Inscrutable Clues Haunt New Jersey Beach Disappearance | Mark Himebaugh Case Analysis

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  • @Panwere36
    @Panwere36 Рік тому +195

    *_I imagine the police also failed to locate a "Father of the Year" trophy._* The sublime way you gave that burn, Dr. Grande. So much respect for you for that.

    • @nonprogrediestregredi1711
      @nonprogrediestregredi1711 Рік тому +2

      *imagine*

    • @Panwere36
      @Panwere36 Рік тому +1

      @@nonprogrediestregredi1711 , thank you for correcting me. Always spell or grammar checking keeps one humble.

    • @nonprogrediestregredi1711
      @nonprogrediestregredi1711 Рік тому +1

      @@Panwere36 No worries. I would want to be corrected also. Have a good day.

    • @Panwere36
      @Panwere36 Рік тому

      @@nonprogrediestregredi1711 You as well.

    • @batmang9014
      @batmang9014 Рік тому +1

      SUBLIME!

  • @southphillylilly
    @southphillylilly Рік тому +167

    I lived in Philadelphia when this happened, and although I was only 12 years old, I remember being down the Jersey shore that very next summer, and then my child like mind, I was looking for Mark on the beach. How terrible that a child can disappear like that off the face of the Earth.

    • @charliechurch5004
      @charliechurch5004 Рік тому +10

      Bless ur heart u were keeping an eye out 😞

    • @106believer6
      @106believer6 Рік тому +8

      Aww ❤ yes I would have done the exact same. Bless your little heart. It's like you were thinking he was just lost and people that hurt kids don't exist. That's so sweet of you and heartbreaking at the same time. I remember having those same kinda thoughts in that mindset when kids went missing around our town. God love ya and poor little Mark..

    • @chrissy3735
      @chrissy3735 10 місяців тому +4

      I lived in Philly at the time too and now I’m literally 5-10 minutes from Marks house 😢

  • @elizabethhammstudent4850
    @elizabethhammstudent4850 Рік тому +153

    Poor child. I'm glad that you're bringing the case to light. I hope that his family gets answers. If someone hurt Mark, I hope that he gets justice. Thanks for another video.

  • @glendasully
    @glendasully Рік тому +59

    To me the artists sketch drawing looks almost identical to the creep that was caught & went to jail for abusing little boys

    • @keekeejenkins6162
      @keekeejenkins6162 Рік тому +6

      Yeah I don't understand how this isn't a pursued avenue (maybe I missed something in the video though)

    • @yayhandles
      @yayhandles Рік тому +4

      According to Google maps, mid-day travel time between Philly and Del Haven is less than 2 hours by car, and a station wagon was observed. I don't know how on earth someone could possibly overlook this. The receipt quite literally means nothing.

  • @sngray11
    @sngray11 Рік тому +65

    Mark’s mother has been fighting so hard all of these years to get justice for Mark and to receive the answers that she has so desperately been searching for all of these years. Ana Garcia had an interview with Maureen last year on the True Crime Daily podcast. I really hope that Mark’s case is finally solved sooner rather than later. 🙏🏼

    • @uanime1
      @uanime1 Рік тому +1

      How has Mark's mother been fighting to get justice? There isn't any evidence that can be tested, there aren't any suspects, and it's not even clear if he was abducted or accidentally died.

    • @charliechurch5004
      @charliechurch5004 Рік тому +3

      Is she still alive? 😞 poor woman

    • @jeanettecoleman-mz7ie
      @jeanettecoleman-mz7ie Рік тому

      ​@@uanime1accidently died!!!? 😂

    • @uanime1
      @uanime1 Рік тому +1

      @@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie
      The video specifically mentioned this as being possible.

    • @ArohaStill
      @ArohaStill 10 місяців тому +5

      ​@@uanime1she has been putting herself and her son's image out there for 33 years. It surely is not easy for her to continue to talk about it all of the time but for her son, she does it.

  • @LexieJay00
    @LexieJay00 Рік тому +83

    I’m a new viewer and I swear it’s taken me way too long to realize he’s roasting the hell outta people and places on purpose lol he’s so soft spoken I thought, no surely I’m just taking his words out of context 😂

    • @RipsGirl
      @RipsGirl Рік тому +20

      He's got a very dry sense of humour and keeps such a great straight face while delivering lol

    • @reneegardner2286
      @reneegardner2286 Рік тому +11

      oh yeah you're definitely new 😅

    • @abelis644
      @abelis644 Рік тому +12

      Dr. Grande is very funny, I love his humour.
      Welcome to this great channel!😊

    • @westcoastgaming4124
      @westcoastgaming4124 Рік тому +4

      Welcome to the comedy show 😭😭

    • @yankees29
      @yankees29 Рік тому +9

      He’s the king of deadpan

  • @LynnCooks
    @LynnCooks Рік тому +80

    I had just graduated from LCMR high school when this happened. My dad was with the Cape May County Sheriff's department at the time. This was huge and to this day in the area still kind of is. It's true, there isn't much to do in South Jersey after Labor Day. The area is very sparsely populated in the off season. This missing kid felt like everyone's kid at the time. Very sad. Most agree it had to have been the rare stranger kidnapping. For a parent to never have closure, that has to be pure agony. 💔 Thank you Dr. Grande for keeping this story circulating. And for making us Jersey natives smile with your little jabs at the state 😜

    • @MsAmique
      @MsAmique Рік тому +7

      Love that no one has forgotten Mark!

    • @sweetpea6843
      @sweetpea6843 Рік тому +4

      Was the security guard ever a suspect?

    • @thebeasters
      @thebeasters Рік тому

      It's wild being here for work. Mega mansions and such but very quiet. It's still good I enjoy nature and make my own adventures

  • @barbaragroves
    @barbaragroves Рік тому +160

    I am so glad you covered this, Dr. Grande. I was 16 when this happened right down the road from me. It's true, these small towns during the that time didn't have much to do so a fire would attract attention. My mom babysat Mark and his brother a few times because Mark's brother was in boy scouts with my brother. My dad was part of the search party for Mark. To this day, I still think Jody had a part to play in the whole thing for revenge on Maureen. We were always warned away from the marshes because of sinkholes, but I don't think that happened. I think the sneaker was planted on the beach on purpose.

