5 Things Paul Saladino Changed His Mind on After Quitting Carnivore
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5 Things Paul Saladino Has Changed His Mind on in the Last 5 Years
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Timestamps ⏱
0:00 - Intro
1:40 - Carbohydrates
3:36 - Insulin
10:20 - Fasting
17:12 - Grounding
23:31 - Sunglasses
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Over the decades, I've listened to all these experts instruct us about the best diet using fancy words only to later do a total turnaround. Low carb, high carb, LDL cholesterol vs HDL cholesterol, fruit good, fruit bad, veggies yea, veggies nay, red meat no, red meat yes. This leads me to believe that when it comes to the body, there is no health expert out there that knows for certain what is best. So I'd say perform the most thorough due diligence you can, use your intuition, and let your own body be your guide. LOL!
If you read actual science and ignore UA-cam contrarians it's not as confusing
The longest living people are plant Based or mostly plant based. It's that simple.
@@mrmaxcarter2306 yup
There’s some things that every expert agreed on.
1.Processed sugar is bad
2. processed oils are bad 3.processed meats are bad. 4.Water is good.
5. Gluten won’t kill you but its best to not eat, or eat very little. 6.Dairy isn’t good if you’re watching your weight.
99% of all experts will agree on those basic principles.
In my opinion, if you eliminate the first 3 things from your body and drink at least 1 ounce of water per 2 pounds of body weight, you can eat just about whatever you want within those guidelines and be generally healthy. Prove me wrong
@@mrmaxcarter2306 How do you know that? Some of the oldest living people hated vegetables and some of them smoked.
Amazing how complicated food has become...the simplest formula seems to be no processed foods...no refined sugars..no seed oils...low carbs...exercise and drink water.
100%
And everyone is looking for the magic fix, one super special dietary regimen that will cure all ills.
Of course, no such thing exists.
Specific elimination diets like carnivore, or even raw vegan, can help people with serious auto immune problems, but fall short for most people after a couple of years, or less.
Active people in general good health should eat whole foods with some occasional intermittent fasting, as well as a few targeted supplements like vitamin D/K, and that will work extremely well for most people most of them time.
"low carbs" doesn't really fit with this video and his thinking though...
@@samherb1 if you exercise a ton, then you may be able to up your carbs, also depends on the person, but I'd argue most people should keep daily carbs under 100g
AND no dairy, no grains, 1 fruit/day.
Dogs teach us a lot.. living in the now not worrying about past or future, sleep well and nap regular, crave meat, don’t wear shoes outside, stretch out regularly, drink only water, enjoy exercise, show loyalty and don’t bite the hand that feeds you…
one of the oldest dogs, Bramble, was plant based, my friend has a dog that's 23 human years old and eats whole plant foods :)
and what is also interesting about dogs, you’ll catch them eating plants (grass and weeds)sometimes.
and eat your vomit, eat old smelly dead things laying around in the dirt and drink mud water.
That’s true. That’s why I’ve started scratching my @ss by scooting across the carpet. It does the trick every time.
I spent 3k to keep my dog alive because of a disease they get by eating eachothers poop.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🥑 Paul went from thinking carbohydrates were bad to realizing carbohydrates and insulin spikes are healthy and necessary.
06:16 💊 Protein spikes insulin, but not to the same degree as carbohydrates. Carbs provide stronger insulin signaling for mineral absorption.
11:49 🍵 Paul no longer believes fasting is as beneficial as once thought. Fasting may induce negative cardiac remodeling.
17:11 🌱 Paul now thinks grounding is important. There are physiological differences between grounded and ungrounded states.
23:31 😎 Paul has stopped wearing sunglasses. Natural light is important for circadian rhythms and ocular health.
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so basically he's eating a normal diet lol. What a dope.
Doesn't wear underwear anymore. The ladies might find this interesting. ;)
Masai and Inuit destroys everything this guy said....
Summary:
1] Paul sold a book and a bunch of other ideas but the income from this has been slowly sinking, but not so much that he's taken down his Carnivore website and still selling his Carnivore books [yes I checked and Thomas is promoting it in the video description as well. In fact, he's now playing both sides of the fence by being the only Carnivore MD who proclaims himself to be vegan or vegetarian [sorry, I don't remember because I was contemplating the open-faced hypocrisy and double dipping].
2] Completely ignoring the fact that he's ripped and gotten to where he's at with Carnivore and his biomechanics are probably the top of 1 in 10K. Yeah, he and Thomas can afford to change it up where most people, and those with carb addictions would self-sabotage following this new nonsense.
Thank you. A piece of advice to Paul: get a life.
“In a metabolically healthy person”.. there’s the key .. how many people are actually “metabolically healthy”
Basically, for someone who is starting out as "Not metabolically healthy" go on a healthy ketogenic diet for 6 months..then slowly start to incorporate fruits, honey, etc!
about 20% of the USA population. That's it!
Well, probably most of the people who follow this channel are or will be. At large, it's more dismal. But about 12% of the U.S. adult population.
@@johnkap5740 or be keto 6-9 months every year, just as you would in nature
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35798448/
Only about 6.8% of American adults have “optimal cardiometabolic health” as defined by the above study…!
My mum truly understood the importance of grounding. Must have been ancestral instincts. She grounded me all the time.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Well played, well played…..😅😅😅
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Wonder why :)
My great grandmother lived till 100. She was always lean, never heard of gym , but she used to walk a LOT.
She ate rice , a bit of fish and whatever else was available. She didn't have diabetes.
My grandmother lived into her 90s. No exercise, overweight, ate processed foods and real foods. It's a genetic lottery.
Genetics are great when they are in your favor. Most people won't live that long no matter what their lifestyle/diet is.
Let me guess she was also underweight? Eat less and live longer. Its proven with mice and dogs.
A lot of the old timers did a lot of what we would consider the wrong things and lived very long healthy lives. I'm guessing she walked a lot outdoors. I remember Dr. Berg talking about his neighbors who didn't live a healthy lifestyle but they were very active and outdoors a lot. That seemed to mitigate a lot of the negative things they were doing. There is quite an interesting correlation between sunlight and mitochondria health. The UV light is able to pennate to the organs and increases production of melatonin. Melatonin isn't just good for sleep, it's also a power antioxidant.
Incredible genetics 1 in 100
I also experienced low T on strict keto/carnivore. Once I increased carbs to about 160gish of clean, healthy carbs a day, I started to sleep better, my libido came back, and I started to see improvement in the gym while getting leaner.
I thought my problem was an isolated one because when I made the change a couple of years back, no one in this space was talking about it yet.
Thanks for this!
You’re probably not eating enough calories, fat, or electrolytes. That’s always the problem not the missing carbs. Plus if you’re on low carb/keto diet, your body is not going to be fully carnivore adapted and it’s always going to need carbs. Let your body adapt to meat and high fat only and you won’t have problems.
@@abishaicampbell2187 Once my fat content got to around 400-500g a day (a LOT of saturated fat), I started having even better energy than before. I maintained this diet for almost a year now. I was shocked when I counted my macros but I haven't changed. Lots of monterey jack, butter, pork rinds, and fatty meat. Also, salt. Low salt on carnivore may cause problems at first; there's some in meat but I think we need more.
Can you give us examples of good carbs? Is that like fruit?
@@CameronCanFLY Yes most probably. Definitely not from grains, treats, and some veggies (beans for instance).
@@abishaicampbell2187 when you are not physically active maybe you wont need a lot of carbs, but im guessing you do some pushups here and there some pulls ups nothing crazy and you are fine, most people their exercise is usually like a warm up for people for REALLY exercise
"We should not fear glucose spikes in a metabolically healthy individual..." That's the key point unfortunately very few on a standard American diet are metabolically healthy.
Glucose spikes are still damaging even in healthy people, some of the glucose often converting to fructose too and fructose basically acts like a hormone affecting your behavior. We have good evidence even transient glucose spikes cause beta-amyloid plaque to form, we know it damages cells, blood especially, and blood vessel linings (we can measure these, edit: and yeah, we also know that cancer cells feed primarily on glucose). Whether that damage matters if you are healthy enough otherwise, isn't clear.
True, except frequent glucose spikes will soon produce a metabolically unhealthy individual...
@@defeqel6537 0 carbs lowers free testosterone for most people.
@@luxeayt6694 and yet, it does not seem to negatively affect muscle growth
and just to hammer my point home: ua-cam.com/video/iCUx8KpWxW8/v-deo.html
I think the biggest problem that we have here in this country is that GMO food is not banned like it is in other countries. As well as so much of our food is sprayed with toxic chemicals.
Yeah the spraying is a huge problem bc we use industrial monocultures which aren’t in balance with the natural food chain and soilweb. That and our food has been bred and modified for yield only, not nutritional value. Then filled carcinogens to make it immortal and look certain colors.
