but if you try running on a platform that actually follows Jesus' teachings - i.e. help the poor, care for the sick, etc. - they instantly turn into Private Pyle on you, whether or not you make a special exception of excluding anyone with darker skin than them (I would never make that exception, but the point needed to be made).
I also doubt that me now calling Texas the cancer-ridden @$$hole of the sh^thole country that is the US will net me any significant number of votes there either. Maybe some other state - and that is a massive "maybe" with very few actual options - but definitely not Texas.
And hey, since I would be never be able to win an election there anyway, I might as well say this:
If Florida is the case of prostate cancer for the US, then Texas is that of colon cancer.
I will cry into the empty abyss with the parents and families of the Robb massacre using the words of Christ from the cross......My god, my god, why have you forsaken me? Unfortunately there has never been an answer. 😡
That's because there is no such deity and never has been.
An AR-15 isn’t an assault style weapon any more than a mustang is a race car. Unless modified, it has no burst or rapid fire ability. It might look like a military weapon but is significantly less capable.
Military-style weapons with the ability to burst or rapid fire (or any weapon with a silencer) already require registration and special permission to own.
"... mugged by a sloth" LOL!
Great Job
21:04 - Fun fact: Greeks pronounce his last name as "Easton", because Heston sounds a lot like a Greek phrase which literally means "shit him" and is colloquially used to dismiss a person (χεσ' τον/την) or a thing or issue (χεσ' το).
#TheMoreYouKnow
Now THAT is indeed a fun fact!
Great podcast
Thoughts and prayers are real easy to offer... If you want to help, do something that actually matters...
Yeah, especially if you are part of a legislative body, with actual power to do something that actually matters! Those are the people I hate to hear the words "thoughts and prayers" from, bc they have the power to do something, and when they say that, it means they don't have the courage to do it!
@@tkat6442 that's a good point!
As usual Seth, nailed it!!
I have no hope that the USA will get better. I live 30 to the USA on the Canadian side of the border. I don’t think my holidays in the USA are worth being there anymore.
One _really_ annoying attempt at a rebuttal is when they try to equivocate gun deaths with vehicular deaths, _completely_ ignoring the facts of what they were manufactured to be used for. Cars are meant for transportation, not running people over. Cleaners are meant for cleaning, not for being injected or ingested. Guns, on the other hand, _are_ meant for injury and death, they're not manufactured for any other purpose regardless what you're shooting at; with the exception of paintball guns and others such that are explicitly designed for non-lethal sport. And for all the enthusiasts who collect guns, I'd suggest permanently disabling the assault weapons, at least. That way they couldn't even be _accidentally_ used in the wrong hands.
Or when they go full whataboutism citing traffic deaths, cancer and on and on.
Pro-life? More like pro-dumb, and yes, it's the same crowd.
Guns are meant to get a projectile from one place to another in a hurry. That could be used for target shooting, vermin control, self defense, etc.
Saying guns are only for killing people is the equivalent of saying cars are only for speeding.
@@ausnetting You just couldn't help that right wing urge to confirm OP's statement, mh?
@@bladerunner3314 actually, I’m not right wing, I just have no time for fallacious arguments. It makes it harder to find compromise and consensus, which results in ZERO action being taken. How well has that worked out for us so far?
@@ausnetting Right, and because you are right, the US is the only nation with this problem.
Talking about fallacies.
Claiming that current civilian weapons are useless against the military either neuters your claim that an AR-15 is an assault weapon, or is immediately falsified as former military personnel are included in the civilian population resisting the government.
A tyrannical government isn’t going to level cities with artillery, they’re going to have to go house to house, and they will need to face their fellow Americans.
A soldier is likely also going to find it much less objectionable to arrest innocent citizens when there’s no threat of violence, as opposed to being told they’re likely going to have to go and kill their neighbors.
Seth, you have blown my mind!
I heard that in the Netherlands you can own pistols but the bullets are kept at the shooting range.
Just watched aron ra on the lawmakers bullshit gish gallop.
Last trip to my hometown in Canada. There was a shooting. The way my Canadian family looked and acted was horrified. I had no idea how used to it I was til that moment. Shootings Don't Happen. Is what they said. It's rare in Canada
I definitely think America needs more regulations, but the biggest issue is that we're flooded with guns already. The borders don't help this situation, as many guns are brought here illegally. You can also print guns with a 3D printer. Laws only have so much of an effect on people who are already going to break the law.
