I’m flabbergasted each time a theist points his finger at non believers accusing them of crimes against their imaginary leader who is also the supposed arbitrator of their Hell.
I actually feel sorry for “leading people to doom” guy. He wasn’t prepared to have a reasoned discussion about his beliefs. Don’t know if he was looking for a fight or what, but clearly he was overwhelmed by intelligent and kind conversation. Sad really. I always really appreciate your empathy and kindness towards people who don’t agree with you Seth
Caller was asking a perfectly legitimate hypothetical question which Seth wimped out on. Seth did what apologists do when they don't want to answer a question - they try to redirect and turn the question back on the asker. The question wasn't that great or useful, but no need for Seth to be so scared.
"I didn't hurt anybody" Ok, dude, hypothetical the quoran is real and you lead thausands of people to fire and brimstone ... these people never even consider other religions in terms of could they be true?
@@Cheepchipsable Did he? This is a new approach theists try to shut atheists up. Caller was fishing for a sound bite. But please, what would your answer be and I'll tell you how I think any half educated theist can use your answer against you - not necessarily ina good way but that's not the point. Now don't wimp out on me.
@@Cheepchipsable "Caller was asking a perfectly legitimate hypothetical question" Not really, the caller conveniently forgot that in the hypothetical context he created his god was a monster, yet in his own mind his god is basically the personification of love. There is an inherent contradiction in this question, and I think that is why he bailed out, it was about to be exposed. Do you seriously think that Seth, who has heard the question dozens of times, was a wimp not to address it? He said why he didn't give the answer the caller was wanting to hear, it was just a useless "gotcha" sound bite, and addressing the problems inherent to question itself was the right move.
@@JGM0JGM Well put! And not only was he not asking a legitimate question, but his "evidence" for the legitimacy of the bible wasn't legitimate either (it never is; otherwise a lot of us would be believers).
That call got very painful, very quickly. I can't listen to anti-evolutionists anymore. The self-righteous wallowing in their ignorance is toxic and draining. All I can do is urge you to get an education, but I lack the patience or motivation to do anything else than say that to them, which obviously is going to be unaffective. I guess I don't care enough to try to fight willful subscription to dogma in that way.
“If the Bible is true, will you feel bad leading people to Hell?” “If the Koran is true, will You feel bad leading people to Hell?” “If Science is true, will you BOTH feel bad leading people to The Crusades?”
Or maybe feel bad about stealing so much of the little time we have on the planet? I will gladly March into hell if that's what the supreme, loving creator would do to me. Anything that would sentence it's most beloved creature to eternal misery and damnation is nothing that I would ever worship. If there's a god, he's a twisted sadist who loves to watch people suffer. Wtf kind of supreme being does that? Sounds like what they call satan.
Beet Oven Are you finding that many seem to be just plain mean? (I'm only talking about the ones I see online, I don't know all atheists). They are very cultish too. If you don't think exactly like they do, you are shunned. In that they behave a lot like religious people.
My concern is that the true biblical hell actually is the state of Florida and Governor Ron DeMoses. Great show! Great callers today, some of the best ever, imo.
I was suspicious about the title for this one, but now I get it, _that_ caller a lot of people are talking about. He totally "fled the battle" once he realized he was dealing with a seasoned trooper.
To the ‘leading people to their doom’ hypothetical,let’s ask a real life,non-hypothetical: How do you feel about thousands of pastors taking thousands and millions of dollars from vulnerable people who have their beliefs rooted in a fear-based mythology? Because that’s happening in real time,every day.
Ruth, What a character! I was too chicken to do any psychedelics and regret it. Michael Pollan, journalist, and David Nutt, neuroscientist, say interesting things about them. Pollan thinks in our mature years is a great time to take psilocybin.
Small world ... My ex minister ex-husband grew up Lutheran but converted to Pentecostal which is where we met and married and our kids went to Calvinist private school (because it was the only one in town except for the Catholic one). They were 6th and 8th grade when I left their father and walked away from my faith. My son stayed with his dad and was homeschooled until "graduation" 🙄 , my daughter lived with me and completed her education at public school.
Regarding religious funerals, If there is a reception afterwards, just go to that and go directly to the family members to express your condoléances. Then eat the snacks and reminisce with the others who loved the deceased.
5:00 I had gotten a sermonizing like that before, just minus the statistician part. I asked the person doing that to me, "Have you ever played Telephone?" I got him to arrange his little group, and I got them to pass a message the guy chose without any input from me. Lo and behold, he was shocked to see just how different the message was by the time it got back around to him. I then said (or I guess "lectured" or "counter-sermonized" would be more accurate in this case): "This is what happens in a few minutes. Are you really trying to tell me that an anthology of books, at least half of which were never written until around when the Babylonians had enslaved the Hebrews - which also happens to be one of the very few things in their history before the Romans that has been verified to any reasonable extent - so before they were written, they were passed on in a manner identical to this game of Telephone? You are really going to tell me that not only did it stay unchanged over centuries, but then when we finally got to their writings, it was through interpreting interpretations of interpretations of translations of translations of multiple dead languages and dialects - and these distant vague interpretations all occurred individually by very few individuals isolated and locked in groupthink before they were finally compiled together and argued and extorted over what would be accepted? And this was all during when it was one of the highest crimes - or "sins," if you want to stick with your favorite terms - to learn how to read the Bible, let alone read it in something other than the dead language that is Latin. You are telling me that even with all of this going on, it remained unchanged and that this could not be imagined? I have two suggestions: either read any of the books arbitrarily chosen to NOT be included in the Bible...or watch Star Wars - and for the latter one, let me know how one person was not able to imagine this, or that said person could not draw from other things for guidelines." And if the Bible really is all true, and God really did have a plan that could not be violated or strayed from due to God being supposedly omniscient and omnipotent, then I either ended up going in exact accordance with God's plan so I did not really lead anyone to their doom - which also goes to show that God had *planned* to cast certain people to their doom from the very beginning, exposing him to be the biggest f^^^ing sadist ever - or God is nowhere as omniscient or omnipotent as Christians love to claim that he is, and if God is not...then what exactly is there to fear? Or, as Lewis Black once put it: "Then when God asks why I am going to Hell, I will say, 'I am going there *BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MAKE ME PATIENT!'"*
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog I think their answer was their eyes turning into the buffering symbol. They certainly did not say anything coherent...or say anything period.
I think the Hindu religion is the most creative. And I think ancient Greek religion is the most like human behavior. As a mother of a 26 y.o that hardly ever hears from her son (IDK why, I doubt it's bc of religion bc I don't have any), I'm glad you still helped your mom and talk to her. It sounds like she still cares. If she asked you for help and for a link, she still cares. You should recommend she read books on how Christianity is relative to other religions. And I agree, there is a lot of bloodlust in that book. That's actually one of the things that turned me... unlike you, I hate blood and gore- I just do not understand why on earth anyone would want to watch horror movies or dress like zombies and when you called Mel Gibson's version of the crucifixion 'torture porn', I completely agreed.
You know those books the hare krishnas try to hawk you? I liked buying them, simply because of how creative the mythology felt, and had some awesome illustrations too.