There is almost no GMO food in EU and there is a lot of sick people too like in US... GMO or not is not the only problem...
GMO food isn’t even close to the biggest problem we have about our food system…
A lot of GMO foods were approved during Obama's presidency, especially the last two years. Everyone was so busy praising Mrs. Obama's healthy school lunches they didn't notice her husband approving legislation allowing unlabelled GMOs to flood the marketplace.
They cant' not use GMO, how are they going to keep up with all those millions of fat people?! I don't think there's a country in the entire world that consumes food as much as we do. Not even China or Russia or India...Period!
You guys are both in tremendous shape, low body fat, very fit, etc. I agree that in that condition, consuming appropriate amounts of carbohydrates as part of the diet is most natural and healthy. For someone overweight and insulin resistant, adding honey to their diet would not necessarily have the same effect. People need to take steps to get closer to the condition you both are in before taking some of these things to heart.
This is true! This was my deal before. I come from a line of diabetics and when I was overweight, any sweets, even just some honey in tea, did not give me a healthy spike that would aid workouts. It just made me tired.
After getting the insulin resting number down, then fruit or honey actually gave me a boost.
Adding honey is totally fine for a diabetic, so long as they’re not eating so much of it they’re becoming more fat.
Lose fat and you reverse type 2 diabetes-from any macro combination. Period.
Decades of research has shown that you just need to not eat so many calories. Nowhere does the literature show that you need to quit carbs, sugar, or honey to be healthy.
Totally agree with you man. If you have a normal metabolism, carbs are okay.
Yes , I agree with you. If you are your ideal weight and excercise regular. You need some healthy carbs. Veggies and fruits. I think for most Americans should be eating very low carb and fasting at least long term til you no longer obese.
Both of them are talking from the position of someone who is in the top 10th of 1% of humans. Their bodies have adjusted and most likely changed metabolism where they can add almost anything they want and not suffer the effects that hits the rest of us. They spend their days working off sugars so spiking likely isn't going to be an issue. Sorry but most of us couldn't raise our blood sugars to 150 and have it normalize in an hour or two.
Keto for 5 years, went Carnivore, changed my life. 57 years old, feel better than I did 10-15 years ago...Feel so good my 75 year old mom went Carnivore, she's also doing amazing.
We arent "seeking" carbs!!
It doesn't matter how you feel. You can still be unhealthy
@@Ian-io3yt Literally, you can feel great after eating fast food because of the satisfaction of the taste and carbs, but ultimately it doesn't matter how you "feel" it matters how healthy you ARE
People eating fast food have unhealthy blood metrics while people on carnivore generally have been getting much better than average blood metrics, moral of the story, diet is going to look a little different for everyone. There’s not one right path, experiment and see what works best for you.
@@mythbuster6126I think you're confusing "religion" with "life style". It is a lifestyle.
@@mythbuster6126 its a lifestyle for Inuit people.
I think it depends how much you work out. When I was a marine I ate whatever I wanted and still maintained weight and muscle and felt great, because of working out like an Olympian. Now that I don't work out much, keto and fasting make me feel way better.
There are so many factors, right? That's a big one right there. Someone who is very physically active can handle higher carbs, less fasting, etc.
Exactly…that’s why I think it comes down to age and metabolism , we all know the teenage boys who are athletic and can eat whatever they want, enter middle age, it changes if you let yourself go after 10~15 years
You were younger as well. Testosterone makes a ton of difference to what you can eat and get away with.
How old were you during your marine days? It was probably just because you were younger also.
paul is a charlatan. so many peopIe have made response videos to his fad diet. vegans, and those on paleo, keto and carnivore pretty much all disagree with paul saladino. he is a attention seeking con man with a sugar addiction who says you should eat lots of liver+fruit+honey. he thinks its our "ancestral" diet. ridiculous considering how our ancestors never actually had so much access to liver, fruit and honey on a daily basis.
so many peopIe claimed to have tried the paul saladino diet only to see their health go bad. the usual complaints are electrolyte issues and out of control blood sugar. saladino is destroying the health of hundreds of peopIe. peopIe should stop listening to this guy
I, for one, have great respect for people who show that they are learning as more information comes about. Who don’t just double down and reject any new information. So i have respect for this man.
A good way to be and sadly, you're probably finding few people to respect these days.
He's doubling down on saturated fats even though the evidence against to much of them is overwhelming.
Hence thomas changing his stance on them
Lol Saladino has done nothing but double down on his bullshit excuses for consuming shitloads of carbohydrates.
Saladino doesn’t know how to interpret scientific literature. Luckily most of us know this fact since we follow actually qualified scientific researchers and nutritional scientists who are, again qualified to speak on such subjects, and also has the tools to carry out such research.
Professor Bart Kay is one such individual that these two Dunning Kruger sufferers frequently get their asses torn out by due to their arrogance and stupidity when “iNtErPrEtInG” the literature.
@DempsterOut Exactly , " It's so intuitive , it's so simple" . Then why was Paul so wrong . We all make questionable decisions but you make the point when you mislead others . I take all these guys with a grain of salt now .
@@Mick-HHHIt’s certainly much higher they Drs currently recommend. A meat based is much closer to where people should be in my opinion. The keto recommended macros are insane.
I’m morbid obese, 700 pounds, and have been on 100% carnivore for just over 30 days with really incredible results
700 🤨?!
Hey Bill! Rooting for ya!
Best thing is, you'd be eliminating stacks of refined carbs and bad fats. Keep going strong fella. Good luck.
Bill, keep on truckin’. You’re an inspiration!
Amazing Bill.
This has been a FABulously informative discussion; much of what you are covering and the solutions are finds that I have made that worked for me over my life. GREAT to have affirmation of the conclusions that I had drawn for myself. THANK YOU! I hope to hear more from you both!
7:43 the way he explained the Hadza tribe finding the honey - they were overjoyed, as if it wasn’t something that happened often for them. As opposed to Paul drinking honey daily with like pounds of fruit to go with it
“Drinking honey”?? That’s a ridiculous mischaracterization. A few tablespoons in day is a long way from “drinking”.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 apologies, but I do believe he literally drinks honey, in that he puts it in his milk. This plus the immense amount of fruit - it’s a lot of sugar for an “animal based diet”
@NotFlexing, OMg! 😱 He’s a lunatic! The man “drinks” two or three tablespoons of honey! Insanity!
“Pounds of fruit” 😱 (the majority of that weight is water….which is probably why food should be measured in energy not by weight). 200 grams of carbohydrates is a number he has frequently mentioned. 100-150g of that is used by his brain each day. This leaves a whopping 50-100g (or 200-400 calories) to be burned through activity. Anyone that isn’t moving enough to burn 200-400 calories through voluntary movement is ridiculously sedentary and not keeping movement habits that are appropriate for human health.
Never mind the specifics or the reality, because “ZOMG! He drinks honey and eats pounds of fruit!😱”
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 Few tablespoons? Nice gaslighting attempt, narc. Paul has stated he often eats 100 grams of honey a day!!! Imagine the glycation and DNA damage as honey (bee vomit) contains a lot of fructose which can only be detoxified by the liver.
Honey also contains levels of monocrotaline, the worst poison known to the Animalia kingdom, which exceed the maximum intake several times.
I guess Paul just got lucky that the few days he spent with the natives they found and ate a large quanity of honey.
He used to be full vegan, then went carnivore and now is animal based. He’s learning, growing, open minded and ok with saying he was wrong. I’d much rather learn from him then someone who’s rigidly preaching the exact same thing for 20 years.
Or maybe he's moving from one new diet to another to generate clicks.
If that rigid person for 20 years is in perfect health then I would say they are very worthwhile paying attention to.
Diet is a very individual thing, just following someone blindly and copy him wont very probably not work.
Maybe he should test these things out for himself *before* preaching it to other people as the best/right way to live.
Open minded and ok with being wrong! That's fine but he has an MD after his name and if you watch one of his advice videos and it's one of those OPPS!! My BAD!! What does that say about the value of listening to him? That Rigid guy sounds to me more likely to have done his research and that's why he's NOT WISHY WASHY!!
Respect to both Paul & Thomas, both have greatly contributed to my fitness journey. The consensus is changing, however, I listen to my body, & at the end of the line, my brain feels the best doing IF / keto... Positive moods, endless energy, mental clarity, impeccable focus vs eating carbs which give me the complete opposite effect. I've found ways to keep my minerals & electrolytes balanced, it's not a big issue. It's very likely I never go back to the carb roller coaster of horrible mood swings & shoddy motivation.
How do you keep your minerals and electrolytes balanced?
Consensus is the Mediterranean or DASH diet not this shit
I would have as well. Hopefully your LDL-C will stay normal unlike mine. I had great LDL levels my whole life but 18 months of keto pushed it from 90 to 175. Sure it would have continue to rise.
