We Call B.S. (with Tom & Cecil of Cognitive Dissonance)
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Tom Curry and Cecil Cicirello talk about their irreverent new book, "The Grand Unified Theory of Bullshit."
BOOK LINK: amzn.to/3vdqcM9
COGDIS PODCAST: www.dissonancepod.com
This type of conversation should be required listening. It is so reasonable and logical. Thank you for all you do! It is very needed! :)
To quote an historic and most beloved ‘Mericn restaurateur, “I’’m lovin’ it”. I want more of this trio!
I guess if you enjoy verbosity…
When Alice fell through the rabbit-hole into Wonderland, she was convinced that she had fallen right through the earth and was destined to come out where people would be upside down. She referred to such reversals as Antipathies... boom!
Awesome interview! Seth!! Thank you for introducing me to these guys. They just earned a new subscriber. You guys have a great chemistry. I hope you do more discussions with them in the future.
Years ago, I got introduced to these guys by Seth as well, think it was the first time the CogDis guys where on TTA!
Back then I listened to TTA every week, but I have to confess, now it’s only occasional that I listen to TTA.
Via the CogDis podcast I got introduced to the Puzzle in a Thunderstorm crew, who now makes The Scathing Atheist, God Awful Movies, the biweekly The Skepticrat, the monthly D&D Minus, and in collaboration with the CogDis guys, the Citation Needed podcast.
And when the Lawyer for Puzzle in a Thunderstorm crew, Andrew Torrez, started doing the podcast Opening Arguments with close friend of the PiaT crew AND the CogDis guys, Thomas Smith, I also got on board with that.
And since both Thomas AND Andrew respectively is part of Serious Inquiries Only, and Clean Up on Aisle 45 - I had to add these to my playlist as well!
So not a bad word about Seth, and Seth still has the most awesome voice within Podcasting - but it’s kind of his own fault that I now only listen to TTA when there’s guests on I wanna hear him interview, and of course, the Halloween episode!
Just wanna say thank you to Seth for introducing these guys.
I think it was after the first time Seth had them on, that I started to listen to the CogDis podcast!
And soon after, CogDis got me introduced to The Puzzle in a Thunderstorm crew!
These people helped me through the worst time of my life!
I'm halfway through Tom and Cecil's book and I'm listening to Seth's new book. I'm so happy to be immersed in so much great information from 3 of my favorite voices! You are all doing great!
It's so great to see people here on TTA making positive comments about the CogDis guys - them, and the PiaT crew has helped me through the worst part of my life..
My introduction to CogDis was here on TTA, the first time Seth had them on the show - and I've been a fan since then...
One of Colbert's biggest re-occurring jokes was that the far right would co-opt his works unironically thinking he was on their side, and I think he knew that that part of it was a reality. After all, that's really what satire is really about. You have to know the reality to really make fun of it.
Well, back then most of us knew it was satire, now it would just be a show where he repeat the mild and least insane part of what they say, while smiling!
@@gorillaguerillaDK Well, most of us knew it was satire, except the guys who booked him as a speaker at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Dinner. They soon found out.
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Now maybe I just recall it incorrectly, but as I remember it, the guy who booked him, was going on pension so it was the last time he had to book for the dinner, and he knew who Colbert was, and knew he would do satire, but perhaps he didn't realize how scathing it would actually be or simply just felt that he had to find some excuse for booking a comedian who took the opportunity and bashed the press core, the POTUS and his admin, and several others, including SCOTUS Judge Scalia, who for all the bad shit we can say about him, actually did have a sense of humor, and was one of the few who laughed wholeheartedly when Colbert made fun of him.
(I've often wondered what kind of person Scalia was in private, because as a judge he was horrible, but he had several close friends who was very different from him, perhaps most famously his colleague RBG, but also the author Christopher Hitchens, just to name a few - and at that diner it was clear that he, unlike many of the others Colbert sliced with his verbal sword, could take it!).
But it definitely lead to the guy who booked Colbert to brushing the criticism of why he had booked Colbert off with, "not knowing much about him", or something similar - but as I said, it might be me remembering it poorly, but he wasn't beeing completely honest!
But Colbert did a great job, and the aftermath was hilarious!!!
Thanks Seth! These guys are super entertaining! 😅
I really enjoyed this. I often preface something I am saying with, “I read somewhere”. I am going to be more intentional. Thanks for the great conversation.