I'm licensed and trained, went through background checks, etc. But I wouldn't be willing to surrender my firearm. Maybe it's different if you're a man or live in a safer area, but I've been stalked, followed home, cornered in parking lots, and I wouldn't feel safe without a weapon on me. I don't trust the police to get to me on time if something happens. I don't trust that bystanders would help me. I've learned the hard way that sometimes, you're the only person who can help yourself.
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Thoughts
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Like cake in a crisis ~Maynard
Hi Seth. Very thoughtful.
I admit I'm prone to lump US gun owners into the Confederate-flag-waving bucket, as you put it. But from the perspective of a European, the US's gun-ownership situation and the justifications put up for it are so far removed from what I consider a peaceable society that even the smallest participation is still part of the madness. It's like being told that a friend in Saudi Arabia only obliges his wife/daughter to keep silent when they are outside.
Some of us gun owners hate the CSA seditious theocracy weenie-wagger Republican demoniacs...and have no problem with gun control to keep us all safer from psychos.
You get enough target practice keeping ground squirrels out of the cows pastures. They leave holes and our cows got stuck in them quite s few times even breaking ankles. Useful tool when raising cattle is the priority over ground squirrels.
“The good guy with a gun” theory seems to have been somewhat flawed.
0:08 _"It's not a person, it's a timbale*"_ ba *da* tsh
*=Poking at it, it sounds more like thimble, but then I couldn't made the "ba da tsh" joke.
Don't you have gates on your schools with security guards guarding it? Here in our country, you can't bring even a slingshot in our schools.
Astronomers estimate that the sun has about 7 billion to 8 billion years left before it sputters out and dies. One way or another, humanity may well be long gone by then.
Hey Seth. You may want to watch Beau of the Fifth Column here on UA-cam. He has several videos on the topic of the problems with public perception of gun control. However all his videos are pretty good for people interested in being rational human beings ❤️
ua-cam.com/video/5ZoYEiui7iM/v-deo.html
Like this one for instance 😊
The sad part about this podcast, even before i dive into it, is knowing that from the time of one shooting and till the time the podcast came out, there is more mass killings. Even as I write this we got out of a weekend where there were MANY mass shootings.
Is this the price of freedom?
As a gun owner.. and a Anti-theist, and a humanist. I am against NRA ..I am an against use of any weapon , especially firearms for anything but explicitly self defense last resort actions... (Excluding hunting for food) .
This problem we have in America is a gun problem.. it has nothing to do with the freedom of owning guns.. it is this laissez-faire attitude towards guns .
This gun violence is abhorrent and is a result of gross negligence towards use of guns, ownership, access to, and other areas and issues.
Are these thoughts and prayers going to actually reverse the decision to have those children dead? It has it ever happened in my lifetime that I’ve seen innocent human beings brought back to life by this God that they choose to worship who apparently claims to be able to perform miracles but absolutely positively does not do one damn miracle ever.
He chooses to do so very selectively, with only Israelites and Jesus etc.
I have recently become a handgun owner, but I am beyond disgusted and sick at what this nation values. Clearly, unfettered gun ownership and access is more important than human life. The majority of people in this country understand this problem, but as long as lobbyists and dark money controls our lawmaking and governmental powers, we are doomed to be subject to these contemptuous psychopaths. I am ready for extensive background checks, and a psych eval before you are allowed to legally purchase a firearm. Make the penalty for illegal ownership much more severe, and have community events where people can turn in their illegal, or legal guns, for food vouchers, or other vital services. There are SOOOOO many options to turn this around, but we have to stop allowing petty tyrants to divide us with cheap, divisive rhetoric, and start threatening to hit them where it counts: their wallet. We need to start threatening general strikes, walkouts, etc. We still control the GDP in this country, it's about goddamn time we flex that muscle, and put these people in their place.
I like to think I "live" common sense gun laws simply by the respect and also fear I hold for guns. I think living in the US owning a gun might be necessary to defend me and my loved ones but owning a tool that can snuff out human life in an instant frightens me beyond belief. Shooting a gun is fun...so is driving trucks and heavy duty vehicles. Theres a reason why access to one of those limited to those with adequate training coming with checks and responsebilities.