I had to trust the mainstream science that high LDL and APO-B have at least a direct relationship to plaque buildup and heart disease. Tried to handwave with all these influencers saying otherwise. The cardiologist I visited was aware and kindly told me that LDL of 175 is bad, no matter what my good HDL, low triglycerides or particle counts say.
Just keep track of your LDL. I reversed mine from 175 to 60 in 2 months. If you cannot eat anything else you may just have to take the risk. One thing I don't miss is the cramping control.
@@curcio63 By eating enough minerals and electrolytes, Look up how much of the minerals and electrolytes are in what you eat, look up daily minimum that you need, and eat.
I felt the same when I started keto/carnivore. After two years I started having sleep disruptions, brain fog, and some lethargy albeit I work out A LOT. I added honey and carbs back in and it feels like the first time I started keto. Fantastic energy. Better sleep. I just feel better. I’ll likely continue to do both.
I have always been a healthy eater. no processed foods, no junk. Am a 51 year old bodybuilder. After my last show I dedicated to eating carnivore. Eating fatty meats, bacon, eggs. and lots of it. At first I felt great but then after about 5 weeks I began waking with muscle jerks throughout my whole body and almost like im losing breath for a minute which jolts me awake. Like a fight or flight sensation and during the day feeling slight heart palpitations. I started taking LMNT and extra salt. but with mild improvement. As resistant as I was to eating carbs, I did introduce some berries and honey in the morning. What a difference. I am not someone who needs to lose weight and my metabolism runs hot as it is. So I do believe it is individual as to who needs a bit of carbs and who does not. I am ok with being less dogmatic about being a strict "carnivore" just to say I am. Like why in the world would i continue to suffer these feelings in my body so i can "tough it out" to say im pure carnivore? I am listening to my body and what it needs.
Your n of 1 is not healthy or logical or consistent with the totality of evidence. This is why there are plenty of vegan bodybuilders that would run circles around you your age and older. If you would have been eating a well planned whole food plant based this whole time you would have done even better and for the long haul. It's best to look at the totality of evidence not follow UA-camrs and your own feelings when you don't have a clone of yourself doing the opposite to test your theories. Furthermore, don't be so naïve to think you can't feel chronic diseases associated with premature death, these are too insidious.
@@VeganLinked troll
@@jennysiepka9900 going to a video and leaving a comment doesn't just make someone a troll, tard
@@VeganLinked definitely a troll
@@VeganLinkedVeganism is satanic.
A New View on Carbs and Insulin
As Dr. Saladino learned more about human physiology, he realized that is view of carbohydrates and insulin had been misguided. Rather than something to be feared, the insulin spikes that happen after eating carbs are actually a normal and healthy response in the body.
Here were some of the key insights that changed his perspective:
-Insulin spikes signal your kidneys to hold onto important minerals like sodium, potassium, and magnesium. This prevents the electrolyte depletion I was experiencing. -Insulin sensitizes your cells to these minerals for proper uptake. My muscles were cramping partly due to inability to take in electrolytes. -Insulin enhances the production of glutathione, a crucial antioxidant. Low glutathione levels are linked to oxidative stress. -Insulin helps regulate sex hormones, preserving testosterone and reducing binding globulins. My declining testosterone signaled dysfunctional insulin dynamics. -Insulin promotes glycogen synthesis and muscle growth when combined with exercise. My performance and strength suffered without this signal.
Dr. Saladino realized that, for metabolically healthy people,Temporary increases in insulin after eating carbs are not inherently harmful. Our bodies are designed to handle glucose spikes, which enable vital processes.
The key is that insulin returns to baseline within a normal timeframe. Constant, chronically elevated insulin is problematic, not brief post-meal spikes. Demonizing all insulin led me to avoid something humans likely evolved to regularly consume.
This more nuanced understanding completely shifted his attitude around carbohydrates. Dr. Saladino no longer feared insulin release or spikes. In fact, he now see them as beneficial signals his body needed.
I think one of the things that's been confusing a lot of people the last decade or so is that a healing diet and a healthy longterm diet are going to be different. For a LOT of people, going full carnivore for 3-18 months to heal makes a lot of sense, assuming they know enough to do it correctly. And many people simply will not heal fast enough if they don't go that far with their healing diet. But then after the major healing is done, it's time to switch to a long-term sustainable healthy diet, which is when debates like this become extremely valuable.
Never look at it like that but what you just said makes a lot of sense. 👍
SO well said.
I don't think so, majority of people has no medical/nutritional education, and learning or listening these guys putting their ideas at their convenience...is crazy.. no respect.
I think the exact same thing as you do, it's like cutting out vegetables fibres for short time might give your gut the time to heal. But on the long term it is probably very beneficial to eat vegetables every day.
I think we should be eating like hunters and gatherers. Meats and fat in the winter and more plants and lean meats in the sunmer
I love how these two touched on botox and the way it has changed how we communicate❤❤ I am 31 years old and have noticed a huge change in the way we communicate vs when I was a kid. I've never gotten any botox and can truly say I never will for this same reason❤❤ Thx for this video❤
Great conversation and it felt like we were all around that campfire together and had hiked there from wherever! Thanks, Paul for pointing out the psychological damage that can result covering parts of one's face, especially for children! It is something that needs to be said out in the open, and often, and at every opportunity, for many reasons.
Clear as mud. Every day, a new spin on what works or doesn't. Hard to keep up with and set a plan.
No need to keep up with their personal journeys. If you are an active person in good health, eat a whole food diet rich in protein and quality fats, with some intermittent fasting thrown in when needed.
That works well for most people most of the time.
If you are ill or obese, use an elimination diet like carnivore for 12 weeks and see if it helps, and it probably will.
Details always get refined. And different things work for different people. But the staples always remain the same. Non-processed or as minimally processed food as possible, movement, resistance training, good sleep, and hydration.
I got into carnivore diet right around the time Dr.Saladino peaked with his Carnivorish period, so he was one of the people I looked up to for health advice. I still remember the drama among the staunch supporters of carnivore when he began advocating for fruits and honey. I only started carnivore because I had early signs of insulin resistance, so when I felt that I saw some great benefits from that and would like my health to be even more optimal, I started re-incorporating some fruits and honey as well as some veggies. Combine them with mindful eating, proper sleep and exercise, I now feel I'm at my best and don't beat myself up too much on any day that I go a bit heavier on carb since I know my health is a journey and I can always improve it the next day.
Quit eating poison 1 month, ate only meat and black beans, in 2 weeks pain free in 4 weeks, had no energy and felt horrible, ate a banana and felt fine ?, now eat fruit and a few veggies, I lost 30 pounds and keep it off. No more poison is the key for me, aka processed foods
What is your exercise level, age, and weight (or fat %)?
Whatever works for you is what works. Most important thing is eating real foods for your body. You can never go wrong with real food.
Totally agree! I feel so much better after adding in fruit and honey.
but how long until you go blind from insulin sickness?
I got so sick from carnivore, I blew up swelling, arthritis, plaque in arteries, chronic fatigue, kidney stones, fatty liver plus my A1c was 5.7 my chlesterol was off the chart and cramps were unbelievable and a lot more. Since, I stopped carnivore I'm slowly reversing all this now my A1c is 5.3. I had severely malnourished show up on a blood test. Even Frank Tufano got sick on carnivore and is doing great now!
Thanks for sharing. It seems as if Carnivore is the new ´God´, when it comes to diet. There is only one God
I think low-carb or no carb can be a useful tool to correct imbalances but may not be optimal for everyone. I'm leaning toward the theory of eating according to your ancestry. This would explain why some people can thrive on higher carbohydrate diets with lower meat and fat consumption. Others are somewhere in between. Others can eat mostly meat and fats and be very healthy.
You don’t get kidney stones from a Carnivore Diet. What do you call carnivore? Were you eating Hot Dogs and Salami? Or just Pasture Raised Red Meat only?
I like how Paul has come away from the extreme. And I totally agree with Thomas that the body needs to be adaptable/flexible. Fasting is not the be all and end all but it is a therapeutic intervention. Interventions are not designed to be forever. The same with carnivore or keto - interventions which are great for certain things like eradicating/suppressing autoimmune/allergic conditions etc. but not necessarily something you should stay on forever.
And they will change their minds again. Nothing wrong with that. We're probably overthinking the simplicity of eating naturally and when we're truly hungry. Vegan, carivore, keto, paleo....whatever. Keep moving, avoid processed junk food, and get outside.
Have been a Carnivore for the past 6 years now. Nothing from what he is saying applies on me. Never had any issue working out and never had any side effects. When i accidentally ingested sugar and carbs though thats a whole different story. I almost ended up in a hospital. So thank you but no thank you. I have never felt healthier, stronger and more energetic in my whole life than i have in these 6 years. Nothing will change that
Everyone has to listen to there own body
The point that Dr. Saladin and Thomas are making is that there are several tools on the table that can work for everyone's body. It is Selection Effect to think what works for you or I must work for everyone, everywhere, at all ages.