@@RickReasonnz I used to watch the show Ancient Aliens bc I loved the graphics and all the Hindu artwork. But they always seemed to be explaining how their theories fit in with the Bible by looking at it a different way, as if the Bible was true history.
Jay sees God as a mafia boss. Gboss: "Say, that's a nice soul you got there. Be a shame if I had to chuck into hell for not following me!" Me: So you are basically saying God says "Follow me and do as I say or I will hurt you!" Jay: Now you get it! Me: Ok, so what if God is just a mean imaginary friend of yours?" Jay: Noooo! he's for reals! Look at the trees! Piltdown Man was a hoax! I got this book......"
How would Hypothetically speaking guy feel if he found out the Hindu Vedas were the one truth? Would he feel bad or guilty that he'd led people down the evil path of christianity?
Would you feel bad if you didn't put coins one the eyes of the deceased? What if the Ferryman is true? Are you concerned that you won't go to Valhalla when you die? Can go on forever with Pascal's Wager
There was one which played straight into magical thinking which helped convince me of "God's Plan". I was sitting in a park on the shore of our river with some pals smoking a bong when like a flash the thought came to mind 'God has a plan for your life and drugs aren't a part of it .' That was the last mind altering substance I used for 11 years. Five of them in 12 step meetings (All the way up to being BLASCNA area vice chairman) Now, after years it's pretty easily explained in a way which was compleatly lost on me. I was high on mind altering substances. DUH!
@@JamesRichardWiley That's not the question. The question is how can an all knowing super being screw up making that organism, wipe it out as a do over, and SCREW IT UP AGAIN. That's just silly.
Pot helped me realize that I was trapped in a cult. It also inspired me to recognize the divinity of NATURE, and it seemed insane not to consider that the earth is god.
I really hope that if your mom does listen to some of your podcasts, that she hears the wonderful amounts of praise that her son receives from the many many people who have found his words to be of comfort.
42:50 - is what has happened in the UK over the past 60 years, or so. Very few of our politicians are openly religious. The ones that are, get treated with suspicion.
I really think, Christianity at least, will be replaced with a less physical and more spiritual interpretation. There is a concentration on the bible literalists but in reality they make up a small percentage outside the US. Most Christians don't believe the bible is literal. I think most Christian sects that require rituals and too many lifestyle sacrifices will die off. Islam is so entrenched in many counties that it will be a long time before that changes. Same with Judaism.
Same with Australia. Tony Abbott was openly Catholic, and current PM Scott Morrison is open about being a Hillsong member, and both are treated with open suspicion by the majority.
Sorry but I have to speak about this, before my husband's funeral service I spoke with the priest and told him, "no god stuff, he didn't believe in your deity." It was ignored, half of it was about god and heaven. I was pissed! He didn't believe in the abrahamic gods, he had his own goddess at the time of passing. He even tattooed her onto his skin. None of that was respected and I got really angry at them for that. So I just remembered him for who he was after the bullshit. If there's an afterlife, he's in his own place, awaiting my arrival.
Oh that is so upsetting. It is dreadful that you has to got to a priest. We had were able ro have a secular Officiate. She put a little bit of God in for the older religious relatives because as she said a funeral is for everyone attending but over all it was the best funeral I have been to. I was very peaceful and really helped my husband mourn the loss of his mother.
No non-denominational speakers available? We have civil celebrants to do that sort of service in Australia. I couldn't imagine any Priest or Vicar not mentioning God, even if they tried.
I am SO sorry you lost your husband!! Your experience at his funeral is why I have told my children I don't want one. My brother is a Apostolic minister & I am Pagan. One child is a atheist, the other a Buddhist turn Agnostic. No way a funeral is going to my kids & my precious granddaughters any closure or any chance to have a proper good-bye. I will be cremated and then a year later they will have a good old fashioned Irish wake.
About the LSD questions, you trip for about 8-12 hours, and if you have a benzodiazepine like a xanax pill, you can "kill" the trip, meaning that in about 20 minutes you stop the hallucinations (that are mainly visual effects with somewhat of an emotional aspect to it). It is common to take a benzo in the end of the trip because when you are coming out of it you feel really bad for about 4-8 hours. It is mostly used when you are having a bad trip, in order to end it as quickly as possible. I hope this answer your questions !
The guy asking about "Seth leading people to their doom".....is missing a vital aspect. Rather than asking this question, he should be asking why his religion has a "Hell" component at all...and the immoral/unethical aspect of such an ideology. That should be his question....turned in onto his own faith. So....the guy is using the typical Pascal's Wager fallacy. What has the guy lost, if he found out the Bible and Christianity were false? How much money has he given to the church, since it is required that _10%_ of your wages "goes to god"? Over a long time, that can be a significant amount! What if he would have gone into a field of study that would have been far more lucrative.....but didn't because it ran contrary to his belief system in what is taught in that field?
No, he posed a hypothetical question. Surely he is entitled, or do only atheists get to do that? It's not really up to you to choose his questions for him. Seth could have asked him a question in return.
@@Cheepchipsable I didn't "choose his question"....I said he _should_ have asked. He doesn't because he is apparently unaware of certain aspects of his own religion, so of course he wouldn't ask questions which would be far more relevant.
The guy asking the “how would you feel” question was very likely moving away from faith himself. I remember asking similar bad faith questions as I was really starting to question my faith.
He is a very stupid person. He has called into many shows and is probably the dumbest caller i have ever heard. He always says that evolution is a hoax because we have never seen a fish turn into a monkey, or a tadpole turn into a human. He is so arrogantly ignorant he is frustrating to even listen to.
Idk about that, he basically recited every bad argument apologists have tried for years. He's rant about evolution was particularly ignorant and obviously just a parrot of things he heard someone else say. He didn't sound on the fence at all to me, he couldn't acknowledge the rebuttals to his arguments at all. Probably because they totally dismantled his idiotic talking points.
The guy with the "How would you feel" is literally just spouting all of the worse nonsense, the worse of the apologist use, and should have expected to have it dismantled.
"I'm sorry. I have to give you a call back later..." The words of someone who knows he's about to get his ass handed to him and decided to get out while the getting is good!
As a European, it's always so strange for me to hear how important religion is in the US in politics and public life in general. Here, it's just the opposite! You "come out" as a Christian, prepare to be mocked and ridiculed!
@@mruncletheredge Well, personally, I don't think anyone should be mocked and ridiculed. I'm all for constructive criticism. Plus, many people don't need to be ridiculed, they already ridicule themselves more than enough :-) Actually, I'm a Christian myself, and I enjoy living in Europe, because I don't think anyone should get a privileged treatment based on, well, anything! And living among fundamentalist evangelicals, for example, would be insufferable even for me.
I agree with you. America is not a "free" country at all!! It's all an illusion caused by brainwashing! If I could, I'd move away to a different country.
@@cynimonry5919 The journey for me (discovering that America is NOT a free country) started nearly two decades ago... It took nearly that long to figure out a solution but I eventually did. I left. Now I'm on an island in the Pacific with a commercial farm and doing just fine... It's so hard to watch though as my country and my friends are slowly disappearing into the political and religious divisiveness that's taken over America.