“On Bullshit” by Harry Frankfurt, 2006.
“Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care if what they say is true or false, but cares only whether the listener is persuaded.” -Wikipedia
Frankfurt's "On Bullshit" is fruitful reading. It's a small book - essay length, on Princeton University Press. It can be read in an hour or so. It is clear enough to be immediately accessible, and deep enough to provoke reflection and to prompt rereading.
Having cough-variant asthma is a boon in these times - I can cough into my mask and people keep their distance and don't bother to ask why I'm wearing it 😂
This show was priceless.
I am an adult human and I want to believe true things ergo give me more and more MISINFORMATION. Perhaps for those humans that remain childish there could be a site called, "this is pure misinformation." Naw, never mind, some people just never grow up.
Thank you for the excellent conversation.
Tooth Pain Treatment(do each step until fixed)
1 Brush teeth/floss
2 Ibuprofen
3 Flush with water
4 Soak with Rum
5 Rock gently, smack leg, make verbal deals with affected area and/or mystical Powers/Beings
6 Call Dentist when you can't cope anymore
All used successfully, however, it's probably better to just do the Dentist first.
Or do as I once did - remove tooth yourself!
Not that I recommend it, but it can be done!
Oh, and I tried soaking it with Navy Strength Gin - can’t be recommended!
After 14 hours of surgery, by the top 6 Mayo Clinic specialists, and I will live!!!! Yaaaaayyyyy My prayers worked, Jesus saved me!!! THANK GOD I will only be paralyzed, incontinent, 84% Blind, and have frequent unexplained seizures and migraines for the rest of my life! God is good! Yippeeeeeeee!! (
@@gorillaguerillaDK Yeah well, basic dentist costs like that should be covered in universal health care. That was the case in our country until about a decade ago and people now have to choose to have their teeth fixed or to clothe their children and feed them. People in general now have worse teeth, less confidence, there are more suicides, family tragedies, depressions, jobs lost, etc., but hey, I can't show causal relations between those things and as long as I can't show that, right wing parties will keep the dentist out of the insurance, but it's really not hard to see that not having the dentist included in an affordable insurance is bad for everyone. Jut have a talk about it with a 6 year old and ask them what they think will happen if people can't pay to have their teeth fixed and how those people would feel and what impacts that has on their lives and on the people around them and on their jobs, studies, and whatnot. They'll predict what is happening right now.
And people wonder why I find conservative thinkers stupid. And I don't mean conservative as being the people in the Republican party in the USA. I mean conservative thinking, all over the world, from anyone, even people we love who might be progressive on one topic and then apathetic and completely stupid and backwards when it comes to something they want to protect for the worst reasons imaginable, just because they have never had any motivation to think about it critically.
I know someone who wants all the same rights she has to extend to gay people, yet she thinks that people talking about sexual orientation or being trans are pushing their ideas on her and her children and that gender is a fantasy and there are only sexes, except when you're intersex for some reason, and obviously your brain necessarily matches the external organs otherwise you're wrong and she's right.
It stuns me to hear an intelligent person like her say these contradictory things that she hears herself saying. She isn't stupid, but she sure fucking acts stupid when you get her to talk about what she thinks and believes.
idk why but Seth saying "that sounds kinda naughty" was the naughtiest thing I've ever heard
Whenever I make a quip online I always feel the need to add a laugh emoji or a lol because some humourless person is guaranteed to take you at face value.
Thoroughly enjoyable conversation, Seth! I'm going to follow yet another great podcast!
Great conversation! Thanks guys! 😊
Seth, TRUST ME, keep the Tiktok. You are VERY much wanted/needed. Tom & Cecil….let Ian do it…
Tiktok has given me a great start to my own Ex-Jehovahs Witness activism! I can't wait to do more!
You almost always find that membership in a denomination or church (especially one of those new informal ones) is rooted in a need for friendship, acceptance, a set of circumscribed "safe" social activities in a club wherein "the bylaws are shorter, and you are personally acquainted with the other members" who believe as you do; as well as material assistance and the possibility of finding a marriage partner. At present, breaking away into atheism seems like abandoning a lush banquet of social benefits for a barren iceberg floating alone! I exaggerate, of course.
One of the best episodes ever
I’ve read Harry G. Frankfurt’s book “On bullsh-t.” He actually doesn’t provide a concise definition but rather spends the entire book elucidating what that definition may or may not be, often through the lens of other philosophers, from Pascal to Wittgenstein. It’s certainly worth a look, as is his follow-up book, On Truth.