Hint...its not the guns.
So far I have limited my defense goals to having several baseball bats strategically placed throughout my home. I ve seen road rage or karen raging in person. Thinking that any of these unhinged people might pack a gun and would use it in the heat of the moment because they think they have the right to own and carry their guns fills me with fear and the last time I was out on a come-together spotting somebody openly carrying, that was the moment I was leaving not wanting to have anything to do with this mentality.
I cry over the loss of life, I cry even more over the "I dont give a shit" mentality that dominates this country.
@@fritzhaselnuss7852 I share many of your sentiments, and agree for the most part. This is clearly, like most things, not a simple issue, with a simple solution. I just know sending thoughts and prayers, and saying it's a sin problem, like the right loves to do endlessly, is so dismissive, cynical, and useless to the conversation, that I cannot even stomach a friend echoing that shit. Yeah, if people want to hurt someone, they will find a way to do it, I get it, I'm not stupid. (not insinuating you are saying that, btw, just saying this in general to this argument) However if you hand that person a rock, vs a nuke, you get a much different outcome. If every asshole on the planet had nukes, we'd have nuclear warfare constantly, but because every asshole on the planet doesn't have a nuke (with many arguable exceptions) we don't have constant nuclear warfare. (not really a thing, because mutually assured destruction would kick in pretty fast here, but you get the idea) So is the problem there the people, or the nukes? Well, both, but if they didn't have the nukes, they wouldn't be able to cause NEARLY as much destruction. It's not a very complex concept, but when you wrap it all into some misguided god complex, and 'god given rights' blah blah blah, now we are talking about concepts that are difficult to untangle and deal with in a straightforward, logical, reasonable way. I of course am applying this to assault style weapons, and weapons only designed for military combat, that are littering our streets, and easier to get than weed in many places.
I recently saw the original Planet of the Apes movie again in which Charleton Heston played the lead role. It was a very anti-establishment movie.
I guess Chuck, like Ronald Reagan, were true actors that said anything just for money.
theres a reason why they are called "actors" you know
@@fritzhaselnuss7852
Yes there is a reason they are called actors and I am starting to ask myself, what is more deadly, the actual weapon or the weapons of media words and propaganda?
At least, bring back the Brady Bill.
Well, some people deserve to be replaced.....
I used to be close to the "from my cold dead hands" types. I owned "assault rifles" [semi-auto versions only]. And I defended it many times. But with age....and maturity, I have come to understand the other side of the debate. I own firearms and only take them to the range. I don't shoot at anything that is alive. These days, it's pretty much 22lr pistols and rifles. I do own a 357mag/38 Special lever action rifle that doesn't go out much and is more of a tribute to history.
I get the notion of "no one owning AR-15 style rifles". Would that stop violence? Maybe a little. Most mass shootings are done with handguns...but the AR-15 tends to appear more ominous because of the design and magazine capacity...so often ends up hurting or killing more in a quicker time frame. And what is most damning is the number of mass shootings in this country compared to others. And I note that politicians run from this on the "pro-gun" side. Probably the NRA would as well.
But Seth mentioned "surrendering firearms". That sounds good.....but some of these cost a lot of money...and were legally purchased. A government requiring you to hand over expensive equipment is going to cause a LOT of backlash. You would have far more being okay with it, then. Money is tight. You tell people they'll have to surrender, without compensation, anything, there will be a problem. Right or not, that will happen. To fix this, there would need to be a fair amount offered to those who turn these types of firearms in.
If you want a terribly apt comparison on the only difference between Joshua and Hitler was automatic weapons.
And the next day mass shooting in Seth's hometown. How sad
Australian ex-pat living in the US.
Australia and NZ have gone too far with their gun control, but they also don’t have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
The data from Australia also do not support the claims made about gun control. Per capita gun deaths and suicides have admittedly dropped precipitously since guns were essentially banned. However, per capita murders and suicides have shown no such drop - showing that while guns aren’t the method of choice now, gun control has done little if anything to save lives.
Australia had the right to bear arms but it was overturned by Act of Parliament after the Port Arthur massacre. Apparently you could buy all sorts of weapons before that.