The funny thing about Pascal's wager is it doesn't account for gods like jesus who are jealous and send you to hell for picking wrong. So, much like the fermi paradox, the likely hood that you picked wrong and are going to a hell is nearly 100%, with the exception that you might already be there, assuming that a god is a possible outcome. How do you expect to win a game when you can't even comprehend the rules? There is no indication that a literal GOD is even possible because its logically inconsistent. Like a married batchlor or shrodinger's cat.
Second caller... I have encountered this often enough that I reverse the question.. and while he glossed over it as applied to himself.. he completely ignored the other side of this belief as applied to him. He misled others..he obviously has testified and acted upon his religious morality upon others, involving others, situations that includes others. He has encouraged this like belief that others should follow it.. that there is all these things in it..these benefits.. and that this is a truth that others should accept.. and yet if it is a lie..and not true...he has done exactly what he thinks those of non belief are doing.. and especially if he put effort to actually bring someone specific into belief. He misled them... So how would he feel?? It gets very uncomfortable for them at this point..
Mr "leading people to hell" is basically doing a Pascal's Wager (with a side of why don't you just shut up). If you're right and there's no God well at least people are being good and feel happy, if you're wrong then you've led them to hell. But that's simply just not the case as if there is no God then they are believing lies, supporting a religion which supports atrocities, and wasting time talking to something that doesn't exist, etc. Also how weak (or cruel) is their God to allow that to happen?!
In regard to your last podcast, when someone says Merry Christmas to me, I will often times just say Merry Christmas back, however if I'm in a mood and its like a clerk at a store or say the Post Office as an actual example, given that these people are just assuming that everyone they encounter celebrates Christmas (or they don't assume and don't care) , I will sometimes reply with "Thank you! Happy Hanukah!" Of course I'm not Jewish either (but they don't know that), and frankly I don't even know if it's the Hanukah time when I say it, but just to get the point across to the person who just randomly says Merry Christmas to me, a stranger to them.
I'm an atheist who celebrates Christmas; however, there has never been any religious meaning to the holiday in my family. If I said, "Merry Christmas!" to a stranger, say, while shopping or standing on line with groceries waiting for the cashier, I'd be fine if someone said back to me, "Happy Hanukah!" I wouldn't assume they were offended by what I said but, if they were offended, that's okay, too. They're entitled to their feelings, which are caused by their perception of the interaction, not by what I said. Cheers! And Happy Early Christmas!! ;-)
@@tkenglander6226 I think a lot of people who just say "Merry Christmas" as a general holiday greeting wouldn't be offended to be returned with a Happy Hanukkah. Though there are definitely those who would at least be taken aback. To me it's more to get them to think that maybe a more generalized greeting is appropriate after all.
Couldn’t find the Lakeland, Florida school story, but I did find the Merritt Island, Florida school story, and the important response: “The nation's largest Native American rights group has weighed in on the debate around Edgewood Jr./Sr. High School's controversial move to retire its "Indian" mascot. The National Congress of American Indians, in a Sept. 17 email to the Merritt Island school, reiterated its longtime stance against the use of "Native 'themed' mascots," arguing that such depictions have long bolstered racist views and other harms against Native Americans.”
SPOILER RE THE FINAL CALL but.... As someone who used to have wonderful experiences on LSD in cemeteries, I am also very glad there is no video footage of these excursions.
@17:15, once Andrew staring to Open the bible knowledge, Jay get exposed can't handle it "I gotta go..." Hilarious 🤣😆😄 the world need Andrew, Matt, Rah, the late Hitchen.... among other online critical thinkers
both myself and my coworker went to highschools with native american mascots. both of us feel immediately the gym called the Reservation is sooo clearly wrong. i was in school when the first wave of colleges changing mascots from native charactures. our school ran a (more cleverly named) "we're not ever changing our mascot" campaign. at the time i was on their side, tradition blah blah. i now see that campaign as clearly racist and bigoted and am ashamed to have been a part
LSD lasts for approx 4-8 hrs... the only thing I don't like about it is you get dehydrated. The rest is great. If you have a bad trip you talk yourself down from whatever your going through. But, I've never had that problem in the half dozen times I've done it. It was all euphoria and laughter.
Regarding the caller around 30:00, my high school mascot is the Redmen. The school board recently debated changing the name, and so far have decided against it. One of the arguments people made was that it was chosen to "honor" Native Americans, and of course they knew natives who were OK with it. Two points I made were to ask what the reaction would have been had those Native Americans said "this is offensive and racist. We're people not mascots." My second point is that we as white people don't get to decide whether something is offensive to minority groups; those groups are the only ones that get to make that decision, and how many of them need to be bothered by it for it to be an issue? I live in Cleveland, and we recently changed our baseball team name from the Indians to the Guardians. I had a friend - who is as ginger as the day is long - claim he's part Cherokee and he didn't find it offensive. I asked him if he identifies as Cherokee, and if he's ever been treated different because of his native heritage. He shut up about it after that.
I good way I like to explain the monkey thing is to impress upon people that they didn't descend from their cousin yet their cousin still exists. You have a common ancestor -- your grandparent. Then extrapolate that idea out over millions of years.
I would answer his question like this: I don't feel responsible for leading anyone to hell first of all. Second of all people make up their own minds on such subjects so regardless of what I say or do their thoughts and actions are what defy their supposedly hell sentence. Thirdly, it's entirely on God why people go to hell in the first place since it made the whole process. There could have been an entirely different universe where nobody goes to hell so it's on him/she/it 100%.
All that guy would have heard is your four first words and then he would have been off to the races calling you a monster. The reason Seth didn't give that kind of answer is because that guy was only looking for a sound bite like your first four words.
I've known people in my town who have seen the evidence of something not happening. That evidence is not seeing it happen. So not knowing that it does happen equals knowing that it doesn't happen. I don't argue with nutters anymore. Wonder if that guy know who discovered frauds, and what method they used. It almost sounds like he's saying it like it's a bad thing.
Some of us can get like that at times and it's as annoying and condescending as any door knocker imo. Most of us just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace and are happy to leave others the same way.
That's exactly how I would describe some of them - usually the ex-hardcore believers. You would have to be of an evangelical bent to go on tour to spread the word.
The second caller is doing Pascal's Christian bet...but he's conveniently forgetting about Pascal's Muslim bet, Jewish bet, Hindu bet...etc etc. There's also elements of egotistical thought such as "You're leading them away from *My* Religion". And he's also afraid of being left alone with being the only one who believes in nonsensical dieties.
Hehe, that guy that hung up at 24:00 he sounded like one of those guys that constantly argue with the Atheist Experience, I wouldn't doubt that he probably called Matt Dillahunty and posed the exact same question with the same arguments. Poor guy.
My answer the irritating "how would you feel" guy would've been: "Proud. I resist authoritarianism." This lady about atheist politicians reminded me how often I get to hear how similar our religious cultures are, but this was just one more proof to pile that it ain't so. Vast majority of finns don't give a thought to damage others property just because sticker disagrees with them! Wtf, that should be exceptional vandalism, not something to be feared of!
Wow, poor Jay. Deluded, deranged, dangerously ignorant. I wonder how he feels, hypothetically, about all of the harms done by his religion. If the religion is true, it's even worse.