    • @samb4697
      @samb4697 Рік тому +34

      I agree that Jody had a part to play, especially since he went to work the day Mark went missing. No Father can go to work the day his son goes missing; this alone should make him a suspect.

    • @yellowfolder
      @yellowfolder Рік тому +25

      @@samb4697 Surely Jody's behaviour shows that a father *can* go to work when their child is missing. Also, if Jody had something to do with it, don't you think they'd make some effort to at least pretend they cared? Some people respond oddly to stress and grief. The theory that Jody had something to do with it is probably the least likely.
      Personally, I think he was abducted by a sex offender who fantasised kidnapping and murdering boys, who was prosecuted for sex crimes against boys, and who highly resembled a stranger spotted in the area. All it would take to throw someone off your scent is rely on an erroneous or faked receipt.

    • @lostandfound5145
      @lostandfound5145 Рік тому +22

      @@yellowfolderit’s clearly implied that she meant a “caring father”. I know, “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but still, surely you knew the spirit of what was being communicated.
      I agree that it’s utter hubris to attempt to judge how a person is feeling based on a tiny bit of info about a person’s emotional reaction to something so traumatic.
      Still seemed like a crap dad, though.

    • @rmcar549
      @rmcar549 Рік тому +1

      That means we're right down the road from each other

    • @supernova11711
      @supernova11711 Рік тому +13

      @@lostandfound5145Some people try to keep busy when something really traumatic is going on in their lives to keep their mind off of it.
      Especially men are much better at compartmentalizing and hyper focusing on one thing. Their brains are different. Women think of a million things at once but men can distract themselves when they’re trying not to think about a certain thing.
      Still though, I could see him going back to work a week later or something but to not even want to aid in the efforts to find your own child seems extremely cold and uncaring.
      So yeah, I agree. Doesn’t mean he had a part in it but does seem to indicate what kind of a father he was.

  • @drdenniswaltersmithsr8874
    @drdenniswaltersmithsr8874 Рік тому +9

    I am Dr. Dennis Walter Smith Sr. I met Jody Himebaugh, Mark's father in 1994. I was inspired by his story and wrote "MISSING CHILDREN" initially for the Mark Himebaugh foundation. The song is now under review for the "Oscars Academy Award for 2024. I have never met Maureen - Mark's mother, but talked with her on the phone a few times in 1994-95. I disconnected myself from Jody Himebaugh in February of 1996 and have not spoken to Maureen in 28 years. I reached out to her on social media, but unable to connect. I pray for Mark's return daily and have been submerged in the fight for missing and exploited children for 29 years. I continue to pray for a miracle and am fighting, through song, to bring global awareness to missing children and child sex trafficking.

  • @Love-like-Lucy
    @Love-like-Lucy Рік тому +39

    My favorite, comedian psychologist! I need Dr. grande in my life!

  • @Jared_Wignall
    @Jared_Wignall Рік тому +52

    I’ve not heard about this case before, but it’s always unfortunate whenever anybody goes missing, especially a child. Thank you for the work you do Dr. Grande, take care!

  • @lorischeirer-tp9gw
    @lorischeirer-tp9gw Рік тому +30

    There was a boy who disappeared in a city where he lived. He walked down a street in the city in broad daylight and was never seen again. His name was Louis Mackerly. He was younger than this boy, but Allentown, PA is only 80-85 miles north of this area. Not sure of the year but was not too much time between them.

    • @samanthab1923
      @samanthab1923 Рік тому +3

      I’m in Bucks Co. don’t remember that case but I feel there was another case from Easton that they used a psychic on.

    • @dlc5166
      @dlc5166 Рік тому +16

      I just read Louis Mackerly's case - he went missing 1984 - eerily similar with a man/woman who called themselves Frank and Elizabeth - blue station wagon. He reported he was abused at a local park to a school counselor and the day of his disappearance ran scared into a sandwich shop saying a group of boys were chasing him. Just horrible to think what may have happened to this child and that he had made a report previous.

    • @samanthab1923
      @samanthab1923 Рік тому +4

      @@dlc5166 Wow, that’s terrible.

    • @lorischeirer-tp9gw
      @lorischeirer-tp9gw Рік тому

      @@samanthab1923 It was in 1984.

    • @lorischeirer-tp9gw
      @lorischeirer-tp9gw Рік тому +2

      @@samanthab1923 Yes that was a missing girl…she was found murdered later by ppl she knew. She was a young adult.

  • @LexieJay00
    @LexieJay00 Рік тому +100

    That guy that looked like the sketch gotta be the one. And being arrested for a crime similar to what might have happened to Mark?? Too coincidental imo

    • @yayhandles
      @yayhandles Рік тому +12

      According to Google maps, mid-day travel time between Philly and Del Haven is less than 2 hours by car, and a station wagon was observed. I don't know how on earth someone could possibly overlook this. The receipt quite literally means nothing.

  • @Noname-zx4xj
    @Noname-zx4xj Рік тому +53

    You are the hardest working UA-camr Dr. G. Your content is ready and fully analysed every single day. For most of us, our day doesn't complete without your videos. Thank you so much.
    Plus, I've never been this early.

    • @Dr.Pancho.Tortilla
      @Dr.Pancho.Tortilla Рік тому +1

      Posting UA-cam videos is not "hard work" at all
      Please don't exaggerate

    • @abelis644
      @abelis644 Рік тому +4

      ​@@Dr.Pancho.Tortilla
      You're not a doctor, or even a janitor at a hospital, please don't exaggerate.

    • @yayhandles
      @yayhandles Рік тому

      I'm pretty sure Simon "Fact Boy" Whistler probably takes the cake on the "hardest working" end, but that doesn't make Dr. Todd's efforts any less impressive.

  • @adam__mark
    @adam__mark Рік тому +7

    Grew up in South Jersey and Mark’s picture was all over the place! Grocery stores, bulletin boards, even milk cartons, I believe.. so many memories came back, just seeing his photo. May he rest in peace!

  • @betterbee1304
    @betterbee1304 Рік тому +13

    Oh boy, New Jersey is in the title. My home state is gonna get it today!! ❤ Thanks for the video Dr. Grande, I needed something to listen to on my lunch break.

    • @Robin-xt7yo
      @Robin-xt7yo Рік тому +9

      😅😅 Dr. Grande's digs at NJ are funny.