You are fortunate enough to have found yours. I didn't thrive on Keto, Carnovore, or Paleo, my body really liked plant based but didn't like the high carbs as a 50 year old man and my body started to not thrive after 2 years and wanted meats back in, but not in high amounts.
For me my body likes low carb plant based during the week, and meats on the weekend. For whatever reason that's what it likes so I go with what makes it thrive.
It is that just Mr. Saladino have to sell his next book.
you almost ending up in hospital for eating carbs means you have some kind of disease, this is not normal for a healthy human being.
Totally agree
So often such one on one discussions are dull and lack meat, this was just the right length and delivered great content, Well done Paul/Thomas. Thank you.
The part about sunglasses was particularly illuminating and brilliant. 😎
The problem I have with carbs and sugar is that it sets up a "want for more".
For anyone with an eating disorder, or low self discipline.
It can throw you off a healthy path.
You’d be surprised with how satiated you’d feel if you ate real fruit/honey/maple syrup instead of processed sugar.
yes indeed!
@@AIDS_survivor Everybody is different. There's a substantial difference in the metabolic capacity and hormonal production of people who are insulin-resistant and those who are not, and these aren't the only areas of differentiation. Most North Americans and Europeans over the age of 30 lean more toward the former than the latter. And nobody suggests that the very high levels of fructose in most modern fruits satiate anything. It may be beneficial for people who are highly active because it's a fast carb load, but then it is burned off. But for most people, it just spikes the blood sugar which then crashes without triggering any hormones that tell your brain that you don't need to quickly find something else
I've been 2 years keto and for an experiment I switched over to carnivore several months ago just to see if there was any difference. The main difference is where I plateaued on weight loss with keto when I finally got down to my target weight, I started losing weight again on carnivore which surprised me so I had to increase my calories because I didn't want to lose anymore weight, I was trying to pack on muscle which is a challenge on my 52 year old body. On carnivore I was able to achieve that. Over time I noticed some advantages on both diets so what I decided to do was do ketovore so basically I'm 80% carnivore and 20% keto incorporating what I think are the best of the best plant based products which are avocados, blueberries and sauerkraut along with my one smoothie drink a day which is a mixture of moringa, chlorella, spirulina, beet, cinnamon, ginger, green tea matcha, creatine, collagen, carnitine, iodine, apple cider vinegar, fresh lemon juice and a scoop of electrolytes, incorporating these plant based "tools" I believe gives me perfect balance with my mostly carnivore diet. I do believe one can achieve optimal health on carnivore, plant based products when applied properly can enhance what the carnivore diet does for the body.....that's MY experience so far.
I'm doing the same thing eating ketovore
I won't do either diet 100%. I believe God put both here for all purposes in people who's DNA will react differently and I refuse to force that many animals to be kilt for my diet. I think both give us all we need, now I'm glad I didn't go 100% either way a few yrs ago
@@avarysse5782 Regardless I can guarantee you that based on my experience and MANY vegans is not ONE person will EVER obtain and STAY in optimal health on a vegan diet but one can NEARLY achieve optimal health on carnivore diet or at least VERY close to it. The ONLY reason I believe plant based products were placed for us to consume were for hard times and occasional medicinal doses which is why I only consume 20% or less in plant products. I felt great on keto but I felt even better on carnivore telling me our bodies were created for animal meat and fat in our MAIN diet. I believe small doses of plant product in coordination with animal product helps with the absorption of plant based products so without animal product....plant product means nothing and starves your body of the nutrients it needs. THIS is why animals were put on Earth for us to consume, if we didn't, they would overpopulate and become disease ridden to only end up dying anyway. It's the circle of life!
Carnivorous diet is also very boring after a while. I'm basically a vegetarian. Drink raw milk mostly buffalo milk. Egg yolks. And usually a salad and fruit. I crave cooked food once a month and eat it.
@@avarysse5782 If you're plant based, then you also force many animals be killed by mono cropping millions of acres to grow crops. Sorry, either way, animals die.
If one is physically healthy (not overweight or obese), physically active, then a balanced diet with protein, carbs and fats is terrific. But when one is suffering from obesity or is overweight and needs to lose weight, then any sustainable diet could help be it keto, carnivore, paleo, low carb and of course, some form of exercise like strength training or walking etc. Once one reaches his/her goals in losing weight or fitness, then one can go back to a balanced diet, having veggies and fruits with protein and fats and maintaining that form of exercise.
This is where most westerners need to start and where I'm at. Still this is good info for those who have come to this location in the journey
Something interesting for me is if I've been strict carnivore for a month or so and have a cheat meal like eat at a Mexican Restaurant I find that I'm leaner after that Carby cheat meal in the following days. I'm not sure what to make of this but if it's an insulin thing maybe the insulin spike burns some fat or gets rid of some water weight.
@@GoneCarnivore There's a bodybuilder called trystin lee who came off of carnivore after like 3+ years. He lost water weight really quickly even though mechanistically, you would gain water weight from the glycogen stores in the muscle and from the salt being uptaken due to the insuline spikes. The opposite happened though. His and his coach's thoughts are that the carnivore diet along with his low body fat percentage caused him to have elevated stress levels and cortisol levels in his body, which is known to cause water retention in the body. This water weight left after he introduced carbs back in and upped his calories.
As a T2D in remission as well as several other ailments which are now all gone, I will never be able to injest 200g of sugars/carbs without destroying my health and return to an awful state. Glad he can do what he does and he's one of the reasons I went from keto to more keto-vore and will remain so as my health and well-being are such much better on this way of living.
hes a charlatan. so many peopIe have made response videos to his fad diet. vegans, and those on paleo, keto and carnivore pretty much all disagree with paul saladino. he is a attention seeking con man with a sugar addiction who says you should eat lots of liver+fruit+honey. he thinks its our "ancestral" diet. ridiculous considering how our ancestors never actually had so much access to liver, fruit and honey on a daily basis.
so many peopIe claimed to have tried the paul saladino diet only to see their health go bad. the usual complaints are electrolyte issues and out of control blood sugar. saladino is destroying the health of hundreds of peopIe. peopIe should stop listening to this guy
You'd be surprised what you could do without "destroying your health" lol. Speculation doesn't help us and our health.
Except that’s where you’d be wrong. See, mountains of research has shown that you can reverse type 2 diabetes on a high carb, high sugar diet.
Trust me, friend: you are no exception. You absolutely can consume carbohydrates while remaining metabolically healthy.
Now, a high-carbohydrate diet may not make you as full as something like the keto diet, but that’s a separate matter.
Don’t demonize carbohydrates like they are off limits. They’re not.
Watch your calories, not your carbs.
If keto makes it easier for you to watch your calories, then by all means.
why do u want to change a winning team @@LelandYarnell
Great conversation! Really enjoy listening to these guys.
From a massive subscriber to ALL of these guru's .... Over the last 5 years, here's the evolution of their thoughts.
If you are unhealthy, overweight, and out of shape. KETO & IF ... are TERIFFIC tools, if not THE TOOLS, to initiate health and longevity. However, the closer you get to a healthy body, the more likely you'll find yourself needing to move towards a more diverse diet and fitness routine. Attia, Thomas, Lane, Saladino, Berg, and many many more, have evolved to this thought process. They are not collaborating, they are just moving with the science and results almost simultaneously.
Overweight? Blood Sigar a mess? Chronic Inflammation in your joints? Tired all the time? Depressed? ... Go KETO/IF for 12 weeks. Be astonished at the results. Just have a plan to regulate for the long-term ... as in THE REST OF YOUR LIFE! Think about HEALTH-SPAN ... not just losing weight. How can you live longer? The body wants to live longer, just get better at removing the obstacles from it's ability to do so.
This is exactly what many of us have experienced. However, for some people it becomes either a "nutrition religion" or profitable business and both a hard to shake off. It is much easier for us, everyday anonymous people on the internet, which have no stake in it other than search for health.
Agreed.
I agree with everyone but layne he's a wilful fool
It's funny I have noticed this exact same phenomenon myself, going through old videos up to today. And basically all of them have come away from keto carnivore excetera and more towards just eating clean whole foods, including carbs and fruits. So that should tell you something
@@onepunchflan3071 I had to unsubscribe from Lane. His hostility and childish attitude, a complete turn off. Hell even Dr. Attia has contradicted himself within 6 months. But he’s still light years ahead of Lane, and way more professional.
Love this! Started Keto 5 years ago, tried carnivore. Everything he's saying matches my experience. Meat and protein is the bedrock of my diet, but incorporating the right carbs as really helped me improve my health and enjoy life.
Exactly!