So he was basically bullsh!tt!ng his way through it? Pure brilliance.
I think this is the first time I've heard of someone else having cough variant asthma. Getting my diagnosis took months because I done have "asthma" symptoms.
24:00 cultural connection/shared reality. We're drifting away from that. There are news channels, websites, podcasts and social media accounts/groups for whatever reality suits me the best. There's a problem with this for anyone who believes in objective reality and coexistence. Because the earth is either flat or not flat. We're creating a society with multiple truths that are mutually exclusive. And we still have to coexist, cooperate and function as humans while being so devided.
"Holocaust denial needs a place to live..." Yeah, like smallpox or tuberculosis!
"There are fine people on both sides."
Probably, and that is as relevant as saying there is harmless sand and pebbles and life giving water in a mudslide that wiped out thousands of people.
I know this is late, but I wanted to share my story. I had a chiropractor, who was also licensed as a general practitioner, as my main doctor. I was seeing him for neck and shoulder pain. I went to see him for neck pain and because I was getting hand cramps when performing tasks like writing or typing. He did his thing, which included a neck manipulation. The next morning I was unable to even hold a pencil. I went to see him and, after asking some questions from across the room (he didn't even examine me), he sent me to the local hospital for an MRI. He had sent me for x-rays in the past, but this was my first MRI. Of course the MRI technicians never tell you what they may have found with the scans, they send them to your doctor, so they sent me on my way. On the way home I had a flat tire, and while trying to loosen a rusted lug nut I felt a shock run down my body and my, legs gave out. I somehow managed to get the tire changed, but there was obviously a problem. Turns out, my chiropractor had caused a small rupture in one of the discs in my neck (which showed on the MRI), and the tire change had blown it the rest of the way out. It eventually resulted in a 3 level fusion in my neck and I had to go on disability. Stay away from chiropractors!
They say that about chiropractors as if you don't get 9 different opinions from 10 different doctors for the exact same complaint in a regular medical practice and then whats worse these doctors will talk down to you for trying to think for yourself after they fed you their nice steaming bowl of incompetency.
If you get incompetency from your doctor, you should get a new one!
Exactly! & if egg fertilization is so "divine" & "gods will", why send millions of sperm to die to fertilize an egg? Where is the sanctity of life there?
I just started to type "does free will exist?" into Google and the second suggestion down as I typed was "does Free Willy die in the movie?" No BS!!!
I remember the "Miracle Unpregnancy's" we'd hear of in Baptist youth group from the PK and big money deacons and leaders daughter and granddaughters. What are they going to do in Texas? Drive across state lines or send their girl's to distant relatives for a "vacation" so they don't disgrace the family name?
Mexico.
Always happy to hear Tom Curry and Cecil Something-Italian.
Excellent podcast!
Great talk. Thank you.
I've watched a few Carnivore videos, and one of the things that got stuck in my head, was this single statement: "Nothing wants to get eaten. Animals will fight you or run away, and plants will poison you. That's why it a bad idea to eat plants."
This has lead me down the rabbit hole of "Holy crap! Plants really do have a lot of chemicals that mess us up. Why do we keep eating them?"
I grew up with the internet coming out and hearing the rumors of another world. I tuned into online radios in the 90s listening to Electronica, Industrial, and New Age. I left the mainstream cultural world a long time ago. I never cared much for it.
That Adam Savage quote is him quoting the movie DungeonMaster by the way.
That was excellent- thank you.
The church refuses to stop celibacy and teaching twisted ideas on sex.
And they have to keep changing (or twisting) the definition of what constitutes evidence so that certain people if not all will keep listening to them.
'We're swimming in the soup.'
Indeed we are. We only come across that which we come across. Only something we came across makes us look for either more or something else.
Philosophy has its use. Thinking deeply and thinking 2 steps (or more) ahead in all directions has its use. But even thinkers think all kind of things and hardly 2 thinkers think exactly alike. The use of philosophy has boundaries, and when boundaries are reached, philosophy loses its use.
They come to us In insidious ways
So true. I've literally fell into some crazy bullshit from my.own life experiences.
It's very important to take a bigger look.
One big one for me was alternative medicine
Thanks for a incredible talk
Yep. For me it was religion, luckily only for a few months and decades later I fell for a 9/11 conspiracy and an HIV/AIDS conspiracy.