    • @LDiamondz
      @LDiamondz Рік тому +2

      If the crime wasn't so serious, I'm sure there would have been tons of jokes. 😅

    • @thebeasters
      @thebeasters Рік тому

      ​@@Robin-xt7yoIt makes for a boring state when you don't have mass shootings of children

  • @maureeningleston1501
    @maureeningleston1501 Рік тому +34

    I applaud you Dr Grande for always covering such a variety of interesting cases.

  • @z.startedafire
    @z.startedafire Рік тому +8

    every time I drive by Del Haven, i get really sad, and i hold my daughter's hand and we pray hoping his mother gets some answers. So sad, she never moved, or changed her number... I only live 15 minutes away. 🥺 the book still haunts me till this day

  • @Lucy-yf9eb
    @Lucy-yf9eb Рік тому +8

    Dear Dr Grande. I am a fan of yours from New Zealand. I would love for you to look at the case of Dr Laura Dickason, a doctor mum who murdered her 3 children and is on trial at the moment in New Zealand. There is huge divide here as to whether she is a poor innocent mum who wasn't given enough help or a cold blooded killer. Thank you

    • @careip
      @careip 3 місяці тому

      I just watched his analysis of that case b4 this one. Very sad.

  • @mardyneszelc9771
    @mardyneszelc9771 Рік тому +124

    I can't forget this case, living in South Jersey it was kinda unbelievable possible crimes like this didn't occur. Maureen his mother vowed never to sell the home, so Mark knew where to find her. Heartbreaking, dad sounds like a real winner. That man Thomas Butcavage absolutely looks too similar to the sketch. He is serving time for sexual assult on young boys. Coincidence?

    • @mykidsaresupercute
      @mykidsaresupercute Рік тому +27

      Yeah, it's all too much of a coincidence. The receipt could have come from anyone really. It's not a good alibi.

    • @chad3232132
      @chad3232132 Рік тому +11

      I'd say I generally agree with Dr. G's conclusions in the vast majority of cases he covers, but I think he's off base on this one. Butcavage killing Mark is absolutely the most likely scenario. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Definitely not, but I think he's the main suspect and it's at least 50/50 he did it.

    • @yayhandles
      @yayhandles Рік тому +6

      According to Google maps, mid-day travel time between Philly and Del Haven is less than 2 hours by car, and a station wagon was observed. I don't know how on earth someone could possibly overlook this. The receipt quite literally means nothing.

    • @jayhache5609
      @jayhache5609 Рік тому +3

      Exactly this. @@yayhandles

  • @CorinneCrow
    @CorinneCrow Рік тому +9

    I grew up in Ocean City, I’m a year younger than Mark. I don’t know how to even describe the bubble that existed for year round residents in that area. This was so scary our parents didn’t let us do anything alone for a long time after mark. His face is absolutely burned into my mind for the rest of my life.

  • @jdd3786
    @jdd3786 Рік тому +45

    I grew up in the 90s in South Jersey, and remember seeing his photo on the side of milk cartons every day for years. This was surreal to watch because that's all we knew about him.. that photo frozen in time.

    • @visualmoon2771
      @visualmoon2771 Рік тому +6

      Same

    • @LynnCooks
      @LynnCooks Рік тому +6

      Same. My dad was with the Cape May County sheriff's dept. This case was and still is such a big case in the area. :(

    • @strangelove0108
      @strangelove0108 Рік тому +1

      All over the parkway toll booths. It was posted everywhere.. lives on in my and my husband’s memories.

    • @jdd3786
      @jdd3786 Рік тому

      @@strangelove0108 Same here.

    • @MrRyan-wu4jx
      @MrRyan-wu4jx Рік тому +1

      Literally everywhere. Every restaurant and business in Wildwood/Cape May had his picture in the window in the mid 90s.

  • @dustin628
    @dustin628 Рік тому +16

    I think they should take a long hard look at the security guard. I've heard so many of these cases where it turned out to be the rent-a- cop.

    • @snowmiaow
      @snowmiaow 6 місяців тому

      Agree, that story was strange.

  • @christiangasior4244
    @christiangasior4244 Рік тому +72

    Dude, that sketch was dead on. That’s gotta be the guy. He was in Philly which is pretty damn close so it’s really not out of the realm of possibility. Not to mention he admitted he wanted to do something like this and then later got caught for crimes against boys. Surprised how easily that theory was dismissed by the Doc.

    • @martinkdoorstoperception.1913
      @martinkdoorstoperception.1913 Рік тому

      xactly that tape he had of the red haired kid, who was on that tape
      with the child was it someone high up then it disappears or dismissed
      this guy was a groomer they groom an get kids for others. think epstein
      Maxwell elite pedo rings.

    • @yayhandles
      @yayhandles Рік тому +3

      According to Google maps, mid-day travel time between Philly and Del Haven is less than 2 hours by car, and a station wagon was observed. I don't know how on earth someone could possibly overlook this. The receipt quite literally means nothing.

    • @vikramgupta2326
      @vikramgupta2326 Рік тому +5

      I know. I'm from South Jersey. Straight shot across the Walt Whitman Bridge, 42 south, head towards the shore. Its not like this guy was operating in South Dakota.

    • @melissaconover4528
      @melissaconover4528 Рік тому +3

      he had ties to the area as well due to somebody being in the singing quartet (relative) in cape may that marks father was in. Coincidence? Mark's father probably new the guy too.

    • @Tranquility32
      @Tranquility32 Рік тому +5

      @@vikramgupta2326Hi. I know, right? I’m in Jersey, and driving / commuting 1.5 hours for anything isn’t unusual for us. And boy that sketch sent chills up my spine!

  • @behrwillsonn3181
    @behrwillsonn3181 Рік тому +22

    The sneaker could have been planted by the abductor to create confusion or mislead the investigation.

  • @dlc5166
    @dlc5166 Рік тому +143

    My heart sunk when you flashed that picture of Thomas Butcavage up on the screen. I confronted a guy that looked exactly like him at Philadelphia Zoo probably 1994/1995 for taking/trying to take pictures of my 3 year old son. We were at the fountain area after getting a bite to eat and my son was playing and running around the fountain and I noticed this guy, all in black, with a professional type camera outfit across the way with the lens aimed at my son. I jumped up and put myself in front of the camera view to block him, walked over to confront him and asked him what the h*ll he was doing, you don't take pictures of someone's kid without permission. He said he was taking pics for the zoo and I was like, oh no, not without my permission you don't take pics of my kid. He just seemed like a real creep. Very bold. When you mentioned Philadelphia, I just thought OMG, was that who that was way back then. I remember the Mark Himebaugh case from 1991 - a lot of stuff started going on back around then or we were hearing more of it on the news.