Hi, would you mind sharing the carb that you did include in your diet, thanks 🙏
@@Salsabilanow1111 Potatoes and yams do very well for me.
we could have other health issues and not know, I had a similar experience but git really sick after keto and i.f, I developed severe restless legs & something that resembles dumping syndrome, every time I eat a big meal I get completely knocked out, can't keep my eyes open, all tests have come back mostly fine, drs keep telling me I'm fine, but I have a massive list of health issues that plague me consistently, I go to the gym and eat a whole food low carb, high protein diet.
@@Vgallo Have you tried Traditional Chinese Medicine? A formula like Bu Zhong Yi Qi might be very helpful.
Everything depends on what age you are , how much you work out . I'm over 60 y old healed my diabetes with carnivore diet and trying eating fruit again such as berries or lemon gives me back this brain fog and other problems . Also not everyone has the time and energy doing all that exercise. Tried also eating honey some months ago which gave me a gout attack. Long time since I had this!
Gout attack?
How much honey did you have if you don't mind me asking? Also time on carnivore and weight.
Trying to figure out why people's sugar sensitivity is all over the place
Your body must be institutionalised into the carnivore diet!
@@Mallchad it's genetics. Or the sugar changing our genetics after years of abuse. We destroyed our guts and bodies so nothing will function like it use to. So now we have to avoid the things our body now sees as an enemy.
@@Mallchad Not much actually . Just a couple of small spoons. It took as I remember a couple of days to get there. Some years ago I got rid of gout by carnifore diet but also fasting.
@@musicfunlax1224 I had no idea it could come back that fast, it's nice at least it's not after 1 day
I wonder if that will improve with time
this is a wonderfully useful video. Big fan of you both for well over 5 years. Thanks as always.
For all of you freaking out about Paul saying he's vegan now - - - - watch the intro, it was a joke!
Absolutely. He said he eats honey a lot. 😂
Yes, the man himself is a joke. A bad joke.
Idiot just needs to pretend to be an authority on anything. Changes opinions more often than the wind changes.
@@aurapopescu1875the man has a different opinion on health.
And although, I don't agree with him, he does have good arguments for his view.
That doesn't make him an idiot.
@@aurapopescu1875 So true! 🙉
High fat, moderate protein keto diet is saving me right now. No veggies for now, no fasting. I get advice from Steph keto person. Finally sleeping and losing weight. Depression and anxiety are subsiding.
I am mostly vegetarian and I do understand that some people feel better on a different diet and that is perfectly fine because one diet does not fit all. Regarding to a good sleep I need to have my last meal 4 hours before and Magnesium Bisglycinate 2 hours before going to bed and that helps me to sleep very well. I wonder if magnesium bisglycinate might be useful to you.
@@teresamexico309just eat animal protein twice per day. Just around 50 gramms and I'm sure you will sleep like a baby whitout magnesium supplement 👍
@southern842 So do you suggest they eat carbs and be depressed? Interesting. Not everyone has issues low carb, some really do well on it!
@@Shayne_T Then eat only healthy carbs. People who vaguely demonize all carbs don't understand food.
Loved this conversation!! Got a lot out of it too, thanks guys!
Great video. Thank you!
Thank you that was a very interesting conversation. Both of you are young fit and ripped. Loosing weight is no longer an issue for you both. You need to basically maintain your healthy state. However I feel you are comparing apples with pears. If you are obese, old and unfit it is a totally different challenge. I am 2 years into a 3 year path to loose 5 stones in weight. I am over 70 years in age and my vision is to walk over mountains in my 90s. So longevity and vitality are important for me. I fast and I eat clean food, this includes carbs and meat. My grounding comes from Buddhism and I meditate and journal every day. This helps me to undertake my love which is through hiking which I see as more of a mental challenge than a physical one. This is where Buddhist based grounding is vital for me. I feel fitter and more aware than I have been for years. For my 70th birthday I walked 1200 miles up the U.K. and I could have turned round and walked it back again. I will adapt my diet when I reach my goal weight in another year. But clean eating and variable fasting regimes will stay as another one of my life goals is to reach 100 years with no decease or pills. So in summary what works for you 2 fit guys may not be the same as us old guys who need to loose weight and are using variable fasting regimes, clean eating and low-ish carbs to get there. Thank again and lots to think about
^ you should be reported
@@Thomasdelauer2 Thomas I do not understand your reply to my comment. Could you explain?
@@johnhutchison2268 He's called spam, pay no attention to it.
I agree comparing apples and pears!
@@PardieDiem Ya the spam is gone now thankfully
It has always been about balanced nutrition. Yes, certain restrictive diets (carnivore, keto etc.) are elimination diets and help restore metabolic function. However, they are not sustainable as a long term lifestyle. I used ketogenic diet and OMAD intermittent fasting strategically to lose 35 lb. Then, I started increasing protein from meats and cut down on saturated fat to increase my muscle mass with weightlifting workouts while decreasing fat (body recomposition). Now, I am eating a balanced diet (seeds, nuts, cruciferous veggies included), growing muscle, while maintaining my weight. We should not be dogmatic about nutrition and use it as a tool to our long term goals. Vegan is fine, carnivore is fine, anything is fine as long as you are aware of advantages and shortcomings of each diet and use it as a tool for your health and not as a dogma or religion. Stay healthy everyone!
@@Thomasdelauer2 are you a scam?
Vegan is a nutrition deficiency diet
Agree 💯!
I couldn’t agree more with your comment, Edin!!🙌🏻
More like they help impair metabolic function lol
Brilliant video. TY sir.
truly fascinating interview, particularily ive been out in the sun more, although not shirtless yet but peak sun hours and at first I was sunburning red but then I started tanning, my sleep improved, I felt happier and overall my skin looked and looks amazing, caffeine intake was almost zero as opposed to 20g of coffee for breakfast and a celsius daily beforehand. My confidence stayed super consistent and high as opposed to fluctuating levels. I do have to say I alternated my sunglasses days while running cross country due to my eyes getting sunburned in prolonged sun exposure. also fat loss has increased while maintaining everything else about the same but this is all anecdotal. I would like to add that I had a great mentor and professor who went through chemo for cancer and her story always stayed with me about how getting sunlight exposure was the one thing that helped her feel better through her treatment and this interview really allowed me to better understand her experience
Interesting conversation! Was able to relate on many aspects, as someone who did keto, but listening to my body, came to cycling carbs. I do believe that carbohydrate intake does relate to time of the year (summer Vs winter) and which carbs/fruits are available at the place of residence. I live in North Europe, and now we have plenty of different berries, which we enjoy , but in winter I have to be very careful which carbs and how much, so I'll stick to fermented vegetables. Interesting about light and grounding, I've followed the advice of doc Jack Kruse for years now, and he is actually able to explain the physics behind many of these "phenomena". After all, we are electromagnetic beings and should never forget that fact.
@@salut9658 As a woman, I've learned that fluctuating hormones require different approach and careful choice of certain foods at certain time. One of the problems for most people is that they are not understanding their cravings - messages their body is constantly sending or misinterpreting them
Great video! Thank you!!
Excellent content gents, thank you!
I agree with Dr Saladino.. when I was younger I LOVED and THRIVED on keto.. i would have challenged anyone who went against it lol 😂I still believe in it… but as I got older, it wasn’t good for me anymore. My thyroid took a dump, my hormones got messed up, somehow I wound up with insulin resistance, a fatty liver, all my weight went to my stomach like a had sub clinical Cushings .. As soon as I put clean carbs back in diet( potatoes, fruits, carrots, honey, etc) all of my issues reversed! I think we are all physiologically different, especially at different times in our lives. If we want science to benefit us, we need to be open to experimentation and change in my opinion 😊
ABSOLUTELY!! We are all different and also different at different stages of life. There is no one size fits all even individually as we age. Well put.
I have gone from Keto to low carb myself as I got older and I do feel so much better now
I did keto/ fasting in 2020/21 lost 86lbs. Now low carb if leafy greens/fruit & vegetables & higher protein as I do resistance training. Feel better & have more energy. Have still maintained my wgt adding more carbs...not junk carbs.
Thanks, I agree, I feel better since I have added back some carbs like potatoes and fruit too.
Was it just your age that was the difference or was it being less physically active?
Great discussion. So many good points, but overall, just thinking about how we as people used to eat, work, move and be exposed to the outdoors on a daily basis. I think advancements are awesome and wouldn’t give up most of them but have to realize what we are giving up by completely changing what and how our bodies were created to perform. I think we’re all seeing it’s catching up with us. Thanks for these videos, it’s encouraging to see and hear how changes can make a huge impact.
Bedankt ! Information is the key !