The US has a Constitutional right to bear arms but the Constitution requires 2/3rds of Congress to change it. It just takes 50% of parliament to overturn Australias gun laws.
I agree the conversation should be around both guns and mental health. Don’t agree with banning guns or giving mine either. And yes prayers and thoughts don’t do anything, it’s lazy and empty.
We need more resources and education when it comes to mental health and also on guns safety.
I’m a 2A supporter but don’t think teachers should be armed at all.
How about instead of parents being classroom help, or working in the canteen or doing crossing duty, they take their weaponry on a rotation to patrol the perimeters of their kindergartens
While listening to this I briefly had the thought that (as ghoulish as this is to consider) maybe if there were a mass shooting at an NRA meeting, then *maybe* they would start to actually consider gun reform at some minor amount. That would be too little too late, of course, and I would hope it doesn't happen even if such a thing were to possibly spur on some actual action. But let's be real here, at this point I don't even think *that* would make them give up or even consider properly regulating guns.
Everyone is packing at an NRA meeting though. I've been to their fundraiser dinners. Most of the people are carrying at these events
Paraphrasing a section of an NPR article about the latest NRA event, “firearms were allowed at the NRA convention but guns would not be permitted during Trump’s session.” It just doesn’t make sense to me.
As for a mass shooting at a NRA meeting changing their minds, I doubt it would. These are the same people who literally fought over masks and self medicated with horse dewormer. They call young adults “bleeding heart liberals” that go off to college and return home more educated and worldly. These people have lost or never had critical thinking skills.
Most of all, they are COWARDS! I say cowards b/c they are irrationally afraid of:
Science, math, reading, public school curriculum in general, change, difference, woman in charge, people from other countries, people of color, education, their God not being real, other religions, atheism, truth, government, giving someone a helping hand via the government, homosexuals, transgender, gender labels, two moms, two dads, the consensus of top medical professionals, other people in general, idk… the list goes on and on. It’s one thing to be afraid or shy about one or some of these things but these people seem to all be afraid of all of these things. It blows my mind.
Last thought…
Look, I’m not a genius. I’m probably about average. It just seems that about 30% of Americans are something else. Idk what to call it. A thought that crosses my mind from time to time is evolution. Is it terrible to say that, I wonder if we are seeing evolution in real time. Like thousands of years from now, will there be multiple types of humans? Does that make sense? I’m not an evolution expert and I already noted that I’m not super smart so don’t attack me on the wording/specifics here.
@@skepticalotter2983 Interesting comment. There have been multiple variations of humans throughout history. Check out North02 Channel for more of what I am talking about (pre history). Thank you for posting I enjoyed reading your thoughts. Of course they wouldn't want people attending with Trump there, that is a possible assassination in the making. I haven't been to official NRA meetings, but rather "friends of the NRA" which are more like fundraising banquets. And honestly, they are pretty fun events. But pretty much everyone is carrying at these events (unless you are drinking, which is illegal to carry while being intoxicated) I am not an NRA member. I went to a very liberal school - CU Boulder, but I have become a gun owner since. The events of all these shootings are beyond tragic. but I do not want the rights of the many to be destroyed because of lunatics. Stronger BG checks? YES. Secure our schools like we do airports and other places? YES. These people seek out soft targets. You're not going to be able to get rid of the firearms that already exist in this country - and that is what bugs me about the left is they seem to have selective magical thinking on this issue. It's not realistic.
@@CalebBlock Thanks. I’ve only recently started commenting on real topics online so, definitely appreciate you not just reading but also providing a thoughtful response in return. I too am a gun owner. Have been for almost a couple decades now. I grew up in the country and moved back a few years ago. I agree that guns aren’t going away in the US. I’d like them to stay but I also am willing to give up every gun I own if it meant one more child wasn’t going to be murdered on their class. I know plenty of people who refuse to get a CCW or to buy guns at a place that registers them. They do this just b/c they don’t want the government to know what guns they have. I can’t bring myself to understand why Americans (typically) Republicans are so fearful all the time? If the government wants your guns, they have the firepower to get your guns. I also find it hard to understand why so many people (again, mainly republicans) are hell bent on thinking others and/or the government want to take their rights away. As long as we are a democracy, I feel like we will be ok. I don’t know what the answer is, I just know that we as a nation have got to change something in regards to our gun laws. No other major country has this issue. It blows my mind that a 4th grade student can literally have the face shot off (while at school) and have the nations first reaction is “YEW AIN’T TAKIN’ MUH GUNS”.