    • @Dr.Pancho.Tortilla
      @Dr.Pancho.Tortilla Рік тому +26

      you're a very brave lady.
      May Allah protect you and your kids.

    • @holdencawffle626
      @holdencawffle626 Рік тому +10

      You sound paranoid

    • @dlc5166
      @dlc5166 Рік тому +58

      @@holdencawffle626 I might sound paranoid, but I've told the story of this day to many people over the years. When people accuse others of paranoia for being aware in a situation as the one I described, it's very undermining to their intelligence.

    • @dlc5166
      @dlc5166 Рік тому +16

      @@Dr.Pancho.Tortilla Thank you.

    • @Agrillot6
      @Agrillot6 Рік тому

      @@dlc5166don’t doubt yourself, our women’s/mother’s intuition was developed over a millennia to make us aware of dangerous men, and any man who seeks to give you doubts probably has ulterior motives.

  • @visitlucyland
    @visitlucyland Рік тому +64

    As someone who has lived close to that area (south Jersey shore) during the off season, like it was at the time Mark disappeared, you are completely correct that the whole town would be drawn to something like a fire. There is absolutely nothing happening in the off season in these towns. For that reason I think it's easy to understand why no one was paying attention to Mark. Very sad.

    • @Dodgeowner
      @Dodgeowner Рік тому +9

      I lived close to the area also. I was thinking the exact same.

    • @thebeasters
      @thebeasters Рік тому

      Yeah I'm in LBI and you could hear a pin drop right now

  • @azuresonic69
    @azuresonic69 Рік тому +30

    Dr. G! Comin' atcha with the driest humor and the greatest non-diagnosing but speculating analysis I've ever witnessed! Keep on keepin' on, Dr. G!

  • @DarlynSmith-ib5cm
    @DarlynSmith-ib5cm Рік тому +7

    As a mother of 2 sons with losing my youngest son 17 years ago. I feel the pain that mark's mother is going through. Thank you for your analysis of story mark's story. Mark and his mother are now in my prayers. You're most likely analysis is very sad to think that he was kidnapped and then in child porn is something no mother wants to ever hear. But I do have to agree with you in most analysis. Thank you again for spreading the word, stories like this need to be told. Than though they are very painful.

  • @candyorange266
    @candyorange266 Рік тому +14

    Did anyone investigate the guard? A person who was involved might make up a story about seeing the victim going off with someone.

  • @liliannaogrady1391
    @liliannaogrady1391 Рік тому +45

    The mention of an adult, in a car, possibly asking Mark a question such as what's going on or something similar got me thinking. Please don't pull over and ask kids questions, Moms and Dad's are teaching their children not to approach cars. It confuses kids on what to do. Even though, most of the time, people don't mean any harm, it only takes one bad person

    • @kymo6343
      @kymo6343 Рік тому +5

      it seems ttly sketch why anyone would even do that bc if you have a question about the area why would a kid know instead of an adult anyways?

    • @s.b.sieber2007
      @s.b.sieber2007 Рік тому +8

      Excellent point. I remember back in my younger days, stopping to ask a young boy of about eleven for directions in a neighbourhood I didn't know. I was with my friend who had shaggy black hair and we were driving a white van! That poor kid looked terrorized, (in spite of that he gave us good directions.) I still feel bad about that day. What were we thinking?

    • @melissaconover4528
      @melissaconover4528 Рік тому +2

      yes and also the guy was near the couple why didn't he ask them.

  • @rejaneoliveira5019
    @rejaneoliveira5019 Рік тому +20

    I have seen pictures of Mark in the grocery stores in New Jersey for years! What a sad case😢
    Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤

  • @twown
    @twown Рік тому +24

    As a New Jersey native, I'm preparing to watch this while bracing myself for an onslaught of Jersey insults.

    • @purpleslurple5149
      @purpleslurple5149 Рік тому +3

      I was surprised (disappointed? 🤔) in how few there ended up being 🤣

    • @NuNugirl
      @NuNugirl Рік тому +3

      Embrace the insults. It keeps more people away from moving to Jersey.

    • @thebeasters
      @thebeasters Рік тому +1

      I know it's literally awesome here and I'm a transplant

    • @MrRyan-wu4jx
      @MrRyan-wu4jx Рік тому

      @@thebeasters Jersey is awesome. Most people’s insults stem from some NYC suburbs being an industrial wasteland. But the rest is great.

    • @foffjerkholes4995
      @foffjerkholes4995 8 місяців тому

      I personally have driven through the Arm Pit of America (New Jersey for those that need a nudge) and was APPALLED at the seemingly endless amounts of toll booths on Interstate 95, that out numbered the total number of toll booths if you added every state combined on that route from South Florida to Rhode Island. However, most of my best friends from college came from NJ, so at least the people are great😅

  • @canine5700
    @canine5700 Рік тому +22

    The highlight of my night! I love your content:) Thank you for uploading so consistently!

  • @shaunl446
    @shaunl446 Рік тому +6

    I'm the same age as Mark and lived just a town south on the Delware Bay. Its crazy to think my parents still let me and my brother go anywhere we wanted despite this happening so close. I guess it was a different time or maybe my parents were just careless. Who knows.

  • @CousinAAE
    @CousinAAE Рік тому +1

    I like the deadpan comments, lightening the mood of this tragic story.

  • @Herculesdega
    @Herculesdega Рік тому +2

    You never cease to throw the shade on New Jersey but we love you bro 😅

  • @sharonwilfong503
    @sharonwilfong503 Рік тому +9

    I enjoy your unsolved crimes more than anything else. Even though you're only theorizing, it still gives a kind of closure, at least for me. Thanks for a great video.

  • @dineomokgosi411
    @dineomokgosi411 Рік тому +4

    It blows my mind how the police & Dr Grande continue to overlook this creep and the striking similarities in the sketch. Unbelievable!

  • @hannahrosa5485
    @hannahrosa5485 Рік тому +11

    kidnapped, i think. i was nearly kidnapped as a young teen by two people, a man and a woman who were asking directions to get to Toronto. paul bernardo and humalka come to mind.