Indians was what good old Christopher Columbus tagged the indigenous peoples with! He thought he was in India initially. So I can understand why we need to blow up that name! Also the term redskins was a huge pejorative in all the westerns I watched as a kid! Certainly not a term of endearment!
Giving god credit for beating addiction is taking away all the hard work that you YOURSELF did or put in Jesus or God had nothing to do with it the strength was inside you the whole time God and Jesus is just a placebo effect at best.
I've heard a few atheist say that if they are speaking to someone whom they believe their faith is so important it might be damaging to their mental health to lose it, they won't question them too hard.
Leading them to doom is, I would imagine, for example instigating people to kill or harm others in the name of some ideology, be it a worldly or spiritual ideology. If there is a god or karma or any supernatural judgement day in the afterlife, I'm fairly certain that your humanitarian attitude, ethical behaviour and good deeds are perfectly enough to pass. I'm also fairly certain that god hates sycophants.
You know even the Christian bloggers are tackling the contradictions and paradoxes of their faith and Bible in an effort to stay relevant. Of course they usually conclude that its all true but the drip drip of exposure to the problems is weakening
New York is real and I'm pretty sure there someone out there that name is or was Peter Parker but is that person really spiderman NO that's impossible and Jesus existence is the same thing. Did he exist idk maybe but was he supernatural NO that's impossible.
The 'What If' caller needs to be asked the same question about Judaism, Islam, Egyptian religion, Greek and Roman religions, Norse religion, etc. If he really says that the wrong religion leads to eternal torment, why isn't he investigating ALL religions to find out which one is right? (They're ALL wrong, IMHO, but would welcome evidence that one or more is true). Who then *fled* as soon as it became obvious he was going to have to defend the Bible rather than just attacking 'evolution', attacking other culture war enemies.
hey I have a idea for a episode, do one on conservative atheist. I almost never hear from them but they are at least 40 percent of overall nonbelievers
It was weird when i came out as an atheist to a Christian friend and cited evolution when discussing the problem of evil, i had always believed in it and just assumed that another 24 year oldlike me that passed high school also believed it. But i had no idea he was a YEC. It was weird when i realized how many people around me actually think that and i didn't know because it never came up until they where trying to reconvert me.
@@spectrepar2458yeah it’s like showing someone ancient Roman ruins and they being convinced they were built last year, it’s so bizarre one is not sure it’s even sane to contemplate how this reasoning can even exist in the absence of home made liquor.
When it comes to family it doesn't pay to get upset, just be nice. I had one of those spiritual moments, today I see was just my experience and not a god experience, maybe just a case of brain fuckery. =)
I always love Americans when it comes to electing a president.. They act as if each new president is an independent, free from all party affiliations, entity.. Obama was a Democrat and that's why nothing really changed. Trump was a Republican and that's why nothing really changed. American always get all worked up about federal elections but the 2 party's platforms are clearly stated... Isn't about time to admit that its just a big popularity contest, something akin to picking a new mascot for a major sports team.
It actually does matter though. Presidents propose supreme court justices, who actually make important rulings that effect our lives. People didn't want to vote for Hillary, so we got trump. Who put in religious conservatives to the supreme court. They are going to outlaw abortion. See how that works? Obama made it legal for me as a gay man to marry. These are just two examples of how presidents do effect us.
@@cullenarthur8879 But its not the president. The president is taking his marching orders from the party. Do you really think the Democratic party or the Republican party would allow an individual to rise in the party if they were an independent? Do I need to point out Bernie Sanders? If Trump stepped out of line 'one inch' the Republican party would have walked over to the Dems and said... So you want to impeach Trump? Well you just might have the votes now.
Make your mother read any (good) high fantasy books (Tolkien's Lord of the Rings for example or the Hobbit!), those show without a doubt that humans have more imagination that what was used to put together the current edition of 'The Goat Herder's Guide to the Universe' (seriously, over the centuries they even removed parts and they would probably do so again, if there weren't billions of copies of "the good book" (which is a bad, inhumane book...I mean it endorses stoning disobedient chidlren! I doubt most of us would be alive if our parents stoned us if we didn't obey ASAP!) out there, so they can't sneak in an edit, because only the clergy and nobility can actually read the book because it's writen in Latin!)
I’m flabbergasted each time a theist points his finger at non believers accusing them of crimes against their imaginary leader
who is also the supposed arbitrator of their Hell.
its just child abuse.
I actually feel sorry for “leading people to doom” guy. He wasn’t prepared to have a reasoned discussion about his beliefs. Don’t know if he was looking for a fight or what, but clearly he was overwhelmed by intelligent and kind conversation. Sad really. I always really appreciate your empathy and kindness towards people who don’t agree with you Seth
Caller was asking a perfectly legitimate hypothetical question which Seth wimped out on.
Seth did what apologists do when they don't want to answer a question - they try to redirect and turn the question back on the asker.
The question wasn't that great or useful, but no need for Seth to be so scared.
"I didn't hurt anybody"
Ok, dude, hypothetical the quoran is real and you lead thausands of people to fire and brimstone ... these people never even consider other religions in terms of could they be true?
@@Cheepchipsable Did he?
This is a new approach theists try to shut atheists up.
Caller was fishing for a sound bite.
But please, what would your answer be and I'll tell you how I think any half educated theist can use your answer against you - not necessarily ina good way but that's not the point. Now don't wimp out on me.
@@Cheepchipsable "Caller was asking a perfectly legitimate hypothetical question"
Not really, the caller conveniently forgot that in the hypothetical context he created his god was a monster, yet in his own mind his god is basically the personification of love. There is an inherent contradiction in this question, and I think that is why he bailed out, it was about to be exposed.
Do you seriously think that Seth, who has heard the question dozens of times, was a wimp not to address it? He said why he didn't give the answer the caller was wanting to hear, it was just a useless "gotcha" sound bite, and addressing the problems inherent to question itself was the right move.
@@JGM0JGM Well put! And not only was he not asking a legitimate question, but his "evidence" for the legitimacy of the bible wasn't legitimate either (it never is; otherwise a lot of us would be believers).
🙄That "leading them to their doom" one always gets me. "You're not keeping people terrified of my imaginary demons!!".🙄
Ha...... ha ha . That's some deep - - - - you know . Wow .
One wonders why Seth had such a hard time answering it.
@@Cheepchipsable He didn't have a hard time.
@@Cheepchipsable Because it wasn't a true question, that guys call was just a long winded pascal's wager
That call got very painful, very quickly.
I can't listen to anti-evolutionists anymore. The self-righteous wallowing in their ignorance is toxic and draining.
All I can do is urge you to get an education, but I lack the patience or motivation to do anything else than say that to them, which obviously is going to be unaffective.
I guess I don't care enough to try to fight willful subscription to dogma in that way.
“If the Bible is true, will you feel bad leading people to Hell?”
“If the Koran is true, will You feel bad leading people to Hell?”
“If Science is true, will you BOTH feel bad leading people to The Crusades?”