I was very lucky that I was looking at more videos from different sources because I wanted more information and the information I got was a pattern of the same footage over and over, with someone saying that evidence was missing and eye witnesses... yada yada. Of the thousands of people I saw just 4 or 5 people in all the videos, made by different people, the same footage fro the same cameras, while I was certain I saw a lot more by just watching the news just after it happened. So after having been caught in a loop by nefarious people making me suspicious of what happened on 9/11, I got really suspicious of what they were showing, how they showed it, and why.
And then I stumbled on a Potholer video that explained the manipulation tactics that I noticed and was like, that is _exactly_ the fucking pattern I started noticing.
Just after that I found a playlist that i never found again that showed and explained all of those "suspicious" things the conspiracy videos used to make viewers feel worried and suspicious. There is plenty of evidence and in context, those few eye witnesses didn't even say what they seemed to suggest in the conspiracy videos and there were a lot more witnesses and all of it together paints a very simple and clear picture of terrorists wanting to punish the US with mass murder for bombing the middle east and waging war there and killing people. It all fit perfectly in the story of the world, there's nothing suspicious about it. It's just stupid and deadly shit that actually happened. I almost wish there was a conspiracy and it was all fake and all those people didn't die.
But bottom line, I was just scared into believing horseshit by leaving out key information and then being emotionally manipulated to see that as justification for suspecting fowl play from western governments. I even do that manipulation to myself in a way, for fun, by watching scary movies and getting on a roller coaster ride and it took me months to see that this adrenaline rush was being used to manipulate millions of people and it works. I am smart enough to see through it and I didn't - I was never taught how to think critically.
I think that should be taught in schools, as early as possible. That could have saved me 3 decades of believing stupid shit and being far less productive than I was. But it also saves millions of lives that are diminished or wasted by losing jobs, friends, family, over believed horseshit because people are vulnerable to manipulation. That's not even mentioning the deaths as a result of people believing nonsense for shit reasons.
The part about abortion and keeping women out of the working force 🤯.... Damn! Makes you think huh... Captivating conversations guydy... Love from Italy 🇮🇹
Absolutely fuckin love this!!!!! Thanks Seth and other dudes I’m gonna start listening to!! 👍👍
Thinking Atheist, Wonderful conversation! CogDis is great. 👍🥰💝✌
Our bodies and minds are sympathetic to getting some healing.
Can't wait for show #666 Seth 👹
Go Devils! Wait... wrong show. Sorry.
I'm reading and enjoying the book at the moment. Great stuff.
I love Tom and Cecil!
Me too 😁
Trollification of Reality would be a good name for a parody band.
Got the book, I'll read it soon.
It might be a good name for a regular band
I went to two different chiropractors. One said my right leg is longer than my left. The other said my left leg is longer than my right. 🤔
I did get relief from my lower back tension though.
36:43 First time I've ever heard Seth swear. 🤣
Are ringtones still a thing? Somebody make a ringtone!
It all comes down to our inherent tribal behavior that’s baked into our biology.
Back manipulation should be in medical school, not a separate thing.
Why'd they get Cecil's last name wrong though? I was certain it was Cecil Sumthinayetalian...
Good talk guys! :)
Just wanna mention about the acupuncture bit, medical practitioners don't generally prescribe this treatment for respiratory issues. It's used mainly for pain relief (I get migraines and my personal experience of acupuncture has been hugely beneficial). So if anyone has musculoskeletal issues, their doctor may recommend it as a course of treatment. Edit: a word
I go to a TCM practitioner for help with my nasal allergies. He uses both acupuncture and herbology in my treatment. Not exactly respiratory, but close.
outside of anecdotes or "personal experience" have you investigated what evidence actually exists for acupuncture (or any other alternative medicine)? The only conclusion I think we have solid evidence for is that the belief that it will work triggers the placebo effect. This alters your perception a lot more than most people might expect. If it's only a placebo then we would expect for it to only work for people who expect it to work, which is what happens. If its only psychological then we should expect that it has no effect on physiological benefit. It doesn't. I have chronic pain and I've tried everything. It had zero effect for me. All of the quality studies that I've read conclude that acupuncture is no more effective than the placebo that they can test it against. Granted, it's hard to test because the basis of acupuncture is essentially magic. That's not science. it's religious thinking.