  • @jeanholmes7976
    @jeanholmes7976 Рік тому +2

    Thank you Dr. Grande…..what a sad sad case. I wish the family peace, 💕from Jean.

  • @thelocalmaladroit8873
    @thelocalmaladroit8873 Рік тому +75

    Thank you, Dr Grande.
    If my kid disappeared like this I would lose my mind.

    • @AFBudgets
      @AFBudgets Рік тому +15

      I would fall down and never get up again 😢

    • @Dr.Pancho.Tortilla
      @Dr.Pancho.Tortilla Рік тому +2

      "Losing your mind" because of a kid?
      Please don't exaggerate

    • @carolnahigian9518
      @carolnahigian9518 Рік тому +8

      A mothers Worst night- Mare.

    • @abelis644
      @abelis644 Рік тому +5

      ​@@Dr.Pancho.Tortilla
      Not funny.
      Keep your day job at the grocery store.

    • @jayhache5609
      @jayhache5609 Рік тому +1

      Pancho reported for harrassment. Everyone else should do the same and have his account shut down.

  • @gabe-po9yi
    @gabe-po9yi Рік тому +17

    It looks to me like the attack probably occurred on the beach. I can picture an 11-year old boy, out on his own, with permission to go to an area near the seaside, to take advantage and go down to the beach. Mark was a slight boy and no match for an adult, and the shoe came off when he was snatched up. He might not have laced his shoe up very tightly because of the injured foot. I doubt he was taken out of the neighborhood, or even very far at all, and was disposed of in the marsh. It’s very sad and frightening how many opportunistic violent criminals are out amongst us.

    • @melissaconover4528
      @melissaconover4528 Рік тому +2

      that is what I was thinking too. maybe the shoe came off in the struggle

  • @zenawarrior7442
    @zenawarrior7442 Рік тому +3

    Sounds like he fell into the marsh area possibly. Missing cases are always difficult. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟

  • @Agrillot6
    @Agrillot6 Рік тому +10

    With the found shoe probably being loose on his foot due to his foot pain, and the traffic being rerouted I wonder if someone might have hit him with their car, knocked him out of his shoe and panicked and threw him in the car. I know it’s probably not all that likely we’ll ever know, but it just crossed my mind. Poor kid, poor mama.

    • @zivlekos
      @zivlekos 2 місяці тому

      I grew up down there and know the story well. Some things not mentioned are that his shoe was found later that night on the bay beach. Police actually saw footprints in the sand beyond the shoe revealing a bare foot and sneaker treaded foot that went on for some time. This suggested Mark was walking with one shoe on and one shoe off. No other foot prints or tire treads were near by his set of footprints. An emergency k9 dog followed his sent north to Roosevelt Blvd. where it's assumed he made it and where he was seen by some of the witnesses mentioned in this video.

  • @MsAmique
    @MsAmique Рік тому +2

    I live near Hammonton NJ. This happened when I was a teen. I think of him often. 😢💔

  • @michelerobinson702
    @michelerobinson702 Рік тому +7

    Mark was from my town and I’ve followed this case for sooooo long. I’d suggest you read the book “Where is Mark?”. Unfortunately I think you are missing some key points here…. His father is almost certainly involved…and so is Thomas

  • @barbiesergio7663
    @barbiesergio7663 Рік тому +33

    This would be my kids father if something like this happened esp my son. One more song, one more thing to do, gotta go here gotta go there, leaving mom w/ kids, having toys for himself. No one is as important as himself. If you could do a short about what type of narcissism would be categorized this way (his father's reactions) , I would so appreciate it. 😊

    • @aquatarkus2022
      @aquatarkus2022 Рік тому +8

      I can't believe he didn't address the father's non-response.

    • @barbiesergio7663
      @barbiesergio7663 Рік тому +5

      Yeah. I was hoping it would come up in the observations at the end. Perhaps he had a drug/ alcohol/gambling problem hinting or something with "exposed himself with various people" during the investigation.

    • @sds5502
      @sds5502 Рік тому +5

      Dad was a real piece of work. Just like my son's dad was and he is with a single mom who baby daddy is a real piece of work also. This girls sisters baby daddy has 3 kids, and spends most of his time in County Jail for child support. The up side is that these guys are better off in jail because then they have no contact with the kids. My son's father was a convicted felon for child abuse and endangerment with dealdy weapon. Those were only of the charges he acquired for the treatment of girlfriends boy. And in father's rights states these judges allow visitation without supervision. I fought that for years and got nowhere. I had to put in place my own rules when he wanted to see my son. It's so sad, how some individuals treat their kids. AND THE COURTS ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.

    • @reneegardner2286
      @reneegardner2286 Рік тому +2

      sounds like an overt narcissist compared to a sneaky covert narcissist, possibly malignant?

    • @didirobert3657
      @didirobert3657 Рік тому

      @@sds5502 That's horrific that he was still able to have access to your son unsupervised!

  • @FJH4th
    @FJH4th Рік тому +28

    His foot was injured on that side. He could’ve easily left his shoe untied, and he just came off without a struggle. Someone could’ve been using his credit card to create an alibi.

  • @TunaLam44
    @TunaLam44 Рік тому +5

    I love your channel and how you provide a scientific analysis

  • @libbyclement5148
    @libbyclement5148 Рік тому

    Thank you 🌼 It’s always heartbreaking when there is no closure for families but raising awareness let’s people know that he hasn’t been forgotten 🌼

  • @crismartin3137
    @crismartin3137 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for your as always thorough and interesting analysis of this case. As a detective with 30 ears experience in Policing I agree with your 3 hypotheses however my preferred one with the information you have provided would be that he came to harm in the marshes that said of course I would never close my mind to he other possibilities and hope that in the fullness of time his family can get the answers they need and deserve. Thanks again keep them coming.

  • @SusiRP
    @SusiRP Рік тому +13

    I'm from the lower Eastern Shore of Maryland n the marshes here are very similar to those in Delaware n South Jersey. There are peat bogs out there, n it's entirely possible for a person to fall into a hole in the marsh n simply disappear. I remember several cautionary tales as a child of this happening to local people. Victim of a peat bog would be my theory instead of an elaborate kidnapping.

    • @strangelove0108
      @strangelove0108 Рік тому +2

      I am local and well aware of this but it doesn’t explain the shoe..