As a T2 diabetic on keto; I tried to incorporate fruit (60grams/ daily), not nearly much as Paul and got absolutely rekted. Couldn’t walk a mile without my sugars plummeting from the reactive hypoglycemi bc im a T2 with really poor insulin sensitivity. I went back to strict keto (20grams or less of carbs per day which come from veggies and maybe a couple berries or some sugars from kefir) and I feel so much better. My glucose leveled out again. So take everything with a grain of salt and do what makes YOU feel best, no one else knows what makes you feel great. Animal based with lots of fruit sounds delicious but doesn’t suit my lifestyle or my health conditions.
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Exactly! Following the personal journey of a couple of ripped athletes who spend half their day working out and who have achieved maximum performance is not a plan that most of us should follow.
Because the carnivore diet makes your cells insulin resistant! It's the worst you can do being a diabetic. Cut the saturated fat completely and introduce fruit slowly. Your body needs to adjust!
Do you take any diabetic drugs?
I’m doing ketogenic and I am settled with it, I do eat carbs from broccoli 🥦, cabbage, zucchini, and Brussels sprouts 🌱. I increase carbs sometimes up to 100g. Occasionally I’d have a small amount of sourdough bread 🥖 and pasta. But I’m careful not to overeat refined carbs as I gain weight easily. I do intermittent fasting I restrict eating to certain times 2 or 3 days a week. It works well for me
Good for you bro. Keep at it.
So interesting. Thank you
I ate keto then low carb from 28 weeks pregnant with my 3rd child when I had gestational diabetes. Keto probably made me even more insulin resistant and pushed my fasting blood sugar up enough that I had to inject insulin towards the end of that pregnancy, and rather than my baby being big, he came out a bit early at 37 weeks because I was still having blood pressure issues. And he's the runt of our litter so to speak. But keto helped me lose the baby weight fast!
Four years on mostly lower carb and I've had similar issues with sleep disturbances, hair loss, dizziness (probably from low blood pressure) squatting to standing but also my menstrual cycles started shortening to around 21 days sometimes. I was convinced I was in perimenopause (now 48 years old).
So at the start of this year I tried reintroducing steel cut oats and more fruit and higher carb veggies. I notice that sometimes I feel better, other times I don't - I get bloated or anxious. My cycles have gone back to almost 28 days more often BUT most recently I have started getting terrible hip pain and lower back pain leading up to my period, which I didn't have before.
Keto tends to relieve menstrual cramps and bleeding tends to be much lighter when I eat low carb. I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place trying to be either very low carb or higher carb - so the answer must be somewhere in the middle.
Again, probably common sense - not eating unnecessarily (late at night for example), small servings of grain carbs which have been fermented in some way if you want to have them at all. Pick your dairy for the probiotics and Vit K2 but avoid those "plastic-like" cheeses maybe. Eat meat and fat, but not 3 times a day or not even 7 days a week. Eat some vegetables but don't overdo it on those either.
I dunno, we all have our sensitivities and if you are trying to reverse diabetes, Keto, Carnivore and even Vegan for short stints will all help with weightloss. I actually think a combination of those is possibly a better idea than one extreme or the other for too long. Reduce your carbs (or your fats) for long enough to lose the weight you need to lose and then eat as sensibly as you can while moving your body as often as you can. Sleep earlier, be kind to others, love openly, laugh a lot and don't take things so seriously.
And join a religion if you want to do something religiously - it might be a better way to use your time and you might find some community there too. The fasting involved in Orthodox Christianity, for example, says to avoid olive oil, meat, fish, milk and dairy products every Wednesday and Friday throughout the year. So you eat in cycles. Those who still want to eat a lot on the fasts end up overeating on grain carbs (and sugar) on those days, which doesn't lead to good health. But I imagine if you ate low fat vegan for 2 days a week, and then lower carb meals that included meat for the rest of the week, you might have a good balance there. Meanwhile, I've never managed an entire day of low fat vegan... The thought terrifies me. Equally though, I've only managed carnivore, meat only, for a day or so and then I crack and have to eat something else with it. I become too acidic and my urine starts to burn. I think we are meant to be able to eat both and alternate...
Some of us only do well with meat. I could never eat oats, scary bloating and body aches. Hair loss could also be that you were too low in protein… you also have to eat enough.
I recommend book called "Fast like a girl" by Mindy Peltz, she explainss how to eat and change your diet depending on your menstrual phase and hormonal needs. Eating the same diet all the time is better suited for men that have a 24 hour hormonal cycle.
Great interview. Please make more videos together! I wanted this to be longer.
The sunglasses thing reminds me of my boyfriend. It's something he told me once and he honestly isn't even into this stuff as much as I am, he isn't constantly watching these vids and reading up on health and nutrition. He realized this pretty much on his own, through his own observations and logic. He never wears sunglasses.
Great conversation. Very much needed. Thank you!!!!!
We are always learning and I respect these guys in bringing us their findings and learned changes. They both do what is best for them individually and bring us information for us to experiment with and do the same. I think we need to take all the fasting & real food information, learn a little about anatomy/physiology function and do what is best for you. Taking time to source well grown chemical free produce/meat (as best we can) and tweak what we need for our body. Adopt the basics of clean whole food, move your body, healthy community connections, good sleep, laugh, breathe and get out into nature. Avoid processed foods & anything in packaging and ingredients that are numbers, bad fats/oils and refined sugars/flours, and reduce exposure to screens/social media. It makes such a difference to your mindfulness, health, longevity and how you feel better about yourself and others. Great chat guys, watching from Australia.✌🙏
You know it's possible to be correct, change your mind and be wrong...
Here's my issue. Both of these men got healthy through fasting. Their experiential knowledge includes years of fasting and low carbs which led to their current bodies.
So here we are years later and they are telling people that fasting isn't as effective as they felt it used to be. This is probably true ... FOR THEM.
If you are obese with extreme insulin resistance eating 6 meals per day is snacks and is exhausted by simply mowing the front yard, then yes, fast. Go low carb, heal your body while completely changing your habits around feeding and food.
If the above relates to you, then you are not in the same position, mind or body, as these two men and what they are talking about may not be applicable to you.
Edit: i am at a mid yellow bmi range (yes, i agree with the issues with BMI ratings but this is simply to demonstrate a point). I have come to this by fasting and low carb. I have always inclided vegetables, fruits (dates rule) and even some bread items, though rarely.
Before fastong i tried everything to he healthy amd i simply couldn't do it. I HAD TO lose the addiction to sigar snd carbs. I HAD TO get out of insulin resistance and fasting did that. I am not these two me, but i may be in a few years. Only then would i consider dropping the fasting lifestyle and go easy in carbs.
There’s a Venn Diagram for Vegans and Carnivores,
although extreme sides, one can make a Venn diagram of how they’re similar:
1.) They know processed foods are bad for you ❌
2.) They think processed sugars are bad for you ❌
3.) Most beauty products sold in supermarkets are bad for you ❌
4.) They want to love long and healthy ❌
5.) Exercise, sleep and what you consume (mentally and food) has an affect on your overall wellness ✅
6.) Anything else where they relate? 🤔
Everything else can be up to philosophy 📌
Thomas lost some serious credibility with me recently. I still like him, and I don't mean to shit on him, but he didn't start as fat as a lot of us. If you look at his pictures from when he started, he was still muscular in a way many others are not. His gut was not as big as how he talks about his weight. I did keto four years ago and lost 50 or 60 pounds. I am not opposed to reintroducing carbs, for me it didn't work, the hunger came back, and I gained 70 pounds. I am down 20 back on Keto. My health can't risk these guys telling people just kidding you should reintroduce carbs. I don't even think you need to fast, but when Paul sits there and says the data on autophagy and murky and then says glucose triggers autophagy with absolutely no evidence is comical.
Agreed, also, if you have reasonable amount of muscle (waaay less than Tom), even 18 hour fasts can result in physiological insulin resistance (happened to me many times, despite eating all the pancakes with anything)
@@friebertbalazs6324 so I can relate to this…
I had done an 18 hour fast recently and did a 3 day fast a week or two ago…
I GAINED ❌ 4 pounds! 😯
Brilliant
Our ancestors did have carbohydrates..only in the form of vegetables, nuts an fruits..yet some still promote eliminating vegetables from the diet.
What we call “vegetables” have only existed for a couple thousand years. Kale, broccoli, cauliflower have only been around for 2000. The farthest back they go is like 10000 years, definitely very very far from being an ancestral food when humans have been thriving for millions of years without them
@@OkOk-vq4lq what was the life span of people back then?
@@RayValdezPhotography just start reading about different people from back then, you’ll easily see people living 70,80,90, etc. nowadays most people wouldn’t make it to 65 without modern medicinal intervention despite having clean drinking water and other modern amenities
@@OkOk-vq4lq read what from 10000BC? all i could find is that that people lived to their 30s.