@@justingrover4030 I understand your points and don’t necessarily disagree with you. I have a very limited understanding of how acupuncture works and don’t profess to be an expert, however, I believe it’s meant to stimulate nerve responses to promote healing. As I said, I don’t understand how that works, only that it does for me. I hope medical science manages to work out how acupuncture works for some people and not others because that would be a fascinating study!
We can explain why acupuncture can have an effect on pain related issues - and WHO recognize acupuncture for pain relief, (and I think nausea has been added, but I’m not sure), however, this is within the world of "Western Medicine" - "TCM" is Eastern "medicine", and they use acupuncture for all sorts of things!
It isn’t evidence based, like, at all - and is alternative "medicine"…
Using acupuncture for pain is a lot easier to explain - it can be done with pressure points as well.
It’s all about the physiological process the body responds with due to certain kinds of stimuli!
Of course, add to this, and TCM, and all treatment, that various kinds of placebos get triggered!
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Not nerves, at least not directly, especially not in TCM.
If you get to read the other comment I made, I make a very short description.
But to elaborate, when you stimulate the tissue, perhaps even puncture it, the body releases endorfines and histamine.
Histamine increases blood flow and endorfines inhibits "pain"…
Add to this the effect of knowing someone is trying to help you, you get to relax for a moment, etc…
The benefit of using acupuncture is primarily for the therapist, but of course, using Trigger Points can be more painful, and if you’re uncomfortable with having someone touching you, it can be great with acupuncture.
BUT, only for a very limited set of conditions.
It’s also okay for a certain type of chronic epicondylitis lateralis!
Well, for every one Qanan believer who finally started having doubts when JFK didn't show up, 10 others doubled down and tried to figure out what conspiracy kept him from coming! Oh, and wasn't Elvis supposed to show up too??? (
Smart, fun guys with heinous beards.
I go to the chiropractor because I have lowback issues because I broke my hip 13 years ago and it helps. I think massage helps more. My chiropractor doesn't offer any other treatments. I would love to be able to find an osteopathic doctor that does manipulations but there are none in my area.
Or just find a Massage/Manual Therapist or Physiotherapist who know Manual Therapy/Medicine...
Chiropractic is just an offspring from Osteopathy - you don't need that BS for simple biomechanical therapy and massage!
There are some conditions that chiropractic care can help with. I have one of those and have had great success with chiropractic care. Is it going to do things like cure cancer? Hell no.
I had sacroiliac joint separation during pregnancy and my pelvis came back together crooked, causing severe lower and mid back pain. Slowly over the last 18 years, it's improved. Generally I live without pain, and can go for several months without an adjustment.
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Yup, a very classic cause of LBP - it's all about biomechanics. However, at least here where I live, a skilled Physiotherapist/Manual Therapist can help you with that, AND with a Physiotherapist you will usually also get the necessary exercises to decrease the risk of it happening.
I do realize that different countries has different standards for what a Physiotherapist or a Chiropractor do.
Even different standards for Osteopaths and Chiropractors!
@@gorillaguerillaDK - I'm Australian currently living in NZ. In both countries it seems that chiros also do things like sports injury therapy. I went to a physiotherapist first and the exercises did nothing. But after the chiro manipulation, the exercises definitely helped.
But if someone told me that a chiro could cure my asthma, I'd run away.
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And you definitely should run!
I'm from Denmark, and here our Chiropractors would lose their authorisation if they made such insane claims.
The education we give what is commonly known as Chiropractors is at a University and is called Clinical Biomechanics, and it's a Candidate degree, (similar to a Masters degree), where the Bachelor degree part is taken together with those studying medicine.
Osteopathy isn't a state financed education here but the education exists in private settings and they can apply for a state authorization, but they get a degree from an English, Belgian or sometimes an American University!
However, here it's primarily the Osteopaths who tend to be wackos - especially in regards to vaccines!
But it makes sense to anyone who know the history of the field of Osteopathic and Chiropractic fields.
If you didn't know, both Chiropractic and Craniosacral therapy is based in Osteopathic therapy...
Also, sadly it's far from all Physiotherapists who has the necessary extra education in manual medicine, but they do exist!
It's like the people who first heard Hitler and said, Oh, ha, he's nuts. No one will take him seriously.
There is nothing wrong with bias as long as you share mine. 😁
I have no Beliefs.
I gave up all Beliefs when I gave up all god Beliefs.