Also, I don’t mean anything bad when I said “typically republicans “. I’m just stating what I see and what some statistics I’ve read say. I think we need different points of view in congress. I’d prefer more than 2 main parties but I don’t just want a bunch of liberals running around lol.
48:00 - Gun advocates _might_ have a point about mental health being a significant factor if they didn't vote against such care and resources.
People have dehumanized the "other" to the point they can murder them and feel righteous about it. You can't legislate that. More gun restrictions won't help, obviously. I wish I had an idea that would.
"Mugged by a sloth". Thank you.
Seth, I haven't gotten to hear this yet, just seeing the title, everyone should look up and hear 'Cold Dead Hands' by Jim Carrey about charlton heston, not long after he died. He'd been the head of NRA and a religious nut! 👍💙💖🥰✌
Excellant!
Australia and Britain do not border countries where there is a breakdown of law.
They do not have leftist sending hosts of immigration lawyers to said border to ensure that anyone can walk across. Guns and drugs will continue to pour over the border.
We also have a large contingent of people who would abolish police. All this does not translate well for law abiding citizens as they will not be guaranteed safety since I doubt police would have support to go into the places where guns would be illegally possessed and take them.
I would be good with more gun control if both sides could find common ground.
There arent many options
Ban guns completely and spend billions of dollars and many lives on the war against guns, both in rural white America and inner-city America. Then spend more on tighter border security.
Allow single shot guns for hunting only with strict regulation. Double up on campus security. Have special permits for semi pistols for extremely well vetted citizens. This comes in handy when there is something like a machete rampage. Ban all semi-auto rifles. I could go on and on. I just do not see the will on BOTH sides to do these things.
Do a show on lawful civilian carry and defensive use of guns, though it would hurt the prevailing main narrative.
May 25, 2022, the day after Uvalde, you ignored along with the rest of the media, a concealed carrying permitted woman who stopped a mass shooting by charging at and dropping the shooter.
See Jeanne Assam, Joel Myrick, Stephen Willeford.
As many mass shootings are stopped by armed civilians, as by police interventions, and when civilians respond, there's 20% the casualty counts.
If we'd started allowing and encouraging armed school staff the day after Columbine, we'd have seen the end of this fad.
The ongoing scourge of school shooters is owed to those idiots who, when the subject of armed staff comes up, scream "Guns don't belong in schools!" in the face of overwhelming evidence that "they fu
1.) "...a well-regulated militia..." Because we have a whole bunch of unregulated militias running around now!
2.) Jesus also said, "If you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword."
Done arguing with you fools. Cold. Dead. Hands. Bring it.
The research quoted around minutes 43 to 46 comparing the lifestyles and attitudes of liberals and conservatives may be summarized quite simply: liberals are liberal, and conservatives are conservatives.
Seth, I've heard that people who are really into guns are compensating for their small penises. Is there any truth to that caricature?
I imagine the bigger the truck these ammosexuals drive, the smaller the appendage.
My parents, while not Christians and not necessarily full-on QAnon folks, definitely subscribe to a lot of this nonsense. Back when it looked like Chump was going to lose the election they went around and tried to buy all the ammo they could for their guns, and they have quite a few of them, and I heard both of them at various times talk about how hard they found it to find shells. TO be clear I definitely enjoy target shooting, a scary thought for some I'm sure since I happen to be totally blind, but that only occurs under very carefully controlled conditions with others around. But I definitely support thorough background checks, repeatedly if necessary to make sure that each gun owner remains competant enough to handle them responsibly and safely. If you want to talk about scary thoughts, about four years ago the state of Iowa apparently grated blind people the right to concealed carry for self-defense.