@@RayValdezPhotography tough to say that far back. Probably is 30s or 40s on average cuz of infant mortality and harsh lifestyle. Are you implying we live longer because we invented vegetables? 🤨
Such a great informative interview ‼️
I appreciate this so much
17 months ago I went on healthy keto/intermittent fasting. Changed my life! I have 0zero problems. I also think I have reversed aging. I'm 56 and I know I'm in better shape than most 25 year olds because of my diet.
When I'm fasted, I feel the best.
I guess, I could try to spike my insulin, and stop fasting ,but since I feel so good now I don't know why I would.
I also don't think access to honey was a constant for us as far as an evolutionary standpoint. Once in a while thing, yes.
I’m thinking the honey thing he can get away with since he surfs for two hours daily but most of us don’t…. 🙃
Exactly, if you’re burning the carbs, then the carbs are okay. If I have a carb meal, I burn that off. I feel great. I carb cycle as well once or twice a month. Never demonize carbs. Demonize processed sugars, processed seed oils, highly processed food. Make your own food, know what’s in there. Drink some EVOO, take your magnesium, D3/K2 and B complex as a minimum.
Well this makes sense. I was zero carb carnivoree for a while and my weight loss stalled. I added some veg and fruit back in and I felt beter and weight loss started again. I occasionally eat high carb foods like dates but i will take 2 Gymnema Sylvestre befor i eat those. Gymnema Sylvestre is a sugar blocker but i don't think it actually stops the sugar completely, i think it just slows the absorption. The reason is it blocks the sugar receptors but it can only last so long. As long as the sugar is still in your intestines it can be absorbed at any point including in the colon before it comes out your backside. I used to have heart palpitaions if I ate too much pastries eg doughnuts but if I took 2 Gymenma before I wouldn't have heart palpitations but it should be noted that I also started taking digestive enzymes at the same time which probably also contributed. If you have heart palpitaions after consuming sugar or fat take the digestive enzymes. If you have or have had fatty liver you have also had fatty pancreas and your body is reacting to having tryglecerides and sugar not being broken down properly.
Good on him for being able to change his mind. Word.
I went to Europe three times and walked 8 to 10 miles a day. I ate like a mad man and didn’t gain weight. Then I came back home to my job where all I did was sit. And started gaining weight. I think that sitting all day is just as harmful as a high carb diet. Balance in life is the key. Empty calories like cereal and simple sugars should be avoided because of their lack of nutrients.
Get up and walk every 20-30 minutes. Go to the bathroom grab some water or instead of emailing or texting a coworker just walk over and talk etc. then walk 10 mins after every meal. You’ll get a good amount of steps in
There is nothing wrong with a high carb diet, its simple as calories in calories out. Like you mentioned, you worked out a lot and eat a lot. Theres balance there. Then you became less active but ate the same, you gained weight. Its simple as that. Nevertheless, foods do affect your hormones and your well being, but thats another topic.
@@markislivingdeliberately unfortunately I am working from home half the time. Not as much walking. I try to do your suggestion but time doesn’t always comply
@gtbigdog3507 Same here, back home I have to watch what I eat; otherwise, I gain weight quickly, but when I was in Italy this july, my diet was basically 2-3 gelatos a day, a few aperol spritz and pasta, and still lost 2 pounds! , i was walking 5-10miles daily
@@pouyaz8472 3 gelatos a day. You are a person after my own heart
Not wearing a good uv blocking sunglasses for prolonged sun exposure can cause Damage to the outer retinal layers. Can’t believe this guy went to Med School. I should know as I have treated retinal diseases for over 40 years as a Clinical Professor of Medicine, Surgery and Visual Sciences.
But Paul is an expert - his speciality is Psychology.
Ive been doing Keto and Carnivore the past few years pretty consistently. I will say adding organs was the biggest difference. I've slowly reincorporated green\onions, tomatoes, squash, and mushrooms. I feel like I've had no negative effects adding these back in for me personally. Still so much room to experiment and find what may even work better. Really surprised to hear about fasting. I've never felt negative effects taking a day or two of the month to pause consumption.
The key is “in a metabolically healthy individual!” 200 grams or more of carbohydrates per day…no way. In 39 years as a physician, the only time I’ve seen dramatic changes in Hemoglobin A1c has been on patients following a strict low carb diet.
I come from Slovakia, but I admire these two gentlemen, and I am very grateful for your information and work. 👍
My experience is that what he is saying for a person at normal body weight who is metabolically healthy is correct. My experience as a nonmetabolically healthy overweight person is that fasting and keto have been very helpful to me for getting started losing weight in a way I could stick with and just as importantly, readjusting my relationship with food. I think before I did real fasting regularly and keto over a longer term my relationship with food never really reset in any way and you kind of just take food for granted. Once you've fasted enough and restricted carbs enough, you APPRECIATE them again. You're happy to eat healthier foods you would've turned your nose up at before. I think keto and fasting are very useful tools if you're very overweight and need to lose a significant amount especially if you're the kind of person that needs to see regular progress to help keep you motivated until your relationship with food resets and healthier eating becomes more of a habit.
Right on. Becomes a lifestyle not a fad diet. That’s been my experience.
I’m a big fan of Paul Saladino.
I watched his video where he shared his bloodwork and his concern over his rising SHBG and lowest free T.
I’m experiencing the same issue currently.
He seemed to feel that the carnivore diet created some “hormonal signaling” that down regulated his free T by raising SHBG.
He felt….. The carnivore diet signals that WINTER IS COMING, and it’s lack of abundance. A way for nature to stop you from reproducing in a period of scarcity.
Adding back carbs/fruits changes this signaling and lowers SHBG and raises free T.
Seems like it worked for him. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with just letting this process happen seasonally.
When then local farmstands have run out of carbs. Stop eating them. And let your oxalates dump for next season.
When you look at his lifestyle, you realize why he was having issues. He is extremely active daily (surfs and exercises for hours) and when you're low body fat already, you need the additional energy coming in because you have nothing to draw from. The best way to do that is carbs because you can keep stuffing your face, whereas with fat and protein are self limiting due to being satiated. Meanwhile, the other 95+% of people will never require that massive amount of energy, so an overwhelming majority of people won't run into that issue and do just fine on keto/carnivore.
@@Ryshaad why doesnt he talk about this? Seems so obvious from the beginning. Thank you! If your low body fat already and you exercise you need some carbs. And even then they dont eat massive amounts just some.
I think he added boron which freed the binded testosterone from SHBG. Fruits are also high in boron.
@@teresaolofson8187He does.
I appreciate both of your input and opinions. It would be nice if experts would list/ provide links to the studies, data, etc that have formed their viewpoints of what proper nutrition/ diet is.
Great video and colab Thomas! I remember you featuring a grounding product in one of your videos but i cant remember the name of the brand. Can you point me in the right direction of products you use in the home for grounding? Thanks!!
1. carb's 2. insulin 3. fasting 4. grounding 5. sunglasses very interesting and thought provoking.
Paul is great! Love all of continual research
This reminds me of Tim Ferris 4-Hour Body "slow carb" diet, which is mostly very low carb, with a single carb re-feeding day per week - which is like the "signals of abundance" idea you mentioned.
Great discussion!
Ben Azadi's 'Keto Flex' book advocates something similar. 6 days of keto and fasting and one day where you up your carbohydrates (good carbs though) to like 150g for the day.
That’s interesting because after a week to ten days doing keto to ketovore, I get really sick, lose my appetite, lose energy, heart palpitations etc. All the “tricks” don’t help. Then I eat a higher healthy carb meal, not crazy high or anything, and feel better. Then I can continue on with keto. So this might be what my body needs.
Paul never did muscle meat only. The take-away from Paul is: Don't eat organs. People who only eat muscle meat do not experience the issues Paul did.
its so bad to see these guys preach something for a few years writing books and making videos and after few years they just realize they weren't right.. i mean, I tried everything, carnivore, keto, high carb, low carb, no veggies, veggies, and at the end of the day what just makes sense is to eat healthy, don't eat processed foods, don't eat carbs when your body doesn't need them and that's about it. Its just common sense of following your body. I love both of these guys, been following them for years, and when I just think about it, its pretty sad. Regarding Paul, there is so many smart doctors literally crushing apart what he says.
The man is so convincing that I also think sometimes he is right, but something is quite off in the high carb lifestyle... Because in ancient times most foods were not sugar spiking foods, and most things were actually keto friendly... And we are supposed to spike blood sugar with protein and maybe a few low carb fruits but with honey and modern breed fruit? I don't know...
I wonder if Bart Kay does reaction to this video
Science itself is always changing. There's no way to avoid that. It's life. The ones who cling to the old in the face of new evidence or experience hinder science from evolving.
I think it's important to do what's best for you. For me carnivore works best and also I've tried them all.
@@vanessac1965 Yes and no, low quality science always changes, because is low quality. But things that are not based on opinions and poorly done studies never change...