23:02 Omg this says what I've been feeling lately so well. I thought we were on the upswing with critical thinking and atheism and the like but no. If anything it's gotten worse
The one guy (i believe his name is Tom) looks a little like Dana Gould with a beard.
While I agree in general. Some points in this interview gets pretty close to "take away the first ammendment" ( which I know they aren't saying )
What if. That is what it took for me to study and leave the mormon cult after 50 years. What if I am wrong?
OK. Where's the audiobook?? This thing cries out for an audiobook. Seth could read it. We would buy it. Where's the audiobook?
Tom is the voice on the Audiobook
They removed your interview with Noah :(
Its up again!
Your positivity was before The Mule Trump. Who let the vampires out?
But if everyone has biases, wouldn't it be better to let other speech correct misinformed speech? Removing or censoring can always backfire.
Hey. Don't you make fun of MySpace. Before it became a Facebook clone, my personal page was BEAUTIFUL, with it's vampire background, effects and embedded media player.... Then it just went to Hell.
The UA-cam commentators have people who make a video saying the commentator's work helped them out of faulty thinking.
Yup. BS is an actual scientific term. I've heard Sean Carroll use it before.
At least you didn't post their real names: Tom Garlic and Cecil Something Something Italian.
And their child Gary.
@@ambulocetusnatans Cecil has no child. He has murder abortioned them all after birth with his fencing sword
Kinda like the my pillow guy saying is products will cure or prevent COVID
Look up the book "On Bullshit." It's actually very good, even if you aren't a philosopher.
It's like religion where they wait decade after decade for jesus to come and he doesn't but they can't let go.
Who’s the 90’s guy in the red chair in the frame on the wall behind Tom I think it is? And why? Lol
Come join us on the livestream to find out. Thursdays at 9 Chicago time.
Author Harry G. Frankfurt
Psychology, confabulate... to fill in gaps in one's memory with fabrications that one believes to be facts.
When religious people ask me what created the univers, i say a seed, what created all the plants in the world?, seeds, what created the UNIVERS, a seed, it was a univers seed, like a poppy seed, or a corn seed, not God, just a seed, we see that in nature, we dont see god in nature, we see seeds, we dont see god in the production of life, we see seeds and eggs, and an egg is just a seed, there is no need for god, just seeds.
Francis has let up on some of the anti stuff. Less christian than former popes.
Bigfoot! What! Joe Rogan is wrong! Do you notice how these skeptical shows never touch the Joe Rogan Show or The Jimmy Dore Show... Two shows that shovel it out at full volume and the skeptics never even peep about them. Why?
My best guess is because skeptics in the vein of Seth are hyperfocused on the religious, particularly American Christians. Rogan and Dore aren't pastors or acknowledged as religious figures so they go on the back burner of concern indefinitely
I'm not so sure they even know who Dimmy Dork is - but they, and their buddies on the Skepticrats/The Scathing Atheist, has all criticized Joe Rogan!
Sorry Tom is wrong, most beliefs are formed when we're young and that base is built upon as an adult. Religion is the obvious example but look at racism, sexism etc. when you're exposed to it in your formative years by adults around you, the same adult that you're also told not to question.
I'll be 40 in 4 days and I'm just now critically thinking about what I'm thinking about, you're never too old to learn.
Jesus will take the wheel? More like he is asleep at the wheel,sick of this god is gonna saves us crap, we have eachother,nothing more!!
And Oprah has aided grifters.
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it's pronounced Cecil italian something
Cicirello!
@@gorillaguerillaDK episkey!
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I had to look that up, haven't read HP....
But I'm starting to get the impression that I missed a joke!?
But isn't it supposed to go like this:
Cecil SomethingSomethingItalian?
@@gorillaguerillaDK they use it to fix harry's nose, thats what i say when someone sneezes instead of "bless you", it was either that or something offensive from family guy
@@kermitthorson9719
LOL, well thank you for going with the HP "spell" then - at least I learned something new.
I would probably have missed the Family Guy reference anyway.. LOL
I'm sorry but when it comes to big pharma, I am very skeptical. There was a story, years ago, about a former RCMP police officer in Canada who was diagnosed with terminal cancer, who not only is still alive after being told that he had months or a few years at best, cured his cancer with distilled, refined weed oil and he is still producing said weed oil that he distributes for free to any cancer patient that contacts him. That alone should make anyone question big pharma but that is not the end of the story. A couple in the US who's son had cancer and was being pumped full of radiation a chemo, was slowly dying in great pain. The father got some of the oil and started injecting it into his son's feeding tube, attached to his stomach and after a few days and weeks, the tumor started shrinking and had all but disappeared. The doctors and nurses were all saying it was a miracle, when the father told him what he had been doing, the hospital had him arrested and banned him and his wife from the hospital and a few weeks later the cancer came back with a vengeance and the poor little boy died.