Seth I have proposed this and received great feedback on social media. I have emailed my senators but if you see any way its could help, please help get it out. Raise the purchase age to 21 or higher. Initial purchases would be limited to small caliber single fire weapons. In a step system , responsible gun ownership over time and compliance, purchase of higher caliber more potentially lethal weapons are available for purchase. Weapons would need classes and each step would permit a higher class purchase. Most current gun owners would be allowed to grandfather in. This would not penalize law abiding responsible gun owners while restricting weapons from those who have not shown their responsibility. The federal gvt. Could also hold a voluntary buyback. Most gun owners in have shown this have said they could back this is a compromise.
Stop the world ... I want to get off.
It's always interesting that the pro-gun lobby always states directly that the problem is the perpetrator, weather it be mental issues, "wrong race" or in this case erroneously blaming it on a trans person. Isn't all that arguments for stricter gun control since that is what stops people like that from having a gun?
I believe that more people are injured and killed by automobiles but you don’t hear about anyone going after those.
@@justsayin3647 you believe wrong (the total number of gun deaths have gone past the total number of car deaths in 2021) but you seem to also completely miss the fact that there exists more strict car and drivers license control in the US than gun control.
So if you want to equate guns with cars then you just argued for increased gun control.
Seth, have you seen this clip produced by The Good Liars during the NRA convention?
Thoughts and prayers:
ua-cam.com/video/yTCXGAeLGHw/v-deo.html
Mean while in Canada we've had 4 copy cat shootings but because it's so hard to get guns here they used pellet guns so victims had minor injuries. The only death was a perpetrator who refused to put down his weapon when approached by police.
We still get gang violence, but most of THEIR weapons get smuggled in from the States. There's a lowest common denominator here, but Americans refuse to see it.
It may be hard to get one legally, but not illegally. Have you ever tried to do that? Does Canada outlaw heroin? How hard is it for someone to get it there? I'd bet not that hard. So what are those copy cat shootings you speak of?
Really? The police killed a shooter who had a pellet gun that, as you stated, inflicts only minor damage? The police killed a man who could only cause minor injuries? Must be hell living in Canada.
@@markshipley6119 That's right. And what about the murders and rapes which could have been prevented by armed victims?
@@paulmoss8203 When there's a gun threat, you don't wait to find out if the gun is real.
This is hilarious, and from three years ago, about the idea of arming kids in schools Kinder Guardians | Who Is America? | Sacha Baron Cohen SHOWTIME Series ua-cam.com/video/QkXeMoBPSDk/v-deo.html
I think the only solution is to start arming primary school children! Some 4 year olds can be very mature and the training would be straightforward. Also what about the rights of children to bear arms! The only way to stop a bad child with a gun is to have a good child with a gun!
I'm here because of Filthyfrank
Your claim that the second amendment was written regarding ancient firearms is unfounded.
Sure - the long rifle was most common then, but do you really think the founding fathers didn’t know that technology gets better? Of course they did. They were more concerned that people be allowed to be armed and able to defend themselves against a wayward government.
I have yet had time to listen to this but I want to point out a thing. Gun control do not solve gun violence. The only people you punish with stricter rules on guns are people willing to follow the laws anyway. Those people are very much not likely to do crimes with guns. Those who are willing to do crimes with guns will get guns no matter what rules and controls you have. Criminals will not follow the laws, so it is pointless to create laws for people that do not follow them. You only punish those that follow laws with stricter laws, and maybe you will even cause more people to not follow the laws because of your increase demand for control over other people.
I don't see nothing wrong with some gun control nobody is trying to take anybody's guns away from them. But it says something when you have a country where there's more guns than are our citizens. Switzerland is also a country that has a lot of guns but you don't see these massacres over there. And I'm all for self-defense. But I don't think people should be able to own RPGs or flamethrowers or mortars etc. And I've noticed some people are okay with gun control as in Ronald Reagan when he was governor of California he had no problem with gun control once he found out that black people had guns and could use them for self-defense.
In Canada, our gun control laws largely keep guns out of the hands of maniacs. Do you know where the maniacs who DO get guns get them from? They get smuggled in from the states. From YOU guys. Canada would have even LESS gun violence if you guys had reasonable gun legislation.
Cloud Seeker Ok, by your logic, we should do away with locking our houses too. I mean, criminals can get around the locks right? And Drugs should be legal too for the same reasons you gave for drugs. In fact LET'S JUST DO AWAY WITH ALL LAWS BECAUSE CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW THEM ANYWAY. SMDH Do you people actually READ what you write?