Or maybe feel bad about stealing so much of the little time we have on the planet? I will gladly March into hell if that's what the supreme, loving creator would do to me. Anything that would sentence it's most beloved creature to eternal misery and damnation is nothing that I would ever worship. If there's a god, he's a twisted sadist who loves to watch people suffer. Wtf kind of supreme being does that? Sounds like what they call satan.
Well said!
You are hands down the most affable, gregarious, and lovable atheist I know. Hugs.
Beet Oven Are you finding that many seem to be just plain mean? (I'm only talking about the ones I see online, I don't know all atheists). They are very cultish too. If you don't think exactly like they do, you are shunned. In that they behave a lot like religious people.
@@littlebitofhope1489 please give examples.
@@claires9100 I'm not talking about Seth. I have never seen him be mean.
My concern is that the true biblical hell actually is the state of Florida and Governor Ron DeMoses.
Great show! Great callers today, some of the best ever, imo.
I was suspicious about the title for this one, but now I get it, _that_ caller a lot of people are talking about. He totally "fled the battle" once he realized he was dealing with a seasoned trooper.
To the ‘leading people to their doom’ hypothetical,let’s ask a real life,non-hypothetical:
How do you feel about thousands of pastors taking thousands and millions of dollars from vulnerable people who have their beliefs rooted in a fear-based mythology? Because that’s happening in real time,every day.
I had to spend two weeks in a Prius with my parents and Jesus!!!!!! POT CANDY!!!!!!!!! Got me through it with a smile!
LOL Respect, Cindy!
Ruth, What a character!
I was too chicken to do any psychedelics and regret it. Michael Pollan, journalist, and David Nutt, neuroscientist, say interesting things about them. Pollan thinks in our mature years is a great time to take psilocybin.
Small world ... My ex minister ex-husband grew up Lutheran but converted to Pentecostal which is where we met and married and our kids went to Calvinist private school (because it was the only one in town except for the Catholic one). They were 6th and 8th grade when I left their father and walked away from my faith. My son stayed with his dad and was homeschooled until "graduation" 🙄 , my daughter lived with me and completed her education at public school.
caller....Pascals Wager🤦🏽♀️I laughed so loud when Seth said "Isn't your gripe with the Architect?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just walked in and see a Seth Andrews newly dropped video ... all is good with the universe. Okay, at least my microscopic piece of it anyway 😁
Regarding religious funerals, If there is a reception afterwards, just go to that and go directly to the family members to express your condoléances. Then eat the snacks and reminisce with the others who loved the deceased.
5:00 I had gotten a sermonizing like that before, just minus the statistician part. I asked the person doing that to me, "Have you ever played Telephone?" I got him to arrange his little group, and I got them to pass a message the guy chose without any input from me. Lo and behold, he was shocked to see just how different the message was by the time it got back around to him. I then said (or I guess "lectured" or "counter-sermonized" would be more accurate in this case):
"This is what happens in a few minutes. Are you really trying to tell me that an anthology of books, at least half of which were never written until around when the Babylonians had enslaved the Hebrews - which also happens to be one of the very few things in their history before the Romans that has been verified to any reasonable extent - so before they were written, they were passed on in a manner identical to this game of Telephone? You are really going to tell me that not only did it stay unchanged over centuries, but then when we finally got to their writings, it was through interpreting interpretations of interpretations of translations of translations of multiple dead languages and dialects - and these distant vague interpretations all occurred individually by very few individuals isolated and locked in groupthink before they were finally compiled together and argued and extorted over what would be accepted? And this was all during when it was one of the highest crimes - or "sins," if you want to stick with your favorite terms - to learn how to read the Bible, let alone read it in something other than the dead language that is Latin. You are telling me that even with all of this going on, it remained unchanged and that this could not be imagined? I have two suggestions: either read any of the books arbitrarily chosen to NOT be included in the Bible...or watch Star Wars - and for the latter one, let me know how one person was not able to imagine this, or that said person could not draw from other things for guidelines."
And if the Bible really is all true, and God really did have a plan that could not be violated or strayed from due to God being supposedly omniscient and omnipotent, then I either ended up going in exact accordance with God's plan so I did not really lead anyone to their doom - which also goes to show that God had *planned* to cast certain people to their doom from the very beginning, exposing him to be the biggest f^^^ing sadist ever - or God is nowhere as omniscient or omnipotent as Christians love to claim that he is, and if God is not...then what exactly is there to fear?
Or, as Lewis Black once put it:
"Then when God asks why I am going to Hell, I will say, 'I am going there *BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MAKE ME PATIENT!'"*
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog I think their answer was their eyes turning into the buffering symbol. They certainly did not say anything coherent...or say anything period.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog Hard crash with blue error screen right there.
One of your best ever I think Seth. I really appreciate you saying what you said.
I think the Hindu religion is the most creative. And I think ancient Greek religion is the most like human behavior. As a mother of a 26 y.o that hardly ever hears from her son (IDK why, I doubt it's bc of religion bc I don't have any), I'm glad you still helped your mom and talk to her. It sounds like she still cares. If she asked you for help and for a link, she still cares. You should recommend she read books on how Christianity is relative to other religions. And I agree, there is a lot of bloodlust in that book. That's actually one of the things that turned me... unlike you, I hate blood and gore- I just do not understand why on earth anyone would want to watch horror movies or dress like zombies and when you called Mel Gibson's version of the crucifixion 'torture porn', I completely agreed.
You know those books the hare krishnas try to hawk you? I liked buying them, simply because of how creative the mythology felt, and had some awesome illustrations too.
@@RickReasonnz I used to watch the show Ancient Aliens bc I loved the graphics and all the Hindu artwork. But they always seemed to be explaining how their theories fit in with the Bible by looking at it a different way, as if the Bible was true history.
Jay sees God as a mafia boss. Gboss: "Say, that's a nice soul you got there. Be a shame if I had to chuck into hell for not following me!" Me: So you are basically saying God says "Follow me and do as I say or I will hurt you!" Jay: Now you get it! Me: Ok, so what if God is just a mean imaginary friend of yours?" Jay: Noooo! he's for reals! Look at the trees! Piltdown Man was a hoax! I got this book......"
How would Hypothetically speaking guy feel if he found out the Hindu Vedas were the one truth? Would he feel bad or guilty that he'd led people down the evil path of christianity?
Would you feel bad if you didn't put coins one the eyes of the deceased? What if the Ferryman is true?
Are you concerned that you won't go to Valhalla when you die?
Can go on forever with Pascal's Wager
@@gerrye114 great point
"It's all bullshit Ruth, you don't have to worry about it" Here's a true father
That Ruth is one lucky girl. I wish I was kicked out of church at that age.
There was one which played straight into magical thinking which helped convince me of "God's Plan".
I was sitting in a park on the shore of our river with some pals smoking a bong when like a flash the thought came to mind 'God has a plan for your life and drugs aren't a part of it .' That was the last mind altering substance I used for 11 years. Five of them in 12 step meetings (All the way up to being BLASCNA area vice chairman)
Now, after years it's pretty easily explained in a way which was compleatly lost on me.
I was high on mind altering substances.
DUH!
Sometimes insight is the best drug of all.
How can an all powerful, all knowing super being care what happens to microscopic organism living on a speck of dust?