Big Pharma and these doctors killed a little boy because they are full of themselves and anything but big pharma is quackery to these morons
That bit especially that I had a great aunt who had cancer and was receiving radiation treatments for it when a nurse or technician forgot to put, what my cousin, her son, referred to as sand bags (Think the led vest they put on you when getting an X-Ray), so she received 100% radiation dose and a day and a half later she was dead and the hospital, blamed it on the cancer and not human error, which it was. Don't get me wrong, I will go to a hospital and see a doctor if i am really sick, rather than some herbalist or worse, one of these healing crystals people, but big pharma is not the end all and be all, especially when big pharma invent diseases or conditions, so they can sell more pills
If you stand or walk around for hours at your job, your feet and legs are sore and tired because you have been on your feet all day.
You don't have RESTLESS LEG SYNDROME and you don't need a special pill designed for a made up condition
I genuinely can't tell if you're serious or memeing about the kind of stories grandma posts on Facebook. Lmao
@@ItsNumber84 It has to be parody. Weed oil?
Well, there you have it, folks. Once upon a time, there was this story.
No, it shouldn’t!
An anecdote about someone going into remission from their cancer, where they believe it to be due to some oil, or eating certain berries, or meditating, or making headstands 30 minutes daily or whatever, is without value.
If said weed were such an effective treatment to cancer, the industry would be busy finding out exactly how it works and replicate the process.
You’re a victim of the idea that just because the pharmaceutical industry is making a lot of money, that means all doctors are in their pockets, and no one in the industry is interested in making drugs that works!
Don’t forget, scientists and board members etc., get cancer too, has family and friends who get cancer!
Of course they’re interested in making effective treatment!
Also, Restless Legs Syndrome is real, and we know several causes!
@@fleabitz1474 _distilled, refined_ weed oil. Very serious stuff.
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Simple logical argument for God:
1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause
2) The universe began to exist
3) Thus, the universe has a cause
Even if I agreed with the premises (which I don't) that's not an argument for God. It's just an argument for the universe having a cause.
@@Roxor128 Well what is the cause? It must be immaterial, as it created all matter. It must be past-eternal, else would could apply this argument equally well to the cause, leading to infinite regress. As it's immaterial, it can only be an abstract concept like "the number 7", or a disembodied mind, but abstract concepts don't cause anything. Finally, as it created all matter it must be immensely powerful.
What we're left with is a timeless, immaterial, incredibly powerful, disembodied mind which created the universe.
I think it's fair to call that God.
@@RaRa-eu9mw Your arguments about the nature of the cause of the universe are separate from the arguments about whether it has one or not.
If you want to make an argument for God which depends on the universe having a cause, then you would start the argument with "The universe has a cause." as its first premise and add on subsequent ones about the properties you think are needed for a god to be the conclusion.
@@Roxor128 You said my argument doesn't constitute an argument for God. That's incorrect. God follows logically from the argument for the reasons I just gave.
This is 100% an argument for God. Even the most stubborn atheist who accepts the argument would be forced to conclude that God exists.
@@RaRa-eu9mw The reasons you gave constitute a separate argument from the initial one.
This:
1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause
2) The universe began to exist
3) Thus, the universe has a cause
Is an argument for the universe having a cause.
This (your earlier reasons rephrased):
1) The universe has a cause.
2) The cause created all matter.
3) The cause of all matter must be immaterial.
4) The cause cannot be part of an infinite regress.
5) The cause must therefore be past-eternal.
6) An immaterial thing can either be an abstract object or a disembodied mind.
7) Abstract objects cannot cause anything.
8) Therefore the cause must be a disembodied mind.
9) As the cause created all matter, it must be immensely powerful.
10) The only thing that is immaterial, past-eternal, a disembodied mind, and immensely powerful is a god.
11) Therefore the cause of the universe is a god.
Is an argument for the cause of the universe being a god.
You have made two arguments in this discussion. One for the universe having a cause, and one for that cause being a god.