  • @cathyhunnemeder3064
    @cathyhunnemeder3064 Рік тому +3

    Dr Grande I remember this case from the beginning as I lived in the neighboring town Rio Grande NJ. Yes it is a small rural area. Not too much for kids to do. The tide on the Delaware bay is semi diurnal perhaps footprints were covered up? The last name Maree is known in this area. Just my thoughts on this case

  • @sp8ng3r84
    @sp8ng3r84 Рік тому +1

    I was 7 years old at this time and I still remember getting driven home on the school bus when this occurred. There was a back up on the road due to the fire and the traffic re-routing. I think of Mark from time to time and the photo of him really takes me back to that day. Thanks for your analysis!

  • @SunsetGuitarist
    @SunsetGuitarist Рік тому +10

    😂 I always enjoy your new jersey jokes

    • @mandymari23
      @mandymari23 Рік тому +1

      I wonder if Dr grande has had an unpleasant visit to New Jersey? I've personally never been there and never really heard anything bad about New Jersey except for the Jersey shore TV show 😅

    • @detectivefiction3701
      @detectivefiction3701 Рік тому +2

      Some of my relatives are from New Jersey, so I've been there a lot. The stereotype about natives of the state is that they're kind of rude and talk very loudly in public. There is some truth to the stereotype.

    • @carolyearsley
      @carolyearsley Рік тому

      @@detectivefiction3701 More like blunt. I'll take that any day over sneaky passive aggressiveness.

  • @chillmurray7529
    @chillmurray7529 Рік тому +5

    Could the shoe have been brought to where it was found? To try and throw off the investigation?

  • @debbiec4530
    @debbiec4530 Рік тому +2

    New Jersey! Come on Doc- did you ever live there ever? You know I did!🤠💕

  • @mikeballard8404
    @mikeballard8404 Рік тому +1

    Another excellent analysation, I've don't remember hearing about this case but you had a lot of facts, thanks Doc.

  • @bunnymad5049
    @bunnymad5049 Рік тому +3

    This poor kid and his family. I'm so sorry. I pray the family will receive answers at some point - hopefully soon. I'm suss about the guard talking about the girl ... ???

  • @KatSpade1018
    @KatSpade1018 Рік тому +9

    Ok I have a few diff concerns...
    The guy by the station wagon... The sketch did look alot like him and just because he had a receipt for a purchase in Pennsylvania from that same night doesn't mean anything. I mean he's a pedo, he was standing outside of the station wagon at the side of the street, he spoke to a little boy that was walking by and alone. Mark goes missing.... He could have planned out to find a child that night and had an acquaintance in Pennsylvania send him that receipt for proof that he was out of state that night to give him an alibi. Plus, the guy that had relations with him sometime later says he showed him video proof of him doing bad things to a boy with red hair.
    So questions... The person that gave the description to the sketch artist... Did they ever show a real photo of that guy to the person that gave the description and ask hey is this the guy you saw?? The guy that saw the red headed boy in the video, did they show him a photo of Mark and ask if that was the little boy??
    The person that saw the man by the station wagon talk to Mark... Did they see if Mark continued down the street after the interaction and did the guy suddenly leave after Mark passed by. Why was he standing outside the car anyway and the woman sitting inside. To me it looks like he was gonna use his strength to grab a kid and throw him in the car while she sped away. It seems like to many coincidences with this guy.
    One more person ...
    The security guard. Is there any evidence of him being at his post the entire evening? Did anyone actually see him there between 3:30 when Mark left home and 5 when he was missing because the fact that he described what the little girl looked like that was walking with Mark and her jacket so specifically but no one came forward and said oh yeah that was my daughter. No one's daughter came forward and said I walked to the park with Mark the day he went missing. That sounds strange. He could have fabricated that story as red herring. He may have followed Mark and started talking to him and grabbed him. The fact nothing about this little girl even existing has been proven.... Sounds kinda sketchy.
    For me he is a person of interest in the story, however, I feel very strongly it's the guy from the real photo, with the long hair and glasses. I feel like he's the guy by the station wagon and he was specifically out hunting that evening along with his get away driver. That's all I got. Thx Dr. G! ❤
    What the hell was up tho about his dad exposing himself in an obscene way multiple times to people. Like, I don't think he had anything to do with it but what the hell is up with the people in that town....

    • @bethmorgan4676
      @bethmorgan4676 22 дні тому

      I need more information about the station wagon

  • @willsteele9249
    @willsteele9249 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @Bebecat477
    @Bebecat477 Рік тому +9

    I feel terrible for his mother. The not knowing. I feel he was probably abducted by someone unknown to him. I highly doubt he is still alive. The child cases crush me. Thanks Doc

  • @clicheguevara5282
    @clicheguevara5282 Рік тому +9

    I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on the serial killer/rapper King Von.
    There's a great documentary about him on UA-cam if you aren't familiar.

  • @thierrymarcellus9082
    @thierrymarcellus9082 Рік тому +1

    Great work!
    Waiting for your opinion on David Grusch, Dr. Grande.

  • @goldiesamarripa4824
    @goldiesamarripa4824 Рік тому

    Hi Dr. Grande, it's always a delight to catch your case studies on you tube. They are interesting and thorough. Your voice is so clear, concise and warm. I'm so grateful I can spend time with you each day. On a side note I like the pink shirt you wore a few days ago.

  • @sjeabee5345
    @sjeabee5345 Рік тому +1

    Im amazed i never heard if this case and ive watched allot of true crime. Me and Mark were born the same year. I hope the truth is uncovered. Thanks for covering. So sad.

  • @sophiaisabelle027
    @sophiaisabelle027 Рік тому +3

    We appreciate your analysis. Keep up the good work.

  • @azn1011
    @azn1011 Рік тому +32

    i know it's difficult, but i wonder how thoroughly the police searched the marshland

    • @barbaragroves
      @barbaragroves Рік тому +16

      They did. My father was part of the search party and they covered that area for days.

    • @azn1011
      @azn1011 Рік тому +1

      @@barbaragroves poor kid 😥

    • @MrRyan-wu4jx
      @MrRyan-wu4jx Рік тому

      Everybody looked everywhere for years. It can’t be overstated how publicized this disappearance was in Jersey Shore towns.