@@JamesRichardWiley That's not the question. The question is how can an all knowing super being screw up making that organism, wipe it out as a do over, and SCREW IT UP AGAIN. That's just silly.
Pot helped me realize that I was trapped in a cult. It also inspired me to recognize the divinity of NATURE, and it seemed insane not to consider that the earth is god.
Thanks for another great show Seth! Love it!
I really hope that if your mom does listen to some of your podcasts, that she hears the wonderful amounts of praise that her son receives from the many many people who have found his words to be of comfort.
42:50 - is what has happened in the UK over the past 60 years, or so. Very few of our politicians are openly religious. The ones that are, get treated with suspicion.
I really think, Christianity at least, will be replaced with a less physical and more spiritual interpretation.
There is a concentration on the bible literalists but in reality they make up a small percentage outside the US. Most Christians don't believe the bible is literal.
I think most Christian sects that require rituals and too many lifestyle sacrifices will die off.
Islam is so entrenched in many counties that it will be a long time before that changes. Same with Judaism.
Same with Australia. Tony Abbott was openly Catholic, and current PM Scott Morrison is open about being a Hillsong member, and both are treated with open suspicion by the majority.
Ruth was worth waiting for. I loved her!
Sorry but I have to speak about this, before my husband's funeral service I spoke with the priest and told him, "no god stuff, he didn't believe in your deity." It was ignored, half of it was about god and heaven. I was pissed! He didn't believe in the abrahamic gods, he had his own goddess at the time of passing. He even tattooed her onto his skin. None of that was respected and I got really angry at them for that. So I just remembered him for who he was after the bullshit. If there's an afterlife, he's in his own place, awaiting my arrival.
Oh that is so upsetting. It is dreadful that you has to got to a priest. We had were able ro have a secular Officiate. She put a little bit of God in for the older religious relatives because as she said a funeral is for everyone attending but over all it was the best funeral I have been to. I was very peaceful and really helped my husband mourn the loss of his mother.
Sorry for your loss and that is soo messed up and I don't blame you for being pissed
No non-denominational speakers available?
We have civil celebrants to do that sort of service in Australia.
I couldn't imagine any Priest or Vicar not mentioning God, even if they tried.
I am SO sorry you lost your husband!! Your experience at his funeral is why I have told my children I don't want one. My brother is a Apostolic minister & I am Pagan. One child is a atheist, the other a Buddhist turn Agnostic. No way a funeral is going to my kids & my precious granddaughters any closure or any chance to have a proper good-bye. I will be cremated and then a year later they will have a good old fashioned Irish wake.
@@Cheepchipsable it was arranged by a family member, his brother. I thought he knew better.
About the LSD questions,
you trip for about 8-12 hours, and if you have a benzodiazepine like a xanax pill, you can "kill" the trip, meaning that in about 20 minutes you stop the hallucinations (that are mainly visual effects with somewhat of an emotional aspect to it). It is common to take a benzo in the end of the trip because when you are coming out of it you feel really bad for about 4-8 hours. It is mostly used when you are having a bad trip, in order to end it as quickly as possible.
I hope this answer your questions !
Some people have horrific trips and are suggestible under the influence.
You would really need to be in good company to do LSD.
@@Cheepchipsable I couldn't agree more, you need to be accompanied by a trustworthy tripseater when you take hallucinogens.
The guy asking about "Seth leading people to their doom".....is missing a vital aspect. Rather than asking this question, he should be asking why his religion has a "Hell" component at all...and the immoral/unethical aspect of such an ideology. That should be his question....turned in onto his own faith.
So....the guy is using the typical Pascal's Wager fallacy.
What has the guy lost, if he found out the Bible and Christianity were false? How much money has he given to the church, since it is required that _10%_ of your wages "goes to god"? Over a long time, that can be a significant amount! What if he would have gone into a field of study that would have been far more lucrative.....but didn't because it ran contrary to his belief system in what is taught in that field?
No, he posed a hypothetical question. Surely he is entitled, or do only atheists get to do that? It's not really up to you to choose his questions for him.
Seth could have asked him a question in return.
@@Cheepchipsable I didn't "choose his question"....I said he _should_ have asked. He doesn't because he is apparently unaware of certain aspects of his own religion, so of course he wouldn't ask questions which would be far more relevant.
Just a general heads up: not all denominations ask for or require 10% tithing.
The guy asking the “how would you feel” question was very likely moving away from faith himself. I remember asking similar bad faith questions as I was really starting to question my faith.
He is a very stupid person. He has called into many shows and is probably the dumbest caller i have ever heard. He always says that evolution is a hoax because we have never seen a fish turn into a monkey, or a tadpole turn into a human. He is so arrogantly ignorant he is frustrating to even listen to.
Idk about that, he basically recited every bad argument apologists have tried for years. He's rant about evolution was particularly ignorant and obviously just a parrot of things he heard someone else say. He didn't sound on the fence at all to me, he couldn't acknowledge the rebuttals to his arguments at all. Probably because they totally dismantled his idiotic talking points.
@@drhexagonapus sometimes at the end of faith, you’re grasping for straws! I’ve been where this guy is right now, and I was spouting similar bs!!
The guy with the "How would you feel" is literally just spouting all of the worse nonsense, the worse of the apologist use, and should have expected to have it dismantled.
"I'm sorry. I have to give you a call back later..." The words of someone who knows he's about to get his ass handed to him and decided to get out while the getting is good!
You beat me to it. I thought the same thing.
Ive been accused of ''leading people to their doom.''
I simply point out that I must have more power than their God if that is the case.
As a European, it's always so strange for me to hear how important religion is in the US in politics and public life in general. Here, it's just the opposite! You "come out" as a Christian, prepare to be mocked and ridiculed!
As it should be....
Sounds wonderful. Sadly, that wouldn't fly here. It would feed their already bloated persecution complex and make them even more insufferable.
@@mruncletheredge Well, personally, I don't think anyone should be mocked and ridiculed. I'm all for constructive criticism. Plus, many people don't need to be ridiculed, they already ridicule themselves more than enough :-)
Actually, I'm a Christian myself, and I enjoy living in Europe, because I don't think anyone should get a privileged treatment based on, well, anything! And living among fundamentalist evangelicals, for example, would be insufferable even for me.
I agree with you. America is not a "free" country at all!! It's all an illusion caused by brainwashing! If I could, I'd move away to a different country.
@@cynimonry5919 The journey for me (discovering that America is NOT a free country) started nearly two decades ago...
It took nearly that long to figure out a solution but I eventually did.
I left.
Now I'm on an island in the Pacific with a commercial farm and doing just fine...
It's so hard to watch though as my country and my friends are slowly disappearing into the political and religious divisiveness that's taken over America.
The funny thing about Pascal's wager is it doesn't account for gods like jesus who are jealous and send you to hell for picking wrong.
So, much like the fermi paradox, the likely hood that you picked wrong and are going to a hell is nearly 100%, with the exception that you might already be there, assuming that a god is a possible outcome. How do you expect to win a game when you can't even comprehend the rules? There is no indication that a literal GOD is even possible because its logically inconsistent. Like a married batchlor or shrodinger's cat.