@@BlackEpyon Yep, you are 100% correct.
I think you should stop and try to analyze structure of your logic.
For example replace "gun" with food label and "crime" with profiting on selling substandard food.
Do a rerun and watch conclusions like mandatory food labeling does not work on shops wanting to sell spoiled food; or mandatory food labeling punish the sellers who already keep high standards.
I think our whole idea of justice in this country is ass-backwards, and for that I blame Christianity. Let me explain. Whenever we talk about reducing crime, it seems like those in charge only talk about things address crime as it's occurring, such as more police, harsher sentences, etc. Sure, having a cop on every street corner would reduce crime. A kid isn't going to sneak a cookie when mom's standing over him. But it never addresses the _desire_ to commit a crime. We (i.e., the US) need to address the root causes of crime: poverty, inequality, lack of opportunity, etc. We barely acknowledge these problems even exist, let alone acknowledge that they cause crime. People who have good jobs, maybe own property, are far less likely to commit crimes because they're invested in their communities and have too much to lose.
Why do I blame Christianity (partly, obviously not entirely)? Because the whole idea of Christianity (and other religions) is that the threat of punishment is what keeps people in line. Don't sin, because if you do you'll end up in Hell for all eternity.
Heston raised rife in a movie and said "damn dirty apes" 😂 funny enough he was talking about himself "hominidae."
We are just apes with ego trips. So put down your hollow tips and kiss your lovers lips...
Ah yes, American gun culture. Well, you can't spell culture without "cult."
I love how Americans are surprised at each mass shooting... America! You live in a country that has the largest military times 10. You live in a country that uses that military to force other nations to its will. You live in a country that's in perpetual war. You live in a country that fear mongers about everything. You live in a country that celebrates everything to do with war.
Did you really expect anything else but gun shootings domestically? The whole American culture is guns and solving problems with guns and you are surprised when an American solves his/her problem with a gun.... Deep-fried, lazy, uneducated heroes with guns.
I live in Canada(and yes we have guns here... loads of guns) but we don't worship guns or think of guns as a means to solve problems. We use guns to hunt and that's pretty much it.
Well said... unfortunately.
I'm a single mother, a few years later I was in a medical accident and was disabled-I can't drive. So one day, my son and I were getting a ride with my dad and he was irritated about something and he finally asked if I would be ok getting my (at the time 13 y.o son) a gun.
I knew it was really about my toxic masculinity father challenging me about gun ownership so I retorted, as long as he also got my son training...I wanted him to be ready to shoot any Republican that got in his face 😈
He never brought it up again.
On a side note, my son is an EMT and a firefighter, someone that helps lives, not an armchair gun slinger wannabe murderer.
Seth Andrews is another one that believes wearing a face nappy will protect you from a virus lol.
Amother one who knows zip about germ theory. If you ever go in for surgury, be sure to tell your surgeon not to wear a mask.
@@coyoteboy5601 That's to make sure no spit gets into the open wounds. When you buy a face mask it even tells you on the package that this mask will not protect you from coronavirus. But keep wearing your face nappy if it makes you feel safer. Oh, and don't forget your booster jab lol.
If you are a 2nd amendment supporter but willing to find common ground with stopping these horrific crimes please read my proposed plan and respond with a agreement, suggestion or criticism.
If your plan involves restrictions on guns then it's a hard no.
Serial killer, Eileen Wuornos killed 7 men with a .22 revolver. Anyway.
@@anotherguyonthepc5all I can say cole is a an american who refuses to work with the rest of us to find a workable solution, your opinion is worthless and should not be considered. When the ones who seek to ban guns are in the place to do so, you will decide you should have been a better citizens.
@@justsayin3647 not the normal mo. However my plan would have kept at least half of the mass shooters just in 2022 from legally purchasing a gun.
The simplest way to protect schoolchildren from deranged individuals armed with weapons that require no skill in aiming because they spray bullets when you pull the trigger, is to house the schools within NRA premises where no one is allowed to bring weapons, and they have the technology and security guards to ensure that.
Seth, if some criminal sneaks into your home and you try and draw your modest little pistols on him, chances are he’ll blow you to smithereens before you can even slip off the safety catch. You’d be a lot safer hiding under your bed until he’s finished collecting your valuables and left.