  • @HarmonyInspired
    @HarmonyInspired Рік тому +41

    Considering what we now know about child exploitation, I think it is quite possible they used a girl to lure him to the abductor. Nine is young, but possible, or could have been a teen girl who was small for her age. Or the guard could have been deliberately lying to cover his own involvement, but I think this is a lower possibility.

    • @anthonyjames713
      @anthonyjames713 Рік тому +2

      I don't think there was a girl. No one else saw her.

    • @melissaconover4528
      @melissaconover4528 Рік тому

      I often wondered if the was infact Mark with a girl at the park and maybe the girl was not a girl but a boy with long hair.

    • @didirobert3657
      @didirobert3657 Рік тому

      I believe that's just what happened! That little girl was used as a lure!

  • @jenanne31
    @jenanne31 Рік тому +2

    Yay! Another terrific Dr. Grande video!

  • @jeffforcella2786
    @jeffforcella2786 2 місяці тому

    I’ve always been fascinated by this case. I remember driving to Florida and seeing this poster in the rest stops on the way south. I don’t live far from where this happened and think about it often. I wish there was a way I could help.

  • @MaryRasmussen-b6u
    @MaryRasmussen-b6u Рік тому +1

    A very interesting story ...Dr Grande..a great topic I say........a difficult one to solve & Such a sad one. I feel sorry for the boy and rest of the family too. Good luck!

  • @spazmonkey3815
    @spazmonkey3815 8 місяців тому +1

    Your New Jersey lines in many of your videos crack me up.
    BTW I live in New jersey.

    • @spazmonkey3815
      @spazmonkey3815 8 місяців тому

      Once his body is missing for a year in the marshes, the next growing season the marshes would swallow him up and he'd never be found.

  • @richardpaulcaird9192
    @richardpaulcaird9192 Рік тому +1

    Great review if this sad case...👍🏻👌🏻😄 Thanks Dr Grande, your the greatest👏🏻🎇🎆 Please, please, please could you kindly do a video on the creepy & sinister case of the dissapearance of Martin Allan. This boy also went missing but on the London tube (metro) back in 1979 🚇Ⓜ️🇬🇧☔ It seems people have forgotten about this unsettling case & I'd personally love to hear your thoughts & ideas on his uncanny dissapearance 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😊

  • @Stichting_NoFa-p
    @Stichting_NoFa-p Рік тому +4

    Can you analyze the ufo whistleblower situation?

  • @katim2644
    @katim2644 Рік тому +34

    I think the girl, if there were one, was part of the snatch-scheme. Hooker's wife was an essential part of Collen Stand's kidnapping. the sneaker could have been placed anywhere by a kidnapper so its location is irrelevant. I find the sketch looking like a child predator who could have been in the area very compelling.

    • @adriel7229
      @adriel7229 Рік тому +7

      Philadelphia was only an hour and a half away. He easily could have been in both locations that day. In fact I would expect it.

    • @yayhandles
      @yayhandles Рік тому +2

      Scrolling through the comments section, I am genuinely surprised it took so long to find someone making this connection. Adults using children to gain the trust of other children, for one reason or another, is certainly not unheard of; there are accounts of abduction attempts using this very method, if not also confirmed instances of it that I am simply unaware of. According to Google maps, mid-day travel time between Philly and Del Haven is less than 2 hours by car, and a station wagon was observed. I don't know how on earth someone could possibly overlook this. The receipt quite literally means nothing.
      I believe that the guy asked if Mark would escort his "daughter" to the playground or somewhere to have fun, etc. The girl, as per the "script", suggested/requested they go somewhere isolated/away from adults/"to the woods", while the adults trailed and waited for the right moment.

    • @adriel7229
      @adriel7229 Рік тому +1

      @@yayhandles I was a truck driver for 15 years. Any time I went to south Jersey I went through Philadelphia. Unless the kidnapper lived in Jersey or up the east coast (so, if he came from literally anywhere else in the US) he would have passed through Philly on his way in and out.

    • @melissaconover4528
      @melissaconover4528 Рік тому

      I think the girl could of possibly been a boy with long hair. The witness was far from them and the coat they described the "girl" was wearing sounds more like a boy's coat.

  • @manewland1
    @manewland1 Рік тому +1

    A sad (and interesting) case, and not too many digs at New Jersey this time (appropriate, given the subject matter). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande.

  • @msr305
    @msr305 10 місяців тому +1

    in evaluating theoriees of crime, deductions are made based on the facts - and how these details are presented. I appreciate your weighed analysis. I feel so sorry for that child.
    It sticks in my craw how a guy 90 minutes away -who is a SO of boys, and who looked like the sketch can't be absolutely ruled out.

  • @Flamsterette
    @Flamsterette Рік тому +4

    Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! I've never heard of this case. I look forward to your analysis.

  • @elizabethwarman9028
    @elizabethwarman9028 Рік тому +1

    Good evening Dr Grande, excellent analysis. Very interesting case. I agree that most likely this was a stranger abduction. As always I learn something new from your videos.
    Have a great Tuesday.

  • @We_Are_All_Vultures
    @We_Are_All_Vultures Рік тому +6

    Im sure the father thought he was afflicted with a terrible son, when the fact is he was a terrible father.

  • @brockwillis1979
    @brockwillis1979 Рік тому +1

    Dr. Grande, thank you for a great video! Would you be able to do the story of Don Decker: The Rain Man?

  • @dfailsthemost
    @dfailsthemost Рік тому +6

    Couldn't the dogs have tracked the shoe scent in reverse chronological order? Meaning, couldn't Mark have traveled from that direction and removed the shoe when he got to where it was found?

    • @groominator-magneticequato7195
      @groominator-magneticequato7195 11 місяців тому

      Thought the same. There would have been a scent in, and out.
      if I wanted to throw off the scent of dogs or cops, taking an article of clothing and planting it seems like a common move. Wish they’d said more about that .

  • @relax2dream164
    @relax2dream164 Рік тому +3

    No theories, just a heartfelt sadness that this beautiful lively boy is gone, just disappeared. His poor Mom. 😥❤️🇨🇦

  • @enfenfenf
    @enfenfenf Рік тому +1

    As a guy from New Jersey I cam confirm it is a state worth escaping from. On a more serious note, I grew up next to a lot of marshes as well. And I almost died sinking into the marsh as a little boy. Him going into the marsh and not coming back is very plausible.