Second caller... I have encountered this often enough that I reverse the question.. and while he glossed over it as applied to himself.. he completely ignored the other side of this belief as applied to him. He misled others..he obviously has testified and acted upon his religious morality upon others, involving others, situations that includes others. He has encouraged this like belief that others should follow it.. that there is all these things in it..these benefits.. and that this is a truth that others should accept.. and yet if it is a lie..and not true...he has done exactly what he thinks those of non belief are doing.. and especially if he put effort to actually bring someone specific into belief. He misled them... So how would he feel?? It gets very uncomfortable for them at this point..
Thank you SO MUCH for raising awareness about the danger that Putin is.
Mr "leading people to hell" is basically doing a Pascal's Wager (with a side of why don't you just shut up). If you're right and there's no God well at least people are being good and feel happy, if you're wrong then you've led them to hell. But that's simply just not the case as if there is no God then they are believing lies, supporting a religion which supports atrocities, and wasting time talking to something that doesn't exist, etc. Also how weak (or cruel) is their God to allow that to happen?!
Pascal's Wager! Yes! That's exactly what I said out loud as he was spouting his accusations.
Correct. Don't know if it was intentional, but that was the crux of the accusation.
In regard to your last podcast, when someone says Merry Christmas to me, I will often times just say Merry Christmas back, however if I'm in a mood and its like a clerk at a store or say the Post Office as an actual example, given that these people are just assuming that everyone they encounter celebrates Christmas (or they don't assume and don't care) , I will sometimes reply with "Thank you! Happy Hanukah!"
Of course I'm not Jewish either (but they don't know that), and frankly I don't even know if it's the Hanukah time when I say it, but just to get the point across to the person who just randomly says Merry Christmas to me, a stranger to them.
I'm an atheist who celebrates Christmas; however, there has never been any religious meaning to the holiday in my family. If I said, "Merry Christmas!" to a stranger, say, while shopping or standing on line with groceries waiting for the cashier, I'd be fine if someone said back to me, "Happy Hanukah!" I wouldn't assume they were offended by what I said but, if they were offended, that's okay, too. They're entitled to their feelings, which are caused by their perception of the interaction, not by what I said. Cheers! And Happy Early Christmas!! ;-)
@@tkenglander6226 I think a lot of people who just say "Merry Christmas" as a general holiday greeting wouldn't be offended to be returned with a Happy Hanukkah. Though there are definitely those who would at least be taken aback. To me it's more to get them to think that maybe a more generalized greeting is appropriate after all.
Hey Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeth!!!! Is the thumbnail of you as a fire and brimstone preacher available as a poster? I would proudly put it on my wall for sure!
Go, Ruth!
Couldn’t find the Lakeland, Florida school story, but I did find the Merritt Island, Florida school story, and the important response:
“The nation's largest Native American rights group has weighed in on the debate around Edgewood Jr./Sr. High School's controversial move to retire its "Indian" mascot.
The National Congress of American Indians, in a Sept. 17 email to the Merritt Island school, reiterated its longtime stance against the use of "Native 'themed' mascots," arguing that such depictions have long bolstered racist views and other harms against Native Americans.”
SPOILER RE THE FINAL CALL but.... As someone who used to have wonderful experiences on LSD in cemeteries, I am also very glad there is no video footage of these excursions.
The last lady was awesome! 😂 😂 😂
"Leading them to their doom" is just another stereotypical thing theists say that we ⚛ do. Which is pathetic because that is what theists really do.
Wow, you said made that statement completely unironically didn't you?
@@Cheepchipsable I guess I did.
I had the same trouble Seth only in my late thirties and Ice have trouble remembering what stories I've told people and what I haven't
just to answer the question, I am
@17:15, once Andrew staring to Open the bible knowledge, Jay get exposed can't handle it "I gotta go..." Hilarious 🤣😆😄 the world need Andrew, Matt, Rah, the late Hitchen.... among other online critical thinkers
Sorry, but I'm a child of the 90's. When I hear "DooM," I remember that the only thing THEY fear, is me. Rip and Tear until it is done.
both myself and my coworker went to highschools with native american mascots. both of us feel immediately the gym called the Reservation is sooo clearly wrong.
i was in school when the first wave of colleges changing mascots from native charactures. our school ran a (more cleverly named) "we're not ever changing our mascot" campaign. at the time i was on their side, tradition blah blah. i now see that campaign as clearly racist and bigoted and am ashamed to have been a part
jesus Ruth, i would not want to be in a cemetery on lsd
PS seth, its 12 hours, you get out when it wears off, thats why situation is so big for psychedelics
I LOVE Ruth! I want to be her friend!
Ruth is my new favorite person 😂
IF we are made from dirt, why is there still dirt.
... I know a buncha Atheists around here who'd get a huge kick out of the zombie thing, Ruth. Thank you for that.
IDK what the title is about yet but the answer is clearly no, quite the opposite in fact
Its it a coincidence that the dumbest people I have ever encountered have all been religous?
Ref. this Herschel Walker chappie, I’m from the UK and don’t understand American football, but don’t football players normally wear head protection?
People have choices.
LSD lasts for approx 4-8 hrs... the only thing I don't like about it is you get dehydrated. The rest is great. If you have a bad trip you talk yourself down from whatever your going through. But, I've never had that problem in the half dozen times I've done it. It was all euphoria and laughter.
Taxing the church will start a chan reaction to eliminate most !
There doesn't seem to be any delay in the calls.
Can the ACA get this tech?
Regarding the caller around 30:00, my high school mascot is the Redmen. The school board recently debated changing the name, and so far have decided against it. One of the arguments people made was that it was chosen to "honor" Native Americans, and of course they knew natives who were OK with it. Two points I made were to ask what the reaction would have been had those Native Americans said "this is offensive and racist. We're people not mascots." My second point is that we as white people don't get to decide whether something is offensive to minority groups; those groups are the only ones that get to make that decision, and how many of them need to be bothered by it for it to be an issue?
I live in Cleveland, and we recently changed our baseball team name from the Indians to the Guardians. I had a friend - who is as ginger as the day is long - claim he's part Cherokee and he didn't find it offensive. I asked him if he identifies as Cherokee, and if he's ever been treated different because of his native heritage. He shut up about it after that.
If Jesus was “the ONLY god who wept and bled” there must have been other gods who didn’t. Who might they be? Can they “save” us too?
LSD trips are about 6-8 hours, intense for the first 2, then the rest of the time it diminishes.
That one guy was crazy. Unbelievable
I good way I like to explain the monkey thing is to impress upon people that they didn't descend from their cousin yet their cousin still exists. You have a common ancestor -- your grandparent. Then extrapolate that idea out over millions of years.
Your logic is good, but would be wasted on the believers. (Who aren't themselves logical)
I would answer his question like this:
I don't feel responsible for leading anyone to hell first of all. Second of all people make up their own minds on such subjects so regardless of what I say or do their thoughts and actions are what defy their supposedly hell sentence. Thirdly, it's entirely on God why people go to hell in the first place since it made the whole process. There could have been an entirely different universe where nobody goes to hell so it's on him/she/it 100%.