Some modern pistols have no safety switches.
How many Americans can literally _fit_ under their bed???
Thats also kind of scary…
@@hughmongoose8966 That’s also kind of scary…
@@DRayL_ Fair comment. OK, in the closet? Locked in the en-suite bathroom?
I love Seth when he stays in the atheism lane, but guns or politics? Ugh. He has no idea what makes a so-called "assault weapon" different from your average rifle. (which the public can't buy since the M16/M4 is not sold to the public) In this podcast he threw out a straw man argument of 45 rounds per minute and 3000 fps muzzle velocity, but that is no different from just about ANY semi-automatic. Are the others to be banned as well? How about the mini-14? Google it to see the similarities. One is bad, one is not? Why? And ALL semi-automatics = one trigger pull, one round fired. So is that the disquualier? Do we ban all guns except single shot or bolt-action rifles? Or is it ALL guns like the loony left wants? ? Like criminals are gonna turn in their weapons anyway?... Seth can surrender his guns all he wants, but I WON'T just to make him feel safe. SMH.
No one has reason to fear a morally sound person with a gun that they do a government agent having a gun. The problem with gun violence is not guns, it's violence. Guns laws have no more effect than drug laws have had. Outlawing guns only provides a market for criminals and make good people an easy target for armed criminals and crazies. If people cannot protect themselves from such people, then who is going too? Law enforcement? Uvalde shows they cannot be relied upon and the SCOTUS has already ruled that cops do not have a legal obligation to protect any person. Their job is to enforce the law, which since murder is illegal, the cops in Uvalde failed to enforce the law. The real problem is the lack of respect for human life and our government is among the worst of offenders when it comes to that. One last thing: If someone's mental health excludes them from owning a gun, then they shouldn't allow to own a car so they cannot drive it into a crowd of people. In fact they shouldn't be allowed to be a part of society.
You are so ignorant it's enough to be horrified that people think this way.
What EVERY nation on the planet other than the United States recognizes, that Americans fail to, is that the victims of Uvalde wouldn't NEED protection if the assailant didn't have access to his firearms in the first place.
You just made a great argument for legalizing Drugs and ABORTION.
@@BlackEpyon First of all you claim that EVERY other nation recognizes and there is no way you know that. The Czech Republic actually has liberal gun laws. There have been over a quarter of a million concealed carry permits issued there.
@@dannyslag You make a lot of claims withouit any evidence. How do you know that guns cost 15k on the black market in countries where they are illegal? " BTW, I stated armed criminals and CRAZIES, but you seem to ignore the crazies part. And I never claimed there were roving bands of criminals murdering regular people, so drop the strawman BS. I tend to agree that many murders are crimes of passion, but good people should still be able to have the means to protect themselves from such crime of passion. Just because some people commit murder with a gun doesn't mean no one should have a gun. My protection is my responsibility and being able to protect myself is my right. If that right is taken, then are those that took that right going to be criminally charged if they fail to protect me?
you run on bias information, or you would know the usa is 11th in mass shootings and that bumps us out of the top ten
is that amongst first world nations? If it includes third world countries that are run by gangs and cartels its not a fair comparison.
@@butkusfan23 yeah it is because of the claim, which was no country has ever seen a shooting except the usa, more specifically that it was exclusively a american problem. go back and listen to the claims asserted by one of the guest
@@j19n7200 You are being pedantic. Obviously we are talking about other first world nations like ours. That has always been the conversation. You took the person too literally.
@@butkusfan23he said all but maybe he meant something else, maybe it was just bad wording
@@j19n7200 Again, you are taking his words too literally. No sane person is going to compare the US to third world countries.
guns are not viable defense in mo dern age. that's a fact, in a place where tgere's more guns than people, and gun murders occur daily. maybe guns were a viable defense in the wild west, when visitors were sparse and their intentions questionable.
there's no need or excuse to own guns. personal safety is increased when there's no guns around.
i will not set foot in s house with guns in it. the american gun love affair always ends in tragedies. except it doesnt end.
Seth, you wont support or propagate antinatalism. Yet you support and propagate gun control. Not taking a stand against natalism is equally as foolish as believing in a diety.Future podcast title: Not supporting antinatalism made me talk stupid about more gun control.