  • @dissidentfairy4264
    @dissidentfairy4264 Рік тому +40

    It's possible the guard created an elaborate description of the girl because he was over-compensating for his own involvement in the crime. It's a sad case. I feel he was taken by a predator. His father's care less attitude at the time of his abduction was pathetic. Business as usual. 🧚‍♀

    • @malumusera
      @malumusera Рік тому +6

      The minute he mentioned the guard my thoughts were the same as yours. Sounds very suspicious.

    • @dissidentfairy4264
      @dissidentfairy4264 Рік тому +5

      @@malumusera A liar usually over explains which is why I feel the guard may have done the same because he may have been trying to cover up his own crime.

    • @malumusera
      @malumusera Рік тому +1

      @@dissidentfairy4264 I know

    • @jamesbowman6925
      @jamesbowman6925 Рік тому +3

      @@malumusera And this kind of thinking is why people don't want to come forward as witnesses.

    • @jamesbowman6925
      @jamesbowman6925 Рік тому

      And this kind of thinking is why people don't want to come forward as witnesses.

  • @jsa8368
    @jsa8368 Рік тому +2

    Being from NJ I laugh every time you crack jokes

  • @kimberlygabaldon3260
    @kimberlygabaldon3260 Рік тому +42

    Thank you, Dr. Grande. I wonder; if the fire was caused by arson, maybe the arsonist had planned all along, (knowing that a fire would draw a crowd), to grab some kid during the chaos. Wouldn't most arsonists be pretty sociopathic or psychopathic, anyway?

  • @chevystuffs5971
    @chevystuffs5971 Рік тому +2

    Ughh. Mark's Brother was my classmate. This was such a big deal back then. I was a latch key kid as many others were. Everyone was terrified.

  • @davidmenke7552
    @davidmenke7552 Рік тому +13

    Dr. Grande- please do an analysis of why I am so SAD now that Pee Wee Herman is dead :( Thank you.

    • @michellejohnsen912
      @michellejohnsen912 Рік тому +1

      Oh, me too. He had cancer and was 70 years old. He lived a good long life.

  • @TheLurker1647
    @TheLurker1647 Рік тому +32

    Hold up...the police say, "hey can we sit down and talk with you" and the suspect says, "sure, just FYI, I really would like to kidnap and murder a 12-year old ginger lad. I didn't in this case, but I just want to be up front with you guys, I sure do fantasize about it." WTF.

    • @augustek5382
      @augustek5382 Рік тому +9

      yep, he was lazy on this video. Everything was all over the place in this video. The suspect's sketch was just too good and then the Grande says it is unlikely he was involved. Hm... If the boy went missing into the woods how would the police dog lose the tracks/scent of the boy?? Seems like the dog lost the scent due to abduction... Or was it hailing that evening or what?

    • @TheQueensWish
      @TheQueensWish Рік тому +13

      I think Thomas admitted this so called “murder fantasy” as a way to have plausible deniability if the police polygraphed him and he failed questions about whether he hurt Mark. This was probably his only idea of what to tell them since he didn’t know what evidence the Police had and might confront him with. By all accounts he hurt many people.

  • @vickinoeske1154
    @vickinoeske1154 Рік тому +1

    Very sad, and so hard on loved ones who never have an answer on what happened to their child.

  • @marissasimas9258
    @marissasimas9258 Рік тому +3

    Ana Garcia on True Crime Daily did a podcast episode with Mark’s mother. Very sad.

  • @barbieblue3336
    @barbieblue3336 Рік тому +2

    1:18 pretty much everyone in SOUTH JERSEY 😪😪😪
    This story was just in PEOPLE magazine. Does anyone still read that? Outside of my dentist's office? 🤔

    • @LDiamondz
      @LDiamondz Рік тому +1

      No, but it was on People Magazine Investigates a week ago, on ID Channel. Much more detail was in it. Mark's mom still lives in the same house. It was sad.

  • @mrs.reluctant4095
    @mrs.reluctant4095 Рік тому

    Great topic and nice humor. Enjoyed this video very much.

  • @ellenbremner9100
    @ellenbremner9100 Рік тому

    Love your videos and your professional insights!

  • @david-dj8or
    @david-dj8or Рік тому +19

    You say it is uncommon for a male and female team to abduct a child. I have read of a number of cases. Jaycee Dugard being the most known. Elizabeth Smart was also held by a male and female. In Australia there were also cases.

    • @Throatzillaaa
      @Throatzillaaa Рік тому +5

      Dr. Grande isn't saying it never happens; he's even done videos on several cases involving a male and female working together to abduct children. He's just speaking about the likelihood when comparing statistics. I know it can feel natural to think, "It can't be that uncommon because I can name 8 cases that involve a man and woman team kidnapping children." But statistically, when looking at the number of child abductors as a whole, it is uncommon. Most child abductors are men working alone, but that isn't to say that there aren't outliers. In fact, the uncommon and more upsetting nature is probably the very reason that you and many others can recall these sorts of cases more easily than other cases of child abduction. The media tends to spend more time reporting on them because of how unusual they are. And for that same reason, these cases are probably more likely to be discussed in podcasts and just remembered overall by individuals.

    • @david-dj8or
      @david-dj8or Рік тому

      @@Throatzillaaa You make a good point that being unusual would attract media interest and as such make it seem more common. I had not seen any videos on this channel about a team of male and female abductors. One of the most cruel cases was when a man and woman in Australia abducted and murdered Sian Kingi. I tend to watch these type of videos after a case in Australia (Karmein Chan) The media and police called on the public to nominate a suspect and a huge witch hunt took off. 27'000 men were named (including myself) Of these 73 were charged with an offence (not connected to the case) 73 in 27'000 works out to 1 man charged per 370 men named.

    • @JinJinDoe
      @JinJinDoe Рік тому +1

      If you have watched 'The Serpent' - also worked as a pair, using the woman mostly to create a false sense of safety.

  • @christopherdelgaudio9484
    @christopherdelgaudio9484 Рік тому +1

    Doc how dare u talk about the garden state in that way!LOL!!

  • @agostinodublino1387
    @agostinodublino1387 Рік тому +4

    can someone remember the name of that young men (psychological impaired in some way) that was around with his mom, she need the public bathroom but as she came out he wasn't there, and he disappeared forever? Has Dr Grande already analized it? It was a so odd case that there was some degree of suspect about the mother.