My issue with Saladino's opinion is that ancient humans just didn't have access to what he is eating today, let's say that you were able to get huge amounts of honey every day for the whole tribe (kinda weird and lucky to get it daily but ok let's follow the idea) then there is the problem with fruit, ancient fruit was not like we have today, the amount of sugar was a lot less, when I googled how an ancient banana looked, looked like a unripe plantain, same with all other fruits... I mean berries and low carb fruits could be ok and enough to signal your insulin if you can't get it with meat, which is also weird because meat definitely spikes blood sugar and therefore insulin, perhaps if you only eat red meat you could eventually get into issues but it is something I still want to double check monitoring my glucose, and even then, some white meats are quite prone to spike blood sugar. And there is the problem with organ meats, he was eating a lot of those, which is also a big no no in carnivore, given the high bioavailability of everything, maybe the sugar is causing oxidative damage and those vitamins are putting to use repairing it... And also, did he ever showed a mineral lab work to actually confirm that his levels were off?? I just learned that analysis can be done to see the balance over time using a hair. So yeah I have doubts about Saladino's approach and believe more to the pure carnivores and low carb people. As for Thomas, seems like a different case, he just puts a video out for every single study he finds and is completely nonsense, and you can see that he abandoned keto in favor of his social life... Not being able to eat carbs is quite annoying while being with people... Anyway, just my opinion.
The conversation is much appreciated. There's a lot of information on fasting as a healing mode. Read the books by Herbert M Shelton DC, John Tilden MD, Robert Jackson MD, Frank McCoy (the Fast Way To Health). There are many more. Yes a lot of these practitioners didn't have access to double blind studies but their work should not be dismissed out of hand.
Love the passion Paul brings to ever conversation
I don't. He is constantly changing his diet but will approach people and mock them on camera in public for different views to him
5:17 is a massive red flag.
He was ignoring research when he didn't like it and now is using to justify that he is correct TODAY.
Chances are he will cruise through fads slamming himself to keep that physique and kicking the crap out of his organs
FYI...these two fine men is what ALL our doctors should look like.
As a 67 year old, you are just realizing truths that have already been discovered. We need someway as a society to keep these truths as continual knowledge, a well of wisdom passed on to each person. This is the kind of information that doctors need to integrate at the beginning of their education. We set them up to be bad practitioners the way they are taught now.
As for insulin spikes, it's well documented that the body benefits from being exposed to some amount of stress. I believe the benefits of intermittent fasting was based around that concept. I started intermittent fasting around 13 years ago, long before I even knew that it was a thing. Initially, it caused me to experience periods throughout the day where I had a lot of mental clarity and felt very sharp in general.
That sensation would later become less frequent, and it's been several years since the last time I experienced it, despite still only eating a large meal once every day. It's a habit I have, not something I practice consciously. I suspect that the fasting is a large reason for why people typically assume that I'm in my early 20s despite turning 35 this year, but that's pure speculation. I also haven't been sick since back around the time that I was in junior high school, I think. That could also be the result of genes or other things, for all I know.
For people who want to trigger autophagy, I have no clue how to do so in the most effective way, but my guess would be to expose your body and mind to stress every once in a while. Fasting is possibly one of the ways to do so, but it seems to have diminishing returns, which makes sense - you can't quite call something stress if your body experiences it so frequently that you become comfortable with it. I think it's fair for Saldino to suggest that fasting isn't some benign intervention, but I think you'd have to be quite impressionable in order to assume that it was. I think it's great that he's found something that works better for him than what he did up until recently, but I'm a bit surprised by how he suddenly seems to be tearing it all down from top to bottom 😅
If you vary your fasting times I've heard that helps, otherwise your body adapts. Also adding more meals in a day. Basically just mix up your routine.
That mental clarity you experienced, came from stress hormones. That is not a good thing ser
You can spike your insulin just fine if you eat the majority of your daily protein in one sitting. Fructose not required.
@@brojoe4919 you didn't listen carefully. Tom asked this. Paul said the spike from protein does not compare. Update your world view ser
@@CK51515 I know it doesn't compare because huge insulin spikes are bad for you. Which is why everyone is so unhealthy.
My personal opinion is that if you are in this shape and have a decent level of fitness then you can experiment to find what is optimal for you, particularly if you are regularly working out, however if you are obese or just metabolically unhealthy then I think strict keto or carnivore is the way to go at least until you feel good and are in relatively good shape. Keto, carnivore and intermittent fasting are proven to help you get healthy but it might not be the ultimate long term solution. Use it as a tool, not necessarily a lifestyle.
Exactly right. These guys are metabolic idols and could likely eat anything given their age and level of physical activity, fat ratios, and musculature. Few people can or should make these kinds of adjustments and most of us would suffer severely if we did.
Excellent interview! I've been sleeping on earthing sheets and pillow case for more than a year and have a great improvement in sleep.
I love this talk! Oh my gosh, thank you for doing this! Love the enthusiasm, evolution of thinking and excitement of how energy is utilized! so encouraging!
Thanks for doing this interview. The dogmatic side of keto/carnivore has disowned Saladino, but I still follow him. I feel his work is genuine and honest, and I love seeing the new things he discovers as he chases his passion.
They become dogmatic because it’s become a religion to them.
Couldn’t agree with you more. They criticise vegans for being dogmatic then end up doing the same thing. For me, the fact that Saldino is in constant pursuit of what works best, regardless of what he felt before, is one of the main reasons I follow him.
@ryankittle3431, Precisely. He’s seen as a “heretic” and cults always excommunicate the heretics.
I'm full blown carnivore and here I am listening to what he has to say. Not all carnivores are cultish any more than all vegans or all "balanced" dieters.
@@theoutsidewithin9138 I don’t know any cultish balanced dieters, they tend to just do their own thing, and go about their lives.
Watching from South Africa! 🇿🇦
right off he addresses a major problem I had when I was on the carnivore diet: major cramping, inability to retain minerals. I had to eat massive amounts of salt but couldn't overcome unbelievable amounts of cramping.
Electrolites with carnivore are game changer. Otherwise you should eat organs like liver for minerals.
Carnivore isn't just eating a slab of meat (although for some it works out). I avoided any issues with carnivore just by eating a variety of meats, including things like like eggs (yolk is the most important, can skip the egg white if you like) and organ meats, both of which have amazing amount of nutrients. I suggest the fattier cuts of meat, not too much lean meat and the rarer the better for things that are safe to eat rare; you'll have a better time absorbing nutrients that way. Many people can do well just eating muscle meat everyday, but if you do notice you have issues, diversify and eat fish, seafood, and especially organ meats.
Wasn't Saladino a huge organ meat guy? Ever think his imbalance was nutrient overload and toxicity and his body trying to dump the overload from insane amounts of organ meat?
same here. I had horrible cramping at night. My whole leg would cramp up - awful. I was taking electrolytes too. Since adding in a few carbs (not a lot) - I've not had any cramping
I am so confused as what it means to be a healthy human now. But I do like to listen to both these guys and try to figure it out. Tremendous information and passion for the human health condition.
My take : eat whole foods and avoid processed food with chemicals. If its carbs, eat natural carbs like organic oats, brown basmati, wild fish, free range eggs, venison and even veggies like me. As long its not chemically modified. Health has become complicated and I agree with you.
He gave the main guideline in the video: eat like our ancestors. Our genes are wired to eat and live a certain way. For example, many of our ancestors ate mostly meat but would be overjoyed to have some honey every once in a while. Our ancestors also had zero access to the ultra processed junk on our store shelves today.
Buy frozen fruit and veggie and raw meat. Can't be sprayed and it's always fresh and unprocessed
I losten to all of the different diets. What seems to be consistent with all of them is to cut out refined sugar and processed food. That seems to be what they all agree on, so that is how I try to eat.
quit wasting your time. spending hours thinking about dumb stuff. life has better things to do. 😂
the point of low carb is for people that already are insulin resistant, and want to lose weight, I do believe that once you are healthy and fit, you should slowly reintroduce carbs and increase activity, you will have a resetted body and you can start fresh and maintain a balanced diet long term.
Great stuff! We all need to really to be open minded and listen that maybe its not all cut and dry...but maybe a lil grey. Dr. Saladino and Thomas are worth listening to...we really need to remain open minded that we are all still learning.
This had to be THE most interesting health video I've seen in years - the info in this is stuff I have spent a LOT of time thinking about and researching...this was pure WOW - thanks for sharing this !! I can't help but comment that it also seems like almost EVERY SINGLE thing the government "health experts" have told us for DECADES...is W R O N G !!!!!
If you want to follow earlier and now nomadic tribes, yes honey and fruits are celebrated, but not eaten often. I spent 3yrs in Central and South America and all throughout the Amazon we would gather fruits. They don't have a winter, but there is a wet and dry season. Toward the end of the wet season and shortly after, you can find bananas and berries everywhere, but for months of the dry season fruits don't bloom so they become very scarce.