All that guy would have heard is your four first words and then he would have been off to the races calling you a monster. The reason Seth didn't give that kind of answer is because that guy was only looking for a sound bite like your first four words.
Yes they are. And I was a on believer, but dear God it's like watching Sodom and Gamora live.
I've known people in my town who have seen the evidence of something not happening. That evidence is not seeing it happen. So not knowing that it does happen equals knowing that it doesn't happen. I don't argue with nutters anymore. Wonder if that guy know who discovered frauds, and what method they used. It almost sounds like he's saying it like it's a bad thing.
Those darn evangelical atheist.
Some of us can get like that at times and it's as annoying and condescending as any door knocker imo. Most of us just want to be left alone to live our lives in peace and are happy to leave others the same way.
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*Damn
That's exactly how I would describe some of them - usually the ex-hardcore believers.
You would have to be of an evangelical bent to go on tour to spread the word.
The second caller is doing Pascal's Christian bet...but he's conveniently forgetting about Pascal's Muslim bet, Jewish bet, Hindu bet...etc etc.
There's also elements of egotistical thought such as "You're leading them away from *My* Religion".
And he's also afraid of being left alone with being the only one who believes in nonsensical dieties.
Hehe, that guy that hung up at 24:00 he sounded like one of those guys that constantly argue with the Atheist Experience, I wouldn't doubt that he probably called Matt Dillahunty and posed the exact same question with the same arguments.
Poor guy.
Yea i recognize the voice.
The leading people to hell guy, didn't really flip it around, otherwise his justification for leading people to hell was the Bible helped him a lot.
My answer the irritating "how would you feel" guy would've been: "Proud. I resist authoritarianism."
This lady about atheist politicians reminded me how often I get to hear how similar our religious cultures are, but this was just one more proof to pile that it ain't so. Vast majority of finns don't give a thought to damage others property just because sticker disagrees with them! Wtf, that should be exceptional vandalism, not something to be feared of!
To the caller, look into the term "irreligious"
Wow, poor Jay. Deluded, deranged, dangerously ignorant. I wonder how he feels, hypothetically, about all of the harms done by his religion. If the religion is true, it's even worse.
Indians was what good old Christopher Columbus tagged the indigenous peoples with! He thought he was in India initially. So I can understand why we need to blow up that name! Also the term redskins was a huge pejorative in all the westerns I watched as a kid! Certainly not a term of endearment!
Did Wondrium have anything about Bill Clinton interfering in Russian politics to make sure Yeltsin won?
What if the religious lead people to the wrong god or religion?
Sure why not
Giving god credit for beating addiction is taking away all the hard work that you YOURSELF did or put in Jesus or God had nothing to do with it the strength was inside you the whole time God and Jesus is just a placebo effect at best.
I've heard a few atheist say that if they are speaking to someone whom they believe their faith is so important it might be damaging to their mental health to lose it, they won't question them too hard.
LSD lasts about 56 hours the trip itself only last about 4 it's wonderful
Jezus that one caller really went down apologetics.
Kind of obvious I thought.
Leading them to doom is, I would imagine, for example instigating people to kill or harm others in the name of some ideology, be it a worldly or spiritual ideology.
If there is a god or karma or any supernatural judgement day in the afterlife, I'm fairly certain that your humanitarian attitude, ethical behaviour and good deeds are perfectly enough to pass. I'm also fairly certain that god hates sycophants.
If you follow the bible, being a sycophant seems the only way to go.
Lucky he got a call from his Canadian girl friend❗
You know even the Christian bloggers are tackling the contradictions and paradoxes of their faith and Bible in an effort to stay relevant. Of course they usually conclude that its all true but the drip drip of exposure to the problems is weakening
Since when does the few get to rule the many...
That is supposed to say 5 or 6 hours
Free start button [2:45]
New York is real and I'm pretty sure there someone out there that name is or was Peter Parker but is that person really spiderman NO that's impossible and Jesus existence is the same thing. Did he exist idk maybe but was he supernatural NO that's impossible.
What if all those Christian priests are wrong and they're leading people to the wrong god
He needs to stop drinking the coolaid
The 'What If' caller needs to be asked the same question about Judaism, Islam, Egyptian religion, Greek and Roman religions, Norse religion, etc. If he really says that the wrong religion leads to eternal torment, why isn't he investigating ALL religions to find out which one is right? (They're ALL wrong, IMHO, but would welcome evidence that one or more is true).
Who then *fled* as soon as it became obvious he was going to have to defend the Bible rather than just attacking 'evolution', attacking other culture war enemies.
hey I have a idea for a episode, do one on conservative atheist. I almost never hear from them but they are at least 40 percent of overall nonbelievers
People actually believe the earth is six thousand years old, if there is a god he must shake his head in wonder
It was weird when i came out as an atheist to a Christian friend and cited evolution when discussing the problem of evil, i had always believed in it and just assumed that another 24 year oldlike me that passed high school also believed it. But i had no idea he was a YEC. It was weird when i realized how many people around me actually think that and i didn't know because it never came up until they where trying to reconvert me.
@@spectrepar2458yeah it’s like showing someone ancient Roman ruins and they being convinced they were built last year, it’s so bizarre one is not sure it’s even sane to contemplate how this reasoning can even exist in the absence of home made liquor.
When it comes to family it doesn't pay to get upset, just be nice.
I had one of those spiritual moments, today I see was just my experience and not a god experience, maybe just a case of brain fuckery. =)
Is the caller a troll?
I always love Americans when it comes to electing a president.. They act as if each new president is an independent, free from all party affiliations, entity.. Obama was a Democrat and that's why nothing really changed. Trump was a Republican and that's why nothing really changed.
American always get all worked up about federal elections but the 2 party's platforms are clearly stated... Isn't about time to admit that its just a big popularity contest, something akin to picking a new mascot for a major sports team.
It actually does matter though. Presidents propose supreme court justices, who actually make important rulings that effect our lives. People didn't want to vote for Hillary, so we got trump. Who put in religious conservatives to the supreme court. They are going to outlaw abortion. See how that works? Obama made it legal for me as a gay man to marry. These are just two examples of how presidents do effect us.
@@cullenarthur8879 But its not the president. The president is taking his marching orders from the party. Do you really think the Democratic party or the Republican party would allow an individual to rise in the party if they were an independent? Do I need to point out Bernie Sanders?
If Trump stepped out of line 'one inch' the Republican party would have walked over to the Dems and said... So you want to impeach Trump? Well you just might have the votes now.
God was the most prolific serial killer of all time. In the name of god..
Make your mother read any (good) high fantasy books (Tolkien's Lord of the Rings for example or the Hobbit!), those show without a doubt that humans have more imagination that what was used to put together the current edition of 'The Goat Herder's Guide to the Universe' (seriously, over the centuries they even removed parts and they would probably do so again, if there weren't billions of copies of "the good book" (which is a bad, inhumane book...I mean it endorses stoning disobedient chidlren! I doubt most of us would be alive if our parents stoned us if we didn't obey ASAP!) out there, so they can't sneak in an edit, because only the clergy and nobility can actually read the book because it's writen in Latin!)
So its wrong for humans to lead people to there doom,but god creating the devil to mess with ya is fine??